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Today is Friday, October 11th, and I am starting to think that Clayton Kershaw is not good in the playoffs. Kershaw, yikes.
I'm starting to think that. The jury's still out.
I appreciate Dave Roberts trying to put him in just to invoke a mental change in him. He's like, this is the time, because I believe in my in my guy i'm gonna put him in and he'll be fine and it backfired on him big time that was a classic manager move where he goes heart overhead i actually i actually don't blame clayton kershaw for the implosion for the back-to-back home runs because he's not dominant clay clayton kersh anymore.
He's still very, very good. But he's not like Clayton Kershaw of five years ago with like a 1.7 ERA.
Right. And to put him out there with everything that he had in his head about the playoffs and all the struggles and all the blowups and put him out there against the heart of the Nats lineup when you have Maeda ready to go that's Dave Roberts fault yeah it was not good so there's three levels of managing there's the heart that you mentioned there's the head that you also mentioned you forgot about the gut though yeah so this was a gut call I think more than a heart call uh for Roberts but his heart convinced his gut to do it I think it was a bad call no what you are.
And you left out maybe the most important part of why it was a bad idea or what turned the game around, really, at that point. I gave a pretty good pump-up speech on the live stream.
Oh, who could forget? To the Nationals. It was electric.
Everyone's talking about it this morning. I actually saw people talking about it.
I didn't hear it, though. Goosebumps.
Can you give me a quick? No, I don't even know what I said. God spoke through me and channeled me to speak to the National And said you have one shot I forget what I said I can't replicate it You can go back to the live stream And pull up the quote It was poetry written by the hand of God himself It had nothing to do with Clayton Kershaw Being a bum in the playoffs had nothing to do with that I actually feel bad for him and I know that we got we had but you know how Twitter works where everyone says you feel bad for a guy who makes 30 million dollars a year yeah actually I do because Clayton Kershaw is you could maybe argue Max Scherzer maybe Justin Verlander the the best pitcher of this decade and he just stinks in the playoffs yeah he's just so so bad even the guys who we have these like arcs where they don't have the clutch gene no clutch most of them find the clutch gene eventually most of them have that last moment where it's like oh here we go everyone feel good for Clayton Kershaw they won World Series.
But no, this Dodgers team has won seven straight division titles, and they have nothing to show for it. And Clayton Kershaw, I read an article after where it was basically he was saying it will just pop up when he's on the golf course.
He'll just think, man, I suck in the playoffs. Yeah, and he just lives with that.
Yes, no, there is such a thing as the clutch gene to they need to study whatever is in his blood and figure out where the clutch gene can be isolated using pundit squares or whatever but this is a real thing with Clayton Kirchhoff it's fascinating to study because he is really really good but in the postseason he has the highest era of any pitcher in major league history after the sixth inning damn I think I just made that up but I heard something like that earlier sounds right no it is right but I may I might be wrong with like the sixth inning. Damn.
I think I just made that up, but I heard something like that earlier today. That sounds right.
No, it is right, but I might be wrong with the sixth or seventh inning, something along those lines. He's got up like 24 postseason home runs.
He gives up less than 24 home runs a season. Did you hear what he said after the game? He thinks that every time – this is the amount of pressure that he puts on himself.
He thinks every time he screws up in the playoffs, he is disappointing God because God gave him so much talent, and he's not fulfilling that. There's only one more thing for Clayton to do to try to turn this around, and that's go completely satanic.
Flip the script, embrace Satan, become goth Clayton Kershaw. Get cornrows.
Get cornrows. Go out there like Bronson Arroyo style.
Go out there with mascara on, maybe black lipstick. Just flip the script on God entirely.
See if Satan will give you a hand. Hold on.
While we're doing this, the games are going on. So we're going to make a bet.
Everyone write down how many first downs we think the Giants are going to get in the taping of this show. During the taping of this show.
So it's the first quarter right now. Okay.
I've down got mine too okay actually i'm gonna do this okay so yeah back to clayton kershaw the interview with barry zito is actually very like similar yes to dealing with how you deal with even though you make so much money the emotions of it are worse than anything can you imagine can you imagine not only having all the pressure of yourself but you also think that god is pressuring you you? He's in a bad mental place. I hope he's okay.
He should know that God was actually giving you the words. Yes.
He's good. God's cool.
And he should also know that if God's going to favor a starting pitcher, it's probably Bartolo Colon because he's got the second family like Moses. Yes, he does.
And so Clayton Kershaw, though though the worst part about his whole career is that he is so good that he always gets the Dodgers to the playoffs yeah so it's the classic situation where you would not be in the playoffs if Clayton Kershaw wasn't as good of a pitcher as dominant as a pitcher as he's been the last decade and then when he gets there so it's almost like this is actually a very good lesson to everyone. Never be great because then people expect you to be great in big moments and you might not have that.
Absolutely. Be average all the time.
Yes, I think we've given that advice out a few times on the show and it's absolutely true. Don't set expectations too high in anything that you do in life ever.
So other side of it we should give credit to uh natitude me for yeah you're gonna give me credit yeah yeah yes you god yes god well i give my credit all the glory to god yes natitude the nats are back they're going to be facing off against the cardinals in the nlcs uh by the way the cardinals did you did you hear the cardinals manager, his postgame speech? I did not. He swore so much and it was so offensive to me in the Cardinal way that I don't know.
That's a curse on them. They need to leave that locker room talk in the locker room.
So where was this speech that he gave? It was in the locker room. Okay, got it.
And it was on a periscope. Okay.
So yeah. I also saw a few people with their eyes wide open for Soto in the postgame celebrations to make sure that he didn't swallow any of the champagne correct because he's mbappe he's 19 he's forever 19 20 uh he's forever 19 in our eyes i actually thought that he was 19 because people said that he was 19 so much it's gonna be 21 in october i mbappe'd myself so by the end he's going to be able to drink champagne at World Series Game 7.
There you go. Team of destiny.
You're already saying that. So the Nationals have some very very obvious problems with their team.
Most notably that they have their relief pitchers are constituted entirely of starting pitchers. So they don't really have Fernando Rodney bro.
Yeah Fernando Rodney and Doolittle. Shoot that arrow and every time he comes in i'm like what and then they show his record it's like and i know he's there right i know he's there but then he pops up i'm like no yeah again it's it's not a formula that you would willingly put together for your team but you go to war with the army that you have not the army that you want so we to talk about the other game.
And we did something on Wednesday's show when we talked about Minnesota.

And we mentioned in that same sentence that the underrated saddest sports cities are Minnesota and Atlanta.

And Atlanta.

Atlanta's not really underrated, though.

No, but it is.

Because, again, it feels like Cleveland gets a lot of shine.

Buffalo gets a lot of shine.

Atlanta is truly the saddest place on earth when it comes to sports. MLS champions.
MLS champions, but they gave up 10 runs in the first inning. I've never seen anything like that.
They also have – so I wrote down some Atlanta stats. This is going to be – listen, this is a place of love.
I'm actually – I know Atlanta fans will be upset about this, but what we're doing here is shining light to your misery so that you can wave that flag and say, hey, we actually have it the worst. And it's helping the Minnesota fans heal.
Yes, that's right. And then on Monday we'll pick Detroit.
Yes. And then you guys can just go right there.
All right, so the Falcons. How about the Falcons? Let's start from the beginning where they weren't good for a very long time,

and then they went to the Super Bowl.

Well, they had Deion Sanders.

When the bright spot on your team is a punt returner,

you as a Bears fan know this more than anybody.

Oh, Devin Hester.

Yeah, it's not a great feeling to have for your team.

You have, like, occasionally when your defense gets a good stop

and you have a shot at a good return you get excited for that

moment but besides that the best offense there was absolutely nothing happening so then they went to a super bowl and then eugene robinson got caught with the prostitute the night before and got burned for a touchdown and lost to john elway 34 19 we should also say that he was the walter payton man of the year correct so hot seat chris long okay so that sucks but you went to the Super Bowl oh and then you drafted a few years later Michael Vick

franchise So hot seat Chris Long. Okay, so that sucks, but you went to the Super Bowl.
Oh, and then you drafted a few years later Michael Vick. Franchise quarterback.
Yeah, worth it for a few years. That Minnesota Vikings, and he also went to Lambeau in the playoffs.
Nobody had ever done that. And he was a pretty good dogfighter.
But when people, like when you think franchise quarterback, you don't really expect your franchise quarterback to go to jail for dogfighting and derail the whole franchise. Well, you don't ask questions for that in the combine interview.
You should. You do now, but you didn't at the time, so you live and you learn.
Counterpoint, yeah, they had Vic, but they also drafted Matt Schaub. Yeah, true.
And then they went 28-3 Super Bowl, which is the biggest collapse maybe in sports history. Here's a question.
Do you think it's worse to think about Falcons fans thinking about 28-3 or New Orleans fans thinking about the pass interference? 28-3. Which is harder to study.
28-3. 28-3 is just so incomprehensible.
Because with the Saints, you can always point the finger at the refs and be like, that's the reason why it didn't happen. We got screwed on that pass interference.
28-3, you have nobody to blame but yourself and maybe Kyle Shanahan. Me and God.
And Hank gave a great speech in the concourse. And then the Atlanta Hawks have never been to a final.
That sucks. And no one really cares about them.
The Braves won 14 straight division titles, and they had one World Series to show for it. The Braves had four Hall of Famers in their prime, Tom Glavin, John Smoltz, Chipper Jones, and Greg Maddox.
The Braves won six out of eight straight Cy Young Awards. Six out of eight straight Cy Young Awards.
They won one title, and on top of all of that, they have lost ten straight series since 2001. Do you want to play that game where we just – because those Braves teams of the mid-'90s, I would spend my days watching the Cubs.
The best. Because they were a nationally televised game.
And the Braves as well. And then I would watch the Braves on TBS along with Sanford & Son reruns whenever there would be a rain delay.
But I could just name – a very fun thing to do is just name Braves players. Fred McGriff.
Terry Pendleton. Ryan Klesko.
Big old booty. Greg, Greg.
Sorry. Greg.
Greg Blouser. No, Jeff Blouser.
Jeff Blouser. Greg Lemke.
No, Mark. Mark Lemke.
Jeff Blouser. Jeff Treadway.
Ron Gant. Ron Gant had huge biceps.
He did. Massive.
Awesome Lopez David Justice David Justice The crime dog Fred McGriff Fred McGriff's the crime dog Not David Justice David Justice got his house burned down Remember that? No wait that was Andre Risen Andre Risen that's also Atlanta Yeah that is Atlanta By TLC Is it one from Mike Bibby's like brother or some shit too? We're just naming everything Just sort of screwing it up Also the Civil War and Sherman Well sherman well no i'm not done to those days hold on i'm not done they had hockey teams two of them taken away the flames and the thrashers that's pretty tough to have two they never went to the playoffs and then finally if you're an atlanta sports fan you're most likely a georgia bulldogs fan you won a national title in 1980 you lost in pretty much a similar way in 2017 national title.

You lost in the SEC championship last year where you had maybe you should have been in

the play.

Got screwed out of the play.

And then I looked it up.

The Georgia Bulldogs in the last 17 years have finished in the top 10 10 out of 17 times.

That sucks.

And you have no titles.

And I'll go almost got spit roasted by Vivo last year.

So Atlanta, we feel your pain. Not literally.
No. We're going to say that.
Hold on. Hold on.
I'm going to pinch myself. I feel your pain to the extent that I feel bad for you.
Pinch yourself. Ah! Ow.
That's for you, Atlanta. Hair off your arm.
Ah! They do have Tom Crean and Amigos. Tom Crean.
And Migos, yeah.

