Jerry Rice, Russ Wilson MVP + Guys on Chicks

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take,

Speaker 1 the GOAT, Jerry Rice in studio. Awesome conversation with him.
We also have some Monday night football, one of the best Monday night football games of the season.

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Speaker 1 The 49ers have lost. Pop those champagne bottles.
Mercury Morris. I feel like we don't even do that anymore now that Boomer's not on every single night.

Speaker 4 I haven't heard from Mercury. And he's usually reliable as a clock.
Like, this is when Mercury shows up to get his one week of shine every single year. I'm actually disappointed.

Speaker 4 What would he have done if there was a tie?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 4 Chugged a room temperature natty light. I was hoping we were going to get a tie.

Speaker 1 We're getting close to a tie on Monday night. It was a great game, though.

Speaker 1 Russell Wilson, the MVP now, forefront of the MVP race, even though he threw that interception in overtime that people are just forgetting, and also

Speaker 1 played hot potato with the ball and gave it to his lineman in the worst.

Speaker 1 That was so bad how he just sold out his lineman, just handing him the ball to get it stripped.

Speaker 4 Did he hand it to him, or was he getting stripped and then it just bounced directly?

Speaker 1 I think he gave it to him. I was like, here, you take this.

Speaker 4 I mean, the biggest story of the night I thought was Jadevian Clowny. Clowney was lighting people up.

Speaker 5 Shannon Sharp.

Speaker 4 Jaklowney on Clowney. Yes.
If you're looking for a new nickname for him.

Speaker 1 So much so that Deshaun Watson was tweeting about how much he loved him. And misses him.
Yes, and misses him. But yeah, no, you're right.

Speaker 1 Jaday Van Clowney, that was like his coming out game as a Seahawk, and it was a fantastic game. It feels like the NFC West is going to be a race.
They play one more time in Seattle.

Speaker 1 It's going to be a fun race down the stretch. I think you walked away from that game having questions about the 49ers' offense.
Not the run. I mean, they can run on anyone.

Speaker 1 The Jimmy Garoppolo, like big moments. That end of the game, he was just looking to throw an interception to someone.

Speaker 4 All the fourth quarter, all of overtime. He was, I think they had what, like two interceptions that were dropped.
Yep. A couple other balls that maybe could have been intercepted.

Speaker 4 They were missing George Kittle, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Greg Kittle was not in there. They kept on showing him

Speaker 1 going crazy

Speaker 1 in the box. So that is a big loss because he's probably the best tight end in the NFL.
But this was like the game that the 49ers are undefeated. Everyone's wondering if they're for real, and they are.

Speaker 1 But they have actually a pretty tough schedule going down the stretch.

Speaker 4 Well, the entire NFC West does. So not only the Niners, the Seahawks do, and the Rams.
They all play like a shitload of really, really good teams.

Speaker 1 So my biggest question, the other big question coming out of it, are we mad at Joe Tessator for being mean to a kicker?

Speaker 1 Was the moment too big for joe tessetore the moment was too big he said so mclaughlin i think i'm saying his name correctly chane chane uh it's actually chase but chase he's basically a shane somehow the 49ers tweeted this but somehow the 49ers have two kickers better than the bears kickers one being an x-bear and the other being an alignee but i digress and so he makes a huge kick to take them into overtime like a 50-yarder then he misses the one to win in overtime and joe tessator goes the moment was too big for him after the moment had just been perfectly fine it's just kickers miss and so people got mad at Joe Tessator

Speaker 1 I actually think I'm I'm down with Joe Tessator saying that because it was so dramatic being like the moment is too big it's like it's a Monday night game and both these teams are probably going to the playoffs yeah they'll be fine in the long run the Seahawks are very very good the Niners are also very very good I thought that in overtime Kyle Shanahan's play calling was very interesting.

Speaker 4 So the Niners get the ball back after that interception.

Speaker 4 They had an opportunity to, I mean, they could have knelt it out and walked away with a tie. That would have been very easy, but they threw the ball three straight times, I believe.
Clock stops.

Speaker 4 Seahawks get the ball back. Seahawks come back and win the game.
This is actually a battle of the two coaches that have lost Super Bowls because they passed when they should have run.

Speaker 1 Right. And it almost happened to both of them.
Right.

Speaker 4 Pete Carroll. Called that play, got an interception.
Kyle Shanahan called a bunch of pass plays when he could have run the clock out and then ended up losing. So, which team has learned less?

Speaker 4 Which coach has learned less from their defeat at the hands of the Patriots?

Speaker 6 How about Russell Wilson saying it was the craziest game he's ever played in?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's kind of weird.

Speaker 1 The Seahawks just play in these weird games, but he's played in Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 the Oregon Rose Bowl that he played in was the most points ever in the first quarter in the Rose Bowl. It was insane.
Like, he's played in some crazy games.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying that this is the Rose Bowl, or I'm not saying the Rose Bowl was bigger than this, but he has played in a lot of crazy games. So that's kind of a weird thing for him to say.

Speaker 1 But yeah, he's Russell Wilson, I think I said this a couple weeks ago, but he is, for my money, the number one guy. And I know it kind of spits in the face of the fact that he threw an interception.

Speaker 1 He is the one guy who I would want, trust the most with the ball. down late in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 It was good interception, though. So it pinned him deep in theory if they had made the tackle.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it would have Jade Armpot. I agree, yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, even when he makes a bad throw, it was the right throw to make at the time.

Speaker 1 It It was only his second interception all year.

Speaker 4 His guy was open on it. He threw an interception.
That happens from time to time. Russell Wilson is fucking ridiculous, and I would be terrified to be rooting against him at the end of the game.

Speaker 1 Running, passing, whatever it is. He is the guy who can make the most happen late in the game.
And it just feels like...

Speaker 1 I don't know what it is, but there are certain levels that athletes get to where when the Seahawks are in third and long or fourth and long, I'm just like, yeah, they'll get it.

Speaker 1 And when they're in third and short, I'm like, Russell Wilson will probably throw a 50-yard 50-yard touchdown here. Like, just to fuck everyone up.
I also thought, I just expect that.

Speaker 4 I thought Pete Carroll was going to go for it when it was fourth and two at midfield and

Speaker 1 on their side.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And instead, they punted the ball away.
I love Monday night football.

Speaker 1 I love overtime. Uh-oh, what are you going to say? But

Speaker 4 I hate how overtimes make you just continue snacking. So if you're sitting down watching the game, you have your Buffalo Wings, you have your pizza or whatever.

Speaker 4 As the game goes longer, it goes to overtime.

Speaker 1 You can see Buffalo Wings and Pizza on a Monday night.

Speaker 4 i'm saying in theory if you were to do this i was gonna say that's an aggressive monday i had two popsicles and then i had but the the bottom line is overtime starts you have to go to another snack you have to bring out your overtime chips your overtime guac i brought out my overtime uh like it was like jalapeno crackers or whatever they were it makes you snack more and you have to open another beer during overtime and overtime beers you were drinking beers last night sounds terrible i had a i had a beer but overtime beers they they make your hangover it's like a force multiplier an overtime beer makes your hangover hangover the next day 1.5 times worse than a beer drank in regulations.

Speaker 4 Snacks and beer are bad.

Speaker 1 I'm more confused. You're confused.
Yeah, when it's really late. I'm more confused than your Monday night.

Speaker 1 Monday night is for watching football and cleaning up your life. Not drinking, not eating.

Speaker 4 What planet are you from? Yeah, that's it. Monday night football is the night you get your act together.

Speaker 1 You're sitting at home watching Monday night football with beers and wings. That's the cleanup game.
Brother, that's a Tuesday night. Thursday is the go-crazy game, like food, beer, whatever you want.

Speaker 1 Saturday is also go crazy. Sunday is just go crazy eating.
Monday is clean up your whole life.

Speaker 4 Incorrect. Monday night is ease yourself back into the work week, taper off from your Sunday and your Saturday of drinking and eating.

Speaker 6 I think it depends on the quality of the game that's on.

Speaker 1 Like last night was a situation where it's like an easier way to end the week, but like doing that for like Dolphins Steelers.

Speaker 4 You have to drink more for Dolphin Steelers. Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 1 No. Like how many Dolph Dolphins Steelers? I would agree with that.

Speaker 6 Oblos, whatever.

Speaker 1 No, see, I, the reason why I love Monday night football is it's when it's like there's one sole game and you're like, no distraction, just sit and be with football and like say goodbye to football for three days.

Speaker 1 I look at the schedule. Until you get Maxion, obviously, Maxion tonight.

Speaker 4 I look at the schedule the opposite of Hank. If I see a game that's like the Steelers and the Jets or the Dolphins and the Jets on Monday night, I'm like, how many beers would that take?

Speaker 4 Probably like seven. It would take seven for me to get to the next one.

Speaker 1 We need a PMT poll. How many people are drinking at home on a Monday night? I don't think it's...
I feel like it's the, I feel like it's the sobriety game. It's the time to clean up your life.

Speaker 1 I'm not sure. If your team's not playing,

Speaker 1 as long as your team's not playing. If your team's playing, then it's all bets are off.
I'm not getting drunk.

Speaker 4 I'm not getting drunk every Monday night football game. I'm saying that I'll have a couple beers, a couple cold ones.

Speaker 6 I was saying 45%.

Speaker 1 And then in overtime, it's like midnight and you're still drinking?

Speaker 4 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 When overtime hits, it's midnight. This seems like

Speaker 4 you're so excited. You've got to pop another beer to get ready for overtime.
It's one overtime beer. I think that's the general standard.

Speaker 1 This one almost went the whole overtime. I think it did, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah, it was almost a tie. It was very, very close to being a tie.

Speaker 4 I had another thing flagged here. Robert Sala, the defensive coordinator.
Not a FaceTime.

Speaker 4 Of the 49ers, he's going to be a head coach not because he's necessarily great at defensive coordinating, but because he has a holdback guy.

Speaker 4 And anytime your defensive coordinator has a holdback guy, you look at that and you say, he will be a head coach one day. Yeah, and

Speaker 1 when you start getting the FaceTime, when they start showing the coordinators instead of the head coaches, that guy is ready to go.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I would argue that the name Sala, because of Mo Sala, a little talking soccer, has never been higher. That's true.
So you just kind of associate that with winning right now.

Speaker 4 I agree.

Speaker 4 Who's Steve Belichick's holdback guy? Does he have one yet?

Speaker 1 Probably Bielama. Well, Bilema's like whole Bilema just naturally boxes people out.

Speaker 4 He holds the entire side.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's constantly boxing people out without even trying to.

Speaker 4 Did you see what Matthew McConaughey, noted football analyst, said after the game?

Speaker 1 No, but tell me.

Speaker 4 He said, you give Pete Carroll a glass of water, he turns it into a lake and goes skiing on it.

Speaker 1 Whoa. Damn.

Speaker 4 Is that a high thought for McConaughey, or is that just

Speaker 4 being Matthew McConaughey is a drug in itself? It's just like, it makes you want to compare whatever it is you're watching to an outdoor shirtless activity.

Speaker 1 His brain is just high all the time. It makes everyone else contact.

Speaker 1 I actually had a friend who was at the game, and he sent me a picture of back of a head, but it kind of looked like Pete Carroll's twin. Okay.
Yes.

