Jerry Rice, Russ Wilson MVP + Guys on Chicks

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On today's Pardon My Take, the GOAT, Jerry Rice, in studio. Awesome conversation with him.
We also have some Monday Night Football, one of the best Monday Night Football games of the season.

Hot seat,

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Use code BARSTOOL. You get $10 off.'re sorry ten dollars for free and ten dollars to aspca that's using code barstool today is wednesday november 13th the 49ers have lost pop those champagne bottles mercury morris i feel like we don't even do that anymore now that boomer's not on every single night i haven't heard from mercury and and he's usually reliable as a clock like this is when mercury shows up to get his one week of shine every single year i'm actually disappointed what would he have done if there was a tie i don't know chugged a room temperature natty light i was hoping we were gonna get a tie we're getting close to a tie on monday night it was a great game though um russell wil, the MVP now, forefront of the MVP race,

even though he threw that interception in overtime that people were just forgetting and also played hot potato with the ball and gave it to his lineman in the worst.

That was so bad how he just sold out his lineman,

just handing him the ball to let it get stripped.

Did he hand it to him, or was he getting stripped,

and then it just bounced directly into his hands?

I think he gave it to him.

I was like, here, you take this. I mean, the biggest story of the night I thought was Jadavion Clowney.
Clowney was lighting people up. Shannon Sharp, Jadavion Clowney.
Yes. If you're looking for a new nickname for him.
So much so that Deshaun Watson was tweeting about how much he loved him. And misses him.
Yes, and misses him. But, yeah, no, you're right.
Jadavionadevan clowny that was like his coming out game as a seahawk and it was a fantastic game it feels like the nfc west is going to be a race they play one more time in seattle it's going to be a fun race down the stretch i think you walked away from that game having questions about the 49ers offense not the i mean they can run on anyone the jimmy garoppolo like big moments that end of the game he was just looking to throw an interception to someone all the fourth quarter all of overtime he was i think they had what like two interceptions that were dropped yep a couple other balls that maybe could have been intercepted they were missing george kittle though yeah greg kittle was not in there they kept on showing him yeah going crazy in the uh in the in the uh box so that is a big loss because he's probably the best tight end in the nfl but this was like the game that that the 49ers are undefeated everyone's wondering if they're for real and they are but they they have actually a pretty tough schedule going down the stretch well the entire nfc west does so not only the niners the seahawks do and the rams yeah they all play like a shitload of really really good teams so my biggest question the other big question coming out of it are we mad at joe tessitore for being mean to a kicker was the moment too big for joe tessitore it was too big he said so mclaughlin i think i'm saying his name correctly shane shane uh it's actually chase but he's basically a shane somehow the 49ers treated this but somehow the 49ers have two kickers better than the Bears kickers one being an ex-Bear and the other being an Illini but I digress and so he makes a huge kick to take them into overtime like a 50 yarder then he misses the one to win in overtime and Joe Tessitore goes the moment was too big for him after the moment had just been perfectly fine it's just kickers miss and so people got mad at Joe Tessitore I actually think I'm down with Joe Tessitore saying that because it was so dramatic being like the moment is too big it's like it's a Monday night game and both these teams are probably going to the playoffs yeah they'll be fine in the. The Seahawks are very, very good.
The Niners are also very, very good. I thought that in overtime, Kyle Shanahan's play calling was very interesting.
So the Niners get the ball back after that interception. They had an opportunity to – I mean, they could have knelt it out and walked away with a tie.
That would be very easy. But they threw the ball three straight times, I believe.
Clock stops. stops seahawks get the ball back seahawks come back and win the game this is actually a battle of the two coaches that have lost super bowls because they passed when they should have run right and it almost happened to both of them right p carroll called that play got an interception kyle shanahan called a bunch of pass plays when he could have run the clock out yeah and then ended up losing so which team has learned less which coach has learned less from their defeat at the hands of the Patriots how about Russell Wilson saying it was the craziest game he's ever played in yeah that's kind of weird the Seahawks just play in these weird games but he's played in Super Bowls he I mean he the the Oregon Rose Bowl that he played in was the most points ever in the first quarter in a Rose Bowl it was insane like he's played in some crazy games I'm not saying that this is the Rose Bowl or I'm not saying this the Rose Bowl was bigger than this but he has played in a lot of crazy games so that's kind of a weird thing for him to say but uh yeah he's Russell Wilson I think I said this a couple weeks ago but he is for my money the number one guy.
And I know it kind of spits in the face of the fact that he threw an interception. He is the one guy who I would want, trust the most with the ball down late in the fourth quarter.
It was a good interception, though. So it pinned him deep, in theory, if they had made the tackle.
Yeah, it would have been a great arm punch. I agree, yeah.
I mean, even when he makes a bad throw, it was the right throw to make at the time it was only his second interception all year his guy was open on it he threw an interception that happens from time to time russell wilson is fucking ridiculous and i would be terrified to be rooting against him at the end of the game running passing whatever it is he is the guy who can make the most happen late in the game and it just feels like i don't know what is, but there's certain levels that athletes get to where when the Seahawks are in third and long or fourth and long, I'm just like, yeah, they'll get it. When they're in third and short, I'm like, Russell Wilson will probably throw a 50-yard touchdown here just to fuck everyone up.
I just expect that. I thought Pete Carroll was going to go for it when it was fourth and two at midfield and overtime on their to be a tough shot.
Yeah. And instead, they punted the ball away.
I love Monday night football. I love overtimes.
Uh-oh. What are you going to say? But I hate how overtimes make you just continue snacking.
So if you're sitting down watching the game, you have your buffalo wings, you have your pizza or whatever. As the game goes longer, it goes to overtime.
You do buffalo wings and pizza on a Monday night? I'm saying in theory if you were to do this. I was going to say that's an aggressive Monday night.
I had two popsicles and then I had – but the bottom line is overtime starts. You have to go to another snack.
You have to bring out your overtime chips, your overtime guac. I brought out my overtime – it was like jalapeno crackers or whatever they were.
It makes you snack more and you have to open another beer during overtime. And overtime beers.
You were drinking beers last night too? Sounds terrible. I had a beer, but overtime beers, they make your hangover.
It's like a force multiplier. An overtime beer makes your hangover the next day 1.5 times worse than a beer drink in regulation.
Snacks and beer are bad. I'm more confused.
Yeah, when it's really late. I'm more confused that you're Monday night.
Like, Monday night is for watching football and cleaning up your life. Not drinking, not eating.
What planet are you for? Yeah. Monday night football is the night you get your act together? You're sitting at home watching Monday night football with beers and wings? That's the cleanup game.
Brother, that's a Tuesday. Thursday is the go crazy game.
Like, food, beer, whatever you want. Saturday is also go crazy.

Sunday is just go crazy eating.

Monday is clean up your whole life.

Incorrect.

Monday night is ease yourself back into the work week.

Taper off from your Sunday and your Saturday of drinking.

How many beers does it have?

I think it depends on the quality of the game that's on.

Like, last night was a situation where it's like an easier way into the week.

You're doing that for, like, Steelers.

Yeah.

You have to drink more for Dolphin Steelers. Is that what you're saying no like how many Dolphins Steelers I would agree with that oblows whatever no see I the reason why I love Monday Night Football is it's the it's when it's like there's one sole game and you're like no distraction just sit and be with football and like say goodbye to football for three days I look at the schedule the opposite of Hank if I see a game that's like like the Steelers and the Jets or the Dolphins and the Jets on Monday night, I'm like, how many beers would that take? Probably like seven.
It would take seven for me to get into that one. We need a PMT poll.
How many people are drinking at home on a Monday night? I don't think it's... I feel like it's the sobriety game.
It's the time to clean up your life. If your team's not playing...
Guess the line's not playing as long as your team's not playing if your team's playing then it's all bets are off I'm not saying I get drunk every Monday night football game I'm saying that I'll have a couple beers a couple cold ones I would say 45 and then it in overtime it's like midnight and you're still drinking we just went over that's what I'm saying when overtime hits it's midnight this seems like a personal problem you're so excited you got to pop another beer to get ready for over it's one overtime beer that's i think that's the general standard this one almost went the whole overtime i think it did yeah it was almost a tie it was very very close to being a tie uh i had another thing flagged here robert sala the defensive coordinator a lot of face time of the 49ers he's going to be a head coach not because he's necessarily great at defensive coordinating but because he has a holdback guy and anytime your defensive coordinator has a holdback guy you look at that and you say he will be a head coach one day yeah and he's got when you start getting the face time when they start showing the coordinators instead of the head coaches that guy is ready to go and i would i would argue that the name Salah, because of Mo Salah, a little talking soccer, has never been higher. That's true.
So you just kind of associate that with winning right now. I agree.
Who's Steve Belichick's holdback guy? Does he have one yet? Probably Bielema. Well, Bielema just naturally boxes people out.
He holds the entire sideline back. Yeah, he's constantly boxing people out without even trying to.

Did you see what Matthew McConaughey, noted football analyst, said after the game?

No, but tell me.

He said, you give Pete Carroll a glass of water, he turns it into a lake and goes skiing on it.

Whoa.

