Herm Edwards, Football Smart With Warren Sharp + Week 10 Preview

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Speaker 1 On today's part in my take, we have a mega, mega, mega show for you. We have Coach Herm Edwards.
We have Warren Sharp. We get football smart with Warren Sharp.

Speaker 1 He should actually make that like a saying, like, get sharper with Warren Sharp. That's pretty good.
Warren. Yeah.
There you go. Warren Sharps versus Warren Squares.
There it is. Yes, there it is.

Speaker 1 So we have those two guys. Then we also have our good friend Matt Jones, who doesn't have a radio show anymore, in for FAQs.

Speaker 1 He can handle his politics on these political shows. We're going to let him have a platform for his Kentucky sports.
He's getting all backed up and he needs a release.

Speaker 1 I know it's no-nut November, but he's got two days' worth of Kentucky sports takes he had to get off the ship. So we let him do that.
And we also have an NFL week 10 preview, LSU, Alabama.

Speaker 1 What a football weekend coming up.

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Speaker 1 Today is Friday, November 8th, and Phil Rivers just threw another interception. Something tells me that John Gruden is not going to be gassing up Phil Rivers after this game.

Speaker 1 So we're taping this in the middle of the third quarter,

Speaker 1 and essentially, Phil Rivers has thrown eight picks, like six of them have been called back. It's a neck-and-neck game.
The black hole is buzzing, but more than anything, PFT,

Speaker 1 it's a fullback game. It's a fullback off.
We are all gritnesses tonight. Not only is it a fullback off, but it's a Wisconsin fullback off.

Speaker 1 The cradle of grit. We've got Alec Ingold on the Raiders, scored a touchdown on a beautiful Spider 2Y banana.

Speaker 1 And we've got the Watt brother, our favorite Watt brother, Derek, DJ Watt. DJ Watt's playing for the Chargers, too.
DJ Watts. So, yeah, it's fun to watch.
Also, a great uniform game. Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 The silver, all-silver-white versus the powder blues. The black hole is buzzing.

Speaker 1 It's just great to have Phil Rivers' stupid face and John Gruden's even stupider face and Mark Davis's extra stupid face all in one stadium. Watch it.
Watch it. They're just the sweetest faces ever.

Speaker 1 You're saying that about Mark Davis just because he has such a high haircut that there's more face for you to judge. Would it be weird if I took

Speaker 1 maybe got like a really nice high-res photo of all three of their faces and put it prominently in my house? I was going to say, just make them into one.

Speaker 1 Like, if they were a thruple and had a baby, what would it come out looking like? We should do, okay, idea here. Someone make sure we do this.
Maybe Triggs can do it for us. We need to have a

Speaker 1 like Last Supper, Jesus's Last Supper.

Speaker 1 But with all the stupid faces.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they are

Speaker 1 so good. And you could come up with so many stupid stupid faces.
Is Jim Caldwell staring directly into the camera? Yes.

Speaker 1 Please, the idea, Triggs, you're probably listening to this. It will take time.
We understand. Take your time, but we'll make a list for you of the all-time dumbest faces.

Speaker 1 I don't want to say there's some friends that we probably shouldn't put on there. Who are you going to say? Just

Speaker 1 initials.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to say it. TC.
No, no, no, no, no. TC.
He has had faces that I've taken pictures. Joe Bucks, big head.
Tom Coughlin? Yes, Tom Coughlin. That's what you make.
Tom Coughlin.

Speaker 1 So we're going to have the face-off. And, ooh, maybe we put Nick Cage and John Travolta in there, too.
I like that too.

Speaker 1 Throw it in the background to last. Pretty much

Speaker 1 the football painting. Yeah, the shittiest painting of all time.
We're going to have it prominently in our studio.

Speaker 1 And instead of like loaves and fishes or whatever was on the table, it's just cans of paint that all these footballers. Footballers.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Split in half.

Speaker 1 Okay, speaking of fullbacks, PFT, we teased this on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 We have the Low Man Trophy coming up. It's going to be the week before the Heisman.
We'll do a live show and everything. It is the nation's best fullback.

Speaker 1 But you have gone out to the panel and you have the initial finalists? The leadership council of the fullbacks. The lead blockership council of the fullbacks.

Speaker 1 And on that list, it's an esteemed council. Not only do we have Hank on there, we've got John Kuhn, we've got Hank Fernelli, Danny Vitalia, Hank Fornelli, we've got

Speaker 1 Anthony Sherman from the Chiefs, we've got Jacob Hester from LSU and from the NFL, you, me on there, Allstadt and Lorenzo Neal, among others.

Speaker 1 I'm going to leave some out for now, but here's the initial list for college football's top fullback, okay? Tori Carter from LSU, John Chenal from Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 Now, here's the thing about Wisconsin fullbacks. I'm probably mispronouncing Cheenel, but John Chenall, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 We've got three different Wisconsin fullbacks on the list because Mike Allstadt also wrote in Alec Ingold. That's good.
So including Alec Ingold, he's eligible.

Speaker 1 Alec Engold, John Chenal, Adam Prentiss from Colorado State, A.G.

Speaker 1 Dillon from Boston College, Kagan Baldtree from Texas A ⁇ M, Darius Bradwell from Tulane, Connor Slomka from Army, Slomka from Army, Ben Mason, the returning champion, the champion, even though he is a defensive tackle, he's gotten in at fullback.

Speaker 1 Fumbled. We're not talking about that.

Speaker 1 He's a good blocker, too. He's awesome.
Richie Worship from Purdue. Brady Ross from Iowa.
Mason Stoke. He's the other Wisconsin guy.
Kyle Pollard from South Carolina. Jake Jackson from Utah.

Speaker 1 Sandon. You're John Ross steening us right now.
Sandon McCoy from from Army. These are the finalists?

Speaker 1 This is the watch list. This is the watch list.
Hey, Hank, this is how we get buzz going for the trophy. Jeremiah Hall is 100 people.
Jeremiah Hall from OU is the last one on there.

Speaker 1 But the watch list is big, so hopefully they'll retweet it or they'll find out about it, give us some promotion. Then we narrow it down to our final group.
Whoever retweets it the most.

Speaker 1 Whoever retweets it the most gets into that final group of five, and then we announce the winner the week before the Heisman Trophy. So very proud of the Lohman Trophy.

Speaker 1 We need to make another actual trophy for it because I don't know what happened to our tire or the beer can or the nail. It didn't make the move.
It did not.

Speaker 1 It did not make the move from the old office. Okay, so that is our Lowman watch list.
We have, by the way, we're on barstoolgold.com slash PMT, barstoolgold.com slash PMT. So we should do a

Speaker 1 week 10 preview. It would actually be funny if we did like a week nine preview and just got every game exactly right.
Just go back and

Speaker 1 it was like a litmus test to see how many listeners listen to this high on Fridays. And they're like, what? I like that.
I like that idea a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we can, I predict that there will be a black cat that runs across the field in at least one primetime game. Oh, shit.
Yeah, that'd be crazy, wouldn't it? Yeah, that would be crazy.

Speaker 1 And we can trap it and make hang

Speaker 1 that can't find it. It's Schrödinger's cat.
It's both alive and dead at the same time. We don't know where it is.
That cat got a little too hot. Like, people...

Speaker 1 The statement that there's not 300 cats at Meadowlands, I don't buy it. Anytime you have to say there aren't 300 cats in our building, 600.
Yeah, there's a shitload of cats in your building. Yes.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's get to our week 10 preview including a little lsu bama talk

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Speaker 1 Okay, week 10 preview starts now.

Speaker 1 Mr. Bisky turned off all the TVs.
Yep, no distractions. No distractions in Hallis Hall.
I actually don't mind this. No,

Speaker 1 it's right out of the Soviet playbook. It's what they used to do in Chernobyl, which turned out really well.

Speaker 1 Cut out all communications to the outside, focus on what's going on in-house, control the message. Listen.
so it's Chernobyl, 5.6 yards per attempt, not great, not terrible.

Speaker 1 Did you just throw that stat in there? What was that stat? That's like 3.6 on the Geiger scale.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay. I was going to say, 5.6 yards attempt, Mitch is definitely not averaging that.
I think that's about you're thinking yards per completion. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Mitch Trubisky turning off TVs. First of all, he got a little misquoted.
It was a little, what happens when a season goes to dumpster fire mode?

Speaker 1 Every Every story becomes like, ooh, the season's a dumpster fire. How can we fit this into the dumpster? We're just throwing trash into the dumpster.

Speaker 1 So I'm pretty sure he just was like, we're trying to keep outside distractions out of this building.

Speaker 1 It became Mitch Trubisky is walking around Hallis Hall with a remote in his hand, literally turning off every single TV.

Speaker 1 I agree with you.

Speaker 1 If you are a sports fan, if you are a quarterback who is maybe not the guy in Chicago, you have have a very relatable moment where if bad news is happening on the TV, you turn it off.

Speaker 1 If your team loses, the most relatable thing all sports fans can get behind. When your team loses a big game, you don't watch Sports Center for the next week.
Nope. You don't consume media.

Speaker 1 When your team is losing or you have a bet that's losing, if you have an under and it's going over, you turn that fucker off and you pretend it never happened.

Speaker 1 That might be the worst part about your team losing a game is the fact that you say that you're not going to watch any sports on TV all week. You're not going to watch any highlights or recaps.

Speaker 1 It's like, I can't tune in to get up tomorrow morning. You can't.

Speaker 1 I can't look at Mike Greenberg's face because he's going to say something bad about my team.

Speaker 1 You can't even watch whatever shitty college basketball game is on because you know that Scott Van Pelt will pop up at halftime and be like, hey, more from the big win for, you know, the Eagles, how they came over the double doink.

Speaker 1 And I'll take shit. I take that back.
I'll always look at Greene's face, but most people wouldn't.

Speaker 1 And I think you touched upon something that's definitely true about shitty sports teams and what happens once they start to become just a trash heap in the middle of the season is the reporters kind of lean into that and they're like, what other bad stuff is happening?

Speaker 1 I think a good term for that is a dumpster hunt. They go on a dumpster hunt to find the dumpster fires that are starting to percolate around the team.

Speaker 1 Khalil Max not giving out candy. Yep.
Mitch Trubisky's turning off TVs. Matt Nagy's saying he's not an idiot and having them throw eggs around.
It all just adds up.

Speaker 1 And it all becomes this stupid thing where the Bears season is an utter disappointment and everyone should be fired. But here's where it becomes really embarrassing.

Speaker 1 This is the zone that you don't ever want to be in. I got an email today from Brett Hogan.

Speaker 1 Don't know who Brett Hogan is.

Speaker 1 He said, hi, with news of Mitchell Trubisky wanting to turn off the television in the Bears facility because of the negative criticism he's receiving, Cam Soda has offered to provide him and the rest of the Chicago Bears with a fun alternative.

Speaker 1 The leading adult entertainment streaming platform is offering to provide the Bears with VIP accounts to its site to chat with models who will talk about anything but football.

Speaker 1 Maybe this will be the motivation they need to get a W on Sunday.

Speaker 1 I have replied to Brett and asked for my own VIP so I can talk about something other than the Bears. I will let you know if that happens.

Speaker 1 Just so that you can also make sure that it's something good that the Bears should look into. You want to make sure that the quality is high.

Speaker 1 There is a certain level in sports like bad season, terrible season, dumpster fire, porn press release. That's the final level.
You know what?

Speaker 1 If the can't lose parlay loses again, they should give us porn press release. Yeah, they should give us one of those.
So on Monday, we don't have to talk about the can't lose parlay.

Speaker 1 We can just watch women strip on a small laptop. Yeah, hey, big cat, I heard you keep losing your can't-lose parlay.
We would like to offer you $100,000 to have sex with three women for 15 seconds.

Speaker 1 You're probably not worried about a playoff seed anymore, but you can worry about shooting one all over your desk.

Speaker 1 It's week 11. Time for a big comeback.
Big Cat, would you like to star in your own porn? Awesome.

Speaker 1 I would consider doing that for the right offer. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Anyone could be bought. Yeah.
I mean, what is it? I'm just doing the same thing I would be doing, anyways. There happens to be 50,000 people watching.

Speaker 1 I would do it if they promised to put in the prices right sad trombone at the end. Right as I nutted.

Speaker 1 Either way, the porn press release is the final level. That's the final boss of your season being shitty.
So that's where the Bears are.

Speaker 1 The other thing I wanted to note: if we wanted to just go to another shitty game,

Speaker 1 well, actually, let's start with this, PFD. Do you have any loser-leaves town? That's kind of a loser-leaves town for Detroit.
Yeah. If Detroit loses, they're done.

Speaker 1 Yes, Dunchain will hang heavy around the neck of MVP Matt Stafford if they can't beat the Bears. I don't see a real loser-leaves town game.

Speaker 1 I think you could maybe throw in the Rams Steelers, just knowing that it would be tough for the Rams to make up up the ground in the NFC West if they go to five and four and similar to the Steelers if they go to four and five.

Speaker 1 But I feel like both those teams will still have at least a shot at it.

Speaker 1 You were addicted to saying that the Steelers are going to make the ground. Oh, I'm still.
I put them in my can't lose probably. I know.
You were addicted to the Steelers this week.

Speaker 1 I'm addicted to their defense. I think the Rams will make the playoffs.
That just might be me thinking back to last year when they were really good. So that's my dumb brain thinking it's 2018 again.

Speaker 1 But I do think that they'll make the playoffs even if they lose this game. Okay, so the other game that I wanted to touch on before we get to our picks.

Speaker 1 The toilet bolt, Giants versus Jets.

Speaker 1 The litter box. The litter box.
I have a quote from Pat Shermer that I love. You ready for it? Yes.
So Dan Duggan, who I think is a reporter for the Giants, said

Speaker 1 they were at the press conference and Pat Shermer, when asked how the losing wears on him, he replied, I'm built for this.

Speaker 1 A built loser. That's tough, dude.
I came out of the wound with a big, with an L-shaped birthmark on my chest. I really only feel comfortable when I'm a disaster.
Well, let's see.

Speaker 1 He's coached for who? The Browns? Yeah. That checks out.
Who else did Pat Shermer collect? He was on the Vikings for a while. They were actually good when he was there.

Speaker 1 But he was a quarterbacks coach. So a coordinator for them.

Speaker 1 But here's where it gets worse, PFT. Dan Duggan also included this in his tweet.

Speaker 1 Ben McAdoo. Three weeks before he was fired from the New York Giants,

Speaker 1 talking about losing. I'm built for this.

Speaker 1 A calm doesn't suit me. A storm does.
So there is precedent here when the Giants coach says they are built for losing. Their days are numbered.
That's a bad thing to say. It's to just be like,

Speaker 1 I have the face of a loser. I am used.
If you want to hire me to coach your losing football team to be a big bunch of losers that don't win, I'm your guy.