Speaker 1 We're still on the case.

Speaker 4 So the plot thickens.

Speaker 1 It was the back of someone's head that looked

Speaker 1 very much like the back of Pete Carroll's head.

Speaker 4 We found a guy that if you were having sex with doggy style,

Speaker 4 you could convince yourself that you were engaging in coitus with Pete Carroll.

Speaker 1 First cowgirl Pete Carroll. That's who it was.
Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. Should we do hot seat cool throne? Hank, you want to start?

Speaker 6 Sure. My hot seat is shorts.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 It's getting cold. It was the first snowfall today.

Speaker 1 It's just the miserable.

Speaker 1 The miserable, miserable part of the year.

Speaker 6 So, you know, shorts are kind of on the hot seat. Put them away for the surprise.

Speaker 1 Except for fat guys. Fat guys always wear shorts.

Speaker 6 That's aggressive, though.

Speaker 1 But that's a. If you are a

Speaker 1 problem,

Speaker 1 you can get away with shorts because everyone just looks at you like, what? What's going on? But it makes sense.

Speaker 1 For some reason, like way back when, fat guys just decided, hey, we're going to wear shorts in the winter.

Speaker 4 It's a cruel trick that nature plays on us that right after Squattober's over, you can't show off your gains.

Speaker 6 It also means, though, that Christmas is coming. We have new Christmas sweaters on sale.
Oh. 20% off only, today only.

Speaker 6 Get your merch.

Speaker 6 We have like five new designs, some great stuff.

Speaker 4 We should make shorts. We should make part of my take shorts.
I've been saying for the last four years that

Speaker 4 those cheerleader shorts that have the writing exactly back, the Sophie shorts or whatever they're called, those are coming back eventually.

Speaker 4 So we should do one that just says PMT across the ass. Those in umbros are coming up.

Speaker 1 Maybe with a built-in poop stain. Like it's just already there.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. So you're just like, hey, you don't have have to worry about it.
I'll one-up you. It's part of it.

Speaker 4 We'll only sell them in Brown. That way the entire thing is a poop stain.

Speaker 6 My cool throne is gender reveals.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 Oh, I saw that video.

Speaker 6 I was thinking maybe it was on the hot seat. There was also a news story last week that a plane crash happened because of a gender reveal.

Speaker 6 I don't know exactly how the two correlated, but it was like plane crash resulted, was a result of a gender reveal gone wrong. There was the girl farting today.

Speaker 1 Did you see that one, PFT? Yeah, I saw that one.

Speaker 4 The dust coming out of her.

Speaker 1 People running through brick walls.

Speaker 6 And so the girl farting, it's got the people being like, oh, like, gender reveals have gone too far. But that's really when the heat starts and people are going to pick it up even more.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, yeah, a plane crashed.

Speaker 1 Is that one, the story you're talking about?

Speaker 6 Yeah, but I'm saying some celebrities and stuff are like being like, oh, I remember my day, like back in the day, Phil Mickelson said he's like, you just sent an email being like, it's a boy.

Speaker 4 Back in his day, you sent an email in Phil's day.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 4 In the early 90s. Yeah.

Speaker 1 His email's been tracked by the FBI. Yeah, he sent a wire.

Speaker 4 In my day, we used to send a coded wire to our stock agent.

Speaker 1 In my day, when Billy

Speaker 1 Walters, Walters,

Speaker 4 Billy Walters.

Speaker 1 The guy who's in jail because of the gambling. Oh, because of Phil? Yeah.
He probably.

Speaker 6 What's it called, though? Like the Martha Stewart syndrome?

Speaker 6 Insider trading? No, like when they're talking about it so much, trying to get it to stop that it's just going to make it happen. Stre-San effect.

Speaker 4 That's a Streisan effect. Yeah, Streisan effect.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 The gender reveals.

Speaker 1 I I have a theory that we're going to reach a point in society in probably 15 years where this whole wave of gender reveals is going to come back to bite everyone in the ass.

Speaker 1 Because all you see, the Gordon Hayward is a perfect example. All you see is like dads being like, shit, it's a girl.
And then when these

Speaker 1 women or even men, if it's the reverse, if the mom's crying because it's a boy, they grow up and they have the ability to go online and they see their video and they're like, oh, so

Speaker 1 you didn't didn't want me. Yeah.
You wanted me something else?

Speaker 4 And once once cameos start to come into turn with this, with a gender reveal, that's what they did. They probably hired Harrison Ford to fly that plane for their gender reveal.
Yes.

Speaker 4 You get what you pay for.

Speaker 1 He hasn't crashed a plane in a while.

Speaker 4 It's been, yeah, he's over. He's like the Yellowstone Super Volcano.
He's overdue to dive one.

Speaker 1 I just feel like there's going to be a time in history here where people start finding their parents doing their stupid gender reveals and they realize how much all this sucks.

Speaker 1 So it's happening. I also have a theory about

Speaker 1 not stopping. No one's.
No, no one's that. No, you were

Speaker 1 exactly right. It's going to go.
Because people have to one-up each other. I mean,

Speaker 1 when a person farts out a gender reveal, the game done changed. We need more.
Yeah, it's like cake farts.

Speaker 6 That was the beginning of a revolution.

Speaker 4 I really enjoyed the

Speaker 4 fart gender reveal though. That was funny.
Oh, it was.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, it's jackass humor.
Like, jackass is the greatest humor of all time.

Speaker 1 When they fart baby powder in each other's faces, so fucking funny. And I'm not being sarcastic whatsoever.
Jackass masterpieces.

Speaker 4 Is that it, Hank?

Speaker 1 Yes. All set.
Cool throne. That was great.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 4 My hot seat is the Big Ten.

Speaker 1 Ooh. In football.
Be careful.

Speaker 4 Because Greg Sciano, according to Leroy, is meeting tonight with Rutgers Brass to talk serious, serious business when it comes to the contract there.

Speaker 4 I think, as first reported by Leroy the dog, Greg Sciano will be Rutgers' new head coach

Speaker 1 for football.

Speaker 4 So, hot seat, everyone else in the Big Ten.

Speaker 1 The Big Ten East is going to be hard to.

Speaker 1 Rosebow goes through Piscataway.

Speaker 4 That's absolutely true.

Speaker 4 My other hot seat is Freddie Kitchens

Speaker 4 because, according to Sabre Metrics, he's going to be fired this week. We talked about it a little bit on Monday's show, but I looked up the exact stat.

Speaker 4 Romeo Crinnell, Eric Mangini, Pat Shermer, Rod Tchudzinski, and Mike Petton were all fired after their second Steelers game, and Hugh Jackson.

Speaker 1 So wait, this wouldn't be this week then. It would be in three weeks when he plays his second Steelers game.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so he is officially on the hot seat. I looked it up.
The Steelers are final destination for Browns coaches. Correct.
That's it. Once you play them the second time, you're done.

Speaker 4 I still can't believe that a guy named Rod Chudzinski ever had

Speaker 4 a job, much less a head coaching job. That's just a...

Speaker 1 For the Browns.

Speaker 4 That's a name that screams couchsurfing to me.

Speaker 4 Chuds. My cool throne is the Dallas Cowboys because Troy Aikman, I just found this out today, didn't know this was going on.
He's been doing it for a while, though.

Speaker 4 Troy Aikman has his own proprietary Aikman efficiency rating where he goes through

Speaker 4 whatever formula it is, and he ranks the entire league on offense, defense, and then combined on a scale out of God knows what. But the New England Patriots are number one.
They're 178.2

Speaker 4 on the Aikman. That's pretty hard.
That's high.

Speaker 1 You hearing this?

Speaker 4 The Cowboys are third. So they're five and four.
That's the first thing. But they're the third best team in the entire NFL, according to Troy Aikman.

Speaker 4 And then the next closest team that's five and four is the Eagles at 11th.

Speaker 4 So the Cowboys jumped over the Ravens,

Speaker 4 the Vikings, the Seahawks. According to Troy Aikman.

Speaker 1 If it's coming from his brain, then these rankings make perfect sense.

Speaker 4 According to Troy Aikman, the Cowboys are really, really good and underrated as far as their record goes.

Speaker 1 Credit to him for not being biased there.

Speaker 1 That's good.

Speaker 4 My other cool throne is the internet ruining things.

Speaker 1 Ooh. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's the internet ruining things is on the cool throne again. We're not allowed to enjoy anything.
We know that.

Speaker 4 There was a viral video of a beluga whale playing fetch with a rugby ball in the ocean. Did you see that?

Speaker 1 This was sad. Yeah, so he died? No, no.
So the whale.

Speaker 4 That's worse. The whale was having, yeah, it's worse than death.
The whale was having a great time playing Fetch with a rugby ball and bringing it up to the boat, and then they'd throw it again.

Speaker 4 He'd go get it, swim it back.

Speaker 4 It turns out that this whale is known to Russian intelligence services. The whale's name is Vladimir, and it was a captive whale that escaped a Russian military training program.

Speaker 4 And it's malnourished and it's injured. And it roams the seas seeking food and attention from people.

Speaker 4 So that's why it swims up to boats because it's starving to death and it doesn't know how to interact with other whales because it was raised to be a fucking Russian spy.

Speaker 4 It's the saddest possible story you can think of. It's a fail whale.
It's very sad. Damn.
And I really enjoyed that video for a good 10 minutes before the internet ruined it for me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, everything's ruined. All right.
Yeah, I mean, you can't watch anything on the internet and be cool with it anymore.

Speaker 1 My hot seat. Well, here's another thing the internet has ruined.
It's ruined all of our brains because I was telling you, PFT before the show, but the newest Jeffrey Epstein theory out there,

Speaker 1 he's not dead. He's alive.
And the Clintons used Hillary Clinton's brother. He didn't kill himself.
No, he didn't kill himself because he's not dead.

Speaker 1 And then they use Hillary Clinton's brother's body, who died six months ago, as the body for Jeffrey Epstein, which they never did a DNA test.

Speaker 1 They just had Jeffrey Epstein's brother positively ID him and then moved along.

Speaker 4 So did Hillary Clinton also kill her brother?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Let's throw that one in there.
I haven't gotten all the way deep in the case.

Speaker 4 Yes. Let's say yes.

Speaker 1 This is a... The Jeffrey Epstein case is a real problem for people who have too much time on their hands because we're going to keep going deep.

Speaker 4 I'm fascinated by it. And there's another billionaire suicide story out there that I wholeheartedly believe in the theory that Aubrey McClendon, you remember him? He was the CEO of Chesapeake Energy.

Speaker 4 He was also attached to Billy McFarland. He was in the firefighters.
That's right. He's one of the investors there.

Speaker 4 He was the owner of the Thunder, and he killed himself, allegedly, right before he was going to be sentenced for fraud by driving his SUV directly into the side of a bridge in Oklahoma City.

Speaker 4 No skid marks, nothing like that. He just drove into a bridge.
I don't think he was in that SUV. There was no one in in there.

Speaker 1 It was Hillary Clinton's

Speaker 4 brother that he was framing, and then they were going to use that. Hillary Clinton's brother has gotten a shitload of mileage out of his death.

Speaker 1 His body, his various use for all these.

Speaker 1 My other hot seat, Hank, you want to mention it?