Damn.

Is that a high thought for McConaughey?

Or is that just... Is there anything else?

Being Matthew McConaughey is a drug in itself.

Yes, absolutely.

It's just like it makes you want to compare whatever it is you're watching to an outdoor shirtless activity. His brain is just high all the time.
It makes everyone else contact. I actually had a friend who was at the game, and he sent me a picture of back of a head, but it kind of looked like Pete Carroll's twin.
Okay. Yeah, so we're still on the case.
So the plot thickens. It was the back of someone's head that looked very much like the back of Pete Carroll's head.

We found a guy that if you were having sex with doggy style, you could convince yourself that you were engaging in coitus with Pete Carroll.

Reverse cowgirl Pete Carroll.

That's who it was.

Okay.

All right.

Should we do hot seat, cool throne?

Hank, you want to start?

Sure.

My hot seat is shorts.

Okay.

It's getting cold.

It was the first snowfall today.

Son of a bitch.

It's just the miserable part of the year.

So, you know, shorts are kind of on the hot seat.

Put them away for the spring, summer.

Except for fat guys.

Fat guys always wear shorts.

That's aggressive, though.

I don't.

But that's if you are a fat guy, you can get away with shorts because everyone just looks at you like,

what?

What's going on?

But it makes sense.

For some reason, like way back when, fat guys just decided, hey, we're going to wear shorts in the winter.

It's a cruel trick that nature plays on us that right after Squattober's over, you can't show off your gains.

It also means, though, that Christmas is coming.

We have new Christmas sweaters on sale.

20% off only today only.

Mm-hmm. After Squattober's over, you can't show off your gains.
It also means, though, that Christmas is coming. We have new Christmas sweaters on sale.
20% off only, today only. Get your merch.
We have like five new designs, some great stuff. We should make shorts.
We should make part of my take shorts. I've been saying for the last four years that those cheerleader shorts that have the writing across the back, the Sophie shorts or whatever they're called, Those are coming back eventually.
So we're doing that just as PMT across the ass. Those in Umbrose are maybe with a built in poop stain.
Like it's just already there. Oh, yeah.
So you're just like, hey, you don't have to worry about it. I want up.
You part of it will only sell them in brown. That way the entire thing is.
My cool throne is gender reveals. Okay.
Oh, I saw that video. I was thinking maybe it was on the hot seat there was also a news story last week with that a plane crash happened because of a gender reveal i don't know exactly how normal correlated but it was like plane crash resulted was a result of a gender reveal gone wrong there was the girl farting today did you see that one pft yeah i saw that was the uh the dust coming out of People running through brick walls.
And so the girl farting, it's got the people being like, oh, like gender reveals have gone too far. But that's really when the heat starts and people are going to pick it up even more.
Well, I mean, yeah, a plane crashed. Maybe.
Is that one? The story you're talking about? Yeah, but I'm saying some some celebrities and stuff are like being like, oh, I remember my day. Like back in the day, you Phil Mickelson said he's like, you just sent an email being like, it's a boy.
Back back in his day you sent an email and Phil's day no way the early 90s yeah he's his email's been tracked by the FBI yeah he's in a wire in my day we used to send a coded wire to our stock agent in my day when Bill when Billy Walters Walters Billy Walters yeah I think that's his name Billy Billy Walters. The guy who was in jail because of the gambling guy.
Oh, because of Phil? Yeah. He probably.
What's it called, though? Like the Martha Stewart syndrome? Insider trading? No. Like when they're talking about it so much, trying to get it to stop, that it's just going to make it happen.
Oh, the Streisand effect. Yeah, Streisand effect.
Exactly. The gender reveals.
I have a theory that we're going to reach a point in society in probably 15 years where this whole wave of gender reveals is going to come back to bite everyone in the ass. Because all you see, the Gordon Hayward is a perfect example.
All you see is like dads being like, shit, it's a girl. and then when these like you know women or even men if it's a reverse if the mom's crying because

it's a girl. And then when these women, or even men, if it's a reverse, if the mom's crying because it's a boy, they grow up and they have the ability to go online and they see their video and they're like, oh, so you didn't want me.
Yeah. You wanted me something else.
Once cameos start to come into trend with this, that's what they did. They probably hired Harrison Ford to fly that plane for their gender reveal to get what you pay for he hasn't crashed a plane in a while it's been yeah he's over he's like the uh yellowstone super volcano he's overdue to dive on i just feel like there's going to be a time in the in history here where people start finding their parents doing their stupid gender reveals and they realize like how much all this sucks so it's happening i also have a theory about but they're not stopping no what no no it's that no it's you you're exactly right it's gonna go because people have to one-up each other i mean when a when a person farts out a gender reveal the game done changed we need more yeah it's like cake farts that was the beginning of a revolution i really enjoyed the i mean the farts in the reveal that that was funny oh it was yeah i I mean, it's jackass humor.
Like, jackass is the greatest humor of all time when they fart baby powder on each other's faces. So fucking funny.
And I'm not being sarcastic whatsoever. Jackass, masterpieces.
Is that it, Hank? Yes. All set.
Cool thrown. That was great.
Thank you. My hot seat is the Big Ten in football because Greg Sciano, according to Leroy, is meeting tonight with Rutgers Brass to talk serious, serious business when it comes to the contract there.
I think as first reported by Leroy the Dog, Greg Sciano will be Rutgers' new head coach for football.

So hot seat, everyone else in the Big Ten.

The Big Ten East is going to be hard to win now.

He is the man for the job.

Yeah.

Rose Bowl goes through Piscataway.

That's absolutely true.

My other hot seat is Freddie Kitchens because according to Sabermetrics, he's going to be fired this week.

We talked about it a little bit on Monday's show, but I looked up the exact stat. Romeo Cornell, Eric Mangini, Pat Shermer, Rod Chudzinski, and Mike Pettin were all fired after their second Steelers game and Hugh Jackson.
So wait, this wouldn't be this week then. It would be in three weeks when he plays his second Steelers game.
Yeah, so he is officially on the hot hot seat i looked it up the the steelers are final destination for browns coach correct that's it once you play them the second time you're done i still can't believe that a guy named rod chudzinski ever had chuds ever had a job much less a head coaching job well that's just a for the browns that's a that's a name that screams couch surfing to me uh my cool throne is the Dallas Cowboys. Because Troy Aikman, I just found this out today,

didn't know this was going on. He's been doing it for a while though.
Troy Aikman has his own proprietary Aikman efficiency rating where he goes through whatever, whatever formula it is. And he ranks the entire league on offense, defense, and then combined on a scale out of God knows what.
But the New England Patriots are number one. They're 178.2 on the Aikman.
That's pretty hard. Hank, you hearing this? The Cowboys are third, so they're 5-4.
But they're the third best team in the entire NFL, according to Troy Aikman. And then the next closest team that's 5-4 is the Eagles at 11th.
So the Cowboys jumped over the Ravens, the Vikings, the Seahawks. According to Troy Aikman.
If it's coming from his brain, then these rankings make perfect sense. According to Troy Aikman, the Cowboys are really, really good and underrated as far as their record goes.
Credit to him for not being biased. That's good.
My other cool throne is the internet ruining things oh yeah yeah it's the internet ruining things is on the cool throne again uh we're not allowed to enjoy anything we know that there was a viral video of a beluga whale playing fetch with a rugby ball in the ocean did you see that this was sad yeah so died no no so so the whale worse the whale was having it's worse than death the whale was having a great time playing fetch with a rugby ball and bringing it up to the boat. And then they'd throw it again.
He'd go get it, swim it back. It turns out that this whale is known to Russian intelligence services.
The whale's name is Vladimir. And it was a captive whale that escaped a Russian military training program.
And it's malnourished and it's injured, and it roams the seas seeking food and attention from people. So that's why it swims up to boats, because it's starving to death, and it doesn't know how to interact with other whales, because it was raised to be a fucking Russian spy.
It's the saddest possible story you can think of. It's fail whale it's very sad damn and i really enjoyed that video for a good 10 minutes before the internet ruined it for me yeah everything's ruined all right yeah i mean that you can't watch anything on the internet and be cool with it anymore um my hot seat well here's another thing the internet has ruined it's ruined all of our brains because i was telling you pft before the show but the newest jeffrey epstein theory out there uh he's not dead he's alive and the clintons used hillary's brother himself no he didn't kill himself because he's not dead and then they use hillary clinton's brother's body who died six months ago as the body for jeffrey epstein which they never did a DNA test.
They just had Jeffrey Epstein's brother positively ID him and then moved along. So did Hillary Clinton also kill her brother? I don't know about that.
Let's throw that one in there too. I haven't gotten all the way deep in the theory.
Yes, let's say yes. This is, this is a, the Jeffrey Epstein case is a real problem for people who have too much time on their hands because we're going to keep going deep.