Speaker 1 You just, these are, I don't understand how these guys can keep making these mistakes in PR. Like when Matt Nagy says, I'm not an idiot.
Yeah, dude, you probably are now.

Speaker 1 When Pat Treber says, losing, I'm built for this. When Freddie Kitchens says, I'm still learning on the job, don't say that.
Don't say that phrase, Freddie. Don't say that.
Don't do that.

Speaker 1 The one good thing about this game, it's great for those of us that live in New York that are sick of having two games taken over by the Jets and the Giants each weekend.

Speaker 1 At least we're combining them into one that we all are forced to watch. Yeah, that we can just kind of ignore that whole screen.

Speaker 1 All right, should we do some picks? Yes.

Speaker 1 Hank, why don't you start with your favorite? I'm going to go against you and your love for the Steelers because I've seen how this plays out.

Speaker 1 It's definitely, I think there is a sense of like, it's not just you being sharp. I think there's something else where you're just addicted to loving the Steelers.

Speaker 1 So based off that fact alone, I'm going to take the Rams. You're not wrong.
There's something about, I think it's the Colors. I think it's when their defense plays well.

Speaker 1 I think it's the Yinsers and my love for Jensers. When the Steelers start getting frisky, I buy in so hard hard for them.
So I'm fading Steelcat. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay, what's the weather going to be like in Pittsburgh? Because 44 and cloudy. 44.
That might be cold. Might be cold for our buddy from SoCal, Jared Goff.
Oh, don't say that. It might be cold.

Speaker 1 That's all I'm saying. What the heck, PFT? I'm just saying, it might be cold.
That's our guy. All right, PFT, what's your favorite? My favorite is Green Bay by five and a half.

Speaker 1 Even from what Warren Sharp's about to tell us? Well, yeah, because a little teaser. Cali bro Kyle Allen.
I know he's not from Cali. He's from Texas and Arizona.
But this is another cold weather game.

Speaker 1 Oh, that is what he told us. Yeah, it's snowing.
It's snowing in Lambeau right now.

Speaker 1 There's a 25% chance of snow for Sunday. So we could have our first I Love Cocaine snow game.
I'm really looking forward to that. So I'm betting against the warm weather guy in that one.

Speaker 1 Sprinkle the money line on the favorite for that, too. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm going to, with my favorite, this is a really stupid pick, but I'm doing it. I just get addicted to teams that are on their last gasp, and it's like they have to win.

Speaker 1 I'm taking the Browns minus three. It's like you just, I'll just keep going last gasp.
I think I took them last week as my favorite.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I'll probably lose at least three more times with the Browns being like, that was their last one. They can't lose this one.
Yeah, it was their last gasp last week, right? Right.

Speaker 1 This is like the fart getting rid of all the air that's still in their body, but the corpse is still warm. It's a big problem of mine.

Speaker 1 I just think of the desperate team, and I'm like, well, they have to win eventually.

Speaker 1 Hank, you are underdog. Underdog is the Falcons.
Really? Okay. I was going to do a little sprinkling this weekend on a Monday.
If you had a last gas, it would be on the Falcons. Falcons on the road.

Speaker 1 Okay. Dome team, though.
So it's basically like. That's true.
It's like a home game. Yes, yes.
Okay, PFT, your underdog. My underdog is Pittsburgh plus 3.5.

Speaker 1 I'm not getting online, but I think they lose the steel. Wait, that's mine, too.
Get in on it. Really? So you're all in on the Steelers this week.
Yep, everything. Do it.
I'll lose everything.

Speaker 1 I'll lose everything on the Steelers this week. I don't care.
Look at my face. I don't care.
All right, Hank.

Speaker 1 Is it over? Yes. It's going to be Browns Bills.
I feel like that's a defensive touchdown, wonky game.

Speaker 1 Some crazy shit happens. Wonky, huh? Yeah.
Okay. So defensive touchdown.
Defensive touchdown, special teams touchdown. One of their quarterbacks is going to throw an unit.

Speaker 1 21.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Where's the other coming from? Touchdowns. Baker, OBJ,

Speaker 1 long connection. Okay, Okay, that's four.

Speaker 1 Another defensive touchdown. Five.
And a Nick Chubb run. Six.
Okay,

Speaker 1 we got there. We added it all up.
Now, Hank, that's kind of bullshit how you're saying. No, I'm just saying you just need one or two defensive touchdowns to mix it up.

Speaker 1 But there goes classic guest bashing Hank saying that one of our two favorite recurring guests will throw a pick six. No, I just think the Bill's defense is really good.
Baker's hand might be broken.

Speaker 1 That's why he's not playing so well.

Speaker 1 That's a rumor that I said out loud as a total rumor, and Hank was in the room. So Hank's reporting.
Are you you reporting that? From sources.

Speaker 1 Are you reporting that Baker Mayfield might have a broken hand? From sources. Okay.
Wow. Okay.
It would explain his bad play. Wasn't even good enough for my blind dog to report.
So

Speaker 1 Hank will run with it.

Speaker 1 That's why we need the cat to get all the scoops that Leroy as a journalist won't even run. Yeah, the shitty.
People will really get mad because it's a cat.

Speaker 1 It's not like there's the lovable, like, oh, it's a dog, so it's cute, whatever. Right, they would just be like, fuck this cat.
Damn. My over is going to be Jets Giants in the litter box of Met Life.

Speaker 1 I was thinking, what do you think the combined spread on an all-star New York team against an all-star Los Angeles team would be?

Speaker 1 I think L.A. would be favored by six and a half.
Yeah, I'd agree. I'm trying to think.
Quarterback in New York,

Speaker 1 Wildcat. They run the Wildcat.
No, I'd say more because think about how fucking good.

Speaker 1 Think about how good the defensive line for the L.A. team would be.
Yeah, that would be sick. Aaron Donald, Ingram, Bosa, Dante Fowler.
Like, that would be.

Speaker 1 Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones would both die. Yeah, they'd be seeing a lot of ghosts.
Yes.

Speaker 1 All right, my over. I'm going to take cards bucks over 52.
Fuck it. Bruce Arian's revenge game, he's going to run it up.
Cliff Kingsbury revenge game, he's going to run it up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're just going to run it up.

Speaker 1 Was he revenge?

Speaker 1 I'm sure Cliff Kingsbury has dated a stripper in Tampa Bay and then had like, you know, a messy breakup. Yeah, a messy breakup between those two.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, two not great defenses. Yeah.
I like it. I like like it.
Let's do it. Hank, you're under.
Titans Chiefs. Titans Chiefs.
Ooh, I have that as well. Same Z's.
Twin Z's. Mahomes is starting.

Speaker 1 Probably. Maybe.
Maybe not. He could have started last week.
Did you see how fast he ran onto the field to celebrate? Yeah, he was really fast. A little bouncing step.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Nick Wright said today that the Chiefs have already lost their last game of the season. They're going to go on a run.
Well, I did see a tweet.

Speaker 1 I forget who put it out, but it was saying that Andy Reid always goes on runs,

Speaker 1 not docking, not exercise. We know.
So it was a misleading. The one time you don't have to clarify.

Speaker 1 It was a misleading tweet to begin with, but it listed the last, I think, five seasons that he had out in Kansas City. And there was a point during the year where he went on at least a 5-0 run.

Speaker 1 And this year, the run has not yet begun. So they're ready for the run.
So Andy Reid is at the starting line. Stretching.

Speaker 1 He's been just eating power bars this entire time and drinking a shitload of electrolytes. Yes.
Just sugars and getting his stamina up. Okay, your under? My under is

Speaker 1 Atlanta, New Orleans. This is my platinum under.

Speaker 1 This is my platinum. If you put platinum in front of any stars, Falcons are going to be scoring a lot.
They're going to win the game. This is my platinum six-star under.
Nice.

Speaker 1 That's on a scale of five. So, you know, it's good.

Speaker 1 Only $100 a sign. That's the star to ball.

Speaker 1 What's the star to ball conversion rate? My star-to-ball, one. No, like, what is a star in equivalence to ball? A star equals...

Speaker 1 One and a half balls. Ooh.
Okay. So this is a lot of balls.
We're talking like

Speaker 1 eight balls almost in this game. I like it.
I don't know how Atlanta is going to respond under their interim coach that is taking them over this week. Oh, wait, no, it's still Dan Quinn.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's still Dan Quinn. That's who we have.
Dan Quinn still hasn't been fired. How is that possible?

Speaker 1 I actually have it on my fancy road.

Speaker 1 If the Saints were smart, you know what they do? They'd let the Falcons beat them by 50 this week just to maybe have Dan Quinn stick around next year. Yes.
Maybe. That's what you should do.

Speaker 1 You've got some room to play with if you're in New Orleans. We have more NFL talk coming up with Warren Sharp.
We previewed the weekend with him as well.

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Speaker 1 Okay, Fantasy Fuck Boys, Hank, go.

Speaker 1 What's up, boys? It's Carmine Falcone.

Speaker 1 My stardom is your engines.

Speaker 1 Because it's Fantasy Fuck Boys season, and I'm fucking ready to roll.

Speaker 1 Your stardom is this? Your engines. Get your engines started.
Fantasy Fuck Boys time. My sitem is crimson tide.
I prefer my tides to be high or low, not fucking red.

Speaker 1 Certainly not relation to an elephant.

Speaker 1 What about Tide Pods? Go fucking targets. You look like some little raviolis.
And my sleeper is leaving beers outside to get naturally refrigerated. Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 It's as prime lines it gets and it saves you a few bucks for beers. Outside beers.

Speaker 1 Outside beers.

Speaker 1 You ever drink a bush camo beer? Pull out of the snow? Cost beer bro. You have to buy 30 packs just to get the orange one.
Fuck yes.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Yo, what's up? This is I'm Eli the cat. Oh, what's up, Eli? It's a fucking pistol.

Speaker 1 I'm a pissed all over your house, Hank. I'm starting this week, balls of yarn.
Yeah, I'm not talking about what's swinging in between Vic Fangio's pussy little legs.

Speaker 1 I'm talking about playing with a fucking ball of yarn with your crackable little claws, refining into an old-fashioned toilet. Nobody's business.
I'm sitting Todd Girl, that fraud motherfucker.

Speaker 1 He's not a cat owner. He thinks he's a cat owner.
He's just a cat agent, is what he is. You ain't a cat fan, so you had to pick my shit up with your bare hands and throw it out.

Speaker 1 My sleepless sleeper's laser pointer.

Speaker 1 Laser point? Laser pointer is always a great time. Not just for snipers anymore.
I love fucking playing with a laser point. I'll stalk that bitch like a pouncy, brother.
You never heard of before.

Speaker 1 Oh, damn, don't bring up the pouncies.

Speaker 1 Is that it? That's it. That's my sleeper.

Speaker 1 Also, I'm going to take that. My sleeper is actually cat map.

Speaker 1 All right, guys, what's up? It's Mac Aroney.

Speaker 1 My stardom is CBS music.

Speaker 1 Get ready ready for Saturday afternoon. I'm so excited for the big game.
Gonna watch that music. Hope you burn lungers is somewhere having a great time.
I miss you. I miss you, Bern.
I miss you.

Speaker 1 I miss your little fat little cheeks, Auntie Vern. My sitter is sitting stars, load management.
Kawhi just sitting for no reason, but everyone's sitting, and everyone's mad, and everyone's debating.

Speaker 1 And I don't give a fuck. Kawhi's engine.

Speaker 1 They try unplugging them and plugging them back in again. Oh, not November.
My sleeper is Dan Quinn. He's on fire.
Weird. Weird.
That's fucked up. Really fucking weird.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, that's fair as fuck, boys. We got to clean up a couple things.
One, I'm so sick of load management, Twitter.

Speaker 1 Especially, like, in our,

Speaker 1 what are we, November? Well, it makes sense in November. Yeah, but this is like the ultimate boomer debate.

Speaker 1 Fucking Larry Bird and Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson wouldn't take a night off with them. They're playing against plumbers, though.
Who cares?

Speaker 1 Were they playing? And also, let's not degradate plumbers here on the show. Plumbers, I mean, they pull their pants down further than LeBron James in a pregame warm-up.

Speaker 1 So, like, I don't like people saying, like, oh, you know, the guys back in the day, they were used car salesmen. They were, they were construction.

Speaker 1 No, they were actually professional basketball players, too, back then. They just weren't as good as Michael Jordan.
Did you see our boy Trey's tweet today? What? He posted one of those clips.

Speaker 1 It was like the classic boomer. Like,

Speaker 1 if you think load, like, complaining about load management, look what these guys did back in the day. And it was a clip of like the 90s and 80s basketball and just people getting mumbled.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's a Rex Chapman. But there was like, there was two shots that were made.
Yeah. So it was like clearly a compilation of all the fouls.
My problem isn't, it wasn't real basketball.

Speaker 1 Here's what I don't understand. Like, we're debating this, but

Speaker 1 don't we debate like all that matters is rings? And if you don't have a ring, like, nothing else matters. Like, that's basically every debate boils down to rings, right?

Speaker 1 We want our players to go through hell before they get right.

Speaker 1 So, where I get confused is it feels like the people who are complaining about basketball getting soft and everyone sitting are also the people who are like, rings matter the most.

Speaker 1 And sitting guys and load management have shown to work in getting the ring. I don't think that people like Colin Coward would be hypocrites.
I'm not by.

Speaker 1 You're saying that people on TV are saying one thing, but also saying another thing that contradicts it? It's crazy.

Speaker 1 The whole argument is freaking crazy to watch this and be like, wait, but don't you care only about who wins in the end of the season?

Speaker 1 We're not really into load management season until an angry dad writes an open letter to a player saying, like, like i bought seven tickets for my five sons my son to go to a game traveled from omaha yeah to see lebron james play once in this building uh that's when we really get into the the nuts and bolts of it but i i agree with you i think load management it's they should never it's a load of crap it is they should never come up with the term load management they should just say like rest day yeah it's a rest day for them right injured reserve but we know that already is the thing when you try to make it sound way more technical than it really is that's when you open a door for people to come at you i agree with that yeah you're right.

Speaker 1 Load management definitely, when people talk, and also it just doesn't sound good. It's like saying, oh, he's got a thigh contusion.
Yeah. Just say that he's got a bad bruise.
Turf Toe. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Turf Toe is really serious. Yeah, turftoe is very serious.
Just cut it off if I ever get turf toe. But no one thinks it's serious, but it is serious.