Speaker 6 Mention what?

Speaker 1 Your fantasy team?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I lost this week.

Speaker 1 No one cares about it. To who? It's a fantasy team, though.

Speaker 6 To who? I lost to you guys.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah? You must have been a very good friend.

Speaker 6 I lost to the first place team.

Speaker 1 We must have put everyone in the lineup, right?

Speaker 6 Nope. You had three players sitting, and Cooper Cup had zero points.

Speaker 4 Oh, and we sat our three players on accident because we were clumsy and forgot to check.

Speaker 1 Or we're great coaches, and we are player first. And even if you have a buy, we think you should deserve.

Speaker 1 You should never lose your starting spot to a buy. Also, we want our saying.

Speaker 4 You know what it was? It's load management. Yeah.
We were giving our players a little bit of a break.

Speaker 4 And credit to us for being outstanding coaches. We're a next-man-up team.

Speaker 1 Would you say a fantasy football expert like yourself should lose to a team that has three buys and a player that scored zero points?

Speaker 6 I'd have to check, but I'm leaning no.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 4 Interesting. Good way to lean.
All right.

Speaker 1 My cool throne.

Speaker 1 I don't want to do this to myself, but I'm going to do it to myself.

Speaker 1 It's Mitch Trubisky because I read this story. Listen to me, Hank.
First of all, listen to me. I'm in.
I read this story.

Speaker 1 The Chicago Tribune is great in-depth article about the draft in 2017, why Ryan Pace fell in love with Mitch Trubisky, all the other teams, the Texans and the Chiefs, their love.

Speaker 1 Everyone should go read it because it's a really good deep dive into just how draft rooms rooms work. But at the end,

Speaker 1 also,

Speaker 1 Ryan Pace basically drafted Mitch Trubisky because he had a beat-up car and he went to the Sun Bowl. That's pretty much it.
Okay. Yeah, I do like those stories.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So that was the troubling part where they're like, yeah, they went out to dinner with Mitch Trubisky and he was gregarious and engaging and he told them about their beat-up car that he drives around to keep him humble.

Speaker 4 He ordered his steak medium rare, the correct temperature.

Speaker 4 And we took Pat Mahomes out and he put ketchup on his. So he drafted Mitch instead.

Speaker 1 Okay, so and then actually in the video, because they basically did the whole timeline and they put in videos that the Bears had tweeted about like draft night.

Speaker 1 And in the video, Ryan Pace is like, hey, Mitch, you know, the first call, like, congratulations. And he's like, just do me one favor.
Make sure you bring that car with you to Hallis Hall. It's like,

Speaker 1 damn it. If this car, if this car didn't exist, everything changes.

Speaker 4 But that's why you draft a player from Alabama who always drives a Mercedes.

Speaker 1 Okay, but here we go.

Speaker 1 Here's where it gets interesting because I tweeted out that everyone should read this, and someone responded to me and said, tired of everyone bashing the Bears for the pick.

Speaker 1 Almost every team had Mitch as their top QB on the board. Watson was coming off a second ACL injury, and Mahomes was seen as a very raw prospect, too.

Speaker 1 The only way the Bears get Watson or Mahomes is if they were lower in the draft.

Speaker 4 By second ACL injury, do you also mean second NCAA championship?

Speaker 1 No, he only had one. He only had one.
Yeah. He lost the first one.
That's right. That's right.
Who liked that tweet?

Speaker 1 Patrick Mahomes. Okay.
So, Patrick Mahomes is basically letting Ryan Pace off the hook. Has confirmed.
We are good. And Patrick must move on.

Speaker 4 Has acknowledged that it was not the right choice for him to be drafted by the Bears and go to Chicago and get ruined.

Speaker 1 It's the little things, okay? Uh-huh. At the end, it basically the whole end of the article was like, somewhere Mitch has it in him.
Like, it's deep in there. He's just got to find it.

Speaker 1 And I just read it. It was like, it's been a standing clap.
I was like, we got this. This is going to happen.

Speaker 4 In retrospect, it was the correct decision to draft draft bitch. What happened after that?

Speaker 1 It's a material change.

Speaker 4 John Fox happened.

Speaker 1 Material change. That was the other part that's so fucking stupid and so dysfunctional like organization shit.
The Bears didn't want to fire Jon Fox and pay a coach to walk away.

Speaker 1 And they didn't want to fire a coach after two years because they had just fired Mark Tressman after two years. So they kept John Fox.

Speaker 1 And in the whole story, John Fox was like in love with Deshaun Watson, and Ryan Pace just basically kept him out of the loop because he knew he was going to fire John Fox

Speaker 1 after the next year.

Speaker 4 So, what kind of car was Mike Lennon driving that made them want to sign him for a little bit? Probably a convertible.

Speaker 4 The only car that he could stick his head out of the top without bumping the head of it. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 It was tough to read, but it ended well. And Patrick Mahomes has led us off the hook.
So he saw it.

Speaker 1 But everyone should read it because it actually is fascinating to see, like, the story about Brett Veach, who in like the worst twist of fate is Matt Nagy's best friend from college.

Speaker 1 He is a scout for the Chiefs, and he found Patrick Mahomes in like 2015 and was basically obsessed with him ever since.

Speaker 1 And basically incepted the entire Chiefs organization that they had to draft Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 4 So he found him when he was the only scout in the country that was like, holy shit, this kid is throwing for 400 yards a game. No, Knox got a lot of money.

Speaker 1 No, Patrick Mahomes was not like that his first couple years at Texas Tech.

Speaker 1 And I mean, Patrick Mahomes, the Rivis history here is that Patrick Mahomes, while really, really good at Texas Tech, was on not a great team, and he was raw.

Speaker 1 He threw a lot of interceptions.

Speaker 4 I think the one thing that you can probably point to and take some solace in is at the time, Patrick Mahomes had the stink of a Texas Tech quarterback. Correct.

Speaker 4 Where it's like, these guys don't translate to the next level.

Speaker 1 It's still a terrible call.

Speaker 4 Six guys named Graham that scouts salivate over because they didn't need to grip the laces to throw a pass.

Speaker 1 At the end of the day, it's still a terrible, terrible call because essentially this was an in-depth article two and a half years after the draft being like, how could the Bears get this wrong?

Speaker 1 So really the

Speaker 1 compile all the reasons why they got it wrong. They showed the picture of Patrick Mahomes and Sean Watson and Mitch Trubisky at the Pro Bowl because Mitch made it as like a fifth alternate.

Speaker 4 That's the Andy Dalton slot.

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Okay, here he is, the goat, Jerry Rice.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is the goat.

Speaker 1 It is Jerry Rice. His new book called America's Game, the NFL at 100.

Speaker 1 We're in the presence of greatness.

Speaker 1 Do people call you the goat everywhere you go?

Speaker 7 No, no. But there's goats in all different professions.
You guys are goats. Thank you.
And what you do. Appreciate that.
Yeah, it could be a nurse. It could be a doctor.

Speaker 7 It could be

Speaker 7 Beyonce. It can be Serena Williams.

Speaker 7 And the list just goes on and on.

Speaker 1 But you are the GOAT.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so goat to goat, you would say that Spirit called yourself the GOAT wide receiver, right?

Speaker 7 It's okay for people to call me the GOAT, but I would never say I'm the the goat. Okay.
So even though I have a goat tattoo on my arm.

Speaker 1 I mean, even though you're able to get there as the goat. Whoops.

Speaker 4 Whoops. I'll put it this way.
Besides you, who is the best wide receiver that you've ever seen play?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 7 I had a lot of guys before me. Lance Juan,

Speaker 7 you know, Drew Pearson,

Speaker 7 Dwight Clark, Freddie Solomon. And the list just goes on and on and on.

Speaker 7 And the guy that's probably playing today,

Speaker 7 the guy I really like today is like Julio Jones,

Speaker 7 Larry Fitzgerald, and A.B., he was my man, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you had those, you talked about A.B.

Speaker 1 leaving the Steelers.

Speaker 1 I think you said he was just sick of Tomlin and Rothesberger. Since that, it looks like he's been sick of everyone.
Yeah. Had trouble everywhere.
Do you think he plays again? I don't know.

Speaker 7 To be honest with you, because I, you know, he got in touch with me, and I thought he wanted to be a niner.

Speaker 7 Then he went to the Raiders, and all of a sudden things went south with the Raiders, and then he went to the Patriots. Now he's out of football.
So

Speaker 7 I really don't know.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I saw a comment, I think, maybe last year that you made that basically was like, you could still come back and play. Oh,

Speaker 7 yeah, I still got about 80 catches in me.

Speaker 1 So if the 49ers, let's say,

Speaker 1 a couple injuries,

Speaker 7 they don't need me.

Speaker 1 You really do think that? Like,

Speaker 7 we always joke about it because Barry Sanders retired when he still had a lot of gas in the tank and my dad used to always say like oh bar sanders out there somewhere for about 15 years after are can are we still in the jerry rice oh he's still he still could get out there you know i remember barry sanders back in the day and he put so many guys in the hospital and you know because he could cut on a dime and uh you know what a great uh football player but you know i think with the niners right now it's a whole different scheme of football with the run pass option it's not like the old days and uh I remember days where if the ball was being thrown to the right side, I was getting hit on the backside.

Speaker 7 Now they protect players just a little bit more. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 Are you a little bit jealous of the players put up the numbers that they do these days?

Speaker 7 No, no. You know, I think I played in an era where I would not go back and change anything.
I had great teammates and, you know, with Joe Montana and, you know, had, you know, run a lot.

Speaker 7 The greatest coach,

Speaker 7 you know, with Bill Walsh. And no, I would not change anything.
And I know the ball is being thrown in the air more now, but I played in an air where I think

Speaker 7 when those helmets collided on Monday night football,

Speaker 7 you knew it was time for those gladiators to come out there and play.

Speaker 4 You mentioned Ronnie Lott, the gladiator, when he cut his own finger off.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's serious, ain't it? They told me that story, man, and I was like, wow, did he actually do that for real?

Speaker 1 Uh-huh. For real? Did you ever ask him about it? He did.
He did.

Speaker 7 He didn't want to miss any time, so he decided to tell them to just,

Speaker 7 you know, nip the edge.

Speaker 1 And he did. Would you have done the same thing? Well, your hands are used a little differently than a defensive player.

Speaker 7 Without any hesitation, no.

Speaker 1 Okay, there you go. Now, anyway,

Speaker 7 no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Really? I was looking at it.

Speaker 7 But let me tell you guys this.

Speaker 7 I think because I played for over 20 years, the pain tolerance, and you're not always going to to be able to play when you're healthy, but you still got to be able to perform at a certain level.

Speaker 7 So I was able to, whatever, I could block that out. You know, if I had a separated shoulder or whatever, I could block that out and still play.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that brings up something that I wanted to mention.

Speaker 1 1997. You tear your ACL week one.
Yeah. You played week 16.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that was stupid.

Speaker 1 That was stupid. How is that possible? This is before ACL surgeries have become what they are today, and guys' timeline is only nine months, 12 months.

Speaker 1 You played in the same season when you tore your ACL.

Speaker 1 How did you do that?

Speaker 7 Yeah, the reason why I played is because they were going to retire Joe Montana Jersey on that night, and I wanted to be a part of that.

