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Today is Friday, October 24th.

And PFT, I did not think this was possible, but after watching Thursday night football, I can officially say I feel bad for Carson Wentz.

I do too.

I do too.

I felt the same way.

Carson and I, we've had our ups and downs in our relationship.

By the end of the night tonight, I did, in fact, feel very bad for the guy because he's obviously in pain.

I'm just speculating.

We never want to speculate about an injury.

No.

But I'm going to speculate that Carson Wentz had some sort of dislocated shoulder issue, maybe a labrum, maybe a rotator cuff, and it wasn't staying in place, and it just kept getting popped out over and over and over again.

He was just getting beat to hell.

And then by the end of the game, As a body language expert, I saw Carson Wentz sitting on that bench, staring up at the sky at all the places that all the ducks would have been flying if he hadn't killed them already.

And he was thinking to himself, this might be the end of the road for old Carson.

Yeah,

it was a pretty depressing watch for Carson Wentz.

Did feel bad for him.

On the other side, the Chargers look like a completely different team when Joe Alt is back.

I think Pipkins was back as well.

They could actually block for Justin Herbert.

Justin Herbert, they ran the ball very, very well.

I was going to say, that's what Greg Roman wants to do.

That's what Harbaugh wants to do.

And if they don't have any of their linemen in, they're not going to be able to do that.

And it's going to take away their entire identity.

I feel like that's exactly what they needed tonight.

Yeah, they had 207 yards rushing.

They were dominant.

And I don't know how much to take away from this because the Vikings offense looked just unhelpable.

It's also...

Like, J.J.

McCarthy has to play.

We saw him on the sideline.

Maybe a soft benching for Carson Wentz?

Yeah,

J.J.

McCarthy hopped up when the ball came his way that one time.

I don't know about that ankle, but you got to play him.

And if you're like Justin Jefferson, you've got to be very frustrated because that was just an ugly, ugly watch.

And to add extra insult to what the Vikings are facing, they have played the number one easiest schedule this year thus far, and they have the number one hardest schedule the rest of the season.

So it feels like the Vikings could be in a bad spot.

They have the Lions, Ravens, Bears, Packers, Seahawks are their next five.

So if Wentz is unable to go, what's their option?

Brosmer?

JJ McCarthy's got to be back.

Well, so during the game,

I saw some, well, yeah, he obviously jumped up, but I saw somebody post this.

We didn't have the sound on that loud, so I couldn't hear Ian Rap Report when he was talking about it.

But during the game, he did say that if Carson Wentz goes out and plays well,

that will be taken into consideration on who starts next week.

Yeah.

So if Wentz had gone out there and played really well,

very well could have been starting again in a week's time, even though it looks like JJ's healthy.

So I don't know.

I don't know what they're going to do.

It also,

a man needs to know his limits, and I think Kevin O'Connell has learned his limits with Carson Wentz.

He did it for Sam Darnold.

He probably could have done it for Daniel Jones.

I think he did it for Daniel Jones.

You were great with Kirk Cousins.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Carson Wentz is your limit.

You got to know when to walk away from the table.

And it's time for J.J.

McCarthy.

But I still can't get over it.

Chargers,

every time I think I'm out, they reel me back in because you just forget that they've been so banged up.

And when they can run the ball like that, and no stupid picks from Herbert's name.

He did have a pick, but I don't think that was a stupid pick.

It was tipped.

Well, he got lucky on one stupid pick.

Okay, so it's a stupid pick.

Max is counting it.

Oh, yeah, yeah,

the second drive of the game, the first drive of the Chargers.

That was,

that would have maybe changed.

Well, no, the Vikings would have lost by just a little bit less.

Yeah, I don't think it would have made a difference.

You got to know when to walk away from the table, but sometimes Harva's got the x-ray device out and he can read your cards.

And that's what we saw tonight.

Zach,

so,

yeah, that was Thursday night football.

Again, Carson Wentz, we feel bad for you.

I didn't know it was possible.

I do.

I didn't think it was possible.

I didn't think I could feel those feelings for Carson Wentz.

I felt those feelings for Carson Wentz tonight, watching him in pain, just getting sacked over and over.

And he also, so he is definitely one of the most sackable quarterbacks.

He also is, I would say, the number one.

How did that many people sack him at once, quarterback?

Yeah.

Where he will get sacked and there will be six defenders on top of him.

You know what it is?

He gets down in a really good athletic position.

He's dive bombs.

When he's about to get sacked, he crouches down, low center of gravity, low man wins.

He gets the leverage, so he's able to resist the first guy that hits him, but he doesn't like pop up or try to get out.

He just kind of stays in like a turtle position.

Yep.

And then he lets three other guys hit him after that.

And there were some sacks that he took early on where it's like, yeah, Carson, you got to get rid of the ball.

That's kind of on you.

And then as the game went on, he just got no protection help and he wasn't able to move.

And

he was getting torn up.

I got a question for you guys.

Do we want to bet the Chargers to win the Super Bowl, knowing they probably won't, but the number's going to go, we're going to get good value.

What's the number right now on DraftKings?

Shout out DraftKings.