I'm fascinated by it. And there's another billionaire suicide story out there that I wholeheartedly believe in the theory that Aubrey McClendon, you remember him? He was the CEO of Chesapeake Energy.
He was also attached to Billy McFarland. He was in the fire.
That's right. He's one of the investors there.
He was the owner of the Thunder, and he killed himself, allegedly, right before he was going to be sentenced for fraud by driving his SUV directly into the side of a bridge in Oklahoma City. No skid marks, nothing like that.
He just drove into a bridge. I don't think he was in that SUV.
There was no one in there. It was Hillary Clinton's brother.
It was Hillary Clinton's brother that he was framing, and then they were going to use. Hillary Clinton's brother has gotten a shitload of mileage out of his death.
Yeah, his body has been used for all these. My other hot seat, Hank, you want to mention it? Mention what? Your fantasy team? Yeah, I lost this week.
No one cares about my fantasy team, though. To who? I lost to you guys.
Oh, yeah? I lost to the first place team. We must have put everyone in the lineup, right? Nope, you had three players sitting, and Cooper Cup had zero points.
And we sat our three players on accident because we were clumsy and forgot to check. Or we're great coaches, and we are player first.
And even if you have a bye, we think you should deserve. You should never lose your starting spot to a bye.
That's our thing. It's load management.
We were giving our players a little bit of a break. And credit to us for being outstanding coaches.
We're a next man up team. Would you say a fantasy football expert like yourself should lose to a team that has three buys and a player that scored zero points? I'd have to check, but leaning no.
Okay. Okay.
Interesting. Good way to lean.
All right. My cool throne.
I don't want to do this to myself, but I'm going to do it to myself. It's Mitch Trubisky because I read this story.
Listen to me, Hank. First of all, listen to me.
I'm in. I read this story.
The Chicago Tribune is a great in-depth article about the draft in 2017, why Ryan Pace fell in love with Mitch Trubisky, all the other teams, the Texans and the Chiefs, their love. Everyone should go read it because it's a really good deep dive into just how like draft rooms work but at the end also Ryan Pace basically drafted Mitch Trubisky because he had a beat up car and he went to the Sun Bowl that's pretty much it I do like those stories that was the troubling part where they're like yeah they went out to dinner with Mitch Trubisky and he was gregar and and engaging and he told them about their beat-up car that he drives around to keep him humble he ordered his steak medium rare to correct temperature and then and we took pat mahomes out and he put ketchup on his so he drafted mitch instead okay so and then and then actually in the video because they basically did the whole timeline and they put in videos that the bears had tweeted about like draft night and in the video ryan pace is like hey mitch you know the first call like congratulations and he's like just do me one favor make sure you bring that car with you to halis hall it's like god damn it if this car if this car didn't exist everything changes yeah that's why you draft a player from alabama who always drives a mercedes okay but here we go here go.
Here's where it gets interesting because I tweeted out that everyone should read this and someone responded to me, said, Tired of everyone bashing the Bears for the pick. Almost every team had Mitch as their top QB on the board.
Watson was coming off a second ACL injury, and Mahomes was seen as a very raw prospect too. The only way the Bears get Watson or Mahomes is if they were lower in the draft.
By second ACL injury, do you also mean second NCAA championship? No, he only had one. He only had one.
Yeah, he lost the first one. That's right.
That's right. Who liked that tweet? Patrick Mahomes.
Okay. So, Patrick Mahomes is basically letting Ryan Pace off the hook.
Has confirmed. We are good.
Patrick Mahomes has acknowledged that it was not the right choice for him to be drafted by the bears and go to Chicago and get ruined. That's the little things.
Okay. At the end of basically the whole end of the article was like somewhere Mitch has it in him.
Like it's deep in there. He's just got to find it.
And I just read it. It was like, it's been a standing clap.
I was like, we got this. It's going to happen.
In retrospect, it was the correct decision to draft Mitch. What happened after that? It's a material change.
John Fox happened. Material change.
That was the other part that's so fucking stupid and so dysfunctional, like, organization shit. The Bears didn't want to fire John Fox and pay a coach to walk away.
And they didn't want to fire a coach after two years because they had just mark trustman after two years so they kept john fox and in the whole story john fox was like in love with deshaun watson and ryan pace just basically kept him out of the loop because he knew he was going to fire john fox right after the next year so what kind of car was mike glennon driving that made them want to sign him for a show probably convertible the only car that he could stick his head out of the top without bumping the head of it. Jesus Christ.
It was tough to read, but it ended well, and Patrick Mahomes has led us off the hook. So he saw it.
But everyone should read it because it actually is fascinating to see. Like the story about Brett Veach, who in the worst twist of fate is Matt Nagy's best friend from college.
He is a scout for the Chiefs, and he found Patrick Mahomes in, like, 2015 and was basically obsessed with him ever since and basically incepted the entire Chiefs organization that they had to draft Patrick Mahomes. So he found him when he was the only scout in the country that was like, holy shit, this kid is throwing for 400 yards a game.
No, Patrick Mahomes was not like that his first couple years at Texas Tech. Patrick Mahomes, the revision history here is that Patrick Mahomes, while really, really good at Texas Tech, was on not a great team, and he was raw.
He threw a lot of interceptions. I think the one thing that you can probably point to and take some solace in is at the time Patrick Mahomes had the stink of a Texas Tech quarterback correct where it's like these guys don't translate to the next level it's still a terrible call like six guys named graham that scouts salivate over because they didn't need to grip the laces and throw a pass at the end of the day it's still a terrible terrible call because essentially this was a in-depth uh article two and a half years after the draft being like how could the bears get this wrong so? So really the, well, it took them two years to compile all the reasons why they got it wrong.
They showed the picture of Patrick Holmes and Sean Watson and Mitch Trubisky at the pro bowl. Cause Mitch made it as like a fifth alternate.
And then that's the Andy Dalton slot. Oh, okay.
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We're in the presence of greatness. Do people call you the GOAT everywhere you go? No, no.
But there's GOATs in all different professions. You guys are GOATs.
Thank you. On what you do.
Appreciate that. Yeah, it could be a nurse.
It could be a doctor. It could be Beyonce.

It can be Serena Williams.

And the list just goes on and on.

But you are the GOAT.

Yeah, so GOAT to GOAT.

You would say that it's fair to call yourself the GOAT wide receiver, right?

It's okay for people to call me the GOAT, but I would never say I'm the GOAT.

Okay.

So even though I have a GOAT tattoo on my arm mean even though you label yourself as the goat whoops i'll put it this way besides you who is the best wide receiver that you've ever seen play oh my god i had a lot of guys before me lance one uh you know drew pearson uh dwight clark freddie solomon and the list just goes on and on and on. And the guy that's probably playing today, the guy I really like today is Julio Jones, Larry Fitzgerald, and A.B., he was my man too.
Yeah, so you talked about A.B. leaving the Steelers.
I think you said he was just sick of Tomlin and Roethlisberger. Since that, it looks like he's been sick of everyone and had trouble everywhere.
Do you think he plays again? I don't know, to be honest with you, because I – you know, he got in touch with me, and I thought he wanted to be a Niner, and then he went to the Raiders. And all of a sudden, things went south with the Raidersiders and then he went to the Patriots.
Now he's out of football. So I really don't know.
So you I saw a comment I think maybe last year that you made that basically was like you could still come back and play. Oh yeah, I still got about 80 catches in me.
So if the 49ers let's say a couple injuries. They don't don't need me you really do think that like we always we always joke about it because barry sanders you know retired when he still had a lot of gas in the tank and my dad used to always say like oh barry sanders out there somewhere for about 15 years after are can are we still in the jerry rice oh he's still he still could get out there you know i remember barry sand Sanders back in the day, and he put so many guys in the hospital because he could cut on a dime.
And, you know, what a great football player. But, you know, I think with the Niners right now, it's a whole different scheme of football with the run pass option.
It's not like the old days. And I remember days where if the ball was being thrown to the right side, I was getting hit on the backside.
Now they protect players just a little bit more. Yeah.
Are you a little bit jealous of the players putting up the numbers that they do these days? No, no. You know, I think I played in an era where I would not go back and change anything.
I had great teammates. And, you know, with Joe Montana and, you know, had Ronnie Lott, the greatest coach, you know, with Bill Walsh.
And, no, I would not change anything. And I know the ball is being thrown in the air more now, but I played in an era where I think when those helmets collided on Monday Night Football, you knew it was time for those gladiators to come out there and play.
You mentioned Ronnie Lott, the gladiator, when he cut his own finger off. Yeah, that's serious, ain't it? They told me that story, man, and I was like, wow, did he actually do that? For real? For real? Did you ever ask him about it? He did.
He did. He didn't want to miss any time, so he decided to tell them to just, you know, nip the edge.
And he did. Would you have done the same thing? Well, your hands are used a little differently than a defensive player.
Without any hesitation, no. Okay, there you go.
What about a toe? No, no, no. Really? I was looking at it.
But let me tell you guys this. I think because I played for over 20 years, the pain tolerance.
And you're not always going to be able to play when you're healthy, but you still got to be able to perform at a certain level. So I was able to, whatever I could block that out, if I had a separated shoulder or whatever, I could block that out and still and still play okay so that brings up something that i wanted to uh mention uh 1997 you tear your acl week one yeah you played week 16 yeah that was stupid that was stupid how is that possible this is before acl surgeries have become you know what they are today and guys guys' timeline is only nine months, 12 months.