Speaker 1 That's why I said that.

Speaker 7 Out of respect to him.

Speaker 1 That's the ultimate restaurant.

Speaker 7 So I rehabbed like crazy, and everything was working properly.

Speaker 7 I was being explosive. I could come out of my cuts.
I could do everything.

Speaker 7 But when you have an injury like that, the knee doesn't heal completely. There was no way I should have played in that game, but I played in it and I was right back in surgery the next day.

Speaker 1 You did another surgery?

Speaker 7 Yeah, just because I cracked my patella.

Speaker 4 Jesus, goddamn. Did you re-tear the ACL at the same time?

Speaker 7 No, no, no, but no, just cracked my patella. So they went in there and put some screws in, did all that.

Speaker 1 Does Joe know that you did this for him? Yeah, I told him. Okay, I told him.
So he's like a gift basket.

Speaker 7 So he owes me big time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a pretty nice move right there.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you know, out of respect, though. It was just a respect thing.
That's all.

Speaker 1 I looked at it and I was just, because I saw the whole Warren Sapp, and you were upset that Warren Sapp never called you to apologize.

Speaker 7 You're bringing back a lot of bad memories.

Speaker 1 Well, and then I looked at the game log and I was like, wait, he played in week 16? How does this make sense?

Speaker 7 Yeah, so, you know, it's just hard work, man.

Speaker 7 And throughout my career, to play professional football for 20 years, you have to sacrifice a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And I love the game, the way I condition myself, and I always wanted to, you know, put something out there special for the fans.

Speaker 1 Well, let's talk about that because your conditioning and your work ethic are stuff of legend. Everyone knows about the bricks.
So you would catch bricks.

Speaker 1 Your dad was a bricklayer and would throw you bricks when you were a kid. Can you tell that?

Speaker 7 No, I had a brother that, you know, that would throw me bricks, and I would be up on the scaffold that was about 20 feet in the air.

Speaker 7 And the bricks would separate, and I would snatch them out of the air. And there's this myth about me catching bricks, you know, helping me to catch football, but it's totally different.

Speaker 7 You know, to catch a football, you got to be able to catch the ball with your hands, and you got to be able to give with the ball.

Speaker 7 If, you know, with the bricks, if you catch the bricks and you give with the bricks, you're going to come tumbling down. You're going to get bricked.
Yeah, you're going to get bricked.

Speaker 7 So, but, you know, I think it was just my father taught me about work ethic,

Speaker 7 you know, loving what you do, and always giving 100%.

Speaker 1 Okay, what about chasing Pete the horse?

Speaker 7 Pete was my horse, man.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, Pete, that's true.

Speaker 7 Pete was the fastest horse in the neighborhood. And Pete had muscles, and he was just like, you know, I'm like, okay, you want some of me?

Speaker 7 I knew Pete could outrun everybody in the neighborhood and stuff like that.

Speaker 7 It only took me maybe about maybe two hours to chase Pete down because he was in this big, you know, this big pasture and stuff like that.

Speaker 7 And he was not the type of horse you could just walk up to and grab.

Speaker 1 Okay, so this this is rural Mississippi because it's a very funny saying to be like, Pete was the fastest horse in the neighborhood, like, which obviously implies

Speaker 1 many horses in the neighborhood.

Speaker 1 It's just like the Kentucky Derby. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 7 If Pete was in the Kentucky Derby, he would win.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah. Pete the horse.

Speaker 4 Did you work your way up to Pete with another horse?

Speaker 1 Maybe a lot of horses?

Speaker 7 No, no, no, no, no. We had to run the horses down.
So that took like about 45 minutes to an hour. But hey, the incentive is if you run the horse down, then you got the horse for the rest of the day.

Speaker 4 Okay, but you've got to ride the best horse.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you got to ride the best horse, but when you release Pete, it's going to take the same thing the next time you get ready to ride.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 7 that was part of my conditioning.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. Training for

Speaker 1 the NFL by chasing Pete the horse.

Speaker 7 Yeah, sort of similar to like, you know, Forest Gump, just a little bit. Yeah, just I would just run, man.

Speaker 4 Did that help you more with your endurance, or did that help you be able to cut? What did running after Pete really help you with?

Speaker 7 You know, I think it was more about my endurance. Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's it. Because the first quarter and the fourth quarter, I want them to look the same way.
A lot of guys during the fourth quarter, they're tired.

Speaker 7 So, you know, defensive backs, they would look at me and I'm bouncing around, jumping around.

Speaker 7 They're looking at me like I'm crazy because I still have more football and I was always at my best in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 Closing speed. Yeah, closing speed on Pete the horse.

Speaker 1 Yeah, go ahead, PFT.

Speaker 4 I was going to say, was there anybody that you played against, a defender, that you knew was kind of your peer that was able to shut you down?

Speaker 4 Or were you always going to be able to get out of the way?

Speaker 1 Wait, what do you mean shut me down? Was there a guy? What were you talking about? Yes, so there's no point. Ain't nobody going to shut me down.
So there's a lot of people.

Speaker 1 Ain't no one going to shut me down. You're a competitive streak.

Speaker 4 Who's the one guy that, like, was it Deion?

Speaker 7 I had Deion Sanders and I had Daryl Green, two of the fastest guys in the NFL. And Deion, when he first came into the league, he was just known for his speed, but then he worked on his craft.

Speaker 7 And so it was one of those things where you had respect for, but you knew that you had to go out and somehow you had to defeat this person.

Speaker 7 And those are battles that you look forward to, challenges, and it brings out the best in you.

Speaker 1 So you were kind of joking with PFT there, but not really, because I feel like you're competitive. You have

Speaker 1 all time. No, but you have a

Speaker 1 competitive streak, do you not? Oh, yeah, you got to have that. But I'm talking about, I read a story where you, so every day in the offseason, six days a week, two times a day was the training.

Speaker 1 Can you walk us through that story? Yeah, but

Speaker 7 you guys are number one in what you do, right? Yeah. What does that take?

Speaker 1 A lot of salt. Just not laboring homes.
That's right. Smelling salts.
That's right. Yeah.

Speaker 7 So, but

Speaker 7 you're completely.

Speaker 1 So I'm Jerry Rice.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you're involved in what you're doing and you love what you're doing. Right.
So it was the same thing for me.

Speaker 1 You loved. So to walk us through an average day of off-season workout, because this is also at a time when I would assume most guys aren't training the way they train.

Speaker 1 Like now, guys train all year round and they really commit themselves.

Speaker 7 to the streets. No, no, no, they do not.

Speaker 1 They don't train them.

Speaker 7 They train less now.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 Because, you know, the equipment that they have and stuff like that, they got all this other stuff going on with social media and, you know,

Speaker 7 endorsements and all that stuff. That was something I stayed away from.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 7 A typical day for me during the offseason, I would take two weeks off right after the season, go right back into my training. So I wanted to go back into running the hill.
I had this

Speaker 7 infamous hill that I would run. It's about two and a half miles up, and then you had to run down.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 7 we ran it for time. The last 800 meters straight uphill.
And that would challenge anyone that would make players throw up.

Speaker 7 But I was conditioning myself, getting myself ready for the next year.

Speaker 1 So you do that in the morning, run up the hill?

Speaker 7 So I do that, then I'm at the gym

Speaker 7 probably around about 11, and I lift till about 1 o'clock. Then I have the rest of the day to do whatever I wanted to do.

Speaker 4 So you don't think that players these days could hang with you?

Speaker 7 I think players they thought I was crazy.

Speaker 7 And they don't have to do that anymore.

Speaker 4 They've got the equipment has become too advanced, that sort of thing.

Speaker 7 Well, it's a lot different now. And I think guys,

Speaker 7 they just don't,

Speaker 7 maybe that's not right for me to say they just don't commit to their craft,

Speaker 7 you know, like we did back in the day.

Speaker 1 Was there anyone on the 49ers who not outworked you, but worked as hard as you?

Speaker 7 Roger Craig really introduced me to the hill.

Speaker 7 But, you know, the rest of the teammates, you know, my teammates, they thought we were crazy.

Speaker 1 Do you still run up the hill?

Speaker 7 I can still run the hill.

Speaker 1 Do you

Speaker 1 that hill? Do you have you?

Speaker 1 I have done it before. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Did you ever bring anybody to work out with you? And they're like, yeah, I want to do what Jared does.

Speaker 1 Barris Anders and all those guys.

Speaker 7 Barris Enders, and they thought they like, okay, we see why you're in such great shape.

Speaker 1 We don't want want to do this.

Speaker 7 But guys, you got to think about this, too. I played for over 20 years.
The lifespan of a football player is about four years.

Speaker 7 And back when we played the game, because you were getting hit, you know, even if the ball was not coming your way. Right.

Speaker 1 So that brings up something that also I wanted to talk about.

Speaker 1 So there was a news story a couple weeks ago about Tom Brady possibly moving on from the Patriots in the offseason, which I think we all agreed is kind of bogus, but it's something you talk about in the middle of the season.

Speaker 1 You had such an incredible career with the 49ers, but at the end of your career, you moved on to different teams. Do you have regrets that you weren't able to just stick around with the 49ers?

Speaker 7 No, I still wanted to play. Yeah.
And

Speaker 7 I still felt like I had more to offer.

Speaker 7 When I went to the Raiders and I went in there and put that uniform on, and I pretty much announced that I, you know, what I looked pretty good in this silver and black.

Speaker 7 It looked really good on me. And I had some success there.
I think that year when I got

Speaker 7 let go by the Niners, I went back to the Pro Bowl, did all that, had the opportunity to go back to the Super Bowl, but we got beat by Tampa Bay because I really wanted to bring a Super Bowl

Speaker 7 to Tim Brown and Rich Gannon and all those guys, but it didn't happen. But no, I have no regrets.

Speaker 7 Then I went on to Seattle for a little bit, then I was in Denver for a second, and that was the end of it.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Did that look weird to you when you put on the Seahawks uniform for the first time? Because you looked, I always thought you looked great in the silver and black.

Speaker 4 That was like, okay, that's Jerry Rice. But when I saw you put on the Seahawks uniform, I was was like, that's just weird to me.

Speaker 7 No, it was a little different. But, you know, I also, when I went in, it was no way I was going to touch Steve Largent's number.

Speaker 7 I was prepared to get another number. I was probably going to go back to my collegiate number, 88.
But when I went in, I met with Steve Largent and he said, hey, you know, I want you to wear 80.

Speaker 7 And I'm like, the way, the respect that I had for that man, it was no way I was going to say no to him. And that's the reason why I wore 80.

Speaker 1 The ultimate respect, number respect, is like a different level of respect.

Speaker 1 I have a theory.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 you are the goat in my mind.

Speaker 1 But I think with athletes, the problem is as time passes, people forget the goats of past years, right? They move on to the next thing. We see it all the time in basketball.
We see it in football.

Speaker 1 I think that your legacy is hurt by the fact that people weren't playing fantasy football. Oh, that you were playing.

Speaker 1 Seriously, hold on.

Speaker 1 Hold on, I'm going to explain it.

Speaker 1 When you have guys who put up incredible statistical game seasons, there is

Speaker 1 a kinship between fans outside of the team you play for that is bigger than that. Like, I could remember when LaDania Tomlinson won me a league.
Like, I will always remember that.