Because they play

their next

four games are against the Titans, the Steelers at home, the Jaguars, and the Raiders at home.

That feels like a 3-1, potentially 4-0.

They're 20-1.

20-1.

25-1.

25-1.

So you're thinking a cash-out option?

I'm just thinking they're going to, When they're healthy,

when Joe Alt is back and their offensive line is healthy, there is still a very good football team.

They got Khalil Mack back there.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Well, it's something to think about.

We'll maybe ruminate on it a little bit.

But yeah, you alluded to it, PFT, the big news of the day.

The NBA is in.

big, big trouble, and we have brought our legal expert, Zach, onto the couch for this moment.

It has nothing to do with the fact that Hank has departed for a bachelor party.

He's on the rest of the episode.

He just had to leave like at six o'clock tonight.

So, Zach, you have read all of the documents.

You have scoured over everything.

You've listened to the FBI reports.

What's your big takeaway from the NBA gambling issues?

My big takeaway after the deep dive earlier today and listening to a couple press conferences is that I think this just gets bigger.

I think there's going to be a lot more guys in the coming days announced to be a part of this thing.

Not looking good

whatsoever official we get official statement not looking good official statement really not looking good and if the x-ray table situation is true scumbag behavior yeah but also i want to get my hands on one of these x-ray tables so i didn't even know that that tech what else what other technology did they have they had like a uh telecommunication system yeah they're they're uh automatic shufflers that were like modified and then that it would send info to a guy off-site and then he would hit some guy in the room allegedly allegedly allegedly all all innocent until proven guilty.

Super allegedly.

But

this would be a great movie.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It would.

So it came down this morning.

There were two different arrests made or two different warrants out there.

One was Terry Rozier.

Yep.

And that was about gambling on NBA props.

And then there was one with Chauncey Billips that was about poker.

But Chauncey Billops was also named in the other one.

So there's a link between the two.

Is it separate but related?

Well, so they named, I think it was like it was, it was person number eight or something.

Yeah.

And it listed the description of it, and it was exactly Shaunce Bills' career.

It was where he lives in Oregon.

It was the coaches.

Yeah, certain rotations with the Portland Trailblazers.

Yeah, it would be really hard.

I don't want to cast Aspersions.

No, Damon Jones also named in it.

And yeah, this looks bad.

It looks really bad.

The Terry Rosier one,

you know what my biggest takeaway was whenever these things happen, first of all, bad.

Shouldn't happen.

But Terry Rose year, like whenever a player gets accused of this, the internet just finds their worst plays.

Yeah.

And that also sucks for them.

Yeah.

Because they're probably, if there is malfeasance

going on, there's some really bad ones out there.

But also, he could have just sucked on those nights and then the whole internet just puts out your low lights.

Yeah, I feel bad for players that might have had some bad games that now they're being speculated upon.

Yeah.

And they're like, oh, wow, Martin Gortat, he definitely was, he was shaving.

You look at him, brick this free throw.

So, yeah, this, this, I mean, and then Wind Horse came out and said that the NBA has essentially been trying to sweep this under the rug, that they knew this was coming, that they basically had Terry Roger sit out the rest of the season last year when this was coming out.

It's all bad.

Now, obviously, people are going to blame sports gambling being legalized.

I would say, yeah, there's, you know, people gamble more.

This is also one of those things where they would never have caught it if sports gambling wasn't legalized.

And sports gambling did happen before it became legalized.

I know that's shocking to some people to hear, but it's kind of a gray area where...

Yeah, okay, you can make the argument that there's too many props to bet on, but also we would never have found this out if you can't track it the way they track it now i think you'd have to be a world-class idiot to be on an nba roster you have a guaranteed contract and you're trying to make a few extra bucks off of some of your props because they they limit those bets how much you can bet on them well so the return on that i guess if you have a wide enough network and you send a bunch of guys out to bet on it you could make some money but still it's it's such a dumb thing for someone who gets paid so much money to do that but you never know what the situation is where you know the mafia has been named in this, which shout out the mafia.

I didn't know you guys were still doing it.

I got a problem with that.

Not shout out, but kind of shout out.

Kind of shout-out.

Like, respect.

I didn't know the mafia.

Like, respect.

Seeing like Gambino and Benino and Banano shit.

Yeah, five families.

It's pretty.

All right.

You guys are still out there.

Max, I had a problem with how they phrased that.

Refer to them as the Italian mafia.

Nah, I like that.

It was.

It was kind of cool seeing the mafia publicity.

So what I was going to say, PFT, is yes, I agree.

It's very stupid, but you also don't know the situation some of these guys are in where a Terry Rosier, and this is all speculation of Chauncey Phillips, they could be wrapped up in shit.

They could be in debt.

They could be in situations where they're trying to help someone out or help themselves out.

Yeah, and they're getting in a situation where they have to do this, where it's not just, oh, I'm just trying to make, because, yeah, there's obviously people like, why would you do this if you're making millions of dollars and you're making, you know, 20K on a bet?

It could be that they owe money to someone and they don't have money.

The Chauncey Billips one.