Speaker 1 And the other thing, we got to talk about LSU, Alabama. I'm excited.
I think

Speaker 1 LSU is going to, at bare minimum, score a touchdown for the first time in two years, three years. I agree with that.
And then I think they're going to win. I think they're going to win win outright.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Let's go.
And it should be a fun game, too. It's not going to be the 9-6 game that we saw in 2011.
It was just field goals. And I had the over.
You had the over in that.

Speaker 1 But I swear to God, they moved the ball. But you know what? That is a classic game.

Speaker 1 I would rather have the over in that game because I still remember watching it and remembering how great those defenses are. So

Speaker 1 if you lose on an over, it might as well be a historically inept offensive game. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, no, no. It's a good story.
It's the Super Bowl. It's like the Super Bowl.
I lost the Super Bowl Bowl over by 45 points. Right.
And that's the story. Right.

Speaker 1 Imagine you at the water cooler in 2011 the next day.

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 visualizing Cocho in the post-game press, in the post-game like on the field,

Speaker 1 if LSU wins, I don't think I can smile harder. No.
I don't think I can smile wider. Like, that is the greatest

Speaker 1 visualization I've ever had. It would be magical.
It would be beyond magical.

Speaker 1 And they told him he should whisper to Nick Saban.

Speaker 1 There was a caller on his radio show that said, Coach O, if you win, you should whisper in Nick Sabin's ear, there's a new sheriff in town during the half time during the post-game handshake.

Speaker 1 First of all, I don't think Coach O has ever whispered anything. I don't think that he's like a back.
He might slap on his back and say something.

Speaker 1 But I agree with you. That would be a transcendental moment in college football.
I need it. I need it.
It would be amazing.

Speaker 1 The lights at night are the early dusk

Speaker 1 sparkling off Cocho's forehead. Everything.
It's just beautiful to just think about. So we need that so, so bad.
And yeah, I'm excited. It's going to be a great game.

Speaker 1 It should be one of the best games of the year. And

Speaker 1 whoever loses this game, there's still a path. There's still a path, right? Big time.

Speaker 1 More of a path for LSU if they lose it than for Alabama if they lose it. Because Alabama has played...
what, Little Sisters of the Poor? Who else did they play?

Speaker 1 Northwest. Whatever school the Waterboy went to, they beat them by 20.
Yeah, they've played no one. So, yeah,

Speaker 1 it's still alive, but well, LSU, actually, that's not true. If it's not a close game, then it's dead.
Like, if one of these teams gets blown out, it's curtains. It definitely is.

Speaker 1 Like, if one team loses by 20 plus, which I don't think is going to happen, I don't, they're not getting back in it. And if Alabama wins, I don't even think we're getting a smirk out of Nick Sidney.

Speaker 1 No, fuck that. If Alabama wins, I'm so sick of that.
That was the third field goal of the night right there that just got hit. There you go.
It is 17-20, and we've got 25 seconds left.

Speaker 1 All right, let's get to our interviews. Let's start with Coach Herm Edwards.
Awesome interview. Pumps you up like no one can.

Speaker 1 Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 1 Terms apply.

Speaker 1 Okay, here he is, Coach Herm Edwards.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is the head coach of your Arizona State Sun Devils, Herm Edwards.

Speaker 1 Coach, we're going to call you coach throughout this interview, if that's okay. Is that first question? You're fine.
Okay. You're good.
All right, first question.

Speaker 1 Have we come to terms with the fact that that you are coaching the Sun Devils and you said as a religious man, you got to watch out for those devils?

Speaker 5 Yeah, well, I think if you guys have known who I am and how I have fun with the media,

Speaker 5 that was more jokingly than anything else. So I think some people actually said, does he even know that the Sun Devils are like the logo?

Speaker 5 And I had to remind people that actually Frank Cush actually recruited me out of high school to come to Arizona. So

Speaker 1 okay, so that actually brings up a bigger point that I wanted to ask you.

Speaker 1 When you took the job, there was a lot of people being like, hey, why is he leaving this very nice gig at ESPN? He's great on TV. He's going to go back and recruit and get in living rooms.
So

Speaker 1 what did draw you back to coaching? And what made you want to go back to college, not NFL?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 5 coaching the underarm or all-American game for about eight years. A lot of those high school athletes, five-star kids I coached, and it had to be the right place for me to even consider coming back.

Speaker 5 Ray was a good friend, the AD, and Dr. Crowe was the president here.
And we all have the same vision of really trying to

Speaker 5 build student athletes in a way where when they leave this university, they're ready for the world. Most of these guys will not be professional football players, as you guys know.

Speaker 5 I wanted to give back to football, and this was my way of giving back. You know, it's meant so much to me.
I've been very fortunate my whole life. I've been in football.
I've never had a job, guys.

Speaker 5 High school player, college player,

Speaker 5 professional player, then a coach, and then put some makeup on like you guys do. And don't look like you guys have a lot on today.

Speaker 1 No, talk to folks, right? This is as pretty as we get right now. Yeah.

Speaker 5 That's okay. It's good.
You guys are looking good, man, by the way. So, you know, I just wanted to give back, and it's been a blessing, and I'm enjoying it, to be quite honest.

Speaker 1 You do seem like a world champion recruiter, like somebody that would come into a living room and kind of command, you command attention

Speaker 1 when you're speaking with people. When you're out on the recruiting trail, who is the most important person to recruit on a visit? Is it the player? Is it the mom? Is it the dad? Is it grandma?

Speaker 6 Is it the little brother? Who is it?

Speaker 5 It's mom and grandma. There's no doubt about that now.
I mean, it's always mom and grandma because remember, that's their baby.

Speaker 5 You know, they're about to allow him to leave home and who's going to watch over him now?

Speaker 5 He becomes, you know, a little bit of your family when when he comes to university, and they want to know the man in charge, is he going to make sure that he's in good hands? And that's critical.

Speaker 5 And it should be, because that's a big decision for a young college high school kid going to college, regardless of where he goes.

Speaker 5 Who is going to influence him for the next four or five years?

Speaker 1 Now, when you do go into the living room, are you a shoes on, shoes off guy? How does that work?

Speaker 5 According to the home, I always ask, I wipe my shoes off and say,

Speaker 5 you know, shoes on, shoes off. And they'll tell me.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 I take them off.

Speaker 5 I always have clean socks on, by the way.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 now, if you

Speaker 1 know that you might be taking your shoes off, have you thought about maybe doing like a little pitch on

Speaker 1 the socks? So, maybe like a message to the player, or like maybe a play that's like, so you say you're recruiting this big wide receiver, and you're like, hey, look, here's our goal line package.

Speaker 1 You're featured, and it's written on my socks.

Speaker 5 That's a good one. I thought it out.
Yeah. But you make sure the only way you you can do that, though, is have white socks, right? Right.

Speaker 1 Right. Or just a picture of the player's face.

Speaker 5 I've got this socks collection now, so I don't have a lot of white socks. I own the gym socks.

Speaker 1 That's true. I'm not going to be at home.

Speaker 5 I generally don't wear white socks.

Speaker 1 How many pairs of socks do you own?

Speaker 5 Oh, are you kidding me? All those socks I always had on television, you got all those socks I used to have?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 People send me socks. They used to send me socks.

Speaker 1 I was like, where am I getting socks?

Speaker 5 Do you wear my socks? I don't wear socks with faces on them, though. Faces and animals, I don't wear those type of socks.
That's not me.

Speaker 1 Okay. They get stretched out a little bit.
And sometimes if you're trying to impress somebody, it's like, hey, my face doesn't look like that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 You know what I learned, too, about getting stretched out? I mean, the same thing with those tattoos, you know?

Speaker 5 You start off here when you're young, and before you know it, they're down on your forearm.

Speaker 1 True. Very good point.

Speaker 1 Coach, you give excellent pep talks. I used to watch you on ESPN, and they would just have you just give a pep talk to the audience, the viewing audience at home.

Speaker 1 But I want to know, who who does Herm Edwards go to when Herm Edwards needs a pep talk?

Speaker 5 I go to my wife.

Speaker 5 She's really hard now. She's hard.
I mean, she's kind of sits just like it is, you know. She says, what are you doing?

Speaker 5 What are you doing? I mean, you know, my wife is, you know, she's a football fan. And I give you guys this story.
So

Speaker 5 when I left Tampa to come up and take the Jets job, right? And we played Peyton Manning the first game of the season. And Peyton Manning kind of has our way with us, right?

Speaker 5 He throws touchdowns and, you know, we can't really slow him down. And so then we were in Long Island.
We were up at Hofstra.

Speaker 5 So we used to catch the bus and, you know, and you had to go back after the game. It was like a road game almost.
We stay down in the city. So we get on the bus to go back.

Speaker 5 And so she's sitting next to me and she looks and she kind of hits me in the rib. She says,

Speaker 5 I thought you were a defensive coach.

Speaker 5 What are you talking about? She says, they don't tackle. They missed tackles.
He says, you better fix the defense. I said, honey, it was Peyton Manning.
She said, it doesn't matter. We're in Tampa.

Speaker 5 No one ever scored over 10 points. He says, what is all this stuff? She says, you need to fix the defense.
So she's the one. There you go.

Speaker 1 She's the one to get up.

Speaker 1 Your toughest critic. So

Speaker 1 speaking of that, your time in Tampa, your time in the NFL, who is the most talented player you've coached? And then maybe on top of that, who is the guy who you feel like you got the most out of?

Speaker 1 Or maybe not the most talent, but played above his talent.

Speaker 5 Okay, probably the most talented player.

Speaker 5 It was my days actually

Speaker 5 in Kansas City. We had a guy by the name of Dale Carter.

Speaker 5 Defensive back, first-round pick out of Tennessee. He's the most talented player I've ever coached.
I mean, he was unbelievable.

Speaker 5 Probably the guy that got the most out of his ability.

Speaker 5 He's a real good friend.

Speaker 5 Actually, we're the godparents of his daughter. He's the godparents of our son, Marcus, is John Lynch.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Great player.

Speaker 5 GM now in San Francisco's doing a fabulous job with San Francisco 49s. But he is a guy that had talent, but played above his talent.
All here, guys. Smart guy, tough guy.
Smart guys, tough guys.

Speaker 5 Jenley can play football for a long time.

Speaker 1 Were you on that coaching staff when it was John Lynch and Mike Allstott was on there as well?

Speaker 5 Yep. Allstott, Lynch.
Tony was the head coach. Lovey Smith was the linebacker coach.
Rod Marinelli was the defensive line coach. So we had quite a crew.

Speaker 1 Lorenzo Neal has another fullback on there. Now, we're trying to sort something out because we've talked to John Lynch and we've also talked talked to Mike Allstott.
We're trying to figure this out.

Speaker 1 We heard that there was a rule that was put in place in practice that those two guys weren't allowed to hit each other anymore because the collisions were too violent. Is that true?

Speaker 5 Oh, oh, Lynch and Allstott? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. You didn't want that to happen.

Speaker 1 No, that was not happening in our practices.

Speaker 5 No, those are two powerful men. And, you know, that was the old when we used to get in the red zone.
They used to have the...

Speaker 5 that that music about the train, you know, get on the train. When every time we got in the red zone, Allstot, you know, got in the red zone.
Everybody wants us to to run the football with all stop

Speaker 1 so um

Speaker 1 the how many times a week do people come up to you and say you play to win the game uh that's uh during my travels uh that happens a lot kind of ironic because um

Speaker 5 i said it one time

Speaker 1 and i've never said it since no that's a lie because you i say it all the time just and i don't even mean to say it it's just you know when you're watching a game and you're like hello you play to win the game.

Speaker 5 You're one of the only ones that understood the jingle. You said the hello, yeah.
Most people forget the jingle, right? They just go through the other part of it, they forget the hello.

Speaker 5 The hello's that's what sets it apart. Yes, but no, I've only said it one time, and I've actually had people gone on shows, say, Will you say it, Coach?

Speaker 5 I said, No, I said it one time, I don't need to say it anymore.

Speaker 1 Will you say it for us? Because I remember the jingle, no, because you said it so good that it just hello, what about just a hello?

Speaker 5 Good memories, yeah, that's right, good memories. I think it happened actually.
Someone told me last week.

Speaker 1 Yes, 17th anniversary. Right.

Speaker 5 17th. How would it man?

Speaker 1 Perfect. Is that long ago? Yeah, perfect time for you to bring it back the second time.
Here we go. Ready? Herman Edwards, coach.

Speaker 5 I love you guys.

Speaker 1 Hello. You'll get a recruit if you do it.
I'm guaranteeing it. So many recruits do it.
Listen. Here's the problem.

Speaker 5 Most of those recruits weren't even born.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so they need to know it.

Speaker 5 The parents know it. The recruits don't know.

Speaker 1 Grandma knows it. Mom knows it.

Speaker 5 Grandpa knows, and dad knows.

Speaker 1 does it ever make you laugh looking back at that that it's become this iconic catchphrase like it's a big it's a big bastion of like nfl knowledge but in reality it's just you saying something that everybody knows which is you want to win when you play

Speaker 5 absolutely and and i think between that and the fumble play uh that that transpired in new york um when i was able to pick up the ball that's kind of two kind of things that i'm kind of all of a sudden my face goes to those two things right yeah you changed football forever with that fumble play because at the end of games, coaches are forever scared to, you know, run the ball up the middle, kneel the ball.

Speaker 1 Like everything, everyone's got to be scared and tense at the end because they know Herm Edwards and that play that was incredible.

Speaker 1 Can you walk us through the play?

Speaker 5 Actually,

Speaker 5 Yeah, we're standing there, and Doug Coton, who's passed away, now I shook his hand to play before that, thinking they were going to take a knee.

Speaker 5 And then they came out and, you know, there's some some miscommunications about them taking knee two plays prior to that they actually took a knee and a skirmish broke out um bill berge knocked clack into the to the quarterback and so now they were talking about running the ball not running the ball and lo and behold um it was a botched handoff and here's the crazy part about this story so

Speaker 5 as i come around the side because i'm up close to the line of scrimmage The ball is falling and I see it hit the ground and I'm running at it.

Speaker 5 And I'm thinking in my brain, I said, I got to get it on the first hop.

Speaker 5 If I get on on the first hop I got a chance and Joe who's reaching back for the ball I hear him say oh no and I pick it up and I'm running to score so here's the funny part now so Dick Vermill's our coach love him love dick and imagine you're Dick Vermill and the players are standing in front of you and he's talking to the players and he's not paying attention to the field and so the players are starting to run away from him they're leaving him and he's going where are you going one of the players say coach Hermes just scored a touchdown he never saw it oh man that's great he never saw the play that's he never saw it play.

Speaker 5 He just turned around and said, what happens if he just scored a touchdown, Coach?

Speaker 1 He just picked the ball and ran with a touchdown.