Speaker 1 So, I think we need to set up a Twitter account or have someone do it and be like

Speaker 1 this week in Jerry Rice if you had him on your fantasy team. basically like a time portal so I threw up because listen I looked it up

Speaker 1 like for instance you would tweet when week five happens we'd be like if you had Jerry Rice on your fantasy team week five in 1990 he had 13 catches 225 yards and five touchdowns that's pretty good in one week how many how many points

Speaker 7 are you serious yes that's what you had in that game that was against the Atlanta Falcons yes it was at Atlanta yeah where they they had Demery I think he was the defensive back and they kept trying to play me one-on-one

Speaker 1 I like that. You're like, are you serious?

Speaker 1 Yeah, see, even you're impressed by Jerry Rice's status.

Speaker 4 I actually looked that game up, and it was Dimmery. You had five touchdowns, and they put him on you one-on-one.

Speaker 1 One-on-one.

Speaker 4 Deion Sanders was the other cornerback, and they told him, no, you stay on that side of the field.

Speaker 1 I'm like, okay, all right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you're going to follow the Jerry Rice time portal. So week 11, 1993,

Speaker 1 eight catches, 172 yards, four touchdowns. Like, that's, if you tweet that out, you're like, if you had Jerry Rice on your fantasy team this week, you would have won.
Wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 And we get basically to people realize how special you were and the numbers you put up because I think that gets lost.

Speaker 7 I think I'm all surprised, to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 You're surprised by your own stats?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I, I, because I never kept up with my stats.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a lie. Week 12, 1994, 16 catches, 165 yards, three touchdowns.
Whew!

Speaker 1 Say that sweet. Hope you didn't put him on your bench that way.

Speaker 7 Say that one more time.

Speaker 1 16 catches, 165 yards, three touchdowns. Sheesh.
That is crazy. Yeah.
So even Jerry Rice is impressed by Jerry Rice's stats.

Speaker 1 That's.

Speaker 1 Seriously, so someone's going to start that for us because we have a million people who listen to this, not to brag, but someone will start that

Speaker 1 and run it and be like this week in Jerry Rice history.

Speaker 4 I'm also very impressed by, like, I've always looked back at your career and kind of admired the fact that you came into the league and the knock against you was you might not be that fast.

Speaker 4 You might not be faster. In fact, Aaron Donald ran a faster 40 time than you did.
Right. And he's, you know, 280, 290 pounds, big guy.

Speaker 4 But when you got on the field, when he put the pads on, either you got a lot faster or everybody else that was fast without pads got a lot slower.

Speaker 1 Which one do you think it was?

Speaker 7 I got a lot faster because I knew people, they were trying to hurt me. And when someone is trying to hurt you, you have the tendency to run a little bit faster.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 So whenever I got out in front of someone and uh

Speaker 7 and i was like that's the way i i i used to really think and that gave me that little extra boost that i needed to uh get into the end zone but yeah that's the way i looked at it four six forty i'm starting to think that pete the horse wouldn't have won the control but let me ask you i'm gonna i'm gonna tell you this probably during a football game i was running four twos four twos yeah damn because you were scared

Speaker 7 because i was scared and i used that uh-huh i used that to my advantage yeah now if you line me up just to run a straight 40,

Speaker 7 I'm not going to run a good time.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But you need someone chasing you.

Speaker 1 Or you need to chase Pete the horse.

Speaker 7 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 we're a no-doubter Hall of Famer. But do you think,

Speaker 1 when you look at someone who is up for the Hall of Fame, do you think postseason success and those big moments changes? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 Exactly. Because I felt like you go back and you look at my postseason.
I was always at my best.

Speaker 7 You know, you go back during the season, like during the season, you look at Sunday night football, Monday night football. I was always at my best.

Speaker 7 So you have to be able to perform at a certain level when everything is on the line.

Speaker 1 What was your favorite Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 I like them all. Give me the charges.
I'm serious.

Speaker 7 From Super Bowl 23, you know, the final drive. From Super Bowl 24 against the Broncos, where we beat them 55, I think 55.

Speaker 1 55 on them. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Then Super Bowl 29. I think they all brought something special, but it's like they meant something to me because I was always nervous.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 You know, you hear people say, oh, it's just another game. No, it's not.
It's the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 And if you don't win,

Speaker 7 you know,

Speaker 7 no one is going to remember the loser. Right.

Speaker 1 So it's always that.

Speaker 7 Hey, guys, I'm going to tell you

Speaker 7 my first Super Bowl, I remember playing that game over and over the night before because we always put the first 15 plays in.

Speaker 7 So I knew exactly the opportunities that I would have during the game. So I'm up playing this game all night long.
I wake up the next day. Then, you know, I can't eat.

Speaker 7 I never eat on game day, you know, because

Speaker 7 I got these butterflies going on. I'm nervous and stuff like that.
And the Super Bowl is not till late on that evening. So I go to the stadium, which I always go on the first bus.

Speaker 1 Silverdome?

Speaker 7 Right? What's Super Dome?

Speaker 1 It was in Miami. Oh, Miami.
Okay.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so I go to, I go to

Speaker 7 on the first bus, go to the stadium, put my uniform on, decide to relax on this table, fell asleep. Fell asleep.
And I could hear my teammates as they walked by, like, what is going on with him?

Speaker 7 This is a Super Bowl. And he's just, you know,

Speaker 7 he's sleeping. He's taking a nap.
But I had prepared. I knew exactly what I wanted to do.
Now I just had to carry that to the football field.

Speaker 4 So speaking of guys that have had a lot of postseason success and talking about what that means for their legacy, a lot of people recently have been talking about Julian Edelman and the possibility that he might be a Hall of Famer because of what he's done in the postseason.

Speaker 4 Julian Edelman also took your daughter to prom, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Did you have any words with Julian before that?

Speaker 1 Of course I did. Hey, you know what? Of course I did.

Speaker 7 I just can't share it with you guys. Yeah.
You know, I just can't say it over the air and stuff like that.

Speaker 7 No, no, but you know, with

Speaker 7 Ellen, what he's doing for the offense, but he's just like, he's just a tough guy.

Speaker 7 Look at, you know, like last night, that catch he made, then he just threw his body in the air and stuff like that,

Speaker 7 you know, to get positive yards.

Speaker 7 But I think eventually they have to start looking at those

Speaker 7 smaller guys, you know, what they do. The ball is not, I don't think, ever going to get thrown down feel as deep as it used to be in the past.

Speaker 7 It's all about those little short passes and being able to do something with the ball.

Speaker 1 Speaking of which, you have so many records, but I feel like

Speaker 1 if you're a quarterback or a wide receiver in the NFL, your record's going to get broken because of the way the league is moving.

Speaker 7 It's a passing league.

Speaker 1 Right. So are you,

Speaker 1 when a record gets broken, although you're still, it's going to be very hard for someone to break your receiving yards record, I would assume. Well, how far away is Larry?

Speaker 7 He's, I think.

Speaker 1 I still think he's got ways to go.

Speaker 7 I think about 400 or something?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so that's... I don't know if he's got that.

Speaker 7 Oh, well,

Speaker 7 I know exactly where he's at. I know he's got to be somewhere close.

Speaker 1 Right. So do you get

Speaker 1 when you lose a record? How does that, like,

Speaker 1 are you mad? Are you happy? No, no.

Speaker 7 I'll be the first one to congratulate you. Okay.
You know, because I didn't play it for the records.

Speaker 1 Larry Finnish.

Speaker 4 He's 6,000 yards behind me.

Speaker 1 Oh, you got this. So actually, your receiving record all time was probably untouchable.
I was sweating. It is.

Speaker 1 It's like the touchdowns and everything.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Because behind you, there's Larry, and he's probably got maybe one year left in him, if that.

Speaker 7 Terrello Owens. But reception-wise,

Speaker 7 how many is he?

Speaker 1 He has 200. He has about 200 to go.

Speaker 7 About 200 or something.

Speaker 1 So he could catch whatever. He could do that.
He could catch that. If he plays three more years, maybe three, four years.
I don't know. That's a lot of years.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's the longevity of your career is incredible. You said it yourself.
Like, four years is the average. Is that...

Speaker 1 Can you point to all the training? Do you think that's what I'm doing?

Speaker 7 I think that's really something that I'm proud of.

Speaker 7 You know, that I was able to commit to something like that and still love it today, you know, because it's like whenever I went to practice, I felt like I wanted to learn something, you know, not saying I would wake up and say, oh, I got to go to work today

Speaker 7 and just going through the motions.

Speaker 7 And I think the thing is that really helped me to excel on the football field.

Speaker 4 Was there ever any times throughout your career, and you were fortunate enough to play on some really, really good teams, where you had kind of a down season or a bad time?

Speaker 4 And did that impact your love of the game and in turn affect like how much you wanted to work at it?

Speaker 7 You know, guys, I think one thing that really

Speaker 7 helped me,

Speaker 7 and I'm going to say this, because when we lost to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and I was with the Raiders, because I was always used to winning Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 They had all your plays.

Speaker 7 And we ended up losing that one. And still you have obligations that you have to fulfill with the media and stuff like that.
Now, here I am. I'm so used to, you know, just winning.

Speaker 7 Now, I, you know, I lost. But still, being able to,

Speaker 7 you know, do what I had to do with the media, do with what I had to do with the fans and stuff like that. I think I learned more about losing than winning.

Speaker 7 Because when you win, everything is just great. And stuff like that.

Speaker 7 And I remember when we lost that game, when I got back to my room, I went to my room, I sat on the bed for a second, and I cried like a baby because I was like, I cannot believe we just lost the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 But now you got to gather yourself and you got to go downstairs.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.
Right. Well, you also had like three and a half quarters to realize you lost that Super Bowl because you guys got killed.

Speaker 7 Well, thanks a lot.

Speaker 7 I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 You got smoked. Yeah.
I mean, Gruden had all the plays.

Speaker 7 It's a good thing I got thick skin, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Well, and three other Super Bowls. That helps a little bit.
Yeah, yeah. Helps a little bit.

Speaker 1 Is it harder to catch a spiral from a lefty or a righty?

Speaker 7 Lefty.

Speaker 7 And I had a trainer that was a lefty. He threw me so many balls.
And Steve used to really piss me off, though, because when Steve first came into the league, Steve was more of a running quarterback.

Speaker 7 So here I am. You know, I'm like, I'm running my route, and I'm thinking, okay, the crowd is cheering.
They see me

Speaker 7 about to get open and stuff like that.

Speaker 7 But Steve was running up my back. Right.
You know, because he was running the ball and stuff like that. But we became a great tandem, just like I was able to become a great tandem with Joe Montana.

Speaker 1 What was the ending like there in the locker room when it was clear that Steve was going to be the future and Joe was going to move on?

Speaker 7 It was tough because I thought of Joe as God.

Speaker 7 And I'm like, God is never going anywhere. And Joe decided to move on to Kansas City.
Then Steve became the guy. Now, everything that I had developed with

Speaker 7 Joe, I had to put that on the back burner and I had to make Steve, you know, a better quarterback. And I was always able to do that with whoever was behind center.

Speaker 4 Was there a moment where you knew that it was going to work out with Steve?

