Lorenzo Neal + Mike Alstott, NFL Weekend Preview And Fyre Fests Of The Week

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Speaker 1 On today's part in my take,

Speaker 1 Fullback Friday. Lorenzo Neal, Mike Allstott in studio.
Let's go. Awesome interview.
I've never seen PFT happier. It was essentially like

Speaker 1 he was on drugs, but he's not a drug guy. No, it was natural.
But it would have been.

Speaker 1 If I have ever seen you on drugs, that's what you would have looked like. I was wearing a tux.
I was waiting for him. They were like 10 minutes late, getting in the studio.
I was pacing around. I was.

Speaker 1 I'll say it on the other side, but I had a thought that I was like,

Speaker 1 I would never have been more heartbroken for you, but I'll say it on the other side.

Speaker 1 We have

Speaker 1 NFL weekly. I thought you were being punked? I thought you were being punked for a second.
I was like, dude, if this happens, I don't know how we're ever going to be. No, no, I knew I wasn't.

Speaker 1 I really did. I was like,

Speaker 1 this is going to be the worst feeling of all time for people. It would have been the

Speaker 1 worth elaborate punking of all time. Like, we would have had to carry you around.

Speaker 1 I think I just would have died. My body would have

Speaker 1 just would have known it at the time. Yeah, I had the thought for a second.
All right. We have NFL weekend preview.
We have some pics for you. I have a no-lose parlay for you.

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Today is Friday,

Speaker 1 September 27th, and the Green Bay Packers are dead. That's okay, good intro.
That's fine.

Speaker 1 I feel good about it. The Packers are okay.
As Skip Bayless said, Aaron Rodgers gets too cool in the red zone. PFTA, I got some stats for you.

Speaker 1 My first stat is Aaron Rodgers gets too cool in the red zone. Okay, here's a stat for you: the Packers in 2019.

Speaker 1 First quarter points, 28. Second quarter points, 33.
Third quarter points, 14. Fourth quarter points,

Speaker 1 6. I saw that.
Listen.

Speaker 1 Seems like people can make some adjustments on Matt LaFleur and Aaron Rodgers. Whiz kid offense.
Listen,

Speaker 1 if you've got a heater of a passing attack

Speaker 1 inside the five-yard line, you have to go back to that well at the end of the game.

Speaker 1 Four fucking passmas. Well, no, no, no, no, no.
Six passes under the five. I'm talking about the goal-line stand where it was four in a row.
But they went over two.

Speaker 1 They went out there with 11 personnel. Yep.
And, well, no, no, it was 22 personnel, I think, at first. They tried to get the ball to Danny Vitaly, who had a great game.

Speaker 1 By the way, we have a fullback in there that's aging. He looked like a bull that was ready to charge, scraping his foot, his little cleats against the ground.
On Fullback Friday, no less.

Speaker 1 On Fullback Friday, no less. It was disrespectful to the position.
John Kuhn is rolling over in his grave. Six plays inside the five, six passes, zero points, one interception.

Speaker 1 And a terrible helmet for Aaron Rodgers. He needs to do something about that helmet because he looks like a combination of Michael Dukakis in the tank and John Olarud out there.

Speaker 1 His helmet gets bigger every single game. Like they add an extra layer of paint to it.
It just grows and grows.

Speaker 1 He looks like a Martian.

Speaker 1 That play.

Speaker 1 We're watching a replay right now. Now, I won't be mean to Packers fans for the entire show.
I'll say this: Devontae Adams, obviously, going out hurt. Yes.
It's week four.

Speaker 1 This is a classic case, though, and be wary when you make your picks this week.

Speaker 1 The team that desperately needs a win, the team that's looking like they're going to go one and three, and they were a playoff, hopeful hopeful team. That desperation, the Eagles go into Lambeau.

Speaker 1 Doug Peterson, I love Doug Peterson. I think he's one of the best coaches in the NFL.
He's so aggressive.

Speaker 1 Even going for two when they were up seven, and he's like, our defense can't really stop him right now, so let's try to get it to nine

Speaker 1 instead of eight with an extra point. It was early, and people, I saw some people complaining about it, but that's Doug Peterson.
You live by it, you die by it.

Speaker 1 I'd rather live with a coach who's aggressive and tries to steal the moment than a guy who goes wishy-washy, Freddie Kitchens.

Speaker 1 Do we call it the Freddie Kitchens or the Matt LaFleur when you just pass from inside the five-yard line? I think you call it the Pete Carroll. Okay, it's the Freddie LaFleur.

Speaker 1 It's the Freddie LaFleur.

Speaker 1 Really overthought it.

Speaker 1 Really overthought it. So

Speaker 1 what happens to coaches who are going up against Doug Peterson is they know that Doug's got balls and that he does these. Dougie.

Speaker 1 He does these type of, you know, he goes for two a lot, goes for it on a fourth down, and the opposing coaches don't want to look dumb in front of Doug.

Speaker 1 And so they try to like, they punch out of their weight class sometimes and they get themselves into a zone where they're overthinking, where they're passing the ball too much.

Speaker 1 They're doing stuff that they wouldn't normally do because the guy across the field from you has his nuts in a wheelbarrow and you are trying to get a bigger wheelbarrow and you've just got a little tea bag hanging down between your legs.

Speaker 1 We should also

Speaker 1 work that way. And so, yeah, good job, Doug Peterson.
Matt LaFleur is still fine. His defense looked bad against the run.
I'm thinking we're going to get a real snarky Aaron Rodgers press conference.

Speaker 1 I will admit that. No, they're fine.

Speaker 1 So I can watch them all. No, they're doing just fine.
Don't worry about that. I will say, though, that you're right.

Speaker 1 The NFC North looks really good. Yes.
It's the best. It's the group of death.

Speaker 1 The Detroit Lions have seen first place right now. The undefeated Detroit Lions.
And also

Speaker 1 the Bears actually kind of won that game for the Eagles because they had Jordan Howard and Alshawn Jeffrey. Probably the best the Bears have played at Lambeau in a while.
Yeah, nice.

Speaker 1 I'm going to enjoy it. I'm going to enjoy it.
They came in there. They played well.
The Eagles are back. They have life back to them.

Speaker 1 It wouldn't have been done, but one and three and two and two feel,

Speaker 1 it feels so different. Yeah.
It really does. Even though it's only one game, it feels so different if you're like, we're one and three versus two and two.

Speaker 1 This is the exact time of the year where we start really getting those takes cooking.

Speaker 1 It's like week two, week three, week four is when you break out all the stats of teams that start one and three make the playoffs 12% of the time.

Speaker 1 Teams that start the season three and one make it 70% of the time. And teams that start at 2-0-1, I guarantee you will not make the playoffs this year.
Yes. We can probably take that to the bank.

Speaker 1 Poor Detroit. Well, you know, they have a big game against the Chiefs.
I famously said, if you sleep on the Lions, you'll never wake up. Yeah, there you go.
You just famously say that.

Speaker 1 Also, how about the refs? The refs sending a little message, I think.

Speaker 1 The refs are sending the message of don't challenge our authority ever on anything because we're not going to overturn the calls because we got it right the first time. Right.

Speaker 1 And the Thursday night football haters,

Speaker 1 go suck on an egg because. I never really understood that.
No, I don't either, but I like it. Just go suck on an egg because that was a great game.
Go jump in a lake. Two bad injuries.

Speaker 1 We got to maybe put the injury music under this. Two bad injuries, so that sucks when the stretchers out there twice.
It did suck, yeah. And

Speaker 1 the second one looked pretty bad.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it's an abundance of caution or whatever it was, but it took like 10, 12 minutes to get him stabilized. That's not a good sign.
Okay, so and then the Packers lost. That's true.

Speaker 1 End it right there. So, you know what I'm saying? That did.
You see me? That did happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got it. All right.
Okay, so what else we got?

Speaker 1 We have, oh, parcelgold.com slash PMT to see Mike Allstott and Lorenzo Neal in the studio. And also, we bench pressed with them after.
We did a little competition. And Lorenzo Neal benched.

Speaker 1 You'll have to watch. You have to watch.
I won't say it. Yeah, yeah.
You'll have to watch. Yeah, nice.
Seven times. You benched seven times.
We benched more than Lorenzo Neil and so proven otherwise.

Speaker 1 I did think you were going to to get catfished for a minute, and I was so, so nervous because you PFT dressed up in his tux. Yep.
He was like

Speaker 1 floating

Speaker 1 around the office. He was legitimately, you weren't in here for this, big cat.
Like, the room was set up a little differently. If you see him, Barcelona Gold, you'll see that.

Speaker 1 He walked in and was like, is this right? Is this right?

Speaker 1 Are you sure we should be doing this? And they have everything right there. Do they have all the names? Sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 I'm just stressed. Where's he sitting?

Speaker 1 Where's the flower arrangements? I was like, wait, it looks like we're competing against each other. It was Bridezilla.
I was, yeah, oh, totally, totally.

Speaker 1 And like, Hank was my wedding planner, just calling me, just pumping me full of Xanax. But I was, uh, they were following me around with a video camera because I was so excited.

Speaker 1 And I was just pacing back and forth. I was like, they're late.
They're late. Something's happening.
Because I knew I was.

Speaker 1 That thought never crossed my mind because I'd been in touch with so many people around them that I knew that they were coming.

Speaker 1 But yes, if I was getting catfish, that would have been pretty fucking funny. I also want to get ahead of something.
I've realized I have a problem.

Speaker 1 I have an issue. It's a physical thing.
I need to train better. I need to get better at it.
I don't know how. I suck at clapping.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. You look like

Speaker 1 a

Speaker 1 fast mode whenever you're speeding it up. I got floppy hands.

Speaker 1 I don't know what it is, but I saw it last week when we were gambling on something. It was on Sunday in the gambling cage.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then I saw it when I was spotting Mike Allstott, and then I brought the bar back, and then I clapped for Mike Allstott.
You look like a little kid.

Speaker 1 But it was like the worst way that you could possibly clap for Mike Allstott doing a pinch press. You look like a little kid who just learned how to clap.
Yes, I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 And you're showing everyone, like, I learned this. I need to.
Admitting it's the first step, though. Yeah, I recognize that.
I think I'm going to do the less miles. Just

Speaker 1 I think it's cute. I think you should be yourself when it comes to clapping.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You just get very excited. I do.
It's like a dog wagging its tail and knocking everything off the table. It's pure joy.
That's all it was. It was a very fun time for me when they came into the office.

Speaker 1 So that interview is coming up.

Speaker 1 Let's do the weekend slate. This is a great weekend slate.
There is no bad weekend slate for the NFL. It's like 17 children.
You love them all. You're basically Phillip Rivers.

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Speaker 1 We have a lose-release time game. Yes, we do.
We got a big time lose. Loser-lease time game.
It's also the first chapter of the pinky game.

Speaker 1 The Falcons and the Titans is an ultimate loser-leaves town game. The loser of this game is done.
Yes. The Falcons are already done, but it's truly over.

Speaker 1 And the winner of this team is going to be an Are We Sure They're Good Team? Yeah, going to be possibly a playoff team.

Speaker 1 Talk about that. Yes, the winner of this game will be the most boring team that makes the playoffs.
Here's something. Here's a little tip.
I had this rule. I wrote this rule down week one.

Speaker 1 If a Mike Frabel Vrabel coach team is an underdog and people are counting them out, that's when you bet on them.

Speaker 1 So just take them because this is a game that the Titans will win and win convincingly, and everyone will be like, whoa, are the Titans back?

Speaker 1 And then when they're favored next week, they will drop an egg and score like three points.

Speaker 1 I feel like these two coaches going against each other, Vrabel and Quinn, it's like two guys in a Frank Thomas Nugenics commercial.

Speaker 1 It's like Dan Quinn is the guy with low T, and then he pops a couple of those pills that have like fish oil and jeweled liquidity. Not a mustache.
And then he just transforms.

Speaker 1 I feel so much better. Yes.
And the wife doesn't mind it either. Yes.

Speaker 1 It's going to be a fun game to watch. Well, no, actually, it will not be a fun game to watch.
It's funny if there's a loser leaves tap. It will be interesting to see who won.

Speaker 1 Who wins?

Speaker 1 We also have a very rare.

Speaker 1 Hank's going to yell at me for this, but...

Speaker 1 I would call it an are we sure we're good, but it's also like, so it's Bills, are we sure they're good? And Patriots,

Speaker 1 how good are they? I actually had this game listed as New England Buffalo. Are we sure they're great?

Speaker 1 Yeah, because this is the Patriots obviously have played not great opponents. You play your schedule, who cares? But this is the best defense they're going to face.

Speaker 1 And on the other side, it's the best defense that the Bills are going to face. The Bills, it feels like every year, right around this time, the Patriots go into Buffalo.
Buffalo has all the hope.

Speaker 1 And it doesn't go well. So

Speaker 1 now, if the Patriots lose, it doesn't matter because they'll still be there. But if the Bills win,

Speaker 1 that kind of changes the whole course of their season. I need to see something out of the city of Buffalo this weekend.
I don't know how you step up from throwing a dildo onto the field.

Speaker 1 Maybe just throw a full sex doll, I was thinking, just like inflatable sex dolls everywhere. Someone cut off their cock and throw it on the field.
Yeah, an actual punch Dave in the face. Oh, damn.

Speaker 1 An actual penis on the field would really step things up. I don't know if they're committed enough to do that in Buffalo just yet.
Maybe just throw some tables onto the field, just full tables. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm not not saying do that. I'm just saying that would be a sign that they're taking it seriously.
The tables or the punch Dave in the face.

Speaker 1 If someone punched Dave in the face, it would be like when Big Poppy got shot. Like, the person who punched Dave in the face would just get ragdolled, and it would not be a good scene.

Speaker 1 Don't you think?

Speaker 1 It will be interesting to see what happens.