So did you see too that apparently I saw a clip, a guy on a podcast two years ago basically being like, yeah, Chauncey Billips has these card games and everyone knows that they're scams.

Yeah, I don't know what the business model is, but I guess you get famous people to play in your card games and then they invite people to join you.

And they just take all their money.

And then you take all their money and you're like, hey, this game's legit because we got Chauncey Billips playing in it.

And of course, it can't be rigged.

Now, when this happened, I was on Wake Up Barstal when the news broke.

And my first reaction to it, I was like, I wonder if this has anything to do with Gilbert Arenas.

Because he got arrested back in August for running a poker game.

And when he got out of jail, like a day later,

he posted something on his.

No, this is from today.

Yeah.

But I mean, the day he got out of jail, he posted something, I think it was on Instagram saying, like, yeah, nothing wrong with a little snitching.

Like, basically saying, yeah, I might be snitching on people.

Nothing wrong with telling.

And everyone thought that it was a joke at the time.

And then I was like,

wait a second.

And then he shows up to his podcast today carrying a bag that said informant lunch.

Ain't nothing wrong with snitching, man.

It ain't nothing wrong with just telling, man.

Ain't nothing wrong with telling, man, especially when you got a fine-ass girl at home.

Yeah.

Well, he got out pretty quick.

I thought I just, that's central.

I thought it was central.

You got central?

Yeah, no,

that's central.

That was on his own.

He posted that himself.

It's bad for the NBA.

It is, it is, I don't know what they're going to do because

the Donaghy stuff still is a black eye for the NBA.

Yeah.

And the problem the NBA has that, you know, the reaction, there's obviously reactions.

Everyone overreacts to these moments and goes way one way, one, way the other way.

There's a lot of people like, you got it.

I saw one person maybe take the year that legalized gambling is going to end all sports.

That one, I would say, is a little overreaction.

But the problem is with, yeah, what is this?

This seems possibly eventually gambling will eliminate professional sports.

Okay, so eliminate all professional sports.

I think that's going to happen.

Now that gambling became a thing four years ago.

Yeah, right.

The NBA, though, does have a problem in the fact that the NBA, unlike any other sport, you can affect a game a lot more with props.

And I mean, it's harder to affect a game in the NFL.

MLB.

MLB, yes, the pitchers, obviously, but like you can't.

Batters can't all of a sudden.

I guess they could strike out.

You'd strike out a lot.

Yeah.

Just not swing.

But the NFL, it's a little bit more difficult.

I also think in the NFL, you have a much higher likelihood of getting your ass kicked.

Yeah.

But I mean, what could you do?

I guess you could.

Quarterback's really the only one.

Quarterback.

I guess you could

kick her.

You could hold on.

Yeah.

Or you could hold if you're an offensive line.

No, NFL is definitely the hardest.

Right.

But the NBA definitely has an issue because these props are,

you know, guys, if guys are doing this stuff,

it's not great.

Not great.

Permission to put on my tinfoil hat.

Yeah, please.

Who was at this press conference making the announcements?

Who's the head of the FBI right now?

I don't know.

Cash Patel?

Cash Patel.

Here we go.

Absolutely right, Zach.

Cash Patel, head of the FBI.

He is a massive, massive hockey fan.

Oh.

He is the biggest NHL guy that you'll ever meet.

Interesting.

This guy, he like followed Ovie around last summer.

Oh.

Or last year.

Interesting.

He went to every game.

He plays in a men's league hockey thing.

He's like pounding beers in the parking lot after the games.

He's a hockey boy, up and down.

This is a big come-up for the NHL.

Oh, man.

He might be taking down basketball.

Like, Ryan Whitney might be on the phone with Cash Patel.

Hey, I got something you could look into right now, Cash.

Be a dude.

Wow.

I like that.

Think about that.

At the end of the day, I still am very pro-legalized gambling because, again, you wouldn't be able to find these things if you didn't have, you know, sportsbooks tracking and all of a sudden, oh, shit, everyone bet the Geontae Porter under?

That part is true.

You just wouldn't be able to find it.

That they have algorithms that can tell when people, like an unusually large amount of people are betting on these weird props for guys that normally don't see that much action, and then they can take action on it.

So

in that way, it's a good thing.

But the gambling being so prevalent, definitely it gives you a bigger pool of people who might be interested in something like this.

It's it's gonna be, I don't know what were you gonna say, Matt.

I have a question.

Yeah, are they betting the were they?

I think they're telling legally, yeah, they're telling their friends, I believe.

Yes, I believe they made the bets.

So, then the sports books, that's what Windhorse basically said, that the sports book, sportsbooks saw this in March or whenever it happened, and the NBA essentially took Terry Rozier off the court.

So, what does the mafia have to do with this?

I think the mafia is the poker.

Yeah.

Oh, I believe.

The mafia doesn't have that.

But then the connection is, again, like if you get in trouble with the mafia, and then now you have to be like, hey, I got a

big tip.

Got it.

It all.

Got it.

Got it.

Yeah.

You get into bad spots.

Like, you want to sit down at the table?

Well, there'll be three boxes of ZD and two cans of sauce.

How about we talk about how many players are in the NBA right now?