Speaker 1 It's wild to think that if it weren't for that play, the Chicago Bears probably would have tried to score a touchdown the other week instead of taking that field goal and taking that knee.

Speaker 1 You're kind of indirectly to blame for that, Chicago Bears.

Speaker 1 No, yeah, that's your fault. I'm not to play.
Don't play me. That's your fault.
No, D. No, guys get scared because of Herm Edwards.

Speaker 1 So they started calling it the Herm Edwards formation before they called it the victory formation because you were the one that kind of put the name on it. Do you call it the Herm Edwards formation?

Speaker 5 I do not. We just call it victory, but I can remember when we first put it in, when I was in New York, a bunch of the rookies, and I would ask them, I said, why is this formation in football?

Speaker 5 And they would kind of look.

Speaker 5 Well,

Speaker 5 all these, you know, these, well, because at the end of the game, coach, I said, well, so I always, I put the tape on

Speaker 5 and they're looking and they're going, coach, that's you.

Speaker 1 And I say, yeah, that's me.

Speaker 5 That's why this formation is in here, right? I did it the same thing when I got here my first year. We put the victory formation in.

Speaker 5 We're talking about we're going to put some formations, you know, the Hail Mary formation, the victory formation. I said, let's look at this victory thing.
Why is this in place, right?

Speaker 5 And all these, now these guys, come on, guys.

Speaker 1 These guys, 1978, they weren't born, these kids, right? Yeah.

Speaker 5 So they're looking at this thing and they're going, and they're looking and they're looking, they're going to coach. Is that you? I said, that's me.

Speaker 5 I said, you know, we had, you know, big shoulder pads.

Speaker 1 And I mean, come on.

Speaker 5 No high definition. We were barely in color.
It was barely color television back in those days, right? So I make the kids watch it. They crack up.
They start laughing.

Speaker 1 So whenever I'm picking games in college,

Speaker 1 your sayings always ring in my head, and no more so than the leave it on the grass.

Speaker 1 Whenever I'm looking at the games of the weekend and it's like, yeah, UCLA versus Arizona State, I like UCLA, but leave it on the grass.

Speaker 1 So can you explain what leave it on the grass means and how you use it to motivate your team?

Speaker 5 Well, it's just a saying that I truly believe in anything you do.

Speaker 5 For us, as football players,

Speaker 5 whatever your energy is and you have in your body, you got to leave it all out there.

Speaker 5 No different when you come to work. Just leave your performance

Speaker 5 wherever you dwell. Just give it all you have.
And then you can always live with the consequences of what happens.

Speaker 5 That's life.

Speaker 5 For us, it's on the grass. You play on the grass.
Just leave it all on there for your teammates and for the game of football, and

Speaker 5 we can live with the consequences of what happens.

Speaker 1 So, leave it in the cubicle. If you're listening to this, leave it in the cubicle.
You guys,

Speaker 5 right there on your stage, just leave it, just leave it right there.

Speaker 1 Give it to your audience, give them everything you can give them, and you feel good about yourself. Leave it all on the internet, yeah.
Leave it in the studio, leave it in the cloud.

Speaker 1 Leave it all in the cloud. Yeah, that's oh, yeah, you want to talk about that?

Speaker 5 So, oh, I don't, I don't press in, I don't mess around.

Speaker 1 That's your that's another hermism. Don't don't hit send, right?

Speaker 5 Oh, but it's your resume,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 5 I tell people all the time, that's your resume.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 In today's world, I don't care if you're going into business, sports, whatever you,

Speaker 5 you can't, it doesn't go anywhere. It's your resume.
It's part of what people look at when they're interviewing you. They're going to find it.
It's out there.

Speaker 5 So when you press in, you better make sure.

Speaker 1 Don't

Speaker 5 press in. Don't do it.

Speaker 1 Don't

Speaker 1 do it. Don't do it.
Leave it on the grass. Don't hit send.
You also said, I remember when you took the job at Arizona State, you said that we don't huddle anymore in today's society.

Speaker 1 We're running like an up-tempo thing and that's part of the problem.

Speaker 1 Have you unpacked that a little bit more?

Speaker 5 Yeah, well,

Speaker 5 what I mean that,

Speaker 5 you know, when you get in a huddle in football,

Speaker 5 it's a great thing in the fact that

Speaker 5 players from all walks of life walk in that huddle.

Speaker 5 And they really don't care where you're from, what color you are, are you religious, are you not religious, what albums you like, you're a country guy, you're a blues guy, you're a rap guy, it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 5 All 11 guys come in there for one common thing. We need each other to be successful.
And sometimes we don't huddle enough because when you huddle,

Speaker 5 there's this sense of, hey, we're together as a team now.

Speaker 5 If we're going to do this, we got to do this together.

Speaker 5 And that's my problem a lot. You know, we don't huddle anymore.
We just kind of all get into our little, think about this.

Speaker 5 You guys are sports fans. Think about whatever team that that you root for.
You go into the stadium and just think of all the people that walk in that stadium from all different walks of life.

Speaker 5 And they're all rooting for that team, right? And then all of a sudden, they leave the stadium and they go into the suburbs, wherever they live, and they have all these other different issues, right?

Speaker 5 It's like,

Speaker 5 why? Just how to talk. That's how conversation generally has a way of working things out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm a Nationals fan. We have oil lobbyists and we have defense lobbyists that all come together under one big tent in D.C.
and root for the same team. It's a beautiful thing to see.

Speaker 1 I'm siding with Arizona State after that speech.

Speaker 5 Come on, baby.

Speaker 1 Let's do it. We need all the help we can get.
Let's do it.

Speaker 5 We're building a foundation. We're building a young football team.

Speaker 1 What other hermisms do you throw out there in the living room? Give me a few hermisms. I love them.
They get me juiced up. I feel like I'm going to run through a wall.
You know,

Speaker 5 I tell people all the time that

Speaker 5 we are all a collection of our choices.

Speaker 5 That's one thing we have. And that's what's great about America.

Speaker 5 You have a choice of what you do every day, you know, and our attitude is our best friend or our worst enemy. It's just how you choose to go through the day.

Speaker 5 I mean, it's your, you, everyone gets the same amount of time every day, and

Speaker 5 you get to choose. And when you don't choose correctly, there's consequences.
And you got to be able to live with the consequences when it's not correct.

Speaker 1 You should be, you're like a preacher/slash coach. I don't really know.
It's something about it. We're

Speaker 1 slash CEO. I miss you on TV.
I really do. Do you miss TV at all?

Speaker 5 Well, I miss the guys.

Speaker 5 I call in every once in a while. And I think, you know, anything we do, like for you guys, what you guys do, I've always learned this.

Speaker 5 We are knowledge providers. You know, there's no coach in the history of coaching any sport that's ever given a player talent.
God gave me a talent. What you give them is knowledge.

Speaker 5 You give them knowledge. That's what you do.
You're a teacher. And that's what I do.
I teach, whether it's teaching football, teaching how to be

Speaker 5 a man, a father, a husband, all those things are a part of the curriculum when you come here.

Speaker 5 Words and actions. That's my saying around it.
Words and actions. Do they match up every day? Because eventually what we do in the dark comes to the light.
It just does.

Speaker 1 Yes. This is all the hermits right here.
But I want to mention real quick: you're such a football guy that usually when football guys leave the

Speaker 1 coaching or the playing and go to TV they say the thing I miss most is the locker room you went from TV back to football and you said the thing you missed most is the locker room

Speaker 5 exactly you missed the players

Speaker 1 about

Speaker 1 TV about TV though yeah you missed you went from Rodney to football and you're like I miss the guys

Speaker 1 yes yes

Speaker 1 you miss you've been in a huddle your whole life it's all you've ever done white you're addicted to huddles you are addicted to huddles

Speaker 5 I'm addicted to the journey.

Speaker 5 When you start the season off, there's always this journey, and you never know the twists and turns it's going to take, but you enjoy the journey with the guys.

Speaker 5 It's just when you've always done that, you're just used to that. It's a fun deal.

Speaker 1 Now I understand why your games are so slow-paced. You just got to huddle.
You got to keep huddling. More defense and huddle.
And it's more football, more time with the fellas.

Speaker 5 That's exactly right.

Speaker 1 Put them in the huddle.

Speaker 1 All right. I have one last question.
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Speaker 1 I was going through the quarterbacks you coached in the NFL. You coached the same guy with just seven different names.
So I'm going to list them.

Speaker 1 And you can tell me your favorite or a story from one of them. So it's literally the same guy.
I'm putting Vinny Tesverti off to the side because he was the old hat in the room.

Speaker 1 But these are all the same guy. Chad Pennington, Brooks Bollinger, Jay Fiedler, Brody Coyle, Trent Green, Damon Heward, Tyler Thigpen.
Those are all the exact same quarterback.

Speaker 5 Ooh.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 oh, oh.

Speaker 5 Chad Pennington.

Speaker 1 Okay, I knew you were going to say that.

Speaker 5 Special.

Speaker 5 Special guy now. Trent Green, special.
Problem is both those guys that got hurt.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 5 Chad, I mean, if you think about Chad, I mean, and I don't know if this is correct, but you guys can look it up.

Speaker 5 Out of the 16 times i want to say the new england patriots have won the division

Speaker 5 only one other quarterback has won it twice it's chad pennington oh that's it think about that yeah okay

Speaker 5 uh trend green fabulous quarterback um got knocked out my first year was an older guy but you know was was was a really good quarterback the other guys were all young players You know, young, they were very young,

Speaker 5 and it was very difficult. But those two guys, Chad Pennington, David David Ewart was a veteran guy.
He came in and spelled Trent when he went down.

Speaker 5 He's a veteran guy, had a veteran presence and all that. But the other guys were very young.
They were rookies. They weren't high-round picks by any stretch of the imagination.

Speaker 5 But Chad Pennington's special now, guys. He's pretty good quarterback.

Speaker 1 You also coached Cliff Kingsbury. So

Speaker 1 was he too pretty to succeed in football?

Speaker 5 No, it was.

Speaker 5 You know, when you're starting to name these guys,

Speaker 5 these were the dog days. This is when going through a season, you play five five quarterbacks Guess what your record's not very good guys

Speaker 1 You don't have a good record

Speaker 1 Coach I got one last thing

Speaker 1 I want to I want to put your recruiting skills to the test here big cat and I we are we're a dynamic duo on the gridiron. We have some eligibility left big cat is my holder.
I'm a solid

Speaker 1 he's a holder. I'm a solid backup kicker.
And we're both glue guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, backup kicker.

Speaker 1 We're locker room guys. We're guys that you want in your huddle.

Speaker 1 So with that knowledge, if you're stepping into our living room here on part of my take, and we'll just say that Hank, our producer, is that's grandma.

Speaker 1 Can you recruit us?

Speaker 1 Sure, I can.

Speaker 5 And if you want a great college experience, if you want to be part of a team, we have a wonderful walk-on plan. It is a walk-on plan.

Speaker 5 No scholarship available.

Speaker 1 You need to know that.

Speaker 5 And hopefully, if you're an Arizona, if you're an Arizona resident, you get a cut intuition.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Okay.

Speaker 5 So, you know, grandma, depending where grandma lives, if she's living somewhere in the north where it's cold, be a great retirement area for grandma.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And retire, watch your grandkids play, be a wonderful thing.

Speaker 1 Okay. Thanks for talking about moving.
I like that. We were immediately demoted to walk-ons, but I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 Well, at least you know the truth.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. You're not lying to us.

Speaker 5 Don't beat around the bush. Just tell the truth.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Coach, thank you for this. Anytime you're in New York or if we're in Arizona, we'd love to visit with you.

Speaker 1 And as you always do with every interview, you want to take us out with the hello. You play to win the game.

Speaker 5 I'm going to say hello. And guess what? Look forward to seeing you guys in Arizona.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're coming. We'll see you there.
We'll be there. We'll bring grandma with babies.
Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 1 All right. Thank you, Coach.

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Speaker 1 And now we got Warren Sharp. And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on our good friend, recurring guest. It is Warren Sharp.
You can find him on Twitter. You can find him at sharpfootballanalysis.com.

Speaker 1 You're giving away everything for free this week.

Speaker 6 Yes, sharpfootballanalysis.com is usually like $100. Everything fantasy, football, props, sports betting, absolutely free.
You just go to the site and you can see.

Speaker 1 All right, so what's the pick? There's a few. Give us the game.
Don't tell us what it is.

Speaker 6 Okay, there's a couple, a couple ones that I really like, one of which I haven't put out yet, but one that I did in Monday Night Football Game.

Speaker 1 I have a strong take on the Monday night game. Okay, nice.
We're going to figure it out. And we have some other theories about what teams you work for now.
Yeah, I just keep a mental list.

Speaker 1 Anytime you compliment or slightly degrade a team's play calling on Twitter, I'm like, okay, another clue. Yeah, has that gotten annoying? Because you get tagged in every single one.

Speaker 1 It hasn't gotten annoying.

Speaker 6 I'm okay with people guessing, but you know what's interesting that's going to throw everybody off, including you guys, is that I have actually been reached out to in the past by GMs who have seen me me being critical of their team and want to talk to me about working with them.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're buddying the water.

Speaker 6 Because they have actually said, like, I'm sitting up there watching the game saying the exact damn things that you're saying on Twitter, and I wanted to talk to you about that.

Speaker 6 And so there's definitely, just because I'm critical of a team does not necessarily mean that I don't have any association with it.

Speaker 1 That means that you want to work for that team in the future. So you're nagging them.

Speaker 6 What I always try to do is I just state facts and truths based on the data and try to be as objective as possible.

Speaker 6 And then if some, a lot of the teams, it's funny, like a lot of people are like, oh, I love your stuff. I love your stuff.
And then I'm negative about their team.

Speaker 1 And they're like, what the hell is wrong with you?

Speaker 1 So we're through nine weeks of the season, coming up on week 10. I want to do something to start here.
We oftentimes throw around the F word. fraud.

Speaker 1 Teams that are maybe better than what they, you know, what they actually are in reality. Like their record is better, whether it be because they played bad teams or they've had some fluke wins.

Speaker 1 You have the stats. We usually just say it, you know, off the cuff.

Speaker 1 You tell us, give us like the one or two teams that you could see, and you don't have to say fraud. We'll say fraud, but maybe we'll regress a little bit in the last part of the season.

Speaker 1 Buffalo.

Speaker 1 Come on. Don't say that one.

Speaker 1 I knew you were going to start with Buffalo.

Speaker 6 I will tell you this. with regard to Buffalo, their second half of the schedule is actually not that hard.

Speaker 6 So they've played a pretty easy first half of the schedule, but they actually are fortunate to face an easy second half of the schedule, too. So I don't think they'll fall off from that perspective.