And Ludacris.

And Dan Quinn's getting fired soon.

So it's all looking up for Atlanta.

But that was our Atlanta misery. And your stadium looks like a butthole.

10.

Losing.

Losing.

That 10 runs.

In the first inning.

I would rather lose.

Coke factory.

I would rather lose that way.

Delta Airlines.

I'd rather lose that way.

Oh, the bombing in the Atlanta Olympics. Well, I'm just saying.
That bad sports memory. It was, yeah.
You had an Olympics and there was a bombing. Yeah, it wasn't a good sports memory.
That sucked. Yeah, but I'd rather lose that way.
Go out early in the first inning. You know the game's over.
Then go to the... Not like that, though.
If the Nats had lost to the Dodgers on a walk-off home run in the bottom of the ninth inning, like I was sure they were going to do, I think that's a tougher loss to deal with than just getting blown out right out of the gate. If it was six runs, okay, I'd agree with you.
Ten runs, I actually thought my score app was like a glitch. When you see ten runs in the first inning, ten to nothing.
That was so, so painful. So Atlanta, we're sorry.
Now we have, we're set up. We're in the middle of the games right now, but the Astros are commanding the game 4-1.
Looks like we're going to get Astros-Yankees, which will be an unbelievable series, and Cardinals-Nationals, which will be a series. It will certainly be a series.
It will be a one of the two series. That's good for the podcast, though, because now we're just a Natitude podcast.
That's right. We got big Natitude future on that skin in the game for sure what about you hank and the cardinals and i hate the cardinals okay we're so we're an anti-cardinals podcast correct okay moving forward i'm just jumping on board uh big cat i'm actually shocked at some point in this history of the show you you didn't like fake be a cardinals fan for a while no i mean that would be right now central the red that's a bridge too far oh listen if the cardinals somehow lucked their way into winning a World Series this year I probably will just say well the NL Central is the best that's that's a bridge too far for me to troll you with that I'll put on a cheese head as an owner I'll do that but I'm not going to go to the St.
Louis Cardinals now I want can I give you a homework assignment for Monday's show sure something to look forward to I need you to give me a tutorial we probably should have done this today but we'll do it monday give me a tutorial on all the reasons why i should hate the car yes or if you just want to go off right now no i mean well i i if you want to prepare that's good too i'll give you a few to start all right one is obviously the fans and the best fans in baseball got it yadier molina will drive you insane yep they also will always come up with huge hits with

guys that look like they should be like you know serving you coffee or like serving you a beer like they're guys yeah they get guys got rolling right who just show up special yeah who just show up in big moments in october and you're like who the fuck is this guy and then wainwright i thought was dead and he's going gonna probably pitch a gem at some point in this postseason so just I'll make a full list but I'll add to it because we're gonna watch the first two games over the weekend and I'm sure they'll do something that will drive me nuts it's gonna drive you nuts because the Cardinals they just have this like dark magic that just is bullshit and they'll just win in bullshit ways and And I know Cardinals fans will be like, you're salty. Yeah, you know what? I am salty.
And he's only salty because you've beaten him so many times over the years. So it's actually a compliment to you.
Now, how about Brian McCann retiring, upstaging the game, I would say. Brian McCann retired during Game 5 of Nats Dodgers.
Not very sportsman-like of him. Not a custodian of the game move.
But I do think that that's going to make Yachty step up his custodian of the game responsibilities. Yes.
Knowing that McCann's gone. Yes.
He is the guy now because Brian McCann was the number one unwritten rule. Make sure that everything's in check guy.
So Yachty, I mean, Yachty's kind of been it for a while as well but it's really all his now i got something to keep our eye on here so this is a stat that's being tracked by baseball prospectus i don't have a membership so i didn't actually read the article but i read a tweet about the article and then i read all the replies to the tweet so i feel like i have a pretty good understanding of what's going on there uh the baseballs are not going as far in the playoffs there's a measurable wind resistance factor that was not there during the regular season now some people are saying well isn't that just the season changing and if you listen to last night's Dodgers broadcast uh the announcer said that it was because the games were at night and the ball doesn't travel as far as at night. I don't think that's true.
Maybe the gravitational

pull of the sun brings the balls

out, but what they're saying on baseball

prospectus is that they changed

the balls before the playoffs.

Smart. Raised the seams.
Smart.

So there's a lot of balls that should be home

runs that are dying at the warning track.

Pitcher's duel. Honestly, it's smart.

Get everyone to tune in for the explosive

regular season and then they kind

of have probably a sense of guilt like

we're ruining baseball. It's just, we'll play it

Thank you. your duel it's honestly it's smart get everyone to tune in for the explosive regular season and then they kind of have a probably a sense of guilt like we're ruining baseball it's just we'll play it fair for the playoffs so what was the braids pitching staff's excuse they didn't well they didn't give up home runs they didn't give us a single no no nothing no home runs yeah that listen that first out that sack punt out that was the cardinals nedio somewhere is I told you guys.
They bunted over and got the first out, and then they scored 10 runs off of that. Who's their manager again? Who? The Cardinals.
Schilt or something, whatever the fuck his name is. It's not the country music guy.
No, I wish it was still Mike Matheny. Mike Matheny was an all-time dum-dum.
Yeah. Like, one of my favorite dumb-dumb guys in the world.

Mike Schilt.

I remember hearing interviews with Mike Matheny, and I'm not a baseball analytics guy, as you could probably tell from the research that I put into that, but I would hear him talk

and I'd be like, this guy has no idea what he's talking about.

Yeah.

This guy's lucked his way into a lot of good stuff.

No, Mike Matheny, I miss him every single day.

Okay, let's do some...

He was a heart over gut guy.

Big time. Let's do some football talk.
He was a heart over gut guy. Big time.

Let's do some football talk.

Oh, and we also have some Larry's picks.

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So on any kind of a long week, you know what his one loss was against? The 49ers. No.
Patriots in the Super Bowl. Okay, so Rams, Ravens.
Ravens will not lose. Just put that one away.
They're playing the Bengals, and the Cowboys will not lose. They're playing the Jets.
Yep. Let's do some preview.
So this is town. This is, oh, you have a loser.
I actually have just a loser leaves my brain. Loser leaves the NFL and is relegated to the MLS.
I like this because I think we probably have the same Redskins Dolphins. Oh, oh, I had.
Okay. So I broke it down.
I have a loser leaves town game, but I had, we have two toilet bowls this week. Okay.
We have the Redskins Dolphins is a toilet bowl and we have the falcons cardinals is a toilet bowl yeah so this is not the best slate of games the texans chiefs is probably the best game early it's a really good game you know what's my brain don't worry those two quarterbacks are fine whatever they were they drafted the same year yeah what year was that who was the who was drafted you know what okay can i say this real quick because it's bullshit here comes trig cat no jo uh what's his name solomon thomas uh-huh the pick that the 49ers made he can't even get on the field he plays quarterback too he can't no he can't get on the field he's the third pick okay mitch plays the browns could have the browns were drafting first they could have had one of those guys. I'm trying to change the narrative.

That the Browns were the ones who... Wait, by taking our friend Baker?

No, Miles Garrett.

Oh, Miles Garrett.

That's right.

That was a Miles Garrett draft.

My bad.

All right, so I have a loser leaves town game.

Okay.

Also, I think if you guys didn't trade for it, that's where it's really...

You guys just had the pick and you made it.

Shut up.

It's one thing, but the fact that you're like, we need to trade up.

Not that it was a good decision.

But the 49ers took Solomon Thomas. He stinks.
But they didn't need a quarterback. But he stinks.
Loser leaves town. Broncos tightens.
Season is over for the loser of this game. I think the Broncos season's already over.
Ah, you're going to quit on your boy? Oh, my Vic Fangio? No. Joe Flacco.
No, Joe Flacco. I'm a Joe Flacco realist.
Okay? If he is, he's... Whoa.
Yeah. Whoa.
Listen, I believe in him to an extent. Breaking news.
I believe in him to an extent. He's like Phillip Rivers if Phillip Rivers could actually throw that fourth quarter touchdown that gives them the lead.
The problem is his team... Phillip Rivers can't throw it anymore either.
He doesn't. He doesn't.
And, well, Joe Flacco still can, but his defense gives it up.

Patriots just blocked a punt.

Okay.

So, that was my loser leaves town.

Is that Winovich?

Wouldn't you say, though?

He's changing the narrative around chases as we speak.

Wouldn't you say?

I like the Titans.

Awesome flow.

I like the Titans in this game because you've got to take the underdog.

When the Titans are underdogs, you've got to take them.

But wouldn't you say if the Titans lose this game, it feels a little bleak?

Yeah.

I think they're done.

Right. So, all right.
So that was my loser leaves town. Did you have a loser leaves town? No, just my loser is done with football.
It becomes a FUTBOL team. Also a reminder to everyone, we have a true London game this week.
Make sure you get your bet in because 930 comes faster than you think. That's right.
Put it in the night'm only giving myself i'm allocating myself to arians aerial attack in london jokes that i'm making well you're gonna be all the way on the west coast you're not gonna be that's true i'm that's gonna be 6 a.m you need to set them as schedule a schedule the tweets yeah i will i'll put them in in hoot suite and get them ready to go not the first time an arians has struggled with an aerial attack in London, folks. So everyone can just reply to that.
Just hope. Just drop it for like...
Yeah. Everyone reply to it.
You think Jameis Winston is going to play well in London? He's probably not even allowed in the country. So schedule for like 7.15 West Coast time and then maybe one for like 10.30.
Do the exact same tweet and then everyone just replies, schedule tweet PFT. Yeah, there you go.
It's going to be weird watching this game not even in America. Yeah.
Because I'm going to be in Canada. In Vancouver.
In Vancouver. Oh, they even have it.
Yeah, you're not going to be able to watch it. Dude.
Yeah, they'll have NFL games, and I'll be loudly explaining to all the CFL fans the different rules. Now, this is called— I don't think they have TVs.
I'm just going to ask everybody I meet what a rouge is. I don't know if you should be that confident.
Oh, sorry. We don't have TVs now.
He's upset right now. We've got a beaver who He's going to the accent because he knows he might not be able to watch all the games.
You're going to wake up like still drunk. Yeah.
And then be on like a Reddit stream on your phone. The hotel.
You think the hotel in Canada has the NFL network? That's a good... Well, I'm not in a hotel.
Oh, there you go. I'm in a house.
Even worse. It's a log cabin.
Yeah, you know Canadians local. I'm in a log cabin that's heated by just like a fireplace filled with syrup.
You just listen to PFT's brain just panic and just go right to an accent when we showed him the fact that he might not be able to watch every NFL game. So if there's not a Monday part of my take, it's because they don't allow computers in Canada.
They think that they're tools of the devil. There is Monday part of my take.
We will record it, and it will be great. Okay, so let's do some picks.
Favorites. Hank.
Wait. Are we sure they're good? Oh, you have one.
Because I've got the 49ers and the Rams, and are we sure they're good? You're still thinking the 49ers might not be good? Well, the 49ers lost a very key component to their attack on Monday night. They lost their fullback, Jushik.
And then they brought in like seven fullbacks to try out this week. I don't know who they end up going with, but they're going to struggle to fill that role because Jushik is really, really good.
Correct. and they use him in a way that is kind of key to their offense.
They might put Kittle in there to do some of the blocking stuff that he's been doing. I don't know.
But they had, I think they had like Rybkowski. Giants first down.
Giants first down. There's one of them.
Should we reveal now? I have three. Can I finish with fullbacks? I have one.
Is that okay? You've won. You can at least pretend that you're listening to talk about fullbacks.