Speaker 1 Because, I mean, Barstill's a Buffalo town. Like, Buffalo loves us.
We love them. Now, Dave's going to go in there and be a jerk to them, but I think at the end of the day, there's still a love.

Speaker 1 I think there is. Yeah, I just.
I fucking love Bills fans. Yeah.
they are the best. The Zubaz is going to be out in full force.
Zubaz tuxedos, the whole nine yards.

Speaker 1 This is your weekend to shine, Buffalo. It is.
I wish they could flex it, but of course, as Hank explained on Monday, they can't because they hate the Patriots.

Speaker 1 The league doesn't want this game to be in prime time. Yeah, actually, I don't think the city of Buffalo wants this game to be in prime time.

Speaker 1 You want, yeah, the city of Buffalo, for legal and safety reasons, wants to limit tail getting time to under 35 minutes. Right, right.
So that one's going to be a very interesting one.

Speaker 1 And I, you know, the night game, obviously, the Cowboys and the Saints, I think that's a true, are we sure they're good yet? Because the Cowboys, similar to the Patriots, have played no one.

Speaker 1 And now you have to go into the dome. I don't care who's quarterbacking in the dome.
You got to go into the dome and try to prove your worth. Jerry Jones is going to be sitting there.

Speaker 1 He's going to have his binoculars set on Sean Payton the entire time. Well, he's going to be

Speaker 1 back and forth between Kellen Moore and Sean Payton. He'll just be like, there look at this boy.
Look at this man.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, Jerry Jones is going to be dealing with a wicked hangover after a night on Bourbon Street.

Speaker 1 That bus is just going to be parked in the middle of Bourbon Street or Frenchman for about eight hours just pounding Johnny Walker blue.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't be shocked if Jerry Jones at this point in his life is just like, hey, put a bed in my suite and I'll just crash there. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 I mean, they drop him off from, like, even though the game's at night, he's like, just drop me off in the suite. I'll just sleep in the suite.
Yeah, he saw Hugh Fries' setup.

Speaker 1 He's like, I want something like that. I want that.
I want that. Okay, should we do some picks? Let's do it.

Speaker 1 Hank, why don't you start us off with some favorites?

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 1 He's crunching the numbers, love it. I'm crunching some numbers right now.
I think my favorite that I'm going to take

Speaker 1 will be the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Okay. I had that too, Hank.
Interesting. Good pick.
Minus six. Thank you.
Good pick as well to you.

Speaker 1 People aren't talking about this enough, but this is the first professional game that Patrick Mahomes is playing indoors. And he's been an outdoor outdoor cat his entire life.

Speaker 1 And the first game he's playing as a 99 rating in Madden. Oh, that's that's probably even more significant.
So now he really has to step up. Yeah, we'll see how he can fare with a roof over his head.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Everyone's expecting him to light it up.
I'm hoping that he does too. I mean, it's the

Speaker 1 point thus far. But you know what's crazy?

Speaker 1 If you, and now I don't want to get nerdy on everyone here, but if you look at the advanced stats, he's actually, he actually has taken a step back from last year thus far, but he's so damn good that it doesn't even make, like, he's thrown some interceptions that have been dropped, that kind of thing, but he's so damn good that you don't even notice it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he may have taken a step back, but he's not disappointed. Correct.
He's still throwing 6,000 yards.

Speaker 1 When I say he's taking a step back, I mean he went from 100 out of 100 to like 99.5 out of 100.

Speaker 1 Someone did a contract extension simulation for him on Madden, and the deal that they came up with for him was seven years, $270 million. Done.
Done. That's a bad thing.
It's a bargain.

Speaker 1 It is a bargain. It's a bargain.
Absolutely. Yeah, so I was thinking about this because tonight's game is obviously the Packers and the Eagles.

Speaker 1 But I was thinking about big fat coaches and how I miss these teams, Andy Reid teams. I miss the Eagles having a fat coach love.
And I miss the Packers having a fat coach. It fits it.

Speaker 1 And what I don't like more than anything else is the Cardinals.

Speaker 1 When you have Cliff Kingsbury, when you have a hot guy that's coaching your team and he does something like kick a field goal from the two-yard line, that's a fat guy move.

Speaker 1 That's a fat guy coach move. Because their brain doesn't work really well.
A skinny guy

Speaker 1 playing conservatively sucks. There's nothing worse than that.
No, I agree. Yeah, fat coaches, they get tired as the game goes along and they just can't think as well.
Just kick it.

Speaker 1 The fat coaches are kind of out. Yeah, I hate that.
Yeah. No, it's.
Who's the next one?

Speaker 1 There's no like young hot offensive coordinator or defense coordinator that's been being talked about as the next big coach.

Speaker 1 I guess Freddie Kitchens and Matt Patricia both got hired in the last two years.

Speaker 1 That helped. Freddie Kitchens could swell up.
I could see him getting there. I mean, he's pretty big.
He's a pretty big boy. Yeah, also, the name Kitchens kind of helps, too.

Speaker 1 He's always in the kitchens. All right, so you're taking the Chiefs as well? Yep.

Speaker 1 I want to take the Bears, but I'm not going to do it because I'm not going to be biased here, but I think the Bears will win by 100.

Speaker 1 So instead, I'm going to take PFT, your guy, Joe Flacco, the Denver Broncos, minus three.

Speaker 1 I love Gardner Minshew. He's a recurring guest.

Speaker 1 Gardner Minshew's been around a little too much this week.

Speaker 1 He went out to the Palouse out at Washington State last Saturday. He took a picture with Funko Rica.
I saw that. He still makes me want to climb a tree nation.

Speaker 1 It's like a Thursday night football game. I'm just saying,

Speaker 1 I think Gardner Minshew is very good. I think the second game, you know, he actually is the third game he started, but he had his first win.
Now he has to go to Denver. It's still hot.
All that stuff.

Speaker 1 The altitude. I think Denver finally wins again.
And Denver is in a true must-win. Like, the season's over if we don't win.
Right.

Speaker 1 I was talking to Jeff DeLowe about this, and we were trying to figure out what the problem with Flacco has been this year. And

Speaker 1 I think we came up with it. He's old.
Number one, he's just

Speaker 1 no, there's something wrong with him. I think it's time to get that narrative started that just like Cam Newton, there's something physically wrong.
He's hurt.

Speaker 1 He's playing through something right now. And then we tossed out the idea that maybe he has sickle cell like Ryan Clark has.
Yeah, yeah. So maybe just him playing in Denver this whole time.

Speaker 1 And he's just fighting. He's just on the verge of death every single play.

Speaker 1 Which, if there was a quarterback that was dying while he was playing, the result would look a lot like how Joe Flash just played. Absolutely.
Okay, so those are our favorites.

Speaker 1 Hank, why don't you go with your underdog?

Speaker 1 I will go with the L.A. No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 Apparently I said the Rams last week as my underdogs, but they weren't underdogs. That's okay.
That's all. That counts.
It's on us for not catching it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 My underdog, I will go with the Redskins.

Speaker 1 Okay. Dwayne Haskins, it's finally going to be his time.
EFT Hitler. I said 0% chance they win the game.
0% chance. Also, he's not playing.

Speaker 1 Definitely? Yeah, he was playing with the scout team all week. So, Casey was playing.

Speaker 1 Maybe the whole scout team plays.

Speaker 1 Maybe the entire existence of the last 20 years of the Redskins has been a giant rope-adult for this weekend. Yeah.
And they're like, ha, we finally got. I still like that pick, Henry.

Speaker 1 Good bet, Henry. I still like that pick.
I thought Jones hurt too high. Go back.
Everyone's loving Daniel Jones. Keenum is hurt.
Yeah. But he's still going to play.
Everyone loves

Speaker 1 if he gets hurt early. He's not injured.
Okay. PFT, your underdog.
My underdog,

Speaker 1 I am going to go with

Speaker 1 the Dolphins again.

Speaker 1 And you want to know why? Stop. Chargers are traveling east.
Stop. Chargers are traveling east.
That's all you got to say about it. Just roll it out there and win that game.

Speaker 1 They got Melvin Gordon coming back. There's going to be too many touches in the backfield.
None of the guys. He's not.
Oh, hey, there you go.

Speaker 1 Got him. Melvin Gordon's a distraction, though.
That's what I'm going to spin this into.

Speaker 1 So Eckler's going to be upset that Melvin Gordon's coming back. You got him.
Phillip Phillip Rivers,

Speaker 1 they're going to win the game, but I don't see him covering 15.5. Okay.
I'm surprised this one's still on the board here from everyone.

Speaker 1 I think the Browns are going to cover seven easy. I think the Browns are going to win this game because they need it more than anyone else.
And

Speaker 1 you hear it all week about how Freddie Kitchens sucks. By the way, did you see the video that it might have been a Baker Audible? Yeah.
But I deleted that for my memory.

Speaker 1 So it was a Freddy Kitchens is an idiot.

Speaker 1 I heard Baker not take responsibility for it. I heard Freddy take responsibility for it.
So

Speaker 1 Baker told us that it was Freddy by not saying it was him. So I'm going to believe that.

Speaker 1 I think the Ravens are slightly overrated, and the Browns are underrated, and seven seems like too much.

Speaker 1 It was a 26-24 game in week 17 last year. Yeah.
And now we're, you know, not the Browns have gotten a little better. Lamar has obviously gotten better, but it feels like seven's too much.

Speaker 1 And John Harbaugh has become the new Doug Peterson. Yeah.
He's doing the advanced sports and analytics all the time.

Speaker 1 It'd be interesting to find out if there's like somebody that that does online analysis for football teams that is a consultant that might be working for the Ravens.

Speaker 1 I'm just putting two and two together. Interesting.
I don't know. Not going to name names, but he's not Warren Dulles.

Speaker 1 I think he bashed the Browns, so we crossed him off the list. No, no, I'm saying he works for the Ravens.
Oh, yeah, yeah, he works for the Ravens. All right, Hank, you're over.
Go. Patriots Bills.

Speaker 1 Ooh. Okay, interesting, Hank.
I hate my under. I love it.
That's my under. I don't hate that logic, but no, I seriously don't.
If you just look at something like that, you're like, this is so bad.

Speaker 1 And then you're just like, you know what? Let's fucking do it.

Speaker 1 You assume that the Patriots are going to shut the Bills out because they haven't let up a touchdown. And you think the Patriots will win by like 21 points, but then there's still 21 points.

Speaker 1 Where's that coming from? Right. It's going to happen somewhere.
That's a good point, Hank. It was Confucius who said the wisest man is the man who knows nothing.
Who knows that he knows nothing.

Speaker 1 Hank. Who knows that he knows nothing.
And Hank has finally realized that, making you the smartest man. Yes.
Correct.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 What's your pick, PFT, for your over? My over, I'm going Kansas City, Detroit. Patrick Holmes has never played a game indoors.
And so he's good. Something about that roof over his head.

Speaker 1 It's just going to work. It's all going to click.
Fast turf. All right.
I'm taking the Giants and the Redskins over. I feel like there's going to be no defense in that game.
Over 49.

Speaker 1 Dwayne Haskins. Yep.
That's going to be great. Hank's not even listening.
All right. Dwayne Haskins.
Dwayne Haskins. When he comes out, it's going to be like that.

Speaker 1 Listen, when you get Dwayne Haskins and Jordan Reed on that field together,

Speaker 1 scary Terry. I like that.
The OSU connection back in action. All right, Unders.

Speaker 1 Gross. I'll start actually.
I have the Patriots Bills under. Okay.
42.5. I'm going head-to-head on that one.
That one's going to be gross in terms of offensive football. I'm going to go Broncos Jags.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
Good bit.

Speaker 1 I don't mind that. 38.5? Yeah.
No, I have 38 right now.

Speaker 1 I'll give you the half. I'm going Seattle, Arizona.

Speaker 1 48.

Speaker 1 I think that Seattle is going to win like 24 to 12. Okay.
One of those types of scores. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. So those are our picks.
I'm going to do something special here. So I teased this.
It's four field goals from Cliff Kingsbury, all from within the 10-yard line. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, so here's my special thing. This is going to be my no-lose parlay of the week.
I did it week one at one, and I forgot to do it the last two weeks. So I'm back.
You ready for it?

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's do Fantasy Fuck Boys and let's get to our huge, huge interview with Lorenzo Neal and Mike Allstott.

Speaker 1 What's up, boys? Yeah, it's Mike and Osarugula. Oh, my stardom is E-Cubed.
That's right. Triple fucking E.
E-E-E-E. Talking of Volley.
We got four deaths this month in Massachusetts alone.

Speaker 1 That shit is back. Get some triple E.
Don't get some triple E. Stay inside.
Don't go inside. Triple E.
I have no idea what he's talking about.

Speaker 1 I'm not touching that fucking triple E. What are you talking about? You killed the mosquito, bro.
Oh, you talking about Bola? Triple E. That's where that

Speaker 1 fucker Napoleon got his ass kicked. Mosquitoes fucking suck your arm and you die.
Okay. Triple E.
Shit. Might just be a Boston thing.
Okay, little eight for mosquitoes. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 My sit him is Uncle Rico. Yeah.
That dude looks old as fuck. No way he can still throw a football over those mountains.
Damn, I never believed he could in the first place.

Speaker 1 Looks like he's been sucking down some mosquito blood. And my sleefa is Pitbull.
Damn. Dollars before me at the halftime show in my A-O, and Mr.
305 isn't missing that big of a party.

Speaker 1 That is such bullshit, Pitbull, is Miami's Imagine Dragons. Dolly, dolly, dolly.
I like how you said Maia-Yo. My A-O.

Speaker 1 Be doing the white. Yo, what's up? This is Briscotti Duhati.
This weekend, I'm Scott and Tony Romo. That's right, good Italian kid.
He's gonna be out there on the Gulf Lake.

Speaker 1 And if he wins, Darren Revell deleted the old Twitter account, baby. Oh, yeah.
You need to put how to hit out on whoever's in first. Wait, wait.
Let's murder some people, Hank. I'm writing this down.