Speaker 6 But the problem is,

Speaker 6 as much as I love Sean McDermott as a coach and just the motivator of his team, you know, not just his X's and O's, but what he does there,

Speaker 6 you can run on that defense.

Speaker 6 So I'm going to be interested to see this weekend if the Cleveland Browns can help support Baker Mayfield by running the football football a little bit on the Buffalo Bills defense.

Speaker 6 So they're a team that I think, I don't know that I would say they're fraudulent, but

Speaker 6 they can't really throw the ball down the field and execute in that perspective all the time.

Speaker 1 They can throw it far. They can throw it farther than down the field.
Yeah, they're throwing extra downfield.

Speaker 6 True.

Speaker 6 You're right. They can throw it.
Whether or not it's going to be a completion.

Speaker 1 It's a team game like that. It's a team game.
They throw the ball down the field. They don't always catch it.
I think most Bills fans know that they're not all the way there yet.

Speaker 1 they're probably going to the playoffs, but no one, I think most Bills fans know that they still work to do. So what's another team that you could see regressing coming down the stretch?

Speaker 6 A lot of the other teams in the NFC North, so whether it's the Packers or the Vikings, you know, both those teams, twice as many wins as losses at least. And I

Speaker 6 they all have holes. They all have, you know, pretty big problems.
We'll see a prime example here. I love this game.
I don't know if you guys love winter football games.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 But we got this Green Bay game. It's going to be the coldest game of the year so far.
The temperatures that kickoff are going to be around like 27, 28 degrees.

Speaker 6 And we got Kyle Allen, who's played at Texas AM. I think he's from like Arizona.
So he's like a warm weather guy going up into frozen Lambeau.

Speaker 1 That's why Jim Kelly never won a Super Bowl. Miami? Yeah.
Yeah, that's Buffalo.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He had a terrible point there.
Also,

Speaker 1 Dan Marino never won a big one because he was a cold weather guy that went down to Miami. Yeah.
Does he go the other way?

Speaker 6 Did he like the strip clubs hanging out there? I mean, there could be a lot more distractions in the warm weather.

Speaker 1 James Harden style. So Packers, Vikings, you think, not frauds, but have holes.

Speaker 6 Have holes. Like Green Bay, for example, I think Christian McCaffrey is going to be able to run all over that team.

Speaker 6 They rank as one of the worst-run defenses. It's amazing.
You know, a lot of people are talking about Christian McCaffrey for the MVP conversation.

Speaker 6 And I think the good part about more analytics and, you know, statistical intelligence being proffered around the internet and on Twitter is that most people now realize how hard it would be for a running back to win MVP.

Speaker 6 Like, because quarterbacks are what dictates wins and losses right now. Passing is so much more important than rushing the football is.
So I think it's going to be hard for him to ever win that.

Speaker 6 However, that team, the Carolina Panthers, has played the number one most difficult schedule of run defenses on the season. And yet McCaffrey is delivering the season that he is.

Speaker 6 This is the easiest run defense that he will have faced all year. They rank well below average, bottom 10 in the NFL.
And just watch the game. He is so good running.

Speaker 6 I mean, there's a couple different types of runs, power, inside zone. But if you're just like watching it from a viewer's perspective, you don't know

Speaker 6 the terminology. Watch for when he runs up the middle or to his left.
The Green Bay Packers are actually also really bad defending runs up the middle or to the offensive's left.

Speaker 6 So if you see McCaffrey tearing it up around the outside left side of that line, it's because they're really good at blocking it and Green Bay has their stronger run defenders playing on the offensive's right side.

Speaker 6 They're much weaker on the left. That's where the Eagles killed them.
A lot of different teams killed them gashing them up that left side.

Speaker 1 Interesting. So what about Minnesota? What's their hole? Well, with the Cousins, yeah, I know.
I wanted him to say

Speaker 6 Kirk Cousins in prime time. Not only that, I think Kirk Cousins, from some things that I looked at,

Speaker 6 don't 100% quote me on this, but I think he's like something like 8 and 22 when he plays

Speaker 6 a 425 kick or later. So it's not just like the prime time, but he is such a creature of habit that the one o'clock starts, he's got like this routine.

Speaker 6 He must be like super anal, like has this great routine, really comfortable with a one o'clock start. But once you get into like the later time frames, he's just not as comfortable.

Speaker 1 We need to to do the more I think about it because there are so many Kirk Cousins stats out there. I think he's like six and 28 against winning teams.

Speaker 1 We need to start putting out the reverse because the reverse must be incredible. When Kirk Cousins plays a bad team at one o'clock, he's undefeated.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Like, we need to start doing that for Kirk Cousins. Is Kirk Cousins a vampire? That's another question.

Speaker 1 So when the sun goes down, Kirk Cousins sucks. But you're right.
If you look at it from the flip side, if he's playing the Lions at one o'clock, he's probably

Speaker 1 16 and oh, something like that. Here's the other thing, though.
Kirk Cousins bad in primetime. Jason Garrett, also bad in prime time.

Speaker 1 True. Unstoppable force versus movable object.
Who wins?

Speaker 6 Yeah, and that's one I actually don't have a strong take on that game. I think that's going to be a good thing.

Speaker 1 You got to bet every game. You do? Yeah.
Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I typically try to lean only on the games that I see enough value, but I respect the growth.

Speaker 1 You're one of those guys who likes to win money and shoes. Yeah, I respect the grind of

Speaker 6 the terror that you put yourself through by trying to pick a winner and then sweating that out because it's not easy.

Speaker 1 I mean, Sunday Night Football, you have to bet Sunday Night Football. You cannot not bet Sunday Night Football.
Agreed. So you are the only guest, I think, that brings their own laptop.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Well, I didn't know what we were going to cover. So you have to be prepared

Speaker 1 to spreadsheet up.

Speaker 6 No, I'm just, this is my odd screen. I'm just looking at the future.

Speaker 1 Oh, nice. Okay.
All right. So give us the flip side.
Give us the team that you think, because there always is a team in November or December, and there's a lot in the AFC.

Speaker 1 There's a few in the NFC who are like in that 4-5,

Speaker 1 5-4, 4-4 range that you can see making a run, and they have gotten better, and they're going to make the playoffs.

Speaker 6 Well, you know, this is a frustrating one to talk about because the Cleveland Browns face a much easier schedule over the second half of the season.

Speaker 6 And I really don't know what exactly is going on there from a coaching perspective because all I'm hearing about is that people are clamoring for Todd Monken to take more ownership and control,

Speaker 6 play calling, et cetera, because Freddie's the one calling plays and Monken just comes out an interview on Thursday and says, I'm not going to be able to call the plays.

Speaker 6 It's going to be Freddie and that's the way we're going to stick with it.

Speaker 6 But when Freddy took over from Hugh last season, they used a lot more of their heavy personnel groupings, which is two tight end sets, to help pass protect for Baker so that he had cleaner pockets to throw from and he was in general a lot more comfortable in those scenarios.

Speaker 6 This year, they're using a lot more three wide receiver sets. Now, I understand they brought in Odell Beckham, so they've got more wide receivers.
But the numbers bear it out. It's not even close.

Speaker 6 It's not like, well, they're 20% more efficient if they pass from like it is night and day how much better they are passing from 12 personnel.

Speaker 6 And yet they continue to use the three wide receiver sets.

Speaker 6 I think maybe Todd Monkin's influence overall, like they redid that offense, he might not be calling plays, but he comes from Tampa Bay with the Buccaneers. They ran a lot of three-wide sets.

Speaker 6 He's got the air raid background.

Speaker 6 I know that marries well with what Baker Mayfield did in college, but this is the NFL, and you've got 280, 300-pound giants on the other side of that line of scrimmage trying to rip your head off, and your offensive line stinks.

Speaker 6 He's not executing well when he's not well protected. So the numbers bear it out that this season they're really good passing out of 12.

Speaker 6 I hope that they switch a little bit more to use some more 12 personnel. If they do, it could make the offense more efficient.

Speaker 6 They need to get their ground game going a little bit more, but their defense is going to face a much easier schedule of opposing offenses down the stretch.

Speaker 6 I don't know if they can grind their way back into the playoff contention from where they are right now, but they are a team that's going to be playing much better over the second half, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 Okay. And so when they're running three wide receiver sets, that's 11 personnel, right? Bam.
Got it. Okay.
Yeah, yeah. Knowledge retention.

Speaker 1 Done. Freddie Kitchen said the other day that he doesn't look at the stats.
I know. He hasn't paid attention to the stats.

Speaker 1 First of all, do you think that's true?

Speaker 6 I find it hard to believe. I think in part he was taken out of context because he was talking about where Baker Mayfield ranks in terms of completion rate.

Speaker 6 A reporter asked him that question, and he said, I don't care where he ranks. I don't have that information.
I'm worried about other things. I don't look at those numbers.

Speaker 6 I don't take into consideration stats or whatever the exact quote was. Part of me thinks he's, I hope to God, that he was just talking about the element of the rankings, league-wide rankings.

Speaker 6 But if he literally, in some capacity, was talking about real stats,

Speaker 6 then

Speaker 6 that's very hard to believe.

Speaker 6 Because even if you're just looking at your own team, I mean, I know you can look at a guy and say, well, I think he's doing better out on the field than this guy, but like, how do you not know that he's averaging, you know, six yards a carry and the other guy's only at three?

Speaker 6 Like, you're just really going to use the eyeball test 24-7 and never look at any type of number.

Speaker 6 I find that very hard to believe.

Speaker 1 You just described exactly what Hugh Jackson did last year with Carlos Hyde and Duke Johnson. Yes, that was the six yards per carry for Duke or whatever it was.

Speaker 6 So Chubb was crushing it, and he continued to ride with Carlos Hyde until the owner traded him out of the field.

Speaker 1 You got to find a way to get Nick Chubb the ball more in this offense. Well, Hugh, you could just hand the ball to him.
That's like completely in your hands.

Speaker 1 I want to talk real quick about some of the backups that have come into the league this year. Some are in still, some are out.

Speaker 1 Who do you think is the best backup quarterback that's taken over between like Minshew Allen Allen

Speaker 6 Moore Falk Hoyer it's definitely got to be Kyle Allen to me

Speaker 6 that team they haven't you know I agree the performance against the 49ers was very frustrating and kind of sets you back a little bit there's definitely parts of his game that he needs to work on right he needs to work on his

Speaker 6 pocket awareness and his ball control in the pocket. You know, turnovers kill you if you go.
If you turn a ball over, you're going to lose 80% of the times when you lose that turnover battle.

Speaker 6 So you got to be more aware. But from an ability to make the throws

Speaker 6 at this level, he's got that ability to make those throws more so than most of those other guys that you mentioned. Now, I loved Minchumania, and I was hoping that that would continue.

Speaker 6 But again, he ran into, you know, I don't think the talent is quite as good on that team. I think the coaching married with his ability is really what Kyle Allen is setting Kyle Allen apart.

Speaker 6 I mean, the job that the Turners are doing is great.

Speaker 1 What about one that we forgot, Mason Rudolph? Oh, yeah. We think that his face is too big.

Speaker 6 For his body?

Speaker 1 He's got, yeah, just everything. And also Kool-Aid lips.
He's got like that whole vibe. He's just not going to work.
I know what you mean. I judge my quarterback just like book by cover.

Speaker 1 Nope, not a quarterback. Right.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 6 I'm shocked because

Speaker 6 I did not think that the Steelers would be, what, like 4-1 with him in there and the funny part about him do you remember when so Ben got injured he had to fill in and his first game was on the road in San Francisco now San Francisco was in the red zone so many different times kept turning the ball over they should have killed the Steelers they only won 24 to 20 but

Speaker 6 They then came home and the Steelers did after that game and their next opponent I forget I forget who it was but it was like a I think it was like a primetime game Monday night game it might have been Cleveland Monday night I'm not I'm not entirely sure.

Speaker 6 They came home that game, and I anticipated with that full week of prep to get Minshew ready, sorry, to get Mason Rudolph ready, that they would help him with a short passing attack.

Speaker 6 They would show some confidence, let him throw the ball, stop putting him in these bad situations where we're just running on first down, running on second down.

Speaker 6 Up, now we're in third and long, and you're going to have to throw it. What did they come out with? They came out with the Wildcat.
Like, they spent all week working on the Wildcat.

Speaker 6 To me, that speaks of we don't have a lot of confidence in this guy. Like, we had a week to prepare for a home game, and instead of

Speaker 6 working with the receivers a lot, we spent our time teaching our running backs to throw the football in this wildcat grouping. So,

Speaker 6 I don't know the metrics on the big head for the Kool-Aid lips, but I definitely think that the team doesn't have a lot of confidence in him. Now, maybe that's growing over time, but

Speaker 6 they need to get him throwing the football a little bit more earlier in games.

Speaker 1 We should add that to your stat sheets and stuff. It should just be a column eyeball test.
We can take care of that.

Speaker 6 Eyeball testing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no stats, nothing. It's just look at them.
Maybe show me, I don't know, five players.

Speaker 6 So it's a physical appearance eyeball.

Speaker 1 Physical appearance, five players. It has nothing to do with them.

Speaker 6 Oh, there is some playing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it's not. I don't need the all-22.
Just give me the TV and I'll actually probably be looking at my Twitter while I'm doing it.

Speaker 6 So just like what he looks like when he's standing in the huddle matching.

Speaker 1 Maybe when he's dropping back, like a couple dropbacks, and I want to see him when he's jogging off to the sidelines. I want to see his

Speaker 1 coach and yeah, on the sidelines talking to his coach with the hat on. Right.
Okay, yeah. So that really is like the

Speaker 6 physical.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 6 It's a look test. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Speaking of the eyeball test, do you think that Jameis Winston needs contacts?

Speaker 6 You know, I was okay with that game because I had six and a half. I bought to seven on Monday.
So I actually covered. But

Speaker 6 Winston continues to have this problem where...

Speaker 6 He's in situations where he just falls apart at the end of games. And it's really hard to explain at this point in time.

Speaker 6 You know, two weeks ago, Bruce Arings came out, I think, a great job as a coach. He blamed all of the interceptions on the rest of the guys, right? Remember that?

Speaker 6 He's like, none of these interceptions were Jameis's fault. They were all everybody else's fault.
But at a certain time, you know, like now he has all these other turnovers.

Speaker 6 Like, you can't just keep blaming everybody else for all the mistakes when the one constant is Jameis Winston.

Speaker 1 Do you think he's a Hall of Famer? No. Have you heard of Jameis One of One Twitter account? No.
Okay, I'll send you the book. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You wrote a book? Well, he wrote a 400-page book, this Twitter account, Jameis Winston.