You played in the same season when you tore your ACL.

How did you do that?

The reason why I played is because they were going to retire Joe Montana jersey

on that night, and I wanted to be a part of that.

That's why.

Out of respect to him.

That's the ultimate respect.

So I rehabbed like crazy, and everything was working properly. I was being explosive.
I could come out of my cuts. I could do everything.
But when you have an injury like that, the knee doesn't heal completely. There was no way I should have played in that game.
But I played in it and I was right back in surgery the next day. You did another surgery? Yeah, Because I cracked my patella.
Jesus. Goddamn.
Did you re-tear the ACL at the same time? No, no, no. But no, just cracked my patella.
So they went in there and put some screws in, did all that. Does Joe know that you did this for him? Yeah, I told him.
Okay. He sent you a gift basket? So he owes me big time.
Yeah, that's a pretty nice move right there. Yeah, you know, out of respect though.
It was just a a respect thing that's all yeah i looked at it and i was just because i saw the whole warren sap and you were upset that warren sap never called you to apologize you're bringing back a lot of bad memories well then i looked at the game log and i was like wait he played in week 16 how does this make sense yeah so you know it's just hard work man and and throughout my career for to play professional football for 20 years you have to sacrifice a lot yeah and and i love the game the way i condition myself and i always wanted to uh you know put something out there special for the fans well let's talk about that because your conditioning and your work ethic are stuff of legend um everyone knows about the bricks so you would catch bricks your dad was a bricklayer and would throw you bricks when you were a kid. Can you tell that? No, I had a brother that would throw me bricks, and I would be up on this scaffold that was about 20 foot in the air, and the bricks would separate, and I would snatch them out of the air.
And there's this myth about me catching bricks. It helped me to catch football, but, but it's totally different.
You know, to catch a football, you got to be able to catch the ball with your hands and you got to be able to give with the ball. And if, you know, with the bricks, if you catch the bricks and you give with the bricks, you're going to come tumbling down.
You're going to get bricked. Yeah, you're going to get bricked.
So, but, you just my father taught me about work ethic, loving what you do, and always giving 100%. Okay, what about chasing Pete the horse? Pete was my horse, man.
I'm telling you, Pete was the fastest horse in the neighborhood. And Pete had muscles, and he was just like, you know, I'm like, okay, you want some me and i knew pete could outrun everybody in the neighborhood and stuff like that this is it only it only took me maybe about maybe two hours to chase pete down because he was in this big you know this big pasture and stuff like that and he was not the type of horse you could just walk up to and grab okay so this is rural mississippi because it's a very funny saying to be like, Pete was the fastest horse in the neighborhood, which obviously implies there's many horses in the neighborhood.
It's just like the Kentucky Derby. You know what I'm saying? If Pete was in the Kentucky Derby, he would win.
Really? Yes. Pete the horse.
Did you work your way up to Pete with another horse? Maybe a lesser horse? No, no, no. We had to run the horses down.
So that took like about 45 minutes to an hour.

But hey, the incentive is if you run the horse down,

then you got the horse for the rest of the day.

Okay.

You got to ride the best horse.

Yeah, you got to ride the best horse.

But when you release Pete, it's going to take the same thing

the next time you get ready to ride.

So that was part of my conditioning.

Yeah, right.

Training for the NFL by chasing Pete the horse. Yeah, sort of similar to like, you know, Forrest Gump.
Yeah. I would just run, man.
Did that help you more with your endurance? Or did that help you be able to cut? What did running after Pete really help you with? You know, I think it was more about my endurance. Yeah.
That's it. Because the first quarter and the fourth quarter, I want them to look the same way.
A lot of guys during the fourth quarter, they're tired. So, you know, defensive backs, they would look at me, and I'm bouncing around, jumping around.
They're looking at me like I'm crazy because I still have more football, and I was always at my best in the fourth quarter. Closing speed.
Yeah, closing speed on Pete the Horse. Was there – yeah, go ahead, PFT.
I was going to say, was there anybody that you played against, a defender, that you knew was kind of your peer that was able to shut you down, or were you always – What do you mean shut me down? Was there a guy – What were you talking about? Yeah, so there wasn't – Ain't nobody going to shut – Ain't no one going to shut me down. Yeah.
No, no. Who was the one guy that – was it Deion? I had Deion Sanders and I had Darryl Green, two of the fastest guys in the NFL.
And Deion, when he first came into the league, he was just known for his speed. But then he worked on his craft.
And so it was one of those things where you had respect for, but you knew that you had to go out and somehow you had to defeat this person. And those are battles that you look forward to, challenges, and it brings out the best in you.
So you were kind of joking with PFT there, but not really, because I feel like you're competitive. Yeah, I was joking with him.
No, but you have a Hall of Fame competitive streak, do you not? Oh, yeah, you've got to have that. But I'm talking about I read a story where you – so every day in the offseason, six days a week, two times a day was the training.
Can you walk us through that training regimen? Yeah, but you guys are number one in what you do, right? Yeah. What does that take? A lot of going home.
Just not late nights. That's right.
Smelling salts. That's right.
Yeah. But you're completely.
So I'm Jerry Rice. Yeah, you're involved in what you're doing and you love what you're doing.
Right. So it was the same thing for me.
You loved. So walk us through an average day of off-season workout, because this is also in a time when I would assume most guys aren't training the way they train.
Like now, guys train all year round, and they really commit themselves to it. No, they do not, no, no, they do not.
They train less now.

Okay. Because, you know, the equipment that they have and stuff like that, they got all this other stuff going on with social media and, you know, endorsements and all that stuff.
That was something I stayed away from. Okay.
Okay. A typical day for me during the off season, I would take two weeks off right after the season, go right back into my training.
So I wanted to go back into running the hill. I had this infamous hill that I would run.
It's about two and a half miles up, and then you have to run down. But we ran it for time.
The last 800 meters straight uphill, and that would challenge anyone that would make uh players throw up but i was conditioning myself getting myself ready for the next year so you do that in the morning run up the hill so i do that then i'm at the gym uh probably around about 11 and i lift till about uh one o'clock then i have the rest of the day to do whatever i wanted to do so you don't you don't think that players these days could hang with you? I think players, they thought I was crazy. And they don't have to do that anymore.
They've got the equipment has become to advance, that sort of thing. Well, it's a lot different now.
And I think guys, they just don't, maybe that's not right for me to say they just don't commit to their craft

you know like we did

back in the day. Was there anyone on the

49ers who not

outworked you but worked as hard as you?

Roger Craig really

introduced me to the hill

but you know

the rest of the teammates

my teammates they thought we were crazy.

Do you still run up the hill? I can still run the hill. Do you? That hill? Have you gone to it? I have done it before.
Okay. Yeah.
Did you ever bring anybody to work out with you? And they're like, yeah, I want to do what Jared does. Barry Sanders and all those guys.
Barry Sanders. And they thought, they like, okay, we see why you're in such great shape.
Uh-huh. We just want to do this.
But, guys, you got to think about this, too. I played for over 20 years.
The lifespan of a football player is about four years. And back when we played the game, because you were getting hit, you know, even if the ball was not coming your way.
Right. So that brings up something that also I wanted to talk about.
So there was a news story a couple weeks ago about Tom Brady possibly moving on from the Patriots in the offseason, which I think we all agreed is kind of bogus, but it's something you talk about in the middle of the season. You had such an incredible career with the 49ers, but at the end of your career you moved on to different teams.
Do you have regrets that you weren't able to just stick around with the 49ers? No, I still wanted to play. Yeah.
And I still felt like I had more to offer. When I went to the Raiders and I went in there and put that uniform on, and I pretty much announced that I looked pretty good in this silver and black.
It looked really good on me, and I had some success there. I think that year when I got let go by the Niners, I went back to the Pro Bowl, did all that, had the opportunity to go back to the Super Bowl, but we got beat by Tampa Bay because I really wanted to bring a Super Bowl to Tim Brown and Rich Gannon and all those guys, but it didn't happen.
But no, I have no regrets. Then I went on to Seattle for a little bit.
Then I was in Denver for a second, and that was the end of it. Did that look weird to you when you put on the Seahawks uniform for the the first time because you looked I always thought you looked great in the silver and black that was like okay that's Jerry Rice but when I saw you put on the Seahawks uniform I was like that is that's just weird to me yeah it was a little different but you know I also uh when I went in it was no way I was going to touch uh Steve Largen's number I was prepared to get another number I I was probably going to go back to my collegiate