Speaker 1 We're gonna talk about this after. Darren Bell said.

Speaker 1 Darren Revelle said, if that's it. No, no, we're talking about it.

Speaker 1 We'll talk about it. You write this down because we're gonna chew the fact on this one.
Okay. I'm sitting referees.
That's right, refs. You know what we used to do to whistleblowers back in the day?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Don't get political.

Speaker 1 We give you some illegal contact. As long as it's within the five-yard boundary to Lion scrimmage, I could murder you, you whistleblow fuck.
My firefest of the week, that's

Speaker 1 my sleeper of the week. I'm sleeping bye weeks.
Oh. Sleeping by weeks.
I know what you're thinking. No football for my team.
My guys aren't playing. What am I supposed to do for eight hours?

Speaker 1 Well, I'll tell you what, trick your family into thinking that you're skipping out on your team's game to hang out with them on Sunday. Don't tell them it's a bye week.
Don't think you're a saint.

Speaker 1 Shout out, Francis. Shout out, Mary.
Shout out

Speaker 1 Peter. God bless.
Mary,

Speaker 1 all of them. All right, what's up, guys? I don't have a name this week because I always forget my names and then it always just be Tortellini or Salt Peace.
Naestardum. Johnny, no name.

Speaker 1 Maestardum is Kobe Stands. Bleacher Report came out with their top 50 all-time NBA players, and Kobe was 14.

Speaker 1 Steph Curry is 10. And Kobe's 15.
They're mad. They're real mad.
They're big, mad, mad. Who the neighbors?

Speaker 1 My sinem is Kawhi Leonard because speaking of Kobe, Kobe's teaching Kawhi how to hog the basketball and be a terrible teammate. That's gotta send a shimmer down your spine, Clippers fans.

Speaker 1 Hopefully he teaches them how to talk. Kawhi die.

Speaker 1 My sleeper is flannels. It's flannel secrets.
That's it. Comfy.
That's it. Just get comfy.
I love plannels. Makes you feel like you're Nirvana or something.

Speaker 1 Makes you feel like you're getting hugged by a lumberjack on every inch of your body. Put on some radio head and listen to the, you know, sip of coffee.
Yeah. Just be like, this fucking life sucks.

Speaker 1 Radiohead's for fucking pussy. Yeah, but life sucks.
All right.

Speaker 1 We got to clean up some shit because

Speaker 1 one.

Speaker 1 I wanted to talk quickly about this Kobe bleacher report list because that's fucking funny.

Speaker 1 Bleacher Report has like figured out a way in the middle of September, who the fuck cares about the top 50 NBA players? I don't don't know. Was there something reason? Was there a reason why they put.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know why. I just happened to see

Speaker 1 I stumbled across a list of the top 50 current players, and Jaybutt was 21. I don't know if you saw him.
Well, no, he's fallen off since we, since I made the proclamation.

Speaker 1 I squatted on the take.

Speaker 1 Kobe was ranked 14. Steph Curry was ranked 10.
Kobe stands.

Speaker 1 Bleach Report literally, I think they sat in a meeting and they're like, hey, we need some content that isn't us just like having a guy get pancake block and then turn into a literal pancake.

Speaker 1 What can we do to get everyone riled up? I know.

Speaker 1 Put Steph Curry ahead of Kobe on an all-time NBA players list and you will get the most interactions because Kobe stands are the craziest people on the internet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, they're probably squeezing a lot of content out of this because they can very easily just take a screenshot of Steph being ahead of Kobe and just do the who did this fam, cry face, cry face.

Speaker 1 That's a million retweets right there. Then they can do a slideshow of all the Kobe stands that threatened to kill us for putting him behind Steph Curry on the list.
Boom, more content right there.

Speaker 1 Right. So, Gene, hats off.

Speaker 1 When they've got a win, like when they did that picture for the U.S.

Speaker 1 women's team where it was just a bunch of random celebrities and they just set the internet on fire, or when they have Kobe behind Steph Curry,

Speaker 1 I'll tip my cap. The greatest trolls that aren't really trolls, that are accidental trolls of the internet.
Yeah, Kobe, behind you, is one position you do not want Kobe Bryant to be. Correct.

Speaker 1 The other thing, Ravel? Yeah. What is this? So Ravel said that he's he said that he would delete his Twitter account if Tony Romo won the golf tournament that he was in this weekend.

Speaker 1 Because Tony Romo is playing as an amateur in a PGA tournament this weekend. So Boomer is going to fill in.

Speaker 1 It's not a PGA tournament, but it's filled with professional golfers. Boomer is going to, Boomer Seism is going to fill in on Sunday if Tony makes the cut.
So

Speaker 1 our darling Jake, whose birthday it is today, by the way, told me

Speaker 1 he's a five-back

Speaker 1 today. Oh, so Ravel's a fucking pussy.

Speaker 1 Did he tweet it before or after? No, before. Oh.
It was before. So, yeah.
Right, maybe he's birdied. No, he's definitely a pussy, but not for that reason.
But Tony birdied the first hole.

Speaker 1 I also feel like this is like if Tony Roma wins, like, I could definitely see Ravel replying and being like, ha ha, just kidding. Or, like, I would delete my Twitter for a minute.
Yeah, right, right.

Speaker 1 Some dumb bullshit.

Speaker 1 How hilarious would it be, though, if Boomer got up in the booth and absolutely killed it and took Tony's job and did a dapped on on Tony

Speaker 1 again. Real shame.

Speaker 1 Real shame.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that is our weekend preview, our Fantasy Fuck Boys,

Speaker 1 big college football game in Nebraska. I'm rooting for you in Nebraska.
I know I shit on you guys a lot. I want you guys to be relevant again.

Speaker 1 It's not going to happen, but it's nice to say those things, right? It's very nice to say.

Speaker 1 I know that they're not going to win and nothing is going to come of it. So I can comfortably sit here and be like, I'm rooting for you guys.
Congratulations.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like you guys, I want you guys to do this. Nebraska, college football is better when Nebraska is a good team.
Yeah. When Nebraska is doing steroids in the 80s.

Speaker 1 Now, people are going to be really mad about that. All right.
Let's get to Mike Allstott and Lorenzo Neal.

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Speaker 1 Let's get to our interview. Mike Alstott and Lorenzo Neal.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on two very special guests. So, so special.
PFT is in his tuxedo. They're future Hall of Famers.
Good. Thank you.
Appreciate that. It's fullback Friday.

Speaker 1 We have two legends of the game, Lorenzo Neal and Mike Allstott, future Hall of Famers. I'll say it again.
We just got to get in the pipeline. Thank you guys for coming here.

Speaker 1 We randomly have a bench press that we might have to use. It's weird.
It just

Speaker 1 showed up today. So we have the bench press.
We got the fullbacks.

Speaker 1 This is the most nervous he's ever been.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'll do some reps. Classic.
Yes. What's the over-under on reps I can do? Because I don't even know.

Speaker 4 I'm going to go. I'm going to say

Speaker 1 I got 12. Okay.
Disrespectful from both of you guys.

Speaker 1 I'll do 15. Well, we were smart because we got the bench press, but we only have 245, so you can't go on.
I was thinking of my reps, actually. Then what is me? What do you guys think?

Speaker 1 That's going to be 13. Okay.

Speaker 1 What do you bets right now?

Speaker 1 225.

Speaker 1 That's the max I'll do. Yeah.

Speaker 1 A lot of reps. Yeah, just throw it up there, whatever.
What about you, Lorenzo?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'm in the same wheelhouse. I don't really go that heavy anymore.

Speaker 4 225, but I could, I mean, we had to, me and the big fella, we could still throw it around if we wanted to, but we don't do it anymore.

Speaker 1 You know, we're not going to do it. We don't have to get issues.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 That's like us. Yeah, we got all these issues.
I don't go for weight anymore. We go for zone.
We keep it pretty tight up. We're a health-conscious podcast.
Right.

Speaker 1 Before we get into it, because I'm going to have some very nice things to say about both you guys. You're right.

Speaker 1 I want to address an elephant in the room. Mike, I've been talking a lot of shit about you recently.
Yeah. And we need to squash this right now.
Is it about my offense?

Speaker 1 It's about your offense that you run. You're a high school coach

Speaker 1 and you don't use a fullback.

Speaker 1 What the fuck? What the hell? Like, you're just going to turn your back. I've been coached up.
You know, about this. Here it is.
I don't have no social media. And I never have, and

Speaker 1 I really don't get into it.

Speaker 1 But again, the boys from Western Michigan are filling me in on everything that's going on. My son, right? Yeah, my son and

Speaker 1 your fan base, right? And I got this last night

Speaker 1 from me.

Speaker 1 You better be a heads up, Dad. He's going to ask you about the fullback.
That's great. Yeah, you don't run 11 personnel.
So what's up with that?

Speaker 1 I don't have the personnel. You don't have a fullback?

Speaker 1 You can't just.

Speaker 1 Or you can't just sneak in and pair it.

Speaker 1 I have a school of 260 kids I coach at. Okay.
Total enrollment, right? So I'll have 30 kids. And so when my son was playing in 13 to 16, right, I did have a fullback, right? I did go spread.

Speaker 1 But again, when it came into when we wanted to pound the ball, I did bring a fullback in there. I had actually two fullbacks then, and I don't right now.

Speaker 1 So you have any, like, have you like, I would imagine you just show up at like the middle school being like, that kid's going to be a fullback.

Speaker 1 How do you know? There's no question. When they walked through the door to Shadow and they went there in eighth grader and we're right there in the office going, hey, what do you do?

Speaker 1 You play basketball? I mean, you play football, you play football, you play sports? You know what I mean? Yeah. What's going on? So, yes,

Speaker 1 we're all about the kids walking in. So what does a fullback look like? Like, what's the type, what are the traits that need to be, a kid has to have for you to be like, that's my fullback.

Speaker 1 Oh, 6'1, 250. That's it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's easy for

Speaker 1 14.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I see those every day. What do you mean?

Speaker 1 Like, if you take Bronk and and you just squash them together and compress them a little bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just why don't you just take a break? No, I just need a bowling ball.

Speaker 1 I need an aggressive kid. You know what I mean? I need an aggressive kid to go in there and hit the linebackers and hit the end on the power and do it.

Speaker 4 I never thought I'd see the day. I'm so glad you brought that up.
That you're going to sit here and tell me you play basketball in the grass and you think you're going to win on a consistent basis.

Speaker 4 I'm just

Speaker 1 50.

Speaker 1 I'm 50. Thank you.
That's all. Exactly.
Let's talk about this. So, when I did come up with this offense, the first two years I was tight end

Speaker 1 and fullback running back.

Speaker 1 High school, they packed the box. I didn't have the personnel.
22 personnel. So I had to spread them out, right?

Speaker 1 Spread them out. Then my quarterback, who is who? My son.

Speaker 1 Of course. So how are you going to tailor an offense, right? You're going to tailor an offense to your quarterback because obviously you want him to get an order at you and be able to do...

Speaker 1 Sorry about that. You don't want to pay for college.
That's how this whole thing started because you didn't want to pay for his college. Oh, no question.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you were running up the score so that your son could get all the stats. You were basically playing like when.
The whole read game, the whole thing, like everybody else is doing, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, when you play,

Speaker 1 they don't have the college football video game anymore, but I would always play, and then the first week I'd put up 15 touchdowns against the Sisters of the Poor, so I could get the Heisman.

Speaker 1 You're doing that in real life with your kids. Well, yeah, we're trying, actually.

Speaker 1 That's the goal, right? That's the goal. That's perfect.
That is perfect. So I think a lot of people don't realize that you guys used to be teammates back in the day for a hot second, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 In the Bucs. So when you guys were playing together, who was first string? Who was second string?

Speaker 4 I was second on everything.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 back though, when me and Mike, when I would be in the...

Speaker 1 We had packages, though. Yeah.
We had packages.

Speaker 1 We were a rhino package. Okay.
So, again,

Speaker 1 if we got hot, you know, work got kind of upset. Yeah.
Did you guys ever go one-on-one? You guys ever do a little... I'm sorry, Wark, but you did.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You guys ever do Oklahoma drill against each other? No. No.
Pull in the ring? Anything like that? Him, get on my hip and don't dip. Let's ride.
That was what you say. Yeah, call them.

Speaker 1 I'm in the piss on the fire. Let's ride.
Let's ride, baby. Yes.

Speaker 1 I'm in the huddle.

Speaker 1 Can't breathe. And come on, daddy, let's go.
Get on my hip.

Speaker 4 We were, it was a great store. We were playing up.
So we'd do this. Every time we would score, we'd do the Mark McGuire, Sammy Sulsa, you know, the punch.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 we were rolling because people didn't want to see us. I mean, Denny Green, Rest, and Priest, I think think they went 15 and what, two? The only game, Minutes, the only game they lost.

Speaker 1 We were three and four. We had a win.

Speaker 4 And we played them. Mike went crazy on them.
I think we had over 300, Dornier, 300 yards rushing. We just lined up, and they had hardly lose a game.
We just played smash mouth football.

Speaker 4 This guy's tongue's hanging out of his mouth, and I thought, let's go, buddy. Let's go.
We were just running the ball down their throats.

Speaker 1 That was hilarious in the huddle.

Speaker 1 Hilarious.

Speaker 4 Yeah. You get fired up.

Speaker 1 What did they win for us?

Speaker 1 What's the best hit you guys ever put on somebody?

Speaker 1 Best block you ever had?

Speaker 1 I'm going to say the best run against Washington against

Speaker 1 when I ran over Springs, the Ohio State DV, wasn't it? Sean Springs. Sean Springs, yeah.
Yeah, wearing the white compression sleeves. Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 4 You get in the truck job, and you said, get on my head.

Speaker 1 I accidentally stepped on his chest when I ran through him. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 You'd stepped on my head.