Speaker 1 You're part of the media bias against it. You have Jameis Winston Derangement.
Derangement Syndrome.

Speaker 6 Oh, that's what this one-on-one got?

Speaker 1 The name of the book is Jameis Winston Derangement Syndrome: How Media Bias Causes Us to Overlook the Start of a Hall of Fame NFL Career. So you are part of the Herald.

Speaker 6 Well, look, he's, if you want to just look at the pure numbers, like the counting stats, because some people look at that, like how many total touchdowns, how many passing yards, he's good at those.

Speaker 6 But when you talk about

Speaker 6 turning for worthy plays, everything else that it takes to win games, I mean, he's good at eating W's, but other than that, he struggles.

Speaker 1 I actually am kind of serious about the contacts thing. He squints all the time.
Okay,

Speaker 1 he needs to be able to do that.

Speaker 6 Well, you picked up on that because of your eyeball look test.

Speaker 1 Correct. Yes, exactly.
If you saw him in the game last week against Seattle, he didn't know if the field goal went in at the end of the game. He was squinting to try to figure it out.

Speaker 1 When he was in college, he needed glasses, he needed contacts, and he would only wear them for baseball.

Speaker 1 But he doesn't wear them for football for some reason.

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, it is amazing. I'm not going to say that

Speaker 6 that's only partially funny, but there's also an element of truth to that. It's amazing what certain teams don't like factor in.
Don't take into consideration

Speaker 1 hand size.

Speaker 6 Well, hand size, yes.

Speaker 1 They do factor, but not enough, James.

Speaker 6 Kyle Allen, well, watch what Kyle Allen does up in Green Bay because he has about average to slightly below average hand size.

Speaker 1 Oh, and it's going to be super cold. Good to know.
Numbness in the hands.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 I would be having him spend most of the week in a meat locker getting ready, trying on gloves, testing it out.

Speaker 6 You know, Bill Belichick, when there's a rain game, remember that rain game with the Cleveland Browns?

Speaker 6 They take footballs, they dunk them in... you know, trash cans full of water.

Speaker 6 They weight the balls so that the DBs can figure out how heavy they're going to be when they're trying to, you know, tip passes, interceptions, all these different types of things.

Speaker 6 You've got to think about as many factors as possible because I guarantee you the best coach and the best team in the league are thinking about all that and things you have no idea that they're thinking about.

Speaker 1 That's a good point. All right, I have one last question about the picture of the NFL in 2019.
Can you give me top three teams in the AFC, top three teams in the NFC?

Speaker 6 Just in terms of the best?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 6 Yeah, let me look at my, one of my metrics, I look at early down success rate.

Speaker 6 So I can already tell you, so early down success rate, I think we talked about this on the show last time, not 100% positive, but what it does is it looks at your ability to bypass third downs.

Speaker 6 It's ultra important. Not as many people look at that.
They focus on what do you do on third downs. But the reality is third downs are very

Speaker 6 responsive to what you've done on first and second downs. So you might be in a third and long, you might be a third and short.
So your ability to convert those varies tremendously.

Speaker 6 Your play calls vary tremendously based upon the distance to go.

Speaker 6 Just like your play calls in in the second half. Like if you're down, you're going to be more aggressive.
If you're up, you're going to be more conservative.

Speaker 6 So, what you really need to do when you're analyzing football is look at early downs in the first half. And that'll help determine.

Speaker 6 That's what I look at when I'm trying to see which teams are the most run heavy. Like, what is the coach's strategy here? What are they trying to do? Are they establishing the run?

Speaker 6 Are they passing the football? Those types of things. The 49ers, obviously, I mean, they're the lone unbeaten team, and they're the number one team in my early down success rate metric.

Speaker 6 So they're only about average on offense, but they're the number one defense right now. Now I got a couple interesting things to tell you about the 49ers if you care to hear it.
Yeah, sure.

Speaker 6 But so the 49ers, the interesting thing about their run, their defense in general, is that they're great against the pass, but they're only about average against the run right now.

Speaker 6 And one of the reasons that they're only average against the run is because of the wide nine technique and the defensive strategy that Robert Salah uses is to spreads out the defenders.

Speaker 6 So they're great at rushing, especially getting pressure with only four, but they create lanes for offenses to run the football through.

Speaker 6 And in this particular matchup this weekend, I think it's going to be fascinating in the Monday night game because we know that the Seattle Seahawks want to run the football.

Speaker 6 At times, Brian Schottenheimer runs the football too much, but they're decent at running the football, and they should have a little bit of success running on the San Francisco 49ers defense.

Speaker 6 When Russ drops back to pass, obviously their offensive line is bad.

Speaker 6 The interesting part about the matchup, though, is going to be if you go through the list of the teams that the 49ers have played and the quarterbacks they've faced, it's a lot of guys who are pocket quarterbacks that can't get out of the pocket, can't do anything.

Speaker 6 It's like Jameis, Mason Rudolph. It's a number of Baker.
It's a number of guys like that who are like deer in headlights if you pressure them.

Speaker 6 Russ is the best quarterback in the NFL right now from passer rating, from yards per attempt,

Speaker 6 I think he's like second best at completion percentage above expectation when he's under pressure. He can get out of there and make passes.
So the 49ers haven't played a quarterback like that yet.

Speaker 6 They're also without their stud middle linebacker Kwan Alexander came from Tampa. He got injured really good in coverage.
So that's going to be an interesting matchup.

Speaker 6 But 49ers, best team, and my metrics agree with that.

Speaker 1 Okay. And then give me a couple more.
Okay.

Speaker 6 So a couple more real quick. Obviously, the New England Patriots, I think that they're probably

Speaker 6 still the most elite in the AFC. The Chiefs, once Patrick Mahomes come back, he's definitely in there.

Speaker 6 A A third team on the AFC, I'd probably say the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 6 Their defense, the secondary, is getting much healthier. They obviously got the trade for Marcus Peters.

Speaker 6 This is a team that is going to be able to run the ball, play efficiently, build a lead at halftime, force you to throw. Guess what they're okay at stopping the run? Guess what they're great at?

Speaker 6 They're going to be great at stopping the pass. You're going to have to throw the ball into that secondary struggle.

Speaker 6 In the NFC, I already mentioned the 49ers, the Saints, definitely up there at the top. They're actually my number four team in this early down success rate metric.
And it's tough.

Speaker 1 There's not a third team.

Speaker 6 Number third team. Yeah, it is tough.
You've obviously got the Dallas Cowboys are in the picture. I think the Philadelphia Eagles are a team that's in the picture.

Speaker 6 Now, if you look at the NFC East, the Eagles actually have the easier schedule over that second half of the season. They absolutely must beat the Cowboys when they do meet them.

Speaker 6 And the Eagles have a bye this week. They face the Patriots next week.

Speaker 6 So that's going to be a tough game, but they have an easier schedule for the NFC East than do the Dallas Cowboys the rest of the way.

Speaker 1 way.

Speaker 1 Great.

Speaker 1 I want you to explain to Hank real quick, because we've been going back and forth about this

Speaker 1 a couple weeks now.

Speaker 1 Hank doesn't believe that fumble luck is a thing. Yeah, turnover luck.
He thinks it's saying that turnover luck is a slap in the face to the Patriots for being so lucky. It's not true.

Speaker 1 It's not what I said, but feel free to answer that question. Pretty much exactly.

Speaker 1 How much is turnover luck and just the sustainability of getting four turnovers a game, is that going to regress for the Patriots? That's

Speaker 1 touchdowns. The defensive special teams is always

Speaker 1 bounces. They score touchdowns.

Speaker 1 How much is that not going to exist moving forward?

Speaker 6 Okay, so two points on that, and then I'll theorize a little bit.

Speaker 6 The first point is that being able to return those turnovers for touchdowns is so unbelievably important and gives you such an edge in winning games.

Speaker 6 The difference between you getting an interception and being tackled at the opponent's 40-yard line versus running that thing all the way in for the touchdown and not having to put your offense out on the field to to travel those 40 yards and actually score that touchdown is massive.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 if I was involved, we would be practicing tons of

Speaker 6 returns where my defense is on the field and we're practicing blocking the offensive players and we're strategizing how we're going to try to return these things because housing those returns is just gives you such a big boost.

Speaker 6 The second thing is when you are facing bad quarterbacks that are more prone to throwing interceptions, that is a little bit more sustainable. The fumble element is less sustainable.

Speaker 1 So you don't have bad quarterbacks anymore.

Speaker 1 You had an easy schedule, Hank.

Speaker 6 You did. The Patriots definitely did have by far the easiest schedule for their defense in the NFL

Speaker 6 year to date. Now, they do play about an average schedule the rest of the way through.
But the key is if you're playing those quarterbacks that

Speaker 6 tend to throw those interceptions, Luke Falk, then you're going to get more, and that's a little bit more sustainable when you're playing those types of quarterbacks.

Speaker 6 The fumbles, if the ball is actually out on the ground, you know,

Speaker 6 some coaches maybe coach more about recovery and rallying to the ball and things like that than others do. But ultimately, it's an odd-shaped football sitting right on your couch there.

Speaker 6 It bounces in different ways. You can't predict it, and your guy might be there and can't get it.
And a guy five yards away, he can get it from the other team.

Speaker 6 You got three guys, and it just went right through him. So that is what is unsustainable.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 are you okay, Hank? Yeah, I'm great. That was very insightful.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 All right, Warren Sharp. Thank you as always.
Sharpfootballanalysis.com. Free for the rest of the week? Free the rest of the week.
And you have picks, and you have fantasy advice.

Speaker 6 And props, too.

Speaker 1 And props. It's all there.
It's all free. You can dive into the stats.
How do you feel about the three and a half field goal? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Every primetime game, I bet over on three and a half field goals because I just feel like the ball goes further at night and there are more field goals in primetime games.

Speaker 6 Is that actually, you know what's hilarious? I saw your tweet on that. I don't know if you've repeatedly tweeted it, but I did see one time that you did.
I actually looked it up.

Speaker 6 I went back and did some research on how many field goals on average are made in primetime games.

Speaker 6 It's not statistically significant. It's not more.
It's not more than average.

Speaker 1 That's just part.

Speaker 1 It's not more than average. But how much?

Speaker 1 But what's the number? Do you know?

Speaker 6 I could send it to you. I don't have it off the top of my head.

Speaker 1 Is it more than three and a half?

Speaker 1 It could be. It could be more than three and a half.

Speaker 6 It's probably between three and four, right?

Speaker 1 Okay, all right. There you go.
Right on the money then. So no statistical.

Speaker 6 I don't have the support right now. I will tell you that Minnesota and Dallas, like if you're if you're looking at that prop for Sunday night football,

Speaker 6 I think you got a good kicker on the Dallas Cowboys there. And Minnesota got rid of their kicker a little while ago for being terrible.

Speaker 1 Terrible

Speaker 6 time. Kirk Cousins in there.
Maybe you don't have Adam Thielen, so maybe you're able to move the ball a little bit, but not quite far enough to score touchdowns.

Speaker 6 That one actually could be a good game to look at.

Speaker 1 I think what Warren's telling us is that blindly betting the same thing over and over isn't going to win, which I actually would disagree with. I'm on PFT side.

Speaker 1 Sometimes you just say, hey, I'm going to fuck it, and I'm going to bet every over. On the season, I'm up.
That's all I know. There it is.

Speaker 6 That's all that matters. Your bank account at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 Yep. All right, Warren Sharp, thank you so much.
Appreciate your time as always, man. Thanks, man.

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Speaker 1 let's finish up. We got a couple quick segments, then we're going to finish up with our FAQs and Matt Jones.
Fire Fest.

Speaker 1 Fire Fest.

Speaker 1 Fire Fest of the week. Why don't you go first, but

Speaker 1 my Fire Fest is pretty simple. College basketball.
College basketball is back, and gambling on 18-year-olds to not fuck up at the end of games is everyone's Fire Fest. And I don't know why I do that.

Speaker 1 I love November, but I hate November because it's a bunch of teams that you don't know about. They're playing in weird spots.
They're playing random teams, little teams, no one fucking knows.

Speaker 1 And man, does it suck? Even the good teams are bad. That's what makes it tough.
Like Michigan State, they're ranked number one.

Speaker 1 I think they had two guys that were playing in the first game of the season with face masks on. They had broken noses in the first place.
Because there was no face mask of the season. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so Firefest is definitely the fact of college. I can't stop.

Speaker 1 like loving it and betting on it because I just love it and I bet on it. But man, is it stupid and man is it like you have those moments where you're like,

Speaker 1 why am I getting mad at this 18-year-old who can't make a free throw at the end of the game? Oh, yeah, you're stupid. But then, you know what? I love it, so who cares?

Speaker 1 I always say that this is the season that I get into watching college basketball from the start. No, you don't.
I think this is it. I think this is the season.

Speaker 1 I've watched college basketball the last two nights. I think I'm in.

Speaker 1 For real?

Speaker 1 Next time we have Titus on the show, you'll be amazed how knowledgeable I am about college basketball. Okay.

Speaker 1 My Fire Fest, I used to have this this plug for shoes. He sent me like sick, like off-whites, Nikes.
He no longer exists, really. He has a different job, so I don't really have a plug anymore.

Speaker 1 And the most recent pair of shoes he got me, I stepped outside on the way to work in, like, a movie, basically.

Speaker 1 Car came, splashed, puddle, splashed on the shoes, ruined the shoes. And now I'm just shit out of luck.

Speaker 1 All right, I'm a size 12 for anyone who's listening to Hank's Fire Fest because it was clearly a play to get free shoes. No, no.
I'm 10 and a half. That's a Fire Fest.
I'm 10 and a half. I had him

Speaker 1 ruined.

Speaker 1 make sure you throw in those size 12. Yeah, leave the tags on them.
That's what the kids are wearing right now. Hank, do you want to say your size now that you've done this plug? I'm a 10 and a half.

Speaker 1 That's not why I did it. Wait, you guys are both 10 and a half? Yeah, that's weird.
And you're like, what, six inches taller than that? Five inches taller than that. Wait, six inches taller than?

Speaker 1 How tall is Hank? He's 6'1. Okay, yeah.
No,

Speaker 1 you're like two inches taller than me. Oh, no.
I'm actually six feet, but. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 I was trying to make a joke about proportionally my dick is bigger. Well, I can't play along.
Oh, man. It has to be pretty low bar.
All right, PFT, what's your fire fest?

Speaker 1 My fire fest of the week is: I'm going to be watching the LSU Bama game, but I have to go watch it in an Alabama bar. Why?