Speaker 7 I was going to make it work because I was going to bring the best out of him. You know,

Speaker 7 if he had certain strengths

Speaker 7 in different areas and stuff like that, I was going to tailor to that.

Speaker 7 And I think, you know, through repetition, working during the week and stuff like that, we got on the same page.

Speaker 7 And, you know, that's just like the game I was watching, you know, with the Cleveland Browns and stuff like that. And you got Odell Beckham,

Speaker 7 and he has a chance to win the game one-on-one, and you don't throw him the football. So you have to, you know, get on that same page.

Speaker 1 It's interesting, the lefty-righty thing, because I never really thought about it.

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah, the ball spins a different direction.

Speaker 1 Right, yes.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you had to basically retrain how to catch the ball.

Speaker 7 Because I had never caught a ball from a lefty, and I had a trainer that would just throw me balls after balls doing certain drills, then it just became natural.

Speaker 1 How many catches do you think you've caught in your life?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 This is like Wilt Chamberlain. I professional catch.

Speaker 7 I couldn't even tell you.

Speaker 1 A million? Do you think it's a million? Yeah.

Speaker 7 How many is that? That's just like, you know, how many professional catches have you had?

Speaker 4 Because I would take

Speaker 7 1,549.

Speaker 1 But you don't keep track of that. Yep, I'm checking.
That's right.

Speaker 4 I would say.

Speaker 1 I just knew that off the top of my hand. So how how many would you catch in practice?

Speaker 1 I couldn't tell you. We got to figure this out.

Speaker 1 I want a stat. Like, Jerry Rice caught this many passes in his entire life.

Speaker 1 I think it might be a million. Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's just like autographs.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 I couldn't even tell you. Yeah.

Speaker 4 How big are your hands? I shook your hand and it was like Jimi Hendrix's hands. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I thought I had big hands, but then I ran into Shaq.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 And it's like he shook my hand and my hand just completely disappeared.

Speaker 1 Well, here's a stat. It's another Jerry Rice stat.

Speaker 1 Probably because of your hands being large. You played 19 seasons in the NFL, 20 seasons, 2020.

Speaker 1 You had 19 fumbles total. 11 lost.

Speaker 1 That's insane.

Speaker 1 11 fumbles lost in 20 seasons. That's crazy.
So, Job Security is a little bit more than that. Why are you bringing these

Speaker 1 machine, Jerry?

Speaker 7 Wait, why are you bringing these

Speaker 7 memories back up?

Speaker 1 See, you're so competitive. You think that is a bad thing? You fumbled.
That's bad. Like, I I fumbled 11 times.
Yeah. God, that's bad.
That's how competitive you are.

Speaker 1 That's conceived. I saw that, and I was like, how did he only fumble 11 times?

Speaker 7 I think we all want to really be perfect.

Speaker 1 You were as close to perfect as you get, and you're still mad about it. No, I had 11.
All right, here, I'll clean it up with this. Here we go.

Speaker 1 If you started Jerry Rice week two, 1995, he had 11 catches, 167 yards, and two touchdowns. If you started Jerry Rice week 14, 1985, he had 10 catches, 241 yards, and a touchdown.

Speaker 1 That was your breakout game.

Speaker 4 All these games are like over 30 fantasy points.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 4 Easily. Probably over 40, most of them.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 1 When you had your breakout game in your rookie season,

Speaker 7 that was the third game in the season against the Rams. I remember that.

Speaker 1 Oh, I was counting it as the week 14 game that I was talking about. You're saying that

Speaker 1 your breakout game was already.

Speaker 7 That was my comeout game.

Speaker 1 Week three?

Speaker 7 I think it was week three because I became the starter, and we played the Rams. And that was the game I went into where I knew exactly what to do.

Speaker 7 I didn't have to think about what I had to do on the football field, and I was able to just go play football.

Speaker 1 No, wait, that was week 14 against the Rams. Week three was against the Raiders.
Week 14 is the one I was talking about. 10 catches, 241 yards.
I would say that's your breakout game. Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 Because you had, you know,

Speaker 1 you averaged, you ever like three, four touchdowns?

Speaker 7 I'm a little confused because I don't keep up with my stats.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's right. That's right.
So you have your breakout.

Speaker 7 1,549 receptions, 208 touchdowns, 22,895 yards.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Over 11 fumbles. Lost.

Speaker 7 Over 37 records.

Speaker 1 Caught Pete the horse. Yeah, Pete the horse.
17 times.

Speaker 1 So Bill Walsh, though, I'm curious. He's a fascinating guy to me, someone who revolutionized football.

Speaker 1 When you sat down with him, what was the type of things he would do as a coach to make you better or bring the best out of Jerry Rice?

Speaker 7 Well, he never let you get comfortable.

Speaker 7 He never would let you get comfortable or anything like that.

Speaker 7 And Bill,

Speaker 7 and I'm going to tell you guys this story here because it was by accident that they drafted me because

Speaker 7 the San Francisco 49ers, they were in town. They played at the New Orleans Saints, in New Orleans.
They had checked into the hotel.

Speaker 7 Bill was flicking the channel and they were showing some old highlights of Mississippi Valley State that Saturday game.

Speaker 7 And he noticed me running across the television, catching balls, and running away from everybody. He went back and told his scouting department, we got to look at this guy, Jerry Rice.

Speaker 7 So they went back, they looked at me, and then they traded down to get to that 16th spot because they traded with the New England Patriots to get to that 16th spot because I thought I was going to be a Dallas Cowboy.

Speaker 7 They had the 17th.

Speaker 7 And then I got drafted by the Niners.

Speaker 1 So history. So

Speaker 4 when he would do an install meeting or something like that,

Speaker 4 and he was going over your film, how hard would he coach you? How critical would he be?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 very critical.

Speaker 7 But I think it made me a better football player because

Speaker 7 when you sit there and you watch the film as a team and you're not giving 100% or you're not doing your job, it's right there.

Speaker 1 you know, on the film.

Speaker 7 And he would do that.

Speaker 7 He would have the offense and the defense. If we had a bad game, sit there and watch each other.

Speaker 7 So you have to be accountable.

Speaker 4 You saw a lot of great coaches come through there, too. You had Mike Shanahan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Mike Holger. Mike Hongren, all these guys.

Speaker 4 A lot of football guys.

Speaker 7 And a lot of those guys went on to become head coaches.

Speaker 4 So what Bill Walsh was able to do, his coaching tree became enormously successful. at their own right when they went on to other jobs.

Speaker 4 You see a coach like Belichick, and his coaching tree sometimes struggles with that sort of thing. So what was Bill Walsh's approach with his his own coaches?

Speaker 4 Did you ever see him like try to manage them? What was his attitude that he would have with them?

Speaker 1 You know, I think he just led by example.

Speaker 7 I mean,

Speaker 7 what he expected of his players, the way we practiced, we had to hustle to every drill.

Speaker 7 Because if you don't practice a certain way, you're not going to be able to carry that on to a game situation or a big game.

Speaker 7 So, preparation was everything for us, and I think that was the thing for him.

Speaker 1 All right, I have one last question. We're with Jerry Rice, America's game, the NFL at 100.
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We have a guy here from Mississippi. I think he's from like five minutes away from you.

Speaker 1 I'll introduce you after. Yeah, yeah.
Okay. And he asked, I said, hey, anything because he's a hero of yours.

Speaker 1 I asked him anything I should ask. And he said, You're a hero of his.

Speaker 1 He's a hero of

Speaker 1 yours.

Speaker 1 yeah Brandon Walker is a hero of Jerry Rice's yeah yes correct you you love this guy so he he asked

Speaker 1 all-time Mississippi football players can you rank them Walter Payton Jerry Rice Brett Favre Steve McNair

Speaker 7 all-time

Speaker 7 I love I love sweetness okay number one I would say then myself okay that's a very smart classy move by you

Speaker 7 I think Brett.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 1 Aaron McNair. Yeah.
Who's pretty good on Westmore?

Speaker 1 Any other Mississippi Mississippi legends? I don't know.

Speaker 7 I actually don't know. But Walter Payton, man, sweetness.
God, I remember I used to idolize that guy. I had a brother that played at Jackson State, too.

Speaker 7 And my brother at that time told me they were running like the wishbone.

Speaker 7 So that was not a good place to go for a receiver because if they run into the wishbone, they're not going to be throwing the ball that much.

Speaker 7 But I remember when he went into the league and he used to have those kangaroo shoes, all of that, and how he would punish people when he ran the football. So I sort of like idolized that guy.

Speaker 1 Okay. Mississippi, good football.

Speaker 4 I got two last questions for you. First of all, were you ever upset that you didn't get a cooler nickname from Chris Berman? Because he was always around those 49ers teams back in the day.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he was always picking us to win the Super Bowl, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 You know, I have had my share of nicknames.

Speaker 1 Fifi? Yeah, yeah, Fifi.

Speaker 1 How'd you get that one?

Speaker 7 Because of my hair, man. I had that Fifi look and stuff like that.
They used to call me Jerry World Rice because I used to, they felt like I could catch anything in the world.

Speaker 7 And they used to call me, they used to call me Flash 80.

Speaker 7 And this one guy, Jamie Williams, started there, he would go, Flash.

Speaker 1 Ah!

Speaker 7 You know, just like that. So, yeah, you know, just, yeah, I have had my share.

Speaker 4 I think Boomer called you Jerry Minute Rice.

Speaker 1 Did he do a rice-arony, too? He probably did a San Francisco treat. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 But it wasn't as good as some of his other ones.

Speaker 4 He brought out the heavy hitters for other people.

Speaker 1 I guess you probably didn't need a nickname.

Speaker 4 You kind of let your game speak for itself. My last question, this also comes from somebody who works here.

Speaker 4 His name's Tyler at TylerIM on Twitter. He wanted to know how much stick'em is too much stick'em.

Speaker 7 Well, you know what?

Speaker 7 I'm not even going to respond to that because I'm way above that. There you go.
My thing is, I played the game the right way.

Speaker 7 And I, you know, hopefully I was able to entertain a lot of people. And I had fun.
And that's it.

Speaker 1 That was a clown question.

Speaker 7 So, you know,

Speaker 7 you know, the thing is, people are going to have their own opinions. And I feel like I'm way above that.
But when you go back and you look at everything,

Speaker 7 and guess who's

Speaker 7 been picked by USA Today, number one? Jerry Rice.

Speaker 5 Jerry Rice.

Speaker 1 If you started Jerry Rice in the Super Bowl in 1994 in your Daily Fantasy League, he had 10 catches, 149 yards, and three touchdowns in the Super Bowl. Pretty good.

Speaker 1 Interesting. That's a pretty good stat line.
So

Speaker 1 we need to get that up there, the Jerry Rice today. Yeah, I think that's pretty cool.
The time portal. Yeah, I think I'm pretty, I like that.
I like that. Let everyone know the stats.

Speaker 7 But you know what? And you guys are GOATs, man. Oh, thank you for that.

Speaker 7 And I appreciate you guys.

Speaker 7 And I know all the the hard work that goes into this. Appreciate that.

Speaker 1 Goat. Okay.

Speaker 7 Thank you. Goat.

Speaker 1 Jerry Rice. Awesome, man.

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The Astros have been cheating and cheating a lot.