Speaker 1 And he asked me, why'd you do that to me when we were in TV timeout? And I'm like, I didn't mean to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was a brutal game. I remember that.
You didn't get in on that two-point conversion at the end of the game, by the way. Oh, no, you were stopped at the goal.

Speaker 1 No, you were stopped at the goal. From the one.
From the one, right? You were stopped at the goal.

Speaker 1 BT is on you. You brought it, you bought it today, Brad.
You're ready for it. I remember.
You were dressed up for us. I did.
I did, but this is how I'm showing you love by letting you know that

Speaker 1 I'm going to set a tone in this interview right now. Just like you want to hit somebody first play in the game.
That's what I'm doing right now, showing you who the alpha is at this table.

Speaker 1 We're going to have to come over to the table. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Never mind.

Speaker 1 These are all my questions. What What about your run against the Browns, which is like the Mike Allstott run I always think of is that one, and it's perfect because it was like nine yards.
And

Speaker 1 it wasn't a touchdown or anything, but you just basically shred everyone, just throwing people off of you. Do you remember that one? Yeah, no, I recall.

Speaker 1 It was just, you know, an opportunity.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think a lot of times is, you know, certain situations for me to get the ball was four minutes, goal line, and I was always a guy that needed to take care of my opportunities or otherwise I wasn't going to get it again.

Speaker 1 You know know what I mean? So I was, you know, just a second, third, fourth, fifth effort guy, and that's how I always played. Okay.

Speaker 1 And then, Lorenzo, I was reading up on some of the old interviews you did, and my favorite thing you said was that you're just Eddie George's doorman.

Speaker 1 And I think that's the perfect way to describe a fullback. You're like, I'm just his doorman.
I'm out there. So you blocked for some unbelievable running backs, you know, LT, but Eddie George as well.

Speaker 1 Corey Dillon, Mike Allstock, work done,

Speaker 1 all those guys.

Speaker 4 And everyone was so unique in so many different ways I remember talking about a big hit I think Ray Childers I don't know if you guys remember I'm going way back in the days my days in New Orleans he's a defensive lineman big strong guy we did a wham block and I hit him and it hurt me too but he said I think he broke you can read his lips I think he broke my effing arm

Speaker 4 I mean that was it was a nice nice hit I mean he sat on the ground they had to come get him and he gave me the look and I was like sometime you get the bear sometimes the bear gets you so that that particular one was that one like oh, okay, I got that guy, and he was a hell of a player.

Speaker 4 But that's it. It was about being selfish.
It's about, hey, you know what?

Speaker 4 You line up, you know, you go out there, and if you want to play, especially with the fullback position, you see how it's just a dying breed, and they don't get the reps and get the, you know, the praise I think that they deserve.

Speaker 4 They're lining in the backfield.

Speaker 4 And Mike was one of the elite ones because of the fact he could run, could catch, do a lot of other things that, you know, it could be a tailback slash fullback, H-back. He could do it all.

Speaker 4 He was versatile, one of the most versatile fullbacks that, you know, the game has seen.

Speaker 4 And it's just been, you that journey of just going out there and saying, you know what, I'm going to impose my will on you. I'm going to make you quit.

Speaker 4 You are not going to stand and last for four quarters against me. That's what I thrived off of, and that's what kind of drove me.

Speaker 1 Is the fullback coming back, though?

Speaker 1 Because I feel like Kyle Shanahan, Matt LaFleur, all these guys, what the Patriots are doing, it feels like a lot of offenses now, not counting Mike Allstotts because he doesn't run with a fullback, but most

Speaker 1 of now Mike Allstott's looking at me and I'm scared. Shitless.
Oh, no, people.

Speaker 1 I thought we had a good rapport and I overstepped it

Speaker 1 way too early.

Speaker 1 It's like you and Bo Polini are two guys that we've interviewed where they'll be laughing, and then one second, they'll just straighten the mouth out and just stare at you like I might kill you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think you like us, but I'm still, but you still might murder us. But the fullback's coming back, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah, you guys got a jersey up to 42. I like with Kansas City.

Speaker 4 He gets after it.

Speaker 1 He's a boy dog.

Speaker 4 He'll bite you.

Speaker 1 He'll hit you. You saw that.
It's not coming back enough, though. It's not.
He's not coming back.

Speaker 4 But Kyle Huschek, man, they use a fullback over 50%.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, I get it.

Speaker 1 There's certain teams. Them guys have been coaching for so long, right? Kyle Shanahan.

Speaker 1 And they got it going on, right? And he came from that tree. Yeah.
He came from that tree with the fullback. But, you know,

Speaker 1 in the other, the upcoming young offensive coordinators,

Speaker 1 they're not doing that, right? I mean, so

Speaker 1 the Ravens do a little bit. The Ravens do it.

Speaker 1 The Broncos, they got Juice Check.

Speaker 1 It's a new fullback. It's actually kind of like what you guys were, where you can catch the ball a little, too.

Speaker 1 It's more the age of the game.

Speaker 1 It's not the traditional, like, you know,

Speaker 1 hey, put you in the backfield and we know we're coming at you. You know what I mean? Just ram through holes.

Speaker 1 I think the success the Patriots have had, especially in the postseason over the last year, like, Devlin is a big part of that short yardage offense.

Speaker 1 And he is an old school fullback. Yeah, they'll split him out wide sometimes, but nine times out of ten, his job is to run directly.

Speaker 1 The Patriots have a great system of everybody knows their role. Right.
Right? And there's nothing selfish about them.

Speaker 1 So, and I think that's what was so successful when we were the Buccaneers and stuff like that, when we were making our run. We knew our role, and we knew what the heck to do for each other.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? And they play for each other. And that's why some guys can't live in the Patriot system.
You know what I mean? And if they do, obviously you've seen recent stories on people.

Speaker 1 Again, we were so

Speaker 1 unselfish in a lot of our manners. Like, when your time came, you had to make an opportunity of it.
And that's how my story is. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 When I got the ball, I wanted to, you know, do it for my team more so than the stats or whatever it was that I needed to do. And it just came about because we worked so hard together.

Speaker 1 Did you, when you guys played the Super Bowl against the Raiders, did you know all the plays beforehand? Gruden was doing two-minute drilling on Friday.

Speaker 1 I've watched a clip of that before this interview. He was running as Rich Gannon.
He was doing Gannon. And when we go over two-minute on Fridays, he was doing there.

Speaker 1 He'd take everything, call out everything, call out every freaking play and everything except crazy dink and dunk and he was actually and he's the first time that ever happened you know that was only his first year but I've never seen him in my six years with him to do that but yeah he was calling exactly everything that was going on that's crazy that's crazy John Lynch said it was so easy he said that Super Bowl was like

Speaker 1 I cannot believe they're doing everything that Gruden said yeah yeah interesting that's nuts I mean you could feel it once the game started getting out of hand but it is very weird to have that situation where a coach leaves one team and goes right to the other and then they meet in the Super Bowl and we saw by the final result, what was the final score?

Speaker 1 It was like

Speaker 1 too much to too little. Yeah,

Speaker 1 back in the day when Super Bowls sucked. Yeah, there's like a good 10-year run where it's like, nobody should watch the Super Bowl because it's going to be a 20-point blowout.
Yeah, the one.

Speaker 1 Now it's like the Super Bowls are interesting. The one that was good in that run, I mean, we should really bring it up.

Speaker 1 How often in a given year do you see Kevin Dyson reaching for the goal line? That they start to do. You know, that just breaks my heart just watching it.

Speaker 1 You know, all that work, work, hard work, and one yard too short.

Speaker 4 It's crazy because two weeks ago, he was a hero. The Music City Miracle.

Speaker 1 Which you started. Let's talk about that real quick because I don't think people do.

Speaker 1 I think that was a four pass. Yeah, I knew.

Speaker 1 He was on a pullback. Don't start.
Don't start. We have Coach Fisher in here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like the signature play, you could almost make an argument that your signature play over your career was the Music City Miracle in the way that you started it. You look pretty wild.

Speaker 1 Throwing that ball, but

Speaker 4 don't start, Mike.

Speaker 1 Don't start.

Speaker 4 It's not becoming of you. You know, we call it the home run throwback, but it's aka the Music City Miracle.
But it was something that I remember we got to huddle.

Speaker 4 We practiced every, it's not a Friday they didn't go by. We did not practice that.
It's every single Friday we practice that.

Speaker 4 And on Fridays, though, and Saturdays, when you practice it, you know, you don't have pads. So actually, I could catch it and I could actually throw the pass all the way across.

Speaker 4 And I didn't want to take all the credit that day on that Sunday afternoon. I was like, you know what?

Speaker 1 Let someone else have it. Give it to them.
So

Speaker 4 Listen, you could get Frank Wycheck in here.

Speaker 1 They huddle up. We huddle up.

Speaker 4 Lowry calls the play. We're going to do this.
Dyson's not even supposed to be on there. It's supposed to be Ike Berg.
Ike's hurt, so he can't do it. The next is supposed to be Derek Mason.

Speaker 4 He's got a concussion. He can't do it.
He was like the last guy who has never hardly even practiced it, Dyson. So when we called in the huddle, said, we're going to do it.
Home run throwback.

Speaker 4 aka Music City Miracle. Everyone huddles up.
We tell we're going to do the play. It's going to be on.
I go to Frank Wychek, sidebar conversation. I said, Frank, they're going to kick this ball to me.

Speaker 4 Come get it. I said, I'm going to catch it.
And I said, they're going to kick it to me. Watch.
And you come get it. I didn't tell everyone else because then people start looking.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 4 Now my job switched, my role switched. So Frank's the only one that I told on that, Mike.
And I freaking, it's like slow motion. I said, oh my God, the ball's coming.

Speaker 4 I was trying to keep to make sure the elbows are nice and tucked. I said, I got to please do not drop this because I have a lot of drops.

Speaker 4 You know, I could, sometimes I had hands like Roberto Duran, hands of stone. And so, shoot, comes, sure enough, the ball comes to me, take a couple steps, white check,

Speaker 1 pitch it back to him, and rank up the band. And Coach Fisher, yeah, so we've had Coach Fisher on a couple times.

Speaker 1 He said the same thing that you guys practice it, and that Dyson, the reason why it was so close to a forward pass was because Dyson was not supposed to be there. Exactly.

Speaker 1 And he didn't know exactly where he should be standing. Exactly.

Speaker 1 That's awesome, though, when it works out, man.

Speaker 1 It's perfect. It's awesome.
And I've thought the same thing watching it. I just always assumed that you handed the ball back because you said you'd rather block on a play than like throw a pass.

Speaker 1 How old were you when that happened?

Speaker 1 Where yours at? 96? No, no, 99. 99.
That was 99?

Speaker 1 14 years old. That was nice.
Yeah. You were still

Speaker 4 the five-finger knuckle shuffle at that time?

Speaker 1 Did you start that already? That was after the game. That was after the game.
Yeah. No,

Speaker 1 this is when I still thought I might be able to be a fullback as my profession growing up

Speaker 1 until I stopped growing horizontally and vertically.

Speaker 1 But yeah, so Lo, that was probably your signature play, And we've been talking a little bit. I know there's been a lot of chatter about your campaign for the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 I think both you guys should be in the Hall of Fame. It's been a while since a true fullback.
They're going to split

Speaker 1 in. That's the issue.

Speaker 1 Mike,

Speaker 1 you would be more of a halfback than a fullback, I guess, if you were to put on your highlight reel and say, okay, these are Mike Alstott's best plays, right?

Speaker 1 It's you dancing, running through people, having insanely fast feet as you're also running people over. And Lo, your highlight reel would be you just knocking the piss out of people.

Speaker 1 So it's like you are both fullbacks, but you're two different types of fullback. And I don't want you to split votes.
So we got to figure out a way, like,

Speaker 1 how do we figure out who's getting in the Hall of Fame here?

Speaker 4 For me personally, I don't care if Mike gets in. I don't care if Moose Johnson gets in.
I don't care if Larry Sinners get in. I think there should be a fullback in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 I think if you look at Moose Johnson, you look at guys like Sam Gash, you look at, you know, even Corey Schlesinger, a guy that I loved in Detroit who, you know, didn't block a lot, but when he got in, he made guys apologize.

Speaker 4 Sam Gash would get down to William Floyd. There's a lot of guys.
Tommy Rathman, you've seen, you know, what he brought to the game.

Speaker 4 You know, I look at it and I'm just like, I just think that there has been, they let Red Guy, you let punters and stuff in. It should be a fullback should be in the Hall of Fame.
Mike's deserving.

Speaker 4 Moose Johnson's deserving. You go and you play double-digit years.
You go out there, you block, you're putting it on the line. Sam Gash, go look at highlight.
reels of that guy, what he did.

Speaker 4 Mac Trump, what he did in Seattle. I mean, there's a lot of guys that don't get the credit.

Speaker 4 So for me personally, yeah, I know I got the shirts and stuff and t-shirts and campaign and all the different things, but for me.

Speaker 4 No, honestly, I'd be happy if you were in.

Speaker 1 I think the one thing is, though, it's like,

Speaker 1 you know, the people that are in are

Speaker 1 always the superstars. You don't see the role players.
Right. The guys that are taking care of, you know, paving the way,

Speaker 1 doing the small things behind the scenes, you know, for, you know, the statistic guys. You know what I mean? Right.
And

Speaker 1 remember it's a team game you need all 11 right absolutely to win it and and at one given time so that's what this whole thing you know that we're talking about is hey why are we or being forgotten just because we don't have the 10 000 yards rushing and we don't have the gazillion touchdowns or we don't have this or we don't have that you know what i mean we are there each and every day and we put and the thing is i think so

Speaker 1 we did it the right way you know what i mean we put our hearts and souls and passion

Speaker 1 and did it the right way and stayed out of trouble and everything that was possibly due to live our dreams. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And make sure that we're out there. And when we weren't out there, we made sure we were going to get out there awfully fast.
You know what I mean? If there was some type of injury. And

Speaker 1 that's the one thing that I think is being forgotten a lot of times when we're talking about, you know,

Speaker 1 when you're a... NFLer, you know what I mean? You're a true NFL.