I was piggybacking on Big Cat's interruption.

I wouldn't have interrupted that if Big Cat hadn't first.

No, no, I want to hear the fullbacks.

My whole point is the rushing attack is not going to have the same fullback this time.

And they had a lot of fullbacks.

What's the collective term for a group of fullbacks?

You know, it's a murder.

Happy we let you finish that point.

It's a murder of crows.

It's a rush more of fullbacks.

Yeah.

They brought in a Russian... term for a group of fullbacks.
Happy we let you finish that point. It's a murder of crows.
It's a rush more of fullbacks. How many first downs do you have the Giants? On the count of three.
We already said it. I said three.
I was talking about fullbacks. I have five.
Alright, so that was your loser leaves. Are we sure they're good? I don't know if the Rams are still good.
I actually would argue that there's a half of an are we sure they're good game in the Texans going to the Chiefs. If the Texans win that game, I will consider the Texans very good.
Okay. Wouldn't you agree? You will personally consider the Texans very good? Yes.
Okay. Ah, very good seems strong.
I think they're very good if they beat the Chiefs. Good-ish.

In between good and very good. I could see this being a trap game, though, where the Chiefs are

banged up. The Texans could win this game, and then

they meet in the playoffs, and the Chiefs win by 40.

Yeah. Oh, I like that, Hank.
Okay.

Hank, give us your favorite.

My favorite is going to

be

the Chargers. Really?

Yeah. Call me

Libwood, but the fact that

Mason Rudolph, they're letting him take snaps and he's practicing. He might start on Sunday.
Duck? How do you not start? Do you know Duck's in AWL? I know that. Yeah.
But that's what I'm saying. Duck Dynasty.
I just assume that he's... But I've seen a bunch of reports.
They're letting Mason Rudolph take snaps. What does this have to do with Libwood? I just feel like people are like, oh, it's a liberal take.

Concussions have a well-known left-leaning bias.

Yes.

Belief in concussions.

Yes.

All Democrats believe concussions.

I believe that if you get knocked out while you're playing,

you should probably take minimum a week off.

The fact that that might not happen.

All right.

Socialist tank.

Hopefully someday we'll get to a point where we can cross the party line

and agree concussions are real.

Both sides.

It's... off the fact all right all right might not happen all right socialist tank hopefully someday we'll get to a point where we can cross the party line and agree concussions are real both sides aoc would bipartisan politics concussions are real uh all right uh pft what's your favorite my favorite is jacksonville minus one and a half at home against the saints this is a game that i i'm just perplexed by this line my my dumb brain can't wrap itself around.
Is that what it's called? No. Okay.
I don't know what the Vegas zone is. No one does.
Okay. The Jacko zone.
One and a half point favorites at home against New Orleans. I get there's home field advantage, and I get that Minshew Magic is good, and he's going to make me want to go out and light a hand grenade on fire on Bourbon Street and then pour it into – I'm not going to finish that.
Okay. But I get that there's the Minshew magic going on.
I get it's a home game, but still, the Saints just feel like they should be favored in this game. Correct.
And they're not. So obviously my brain is stupid, so I'm going against my brain.
I like that. I like that.
All right. My favorite is going to be, I was going to go with the Rams, but that fullback speech you gave me makes me a little nervous.

I'm not going to lie.

Yeah.

I'll stick with the Rams.

I'll stick with the Rams minus three.

I think the Rams are going to, I think it's just a classic NFL situation where one team

really needs a win and one team doesn't.

The 49ers don't need this win.

The Rams need this.

Also, it's a short week for the 49ers.

Thank you. situation where one team really needs a win and one team doesn't like the 49ers don't need this win the rams need this also it's a short week for the 49ers it's a long week for the rams uh hank your underdog dolphins oh okay you're gonna do that oh yeah that's gross it's exciting i it is kind of it's thrilling i've been betting on the dolphins all year and it's fun until you lose every week well's the thing.
This is completely different circumstances. Yes, you're right.
It is. You know what the difference is? The Redskins have an interim head coach.
And you know how we feel about interim head coaches. But it's not Jim.
And this is like the whole team is completely lost. Callahan is a big-time interim head coach.
He's got a running sprint. He says that he's going to give Adrian Peterson the ball 40 times this weekend.

Hold on, Hank.

Here's all you have to do.

If this bet loses, whatever happens, you just have to walk around and tell everyone the Redskins shouldn't be three and a half point favorites against anyone.

And then you can make your – even if you lose.

If the Redskins win by 14, you'd be like, guess what?

I'd do it again because the Redskins shouldn't be three and a half point favorites against anyone uh pft your underdog my underdog is philly philly plus three at minnesota i like that yeah like i love this although this is kirk cousins going up against a defense hold on here's the only thing that makes me nervous about this pick doesn't this feel like the kirk cousins wins a quote-unquote big game but it's not really a big game because it's one o'clock on a Sunday. So he can say, well, Kirk Cousins won the big game just to fool everyone a little bit more.
Last week was Kirk Cousins winning a game against a team. So he beat the Giants.
Yeah, he beat the Giants. And that was a huge game for him because he got a phone call from Trump afterwards.
He did. Trump called him to congratulate him on beating the New York Giants.
Wow. And so to him, that's like, you know, he's riding high off that congratulations.
I feel like he's overlooking the Eagles at home. That's true.
Okay, so my underdog, I'm going to go Steelers. It would be great if Trump just called Cousins after every single game this year that he won.
It was like, good job. Or every game.
He just said, good game. Yeah.
Yeah. You don't believe in concussions? Trump? No, I think Duck is going to play, and he's going to be great.
Duck Fox. Duck Fox.
But he should be getting all the snaps. Hank, you are.
I like that. If they do cover, it's duck and cover.
Yeah. Duck, tweet us when you get to this part of the podcast.
Hank, go with your over. My over, I'm going to take the Eagles Vikings.
Okay. I like that.
PFT? My over, I'm going to take Texans and Kansas City Chiefs with two quarterbacks like that. I don't know how you could ever expect them to score less than 27 points each.
They're both young. Under off.
Under off. I'm taking the under in that game.
Oh, okay. That's an under off.
All right. My over is going to be Seahawks-Browns over 46 and a half.

I just feel like the defense for the Seahawks is never good on grass.

I'm still thinking back on my over pick.

I'm so excited to watch those two guys go out there and sling it around.

All right.

So you have that under, the Texans-Chiefs.

I'm going to take the under on the Panthers-Bucks just because if you –

no one likes to bet unders.

This is the perfect time to bet an under because you can sleep through the game.

Oh,

you take a nap.

That's a great point.

Yeah.

47 and a half.

I like,

uh,

my under channel NFL network,

not available in Canada,

BBC.

They'll probably have the BBC there.

Uh,

my actual under is Cincinnati,

Baltimore 48.

I don't know how Cincinnati is scoring more than zero points in this game. Yeah, that's probably fair.
I want to take the under on Cincinnati to score one point. Although the Ravens, I've been...
Every now and then, we do so many of these shows that you forget something you say a few times, and Ravens fans are getting very mad because I keep calling them frauds. Prove it.
Personally prove it to me. No, they're not frauds.
They're bums at this point. Personally prove it to me, Ravens.
You have to prove it to me. I think the Bengals are going to win ours.
Oh, Hank, stop. Yep, I do.
Hank's addicted to the money lines. You're insane.
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Rams, Ravens, Cowboys. How does that lose? Ravens, I just told you.
Who? That cannot lose. I'm going to hit it this week.
Okay, let's do some fantasy fuckboys. Let's get some interviews.
What's up? Oh, fuck. I didn't even do a fucking name.
Oh, fuck. What up, boys? It's Shulay Santorini.

My stardom this week is marble racing.

Yeah.

You need that extra fix during the week.

You can't wait for Sunday or Saturday.

You go on YouTube, type in some marble racing.

It's a fucking rush.

Hell yeah.

Better than the ponies.

Hell yeah.

My stardom is silver. It was a terrible week for silver financially.

It's now only worth $17.60 per ounce. That's down three cents from last week.
Frankie Finance. Shit.
That sucks. And my sleeper is Byron Pringle.
Who's that? He's on the Chiefs and he, well, I fucking love Pringles. Hell yeah.
And he caught a touchdown. Once you stop, you cannot, once you pop, you cannot stop.
Just slice him up and you put him in the tennis ball can. All right.
What's up? My name is Johnny Soterino. I'm starting fat bears.
I'm talking big old bears. They're eating seven kinds of fish like it's Christmas time up in the Alaska.
Because they're so easy to fucking grab. They're getting fat as fuck.
They're hibernating to get a big ass nap. Hey, hey, we don't eat fish in this family.
Not fish unless your name's Junior Soprano. But these bears, holy Toledo.
They're so big and hairy I thought it was my ex-wife. Oh, got them.
I'm sitting methamphetamines. That's right.
I feel the need for speed. The need for speed.
But I'm going to get my bank a crank from my TV this weekend on Netflix. Because Breaking Bad is coming out with a movie.
It's time to Netflix and pill. Not Netflix and jail.
Breaking Bad. Check it out.
My sleeper is Tyler Lockett. That's right.
He's a virgin just like Maria. Just like Maria.
Big virgin. The Immaculate Receptions this weekend.
He's going to be good with his hands. Great with his mouth.
All right. All right.
This is Tommy Tortellini and my stardom this week. PFT already said it.
Deshaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes. These guys, fuck.
These guys are going to throw it up and down the field. I couldn't imagine they're not taking these guys in the 2017 draft.
I'm not upset about it. You're totally not hanging on this.
My sit-em is Purdue. Purdue.
No fun Purdue. I try not to make fun of Purdue but they band gambling on Purdue.
At Purdue. Come on Purdue.
That's Purdue do. My sleepless candles.
It's candle season. Like that candle.
Don't go outside. Just light a candle.
Give yourself a little extra ambiance inside. Yeah.
Like that SEC. That 330 SEC game.
Hit that candle. Feels like fall.
That's right, like that John Wick. All right.
I'm not going to make fun of Purdue. Okay, I will.
They ban gambling on their campus. You can't gamble even though it's legal in Indiana to bet on sports.
Who enforces that? You can't gamble on a Purdue game if you're a student. Who enforces that? I'm not going to make fun of Purdue.
I want credit from all of Purdue right now. What if I go? We take a trip to Purdue and go on campus and we put a bet in.
Expelled. Well, you'd never be able to get it.
Yeah, you can't get it. Look, that was something nice about Purdue.
It's an engineering school. I can't get into Purdue.
I don't think I could get into Purdue. Yeah, I probably can't either.
But still, I wouldn't want to, under any circumstances, ever go there, even with a full ride. But I'm not going to make fun of Purdue.

I'm just going to read something that was said.