Speaker 1 Because it's some appearance thing that I'm doing through Barstool that's like, hey, you are going to this prison. What? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, do you want to plug it so people can go? No, not really, because it's an Alabama bar. Yeah, no, you've got to do it.

Speaker 1 It's one of the Ainsworths. All right, so you're going to wear LSU games? Oh, of course.
Yeah, so that's my Fire Fest: I'm going to be in there with a bunch of people that hate me because I'm wearing

Speaker 1 a lot of Bama bangs, a lot of swoopy hair. Usually, I'm used to watching games and bars where people hate me, but they usually have to talk to me to figure that out first.

Speaker 1 This time, they're just going to be able to look at me and say, oh, he's wearing all LSU gear. I hate that guy.
If they do that song, though, it's fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 God damn it, what does that sound like? Suck that tiger dick, bitch. No, the song that Alabama does where they're like, and Tennessee, too.

Speaker 1 I can't remember. It sounds really good.
Dixie Land Delight. Yep, there you go.
That's the name of the song. Rocky Top.
No, it's Dixie Land Delight.

Speaker 1 Remember they stopped it, and then Miss Terry had to do a public service announcement where they're like, don't say the F-word during it.

Speaker 1 And then they brought it back because Miss Terry asked everyone to not say the F-word. And then in the stadium,

Speaker 1 they blasted audio of everyone saying

Speaker 1 freak or something. Like something else.
Like

Speaker 1 whatever the replacement of the sky. Gracious to Petrus.

Speaker 1 It was a soft moment in Alabama history.

Speaker 1 Well, Miss Terry, maybe if you wanted the people to listen to what you had had to say, you would kiss every single Alabama fan on the lips on their way out of the stadium. How SEC is that, though?

Speaker 1 Miss Terry had to like sit there in Nick Saban's huge office and being like, please respect your opponents. Like, why would any Alabama fan respect their opponents? They shit pump their opponents.

Speaker 1 That's actually. I would never respect my opponents if I was an Alabama fan.
That's a little reverse psychology. I think that her saying that is her way of saying

Speaker 1 it even harder. Yeah, they're so bad.
Please be nice to them. Listen, we don't want to create a home field advantage here.
Yes, yes. All right.

Speaker 1 We're going to stop doing the strobe lights when you guys are sneaking all your drinks from out of your sock if you keep saying the F-word.

Speaker 1 All right, last up, we have sabermetrics for James Harden.

Speaker 1 A person on Reddit did a deep dive, and I mean a deep dive, on James Harden and came to the conclusion that if James Harden is in a city with a...

Speaker 1 above average strip club, he has a bad performance on the court. Now define above average.
So there's a ranking system which I don't really trust because

Speaker 1 it has Miami number one, which I get. It has Chicago number two.
Chicago, unless you go to Indiana, the strip clubs aren't that good. And then Salt Lake City's number three, which really?

Speaker 1 Apparently they have very high because there's only one of them probably. So it's like that's the only place where people can go.
Also, shout out to the person who made it. I think they're in AWL.

Speaker 1 Ryan Sullivan. Okay, so nice job.
Thanks for sending it to us so that we could bet on it and not leak it to the world. Come on, man.
Come on.

Speaker 1 I hope the Reddit gold was worth it. That's my worst part.
I would have fucking given you, what is it? Reddit gold? I would have given you some of that. Platinum from all my life.

Speaker 1 I would have cash-apped you money to give me this tip so I could have bet the angle. So now it's going to get screwed.

Speaker 1 Did he do any statistical analysis on whether or not James Harden or all those strip clubs happen to be in towns that also had playoff basketball teams? Because that was

Speaker 1 Chicago. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good point. I need somebody to break down how Kirk Cousins plays.
We know that he plays bad in the afternoon and at night. I want to know if he plays poorly in cities with giant megachurches.

Speaker 1 Maybe he goes there early, gets a little too wild. What's he done against Houston? Yeah, Houston, but yeah, Joel Austin.
Right.

Speaker 1 So at the bottom was Toronto and Cleveland and Charlotte. Minneapolis actually,

Speaker 1 I don't know where, if he's in AWL, I'm going to respect his data, but I'm going to also guess he hasn't personally gone to some of these strip clubs and is probably just doing it off a review.

Speaker 1 Minneapolis Minneapolis has strip clubs like one block from the stadium.

Speaker 1 They are right downtown. There's a little bit of.
Not that I know, I just know. Right.

Speaker 1 There's a little bit of a bias in this that might be skewing it, and that's the ratings that get put on a strip club, put yourself in the shoes of somebody that logs onto Al Gore's internet and gives a rating to a strip club.

Speaker 1 Cornhub commenters. Yes.
So the type of people that would be doing that would not be like your average customer at a strip club.

Speaker 1 Probably the bigger weirdos that take full advantage of the breakfast buffet in the club. Yeah, well, that's what I was going to say.
I'd like a follow-up.

Speaker 1 How much of this rating is based on the food options at the strip club? Hank and I went to a strip club in Tampa Bay where it was a steakhouse. Yeah.
Inside of a strip club. It was wild.
Eyeballs.

Speaker 1 A steakhouse and a strip club in Tampa. That's a nice little Russian nesting doll for the South.
Yeah, I like that. So pretty much James Harden just parties

Speaker 1 and he loves adult cabarets, as you say. Yes.
Burlesque houses. And then it just, he sucks on the court.
That's, I mean, it's a, oh, you think. Yeah.
Pretty much. As well.

Speaker 1 But credit to him for doing the research. And it shows a statistical correlation, like a direct correlation between all these.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's finish up the show. We're going to do FAQs, and we randomly had a friend of ours stop by the studio.
Happened to be in town today. Deplatformed.
Friend of ours. I've been saying that.

Speaker 1 I like just using that word. That's crazy.
Canceled.

Speaker 1 You can't even be on this show. So

Speaker 1 it's Matt Jones, a friend of ours who's been a friend of ours for a long time.

Speaker 1 You've been canceled. Cancel culture.
So, yeah, we thought we would have you on to talk about Kentucky sports and nothing else. But also, why have you been canceled?

Speaker 1 You know, your good friend, I'm sure everybody listening here is a big Mitch McConnell guy.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's just the kids. Okay,

Speaker 1 kids like him.

Speaker 1 His people filed, I'm on the radio in Kentucky, and I'm contemplating running against him, and they filed a complaint with the FEC and said it was unfair for me to be on the air because otherwise who would even know who Mitch McConnell is.

Speaker 1 And so

Speaker 1 they took me off. And there you go.
I've got an idea. Maybe something that can make both sides happy here.
So it's a question of allowing equal time, right?

Speaker 1 You can't be broadcasting if you're actually going to be able to do that. Well, that's not why this is, but that is an issue.
That's like the spirit of what you're doing.

Speaker 1 Why don't you just co-host a show with Mitch? I would love to.

Speaker 1 Do that.

Speaker 1 Here's what I've said. I'd like to do, like, you remember the old show, Hannity and Combs? It could be like me and Mitch.
He,

Speaker 1 I think it would be exciting. I've offered it, but they don't, they haven't taken it up on it.
Okay, so

Speaker 1 essentially, you no longer get to host your radio show for the time being. So we figured because

Speaker 1 you are such a psycho Kentucky sports fan, you need an outlet to get it out. I think you're going on a lot of political shows, talk shows tomorrow.

Speaker 1 This isn't a political talk show, but this is a place you can get your stupid sports takes out. I mean, you're a stupid sports takes.

Speaker 1 Listen, you've been deplatformed from your sports show, so we're going to give you the sports place right here. You can go do your politics on where are you going to be tomorrow?

Speaker 1 Well, it's supposed to be on a couple shows on MSNBC and MPR and CNN. Oh, wow.
So, like,

Speaker 1 NPR. If you were a friend of ours, you wouldn't go on NPR.
Oh, you don't?

Speaker 1 Is that your rival? No, all their podcasts are beating ours. That's right.
Actually, what we'll do is we'll have Hank ask the questions in a very low.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you're not going to be able to beat them because

Speaker 1 they just monotone

Speaker 1 disavow NPR there.

Speaker 1 I'm not doing okay, that's no longer weekend edition. More like, yeah, no way.
Did you finish that? I joke there. The problem was, I don't know.
I don't think you had a joke there. I didn't.

Speaker 1 And if it sucked, it was going to be really embarrassing.

Speaker 1 That's what's always really good about this show. Is since there's so many of us that talk on it, if you ever just run out of steam, eventually somebody will interrupt you.
Oh, this is the same thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, done. No problem.
There's nothing that makes me cringe when I listen to this from you guys more than when people who aren't funny try to be funny.

Speaker 1 I know that you two are both funnier than me, so I just, I'm not giving one unless I know it's good.

Speaker 1 Okay, save the A stuff. I have a question before we dive into about Kentucky sports.
Maxie, actually, you know what? Strike that. Too many people on Kentucky.
I didn't know what the next word was.

Speaker 1 Too many people on Kentucky's basketball team have the exact same haircut. Yeah, I think that's true.
I probably do. They do.
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 Kevin Brooks, Khalil Whitney, Tyrus Max, they all do have the same haircut. There needs to be a little bit of variation.
Otherwise, I just, I get bored.

Speaker 1 I will say that. Before we do the Kentucky thing, can I just say,

Speaker 1 my best appearance here was ever was, of course, when I told you the Rick Petino engagement story and all of that stuff.

Speaker 1 Did you see that he's getting a little sassy because the governor that helped bring him down lost Tuesday and he retweeted with the Jerry Seinfeld meme and was like, he's very timely and he was very, yeah, he was very patweetos.

Speaker 1 I love it. The Petuitos are getting on him.
All right, so we are going to get to our FAQs about sports, but I actually have an FAQ beforehand.

Speaker 1 Matt Jones, diehard Kentucky fan, why are you wearing Florida Gator shoes?

Speaker 1 Did you think I didn't notice that? I was actually going to say it when he walked in, but I said, let's just save it for the show. You know what? Take your shoe off.

Speaker 1 Take your shoe off and put it up here. I wanted the people to see.
I have never, ever

Speaker 1 considered these. Those are Florida Gator shoes.

Speaker 1 I thought that they were actually a Kentucky fan. How dare you, sir? You should be wearing alligator shoes.
You know, these shoes are like, they're called like Bohr Bacher or something.

Speaker 1 They're like, sort of, they're supposed to be pretty impressive, but you don't like them. What are the cool shoes? I like them.
No, I don't know. It looks like something out of Tron.

Speaker 1 They're Air Max 95s, but this designer, it's like JB. I can't remember the name.
They're wearing Florida Gator shoes.

Speaker 1 They are Florida Gator shoes. I can see why you would say.
Tim Tebow is on the inside of the tongue here. Crane.
Yeah, it's incredible. Size

Speaker 1 12. Okay, that's respectable.

Speaker 1 I mean, if you were size 9, we were going to be able to. There's going to be no FPQs of the 100.

Speaker 1 If you're 6'4 and a size 9, that's what are your hands.

Speaker 1 I don't have Rondo hands, but they're pretty big. Let me see.
Let's see. No, don't.

Speaker 1 You can't ever do the hands without a fancy. That's like nine and three quarters.
That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 Kentucky Sports FAQs with Matt Jones because he's got to have an outlet. Otherwise, you're going to go crazy if you don't get to it.

Speaker 1 I've been just standing at my girlfriend's apartment screaming at children. Well, you've been doing your free Matt Jones tweets.
You've been retweeting politics stuff.

Speaker 1 I know deep down inside of you, you're like, I need to talk about sports. We just beat the number one team in the country Tuesday, and you have not been on the show.

Speaker 1 You're not on your show on Wednesday? I was on it Wednesday. I haven't been on that.
You had your victory listening. What about just doing a podcast?

Speaker 1 How about you do a podcast underneath us where it's you getting out all your Kentucky sports takes, then we make all your money?

Speaker 1 Are you saying that? And it all goes directly to you. Yeah, it goes directly.
You're not getting paid, but

Speaker 1 it sounds perfect to me. Why don't I work for you and just not do our own? Correct? Yeah, perfect.

Speaker 1 You got the concept. All right, Hank, FAQs.
Is there any way that former Arkansas quarterback Matt Jones is implicated on any of this? How deep does this gag order go? Matt Jones.

Speaker 1 You know, there are a lot of Matt Joneses in sports. You got the former Duke basketball player, the former Florida running back,

Speaker 1 the former Arkansas quarterback. There's a golfer, pro-golfer, Matt Jones.
But the real cocaine Matt Jones is the one from Arkansas. Yeah, wide receiver Matt Jones.

Speaker 1 Yeah, first-round pick by the Jags, remember? Yes, he was.

Speaker 1 He picked one pick before Aaron Rodgers. Oh, that's tough.
You can always spin it on your Mitchell Trubisky thing into.

Speaker 1 Why did you have to bring that up? Well, I mean, because you always talk about how Mitch got picked before Patrick Mahomes. Did you know that? And Deshaun Watson?

Speaker 1 You just say, at least it's not as bad as taking a quarterback to play wide receiver before Aaron Rodgers. You know, big cat, I'm a Bears fan, too.
Yeah, and it's bad.

Speaker 1 I didn't like Trubisky from the moment they picked him. I watched him in North Carolina.
He wasn't good. You just don't like anybody named Mitch.
You're doing Mitch, please.

Speaker 1 You're doing a little revisionist history here

Speaker 1 Matt Jones being the fucking draft guru.

Speaker 1 Well, no, his senior year was actually his first year in John Fox's offense because he was a junior and he was football young, but then he became football older. So you believe that?

Speaker 1 No. I mean, I wanted to.

Speaker 1 My old radio co-host is the quarterback coach, Dave Rigaugh. Oh, yeah.
We used to host a morning show together.

Speaker 1 My whole take is it doesn't matter whether you believe in your pick or not, but if your team takes someone like that, you have to

Speaker 1 convince yourself until there's so much evidence that is mounted on the other side that you're like, okay, maybe this isn't going to work out. So would you give up on Josh Rosen?

Speaker 1 No, I actually think Josh Rosen is one of those perfect cases where like getting drafted where you get drafted matters so much the NFL that I wouldn't give up on him until he was on a real team and you could maybe see him, I don't know, on a real team.

Speaker 1 Yeah, which he'll probably never be.

Speaker 1 So I think that Josh Rosen is always going to be a like, maybe he could take the next step guy. He could be a career backup.

Speaker 1 He's actually, I would say he would be a better career backup than like a Jameis Winston or somebody who we know stinks. Right, because he doesn't like playing football anyway.

Speaker 1 The unknown is better than the known terrible riders. Well, when you draft somebody like Big Cat was with Mitch and you don't like him when you draft him.
I didn't draft Mitch.