number, 88. But when I went

in, I met with Steve Larchin

and he said, hey, you know, I want

you to wear 80. And I'm

like, the way, the respect that I

had for that man, it was no way I

was going to say no to him. And that's the reason

why I wore 80. The ultimate

respect, number respect is like

different level of respect. I have a theory.
Okay. So you are the goat in my mind.
But I think with athletes the problem is as time passes people forget the goats of past years. Right? They move on to the next thing.
We see it all the time in basketball. We see it in football.
I think that your legacy is hurt by the fact that people weren't playing fantasy football. Oh, that fantasy football, man.
Seriously, hold on. Okay.
Hold on. I'm going to explain it.
Okay. When, when you have guys who put up incredible statistical game seasons, there is a, like the kinship between fans outside of your, the team you play for that is bigger than that like i could remember when ladenian thompson won me a league like i will always remember that so i think we need to set up a twitter account or have someone do it and be like this this week in jerry rice if you had him on your fantasy team basically like a time portal so i, I looked it up.
Like, for instance, you would tweet when week five happens. We'd be like, if you had Jerry Rice on your fantasy team week five in 1990, he had 13 catches, 225 yards, and five touchdowns.
That's pretty good. In one week.
How many points is that? Wait, wait, wait. Standard score.
Are you serious? Yes. That's what you had in that game.
That was against the Atlanta Falcons? Yes, it was at Atlanta. Yeah, where they had Demery.
I think he was the defensive back, and they kept trying to play me one-on-one. I like that you're like, are you serious? I'm like, are you serious? Yeah, see, even you're impressed by Jerry Rice's stats.
I actually looked that game up, and it was Demery. You had five touchdowns, and they put him on you one-on-one.
One-on-one. Deion Sanders was the other cornerback, and they told him, no, you stay on that side of the field.
I'm like, okay, all right. Yeah, so you're going to follow the Jerry Rice time portal.
So week 11, 1993, eight catches, 172 yards, four touchdowns. If you tweet that out, if you had Jerry Rice on your fantasy team this week, you would have won.
Wow, that's crazy, man. And we get basically to people realize how special you were and the numbers you put up because I think that gets lost.
I think I'm always surprised, to be honest with you. You're surprised by your own stats? Yeah, because I never kept up with my stats.
Yeah, that's a lie. Week 12, 1994, 16 catches, 165 yards, three touchdowns.
Whew. Hope you didn't put him on your bench that week.
Say that one more time. 16 catches, 165 yards, three touchdowns.
Sheesh. That is crazy.
Yeah. So even Jerry Rice is impressed by Jerry Rice's dad.
I'm serious. So someone's going to start that for us because we have a million people who listen to this not to brag but someone will start that and run it and be like this week in Jerry Rice history I'm also very impressed by I've always looked back at your career and kind of admired the fact that you came into the league and the knock against you was you might not be that fast you might not be fast in fact Aaron Donald ran a faster 40 time than you did right and he's you know 280 290 pounds big guy uh but when you got on the field when you put the pads on either you got a lot faster or everybody else that was fast without pads got a lot slower which one do you think it was I got a lot faster because I knew people they were trying to hurt me and someone is trying to hurt you, you have the tendency to run a little bit faster.
So whenever I got out in front of someone, and I was like, that's the way I used to really think. And that gave me that little extra boost that I needed to get into the end zone.
But yeah, that's the way I looked at it. 4-6-40.
I'm starting to think that Pete the Horse wouldn't have won the Kentucky Air Race. But let me ask you.
I'm going to tell you this. Probably during a football game, I was running 4-2s.
4-2s? Yeah. Damn.
Because you were scared. Yeah, because I was scared.
And I used that. Uh-huh.
I used that to my advantage. Yeah.
Now, if you line me up just to run a straight 40, I'm not going to run a good time. Yeah.
someone chasing you i need someone or you need to chase pete the horse uh yeah exactly um so you're we're no doubt or hall of famer but do you think what when you look at someone who is up for the hall of fame do you think postseason success and those big moments yeah yeah exactly exactly because I feel like you go back and you look at my postseason, I was always at my best. You go back during the season, like during the season, you look at Sunday night football, Monday night football.
I was always at my best. So you have to be able to perform at a certain level when everything is on the line.
What was your favorite Super Bowl? I liked them all. Give me your favorite.
I'm serious. Give me your favorite.
From Super Bowl XXIII, you know, the final drive, from Super Bowl XXIV against the Broncos, where we beat them 55, I think, 55. Put a 50-burger on them.
Yeah. Then Super Bowl XXIX.
I think they all brought something special, but it's like they meant something to me because I was always nervous. Yeah.
You hear people say, well, it's just another game. No, it's not.
It's the Super Bowl. And if you don't win, no one is going to remember the loser.
Right. So it's always that.
Hey, guys, I'm going to tell you. my my first super bowl i remember playing that game over and over the night before because we always put the first 15 plays in yeah so i knew exactly the opportunities that i would have during the game so i'm up playing this game all night long i wake up the next day then you know i can't eat i never eat on game day you know because i got you know i got these butterflies going on i'm nervous and stuff like that and the super bowl is not till later on that evening so i go to the uh stadium which i always go on the first silver dome right what's it was in miami oh miami yeah so i go to i i go to uh on the first bus go to the the stadium, put my uniform on, decided to relax on this table, fell asleep, fell asleep.
And I could hear my teammates as they walked by like, what is going on with him? This is the Super Bowl, and he's just, you know, he's sleeping. He's taking a nap.
But I had prepared. I knew exactly what I wanted to do.
Now I just had to carry that to the football field. So speaking of guys that have had a lot of postseason success and talking about what that means for their legacy, a lot of people recently have been talking about Julian Edelman and the possibility that he might be a Hall of Famer because of what he's done in the postseason.
Julian Edelman also, he took your daughter to prom, right? Yeah. Did you have any words with Julian before that? Of course I did.
Of course I did did i just can't share it with you guys yeah you know i just can't say it over the air and stuff like that no no no but you know with uh element what what he's doing for the offense but he's just like he's just a tough guy look at you know like last night that catch he made then he just uh threw his body in the air and stuff like that, you know, to, you know, get positive yards. But I think eventually they have to start looking at those, those smaller guys, you know what they do.
The ball is not, I don't think ever going to get thrown down fields deep as it used to in the past. It's all about about those short passes and being able to do something with the ball.

Speaking of which, you have so many records,

but I feel like if you're a quarterback

or a wide receiver in the NFL,

your record's going to get broken

because of the way the league is moving.

It's a passing league.

Right.

So when a record gets broken,

although it's going to be very hard

for someone to break your receiving yards record, I would assume. Well – How far away is Larry? He's – I think – I still think he's got a ways to go.
I think about 400 or something. Yeah, so that's – I don't know if he's got that.
Well, I know exactly where he's at. I know he's got to be somewhere close.
Right, So do you get – when you lose a record, how does that – are you mad? Are you happy? No, no. I'll be the first one to congratulate you.
Okay. Because I didn't play it for the records.
Larry Fitzgerald is – He's 6,000 yards behind you. Oh, you got this.
So actually, your receiving record all time was probably untouchable. I was sweating.
It is. Okay.
It is. touchdowns and everything.
Because behind you, there's Larry, and he's probably got maybe one year left in him, if that. Torello Owens.
But reception-wise, how many is he? He has about 200 to go. About 200-something.
So he could do that. He could catch that.
If he plays three more years, maybe. Three, four years.
I don't know. That's a lot of years.
I mean, the longevity of your career is incredible. You said it yourself.
Like four years is the average. Can you point to all the training? Do you think that's what added up? I think that's really something that I'm proud of, that I was able to commit to something like that and still love it today, you know, because it's like whenever I went to practice, I felt like I wanted to learn something, you know, not saying I would wake up and say, oh, I got to go to work today and just going through the motions.
And I think the thing is that really helped me to excel on the football field. Was there ever any times throughout your career and you were fortunate enough to play on some some really really good teams where you had kind of a down season or a bad time and and did that impact your love of the game and in turn affect like how much you wanted to work at it? You know guys I think one thing that really helped me and I'm to say this because when we lost to the tampa bay buccaneers and i was with the raiders because i was always used to winning super bowls they had all your plays and and and we ended up losing that one and still you have obligations that you have to fulfill with the media and stuff like that now here i am i'm so used'm so used to, you know, just winning.
Now, I, you know, I lost, but still being able to, you know, do what I had to do with the media, do with what I had to do with the fans and stuff like that. I think I learned more about losing than winning, because when you win, everything's just great and stuff like that.

And I remember when we lost that game,

when I got back to my room,

I went to my room,

I sat on the bed for a second and I cried like a baby because I was like,

I cannot believe we just lost the Superbowl.

But now you got to gather yourself and you got to go downstairs.

Right.

Yeah.

Right.

Well,

you also had like three and a half quarters to realize you lost that Super Bowl because you guys got killed. Well, thanks a lot.
I appreciate that. You got smoked.
Yeah. I mean, Gruden had all the plays.
It's a good thing I got big skin, you know that? Well, and three other Super Bowls. That helps a little bit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Helps a little bit.
Is it harder to catch a spiral from a lefty or a righty? A lefty. And I had a trainer that was a lefty.
He threw me so many balls. And Steve used to really piss me off, though, because when Steve first came into the league, Steve was more of a running quarterback.
So here I am. I'm running my route, and I'm thinking, okay, the crowd is cheering.
They see me about to get open and stuff like that. But Steve was running up my back because he was running the ball and stuff like that.
But we became a great tandem, just like I was able to become a great tandem with Joe Montana. What was the ending like there in the locker room when it was clear that Steve was going to be the future and Joe was going to move on.
It was tough because I thought of Joe as God. Yeah.
And I'm like, God is never going anywhere. And Joe decided to move on to Kansas City.
Then Steve became the guy. Now, everything that I had developed with Joe, I had to put that on the back burner and I had to make Steve, you make Steve a better quarterback.
And I was always able to do that with whoever was behind center. Was there a moment where you knew that it was going to work out with Steve? I was going to make it work because I was going to bring the best out of him.
If he had certain strengths in different areas and stuff like that,

I was going to tailor to that.