They said that they did this because they don't want students

talking to athletes and getting tips because, for instance,

just because you ask a football player who's in a group with you,

how's your arm doing or how is your injury,

that the football player would have to say,

are they asking me that because they want to place a bet on me? Yeah. That's exactly what they're doing.
Yes, they're trying to get some inside info. You know what? Why are you punishing students for making good choices and good investments with their money? Again, I'm not going to make fun of Purdue, but is there an alternate thinking here where they're actually saving Purdue students from themselves because Purdue is so bad that if they can't bet on Purdue they won't lose that money.
You're only allowed to bet on Purdue games against Ohio State. You're only allowed to bet against Purdue.
That's a money maker. That's as good as any savings plan.
Get that endowment up. There you go.
Boom. I fixed Purdue.
That's probably what's up. So the school is just betting all their money on Purdue or against Purdue and they don't want the student body to be putting all these small bets in and changing the lines making the spread move.
Didn't make fun of Purdue. Do you ever think Vanderbilt gets a bad rap because they have the same colors? I think Vanderbilt gets exactly the bad rap that it deserves.
I think Vanderbilt deserves every bad rap they get because they are very bad. Although we had a good time when we were there.
Sometimes I think Vanderbilt is Purdue.

I have to place it in my head.

Because they both don't win football games?

Vanderbilt is Purdue.

Not making fun of Purdue.

Vanderbilt is Purdue.

That was a Vanderbilt joke.

If Purdue's dad was a finance lawyer, not an employment lawyer.

They both stink at football.

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I don't know about that.

I don't know about that.

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Catch me outside.

Yeah.

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Sold out everywhere. Larry has the Chiefs, and we have Barry Zito.
Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is Barry Zito.
He's got a new book out. It's called Curveball.
We have it right here. If you're watching on Barstool Gold, you decided to go with the orange color how'd you get the name curveball for it that's kind of weird okay so the first cover was actually going to be more like yellowy and i was like but a lot of the lessons was was when i was wearing the orange and black right that's fair so you know that's kind of the deal but i so doing research for this interview um i realized that you moved to Nashville and live in live in nashville and that's the most barry zito thing ever like i knew i you i knew you moved to nashville before i knew you moved to nashville really yeah just because i feel like that's a perfect place for barry zito to play guitar pursue his music career which we'll get into yeah and just be a cool dude that's cool man i think i think i was go i mean shoot i was i think i was running away from california and all the i was like they beat up little puppy man right i just ran to the other side of the country so so in your book you talk about your entire career um i guess we'll why don't we start with uh you know just coming up in in major league baseball and being part of a great rotation and being a guy who makes a splash wins a cy young his third you know season in Major League Baseball and being part of a great rotation and being a guy who makes a splash, wins a Cy Young, his third season in Major League Baseball, was there a moment in those first few years where you were like, holy shit, this is actually all happening to me right now? It kind of was, yeah.
I mean, it was a whirlwind. I mean, have you ever heard this thing? They say it's like the path of mastery, and so the first stage of the three is the unconscious competence.
You're just super good. You don don't know why you're just killing it and that was kind of what those years were for me so you know I had a lot of momentum from college and actually I was only throwing like 81 in high schools but I transformed my delivery and started picking up all this velo and so you know once college hit it was just kind of a whirlwind and that kind of stopped a little bit after the Cy Young.
That's when I was like, oh, crap.

What's going on?

This is crazy.

Right.

So you think that you were a little bit better when you weren't thinking about how good you were at the time,

like when you were just going out there and doing it,

and then all of a sudden, along with the Cy Young and all these accolades,

also comes the pressure of expectation a little bit.

Totally, dude.

You know, the sophomore slump, right?

Or you see it in music, the first record, like crazy, and then they're like wait how do i do that again right yeah that's when you sell out yeah that's right that's when you yeah that's when you sell out but i think it's the self-consciousness really is the enemy right i think in anything we do if we're like aware of ourself and how people perceive us then all of a sudden we're like consciously doing things to like win favor.

Right.

So do you look back on those first three years?

You're like, man, that was awesome when I wasn't thinking about it,

when I was just going out and throwing and dominating.

Absolutely.

I mean, it was so fun.

But also it's like it's hard to reproduce that

because it's not really a conscious effort to not think.

You're just not thinking.

Right.

And, you know, and that path of mastery I was talking about,

the third stage is the conscious competence. You're like, I'm good and i know how to get that out of myself but of course the middle stage is the hardest which is the conscious incompetence like i'm trying and i suck this is the worst thing ever right i i read that you did a you did a lot of reading to kind of get yourself to that third stage and you got into doing transcendental meditation is that true yeah how Yeah.
How do you transcendentally meditate? Because I want to start, I don't know what it is, but I know that I want to tell people that I do it. I don't necessarily want to do it.
I just want to say that I do it. That's the first step, right? You just tell everyone you're doing it.
You know, if you want to sound like a real veteran, you say, I'm doing TM. But a good friend of mine, Bob Roth, who is here he runs the david lynch foundation and they do all kinds of great stuff with kids and veterans but tm is basically a practice that was brought over by the uh maharishi maha yogi of course from uh you don't have to mansplain the maharishi matter yoga to us we're familiar that's your guy um he brought it over to mccartney and lennon in the 60s right and they started doing it so it's and it's a practice that spans all religions all walks of life and you just sit there and 20 minutes of meditation you have your mantra that nobody else can know and it calms you down and it's basically a way to just decompress your mind have you ever told anyone your mantra did you change it not even my wife really yeah.
Really? Yeah. It's probably the only thing I haven't told her.

Well, this is the perfect time to say it.

Nobody listens to this show.

Breaking news.

Barry Zito's mantra.

Do you change your mantra?

No.

When you get taught TM, you learn it.

And your teacher gives it to you, and that's it.

Have you ever accidentally told your mantra out there?

Never once.

Can you slip it into this interview without us knowing?

Like subliminally?

Yeah. Just say the word, and we just won't know.
Is it an English word? No, it's like some Eastern word that I've never heard. Oh, okay.
All right. All right.
So you can't do that. That's fair.
So the other part of your career that is very fascinating is you were the first big contract, for a pitcher at least. It was a contract that I remember when you signed it, everyone said shit barry zito to the giants i said that too yeah for 126 million dollars and you've talked a lot about the expectations and living up to it when you sign that contract when you put like pen to paper what is the first thought that comes to your mind and then like going into that next season because i it's always fascinating to me are you saying i've already made it so whatever happens happens or are you trying to live up to it no that detachment as i call it where you're like you know i mean it's like you guys come in here ideally i think you would just you know bust your tail to do as best you can and really you can't take responsibility for what everyone else thinks because you guys can only do what you're doing here right so that i think is a very healthy mindset and what I was doing was uh after the Cy Young oh wow all these people love me they approve of me and you know I grew up with a father where I was trying to perform and win his approval so like be good at baseball to like win his approval right and then all of a sudden I was pitching for all these people trying to be good at baseball so they would approve of me.
So the contract really was like, felt like a very daunting, heavy thing that was on my shoulders. I didn't perceive it as like, oh, that's amazing.
Okay, I'm going to go beat some, you know, win some games. It was like, oh gosh, how do I justify this? How do I prove that I'm worth it every five days? And if I do anything short of throwing a CG shutout, it's really a letdown.
So that's kind of where it all started getting unraveled. You just invented Mo Money, Mo Problems right there.
Oh, dude. That's what that's about.
Yeah, absolutely. A lot of new concepts, right? Yeah, the interesting part to me, though, in baseball, because there is no salary cap, I've always taken the perspective, like if my team signs someone huge, I'm like, you know, I don't really care because there's no salary cap.
Like, of course, there are some restrictions and owners don't want to spend endless amounts of money. Sure.
But why not? Like it's not it wouldn't be the same as Barry Zito took up 30 percent of the salary cap. And now we can't do anything going forward.
I'm always like guys get paid what they get paid. And why be mad at them? Be mad at the owner if you want or the GM.
But don't be mad at the player do you think that that might be actually a new thing that's kind of come along uh recently in like sports fandom and not when you signed your contract in 2007 it's a really interesting perspective i mean because yeah you're taking that pie chart right you're taking a big slice and they're smaller for everyone else but without a cap you're right they can technically do anything they want to do i mean for like the Barry Bonds era was kind of coming. You know, it was on its way out.
Barry and I played together for one year. Those shirts that don't ask Barry.
Yeah, don't ask me. Don't ask.
Yeah. And spring training when you guys wear those shirts.
Yeah, exactly. Good memory.
Yeah. So I played with Barry for a year.
And of course, they brought me in to be the face of the franchise. So here I am thinking, you know, I was kind of this kid in the Bay Area that, you know, the A's don't get a lot of attention.
We just kind of were really good all the time. We never made a lot of waves in the media.
And then now you go across the Bay. It's only a few miles.
But it felt like a different world because, you know, in San Francisco, everyone's wearing suits. It's like, you know, they're flying like the fancy planes and all that kind of stuff.
So for me, I just was like, oh, wow, I have to become a little more rigid, a little more professional. And, you know, being that kind of loose cannon that I was in Oakland, I felt like it didn't wasn't going to fly.
So I actually kind of changed my approach. And I think that's where we all screw up.
Right. Yeah.
Like we got to change for them instead of just be ourselves. And whatever happens, happens.
Yeah. So you move right across town.
You get a big new contract. Did you actually get a new house? I got the craziest house ever because my ego at that point was spiraling out of control.
Did you have a grotto? In the city? Was it in San Francisco? I didn't have a grotto, but I had a grotto in L.A., though. Nice.
Nice. Did you buy a house in the city in San Francisco? No.
Funny enough, I lived in the city for four of my seven years in Oakland,

but when I signed with the Giants,

I was terrified to be anywhere near Giants fans

because I kind of somehow knew that this thing was going to just be shaky.

So I got a house like an hour north of the Golden Gate Bridge

in this little mountain town called Kent Field

and just bought this mansion that was way too much money.

But for my ego, man, I was like, yeah, I'm a rock star, man. This is what I do.
It was like Italian villa, like marble floors and mountain views and way too much stuff. What was the most unnecessary thing that you bought when you got that big new contract? Looking back on it, there were probably some moves that you made that were like, wow, that was dumb, but it was fun at the time.
Yeah, I think, well, you know, when your ego's leading, man, it's like there's no satiation, right? It's like a bottomless hole. So for me, it was, I mean, I bought like four GTs and R8s, McLarens, like all these things.
And I had this house on the top of the hill in Hollywood. That was kind of like my main home because I would always go home to L.A.
So, man, I was spending, I mean, I painted the house purple. I mean, I was like way over the top.
I had like orange mirrors on the ceiling, waterfalls in the house, you know. Yeah.
Britney Spears living right under me. Sounds pretty sick.
Wait, actually? Yeah. Oh, wow.
Congrats. I never met her because, you know, like she was Britney Spears.
You guys were in different circles? But you're Barry Zito. Yeah, that's true.
After me, you're Barry Zito. Oh, you know, in L.A., man, athletes are small fish.
You ever just go outside and start throwing a curve and just be shirtless and wait for her to walk outside to a curve? Oh, sorry. I didn't know that you were coming out.
I was just practicing my curveball. Oh, hey, what's up? Yeah, yeah.
Got my shirt off. Here's my guitar.
You mentioned Barry Bonds. Did you ever have an honest conversation with him about all of the Balco stuff the steroid allegations I never did man you know um I was fortunate to be on Barry's maybe on the trust in the trust circle I felt like even when I played for Oakland I'd come say hello behind the cage you know batting practice he was always so nice to me and just gave me that you know that smile that he's got that's infectious and um so when i came over and played you know we had lockers next to each other and um there's even a picture of barry in the book you know where i took i just took him you know watching his tv getting ready to go break some records but um we had a great relationship but i never wanted to you know broach those conversations right yeah that's a that's a i feel like there's there's no good way to have that conversation with somebody that's your buddy.
I think you just go like, hey, so. So like Balco.
Yeah. So what's up with that? Your nuts are small now.
I know. What's going on? Hey, your hat is like I put your hat on by accident the other day and it was basically a sweater.
Yeah. What's up with that? That could work.
Yeah. You can't.
You can't. You can't.
You can't. That was a buddy.
I just watched Moneyball for the second time, like last week. Were you pissed off that you didn't get more shine in that movie and that book? You know, that was a story, right? That was a Hollywood story.
It was a good story. I think there was a lot of truth to, obviously, what Billy Bean and Paul D.
Podesta did and how they approached it. But there was a lot more factors, right? That team had an MVP, a Cy Young winner.
and actually, I don't know if many people know this, but the original Moneyball was written by Steven Soderbergh. I think it was going to be directed by him.
And me, Mulder, and Huddy were going to star in it. Or not star, but like Camille.
Be in it, yeah. At least have you in the movie.
Yeah, and I think that version was going to tell the total real story. and it probably wasn't going to be that interesting to non baseball fans.