So there's what?

13,

12 times 32.

12.

32.

30, yeah.

Can you do that real quick?

How many players in the NBA?

There are 450 active players.

Why aren't we talking about the other 447 that aren't involved in this?

Good job, guys.

Great job.

Yeah.

That's a lot of guys who are not doing this.

Appreciate you guys.

Like, the majority of guys are not doing it.

Almost every guy.

Pretty much every guy.

Has not been alleged.

Yeah, I do feel like we're not done yet.

Well,

the NBA should,

I think the one solution to this is if you are wrapped up in any type of situation like this is just lifetime ban.

Yeah.

Like that should just be it because

the consequences are so severe.

And I do think a story like this being this big will probably deter people going forward because you're going to most likely get caught.

Even if you just like, oh, I'll tell one friend.

They're going to tell a friend.

They're going to tell a friend.

Or Adam Silver, you know, he will do anything the players want him to do.

Yeah.

What if he goes the other way?

And he's just like, you know what?

You guys can have fun.

Just bet on everything.

Yeah.

You guys can bet on whatever you want.

Bet on your unders, bet on your overs.

I don't care.

I want you guys to have fun.

I'm not like the other commissioners.

I'm a cool commissioner.

Yeah.

Let's be fast.

Imagine being one of the rich guys who was like, oh, you wake up this morning.

You're like, oh, fuck.

I played in that poker game

15 times.

And they just took all my money.

That would suck.

That'd be a pretty big ego blow.

Be like, I'm that much of a fucking idiot that I just showed up to the x-ray tables.

There are some legends of the NBA that I really hope aren't involved in this.

I'd agree.

And that's all I'm going to say about that.

I'd agree.

447 guys aren't.

There are some legends that maybe no longer play, but might be around the game

that would be inclined to participate in

playing games of chance and winning some money.

And I hope hope that they're not.

How many people do you think woke up this morning and were like, oh shit, Chauncey Phillips is coach of the Blazers?

I know he's been the coach of the Blazers for a while, but oh, Dale Max.

Because the Blazers are very irrelevant recently in terms of franchises.

They have not been in the playoffs in a while.

Max just raised his hands.

Yeah, I didn't know that until I saw him.

It's a Western conference.

It's the most Western Conference team.

Yeah, no, that's on me.

And

the Blazers aren't going across

national

games very often.

No.

If ever.

They're not.

And I'm not

very league passed to whoever the Blazers are playing.

That's just a fact.

Yeah, he has been the coach for a while, and he's not been good.

They've missed the playoffs every single year he's coached.

I just don't like how now we're going to look at any Italian guy that is hanging out with an NBA player and be like, hmm, I wonder what that guy's up to.

That's not a good mentality to have.

Yeah, we don't need to be going going after Italians.

No.

With any connection to that.

If you see an Italian today, they're probably going through it.

Probably facing some discrimination.

Give them a big hug, kiss on each cheek.

And say, hey, don't worry about it.

I know you weren't betting Giante Porter.

I got you, my Paison.

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So go buy them, save some dogs, do that.

Second, World Series predictions.

Let's do it.

Marlinsman did text me.

Good.

Asking if we're coming to the World Series.

And I said, he said, are you at World Series tomorrow?

I said, I'm not.

He said, why?

He said, football.

And then he said, I will call you from game.

Okay, cool.

And he said, everyone daily asks about PFT's mom.

It's hysterical.

Jesus Christ.

New York, Chicago, Seattle, L.A.

I hope the.

You listen to all this.

I hope.

You know, I hope the other Marlins man's there.

I like the other Marlins man better.

He's way more respectful.

But I'm getting a call from Marlins Man tomorrow during the World Series.

That's incredible.

It's on site.

Yeah.

All right.

Predictions.

Okay, I got

Dodgers

in

six.

Okay.

I'm going to say Dodgers in five.

I believe it will be Dodgers in five as well.

Go Blue Jays in seven.

Vladdy walk off.

Let's go.

That would be incredible.

I will go Dodgers in four.

Whoa, Max.

Because you want the Phillies to be able to get into the business.

No, I just think I just think that's going to be the case.

Who's pitching

Blue Jays game one only shot?

Blake Snell versus Versage.

Okay.

Definitely botched that name.

Yeah, it's Savage.

Yep.

Yep.

I think I'm going to be betting on this one.

I did this last year in the playoffs, and I forgot to do it again this year, and I was kicking myself.

Otani, two home runs.

I'm probably just going to bet that every night.

I like that.

It's going to be an awesome scene in Toronto.

Yeah.

I'm excited for the game.

Yeah.

I'm excited for the fall classic.

Yeah, and shout out to Jeff Passon.

Yeah.

Gets to hit up the tavern.

Imperial Pub.

Yep.

Yeah.

So

we'll break down some of the, what's the schedule?

It's Friday, Saturday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.

All right.

So if it goes, if it goes back to Toronto, we'll have Jeff back on before

game six.

I also heard that the organ player

for the Dodgers, when they do Take Me Out to the Ball Game this whole season, they've been adding in the dun, dun, dun, dun from

like us.