Speaker 1 Why don't we just get the fullback position is in the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 1 So it's like everyone, wouldn't that be the ultimate fullback where you guys all don't take personal credit, you just take credit for the position, and then we induct just the position as itself?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I know. You all get gold jackets.
Boom. Done.
I like that idea. That's right.

Speaker 1 Because then you guys can do a speech and be like, look, Mike can go up and be like, you know what, I don't want to take credit. I'll let Lowe talk.

Speaker 1 And then Lowe goes up and is like, I don't want to take credit. I'll let Moose talk.
And then you guys just go around and around for like five hours.

Speaker 1 It will still be better than Ray Lewis. It's a good enough time to have the actual speech.
Yeah, it will still be better than Ray Lewis's speech.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. There it is.
That's the idea.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 1 I had a question. We were talking beforehand.

Speaker 1 Lorenzo, your son goes to Purdue. Mike, you went to Purdue.
Why do you guys not like fun?

Speaker 1 Why wouldn't I like what? Fun, fun, fun. You went to Purdue.
Mike's looking like he's going to kill us again. Yep.
I'm just going to do that every few minutes. Just be like, get him back.

Speaker 1 You don't like fun.

Speaker 1 You don't like fun, and you don't want your son to have fun so you sent him to purdue mike had a lot of fun

Speaker 1 my am i see mike mike is actually confused like no no he college was awesome

Speaker 1 mike had some mike had some fun at purdue i got

Speaker 1 i've met some people at purdue and is it true mike that you used to uh train by pushing your jeep at the practice fields at purdue uphill jesus

Speaker 1 in the snow

Speaker 1 uphill in the snow would there be anybody cheerleaders in the jeep all the cheerleaders in the jeep would somebody be in the driver's seat right yeah

Speaker 1 Jamie Washel, my defensive lineman? So after leg day, we'd go back.

Speaker 1 Wait, after leg day,

Speaker 1 you'd push your Jeep. Yeah, so there was a parking lot that was for the band, right? It was all marked out, painted.
The parking lot. Band camp? Yeah, exactly.
For

Speaker 1 field, you know, 100 yards field.

Speaker 1 And it actually had a little slope going and going one way.

Speaker 1 So he would get in, we'd turn up like Metallica, Leslie, whatever, and freaking get after it, right, and push it, push all the way up, all right?

Speaker 1 Next person turn around, and we just switch off and keep on doing it. So, I mean, that's a stereotype for a fullback, but I fucking love it.
Yeah, no, I love it. Yeah, no, it's the truth.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And then you, did you also train with tires? I've read something about you, like, what do you do with tire? I actually started

Speaker 1 pushing a station wagon in

Speaker 1 in high school. So that's where it started from.
And then I had the Jeep when I went to college. But we'd actually have down the cornfields where we're at everything.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden there's cornfields. So we actually used to go from telephone pole to telephone pole, pushing it.
And then

Speaker 1 when I was in high school, I used to have tires and run 40-yard dashes in my yard, and I have just a strip of no grass because that's where the tires were every day. Jesus.
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 That's awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what about you, Lowe? What did you do to trend?

Speaker 4 You know what? Me, I just picked up pigs and bucked hay.

Speaker 1 I'm from a country boy.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'm from the farm. I'm from a town called Leymore, California.

Speaker 1 You just picked up pigs. Picked them up.
Put them down. Yeah,

Speaker 4 a lot of pig balls. Ate a lot of pig nuts.

Speaker 1 Mountain mountain ocean. There you go.
Okay.

Speaker 4 Mountain oysters. When you get a chance to come out there,

Speaker 4 you come out to Central Valley down there to Lee Moore, California.

Speaker 1 And I'll take you out there to the farm. I've eaten a couple nuts.
Yeah, I've had Rocky Mountain Orchestra.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so you cut them, you throw a little oil in there, and you make sure you clip them, make sure you put a little kind of rubber band for them.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to bleed out. Yeah, yeah.
I'm telling you how you do it.

Speaker 4 Absolutely. So yeah, so I so you'd have to, and you would give them the shot.
So you had to grab these pigs and wrestle them. So I'm wrestling pigs.

Speaker 4 I had to get up every morning at, believe it or not, 4.30 every morning.

Speaker 1 You know, he's an all-American wrestler. Yeah, I know.
I haven't written down. He wrestled a sumo wrestler.
Yeah. Beat him and milk cows.
I had to do it all.

Speaker 4 Buck hay. You have to get that hook.
Boom, boom. You don't use your back because you blow your back out.
So

Speaker 4 every day I'd run for 150 yards, 16 tackles a game, average.

Speaker 4 And then I have to get up the next morning

Speaker 4 on Saturday. My dad says, rise and shine.
Those pigs don't care how many yards you ran for today, boy. Get up.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 Those pigs need picking up. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 For what reason were you picking up the pigs?

Speaker 4 Because you have to give them shots. You got to move them to different pens.

Speaker 1 They got to mind. They're going to move pigs around.

Speaker 1 I like it.

Speaker 4 Calves, calves, you know, that you got to do when the mom, when the babies, the moms have the babies, you got to get the calves out because it's cold. They'll freeze outside.

Speaker 4 So you got to bring them in and put them in a little stall and give them milk.

Speaker 1 So you're doing a lot of.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you.

Speaker 4 I'd go to school.

Speaker 1 You spread this on the internet.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's great because it is.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 there's kind of like this story of every fullback and having these, you know, pushing Jeeps, picking up pigs. It's like John Henry.
Yeah, but

Speaker 1 have you guys obviously talked to other fullbacks? It feels like everyone has one of these stories, the most blue-collar position there is.

Speaker 4 Mike Courtney does it. He did the same thing.
Mike looked up to you so much, Mike Courtney. He's pushing cars, doing the same thing that you did, you know, because it's just, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 Guys would contact us.

Speaker 4 Guys would contact me. God, I don't want to be like you.
Devontae Leach, all these guys. They'll contact us, pick up the phone.
Tony Richardson, the great fullback, too.

Speaker 4 Didn't want to wanted to mention him as well. But it's crazy because a lot of them, that's just hardworking guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's awesome.
Yeah. It's awesome.

Speaker 1 There wasn't modern day technology as there is now. You know what I mean? You go in one warehouse and you get to do it all.
We had to be creative. So, I mean.

Speaker 1 It must be crazy walking into like college facilities now and seeing the weight room and seeing all this stuff. It's insane.
Yeah, right? Yeah.

Speaker 4 We could still be playing. If we came, if the way that the NFL and stuff is now, you can only be in pads 16 days in winter season.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 4 you only padded up. 16 days, bro.
That's nothing.

Speaker 4 That is not even a whole season. You're only talking about pads only twice, 16 times, and 16.
So that's nothing.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 So he's three years older than me. When I was at Purdue, we went three days.
Jeez. Three days.
So we had individual, right,

Speaker 1 in uppers, right? We came back for offense, defense about an hour, hour and a half after that, and then we had lunch, nap, and came back for full scrimmage. Every day.
Every day.

Speaker 1 That sounds so annoying. Yeah.
I mean, that's the way it was.

Speaker 1 But while you were playing, you probably hated it, right?

Speaker 1 No, because I was doing what I love to do.

Speaker 4 I didn't know any better. I didn't know any better, right?

Speaker 1 I didn't know any better. There wasn't no talk of, oh, well.

Speaker 1 Indiana down the streets, you know, they're going, you know, one a day and they're in pads. It wasn't heard of, you know what I mean? When I was with Dungy, we had the pads on every day.

Speaker 1 Every day when I came in the league, you know, there was nothing, nothing was heard of like that.

Speaker 1 What was that transition like between Dungy and

Speaker 1 John Gruden? Because I can't think of two people that are less alike than those guys. Night and day.
Night and day.

Speaker 1 Was there like a transition where when Gruden comes in, you're like, holy shit, no cussing one day, you're cussing every day. And then everywhere is saying, fuck, man.
Well, you saw it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And hard knocks, right? Yeah. I mean, so.

Speaker 4 Dungy didn't have to say much. Dungy just.

Speaker 1 Dungy had to look

Speaker 1 the only time Dungy ever got fired up is when his own players fought on the practice field. Interesting.
And it's only happened probably, you know, less than a handful of times in

Speaker 1 my career that they fought and he'd kick them off the field and he got furious. Really?

Speaker 1 We actually had John Lynch on and he said that you were told that you two couldn't hit each other in practice because you hit each other harder than anyone's ever been hit.

Speaker 1 So that was with Herm Edwards. Okay.

Speaker 1 Excuse me. When Herm Edwards was the DB coach.
All right. So

Speaker 1 he, I guess, you know, after talking to John, that I was a clavicle breaker. So don't hit him.

Speaker 1 Oh, you guessed you were a clavicle breaker. You didn't know.

Speaker 1 It seems like were you walking around being like, damn, all these guys are going on IR after they hit me?

Speaker 1 No, but really, I mean, we were really probably, you know, less than two or three times really made contact, you know, in practice, you know, because obviously he's going to come in the box and he wants to pop people and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 And both of them them are crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, he told you, don't do that anymore. You guys don't hit each other anymore? No, Herm told him.
Yeah. Don't hit him.

Speaker 1 Oh, so it was for his protection. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The way he made it seem was like you guys were both not allowed to hit each other.

Speaker 1 You know, at the time he would come up to me and says, you know what, you can't come down in the box, blah, blah, blah, and do that.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I mean, after a while, you know, after my rookie year, you know, I had something to prove. You know, my rookery year, just like every other rookie when we're, you know,

Speaker 1 10, 12 years in in the league, we're like, hey, that dude trying to, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's settled down, young boy, right?

Speaker 1 But anyway,

Speaker 1 it was just something that just came about. And I guess those conversations between Herm Edwards and John.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Gonna put you guys both on the spot here.

Speaker 1 Tough decision for fullbacks. Cowboy collar or neck roll?

Speaker 1 Cowboy. Neck roll.
Oh, trouble in paradise. Damn.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 I should should have brought you a neck roll. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 A neck roll and a tuxedo would have been a decision. That is true.

Speaker 4 I got cowboy college coming for you guys.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So what was the decision making like when you were getting when you get assigned your shoulder pads?

Speaker 1 Mike, you in particular, you're like, let me get this big-ass fucking thing that covers up my entire helmet.

Speaker 1 It was just

Speaker 1 my

Speaker 1 outfit my whole life. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I had in high school. I actually had the horseshoe on.
You know what I mean? The actual horseshoe that

Speaker 1 flayed out and it had to be all taped up and and uh when it got all ripped up but um

Speaker 1 and then

Speaker 1 yeah i had a similar situation like i had in the pros in college and then it just evolved i don't know it just evolved you're just comfortable in it yeah and so you just never change it yeah yeah so we are in the times of the half jerseys too and stuff like that yeah so they have

Speaker 1 ezekiel elliott before ezeke yeah right right yeah um Lorenzo, I wanted to do a quick run through because you played for so many teams.

Speaker 1 Obviously, Mike Mike played just for the Bucs, but you played for so many teams. You had so many different coaches.

Speaker 1 So I wanted to list all the coaches and give me something about all these guys because there's football guys through and through on your coach list. So you start with Jim Mora.

Speaker 1 Can you also tell me, as a side, what was the locker room like after the famous diddly poo soundbite? Oh,

Speaker 4 Jim Moore was unbelievable. I remember

Speaker 4 he called me in, broke my ankles. Believe it or not, I was leading the league in Russian.
First two games.

Speaker 1 That was just two games, Mike.

Speaker 4 And averaging about 10 yards of tote. And I remember breaking the ankle.
And he's like, look, you know, you were good, but you came back the next year. You just got to concentrate being a fullback.

Speaker 4 You can make a good living doing this. You can play some years.

Speaker 1 Just let it go.

Speaker 4 So I remember sitting down with him and going over that. And then, shoot, two years later, we're in a team meeting.
And we just lost. And

Speaker 4 we were the aince. That's when we became the aince.
And I had Sam Mills, Ricky Jackson. So I got brought up baptism by fire.
Those guys would try to kill me at practice.

Speaker 4 Shoot, Ricky Jackson brought a knife one day. I was scared of him, called him dad.
He called my mom to come stay with me for two weeks.

Speaker 4 But Jim Moore,

Speaker 4 we're in a freaking team meeting Monday after the game, and he gets up, stands up, and he said, guys,

Speaker 4 I'm not having fun.

Speaker 1 I'm done. Walks out of the room.

Speaker 4 I was there when Jim Moore quit. walked out of the room, just had a breakdown, and just quit.

Speaker 4 Think about 53 other guys in a room, and your head coach comes up on a Monday in the whole team meeting, talks for a bit,

Speaker 1 and walks, and exits stage left, and walks out. Damn.
What happened?

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 that's a cliffhanger.

Speaker 1 That's a tease. Yeah.
And I can't tell you. Damn.

Speaker 1 All right, so then Parcells in New York.

Speaker 4 Hucking and bucking.

Speaker 1 Parcels, that's his fit. Hucking and bucking.
Hey, Neil. Hey, Neil.

Speaker 4 Hey, Lorenzo. Hey, come on.
And the guys would fight at practice. Yeah, you guys stop fighting.
One of you's scared, another one's glad of it. I mean, love built ourselves.

Speaker 1 Okay, we talked about Dungie. You had Jeff Fisher in Nashville.
Hey, man, how are you guys doing? You know what? We can get this together.

Speaker 4 Hey, Eddie, we're going to run the ball. Hey, Steve, you got it.
Hey, guys, we got this.

Speaker 1 You know, Jeff, soft spoken, Jeff Fisher. You know, smooth.
Right, right. Dick LeBeau in Cincinnati.
I love Dick. All-time football guy.
Clip that, Hank. Yeah.
Oh, whoops.

Speaker 1 I mean, Dick LeBeau, man. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you got that.