And it actually got scrapped before it,

uh,

and they started over on it.

And they're like,

you know what,

you know what moviegoers want to see is Hatterberg more Hatterberg all the

time.

I mean,

he's a good looking dude,

so I don't mind staring at Hatterberg.

Right.

When Pratt played him,

that was weird.

Yeah,

that was,

yeah,

no,

when Billy Bean was doing all that stuff and you guys are in the locker

room,

do you know, did he explain it to you? Did he say, Hey, this is our approach because we're going to bring in some guys that maybe you guys are looking at and like, who the fuck is this guy? How is he going to help us win? Did he explain that beforehand? I don't. We never got sat down.
The thing about Moneyball, Billy Bean never held a meeting in the clubhouse. I don't think a GM has ever held a meeting in the clubhouse.
That's a don't i don't think a gm has ever held a meeting in a clubhouse that's a manager thing right um so you know but uh you know with hattie i remember spring training that year hattie came over and i was like oh i pitched against this guy with the socks you know he was catching and then he was at first base and he was trying to you know get his feet under him really at first base and taking ground balls and you know he was having a tough go at it at first uh and then he just started picking it over there like no one else. I mean, he adjusted so quickly to a new position.
That was amazing. Right.
So were any of these guys, did you quietly think, like, what the fuck are we doing? Like, some of these guys can't hit not realizing, oh, he's bringing them in for walks or he's bringing them in for this skill. Did you have that conversation? That was, I mean, that was, I got brought up into that kind of way of doing it baseball wise with billy ball and you know that whole thing you know not billy martin but billy beanball and uh you know so when i came up 2000 we were a home run and walk team you know jason jambi was leading the charge and win the mvp so you know that that's just how we did it yeah yeah did you go ahead did they ever any conversations with you? Because I know that at least in the book, in the movie, they show Billy talking to some of the players and saying, hey, we want to work the counts a little bit more, get the pitch count up there against the other guy.
Did he ever have any conversations with you from like a larger perspective about how different statistics that you might not have thought about can actually help the team in the long run? No, they never sat us down with the logistics and all that. I mean, we knew that we were hiring guys that were going to walk a little bit more, and we knew we would never sack bunt.
In fact, we'd be sitting in the dugout sometimes through those years and being like, so this might be a good time to bunt. Yeah.
No, we're not bunting. You're a great bunter.
That's one of your secret skills. Oh, yeah.
You're bunting, especially with the Giants. I remember you laid down that one for a base hit in RBI, right? Yeah.
Is that the Cardinals, right? Cardinals, yeah. Yeah, that was one of the all-time bunts.
Is that something that when you were on the A's, you're like, man, I just wish I could get – just put me in as a DH and just let me bunt one real quick. Oh, man.
Yeah, you know what? I wasn't good enough to play on my freshman team in high school as a hitter. That's when I stopped hitting.

So I had to learn how to hit in the big leagues, which was not fun.

Not that I ever even learned.

But I did learn how to bunt.

I actually think I read it beforehand.

I think you have the most career hits without getting an extra base hit.

Amazing.

Thank you.

You have 35 singles.

I like consistency.

Yeah.

He never hit a double, never hit a whole bunch.

You're not trying to show anybody up out there. Same guy every day.
Singles all the time. Singles hitter only.
So in the book, Curveball, you talk about 2010 and the Giants winning the World Series and you being left off the World Series roster and rooting against your team. This is fascinating to me because I've always believed this with athletes.
Athletes are so competitive that when they're injured or they're out there's a small part of them that's rooting against their team and you're admitting it what what was like what was it like going through that what was it like being left off that roster and were you sitting there actually like actively rooting against your team you know what i mean i'm just gonna be honest this is a phenomenon that does happen you're right yeah sports i mean because here's the thing in college it's rah rah right top of the you know front of the dugout here we are we're a team and then you go into pro ball and you become an independent contractor and you're like best friends with your buddy but then he gets called up to double a right and that so you know you look at the big leagues is like let's say two guys are best friends one of them gets the job one goes to triple a one's financial situation is much different than the others and then that starts to get weird with the relationship right so that's just kind of the nature of pro sports like you said so yeah i mean i was hoping that again my ego was in control you know chasing women buying cars and mansions and all that and so i'm thinking, if they can lose this, it proves they don't need me. So I'm hoping that they lose.
And also, I was so miserable being in the dugout watching them, you know. But when Bochy told me in 2010, hey, you know, we're going to go to the playoffs and we've got to take our top four guys, and I'm sorry, you know, like why don't you just go home, regroup, and come back in spring training? I was like, dude, boats, like, I've been working my whole life for a World Series.
How am I going to go home right now? Like, can I at least stay and work out in case someone gets hurt? So I'm, like, fighting to just stay as a bench warmer. And he let me, and it was cool.
But, yeah, I mean, I was miserable, man. I mean, my boys were out there doing what I always dreamed and trying to act, you know, happy in the champagne celebrations as we advance every round and trying to hide in my locker most days and pull my hoodie over.
I mean, it was a nightmare. Did you ever catch yourself accidentally rooting for the other team like in the dugout? Like fist pumping? Yeah, that would be a...
Like just forgetting where you are for a second? No. No, man.
No. But you'd be amazed how many guys I've come across in the years that have shared with that.
That's just a phenomenon. I think it's common.
Yeah, I love the honest. We were talking to Gordon Hayward a while ago when he got hurt, and he was talking about watching the Celtics compete in the postseason.
I think most real competitors, a lot of them won't admit it. But deep down inside, they all have that feeling.
Like, if I'm not going to be there, then fuck you. Like, I want to be out there helping my team.
I want a World Series. So I don't think there's anything unusual about it except for the fact that you're openly talking about it.
I mean, you know, and this book for me is just, I'm just trying to be as transparent as possible, you know? And for me, it's cathartic to, like, be like, here's all the stuff I didn't say in the standard Nucle-Luce, you know, bull Durham, like, post-game interview, you know? Because the truth is we don't get a lot of facts and realities from these guys post-game. We get kind of the candy-coated deal.
Why is that? Why are guys not more honest in the post-game interviews? Is it just fear of backlash? Or what exactly, what held you back from being more honest at times during your career? I mean, I was terrified know i kind of had i'm kind of a sensitive guy raised in a musician family so by nat you know i'm a naturally vulnerable guy i felt like i had to have this coating of armor of assuredness and confidence and i'm gonna shove this ball up your you know what out there today so i couldn't be vulnerable in the post-game interviews because that was weakness you know but now what i realized after getting my butt torn apart you know in baseball is that humility is actually the power right ever then i never allowed myself to feel huh interesting i'm uh i'm interested to hear about how you picked up the curveball to begin with i'm sure you've told the story a few times when when you realize that hey this might be a talent that you have that you are abnormally good at. Was that something that you started before high school or during high school? No, I actually started throwing it when I was seven.
There was a book called The Art of Pitching by Tom Seaver. And I was seven.
My father was a talent manager, so he didn't know anything about baseball, but he just bought all these books and put them in front of me. And so I looked there was a picture of a curveball grip and you know i think it was a right-handed grip and so i gripped the ball my way left-handed and i think i flipped it upside down accidentally with the ball because i never met a guy in my career that gripped the curveball like i did huh uh most guys grip it with the horseshoe down uh but i grip it the other way but anyways yeah i started throwing when started throwing when I was seven, and, of course, being seven, throwing a curveball.
I was like, these guys can't even hit fastballs. I would be so pissed off at you in Little League if I had to bat against you.
Yeah. You're not here throwing a 12-6 curveball, and I'm trying to swing a 22-ounce bat.
That's right, dude. Can you remember one guy that you made look just the most foolish? Because when your curveball was on, that big loop and just getting guys to freeze up, was there a game or a batter where you're like, I had it, and it looked like that person had never seen a baseball in their life? There was a couple guys.
I mean, I specifically remember the lefties in the league, you know, Tomy, you know, Rafael Palmeiro, Garrett Anderson, Ichiro. But one time I remember facing Tomey.
And, I mean, the guy's just a legend, obviously. But for whatever reason, I don't know if he saw it right, but he kind of, he like ducked forward.
You know, most guys get the jelly leg and they lean back. Yeah.
He ducked like forward and then like ran out of the way the other way, backed up. And, of course, it made me feel so good because I'm like, dude, that's Jim Tomey.
Right, right. That's as close as a baseball player gets to being in an N1 mixtape.
Yeah. It's making somebody jump out of the box.
I need the guy to come out there and be like, my godson, it's over. And just run across the field.
The curveball jelly legs is like an all-time moment when guys can really actually throw it really well. That's right, yeah.
And when you can get the right-hander to get the jelly leg, that's when you know. That's when it's humming.
Yeah, because when the right-hander's buckling and he's not even worried about getting hit with it, you know, it's coming. Yeah, that's a special moment.
Is there such a thing as good curveball weather? Ooh. That's good.
I would say more humid. Yeah.
Yeah, I got to imagine it's gripping that air a little more. I cause look at Colorado the curveballs don't really break there I imagine in the humid places my curveball was always good in Texas so that says something so you would recommend well I don't know if I'd say recommend but it worked for you starting out throwing a curveball at a young age but I always heard like don't start until you're 14 15 years old but you had a pretty good uh track record injury wise at least as your arm went right yeah yeah and i think well they just found out that fastballs are the main reason for all these tommy johns now it's actually not curveballs or sliders like they were talking about the guys down at asmi in alabama glenn fleissig they did this whole study on all these to these Tommy Johns, and they're saying it's fastball torque.

Really?

Of course, I didn't have to worry about that.

Right.

What did you top out at?

Like 87, 88?

I was hitting 93 early in my career.

Okay.

So faster than Dan Heron.

Then Danny Heron?

Yeah.

He's a friend of ours.

Danny's my boy.

Yeah.

He's our buddy.

He's our friend.

Danny throws Chad.

Come on.

No, I mean, he doesn't throw.

He was throwing 88 at the end of his career.

Yeah. We're not going to make fun of him.
It's still pretty good. Yeah.
No, it's okay. I mean, it's okay.
He was throwing 94, 95, I think. Yeah.
It's okay. Great.
He's actually a future Hall of Famer. We've looked through his numbers, and he's got some stats out there that wow you.
He's got legit stats. Yeah.
Best postseason pitcher of all time, according to two metrics that we looked at. Yeah, I think he's never given up a run in the postseason.
Really? He had one outing. But still.