That's something that they do every single game, but that's going to have a different meaning to it.

Do they sing a different seventh inning stretch in Toronto?

I don't know.

Because I saw a video from Jerry O'Connell's Instagram that I'm still confused about.

He

Jerry O'Connell is the most interesting man alive because he, I don't know, he has so many friends.

There was a

during game seven, it looked like he was in someone's apartment and he said he found all the Blue Jays fans

in LA.

Yeah, watch this video.

It's so funny.

I don't get it.

That's so wholesome.

He said seventh inning stretch with every Blue Jays fan in Los Angeles.

So wholesome, boy, what is that?

It seems like it would be a song that you would sing before the game.

Oh, wait,

that's okay, Blue Jays song.

Okay, so they do have a different one.

Okay, Blue Jays.

Let's play

ball.

Boom, boom.

You know what?

Just from that alone, I'm changing my prediction.

Dodgers in six.

Okay, well,

just added another game for the Blue Jays.

We believe.

We believe.

Toronto Jays, you're going to get another game.

Oh, man.

All right.

Let's kick it to ourselves.

A ball.

Okay, Blue Jays.

Let's play

ball.

Boom, boom.

Shout out Oldie.

He's been ripping it up on the streets.

Yeah, he's learning all about baseball.

I think he also put some merch in the store, so go check it out.

Oh, I can't wait.

Yeah.

All right.

We have our week nine picks and preview, and then we are going to get to our interview with Zach Martin in studio.

Awesome time.

And then Firefest.

Great job, Zach.

Great job, Zach.

On the couch.

Same to you guys.

Great show.

Great show today.

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Okay, boys, week eight.

We have six, six buys.

We have the Lions, Raiders, Rams, Cardinals, Seahawks, Jaguars all on buy.

We do not have a London game finally.

We have a just a regular schedule with seven early, three late, one Sunday night football that I think we're all excited for.

Aaron Rodgers playing against his old team in the Green Bay Packers.

Let's get into it, though.

We'll start in just order.

We're going to go first up,

the Dolphins.

Oh, I had one betting note for everyone.

The NFC is still kind of dominating.

So the NFC, well, I lost my betting note, but the NFC is dominating the AFC so far this season.

I'll find the actual against the spread, but they have been dominating so far this season.

So there's a lot of NFC, AFC games this week.

If you want to follow some trends, if you want to go with that, there's always that.

Although eventually it will probably, oh, I have it right here.

26 and 12 against the spread.

NFC versus AFC.

Yeah, so if you're significant.

If it's going poorly, you become a fan of your division.

If it's going really poorly, you just become a fan of your conference.

I root for the, the, in this house, we root for the NFC.

Yeah.

So 26 and 12 against the spread.

There's Falcons, Dolphins, Panthers, Bills, Bears, Ravens, 49ers, Texans, Cowboys, Broncos, Packers, Steelers, a lot of NFC, AFC game commanders, Chiefs on Monday night.

Also of note, because I put a note in.

We screwed this up last year.

Sunday is National Tight End Day.

Last year, National Tight End Day, 15 different tight ends scored.

Okay, good to know.

So let's just keep that in mind.

I don't know if they're doing this specifically, but that was crazy.

You remember last year?

How did this happen?

How did all these tight ends score?

I do remember that, but it still goes to show you what a poor job running backs did advertising National Runningback Day last Sunday.

What a downer of a holiday that was.

Agreed.

Agreed.

We found out basically it's Sunday Night Football.

Like halftime of Sunday Night Football, they told us.

Yeah.

Okay, let's get into the games.

We have the Miami Dolphins playing the Atlanta Falcons.

The Falcons are seven-point favorites.

The over-under is 44.5.

Oh, boys, if you thought it couldn't get worse for the Miami Dolphins, it has gotten worse because Tua came out this week.

Wait, starting quarterback Tua.

Starting quarterback Tua.

Yep.

Because, yeah, Mike McDaniels, you're right.

Mike McTalees did say there's zero uncertainty with Tua on my conviction in him and my belief in him.

Yep.

I think we're both very, very eager to do better at our jobs.

We're both very committed.

Tua then also talked about not targeting Jalen Warren or Waddle, excuse me, in the game against the Browns.

And he said, I'm not the tallest guy back there.

Sometimes when that happens, you don't want to just throw it blindly.

I would say, Tua, throw it blindly, dude.

It's not going well when you're not throwing it blindly.

Right.

The picks are happening, whether you can see it or not.

Maybe just try to do some blind plays.

I'm old school Doug's blind play.

I actually think that there's a good possibility that maybe Tua just can't see linebackers.

It's the same thing.

It's the Jameis disease.

Well,

there's the being

linebacker blind, which is that's an acute phenomenon that Jameis had.

I'm saying that he can't see the linebackers because he's too short.

Too short.

Jameis is plenty tall.

It was an eye problem for Tua.

I feel like this is why in the draft you measure quarterbacks up to the eyeballs.

Yep.

You don't measure him to the top of the head.

Tua's got a lot of wasted space in the forehead, makes him a little bit taller on paper than he really is.

He's got low eyes.