And I think, you know, through repetition, working during the week

and stuff like that, we got on the same page.

And, you know, that's just like the game I was watching, you know,

with the Cleveland Browns and stuff like that.

And you got Odell Beckham, and he has a chance to win the game one-on-one, and you don't throw him the football. So you have to get on that same page.
It's interesting, the lefty-righty thing, because I never really thought about it. The ball spins a different direction.
So you had to basically retrain how to catch the ball. Because I had never caught a ball from a lefty, and I had a trainer that would just throw me balls after balls doing certain drills, and it just became natural.
How many catches do you think you've caught in your life? Oh, my God. This is like Wilt Chamberlain.
I couldn't even tell you. A million? Do you think it's a million? Yeah.
How many professional catches have you had? Because I would take each one of those. 1,549.
But you don't keep track of your stats. I'm checking.
That's right. I would say.
I just knew that off the top of my head. So how many would you catch in practice? I can tell you.
We've got to figure this out. I want a stat like Jerry Rice caught this many passes in his entire life.
I think it might be a million. Yeah.
That's just like autographs. I couldn't even tell you.
Yeah. How big are your hands? I shook your hand, and it was like Jimi Hendrix's hands.
Yeah. I thought I had big hands, but then I ran into Shaq.
Oh, yeah. And it's like he shook my hand, and my hand just completely disappeared.
Well, here's a stat. It's another Jerry Rice stat, probably because of your hands being large.
You played 19 seasons in the NFL, 20 seasons, 12 and 20. You had 19 fumbles total, 11 lost.
That's insane. 11 fumbles lost in 20 seasons.
That's crazy. So, Josh 30 is ball security.
You're a smart machine, Jerry. Wait, why are you bringing these memories back up? You're so competitive, you think that is a bad stat.
That's bad. I fumbled 11 times? Yeah, God, that's bad, man.
That's how competitive you are. That's conceived.
I saw that and I was like, how did he only fumble 11 times? I think we all want to really be perfect. You're as close to perfect

as you get, and you're still mad about it.

No, I had 11. Alright, here, I'll clean it up with this.

If you started Jerry Rice

week 2, 1995,

he had 11 catches, 167 yards,

and 2 touchdowns.

If you started Jerry Rice week 14,

1985, he had 10

catches, 241 yards, and a touchdown.

That was your breakout game.

All these games are like over 30 fantasy points.

That's crazy.

Easily. Probably over 40, most of them.

That's crazy.

When you had your breakout game in your rookie season.

That was the third game in the season against the Rams.

I remember that.

Oh, I was counting it as the week 14 game that I was talking about.

You're saying that your breakout-up game was already –

That was my come-out game.

Week three?

I think it was week three because I became the starter and we played the Rams.

And that was the game I went into where I knew exactly what to do.

I didn't have to think about what I had to do on the football field

and I was able to just go play football.

No, wait.

That was week 14 against the Rams.

Week three was against the Raiders.

Week 14 is the one I was talking about.

Ten catches, 241 yards.

I would say that's your breakout game.

Okay, all right.

Because you had, you know, you averaged like three, four catches.

I told you I'm a little confused because I don't keep up with my stats.

Yeah, that's right.

So you have your breakout game.

1,549 reception, 208 touchdowns, 22,895 yards. 11 fumbles.
Lost. Over 37 records.
Caught Pete the horse 17 times. So Bill Walsh, though, I'm curious.
He's a fascinating guy to me, someone who revolutionized football. When you sat down with him, what was the type of things he would do as a coach to make you better or bring the best out of Jerry Rice? Well, he never let you get comfortable.
He never would let you get comfortable or anything like that. And Bill, and I'm going to tell you guys this story here because it was by accident that they drafted me because the San Francisco 49ers, they were in town to play the New Orleans Saints in New Orleans.
They had checked into the hotel. Bill was flicking the channel, and they were showing some old highlights of Mississippi Valley State that Saturday game.
And he noticed me running across the television, catching balls and running away from everybody. He went back and told his scouting department, we got to look at this guy, Jerry Rice.
So they went back, they looked at me, and then they traded down to get to that 16th spot because they traded with the New England Patriots to get to that 16th spot because I thought I was going to be a Dallas Cowboy. They had the 17.

And then I got drafted by the Niners. So when he would do an install meeting or something like that, and he was going over your film, how hard would he coach you? How critical would he be of how you were playing? Oh, yeah, very critical.
But I think it made me a better football player because when you sit there and you watch the film as a team and you're not giving 100% or you're not doing your job, it's right there on the film. And he would do that.
He would have the offense and the defense, if we had a bad game, sit there and watch each other. So you have to be accountable.
You saw a lot of great coaches come through there, too. You had Mike Shanahan.
Yeah, yeah. Mike Holmgren.
Mike Holmgren, all these guys. A lot of football guys.
And a lot of those guys went on to become head coaches. So what Bill Walsh was able to do, his coaching tree became enormously successful at their own right when they went on to other jobs.
You see a coach like Belichick, and his coaching tree sometimes struggles with that sort of thing. So what was Bill Walsh's approach with his own coaches? Did you ever see him try to manage them? What was his attitude that he would have with them? I think he just led by example.
I mean, what he expected of his players, the way we practiced, we had to hustle to every drill. Because if you don't practice a certain way, you're not going to be able to carry that on to a game situation or a big game.
So preparation was everything for us, and I think that was the thing for him. All right, I have one last question.
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And he asked, I said, hey, anything, because he's a hero of yours. I asked him anything I should ask and he said you're a hero of his he's a hero he's a hero of yours yeah Brandon Walker is a hero of Jerry Rice yeah yes correct um you you love this guy so he he asked all-time Mississippi football players can you rank them Payton, Jerry Rice, Brett Favre, Steve McNair.
All-time? I love sweetness. Okay.
Number one? I would say Dan, myself. Okay.
That's a very smart, classy move by you. I think Brett.
Okay. And air mcnair yeah that's a pretty good any other mississippi legends i don't know i actually don't know but walter paid man sweetness god i remember i used to idolize that guy i had a brother that played at jackson state too and my brother at that time told me they were running like the wishbone.
So that was not a good place to go for a receiver because if they're running the wishbone, they're not going to be throwing the ball that much. But I remember when he went into the league and he used to have those kangaroo shoes, all of that, and how he would punish people when he ran the football.
So I sort of like idolized that guy. Okay.
Yeah, good football i i got two last questions for you first of all were you ever upset that you didn't get a cooler nickname from chris berman because he was always around those 49ers teams back in the day yeah he was always picking us to win the super bowl too yeah uh you know i have had my share of nicknames fifi yeah yeah fifi yeah how Fifi. How'd you get that one? Because of my hair, man.
I had that Fifi look and stuff like that. They used to call me Jerry World Rice because they felt like I could catch anything in the world.
They used to call me Flash 80. And this one guy, Jamie Williams, started that.
He would go, Flash. Ah! You know, just like that.
So, yeah, you know, just, yeah, I have had my share. I think Boomer calls you Jerry Minute Rice.
Did he do a rice-a-roni, too? He probably did a few rice-a-treats. Yeah.
But it wasn't as good as some of his other ones, you know? Like, he brought out the heavy hitters for other people. I guess you probably didn't need a nickname.
You kind of let your game speak for itself. My last question, this also comes from somebody who works here.
His name is Tyler, at Tyler I am on Twitter. He wanted to know how much stick'em is too much stick'em.
Well, you know what? You're trying to take down your legacy. I'm not even going to respond to that because I'm way above that.
There you go. my thing is i played the game the right way uh and i you know i hopefully i was able to entertain a lot of people and i had fun and that's it that was a clown question so you know you know the thing is people gonna have their own opinions and i feel like i'm way above that but when you go back and you look at everything and guess who's uh been picked by USA Today number one Jerry Rice Jerry Rice if you started Jerry Rice in the Super Bowl in 1994 in your daily fantasy league he had uh 10 catches 149 yards and three touchdowns in the Super Bowl.
That's pretty good. Hmm.
Interesting.

That's a pretty good stat line.

So we need to get that up there, the Jerry Rice today.

Yeah, I think that's pretty cool.

A little time portal.

Yeah, I like that.

I like that.

Let everyone know the stats.

But you know what?

You guys are goats, man.

Oh, thank you.

Thank you.

Goat to a goat.

And I appreciate you guys.

Yes.

And I know all the hard work that goes into this.

Appreciate that.

Yeah.