No, World Series. World Series.
Best World Series pitcher of all time, Dan Heron. Amazing.
Yeah, yeah. You wouldn't believe it.
Let's talk about your game against the Barry Zito game against the Cardinals. How good did it feel to have that redemption arc in 2012? Because that to me is what sports are all about, is having the 2010 World Series left off the off the roster 2012 you become the guy and you win big games for the giants to win another world series yeah i mean there was a very you know a huge change in my internal process of what happened in those first five six years of the giants contract which is you know i kind of i didn't i wasn't raised with any kind of foundation spiritually of anything.
Baseball was the most important thing in my life. You know, I think a lot of us can relate.
We make our jobs, our God in a lot of ways, it defines us. So that's what happened to me.
Uh, and then after 2010, getting left off that roster, man, I just, my world was shattered. You know, I had no baseball life.
And, uh, so I was forced to kind of look inward a little bit.

And after all the struggle, I was like, finally admitted, I can't do this by myself.

I need something else.

That's not something I ever admitted, headstrong guy.

So yeah, 2011, I found God, as they say.

And I found this thing I could lean on and go to for strength.

So ironically, in 2012, everyone was like, do you feel redeemed? You've had these great games in the playoffs and beat Verlander in the world series how does it feel and I'm like man I finally gave up the need to be redeemed by all you guys you know I couldn't say that but I was like I stopped caring about what everyone thinks and I just started worrying about do my job and give the rest up to God and and that's it man and I found this peace I mean, it's true, though. So all that stuff happened.
But I was kind of like, I was laughing because it's like I stopped caring about everyone approving of me. Right.
And then all of a sudden, everyone's approving of me. You know, it's just so funny how it happens.
Yes. It was like no moment of relief for you.
It was just like you look around and you feel, you know, you don't have the burden anymore. and you don't realize the second that you lose the burden it's not an instantaneous thing but you know all of a sudden you you win a world series and just you feel good i feel good and i was grateful for what i was able to do and gratitude is not something i ever felt in my career i was like entitled oh man i'm good i throw a curveball i this this is what should happen i deserve this it was a completely different headspace so when all that stuff happened and the you know they have the big parade when you win the world series in 2012 everyone's chanting my name and i'm just looking at my wife on the cable car going this is surreal because two years ago 2010 you know people were giving me fingers and you know give me every vulgar gesture you could imagine get off You'd be yeah oh yeah absolutely yeah so i mean it was it was surreal man and now you have to see the contracts you know as they climb and climb are you laughing about how like hey that my contract 126 million because i remember in my the back of my head barry zito signed a huge contract it was like the biggest contract and then i looked it up before this interview i was like wait it was only 100 that's a fucking bargain like guys are signing 200 million dollar contracts like everyone is it's crazy i know it's yeah it's grown exponentially you know what the crazy part is to me too is i always said because i looked at some other huge contracts that were signed around the time that i signed mine.
And a lot of these guys ended up hurt for half or more of the contract.

And you don't hear about those guys being the bus as much as the guy that's on the mental DL like I was.

Right.

I was out there but not doing well.

And those are the guys that get labeled the bus.

The guys that you just don't hear from anymore because they're hurt.

You don't really hear all the mad fans about that. So the is fake an injury that's the lesson yes exactly if we could take anything away from this if you feel like you're not doing well at your job just say your knee got blown out that's right come up with a hammy and the rest will be great that's perfect uh i always wondered pitching in oakland because we're we're big football fans on the show you see the uh the ra field, how you split it with the athletics.
Could you notice that in September there would be a difference with the field once football got started there? Oh yeah, the grass was totally just, I mean the grass was a joke. You know, we'd come back off a road trip after the first Raiders game and the grass was like yellow and just dying.
That was just Mark Davis pissing on the field. Yeah, afterwards.
He just walks around on all fours. I have one last question.
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So we're here with Barry Zito. Curveball is in stores now.
Today, yeah. Today.
And it's an awesome book. I mean, it talks about all of Barry's career and he's had a fascinating career.

I got to ask you though, funniest teammate you ever had

and also why was it Tim Lincecum?

Was it Tim Lincecum?

I assume it was.

Timmy, funniest?

Big time.

What was it called?

Big time Timmy Jimmy or whatever?

The Freak, yeah.

Yeah, no, Timmy. Timmy was a special guy, man.
I love love timmy he reminded me a lot of myself when i was young sensitive guy um you know thinker um but i would say the funniest guy i ever played with was a guy named frankie menacchino okay and frankie's from staten island out here and we used to call him frankie manacotti and uh he was just the funniest dude you ever met and And Frankie wasn't specifically a tall man, but he had the biggest spirit and the biggest heart in the game. He was our team leader, and a lot of times he wasn't even starting.
He literally led our team in the early 2000s. He was a glue guy.
You need a glue guy. Absolutely.
Locker room guy. That's the only skill I think I'd have in a locker room.
Just be a locker room guy. That's it.
Just hang out. Mad Bum wasn't the funniest guy you ever hung out with? I heard he's just like a barrel of laughs.
He oozes charisma. You ever go hunting with him? He just doesn't show it to you guys.
Yeah, you ever go hunting with him? No. That'd be scary, yeah.
You hear the story about how he used to date a girl named Madison Bumgarner back in the day? Are you serious? That was his high school girlfriend.

She was also named Madison Bumgarner.

I know there's a lot of Bumgarners in his hometown.

I remember him saying that.

And there was also a story about how he cut a snake open and saved a jackrabbit out of it and raised it.

Yeah, Copperhead tried to eat a baby rabbit and he just slid its belly.

He gave birth to a jackrabbit out of a snake's stomach and then raised it and nursed it back to them. So read Curveball before Madison Bumgarner writes his book because I'm sure that will be fascinating as well.
But Barry, thank you so much, man. Appreciate it.
Best of luck with the book. Best of luck with the music career.
And yeah, this was fun. Thanks, Coach.
Real quick, we do a segment on our show called Do Your Pod because Hank is a big Boston sports fan. Would you like to apologize to him for beating Pedro Martinez in the Cy Young Award? He's still pretty broken up about that.
Well, Pedro already had two or three. Yeah, but this would have been a dynasty for him.
So it really hurt, Hank, that you beat him. Pedro's, my favorite pitcher still.
So Pedro was not happy when the Cy Young, when I got it. He was like this new white surfer kid, yoga guy.
Throw a curveball. Yeah, he would throw it fast.
He was definitely disgruntled. Yeah, yeah.
Well, you got the Cy Young. You're Cy Young pitcher forever.
Exactly. All right.
Thanks, Barry. Thanks, guys.
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And now for something completely different. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest.
It is Will Fuller. And now for something completely different.

Okay, we now welcome on very special guest. It is Will Fuller from the Houston Texans, and he has won the Snickers chain for the week.
He's the fifth recipient, NFL's hungriest players each week. Snickers is giving out that big chain.
We actually showed it on our show, but he won it for week five because he had 217 yards and three TDs.

Sheesh.

Were you in the zone on sunday oh yeah of course i mean but it wasn't just me though you know the show was playing great our old line was playing great so it was a total team effort but um yeah we got after him you guys have been on a little bit of a roll here i think the te Texans are going to be one of those teams that will be contending down the stretch. I saw after a game, this was a recent one, I forget who you were playing, but you lost the game and Deshaun goes back on the field and just practices by himself hours after the game is over.
Was there anybody out there with him that he was throwing passes to? Did you see that? I saw a picture of him out there. I think he was out there with his quarterback coach.
But, no, I think he just did that on his own. I think he was just trying to get locked in and get ready for the next week.
So, I mean, that's crazy to see that. Yeah, his post-game press conferences have been awesome as well where he breaks down everything.
Do you think, is there any point where he's uh his his uh post-game press conferences have have been awesome as well where he breaks down everything do you think is there any point where uh he's maybe given away too much have you guys had that conversation in the huddle like hey deshaun maybe maybe don't give away our entire game plan and break down everything so that uh people get smart i mean i know you guys have who do you have next week oh you have the chiefs. Andy Reid's probably listening to that press conference at a steakhouse right now,

and he's got all the information he needs to beat you guys on Sunday.

I mean, Deshaun's a real smart quarterback,

so I'm sure he can adapt to anything anybody throws at him.

But we do a good job changing things up, so we'll have fun.

I mean, it's going to be a fun game against Kansas City.

Who's got better hands, you or Nuke?

Oh, man.

Definitely my boy, Nuke, man. I mean, ain't nobody in the game.

I don't think anybody in history got better hands than Nuke.

I mean, he's the only receiver ever to not have any drops in one season

with 115 catches.

That's pretty crazy.

That is insane.

Do you ever secretly get jealous that you don't have a cool nickname like Nuke? No, no, no, man. I mean, I appreciate my brother, man.
I love Hop. I mean, but no, I don't get jealous of Hop at all.
So we're friends with J.J. Watt.
We've had him on our show a couple times. We have a long history with him.
Has he done anything lame recently? Has J.J. done anything lame? It's all good fun, but he probably has.
Not that I can speak of. Not that I can speak of.
Okay, good. Good.
That's good to know. I'll rephrase the question.
Did you take away oxcord privileges from J.J. in the locker room after he played too much Fort Minor? Oh, no.
oh no jj can play whatever you want in the locker room this is jj locker room yeah well listen we think that jj turned a corner a couple years ago maybe small part because of us but he has seemed um a little more relatable a little more human and we're fans of his and we're we're friends with him now so we're happy he's doing well um i want to personally thank you and this is going to be a little bit of a backhanded compliment, but I want to thank you because last year I said that if the Houston Texans win the Super Bowl, I'm going to cut off the tip of my pinky. So thank you for not winning the Super Bowl.
I don't have the same bet this year, so you're free to go ahead and win the Super Bowl this year. Oh, yeah, I want to cut off my pinky.
But, yeah but yeah we definitely we definitely gonna you know continue to do what we're doing and just try to stay on a on a on a good track and uh just you know see where things take us is there any difference for you this year playing receiver uh now that you have like a fully healthy 100% uh quarterback that's that's able to scramble around the pocket maybe a little bit better than he was last year so you know the plays get extended things like that have you noticed anything that's changed about your game to adapt to a healthier quarterback? The years I've been playing with Deshaun he's been healthy for the most part it's really been me so I mean like you're saying when he's scrambling it opens up a lot of things for us. And, you know, it helps the offensive line, helps the receivers, you know,

gives us more time to get open and things like that.

So it's just fun with him back there and him being able to scramble

and keep the plays alive adds a whole other dimension to our offense, really.

You ran a 4.32 at the combine.

That's really fast.

I just want to say that it was really fast.

And I wanted to get your thoughts on what it feels like to be fast.

To be honest, you know, I didn't get my speed into college.

And, you know, people don't really believe me when I say that.

But if you go back and look at my high school tapes, you know,

I got hawked a bunch of times.

But it feels good.

It makes being a receiver, you know, a lot easier when you have speed.

So I try to use that to my advantage and keep the defense on the heels. All right, so speaking of college, my last question, we're talking to Will Fuller.
He won the Snickers chain this week for being the hungriest players they're giving out every single week. Is Notre Dame back? Oh, man, Notre Dame never went anywhere.
4-8? I started 4-8? We ain't really going nowhere. When did they go 4-8? About two years ago? You weren't on the 4-8 team, were you? No, no.
I wasn't on the 4-8 team. Okay, but yeah, that was...
We looked good. I mean, we went to Georgia, played a real good game in Georgia.
You know, tough loss, no moral victories. But I think that just showed the world that we are real contenders and we can play with anybody.
Do you think you get faster in college because they grow the grass out so much at Notre Dame to slow down the better athletes that go there? I don't even know what you're talking about. It's like resistance training, like running with a parachute down.
We got turf now, too.