You've always said that.

Tua's got low eyes.

I think also maybe being left-handed might have something to do with it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It just seems like the Dolphins are running out the clock here on the season, on Mike McDaniel, on Tua, and they're going up against a Falcons team, which I mentioned on Sunday.

I think my strategy for the Falcons will be just if they are coming off a loss, I'm going to bet on them.

And if they're coming off a win, I'm going to bet against them because they're a little bit of a Jekyll and Hyde.

When it looks good, it's great.

When it looks bad, it's really bad.

But this is going to be a big-time Bijan.

and Tyler Algier game.

The last three games, the Dolphins against running back ones have given up 410 yards and four touchdowns.

That's not good.

It's not good.

That's not good.

And Tua is one and nine in his last 10 road games straight up.

And he's also not good.

He's thrown three picks in back-to-back games.

Tua's a very streaky interception guy, and he's in a bad streak right now.

A very bad streak.

Now, with the Falcons,

Michael Pennex, not super healthy right now.

I think day-to-day

is what they're calling him.

Day-to-day.

We're all day-to-day when you think about it.

But for Pennex to be day-to-day right now, I hope that at some point this season, we get a Kirk Cousins game.

Yeah.

I want to see Kirk Cousins.

I want him to go out there.

I want him to play well, and then I want him to be traded to another team this season.

Is there a chance that Michael Pennex is getting soft-benched?

Soft-benching is a new thing.

I'm so in on soft-benching

because it's now

JJ McCarthy has been soft.

It's been thrown out there that he's been soft-benched.

Vikings fans refuse to give that any credence.

I do think he's been soft benched.

Yes, yeah.

So now every time someone gets hurt, I'm just going to assume it's a soft benching.

Soft benching?

Soft benching.

Soft benching?

Bryce Young, soft bench.

Soft benching.

He's been soft benched.

So yeah, with Pinnix, not a soft bench.

I think he's got like a bone bruise.

He's day-to-day.

I just would like, you know that if you're the Falcons owner, every month you're writing that check or every week you're writing that check to Kirk Cousins.

And you're thinking to yourself, I'd like to get something out of it, even if he's not the best option for us at quarterback right now.

It'd be nice to get some return on this value.

Just one win?

Just one win.

Yeah,

let's put him out there and just make him work.

Yeah.

Like, you're paying a guy to not work.

At some point, even if he's worse than Penix, you're like, I want him to break a sweat.

Yeah.

Just get him out there.

If Kirk Cousins got you one win, you'd be like, hey, maybe it was worth it.

Money well spent.

By the way, there was some pushback on our discussion on Wednesday about Jameer Gibbs, in my opinion, being the best running back.

And I didn't mention Bajan.

That was a mistake.

Bajan is electric.

Bajan is in the conversation.

And then there was a stat I saw that is pretty significant.

Bajan Robinson this year has 46 missed tackles forced.

It's 10 more than any other player.

Yeah, he's awesome.

He's so sick.

And we get a Falcons home game, so we get the cool camera that only they have.

Are you talking about the one that goes

in the sky, that goes directly in the middle of the butthole of their stadium?

Yep, looking down.

And people, I've seen people get upset because

they basically are like, well, Bajan's the only one who gets this camera.

Yeah,

it's at Atlanta.

Yeah.

That's where, that's when he has the camera.

That's also not entirely true.

Desmond Ritter got that camera.

In Atlanta.

And in Atlanta, and they used it precisely one time on like one Desmond Ritter pass.

So we have evidence documented about that.

Yeah, I'd put Bajan probably one or two in the NFL right now.

Yep.

I think that it's like a fluid week-to-week conversation, depending on who just went off.

Also, just a PSA to all AWLs, AWLs, which I think AWLs do realize this because we've been doing this for a very long time.

The long-hardened AWLs who've been with us through thick and thin, whenever we do a spur-of-the-moment top, you know, this guy's the best or top three, we will 100% miss a very obvious name.

And we do it just to piss you off.

Yes, you, the one person who's very angry about Bajan.

Gotcha.

It has nothing to do with the fact that we are low IQ people.

No, I think I said Bajan.

I think You might have.

I think I said that I would definitely put him in that conversation.

In reality, there's three or four running backs in the NFL that I would love to have.

You would love to have.

But I do, no matter what,

if you walk up to me and say, hey, give me the top three in this position, I'll give you a good top three, and I'll miss an obvious one.

Top three wide receivers in the NFL right now.

Jackson Smith.

Okay.

Jamar Chase.

Yep.

CeeDee Lamb.

Oh, Jefferson.

This guy forgot Jefferson.

I forgot Jefferson.

I forgot Jefferson.

So we're taping this early in the morning.

What if he went off for like four touchdowns and 200 yards?

That would look stupid right now.

What are you going to say, Max?

Max, you got something to say?

I got nothing.

What are you guys laughing about in the booth?

We're just talking shit.

Share with the class.

We're doing a podcast.

Max is excited about VJ Edgecombe.

Oh, okay.

Zach got weirdly defensive.

About VJ Edgecombe?

About the Knicks.

Oh.

Okay, well, good segue, Booth.