Speaker 1 That's positive. We got this.
We're good, dude.

Speaker 1 You're good.

Speaker 1 We actually did this. He's like, I love this.
We just got him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. We're a sex positive podcast.
It's fine. He would come in.
Love his love.

Speaker 4 He would come in camp and he would come in a Superman outfit and a speed-off.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's why I love Dick.

Speaker 4 He just figured, I mean, just to get guys going, he was one of the people.

Speaker 1 How old is Dick getting? I feel like Dick LeBeau has always been 90 years old.

Speaker 4 He's 70-some years old, and he's still living to get the defense. He was

Speaker 1 get up. I mean, think about it.
Yeah, and then Marty Schottenheimer laughs at the Chargers.

Speaker 1 Guys, we got it. I mean, he would cry more than

Speaker 1 that's a football guy move.

Speaker 1 As long as you, like, Dick Vermill's the same way. Oh, him and Dick Vermill.
I don't know who cried more.

Speaker 4 The team would start crying. We didn't know what he was crying about.
Marty cried so much, we know he was start crying.

Speaker 1 But he's crying about football. So then it works.

Speaker 4 Love Marty Schottheimer. The Chargers should have never got rid of him.
Marty Schottheimer really, really built that place.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he got a bad deal in San Diego and a bad deal in D.C., too, when he took them back from, I think they were 0-5 and they finished the season 8-3 on a tear.

Speaker 1 And then he goes out to San Diego and they fired him when he went, what? 14-2? 14-2. 14-2, they fired him.

Speaker 4 It was nuts. He broke up a dynasty.

Speaker 1 What was it? Well, could have been a good half-year team.

Speaker 1 What was it about those teams, though, not being able to get over the humps? Because those Chargers teams were fantastic and just

Speaker 1 couldn't finish the deal.

Speaker 4 We just beat

Speaker 4 the team that we just knew was just us. We just beat friggin' the Colts.
They were undefeated 13-0. We go in there, beat them.
We have a buy. We're going to play the Patriots.
Patriots, we have beat.

Speaker 1 Go look at the tape.

Speaker 4 LT has Door near 100 yards, carries the ball 15, 12 times in the first half, touches it four in the second. We're winning that game.
Ron McCree catches an interception with four minutes left.

Speaker 4 He tries to run it back. We're winning.
Just fall down.

Speaker 4 And he tries to run it back, and he fumbles it back

Speaker 4 and gave them the ball back, and we we lose that game. That year was just, we were sick.
We were sick. That's a year that, and then the Colts ended up winning the Super Bowl.
We had their number.

Speaker 4 That's one. The following year, we go back to the FC Championship.
I'm just coming off. I broke my leg.
We didn't play in that game. LT was coming off a knee injury.
Michael Turner. So we were just

Speaker 1 Phil Rivers had his ACL.

Speaker 1 He played with an ACL.

Speaker 4 Played with it.

Speaker 1 You're on it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was crazy.

Speaker 4 2005, 2006. So we had those years, it was just unfortunate.
The football gods just didn't like us.

Speaker 1 us. So in that same backfield, it was you, Michael Turner,

Speaker 1 LT, and Darren Sprawls. Darren Sprawls.
That's crazy. Crazy.

Speaker 1 There was also, I saw something online a couple of weeks ago that was basically like the greatest team to never make the playoffs. And it was, I think, maybe the 2004 charges.

Speaker 1 It was later. It was like 2011.
Oh, okay. By far the best offense and the best offense.
But you guys were awesome in those early ot years. Oh, man.
Did you ever hear? Who's your quarterback? Phillip.

Speaker 1 And Breezy.

Speaker 4 Breezy's. Yeah.
Breezy.

Speaker 1 Is that the year he got hurt?

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.
One year he got hurt, and then Philip inserted Philip.

Speaker 1 You ever hear Philip Rivers cuss?

Speaker 4 Never.

Speaker 4 Philip does not cuss. Gosh done it.
Smack. I mean, he's just always just a good old country boy.

Speaker 1 Gracious to Pete is what I hear. Yeah, he cuts a lot of.

Speaker 4 He does not cuss. The guy is crazy.
All he is is a baby making machine. He's on number nine.
I just saw him last week.

Speaker 4 I'm like, you're going to have 10. He said, I'm thinking about it.
I said, give mama.

Speaker 1 Let her come up for air every now and then, Philip.

Speaker 1 What's the huddle like when you're down in the fourth quarter with Phil Rivers?

Speaker 4 He just starts screaming. God, just get lined up.

Speaker 4 he's so animated. Sometimes he sometimes he seems like he's going to pass out because he's just going.
He's so animated and he wants to, you know, wants to win. And he's just a gunslinger, man.

Speaker 4 He's, he's a gunslinger. He has so much heart, posazz.
And I was lucky to play with both of them, him and Breeze, you know, a.k.a. Breezes.

Speaker 4 I remember Drew, Drew was in the huddle when we were playing the Chicago Bears, and Marty said, hey, we got going to give you one more series. And I got the call from AJ.

Speaker 4 They're going to go with the young guy. And I was with Breeze.
I said, man, just freaking leave.

Speaker 4 I said, quit looking over your shoulders and freaking freaking go and do what we know you can do guys believe you let's go and he goes out and freaking come back we beat chicago he holds it down the starter that whole time and at that moment you don't think anything and then you know he comes out with the book and he mentions that particular that particular moment you just never know yeah that anything you say sometimes guys take take notice that's awesome

Speaker 1 Was there a change that you had to make in your game depending on who you were blocking for, the different styles of running back? Because you guys blocked for some of the great ones.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 guys like Corey Dillon, you need to hurry up and make the block right away and try to go and just get them and just move them right away because he wants to get it.

Speaker 4 Corey Dillon, freaking or not, he'll run into you. Eddie George, you wanted to make sure too.
Ladanian, you just got in front of him. Hell, you could fall down

Speaker 4 when he broke the record. Hell was running 70 toss.

Speaker 4 I fall down. Safety's right there.
He makes him miss, still gets an end zone, makes me look good.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 certain guys just had such a good thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a different running back. There's a slow-to-go guy, and and there's a guy that's going to hit the hole.
You know what I mean? So you got to get in the hole.

Speaker 1 Mike, did you have a strategy to make sure that work done got tackled inside the two so that you could get his touchdown? I'm the vulture.

Speaker 1 The touchdown vulture. Yeah, you're lucky that fantasy football wasn't that big back then because people would have hated it.
You would have been public in your number one.

Speaker 1 You had a fancy take on that? No way to say. Look it up.
I'm a touchdown vulture. Yeah.
Work was sitting there talking about that.

Speaker 1 Yes. You were.
You're the original vulture, for sure.

Speaker 1 I had a question for you, Mike.

Speaker 1 Today's NFL, it's always interesting to see guys are now asking to be traded, saying they want new deals.

Speaker 1 You had famously Warren Sapp in 2003, who always would say, if anyone needs a defensive lineman, come call me. And essentially, like looking for a new deal.

Speaker 1 What does that do to a locker room when that happens? Well, it wasn't that.

Speaker 1 If that happened, I never heard of it. You know what I mean? At the time, it wasn't like publicized.
There was no social media going all over.

Speaker 1 People weren't tweeting it and doing what they do now and talking, you know, behind their phones and their social media as the players do now.

Speaker 1 It's more say, hey, going up to the coach

Speaker 1 and talking about it. But, you know, I really never experienced that too much.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Because, again, we kept our group of core, you know, for, geez, eight, ten years, you know what I mean? Until they did,

Speaker 1 you know, didn't sign up Lynch because he had a neck situation and then he went and played on for Denver and the Patriots for, what, four or five more years and killed it, right?

Speaker 1 And then he had SAP take off.

Speaker 1 But the main guys pretty much stayed there, you know, pretty much the whole time. So it wasn't really ever a distraction in our locker room because we controlled our locker room so well.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? And it was more hard, it was more, and

Speaker 1 Lo O'Neill knows,

Speaker 1 it was harder for a player to come in and play our type of football and be a part of our internal, you know, team than it was for, you know, for us to go out. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 The locker room was just freaking unbelievable. We solid, if you talk about it, and we controlled it.
Coaches didn't have to get involved.

Speaker 1 We had our private meetings when we didn't do things the way it should have been done.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Ronde was part of that core two group, too. You know what I mean? And some other guys.
And like I said,

Speaker 1 in our day with the Bucs, everybody knew the role and everybody took it very serious.

Speaker 1 What about you, Lokes? You were in so many different. Yeah, I was going to say, I was going to ask that.
I probably had a different perspective.

Speaker 4 It did definitely a different perspective.

Speaker 4 Shoot, where do you start? I mean, I was with the Saints, and it was totally different. I mean, I had guys that, you know, I came in in 93 and Frank Warren's outside smoking.
It's 120 degrees.

Speaker 4 I'm like, hey, we got practice an hour. Don't worry.
Shut up, Rook. Get out of here.
I mean, these guys, the Dome Patrol, it was just a different era of football. I mean, these guys were just...

Speaker 4 The weights, they didn't care about weights. They just go out and just go dominate.
And I'm like, wow, you guys don't lift. And it's just, it was totally a different era.

Speaker 4 And then from Cincinnati that, you know, Dick was Dick LeBo, great coach. But, you know, you had guys that didn't want to win, didn't care anything about winning, didn't care anything about it.

Speaker 4 It's just their stats and getting paid. You know, San Diego was a great place where Marty had the culture.

Speaker 4 Tennessee was great with Jeff Fisher, and guys kind of policed themselves, but seen so many different personalities.

Speaker 4 And you see, you know, when North came to San Diego, you knew that he wasn't a leader necessarily a man, phenomenal offensive coordinator, but guys knew that they could do whatever.

Speaker 4 He wasn't going to say anything, and you start to see the team just kind of start to dwindle because of the fact he just put it on the players. And certain teams and certain guys, especially

Speaker 4 in certain areas, you can't do that because men need to have discipline. They need to have structure in their lives.

Speaker 1 How quickly into a game would you know that you were about to take somebody's soul? Like that they didn't want to hit you anymore?

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 I'm thinking back on. I'm thinking

Speaker 1 on some individual games.

Speaker 1 You know, it's just,

Speaker 1 especially early in my career, we had,

Speaker 1 we needed the running game, game, right? We had the defense, and we're going to win either six to three or nine to six or whatever, because we had the defense, and we really didn't have

Speaker 1 both sides of the attack. We didn't have the passing, but when we played 10 football, yeah, no question.
And we needed to pound the ball, especially, you know,

Speaker 1 he was talking about the Minnesota game in 1998, right? And they're coming in 7-0 and we're 3-4, and they're coming our house. And, you know, they're on all high, and we need it was a must-win for us.

Speaker 1 And it was whoever's going to punt was going to lose. But, you know, we were just pounding the ball, right? Pounding it.
And they did not want us.

Speaker 1 They knew we were running a 96-power row down their throat, and we were going to do it each and every time, right? And again, you feel it. You feel that energy.

Speaker 1 You feel that, you know, they don't want it, and they're going to step back. You know, when Lowe comes and blocks them, and I'm coming in the hole, or vice versa, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 You can...

Speaker 1 No question, you can feel that sensation

Speaker 1 of what they're going to, you know, how they're feeling right now.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 4 they wouldn't want to tackle him. We're playing that game, and I was going downhill and Rudd.
Rudd start jumping out of the way.

Speaker 4 So you know you're getting ready to block him, and it's just you and that guy in the hole. You can see the whites of his eyes and just opens up and you're like, here we go.

Speaker 4 And all of a sudden he'll fall down or he'll try to take an angle, try to slip you and try to get by. You're like, all right.
They don't want anymore.

Speaker 4 And you see guys trying to attack him, jump on his back or jump to the side, hit him.

Speaker 4 So you start to see the way that they try to take you on.

Speaker 1 You just don't see the physical aspect of the game anymore. You know what I I mean?

Speaker 1 You don't see that aspect of coming straight downhill. You know, we're going to run between the tackles and here we come.
Stop us. You know what I mean? And stop us.

Speaker 1 And we're going to pose our will on you.

Speaker 1 You just don't see it anymore. It's more trickery-derky-doc,

Speaker 1 what trick plays you're going to do and how are we going to do it and stuff like that. And that's more you see nowadays.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I'd have to imagine the famous Warren Sapp versus Mike Sherman when he said put a jersey on. Did you guys just repeat that all the time in the locker room?

Speaker 1 Because it's one of my favorite lines of all time. Really? And it wasn't pre-social media, so it didn't go like viral the same way.

Speaker 1 But I remember watching that game and Warren Sapp just yelling at him, put a jersey on, put a jersey on, because he was mad about a dirty hit. Did that? Yeah, when he

Speaker 1 with Chad Clifton. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he moved him off.

Speaker 1 On the interception running back. Yes,

Speaker 1 put a jersey on.

Speaker 1 Pretty good. Yeah,

Speaker 1 he did the whole crackback type of thing. Yeah, Mike Sherman came up to him after that.
I think Shelton Corals is taking it back to the house.

Speaker 1 And Mike Sherman came up to him after in the post-game and was yelling at him saying it was dirty.

Speaker 1 And Sap was just saying, put a jersey on, put a jersey on.

Speaker 1 I fucking love to put a jersey on. It's just fun.
You just tell people, like, hey, put a jersey on. Put a jersey on, bro.
No, I don't think there's any repeat. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Maybe the defensive locker. The defensive guys really controlled the locker.
You know what I mean? And when it came to the clowning around and

Speaker 1 all the talk, you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, you could hear them coming from a mile down the hallway, you know what I mean? And just on each other.

Speaker 1 I mean, they would get so freaking personal on each other, and it would start some wars. I'm telling you that right now.
I'd imagine with Warren's sap, he has that backed up people.

Speaker 1 You turn in, he'll get you.