I'm going to choose to ignore that.

My point still stands.

It hasn't been turf for a while.

That's okay.

That's okay.

Yeah, yeah.

Do you grow out the turf?

What was that?

Do you grow out the turf?

Have you figured out a way to grow out the turf?

To cheat?

Oh, man.

Notre Dame, we legit, man.

We don't need to cheat. Oh, you actually.

So the 4-8 season was after you left.

So it's actually.

It was because there was such a hole with Will Fuller leaving for the

Thank you. Notre Dame, we legit, man.
We don't need to cheat. Oh, you actually, so the 4-8 season was after you left,

so it's actually, it was because there was such a hole with Will Fuller leaving for the pros.

I want to say just me.

We had a real good team my last year.

We lost a lot of guys, so it was a lot of things

that they went into that, but like you said,

we back now and we playing good now.

Okay, all right.

Well, thank you so much, Will.

We appreciate you stopping by.

Did you have another question?

I was just going to say, I hope you score a lot of points

this weekend because this is, America is going to be hoping

for you. playing good now.
Okay. All right.
Well, thank you so much, Will. We appreciate you stopping by.
Did you have another question? I was just going to say, I hope you score a lot of points this weekend because America is going to be hoping for tons of points out of that game. Oh, yeah.
With our pocketbooks. And also, how many people came up to you after the game and they're like, hey, Will, thanks for winning my fantasy week.
A lot of people would have said that. A lot of people said they had me benched.
Oh. Don bench will that's that's fucked up you can't bench will god all right well will thank you so much say hello to jj watt for us will you i got you got you all right appreciate it thanks man all protein bars generally taste the same but not one bars one made protein bars are actually delicious with Reese's and Hershey's.
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Okay, let's get some segments. First up, we have a firefest.
Last pick will be on Sunday. Sunday, Barstool Sports Advocates.
Probably the most cinematic piece me and PFT have ever worked on. Joker.
It was an honor. Well, you just gave it away, but yeah.
Well, I mean, it was an honor to work on it. You want to get people excited.
I didn't give it away. Yeah, Hank.
Joker dies. Goker.
Goker, that's right. Hank spoiled Joker for me earlier this week.
Whoa. Is that your Firefest? When he was telling me the concept.
It could be. I might have two fire fests.
All right. Go ahead.
You go first. All right.
My first fire fest is Hank spoiled Joker for me. You jerk.
Because we sat down to talk about the concept for this week's Larry the Goldfish. And Hank is like, is it okay if I tell you what my concept is? I said, yeah.
And then boom, spoiler. Boom, spoiler.
I just stared at him. I was like, what the hell, man? We're even.
We're even. We're even.
After the decades of Sopranos that we've given you. Yeah.
Actually, the pain in your face when I told you was similar to how I felt that for Sopranos. Fullback assist.
So that's fair. That's a fullback assist in the Patriots game.
Okay. But I also was like, can I tell you what happened so I can tell you the plan? You're like, yeah, that's fine.
And I said what happens. And you're like, dude, what the fuck? But that's my bad.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry, PFT.
That was a good impression of me. I like that.
All right. What's your other Fire Fest? My other Fire Fest of the week is for any parents out there that bought tickets for their kids to go see Blippi.
Fuck. Was that yours? We talked about Blippi before.
Yeah, but this is new. So Blippi was putting on a live tour throughout the U.S., but the guy, Stephen John, the guy who created Blippi and also took that poop on the other guy.
Yeah, he did the funniest, what was it, Harlem Shake ever. Yeah.
He pooped into his friend's asshole. He shat into his friend's circle of life.
Hilarious. Instead of- Literally one of the funniest things I've ever watched.
Instead of showing up to these events that he sold tickets for and marketed as Blippi live for kids- He pooped in someone's butt? He has an actor that's showing up playing the character of blippy an adult man in tight jeans and an orange bow tie but he delights and wait he delights in learning about fire trucks and tractors wait that sounds pretty cool actually but hold on throwing trains and i'm there spin zone this actor will not feel the sudden urge to poop in his friend's butt maybe this is the guy whose butt got now playing Blippi. He's just trying to pay him back.
That's how they pass the torch to a new Blippi. It's like the new Pope when the smoke comes out, once the sewage goes into another man's angels, a new Blippi has been crowned.
Hilarious video. All right, Hank, what's your fire fest? My fire fest is that I have to go to Atlantic City tonight.
And somehow my girlfriend's going there. I'm going with her.
Oh, nice. You have a girlfriend? No, not a big deal.
You guys staying overnight down there? Yeah, we got a coffee. Not a big deal.
That's so sick. It's like she's going earlier.
So I'm meeting her and people there. So I have to get down there, and it's basically impossible to get down there without taking four hours.
Yeah, it's like two and a half hours. You would think with all the New York City, Atlantic City, at some point, I know it's not as big anymore, but you would have thought back in the day, they'd be like, all right, let's just put a train that goes from New York City to Atlantic City.
So your fire fest is that you have a girlfriend, and you get to go party with her at a casino. But I have to take a bus to get there by myself.
Got it. And I'm coming back Saturday.
Could you imagine being Hank and having a girlfriend and getting to party with her at a casino? So wait, Hank, you're going down to Atlantic City to spend the night with your girlfriend. Fyre Fest is a hard thing to come up with because I'm...
Wait, wait. My Fyre Fest is I've lost so much weight, I need new jeans.
I would never have said this otherwise, but I always have to think of what's the most... My dick looks too good in my tight baseball pants on the live stream last night, and everybody was like, wow, is that Teddy Bridgewater? How about your knees, PFT? No, it's no one said that.
PFT, yeah. There were some optical illusions wrong there.
You need bigger pants. You make everyone uncomfortable with your really tight pants.
I didn't buy them. Spider bought them for me.
Okay, my Fyre Fest is... This is going to make me a huge hypocrite, but I have to say...
This Fyre Fest is my Fyre Fest. Okay, that's fair.
This is going to make me a hypocrite for something I said a month ago, but I have to say it because I realized it and it may bum me out so bad. We're at week seven of college football season.
Okay, you don't have to say that. Why are you saying this to me? We're halfway through.
Why am I entertaining this conversation? It's not bad for double digits. I know.
Shut up. That's fucking crazy.
How were we in week seven? It was just week one. We're halfway through? A second ago.
You're not including the playoffs. And the bowl games.
You're not including the bowls. That's the wonder of it all.
You're not. You're forgetting the Cheez-It Bowl.
The most fabulous. Oh, I'm so excited for the Cheez-It Bowl.
You know what? I might do a live stream for the Cheez-It Bowl. It's going to disappoint you because there's no way it's as good as it was last year.
Well, it could be better. It would be awesome if it was just like a shootout and the Cheez-It Bowl was a schizophrenic bowl.
Or they just bring Frank Beamer in to coach both teams and it ends up 0-0 tie. Great.
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We won't tell you, but we just did something really funny. Barstoolgold.com slash BMT.
Okay, next up we have Talking Soccer. And boy, do we have some Talking Soccer.
Maybe the greatest story that has come out in the last week about soccer. Maybe.
When did the Maradona documentary? That was over a week ago. Two weeks ago.
Sorry, so I have my statement stance. Colleen Rooney.
Colleen Rooney. So is Maradona.
Wayne Rooney's wife. Released.
She has become a cyber security detective. And released a statement that is so awesome.
I will read it right now. So she starts with.
I'm going to power through it because it's thrilling. For a few years now.
Someone who I trusted to follow me on my personal Instagram account. Has been consistently informing the Sun newspaper of my private posts and stories.
There's been so much information given to them about me, my friends, and my family, all without my permission or knowledge. After a long time of trying to figure out who it could be, for various reasons I had a suspicion.
To try and prove this, I come up with an idea. I blocked everyone from viewing my Instagram stories except one account account those are my private account must have been wondering why i haven't had stories on there for a while over the past five months i've posted a series of false stories to see if they made their way into the sun newspaper and you know what they did this story yeah this is where I started to like here we go the story about gender selection in mexico the story about returning to tv and then the latest story about the basement flooding in my new house it's been tough keeping it to myself and not making any comment at all especially when the stories have been leaked.
However, I had to. Now I know for certain which account slash individual it's come from.
I have saved and screenshotted all the original stories, which clearly show just one person has viewed them. It's Rebecca Vardy's account.
Now, you probably don't know who that is, so I realize that this is probably not that thrilling. Honestly, that didn't even matter.
It didn't. It's the wife of another English star, a new money English star, James Vardy, who's been only on the scene for a few years now.
The Roonies have been on the scene for decades. This is insane.
This is like Savannah James revealing that Ayesha Curry has been putting out all of her posts and everything and leaking things to the press. It's like if Jimmy G's porn star girlfriend was leaking that Ciara was hanging out in Future's man cave.
Yes. That's exactly what this would be like.
It is nuts, and seeing people react to it online, I didn't really understand it when I first read it because I didn't know who the two parties were necessarily. But then I saw all the reaction to it, and I was like, I need to figure out who this was.
So I did some sleuthing, and I Googled the names, and now I'm like, holy like a really this is really interesting it's a huge story so she was so uh Mrs. Rooney was pissed off because all these stories are popping up in the sun they sound like relatively harmless stories though right uh no I think not because flooded well no no no those are the fake stories those are the fake stories oh okay she's been revealing never actually flooded right she's been revealing real stories of like the roonies for years and now she's finally got her red-handed and it's awesome i want to know what the what the selection process was like for figuring out what fake stories to try to plant and also my basement flooding is such a non-story but the fact that it made it to the sun is kind of awesome yeah and she probably but that's how big the roonies she didn't start with rebecca vardy either there's probably a few people she had to correct first correct gotta find the leak it's thrilling and then she went and retweeted a couple of her old tweets from uh like you know six months ago where she basically said like in january she said it's happened several times now over the past couple years it's sad to think someone who i've accepted to follow me is betraying me for either money or to keep a relationship with the press and she kept going oh and so this you know what they're calling her now what they're calling rebecca vardy wagga rebecca farty wagga christie Oh, that's good.
No, I guess they'd be calling Wagatha Christie. Because the mystery novelist.
It's Rebecca Fardy. And now Rebecca Vardy has hired IT experts to go through her phone to prove that somebody else hacked her account.
And it goes deeper than that because I was doing a lot of reading about it. What does that mean? So she's trying to prove her innocence.
She's grasping at straws here and saying that somebody had her login and used it to watch the Rooney's stories and then leak those. It's a tangled web.
It's also very interesting because I guess the Rooney's, like Wayne Rooney has had a bunch of tabloid expososes. A lot of things that have gone on and Colleen Rooney has stood by him.
They're like their high school sweethearts. So they're like the first family of soccer in England.
The Vardy's are like James Vardy is only like been big time for a few years now. So they're the newcomers.
They're brash. They always like to say what what they want they're kind of the trashy new money it's like jay-z and beyonce and kim and kanye yeah it's yeah for real that's what i was gonna say really we need to get roger bennett back on to tell us how awesome this is we do that's chaka that's that this is something i could see cardi b doing right cardi b could pull something like this on nikki minaj yes that's so um then the vardy's in the parties the parties in addition to like hiring it consultants her response was almost better than the initial accusation because she denied it she denied denied denied and like a selfie like a hot selfie no but then she goes it was the notes app obviously and then she says yeah they're having a notes app off yeah she says uh i don't know why you would do this to me right now at a time when i'm heavily pregnant smart move she invoked pregnancy she pulled the fetus card on her it's actually a genius move it is heavily pregnant excuses for life yep heavily pregnant is a great fantasy soccer team name yeah now on what is it what is ken bones Reddit account.
What happens, like, you know, obviously, if you smoke during pregnancy, if you do drugs during pregnancy, what if you're addicted to exposing your friend on Instagram to the press during pregnancy? To the son? Yes. To the fucking son? To the fucking son, dude.
Yeah, that's not good to have your child be around journalists like that. I agree so this was an awesome story and that's talking soccer that was talking soccer let's finish up we have uh our long national nightmares over pft what was this uh this is a big deal going on right now in division three football so uh the university of mary harden baylor is vacating their 2016 national championship because their head coach let a player use his car for a year.
So his player. Just three people start the school and they just decided to just.
Mary Harden Baylor. Mary Harden Baylor.
No, I think it was like Mary Harden went to Baylor. Mary.
And she's like, I want my own Baylor. So she started Mary Harden Baylor.
This is the better version of Baylor. It's her personal version of Baylor.
Mary Harden dash Baylor. So she married Baylor University, and then she started her own college.
Got it. But, yeah, so they're having to vacate their 2016 title because their coach committed the crime of loaning a car to a player, which has been happening at no other college.
Usually they just bypass the head coach and go straight to the dealership. Yeah, Nick Saban just gets you hooked up with, what's the car that he sells everyone? Mercedes-Benz? No, it's like a Ford.
Oh, Jesus Christ. Now this game got interesting.
So Tom Brady just fumbled. It's time to ask.
The Giants are going to tie the game. It's time to ask about Tom Brady.
Holy shit. Is it time to move on? Hank, thoughts? Jared Stidham? I did say.
It's now 14-14. If there's ever a game they're going to lose.
Jared Stardom. They're not going to lose, but.
If there was ever a game. Honestly, those jerseys give me, like, they're just bad.
Yeah, the Giants jerseys give you just the gray pants. Tom Brady has not looked great.
Okay, let's do our FAQs. Although it's windy.
Wait, do we want to talk at all about China? No, we've done it every show. Because there's a bad visual I'd like to bring up about China.
What? So ESPN going into one of their China segments today, they showed a map of China at the start, right? Which is pretty normal because they're in China. It would stand to reason they would show a map of China.
But the map that ESPN showed had the nine dash line at the bottom right corner of China, which circles like this big area of nothing but sea and Taiwan, which isn't on a map. And it's not even a real thing.
But the fact that they were fed this map means that ESPN is now giving territorial rights to the South China Sea to China, which they don't own. So ESPN just basically gifted China an island on national television today.
And I was talking China. Isn't that weird? Is that not weird to anybody else? It's weird.
I just think that the like I always assume the people who do the maps and whatever graphics will always fuck up. No, because they were sent over specifically.
Oh, this is not goes deeper. This is not a map that you would just hurt.
It's not a map that you would just pull up. OK, yes.
Then I agree with you. It's a map that was given.
Someone gave it to him. I'll put it in terms that you can understand.
I understand. The nine-dash line is like the restricted area underneath the hoop in basketball.
It's crazy. They're just totally cucking ESPN and the NBA.
The logo is going to change. Shout out the guy from Slate who did a review of our very serious China take from Monday's show.
That was really nice of him. For real? Yeah.
Yeah. He put us in like, he did like a review of Beaumont, Bill Simmons, Stephen A.
Smith, all these people. And he called us, I want to pull it up.
Pardon my take, the lowest ladder of cogent informed response. Well, listen to buddy i responded i said hey can we use this in promotional material because you just implied we're informed listen to me buddy what you just said actually is not a cogent response because you meant to say the lowest rung on the ladder of informed response so we're on the ladder checkmateslate.com we're on the ladder we are on the ladder we're the the ladder of informed we're the most important rung we're on the ladder.
Checkmateslate.com. We're on the ladder.
We are on the ladder. We're the, the ladder of informed.
We're the most important rung. We're on the ladder of informed.
So you're an idiot. You played yourself.
Sorry, slate. Yeah.
Idiot. Uh, all right, let's finish some FAQs.
All right, Jake just sent me these. Have not went through them.
What happens when you guys make friends with all the players? Would it really be a good coach there a good coach there, manager, and just throw your guy under the bus before you even start. We only have so many more times I can do that.
What happens when you guys make friends with all the players and all the leagues? Who will you be able to talk shit about if they're all friends of the pod? I think we've got to go with Aaron Rodgers. What if we're friends with him? No.
I think we've got to turn our sights to non-athletes that point yeah and just become a music podcast yes or we can do with the lazy way i would be and just cover exclusively sports journalism yes that's that yeah and critique everyone's critique we'll just listen to every podcast and tell you what was wrong with all of them to give you the ladders of informed responses can you guys roughly break down how you build the fastest two minutes segment maybe some pictures of your notes thanks babes i don't know about that yeah you want to see some pictures of my notes i have one i have a video idea that we might i might do this weekend really it says we're not going to be together oh yeah next sunday we're going to do it this weekend but yeah we basically just sit uh watch games and for about three hours just make mostly terrible jokes and then every few minutes we'll find a good one and write it down. Here's what I've got right now.
I do have a document. So far the only thing in it.
Don't you have one document for life, though? I try to clean it up, yeah. I clean it up every now and again.
But, yeah, I do have my life document. I've got Fiscal Cliff Kingsbury is a note that I'm going to eventually get around to.
Nice. Nice.
Be on the lookout for that. Question for Bubba.
How can I become a flow god like you? Ooh. Just got to say fuck it and be lodged.
There we go. Good job, Bubba.
Hey, Slimcat, the master of flow and Hank. Why is that when I work out to the podcast, I grow in height and add five pounds of muscle each time, not complaining, just want another science? What? So we make you bigger.
We're steroids. Hey, Natitude PFT, how does it feel knowing you killed Tommy Lasorda? Yeah.
How does it feel? I think it was Tommy's time. No.
How dare you? I think it's Tommy's time. Actually, Clayton Kershaw killed Tommy Lasorda.
Yeah. Probably.
Not me. Probably.
We're going to have to go back to death. Question for Bubba.
When you got hit by that car, why didn't you hit back? Fact. Should have saw the car.
Was it a punch buggy? Yeah. What were you wearing? Probably like shorts and a t-shirt.
Okay, so you weren't wearing high visibility orange then i was not okay elements of provocation how did the car know it wasn't supposed to hit you hey pmt boys especially big cat because this question is for you what's the history of the mustache and what advice do you have for a 21 year old trying to figure out a hairstyle oh okay good question so i actually had a mustache off and on uh post-college i always just thought it was funny and then i grew one out for the blackhawks 2013 championship run and then i just it just kind of i didn't really know what to do with it it's kind of stuck i like wearing a mustache my advice on growing facial hair and take this with the world's largest grain of salt possible is don't force anything that isn't coming to you yes and i'm a living testament so i went there was years there was probably years from like when i was 20 to 25 where i was like off and on giving it a shot taking it away maybe doing it i did it for like a month and i'd be like nah don't do it so i also thought when I first got a job out of college that it made me look a little older. No joke.
I was like, the people will respect me a little more, but you don't want to look older when you're 23. Well, yeah.
When you want to be respected by like older people in a business setting, it was really stupid logic. No, it works.
Trust me. I do look older.
You look really old. Look at me.
I look 34. You look old as shit.
Or older. Hey, PMT boys.
PFT, if Natitude winning the World Series meant Dan Snyder would continue to be the owner of the R-Words for the next 15 years, would you take that deal? Yes, because he's going to... He is.
Because Dan Snyder's got... He's either made a deal with the devil, or he's got a blood-sucking operation where he gets rejuvenated with the blood of 13 year olds every two weeks.