Let's go to the next game.

Jets at Bengals.

Bengals are minus six and a half point favorites against the Jets, and the over-under is 44.5.

Good news for the boys in the booth.

Well, at least for memes, the New York Knicks have more wins than the Jets.

That's awesome.

Go New York.

That's huge.

Go New York, go.

Memes?

Mean stat.

Nope, that is a mean stat.

Yeah.

Knicks look really good.

Yeah, yeah.

Fun team.

Very fun team.

Number is that Matthew Schaefer.

He's a stud.

Yeah.

Memes, do you think this is the week for Brees Hall?

I hope so.

Unleashed 20.

I also think it's the week for Justin Fields.

You do.

So Justin Fields, quite a week in Jets' world.

We had

a couple weird things happen.

One was Woody Johnson

talked about how he hugs Aaron Glenn after every game and tells him how much he loves him.

Okay.

That's not really something that you do to a coach that's successful, though.

Right?

No.

It's more, it's more, you do that to someone whose family member is dying or you coach the Jets.

It's like, I feel sorry for you.

Correct.

Thank you for still being.

It's almost like he looks at Aaron Glenn like, thank you for taking this job.

I know it's not easy.

He's basically doing the Robin Williams, Not Your Fault, in Goodwill Hunting every single day after every game.

Well, no, I think it was every day they hugged.

Milwaukee told the waiter, Aaron Glenn, you hear about him?

He's coaching the Jets.

Thought he would cry.

But that wasn't the weirdest thing that Woody Johnson did.

Woody Johnson then came out and said about his starting quarterback, who he paid a decent amount of money to,

that he can't complete a pass.

If we could just complete a pass, it would look good, he said.

If you look at any head coach with a quarterback like that, you're going to see similar results.

Woof.

That's a mean thing to say.

And then Justin Fields didn't see it until he was talking to the media and was kind of throwing at him.

Aaron Glenn also had a spicy exchange with the media.

Memes.

Not good.

Not good.

This is just total dysfunction.

This is the rock bottom we were talking about under the rock bottom.

It's below the rock.

It's below the rock bottom, and now it's only up from here, hopefully.

What's below rock bottom?

I don't know.

What?

The mantle of the earth?

The liquid core?

Yeah.

Yeah, we're at the core.

It seems bad.

It seems like they don't really...

They haven't named a starter yet, right?

But I would assume that if the owner is making comments like this, it's probably going to be Tyrod.

If the owner is like, our quarterback can't throw a pass, that seems like it would point towards the guy that can throw a pass.

Correct.

But if you're Aaron Glenn, you almost have to start Justin Fields to prove the point that you're still making the decisions and it's not the owner.

Wait, you're saying that Aaron Glenn's.

Because the owner has been so negative.

Because the owner has been so negative.

If you start Tyrod Taylor, that's Woody Johnson making the decision.

Yeah, you're letting him him win.

Aaron Glenn has to start Justin Fields, almost has to start

Justin Fields just to be like, I'm still in charge.

I'm the man.

I'll show him I'm going to lose this game.

And I'm looking forward to my hug afterwards.

Yeah.

And I'm looking forward to that.

Probably was that hug.

Now, did you know that Justin Fields has not thrown an interception this year?

That's pretty good.

So he can't complete a pass to anybody.

And so he is the first quarterback since 1950 to have zero picks and zero wins in their first start of the season.

But Brees Hall, the reason I ask about Brees Hall, how many touchdowns, Big Cat, do you think Brees Hall has this year?

One.

Zero.

He has zero touchdowns.

I was trying to give him a pity one.

Pretty crazy that Brees Hall hasn't scored yet.

Yeah, they normally go to Braylon Allen on the goal line.

Memes, I do.

Memes, for the quarterback situation, Aaron Glenn did clear it up.

He said, we will have a quarterback on Sunday.

I'll tell you that.

Sucking haters.

So suck my dick to the world.

Aaron Glenn just said, you thought we were going to play without a quarterback?

Yeah.

You're wrong.

Listen, we're going to have a quarterback.

99.9999999% of the world will not be coaching a quarterback on Sunday.

They won't have a quarterback on their roster.

That would be funny if he just went Wildcat Priest Hall for the entire game.

The Wild Jet.

No, no quarterback.

Yeah, I don't know.

Tyrod Taylor's day-to-day, too.

So he might not even be able to play.

What does he have?

A knee.

Oh,

just one?

Just one.

Okay.

People have been tagging you in insult stats related to the Steelers and Jets?

No.

Because

Justin Fields was 4-2 with the Steelers last year.

He's 0-6 with the Jets.

Aaron Rodgers was 5-12 with the Jets last year.

He's 4-2 with the Steelers this year.

Arthur Smith, sneaky QB Whisperer.

You made Aaron Rodgers good.

And Justin Fields?

What was Flacco's record with the Jets?

I mean, Aaron Rodgers hasn't thrown over 300 yards.

Ramondre Stevenson doesn't fumble the ball.

They lose that game.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Flacco with the Jets was.

That's a positive for you, Hank.

Flacco with the Jets was kind of like, remember, Kurt Warner on the Giants?