Speaker 1 But, you know, again, but again, Warren's the type of guy that, you know, he's in your corner, though. I mean, he's going to come to battle with you.
You know what I mean? I mean, don't get me wrong,

Speaker 1 he's going to stir the pot, but again,

Speaker 1 he's going to be right next to you in that battle, on that field.

Speaker 1 If there's one guy playing the game right now that you look at and you say, this guy could have been a fullback in the mid to late 90s, early 2000s, back when you guys were running people over, who is it?

Speaker 1 Who's that guy right now? You know, truthfully.

Speaker 1 Say nobody. Please say nobody.
No, no, no, no. I don't watch the game enough.

Speaker 1 I really don't. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I love watching Red Zone going back and forth and doing that, or I'll be at the Bucs games and stuff like that. But

Speaker 1 I'm like so into my high school football, you know what I mean? I'm like so crazy about it and trying to get my own kids prepared and stuff like that. I'm not really a guy that who got stats.

Speaker 1 I don't do fantasy football. I don't do any of that stuff.
You know, I'm just all about, you know,

Speaker 1 in my

Speaker 1 fantasy, yeah. For nerds.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, I agree. But I just don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I just don't know all the players in today's game.

Speaker 1 Like we used to know back in the day. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It seems like everybody's moving, shaking, leaving, coming, going, and everything like that. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know if you know.

Speaker 1 Is there a fullback that jumps out to you right now?

Speaker 4 I think you got to look at Cal Hushak. They have him cutting defensive linemen.
He's running on, he's blocking safeties. He's catching the ball.
He'll do bend back plays. They'll do power.

Speaker 4 They line him up.

Speaker 1 Is he more of an H-back, though?

Speaker 4 You know what?

Speaker 1 No, because actually,

Speaker 4 if you can, watch the last game against the Steelers. He was the point of attack.
They would do the rap play where he's lined up on a defensive end.

Speaker 4 They would wham where he's whamming the three technique.

Speaker 4 He's playing full back, getting downhill. First play of the game, he comes at the inside linebacker and drives him five yards down the foot and pancakes him.

Speaker 4 So I like what he's doing.

Speaker 4 There's another guy on the Niners that I love, Kwan Alexander. Watch the way that he plays.
He was in Tampa.

Speaker 4 This backer, he'll hit you. He's not afraid.
He loves contacts. There are some guys that still hit him.

Speaker 1 You're talking on the other side of the ball.

Speaker 1 I know about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 4 he'll get after it. So there are some guys out there that love contact, that aren't afraid to contact, that we still want to hit guys.
But if he was talking about fullbacks,

Speaker 4 I just love what Houston brings to the game.

Speaker 1 So he's leading the league right now in fullback assists. It's a stat that we came up with, which you guys didn't have back when you played.

Speaker 1 I'd love to hear about this one. I'd love to tell you about it.

Speaker 1 So we figured that there's all these stats out here for receivers, for running backs, quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 For a fullback, you don't really have anything that shows up at the end of the day if you did a good job, if you helped out on a touchdown.

Speaker 1 So we came up with a stat inside the five-yard line, a rush that's five yards or shorter. If there's a fullback that's in the backfield that makes a block on a rushing touchdown, they get an assist.

Speaker 1 So country, can you go back assist? Can you go on it in my 12 years and go back to my. Yeah, we'll do it.

Speaker 1 We'll have our stats department get on it.

Speaker 1 Because I'd actually like to know who the all-time leader in fullback assists is.

Speaker 1 I know last year it was Roosevelt Knicks during the regular season for Pittsburgh, but then Devlin had like seven in the playoffs. So if you don't count the playoffs, it was Knicks.

Speaker 1 If you count the playoffs, it was definitely Devlin. But right now, Juice Check has, I think, four.

Speaker 1 Can you get us to film?

Speaker 1 Yeah. How do you patent? Yes, right now, considered patent.
Can you get us to film?

Speaker 1 That's the problem, is we don't have all the Bucs films. The NFL films.

Speaker 1 The archives. You get it for us? Yeah, no problem.
We should have Stephen Chee. Yeah, we absolutely

Speaker 1 have people. Yeah, we have a Bucs guy.
We have a super fan who he breaks down film for the Bucs by himself. Like, he's just, he's a weirdo.
But, yeah, he will watch every play.

Speaker 4 He is. I mean, he's

Speaker 1 been doing it as a hobby too. Like, he has like 5,000 followers.
I mean, I'd like to know between the two of you who had the. I think it might be low.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no, question, because I was dotting on the bottom. You were scoring.
Yeah, yeah. You were scoring.
Like I said,

Speaker 1 he was pretty cool. Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 He's crazy. He was crazy.
He was a rhino package.

Speaker 1 I was following him. There's no question about it.

Speaker 1 I just had an idea to help you guys get in the Hall of Fame. I like the idea of the fullback position, but that's the whole position.

Speaker 1 So the key to winning over the hearts and minds of sports writers is to somehow get Bruce Springsteen involved because they all fucking love Bruce Springsteen.

Speaker 1 If we could get Bruce to write a song about a fullback. That'd be awesome.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's up at Bruce's alley. He writes something about factory workers.
Can you get John King Speeddo? Yeah, don't you have me speed up? Yeah, we could, I'm sure we know somebody.

Speaker 1 Peter King knows Bruce. Yeah, yeah.
He's a good friend of ours. For sure.

Speaker 1 Or I can just, yeah, I can write the song and then send it it to Bruce and ask him to record it. Yeah, just please

Speaker 1 give us a couple of things. You know, five cents.

Speaker 1 It'll be called Low Man Wins. That's yeah.

Speaker 1 How about that? Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 Low Man Wins. Are you guys now going to be part of our panel for our yearly trophy? Because

Speaker 1 you snubbed us last year. We gave out the Low Man trophy to the best fullback in college.
Both of you guys. The trophy is just a tire.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a tire with a can

Speaker 1 with a beer can

Speaker 1 nailed into it. And I think PFT reached out to you, Low, last year to be on the panel, and you said no.
Fun. No, no, no, no.
Maybe I'm serious. Maybe I may.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure I tweeted at you at some point. Mike, you don't have social media.

Speaker 1 It goes back to that fun comment. Let's get it.

Speaker 1 So you'll be part of the voters.

Speaker 4 We would absolutely love to. You know what? The thing about it is? We'll get all, we, Mike and I, we'll get on all the full, we'll get you guys a bunch of fullbacks to vote for.

Speaker 1 Yeah, committee sessions. All right, so right now

Speaker 1 he's got, we have actually, I think what he said, I think when Low said that, he's like, we got it. He's going to actually like,

Speaker 1 we're in that. You're going to kidnap the fullbacks and bring them to us.
Yeah, pick them up. He's like, we'll get to the fullbacks.

Speaker 1 He's going to show up with just a fucking truck full of full calls. No, just me and Mike.
Just call me and Mike.

Speaker 1 I won't see your tweet. Oh, yeah, just call me.

Speaker 1 You're going to pick up a greased up John Coon and drop him off at our doorstep.

Speaker 1 You're in. So we've got it.
Right now we've got you two.

Speaker 1 Anthony Sherman, John Kuhn.

Speaker 1 Who else am I missing out on? A lot of people. Danny Vitale.
Danny Vitaly.

Speaker 1 Tom Fernelli, a.k.a. Hank.

Speaker 1 Hey, you will have a 420.

Speaker 1 I want it hung up right up there.

Speaker 1 I want it up on that top show.

Speaker 1 There it is. We got your jersey.
We got Sherman. You need a real jersey.
You need all of them. And then that's my...
That's a reply. That's my jersey because I'm a fullback and

Speaker 1 I'll be. A lot of people compare me to you guys.
All of them. All right, I have one soccer league.
What is it? No, it's rugby. So I play rugby.

Speaker 1 I used to play fullback, not to brag, but a lot of people said that I

Speaker 1 played like Michael. Are you in the scrum and stuff like that?

Speaker 1 I'm around the scrum. I'm scrum adjacent.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm nearby. Are you the guy that they toss the ball to the bottom? I'm the guy that they point at and then run over.

Speaker 1 They're like, that's my bitch. And then, yeah, then I wind up on my back.
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Speaker 1 How many times do you guys, who's going to win this bench off? Oh, not me.

Speaker 1 Come on.

Speaker 1 It's only 135. 135? 135, yeah.

Speaker 4 Who's

Speaker 1 who's going to, what numbers are we putting up? What do we think? What's a fair number? We're not going to try to get injured, but what do we think we're going to do? I'm going to get injured.

Speaker 1 I'm an IR. Oh, come on.
You got a shoulder labrum? I do. I do have a couple bulging discs in my neck that's making my dough.

Speaker 4 Oh, God, don't you got to run it.

Speaker 1 I got some nerve damage going into my shoulder.

Speaker 1 I'm on it. I'm on it.
Okay. I'm on it.
Big cat.

Speaker 1 I'm nerve damage. Damn, that sounds so

Speaker 1 my toes. Me and big cat.
All right. Me and big cat.
Yeah, okay. My arms are too long.

Speaker 1 That's my problem. Mike is still pissed off about the Purdue comment.
Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 that was a funny joke, but you had such little fun that you didn't even understand the joke.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you in 75. All right.
I have a long-going. I went to the University of Wisconsin, so I have a long-going thing with Purdue, and people get very mad about that, but it's a funny thing.

Speaker 1 So you went like a decade after me, right? Yeah, 2003 to 2007. Okay, yeah.
Yeah. So when Purdue, well, no, you guys never have been really good.

Speaker 1 I had 205 yards against Washington. Ooh, Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 That was a pretty good day.

Speaker 1 I take that.

Speaker 1 207? What year was that? 205.

Speaker 1 94.

Speaker 1 That was 95, excuse me, 94. Okay, yeah, yeah.
95. That's pretty sick.
That is Big Ten football through and through. No, it is.
There's nothing better than Big Ten football. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's all you should do in Big Ten. Mike Lost and Neil Armstrong.
That's all you think about when you think about Purdue, right? Yes. You got Drew.
Oh, yeah, Drew Brees. That's true.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 Robbie Hummel. How about a bunch of people? How about Rod Woodson? Rod Woodson.
Rod Woodson. Yeah.
Then a bunch of

Speaker 1 guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got Junior coming up.

Speaker 1 Is it Lorenzo Neal Jr? Yeah. Fuck yes.
What position is that?

Speaker 1 Thank God you did that because Lorenzo's maybe the coolest name of all time. I know he's like,

Speaker 1 he was in a pre draft, I would say, preseason, pre-draft, 15. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. I love it.

Speaker 1 The world needs another Lorenzo Neil. I mean, it is the coolest thing.
Lorenzo is bad. That's O'Neill.

Speaker 1 You don't understand. It is the coolest thing having kids succeed after you.
And it's the most nerve-wracking thing, though. I'm a father, so yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 He's only three months old. I got a dog.
senior kid. Thank you, bro.
I got a dog.

Speaker 1 When you see your kid,

Speaker 1 he does such great things. I'm getting goosebumps on it right now.
Yeah, me too. Because you have no control, but

Speaker 1 you're scared shitless. I mean, you really are.
My kid puked on me the other day.

Speaker 1 It was fucking awesome, dude.

Speaker 1 It's like, dude, good job. Son, yeah, yeah.
Good job. You puked.

Speaker 1 I puked back on him, yeah. No, it was like a father-son body.
Did you rally? You know, I puked back to him. Went all over to the milk.
Yeah, but he's like, dude,

Speaker 1 bro. Bro, rally.
Got a rally, bro. All right, let's do this bench press thing.

Speaker 1 Thank you, guys. This This has been so awesome.
Cool back Friday. Yeah.
And you're on the committee now, and we're going to get you in the Hall of Fame. I'm excited about it.

Speaker 1 I'm excited about the committee, me and you.

Speaker 1 You're up first. On bench? Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Jevin Sneed, the former quarterback, he played at University of Texas. He was an Austin guy for a while.

Speaker 1 He was a great college quarterback. He passed away last weekend.
Unfortunately,

Speaker 1 he was also a listener part of my take. And one of his friends hit me up and let me know about this.
And they have a GoFundMe going.

Speaker 1 So, Jevin dealt with some concussion issues throughout his career, and his family is putting together a fund that is they're going to donate a lot of money to CTE Research, and they're also going to buy really safe helmets for his high school football team that he played on.

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Okay, let's get to some segments. First up, we have

Speaker 1 Fire Fest of the Week.

Speaker 1 Yas. Yas.
Hank, your Fire Fest of the Week. My Fire Fest of the Week is this Grape Ape that Stu Feiner gave me.
Came for Barcelona Shakespeare. Exactly.
What is Grape Ape?

Speaker 1 He gave me a slice of some grape ape pizza. Hot leaf.
Ho. Oh, tea.
And it was some absolute fire, and I had myself a nice little fire fest, courtesy of Stu. Wait, so Firefest was good?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he gave me some fire. This is like the CFT picked the Falcon.
The Vice Peace is done. He gave me some Firebud and the Vita Fest.
I had a Fire Fest.

Speaker 1 Oh, so you're high right now? No.

Speaker 1 No, this was

Speaker 1 after hours. Hank, do we have to start giving you sobriety tests? I didn't know we had Chris Long as our fucking producer.
Yeah, it's disgusting, Hank. They're kids that listen to the show.

Speaker 1 You're probably giving him a contact high-ranking.

Speaker 1 Only at night. Your dad listens to this show.
Yeah. We're taping it at night, Hank.
Does Mr. Lockwood know about the purple Kush? Oh, he knows.
Actually,

Speaker 1 if everybody got down in the grave tape, then

Speaker 1 Taco Bell would see a significant uptick in sales. True.
True. Not that we're condoning it.
No, we're not. All right, PFT goes.
Wildfire Fest of the Week is. Weeds legal.
Who the fuck is it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, not on a federal level. Yeah, whatever.
I can still turn you in. Those laws.
I'll go Takashi 6ix9ine on your ass so fast.