Speaker 1 So are we saying this is definitively true?

Speaker 4 It seems pretty close to being true because they've got...

Speaker 4 former players they've talked to anonymous people from the team behind the scenes as well as pitchers that pitched against them when all this was going on. The team's pretty airtight.

Speaker 1 I saw John Boy put together a clip. Did you guys see it? Where he basically broke down.

Speaker 1 The Astros had trash cans that they were banging in the dugout very loud whenever there was an off-speed pitch coming.

Speaker 4 Were they also doing it for the away teams when Justin Verlander was pitching? Yeah. Because that would explain a lot, actually.
That would.

Speaker 1 First of all, this is pretty fucked up,

Speaker 1 but also good for baseball because it gets baseball talked about.

Speaker 1 A.J. Hinch, the manager for the Astros, also was like, every time it's been brought up, I think there was a whistling controversy, and he was super, super arrogant about it.

Speaker 1 The Astros, has there ever been a team that has like fallen off in the public conscience more than the Astros in the last month?

Speaker 1 Probably not.

Speaker 4 It's been a rough month for Houston fans.

Speaker 4 I was going back and looking at what happened during the Yankees series this year, and so the whistling accusations were coming from the Yankees saying that they would do the same thing, except not with the trash cans, with whistling.

Speaker 4 They would whistle when an off-speed pitch was coming. And A.J.
Hints, the manager, said, it made me laugh the accusations because it's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 Had I known it would take something like that to set off the Yankees, we would have practiced that in spring training.

Speaker 1 So cheating and cocky about it. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 So how long from now until the Cardinals copy what the Astros

Speaker 4 and they start cheating too?

Speaker 1 The Astros. So what's the punishment? I don't don't even know.
I mean, first of all, we should give Clayton Kershaw a World Series for 2017. Okay, yeah.
So we should update his resume.

Speaker 4 Make the Astros move to London.

Speaker 1 That would be good. But this is like, this actually is kind of a big deal if this is proven to be true.
And I don't know how deep you can get into it.

Speaker 1 I think they'd probably have to have a few more sources. But it came from a guy who played for the Astros, then got traded.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So. It seems pretty.

Speaker 1 It seems like it's pretty realistic that it actually did happen. and it's blatant cheating.

Speaker 1 I like baseball when there is like a little gamesmanship, a little this, a little that, you know, maybe trying to like steal a sign here and there,

Speaker 1 or you know, tipping pitches.

Speaker 1 But this seems like they were actually using high, like high-tech cameras in the outfield, relaying it to the dugout in real time, real time, and then letting the players know, which is so blatantly cheating.

Speaker 1 Disgusting. Could you imagine if this happened? Can you imagine

Speaker 4 using a camera and

Speaker 4 relaying signals?

Speaker 6 Disgusting.

Speaker 1 Have you done that tweet yet?

Speaker 1 Have you done that tweet yet? Somehow making it about.

Speaker 1 I don't do that. You guys.

Speaker 4 They should actually let Roger Goodbye. You guys are the ones that do it, and I have to say something.

Speaker 1 They should let Roger Goodell determine what it is.

Speaker 6 All I'm saying is that what the Houston Astros did is disgusting and unacceptable.

Speaker 1 That's fair. Good.
I'm happy you're standing up there.

Speaker 4 So I agree with you, Big Cat. I think that cheating.
Baseball is a sport for scoundrels. Cheating within reason and gamesmanship is fine.
Once you bring anything that requires a battery into play,

Speaker 4 whether it be an Apple Watch, as some teams have done in the past and gotten caught doing, or the Steelers, or if it's

Speaker 1 a big ben who doesn't know how to use an Apple Watch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 Good point, Hank.

Speaker 4 But once you bring a camera or an iPhone or anything like that into it, it's a little bit over the line.

Speaker 1 But it's an Apple.

Speaker 4 And you can hear, on the video that John Boy put together, you can hear them banging on trash cans. Yes.
Like they're doing a a recital of Stomp Out Loud back in the clubhouse.

Speaker 4 And that's all you hear. Yeah, exactly.
That's all you hear before the pitches. Or maybe it's All Business Pete was running their air conditioning system and their heating system.

Speaker 4 And they've got air in the pipes.

Speaker 5 That's what they should say.

Speaker 1 And I know there will be a lot of people who say this is the worst thing that could happen to baseball because it is blatant cheating. And they won a World Series probably in part because of it.

Speaker 1 I think it's all good for baseball. Any kind of publicity is good for baseball.
Especially, it just gets people upset. Like, it gets people going.
And I would obviously...

Speaker 1 The diehards lose trust in baseball. Well, I would obviously think very differently if the Cubs played them in the World Series, but I'm admitting that.

Speaker 4 If you trust baseball at this point, you're the mark.

Speaker 4 You're the idiot right now if you actually believe that they're in it for you.

Speaker 4 Also, stay woke. This is Awards Week.
So, Monday, they announced Rookie of the Year. Tuesday's Manager of the Year.
Wednesday's Cy Young. Thursday's MVP.
People are talking about baseball now.

Speaker 4 So stay woke on the timing of it. And, well, you know what? A little spin zone.
This is a little do-your-pod for D.C. homers.
This makes the Nationals' World Series title even more impressive. Yeah.

Speaker 4 The fact that they were able to beat them while they were probably cheating.

Speaker 4 In fact, I did a little saber metrics of my own here. I looked up the box scores from this year's World Series on games played in Houston.

Speaker 4 60% of the Astros' runs were scored in the first inning before the Nationals would change how they were doing their signs, change how they were tipping their pitches.

Speaker 4 And Strasburg even said, I think it was after game six, he's like, yeah, they knew what I was going to throw, so I switched things up. He didn't elaborate anymore on that.
But

Speaker 4 it leads me to believe, and other reasonable people to believe, that they were still doing it this year.

Speaker 1 They couldn't even cheat correctly at home, though. They couldn't win a game at home.

Speaker 4 Yep, they cheated themselves. This should be.

Speaker 1 They cheated all of us. How are you going to say this to your kids? Like, how am I going to tell my son that baseball has been ruined?

Speaker 4 Can't. You can't explain that to him.

Speaker 1 I can't. Well, he's four months, so he probably wouldn't understand me.

Speaker 4 You can try.

Speaker 1 I will, actually, tonight.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be like, hey, just so you you know aj hinch is a real motherfucker yeah i'm gonna say that right to his face just put a lacrosse stick instead of a baseball glove under his mattress true

Speaker 1 true big winner of this is lacrosse um all right trouble in paradise skip bayless and ezekiel elliott's family so skip bayless threw out a zeke jersey which was

Speaker 6 come on skip at least put a fucking liner in the trash can to make us think it's real and his microwave i know people do it like when we tweet out videos and stuff so it's like but his microwave was the most preposterously placed microwave.

Speaker 1 Where it was, I thought it was great.

Speaker 4 It was right at penis height. His microwave is built into his kitchen.

Speaker 1 Like it was on the kitchen island.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's built into his kitchen red.

Speaker 1 I don't know who it could be for.

Speaker 4 Skip doesn't have any kids running around. I think Skip probably just microwaves his balls real quick before he goes on the air every morning just to get his takes up.

Speaker 4 That's the only, it's seriously below his waist.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 4 I was very concerned about that.

Speaker 1 So he threw out the Zeke's jersey, which was baffling because Ezekiel Elliott was not the reason why the Cowboys lost. Jason Garrett was the reason why the Cowboys lost.

Speaker 4 But Jason Garrett doesn't have a jersey that he can destroy.

Speaker 1 Well, you could just throw away like a play card or something, or maybe a red water. Throw

Speaker 4 an ill-fitting polo shirt.

Speaker 1 Do you think when the Cowboys have been doing well, do you think that Skip has made Ernestine wear a red wig?

Speaker 1 Or maybe even when they're doing bad and he takes it out on Jason Garrett.

Speaker 4 You mean on a weekend? Yeah. When they're sleeping in the same bed together.

Speaker 4 Ronald McDonald.

Speaker 4 Probably. Yeah, I'd say definitely.

Speaker 1 Skips, by the way, Skip is one of those guys you can just tell is addicted to portrait mode because like all his pictures have that fucking weird thing where it's like blurred in the background.

Speaker 1 It's like, come on, dude. You're in a fucking Cowboys jersey.
You're a weirdo. But anyway, Zeke's mom clapped back and said, pretty much fade on sight, right?

Speaker 4 Said, you're not allowed, I don't want to catch you wearing my son's jersey anymore. That's not a problem because he threw it away into his face.

Speaker 1 Totally threw it away. You know what? It definitely was taken out.

Speaker 4 There's always something at the bottom of your trash can that you just haven't taken out after you keep replacing the liner over top of it, like over and over and over again. Yeah, that trash jizz.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the trash jizz, or maybe it's just like a couple paper towels that are at the bottom of it. Yeah.
Yeah, it's just going to stay down there.

Speaker 1 Zeke's jersey.

Speaker 6 If Stephen A. is the showman that we know that he truly is, he would get Zeke's mom on first take.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 And pull a Zeke

Speaker 1 jersey out of a trash can. By the way, how do we get this far into the show and not even mention this show is brought to you by Disney Plus? That's right.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 they came into our office this morning, held guns to our head, and we have to tweet about them and talk about him all the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's crazy how many people were tweeting about Disney Plus. Stephen A's was so funny because for some reason, when Stephen A tweets an ad, I believe it.

Speaker 1 He was like, I've been so excited for this. I'm so excited.
It's like, he probably is going to watch Mulan Rouge all day.

Speaker 4 I honestly think that Stephen A. Smith gets excited whenever somebody puts money into his bank account.

Speaker 1 Right, but whoever saw Mulan that checked out. Mulan? What's Mulan Rouge?

Speaker 4 Mulan Rouge is Mulan is a great movie.

Speaker 6 I watched it last week in action.

Speaker 4 Mulan Rouge is about

Speaker 4 the strippers that live inside a windmill.

Speaker 1 Mulan is

Speaker 6 the female warrior who fought in place of her father.

Speaker 1 Is that a Disney movie? Yeah. What was the Irish one they got?

Speaker 6 They have like an Irish Disney Channel movie.

Speaker 1 Boo Doc Saints. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 There's like a little, there's a little girl. who's got freckles and she has like fucking bow and arrow and she's like an Irish woman.
Angela's Ashes. No, it's

Speaker 1 Braveheart, I think. I'm thinking of Braveheart.
Braveheart. What? First boot.

Speaker 6 I usually have somewhat of an understanding of what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 This is Disney? Disney, yeah, yeah, yeah. Disney, Irish.
Maeve, an Irish warrior princess.

Speaker 4 Maybe I made that up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think you did. Okay, well, on to what do we got? Oh, guys on checks.
Guys on cheek I. I feel like I'm.

Speaker 6 Hey, Pete, I feel like I usually have... There's one thing that you say that I'm like, that sounds familiar.
None of that.

Speaker 5 An Irish woman.

Speaker 4 Are you talking about the Wendy's logo?

Speaker 1 No, there's a Disney movie.

Speaker 1 Irish. Disney movie Irish.
Google. Luck of the Irish.

Speaker 1 The Luck of the Irish. No.
That's not. Brave.