Goat. Thank you.
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They've talked to anonymous people from the team behind the scenes, as well as pitchers that pitched against them when all this was going on. It seems pretty airtight.
I saw John Boy put together a clip. Did you guys see it? Where he basically broke down.
The Astros had trash cans that they were banging in the dugout very loud whenever there was an off-speed pitch coming yeah were they also doing it for the away teams when Justin Verlander was pitching yeah because that would explain a lot actually the last couple seasons so first of all this is pretty fucked up but also good for baseball because it gets baseball talked about AJ Hinch the manager for the Astros also was like every time it's been brought up I think there was a whistling controversy and he was super super uh arrogant about it the Astros has there ever been a team that has like fallen off in the public conscience more than the Astros in the last month probably not it's been it's been been a rough month for Houston fans. I was going back and looking at what happened during the Yankees series this year, and so the whistling accusations were coming from the Yankees saying that they would do the same thing except not with the trash cans, with whistling.
They would whistle when an off-speed pitch was coming, and A.J. Hintz, the manager, said, it made me laugh, the accusations, because it's ridiculous.
Had I known it would take something like that to set off the Yankees, we would have practiced that in spring training. So cheating and cocky about it.
So how long from now until the Cardinals copy what the Astros did and they start cheating too? The Astros, so what's the punishment? I don't even know. I mean, first of all, we should give Clayton Kershaw a World Series for 2017.
Okay, yep. So we should update his resume.
Make the Astros move to London. That would be good.
But this actually is kind of a big deal if this is proven to be true. And I don't know how deep you can get into it.
I think they'd probably have to have a few more sources. But it came from a guy who played for the astros then got traded yeah so it seems pretty uh it seems like it's pretty realistic that it actually did happen and it's blatant cheating there's i like baseball when there is like a little gamesmanship a little this little that you know maybe trying to like steal a sign here and there uh or you know, tipping pitches.
But this seems like they were actually using high, like high tech cameras in the outfield, relaying it to the dugout in real time, real time. And then letting the players know, which is so blatantly cheating.
Disgusting. Yeah.
Can you imagine if this happened using a camera and relaying signals? Disgusting. Have you done that tweet yet? Hmm.
Have you done that tweet yet, somehow making it about... I don't do that.
You guys are the ones that do it, and I have to say something. They should let Roger Goodell determine what...
All I'm saying is that what the Houston Astros did is disgusting and unacceptable. That's fair.
Good. I'm happy you're standing up for that.
I agree with you, Big Cat. I think that think that cheating baseball is a sport for scoundrels

cheating within reason and gamesmanship is fine once you bring anything that requires a battery into play correct whether it be an apple watch as some teams have done in the past and gotten caught doing or the stealers or if it's yep yep the big men who doesn't know how to use an apple Yeah, that's right.

Good point, Hank.

But once you bring a camera or an... Yep, the Steelers.
Big Ben, who doesn't know how to use an Apple Watch. Yeah, that's right.

Good point, Hank.

But once you bring a camera or an iPhone or anything like that into it,

it's a little bit over the line.

But it's a net win.

And you can hear on the video that John Boy put together,

you can hear them banging on the trash cans.

Yes.

Like they're doing a recital of Stomp Out Loud back in the clubhouse. And that's all you hear.
Yeah, exactly. That's all you hear before the pitches.
Or maybe it's all business. Pete was running their air conditioning system and their heating system.
Ghost in there, yeah. And they've got air in the pipes.
That's what they should say. And I know there will be a lot of people who say this is the worst thing that could happen to baseball because it is blatant cheating.
And they won a World Series probably in part because of it. I think it's all good for baseball.
Any kind of publicity is good for baseball. Seriously.
It just gets people going. And the diehards lose trust in the system.
Well, I would obviously think very differently if the Cubs played them in the World Series. But I'm admitting that.
If you trust baseball at this point, you're the mark. You're the idiot right now if you actually believe that they're in it for you.
Also, stay woke. This is awards week.
So Monday they announce Rookie of the Year. Tuesday is Manager of the Year.
Wednesday is Cy Young. Thursday is MVP.
People are talking about baseball now. So stay woke on the timing of it.
And, well, you know what? A little spin zone. This is a little do-your-pod for D.C.
homers. This makes the Nationals' World Series title even more impressive.
Yeah. The fact that they were able to beat them while they were probably cheating.
Cheaters, yeah. In fact, I did a little sabermetrics of my own here.
I looked up the box scores from this year's World Series on games played in Houston. 60% of the Astros' runs were scored in the first inning before the Nationals would change how they were doing their signs change how they were tipping their pitches and Strasburg even said I think it was after game six he's like yeah they knew what I was going to throw so I switched things up he didn't elaborate anymore on that but it would it it leads me to believe and other reasonable people to believe that they were still doing it this year so this they couldn't even cheat correctly at home though they couldn.
They couldn't win a game at home. Yep.
They, they cheated themselves. This should be a.
They cheated all of us. How are you going to say this to your kids? Like, how am I going to tell my son that baseball has been ruined? You can't, you can't explain that to him.
I can't. Well, he's four months, so he probably wouldn't understand.
I mean, you can try. I will actually tonight.
I'm going to sit and be like, Hey, just so you know, AJ Hinch is a real motherfucker. Yeah.
yeah i say that right to his face just put a lacrosse stick instead of a baseball glove under his mattress true true big winner of this is lacrosse um all right trouble in paradise skip bayless and ezekiel elliott's family so skip bayless threw out a zeke jersey which was come on skip at least put a fucking liner in the trash can to make us think it's real. And his microwave.
I know people do it when we tweet out videos and stuff, so it's like, but his microwave was the most preposterously placed microwave. Oh, I thought it was great.
It was right at penis height. His microwave is built into his kitchen island.
Like it was on the counter underneath. Yeah, it's built into his kitchen island.
That's rich shit. I don't know who it could be for.
Skip doesn't have any kids running around. I think Skip probably just microwaves his balls real quick before he goes on the air every morning and just gets his takes up.
That's the only... It's seriously below his waist.
Yes. I was very concerned about that.
So he threw out the Zeke's jersey, which was baffling because Zeke Elliott was not the reason why the Cowboys lost. Jason Garrett was the reason why the Cowboys lost.
But Jason Garrett doesn't have a jersey that you can destroy. Well, you could just throw away like a play card or something.
Or maybe a red wig. An ill-fitting polo shirt.
Do you think when the Cowboys have been doing well, do you think that Skip has made Ernestine wear a red wig? Mm. That's a good.
You mean. Or maybe even when they're doing bad and he takes it out on Jason Garrett.
You mean on a weekend? Yeah. When they're sleeping in the same bed together.
Ronald McDonald. Probably.
Yeah, I'd say definitely. Yeah.
Skip's. By the way, Skip is one of those guys you can just tell is addicted to portrait mode.
Because, like, all his pictures have that fucking weird thing where it's, like, blurred in the background. It's like, come on, dude.
You're in a fucking cowboy's jersey. You're a weirdo.
But anyway, Zeke's mom clapped back and said pretty much fade on sight, right? Said you're not allowed. I don't want to catch you wearing my son's jersey anymore.
That's not a problem because he threw it away into his fake trash can. He totally threw it away.
You know what? It definitely was taken out. There's always something at the bottom of your trash can that you just haven't taken out after you keep replacing the liner over top of it, like over and over and over again.
Yeah, that trash jizz. Yeah, the trash jizz or maybe it's just like a couple paper towels that are at the bottom of it.
Yeah. Yeah, it's just going to stay down there.
It's Zeke's jersey. If Stephen A is the showman that we know that he truly is, he would get Zeke's mom on first take.
Yes. And pull a zeke uh jersey out of a trash can by the way how did we get this far into the show and not even mention uh this show is brought to you by disney plus that's right yeah they they they came into our office this morning held guns to her head and we have to tweet about him and talk about him all the time yeah it's crazy how many people were tweeting about disney plus steven a's was so funny because i would for some reason when steven a tweets an ad i believe it he was like i've been so excited for this i'm so excited it's like he probably is gonna watch moulin rouge all day i honestly think that steven a smith gets excited whenever somebody puts money into his bank account right whoever's talking to him when that check what's moulin rouge moulin rouge is moulin is a great watched it last week and actually was on TV.
Moulin Rouge is about the strippers that live inside a windmill. Moulin is...
Is that a Disney movie? In Spain. Is the female warrior who fought in place of her father.
Is that a Disney movie? Yeah. What was the Irish one they got? The Irish...
Walk of the Irish. They have like an Irish...
All-time Disney Channel movie. Boondock Saints.
No, no, no. Walk of.
There's like a little girl who's got freckles, and she has a fucking bow and arrow, and she's like an Irish warrior. Angela's Ashes.
No, it's Braveheart, I think. I'm thinking of Braveheart.
Braveheart. Yeah.
First boot. I usually have somewhat of an understanding of what you're talking about.
This is Disney? Disney, yeah, yeah, yeah. Disney Irish.
Maeve, an Irish warrior princess.

Maybe I made that up.

Yeah, I think you did.

Okay, well, on to, what do we got?

Oh, guys on chicks.

Guys on chicks.

I feel like I'm...

Hey, Pete, I feel like I usually have,

there's one thing that you say that I'm like,

that sounds familiar.

None of that.

An Irish woman, are you talking about the Wendy's logo?