Speaker 1 So MyFire Fest is the store for guys 5'10 and under. That's actually the name of the store is for men 5'10 and under.
It's opening this weekend, and they fucking had the nerve

Speaker 1 to send me a DM inviting me to the grand opening

Speaker 1 to help promote their fucking store. Good.
You should go. No.
I thought it was going to be that the NBA is making everyone with a list they're really

Speaker 1 to them right now. There's that.
And you can't be in the NBA now and lie that you're 5'10 or whatever you say to me. I'm calling for a man cottage.
5'5'8.

Speaker 1 Not a boycott, a man cotton of the 5'10 and under store.

Speaker 1 Don't you dare promote that opening of that store. Well, number one, number one,

Speaker 1 PFT's, the best part is PFT is getting paid on the side now to be under 5'10. This is all a ruse.
Well, I know I'm under 5. It's just a very good thing.
Very sent a DM.

Speaker 1 It's a very mad about it, but you can check it out at these locations. No, don't.
Don't. Don't do it.
First of all, it's insulting that they called it 5'10 and under.

Speaker 1 Like 5'10, you're basically a giant at that point. In many countries, you are a giant if you're 5'10.
It's just, it seems like a very arbitrary number.

Speaker 1 And secondly, I prefer my size stores to indicate whether or not it's meant for a casual male. I don't know if the store is for a casual male.
It was.

Speaker 1 Casual male XL tells you that you can be casual in a man and shop there. I don't want this store.

Speaker 1 Is it formal? Is it for formal boys? I don't know. I don't want to bash one of your advertisers, PFT, but

Speaker 1 5'10 and under is kind of stupid from them because 5'10 is the height that every guy who's lying about their height, who's 5'7, 5'8, 5'9, says they are. I'm 5'10 and a half.

Speaker 1 So you look at that and you're like, I'm not that. They should have been like 5'8, and they would have gotten all the honest short guys like yourself to go in.
You don't want those customers.

Speaker 1 We will steal from you. Bagel boss greets you.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Navy's passing. This is bullshit.
Navy's passing the ball. Here's the other thing about that store is they should, it's embarrassing to be walking into that store.

Speaker 1 They should label it something that's less embarrassing that you would not be like a snuff film store. They should also.

Speaker 1 I would much rather be caught on camera walking into a store that sells exclusively stepmother porn than going into a store that says 5'10 and under. The door also has to be 5'10.

Speaker 1 Exactly. So, yeah, it bumps everywhere.
And it's got razors on it, so it cuts you. And then it's a bunch of dudes walking in with their tippy toes trying to hit their head and be like, oh, shit.

Speaker 1 If you try to steal Valor, you get sliced open. It would be be so cute too because it should be 5'10 Hank and then we should put like a little hoop there so that they can finally dunk.

Speaker 1 And they're just like, ooh. I did dunk.
I dunked. I did dunk.
Okay, next up we have.

Speaker 1 Oh, my Firefest.

Speaker 1 My bad. My bad.
My bad. No name, no Python.

Speaker 1 It's a continuation of my Firefest last week.

Speaker 1 I stole something from Starbucks. I stole Frappuccino, and I didn't get the satisfaction that I thought I would get.
How did you do it? I did the mobile order steal.

Speaker 1 I walked in and I just took the Frappuccino that that looked like it had the most melted whipped cream. Yeah.
And I took it. Well, what's nice about it? I tried it and I was like, you know what?

Speaker 1 This didn't give me the thrill I wanted, so it kind of sucks because I thought stealing from the mobile order section would be awesome. It wasn't.
It wasn't. You did steal from the man, which is nice.

Speaker 1 You stole from Howard Schultz. Congratulations on that.
Got him.

Speaker 1 Also, if you place your order for just like an iced coffee black, then the calories that you stole don't count because you ordered an iced coffee. You didn't order the Frappuccino, so good for you.

Speaker 1 No, I I ordered an iced coffee. I picked up an iced coffee and a Frappuccino.
Oh, yeah, that doesn't count either. You didn't pay for it.
So I paid for half of my order. Yeah, good for you.

Speaker 1 And I stole the other half. Yeah.
So that was fine. I think that's fine.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They wanted to do it. I was just built into these products for that reason.
I wanted to do it just to feel like I was alive. And

Speaker 1 the one I stole.

Speaker 1 The whipped cream was so melted that there's no chance anyone was picking that up. It had been there for at least 20 minutes.

Speaker 1 So I was doing them a service so that they didn't have the confusion like, is this your drink? Is this your drink? Is this your drink?

Speaker 1 Also, having a dilapidated looking product just sitting out there is not good for business for starbucks right so like people walk in you're like is that what i'm gonna be getting right it's like when i was a kid my dad when he'd take me to the grocery store sometimes when he wasn't buying me corn flakes he would take me to the cookie aisle you know like the the open bins of cookies that you could take them out with like uh like a spore or uh what are those called the

Speaker 1 the pincers yep so there'd be fresh baked cookies at the bakery yep right and he would say if there's a broken cookie you can take it for free because you they can't sell it that's a rule rule.

Speaker 1 And so I would take a cookie, and then sometimes I'd go and I'd start breaking them myself because there were no broken cookies. And then that was quite a thrill.

Speaker 1 This was, I would love to do a podcast with your dad just about like corn going to the grocery store. Yeah, he's a thrifty guy.
Do like

Speaker 1 supermarket sweepstakes with him. Yeah, he would recreate it.

Speaker 1 This was the we all broke the law at Firefest. Hank did weed.
I stole a drink. PFT lied about his height legally.

Speaker 1 This is a big time.

Speaker 1 But if I did that on Tinder, it would be

Speaker 1 all a criminal. It's a criminal organization.
Guess who's back? The Bad Boys a Podcast. Bad boys, bad boys.

Speaker 1 All right, let's do a couple more segments. Doug Gottlieb.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Doug Gottlieb probably took his pants off when I started explaining what I did at Starbucks.

Speaker 1 State Classy, D.C.

Speaker 1 Washington, D.C., that is, because Bryce Harper got heckled and his kid got heckled. So they heckled Crew.
Who would ever heckle Bryce Harper's kid with the weird name? Damn.

Speaker 1 We would never do such a thing.

Speaker 1 Crew's a great name. My favorite.
No, it's not. Okay, my favorite quote from it was his wife was like,

Speaker 1 she said, she tweeted, when you bring his son or family into it, yes, you're crossing a line.

Speaker 1 Stick to your overused, overrated, and Harper sucks chance if you're really that loser that goes to a game to heckle someone. Philly fans might boo him, but they don't bring his four-week son into it.

Speaker 1 You sure about that? You got another 12 years? I think you're kind of putting out. You can't challenge Philly like that.
Literally, you're like, what?

Speaker 1 Yeah, fuck,

Speaker 1 I'll boo your fucking infant. Yeah, we'll say Crew sucks.
Yeah, that little shithead kid.

Speaker 1 Deremy, Deremy, I'll say something about him.

Speaker 1 I think it's kind of

Speaker 1 a bad sports town thing for Washington, D.C. Yeah.
Because when you read the update to it, it wasn't a D.C. sports fan that did it.
It was a Boston sports fan that was on the road in D.C.

Speaker 1 that booed him and said this stuff about his kid and then apologized publicly for it. So Washington sports fans are on the hot seat for not having the balls to go after his kid.
Got it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I mean, as a great sports town with Capitals, the Mystics, the Nats, Natitude is back.

Speaker 1 We demand a lot from our professional teams in Washington, D.C. Big time Natitude coming up.
I also have a quick way to stay relevant baseball. Did you see this?

Speaker 1 Everyone's mad about Mike Miner getting his 200th strikeout. So Mike Miner, who was a starting pitcher, got injured for a few years, struggled back.
He, in the ninth inning of his last start today,

Speaker 1 or appearance, he threw the ball, pop-up, told his first baseman, drop the pop-up so he can strike the guy out. It was a foul ball.
He dropped the ball on purpose. It's a strahan situation.

Speaker 1 Struck the guy out, and people,

Speaker 1 the old crotchety baseball guys, are pissed. Yeah, Peter Gammon's just like exploded

Speaker 1 spontaneously. There are people with nuts and gray hair everywhere.
Bush League, embarrassing. Who the fuck cares? It's the 200 strikeout.

Speaker 1 It's a personal milestone for the guy who struggled his way back. And then he still struck him out.
Like, he still had to strike him out.

Speaker 1 If baseball writers were in charge of high school football, they would get so pissed off when they let the equipment manager that might have a disability score a touchdown in the last game of the season.

Speaker 1 They would flip the fuck out about that. Speaking of that, good segue.
Larry likes the Chiefs. Oh, Chiefs.
Larry likes the Chiefs. Nice.
That was during our ad. We're still in the ad.

Speaker 1 We've all been duped. This has been a huge ad for my 5'9 and underscore.
Yes, speaking of high school football, we have a quick saber metrics for Antonio Brown, who Antonio Brown has gone crazy.

Speaker 1 Again, stop me if you heard this. He basically, he quit the NFL last week, and then this week has, or sorry, today has decided the league needs him.
And he said, the game needs me.

Speaker 1 I'm like test dancers. I don't understand that.
He said, no more Nikes. Then he said, next week, I'm going to practice at every high school one day of week, starting in Miami, send school, and Fonel.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the Mark Sanchez training plan. I looked it up.
37,000 high schools in America.

Speaker 1 I think Antonio Brown can manage to get kicked out of and alienate every single one of those 37,000 high schools. And then he got in a fight with Eric Weddell.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was going after multiple people on Twitter. Golden Tate, too.
Yes. No one's ever gotten in a fight with Golden Tate.

Speaker 1 I don't really know what's going on here, but yeah, it feels like someone should take his Twitter away. I feel like, yeah, it's a bad situation that he's in for real.
But

Speaker 1 you can't stop what's happening. He's just going to continue self-detect.
But he did have a good idea earlier this week. He tweeted out that, no, he didn't tweet out.

Speaker 1 It was an Instagram story of him training and said, USA rugby, let's do this.

Speaker 1 So he wants to play rugby for the lads who, by the way, covered against England today. They lost by 20.
Don't ask what the... No, we didn't.

Speaker 1 We lost by 42. Oh, wow.
That's a win. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The only good thing that AB did, though, was when he talked shit to me. Why are you so negative about USA rugby? Yeah, they sent us shit.
They listened to the show, and

Speaker 1 they're negative. They're solid Americans.
I like winners. I'm negative.
I mean, I'm the same way with USA soccer. I want winners.
Okay, all right. Well, they want winners.
They did

Speaker 1 win sevens. When USA Rugby wins, we're in.
Okay.

Speaker 1 We lost by 42.

Speaker 1 We lost 45 to 7. Can't win with them.
Want winners. Can't have it.
Okay, well,

Speaker 1 they covered, is the big thing. They covered the live line.
They covered the live line. They didn't cover the live stream.
They covered my line, my own personal pocketbook.

Speaker 1 By the way, A.B., it is nice when you get in a fight with someone on Twitter and then you can actually post pictures of you stiff arming them.

Speaker 1 Credit to him on that. He kind of won the Eric Weddell thing when he's just like, hey, here's me just kicking the shit out of him.

Speaker 1 I think A.B.'s pissed off that Jalen Ramsey is kind of stealing his swagger with the fake. Because every day something's happening with Jalen Ramsey.
The fake pregnancy? Is that what he's saying?

Speaker 1 Well, no, the fake sickness. And now I think he can take paternity leave for as long as he wants.

Speaker 1 I also think it's a good move of him not going in when he's sick because being around Tom Coughlin, if he sneezed on him, he would just kill him.

Speaker 1 Tom Coughlin's immune system is not tip-top shape. Let's put it that way.
All right, let's finish up with a couple woes, and then we'll get you to your football weekend.

Speaker 1 Fucking love every weekend in the fall.

Speaker 1 There's nothing better, you know, by the way, Saturday night when you are watching, you finish watching every college football game, and you're like, oh, still got a whole day to do this again.

Speaker 1 I get to run it back. The best.
Let's run it back. The best.
How come an octagon has eight sides and octopus has eight tentacles, but October is the tenth month? Wow, that's pretty fucking good. Whoa.

Speaker 1 Damn. And September, that should be seven.
Correct. But it's not, it's nine.
Yeah. And

Speaker 1 November should be nine.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 DEC should be ten. What the hell is going on with the calendar? Why are we always two months behind?

Speaker 1 Hmm. The Zodiac's pregnant.
It's always eight weeks late. Hmm.
You don't really wash your hands. They actually watch each other while you just stand there and watch.

Speaker 1 You don't wash your hands? You don't wash your hands. They just wash each other, and you just stand there and watch.
Fuck.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. That is a very high thought.
That is very true, though. Damn.
What about your ass? Do you wipe your ass? Or does your hand watch your other hand wipe your ass?

Speaker 1 Damn. Whoa.

Speaker 1 Damn. You know, like, could your hand ever be like, yo, I don't want to wipe this ass? No, you got to.
That's your job. Do your job.

Speaker 1 Your human body is the patriot way. Can you hear silence?

Speaker 1 I just heard it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The sound of silence is a song. Did you just hear that? Yeah, so the sound of silence is a song, right? Mm-hmm.
It's Simon and Garfunkle.

Speaker 1 Shout out those fucking weirdos. They always looked so weird on their pictures.
Them and Hollow Notes. It's like, we're just going to take weird-ass pictures.

Speaker 1 Who's going to look more like a dad porn star on this album cover, Paul Simon or Darrell Hall? Yeah.

Speaker 1 If you say beer can in an English accent, it's the same as saying bacon in a Jamaican accent. Do a PFT.
Big Hen.

Speaker 1 That's pretty awesome. Big Hen.

Speaker 1 Lauren Marcel.

Speaker 4 Bacon.

Speaker 1 Rosebuck. Damn.
We'll end with that. Big Hen.
Okay. That was great.
All right. We'll enjoy it.
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