So he's going to live.

Dan Snyder, I've accepted it, is going to outlive me.

So my only real mental recourse that I have that makes me feel okay sometimes is maybe somebody will blackmail him.

Yes.

To sell the team.

That's what I'm really hoping for.

Hey, PMT boys, especially car accident survivor Bubba.

Death is a real thing that affects

all families and your tight-knit pmt family are you guys included in each other's wills i don't what's i don't have a will yeah where do you where do you cop a will verbal will i actually need to get a will yeah you don't you don't have a will i feel like i need to get one i always thought you just like wrote it down and then just like they find it all right bubba you get my Xbox. Hank, you get my son.

PFT, you get Stella.

That's fair.

Big Cat, you get Leroy.

Okay.

Hank, you get one of my guitars.

Bubba, you get my hair products.

Hank?

PFT, you can have my TVs.

What?

Yes.

You already have PFT.

You need to set up.

I want six.

Yes.

Jackpot.

I'm going to kill Hank. What else do I have? Yeah, what the fuck? You have...
Yeah, no. I get Rhea.
You can have Rhea. Take care of Rhea.
But then you got to... I gave you my son.
Then you got to go down to Atlantic City every couple of weeks. Yeah, that's true.
Fuck that. That's my fire fest.
And only for two nights. You can have my...
Hank slipped that in at the end. He's like, and I have to come back on Saturday.
Yeah, only one night. He's only spending two nights down there.
One night.

One night.

You said you're coming back Saturday.

Right.

Tomorrow's Friday.

Oh, he's speaking in the future.

You were speaking in the future.

Okay.

Well, so what does Bubba get?

You can have my gear.

You can have my good clothes, my non-barstool clothes.

Damn.

Which consists of a couple pairs of underwear?

Yeah.

Okay. Pretty much.
Liam, you have couple pairs of underwear? Yeah. Okay.

Pretty much.

Liam,

you have anything to give us?

I'll take your bad attitude.

Yeah,

I don't really have a lot.

Can I get...

It's just like clothes and shoes.

Yeah,

can I get your clothes?

Yeah,

Hank can have the shoes

and then...

I have a signed Migos poster.

You can have...

Fuck yes,

I love the Migos.

I like how...

Bubba had to...

No cap.

Bubba had to think about

giving me his clothes

because he was like,

I've got really cool clothes and if you wore them you would really decrease the value they would not be cool anymore PFT can you do it's more just like uh it's kind of actually like a good metric system like by the time things get around to you it's's like, all right, no cap is over.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

No, I know that.

I know that.

What about dry snitching? I was saying dry snitching a lot on the live stream last night, but I don't fully understand. No, I've reached the point now where I fully understand how it works.
When you're like 15 to 22, you have the lingo. When you're early to.
Yeah, when you're 22 to 30, you have it ironically 32 on everyone just cringes when i say that shit oh i know i cringe myself when i said no cap right there my i did the sour beer face bitter beer face but yeah hey hank what is dry snitching it slaps i assume i don't know a dry snitch is different so i might be ahead of the old guy no you just make up things and just dry snitching is a million percent't know. A dry snitch is different.
So I might be ahead of the old guy. No, you just make up things and just say.
Dry snitching is a million percent of things. What is dry snitching? That's why I'm asking them.
Oh, you don't know? No, I assume it has something to do with snitching. Put it in a dry way.
With an unlubricated partner. Alright, last one.
PFT, can you do abuseism for natitude? Take us out. Do it.
Never asking to include throwing unusually dumb errors.

ERA having pitchers like Clayton Kershaw.

Love you guys. Thank you.
To say I'd say it anyway Today is my day To find you Shining away I'll be coming for your love Great, great Come on me Bye. Thank you.