Speaker 1 No, I'm saying I have your back on this one. You said that you didn't like Mitch necessarily when you drafted him, but then you have to convince yourself.
You have to hope that you're wrong.

Speaker 1 But then the nice part about hoping that you're wrong and being right is for revisionist history, you're like, I was right about that. Exactly.
What was the name of the guy? Houston, Brock Osweiler.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's a perfect example.
When you sign Brock Oswell, you know it's going to be terrible. Right.
Because you've seen all there is to see about him.

Speaker 1 It'd be much better if you got Josh Rosen, you'd go, well, possibly, you know, if it's just in the right system. John always signed Osweiler twice.
That's how much he loves Tall Corporation. Right.

Speaker 1 And then the ultimate spin zone, if you're a Bears fan, you have spent your life spin zoning or trying to convince yourself a quarterback is good. So we got practice.
This is not new.

Speaker 1 Here's a fun one. Why is Matt Jones lying about keeping 30 young boys locked in the basement of his home? Why? Pizzagate.
Why? Because it's embarrassing. 30 seconds.

Speaker 1 You don't tell the truth about things like that.

Speaker 1 If it's going to happen,

Speaker 1 you start with a lie. It's actually 35.
So you were lying about it.

Speaker 1 What is your house like? Is it nice? You got how many TVs?

Speaker 1 That's our judge homes. I have two televisions.
But I still live. Only two? I

Speaker 1 still live. What? In the whole house? Yeah, but I just still live in a small, like, I put my money.

Speaker 1 Got it. Yeah, yeah.
Okay, got it. Got it.
Wait, do you have locks on your bathroom door? I've never seen them mine. What? Yes? Do you have locks on your bathroom door? I don't.
I do have a tracker.

Speaker 1 So you are rich. That's how we determine.
We were out in L.A., all of our rich friends' houses, none of them had locks on your bathroom door.

Speaker 1 Do you know that I have a tracker? Do you know what that is? A tracker. So I have, Mitch McConnell hired a person who has for two and a half months, he follows me every day.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow, so that's the guy who's sitting in the studio right now? No,

Speaker 1 he didn't come to New York, but wherever I go, he follows me and just stands there. That's actually awesome.
That's a badass move.

Speaker 1 Don't mind.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he just thinks I'm going to do something. But here's the thing.
He never does anything. Yeah, no, that's even better.
I like that move. I do.

Speaker 1 He's just playing a little defense, but you're staying away. But here's what's crazy.
We've kind of become friends. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is a Judd Appetow move.

Speaker 1 Well, just think about it. If somebody is with you, so I've been traveling around the state.
I've gone to every county in the state as part of this book I'm doing.

Speaker 1 And when someone is where you are everywhere, you can't not talk to him. And he's listening to all the live shows and everything.

Speaker 1 And I'll be honest, when we come back from break, he collapsed. Yeah, that's great.
Yeah, I like this. This is a good movie.

Speaker 1 He's got Stockholm Syndrome. Yeah.
I think that's the way I would look at it. And I think at some point, like if I end up not running, I want to feel sorry for him.
His job is just gone.

Speaker 1 He used to work for an NFL team. That's That's like when they send a scout to go hang out in a bar and see how many times, what's his name? Justin Blackman comes in to drink that week.

Speaker 1 That's like a great job for a young kid out of college. You could do a lot with the business.
What you know you guys have been to, we own KS Bar, and I'm there a lot.

Speaker 1 And every time I'm there, he's there. What's his favorite thing on the menu? He only eats the wings.
Okay. He will like wings.

Speaker 1 But here's also what's weird. He always gets a table by himself.
He won't sit at the bar.

Speaker 1 So I'm always, I actually went up. Ah, that's actually a nice nag by him because he's basically taking up more spots that people could sit at.
So he's taking money out of your pocket. Exactly.

Speaker 1 I didn't even think about that. Wait, so he's listening to this interview right now, probably transcribing.
What's up, dude? Hey, what's up? This is Matt Jones. How are you Matt Jones?

Speaker 1 Hey, Matt, I hate Louisville. I'm Matt Jones.
I hate Louisville, Kentucky. I fucking hate that whole state.
Yeah. God damn it.
All right.

Speaker 1 Fuck Mary Kill, Kentucky Mascots Edition, Big Red, WKU, Dunker, Murray, which I don't know what that means, and the Louisville Cardinal. Who's Dunker? Well, the best of those is

Speaker 1 the Big Red. Yes.
I I mean, that's the best one. What was the second one? Dunker.
Who's Dunker? Who's Dunker? Murray? Murray State? Oh, actually, that's a pretty good one, too.

Speaker 1 What is Dunker Steel? No, they talk about the Louisville mascot with teeth or without teeth. Yeah, we have whatever the current iteration is.
So that's a teeth one. So that one's out for me.

Speaker 1 Birds don't have no teeth. Burrs don't have no teeth.
That was awesome. What is Dunker? Is it a Burrows? Murray State is the Racers.
I think it's a horse, isn't it? Oh, that's cool.

Speaker 1 I think it's a dunking horse. That is cool.
Okay, yeah. That's a good one.
Number one. All right, next.
Big red always just looked like a herpie to me. He looks like Andy Reid.
Pig sore.

Speaker 1 Question for someone who legally can't be on their own show.

Speaker 1 Would that person attribute their removal from their show more towards their inability to swim or their inability to hang pictures or their predominant nose whistle? Who?

Speaker 1 Okay, so did your girlfriend write this in? So here's the thing. For people who listen, I was not able to swim until I was like 23.
No, no, no, no, no, no. Nose whistle.
No, the nose whistle.

Speaker 1 Talk about the nose whistle. That's a big thing.
You don't know about the nose whistle? Well, no, I don't. They say pretty much every question.
I thought it was a

Speaker 1 little Mitch thing. You got a nose whistle?

Speaker 1 People argue that when I'm doing the show and other people are talking, that I have a nose whistle that comes through the thing.

Speaker 1 No, that was you. I heard it.

Speaker 1 Wait, do you have a nose whistle? I argue I don't, but many listeners. Sounds like a lot of people think you do, and you actually do.
I do not have a nose whistle.

Speaker 1 I thought you'd be much more interested in the fact I couldn't swim till I was 20. I'm interested in the fact that you can't hang a picture.
What's that about? Well, it's not that I can't.

Speaker 1 I've just never done it. So, I mean, in theory,

Speaker 1 in theory, I might be able to do it, but I've never attempted it. No, I don't have, it's not, I don't have people hanging them.
I set them on the floor. So, like, what that day like.
Oh, you like Cal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Cal. Yeah.
And Saran Rat. Oh, my number one pics are all in front of me while I'm on TV.
Oh, yeah, during the season. Oh, that was so fucking shameless.
Do you all like Cal? Yes, I do. I do.

Speaker 1 I love him. How can you not like him? Well, it feels like a lot of people don't, and I don't understand why.
Like, he's the best. We're Calapari family, too.
Yeah, we've kind of been bullied into.

Speaker 1 We love their family. Not bullied, but we're afraid of the Calapari daughters oh yeah the daughters aaron and megan they go for mats they're smarter than us

Speaker 1 they're quicker they're quick-witted they're meaner than us yeah and they say everything cal wants to say that he's not allowed

Speaker 1 so they were big on the free matt jones hashtag today like they really like it nice common ground what's brad which what's brad up to these days he's in detroit yeah brad went to detroit earned not given he's playing at detroit mercy

Speaker 1 And next year, Kentucky's playing a road game at Detroit Mercy for Brad.

Speaker 1 That's true. Oh, for Brad.
Oh, it's for Brad. I mean, Kentucky's not going to play a true road game at Detroit Mercy for just some other guy.
I love it. That's great.
So, yeah, so we're a Cal family.

Speaker 1 And, yeah, we like when he's going to be.

Speaker 1 Are you going to watch Brad play this year? Because I know you all were big fans.

Speaker 1 Obviously, yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you know who the coach is at Detroit Mercy? TV.

Speaker 1 It's close. No, Mike Davis.
Oh,

Speaker 1 former Indiana coach. Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 Speaking of Cal, if Mitch were to run for Senate, which Cal's endorsement would mean more? John Cal

Speaker 1 or Jim Cowell. Yeah.
If Matt were to run for Senate, so John Cowle or Jim Cow. Jim Cow's taken two titles away from us.
Yeah, that's what he said. He is the real J.
Cal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So definitely John Caliperry. Jim Calhoun and Caliph, you know, those two despise each other.
Gone back like 30 years, hate each other. Well, I think Jim Calhoun hates everyone.

Speaker 1 That's like kind of his thing. Was there any more baller move, though, that when he did that press conference and said, I'm not giving back

Speaker 1 any of the money? The greatest press. That in the,

Speaker 1 I fucked up, but yeah, not a dime back. He kept on saying, not a dime back.
Do you know how much money?

Speaker 1 And then the best part of that press conference is when the reporter says, you make $3 million a year, and he just goes, I make a heck of a lot more than that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he, didn't he come back? And he's coaching like a tiny

Speaker 1 college just for the love of the game. But that's kind of sad.
That means he has. He loves the game.

Speaker 1 You don't think he could find something more exciting to do?

Speaker 1 I also think that he would rather just not deal with the press at all. Yeah, he just goes to the smallest school he can find where there's no reporter.
All right, we'll end with this one.

Speaker 1 Uh, who was the bigger Kentucky legend, Hunter S. Thompson or Colonel Sanders? Oh, oh, great question.

Speaker 1 Well, if you go anywhere around the world, when I say I'm from Kentucky, the very first thing they say is Kentucky Friday. Like, I don't care where you are in the world.
Hunter S.

Speaker 1 Thompson, though, I would argue he was the first blogger. Because

Speaker 1 Hunter S. Thompson wrote in a way that now we all write on the internet.
Did you guess that, As?

Speaker 1 He was

Speaker 1 a version of that. There was a version of that.
But he probably was. So for me, you know, I would say Hunter S.
Thompson, but there's nobody bigger than Colonel Sanders. Yeah, Hunter S.

Speaker 1 He definitely would write in his underwear. He did that a lot.
Yeah. He would write under the influence a lot.
And you know, he writes a lot. He wrote an article that Christian Leitner was the devil.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah, he is a blog. He wrote for ESPN page two or something like that.
Yeah, he wrote for page two. Because, you know, Clement, or Simmons had that Roger Clemens is the Antichrist.

Speaker 1 And so he did one about Leitner that was very similar. It didn't get as quite as popular, but

Speaker 1 you know how Harris Thompson wrote for ESPN? Yeah, no, of course. Yeah, it was Ralph Wiley as well.
Yes, and Bomani and Jones, they were all there.

Speaker 1 He would do football picks.

Speaker 1 He would actually hound like the owners of the football. He would go knock on

Speaker 1 Al Davis' door at 2 o'clock in the morning at his hotel room just to get a tip for the next day. Oh, damn.
And then take that straight to his booker. Yeah, he was.
Yeah, I'll buy that argument.

Speaker 1 I think he was a blogger. Can I ask you a question about the two of you? Because you've been to Kentucky a bunch.
You've hosted the show.

Speaker 1 what is your favorite part about kentucky the burgoo i always say it it's like keenland burgu yeah i dream about it absolutely 100 i've never had the burgu but it sounds awesome have you been to keenland i know you yeah i've been to keeneland twice the uh the breeders cups at keenly next year it is again that so i will probably go again and uh yeah no i love kentucky i think the um

Speaker 1 we were talking with paul duca before but it is great when you get into lexington and like the rolling hills and it's very peaceful and uh i can't take you two to the mountains with me though because you've never been in life no thanks you don't want to go to eastern county oh i want to go to the mountains i'll stay

Speaker 1 i'll eat the burgundy you guys go to there's a county called breathett county that their official nickname is bloody breathett you're telling me you don't want to go no actually you don't want to go to bloody breathett actually i should should say my favorite part of kentucky is the fact that they uh painted the duckwork in the kentucky they changed that back blue they changed it back oh it's blue it used to be red i like this blue oh it is blue yeah i know

Speaker 6 they just changed it Well, because it used to be red.

Speaker 1 Drew Franklin wrote a whole series about how they were painting the duck work, and I was like, this can't be more boring, but more exciting. Like, that was the big off-season news.

Speaker 1 Yeah, part of the reason the traffic for blogs is going down is we write more about duckwork now than we used to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you need to get Kentucky to repaint it every year, otherwise, the blogs go downhill. Come on, guys, throw us a bone.
Yeah. I got one last question.

Speaker 1 I consider Memphis to be an honorary part of Kentucky. It's all like one state to me.
But the new court in Memphis, are you pro-it? Really?

Speaker 1 First of all, Memphis basketball is kind of becoming a bad word in Kentucky. Because, you know, Memphis announced recruits.

Speaker 1 You do not take any records. We need a number one recruiter.
Who wants James Wiseman anyway? Someone pays a little more. You get a little up.
That's true. FedEx money.
I agree. Wiseman dunks too much.

Speaker 1 He's one dimensional. He did, what, 20 dunks last game? It's too much.
But, you know, you remember Memphis was going to retire Cal, put Cal in the rafters.

Speaker 1 Not literally, but they were going to put the thing up there. That would have been a help.
That would have been a true friend. And the fans complained so much that they canceled it.

Speaker 1 And so, Cal, like, it's the only time I've known that Cal got his feelings hurt. He genuinely, because he got excited, he was going to go have it retired, and they canceled it.

Speaker 1 What were they going to hang up? Like, his suit?

Speaker 1 You can't retire his suit. Derek Rose.
He's his ACT score. Yeah, yeah, the front page where Cal signed Derek Rose.
Yeah. Well, he also had Chris Douglas Roberts.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And that's, there you go. That's the two.
Yeah, why not? All right, Matt Jones, thank you. Good luck on all the

Speaker 1 shows you're going to do, politics. I'm happy you got your sports takes out.
Let me ask you a question. If I end up running, will you all, like, you, I will make it.
No, I'm not going to cancel you.

Speaker 1 Take your radio show from you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I will commit. I would love to do, like, in the heat of the campaign, the big interview with you.
No, we'll cancel.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we will do it, and then we'll be like, why are you wearing Florida shoes? Canceled. There it is.
I'll embed myself with your campaign.

Speaker 1 I'll follow the followers.

Speaker 1 You are welcome to do that. I would love to do it.
I'll be the Hunter S. Thompson of your campaign.
I'll be the most famous Kentuckian from New York. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 you can pay me a salary to follow the follow guy.

Speaker 1 I'm going to follow the follower. I would actually like to do that following.
So you can just stand right behind him the whole time. I'll order the boneless wings.
He can get the bone in.

Speaker 1 All right, Matt Jones. Thank you so much.
Thank you.

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