Speaker 1 Brave, okay. It's a Pixar.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 4 I got it. Pixar is not a bit of a drink.

Speaker 1 Pixars are not Pixar. Look at that.
That's Disney. That's an Irish with a bow and arrow.

Speaker 1 Nailed it.

Speaker 6 Nailed it. When did it come out, though?

Speaker 1 2012. I didn't even see it.
I don't know why I thought this. I didn't even see it.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 4 Uh recently my friend has started talking.

Speaker 1 I was probably triggered that they had a ginger be a hero. It's like I've seen enough Bengals games to know that doesn't happen.

Speaker 6 Recently my friend has started talking to a 40 year old Mormon guy who has never been married. He always seems to avoid her sexual advances.

Speaker 6 For example, she invited him to spend the night several times and he'll just say he can't or he'll say he'll stay on the couch but ends up leaving.

Speaker 6 They've made out a few times, but he'll always push her away when he feels it's getting too intense and says he needs to go. Do you think he's a virgin or why do you think he's avoiding her advances?

Speaker 6 Should she even keep trying to get laid by him?

Speaker 4 I think he's definitely a Mormon. That's pretty common.

Speaker 4 Most of the Mormons.

Speaker 6 He's confirmed a Mormon.

Speaker 4 Yeah, most of the Mormons I knew got married super early because they were like, I really want to have sex, but they are very committed to not having sex. They just soak.

Speaker 4 How about this? Introduce him to soaking.

Speaker 4 And then see what he says. I like that.
And then kind of take it from there. Take it slow with him.
Be gentle.

Speaker 1 I think, yeah, he is just scared of soaking it. He's scared of saying, hey, I know you want to fuck, but really, we're just going to have to soak.

Speaker 1 Soaking seems awesome.

Speaker 4 I would love to. Yeah.
Very.

Speaker 6 Ron actually went to Utah last week.

Speaker 1 I know it's coming up doing a video.

Speaker 6 But apparently, you can't come up with it.

Speaker 1 You can't come when you're soaking, otherwise, it's a sin.

Speaker 4 So you just have to think about baseball while you're just going to lay in there.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, that sounds relaxing, honestly.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 6 Hey, PMT boys, especially above-average height PFT. My name is Helga, after my great-grandmother.

Speaker 6 And my boyfriend has asked me multiple times to go by Ann, my middle name, because he thinks my name sounds like an obese German lady's name. Is he a piece of shit for thinking this?

Speaker 6 Or should I take his advice and go by Anne? I happen to think Helga has a nice ring to it. Should I break up with him? Please help me out.

Speaker 4 You know what? I used to date a girl way back in the day named Elsa. Ooh.
And I kind of felt the same way about that name. And then fast forward like 20 years later, later, and boom, Frozen's out.

Speaker 4 Now, everyone wants to be called Elsa as a cool young name again.

Speaker 1 Names do come.

Speaker 4 Maybe all you need is for Disney to remake Brave, and this time Brave's little sister Helga is the star, and then all of a sudden, it's like you're dating a movie star.

Speaker 1 We should do so.

Speaker 6 You're saying you don't like the name unless they come out with a Disney movie? That's that's what you're saying.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, I'm saying the human mind is an interesting place about that name, is what you said.

Speaker 1 It is crazy, though, that names age out. Like, you don't see Dorothy's.

Speaker 1 Have you ever met a dorothy there was no blake's until like 1970 well now they're the hottest name out i know yeah okay boomer it's true that is crazy that who was the first blake i tried to do some research before this year's blake of the year and i was like oh let's find some historical blakes and it was like oh there wasn't there wasn't blake washington didn't exist patient zero for blakes yeah there's got to be the first blake was it there was probably like a lord blake Blake was a last name.

Speaker 1 Oh, I bet.

Speaker 4 And it was such a cool last name that they just turned it into a first name.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. Okay, I like that.
Ethel. You don't see many Ethels.

Speaker 4 Jones.

Speaker 1 Joan?

Speaker 1 So Joan.

Speaker 1 You guys are avoiding this question. Agnes, yeah, that you do not see a lot of.

Speaker 1 I cannot remember the last time I met an Agnes. Bernice or Anne?

Speaker 1 Helga or Ann? That's what she goes by Helga or Anne. Annie.

Speaker 6 That's what she should go by Anne.

Speaker 1 Anne. Yeah.
I like Helga. Well, keep Helga.
I feel like Helga plays if you're basically Oktoberfest. That's it.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 Huge time here for Helga.

Speaker 1 You're just doing cocaine off a dude's dick.

Speaker 4 Hey,

Speaker 4 as the Germans do.

Speaker 6 Hey, boys, my boyfriend spends, on average, 20 minutes to poop. I timed it.
And it's getting to be a problem.

Speaker 6 We're always late to events, or I'm alone at dinner, or we will be with my parents, and they think he is sick.

Speaker 6 I know he's on his phone, but he says he's actually pooping the whole time, and it just takes a while to get it out. But I always say when you really have to go, it just comes out.

Speaker 6 We've actually gotten into fights about this, and his friends think he spends too much time in the toilet, too. What do I do? Is this normal?

Speaker 4 Help. Feed him more cheese.
There's extra cheese all the time on everything.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 it does take like 20 minutes. What do you want to say? Like, that's.

Speaker 6 But if you need to go fast, you can.

Speaker 4 You can. Sometimes, but sometimes things are out of your control, like how fast it takes to clean things.

Speaker 1 It's just, it's just a relaxing place. It's like going to a spa.

Speaker 1 You know, get them in like to go to spas. I like to take a shit.

Speaker 6 But if your woman going to a spa became a problem, you'd have to address it.

Speaker 4 I would just get a bidet and say, you you get in, you get out.

Speaker 1 And put a timer on it.

Speaker 4 I know exactly how long with this bidet it should take to clean your butt. Yeah.
And if you go anything else, then that's extra, that's free time for you.

Speaker 1 Probably jerking off, too. Well, yeah.
That's a heads up. Probably jerking off.

Speaker 4 Also, if you're at a family function, you need that 15-minute block where you can check your phone. Oh, yeah.
Because when you come out, you can't be on your phone.

Speaker 1 The best is, we're getting into it. We're getting close to Thanksgiving and Christmas.
But the best is the best advice for any family functions is always be the guy who will go run an errand.

Speaker 1 Errand guy is the best. Because you can take as long as you want, and that's just time.
You don't have to be sitting in the house, like, mindlessly doing nothing.

Speaker 6 Why do guys put pictures with professional cheerleaders on their dating profiles?

Speaker 4 We always do. That's like, that's just part of being a guy.

Speaker 4 It's like you scratch yourself sometimes, you take long shits, and when you sign up for Bumble, you have to take that picture that you had at the Ravens calendar girl autographs at Hooters.

Speaker 1 Yeah, at Hooters, and then you have to slap that all over every single social media thing that you have yeah was that wrong was that the wrong thing to do you want to show that you know how to act normal around attractive women even if they were paid to be there yeah by the team and not paid well and uh yeah it's if getting a signature from the entire cheerleading team on your calendar that you bought and brought for that occasion is weird i don't want to be normal yeah and maybe getting the lips when she kissed your hand when you said hi tattooed on the back of your hand that's what guys do.

Speaker 4 It lets chicks know that you're safe and that, you know,

Speaker 4 you can trust me. You can be around me.
I know how to comport myself in the presence of an attractive woman. Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 6 All right, last one. Sup PMT boys, especially holiday Hank.

Speaker 1 What? Holiday Hank. Okay.

Speaker 6 Hank wrote this question. Not anymore.

Speaker 6 Forbidden from holidays.

Speaker 4 We're saying Merry Christmas, by the way.

Speaker 1 Okay. We're not doing happy holidays?

Speaker 4 No, we say both, but we can say Merry Christmas again. Got it.

Speaker 1 You should go up and see the tree.

Speaker 6 I hate that fucking tree. Oh, my God.
I went with my parents when they came the first year. Was it cool? Disaster.
That tree sucks.

Speaker 1 That tree sucks.

Speaker 4 I'm going to go see that. That tree is.

Speaker 6 It's a great place for a baby.

Speaker 1 That tree. I'm not going to bring him a baby.
I'm going to bring you. What are you talking about? You? I was saying we as a group should go up.
That's the worst. Yeah.
I'll bring you. You're my baby.

Speaker 1 I refuse. I refuse to see you.
I'll put you in the stroller and we'll go see the fucking tree, Hank, and you're going to like it.

Speaker 4 It's the most commercialized tree. And as a former Christmas tree salesman,

Speaker 4 it's a spirit. Purist.

Speaker 4 That's not a fucking Christmas tree.

Speaker 6 It can't move.

Speaker 1 So?

Speaker 6 It's a disaster. What's up, PMT boys, especially holiday Hank.
I'm on the fence on whether or not to keep my boyfriend.

Speaker 6 He seems to be yelling at middle school-aged kids on the new Call of Duty Modern Warfare. And it has me concerned for the future of our children together.

Speaker 6 Threatening and calling children ass fucks and telling them he fucked their moms is alarming. Yep.
Please help. With much love.
Epstein. Oh.
Epstein.

Speaker 6 That's not her name.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I played the new Call of Duty, and I got killed like 7,000 times in the first 20 minutes.

Speaker 6 KDR bad, bro.

Speaker 1 So I understand where he's coming from. It's fucking hard.
So keep him.

Speaker 4 Keep him. I think it shows that he's got passion.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and if he was good at it, if he wasn't swearing at people, that means he would be good at Call of Duty. And that means that he puts in way too much time.
So you want that.

Speaker 1 You want your boyfriend in that

Speaker 1 like perfect zone where he wants to play video games, has fun with it.

Speaker 4 But then gets smoked so bad.

Speaker 1 That he's like, fuck this. I'm out.

Speaker 4 You hear that sound? Off-speed pitch coming.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree. Astros.
You would be...

Speaker 4 Callback joke, shout out to Mark Titus. You would much rather.

Speaker 1 So that's a callback of a callback.

Speaker 4 Yep. You would much rather date somebody who sucks and is pissed off about sucking than someone who's really good and nonchalant about it.
Right, right. Then you're in for trouble.
Yes, I'd agree.

Speaker 4 Like if he gets killed and he goes, so it goes. Then he's a nerd too, because he's making literary references.
He's a nihilist.

Speaker 1 He's like, I don't give a fuck if I die in real life or in fake video games.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so it sounds like you got a keeper. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's passionate, passionate man. All right.
That's our show. Who do we got? Oh, I think we're gonna do Rick Ankeel on Friday.
This is a good interview, really good interview.

Speaker 6 Question: Live question behind the scenes question:

Speaker 6 For Triggs, would you say he's a pitcher or a batter and what team?

Speaker 1 Both, both, Cardinals, both.

Speaker 1 Yes, okay. How do you do that? He's definitely a Cardinal.
Triggs, figure it out, dude.

Speaker 4 All right, a pitcher and a batter. He could be pitching to himself.

Speaker 1 Here it is. How about that? Yeah.

Speaker 4 He could be throwing a wild pitcher.

Speaker 1 No, we won't. Yeah, there's only break.
Whatever. All right.
Okay. We'll see everyone on Friday.
Love you guys.

Speaker 1 Drink on me.

Speaker 1 One, two, three, go.

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