No, there's a Disney movie.

Irish. Disney movie Irish.
Google. Luckily Irish.
The luck of the Irish. Nope, that's not.
Brave. Brave, okay.
It's a Pixar. Yeah.
Yep. I got it.
Pixar is not Disney. Look at that.
That's Disney. That's an Irish with a bow and arrow.
You nailed it. Nailed it.
When did it come out, though? 2012. I didn't even see it.
I don't know why I thought this. I didn't even see it.
Okay. Recently, my friend has started talking about...
I was probably triggered that they had a ginger be a hero. It's like, I've seen enough Bengals games to know that doesn't happen.
Recently, my friend has started talking to a 40-year-old Mormon guy who has never been married. He always seems to avoid her sexual advances.
For example, she invited him to spend the night several times and he'll just say he can't or he'll stay on the couch but ends up leaving. They've made out a few times, but he'll always push her away when he feels it's getting too intense and says he needs to go.
Do you think he's a virgin or why do you think he's avoiding her advances? Should she keep trying to get laid by him i think he's definitely a mormon that's pretty pretty common i most of the mormons most of the mormons confirmed a mormon yeah most of the mormons i knew got married super early because they were like i really want to have sex but they are very committed to not having sex they just soak just how about this introduce him to soaking and then see what he says I like that. then kind of take it from there take it slow with him be gentle i think yeah he he is just scared of soaking he's scared of saying hey i know you want to fuck but really we're just gonna have to soak soaking seems awesome i would love to yeah very little actually went to utah last i.
It's coming up. And he's doing a piece.
But apparently you can't. Coming out this weekend.
You can't cum when you're soaking. Otherwise, it's a sin.
So you just have to think about baseball while soaking. You just get to lay in there.
Okay. Yeah.
I mean, that sounds. It sounds relaxing, honestly.
Yeah. Sure.
Hey, PMT boys. Especially above average height PFT.
My name is Helga, after my great-grandmother,

and my boyfriend has asked me multiple times to go by Ann, my middle name,

because he thinks my name sounds like an obese German lady's name.

Is he a piece of shit for thinking this,

or should I take his advice and go by Ann?

I happen to think Helga has a nice ring to it.

Should I break up with him?

Please help me out. You know what?

I used to date a girl way back in the day named Elsa. And I kind of felt the same way about that name.
And then fast forward like 20 years later and boom, Frozen's out. Now everyone wants to be called Elsa.
That's true. It's a cool young name again.
Names do come back. Maybe all you need is for Disney to remake Brave, and this time Brave's little sister Helga

is the star, and then all of a sudden it's like you're dating a movie star.

We should do a-

So you're saying you don't like the name unless they come out with a Disney movie?

That's what you're saying?

Yeah.

No, I'm saying the human mind is an interesting place.

You felt the same way about the name is what you said.

It is crazy, though, that names age out.

Like, you don't see Dorothy's.

Have you ever met a Dorothy?

There was no Blake's until like 1970. Well, now they're the hottest name out there know yeah okay boomer it's true that is crazy who was the first blake i tried to do some research before this year's blake of the year and i was like oh let's find some historical blakes and it was like oh there's none blake washington didn't exist patient zero for blakes yeah there's got to be the first blake was it there's probably like a Lord Blake.
Blake was a last name, I bet. Yeah, baby.
And then it was such a cool last name that they just turned it into a first name. Mm-hmm.
Okay. I like that.
Ethel. You don't see many Ethels.
Jones. Jones? Mm-hmm.
So Jones is, yeah, that's Agnes. You guys are avoiding this question.
Agnes, yeah. You do not see a lot of Agnes.
I cannot remember the last time I met Agnes. Helga or Anne.
Helga or Anne? That's what you should go by, Helga or Anne. Annie.
That's what you should go by Anne. Anne, yeah.
I like Helga. Well.
Keep Helga. I feel like Helga plays if you're basically Oktoberfest.
That's it. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Huge time here for Helga.
You're just doing cocaine off a dude's dick. We all saw that video.
As the Germans do. Hey, boys.
My boyfriend spends, on average, 20 minutes to poop. I timed it.
And it's getting to be a problem. We're always late to events, or I'm alone at dinner, or we will be with my parents and they think he is sick.
I know he's on his phone, but he says he's actually pooping the whole time and it just takes a while to get it out. But I always say, when you really have to go, it just comes out.
We've've actually gotten into fights about this and his friends think he spends too much time on the toilet too what do i do is this normal help feed him more cheese there's extra cheese all the time on everything i mean it does take like 20 minutes what do you want to say like that's but if you need to go fast you can you can but sometimes things are out of your control, like how fast it takes to clean things. It's just a relaxing place.
It's like going to a spa. Women like to go to spas.
I like to take a shit. But if your woman going to a spa became a problem, you'd have to address it.
I would just get a bidet and say, you get in, you get out. And put a timer on it.
I know exactly how long with this bidet it should take to clean your butt yeah and if you go anything else then that's that's extra that's free time for you probably jerking off too well yeah just a heads up probably jerking off also if you're at a family function you need that 15 minute block where you can check your phone because when you come out you can't be on your phone is, we're getting into it, we're getting close to Thanksgiving and Christmas, but the best is, the best advice for any family functions is always be the guy who will go run an errand. Errand guy is the best.
Because you can take as long as you want, and that's just time you don't have to be sitting in the house, like, mindlessly doing nothing. Why do guys put pictures with professional cheerleaders on their dating profiles? What? We always do.
That's just part of being a guy. It's like you scratch yourself sometimes, you take long shits, and when you sign up for Bumble, you have to take that picture that you had at the Ravens calendar girl autographed.
At Hooters. Yeah, at Hooters, and then you have to slap that all over every single social media thing that you have.
Yeah, was that wrong? Was that the wrong thing to do? You want to show that you know how to act normal around attractive women, even if they were paid to be there by the team and not paid well. And yeah, if getting a signature from the entire cheerleading team on your calendar that you bought and brought for that occasion is weird, don't want to be normal yeah and maybe getting the lips when she kissed your hand when you said hi tattooed on the back of your hand that's what guys do lets chicks know that you're safe and that you know you can you can trust me you can be around me i know how to comport myself in the presence of an attractive woman yes absolutely all right last one sup p last one.
Sup PMT boys, especially Holiday Hank. What? Holiday Hank.
Okay. I'm thankful for this question.
Not anymore. Forbidden from holidays.
We're saying Merry Christmas, by the way. Okay.
We're not doing Happy Holidays? No, we say both, but we can say Merry Christmas again. Got it.
We should go up and see the tree. I hate that fucking tree.
Oh, my God. I went with my parents when they came the first year.
Was it cool? A that tree sucks no that tree sucks i'm gonna go that tree is it's a great place for a baby that tree i'm not gonna bring my baby i'm gonna bring you what are you talking about you i was saying we as a group should go up that's the worst yeah i'll bring you you're my baby i refuse i refuse to put you in the stroller and we'll go see the fucking tree hank you're gonna like it it's the most commercialized tree, and as a former Christmas tree salesman, the Christmas tree purist.

That's not a fucking Christmas tree.

Can't move.

So?

It's a disaster.

What's up, PMT boys, especially Holiday Hank?

I'm on the fence on whether or not to keep my boyfriend.

He seems to be yelling at middle school-aged kids on the new Call of Duty modern warfare,

and it has me concerned for the future of our children together.

Threatening and calling children ass fucks

and telling them he fucked their moms is alarming.

Please help with much love.

Epstein.

That's not her name.

Okay. I played the new

Call of Duty and I got

killed like 7,000 times

in the first 20 minutes. KDR, bad bro.

So I understand where he's coming from. It's fucking hard.
So keep him. Keep him.
I think it shows that he's got passion. Yeah, and if he was good at it, if he wasn't swearing at people, that means he would be good at Call of Duty, and that means that he puts in way too much time.
So you want your boyfriend in that perfect zone where he wants to play video games, has fun with it.

But then gets smoked so bad.

Then he's like, fuck this, I'm out.

You hear that sound?

Off-speed pitch coming.

There it is.

Yeah, I agree.

Astros.

You would be...

Callback joke.

Shout out Mark Titus.

You would much...

Oh, that's a callback of a callback.

Yep.

You would much rather date somebody who sucks and is pissed off about sucking than someone who's really good and nonchalant about right right then you're then you're in for trouble yes i'd agree like if he gets killed and he goes so it goes and then he's a nerd too because he's making literary references he's like i don't give a fuck if i die in real life or in fake video games yeah so it sounds like you got a keeper yeah he's passionate passionate man all right that's our show who do we got for oh i, I think we're going to do Rick Ankele on Friday. This is a good interview.
Really good interview. Question, live question, behind the scenes question.
For Triggs, would you say he's a pitcher or a batter in what team? Both. Cardinals, both.
Mm-hmm. Yes.
Okay. How do you do that? He's definitely a cardinal.
Triggs, figure it out, dude. All right.
A pitcher and a batter. He could be pitching to himself.

There it is. How about that?

He could be throwing a wild...

No, he won't.

Okay, we'll see everyone on Friday.

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