Yeah.

Not really, but yeah.

Yeah, because it was, oh, this is done.

Kurt Warner, I think he was rocking two gloves with the Giants.

He looked old all the time.

He just couldn't stop fumbling the ball.

Those guys deserve all the credit in the world.

Like, I'm not retiring.

I still am good.

Yeah, I mean, mean, Joe Flacco, he got comeback player of the year from coming back from playing for the Jets.

He didn't have an injury he was overcoming.

Nothing like major took him out of football.

Yep.

He just got comeback player of the year because it's like, how do you get over what you just experienced?

Yeah.

And Joe Flacco, by the way, had an incredible quote this week talking about being on a new team, his family still living in New Jersey.

He said that I used to see guys sitting at the bar by themselves eating, and I used to feel so bad for them.

And now I realize that dude was in heaven.

Yeah, Yeah, he had great delivery on that too.

So true.

Great delivery on it.

That man, yes,

you can hear the fact that he's got five kids at home.

Yeah, right.

If you have kids and you are, you, you, you find yourself in a spot where you're traveling, it's kind of like when we go travel and the thing I look forward to most is just sitting in my hotel room with nothing happening, not even the TV on, just sitting.

Yeah.

Just sitting there and just being like, this is awesome.

Just a little bit of a break.

So Joe Flacco.

I think that's why he keeps taking these jobs.

Yeah.

He's like, yeah,

daddy's got to go to work.

He'd really like to stay here, pick you up from school.

I want to do all the things.

But, you know, NFL,

I have to go play for the Bengals.

You understand?

Yeah.

This is a must-win for the Bengals.

Well, I think they're all must-wins.

Yeah.

Well, there's a couple that will be coming up that are going to be difficult to wins.

This is a must-win.

There's a path for the Bengals to somehow scratch and claw to nine or ten wins.

It does not happen if they lose this game.

The Bengals are going to be this year's team that is just always in the hunt graphic.

Yeah.

They're going to be sticking around, making some noise, maybe playing spoiler at the end.

Yeah, they are the, you're going to love the in-the-hunt graphic this year, Cincinnati.

Yeah.

So they got to win this one.

Memes.

I'll say this.

I don't think that the Bengals should be six and a half point favorites.

That seems a little crazy.

Their defense is bad.

Defense is bad.

Offensive line is bad.

Guess defense is playing better.

I might have to bet the Jets.

This is important.

This is important.

Is Sauce playing?

I'm not sure.

That is important.

That's very important.

Very important.

If Sauce is playing, I could see a world where, yeah, why are the Bengals six and a half point favorites to anyone?

But if Sauce is not playing, I feel like that might be just a Joe Flacco aired out game.

Yeah, but I don't know.

The Bengals' offensive line is banged up.

Joe Flacco also.

The Bengals' offensive line is always banged up.

Joe Flacco had that Joe Flacco game last week, and then he turns back into old Joe Flacco.

It's like almost every other game.

It depends on how old Joe Flacco you're talking about.

I like the Jets here.

Wow, Hungry Dog?

What's the Hungry Dog this week?

I don't know.

I don't know how crazy I want to get.

We'll see.

There's a lot of dogs that I like.

Okay.

The next game, Hank.

NFL teams don't go over.

Yeah.

Except for when the Lions and the Browns.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But other than that, I agree.

The Jets are different, though.

The Jets will win a game, I think.

They will.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Browns and Patriots.

Hank.

Yeah, it was an exciting one.

Why?

Because it's a good test against a great defense.

That's a good point.

There's a stat that's not great for you.

Since 2018, teams who are on a four-plus game straight up or against a spread win streak who didn't make the playoffs the year prior are 14 and 26 against the spread but they're one in 14 against the spread since 2022.

So teams that were expected to be bad because they didn't make the playoffs last year and then have four game winning streak one in 14 against the spread since 2022.

I don't, that stat doesn't mean much to me.

It's a different team.

Okay, cool.

I agree too.

And it applies to the Bears as well.

Because I saw the stat like, fuck shit.

Would you consider the Browns to be a weak team in the NFL?

A weak team?

Their defense is like the best defense in the NFL.

I think they're one of the strongest teams just physical, just based on how much they can bench.

I think they're an extremely good bad team.

Definitely.

They might be one of the best bad teams that we've seen in this league in the last 20 years.

Yeah, they don't feel like the bottom has fully fallen out at any point.

Obviously, the Dolphins game aside, they play the same game every week where this will be close in the first half, and then it will probably not be close.

Yeah.

Have you read the reports coming out of Browns camp recently?

No.

The Shador buzz.

Uh-oh.

So Mary Kay Cabot said, in practice, Shadur Sanders has been making a ton of progress.

He looks really good.

I've been saying this over and over again.

If you put Shadur and Dylan Gabriel side by side, or one after the other, in a seven-on-seven red zone drill, I think Shador would probably win that drill much of the time.

Or if you put them against each other in a pocket drill where you're throwing the ball into little pockets in the net, I think Shador would win that a lot of the time.

So that, to me, I mean, I can't think of a more resounding endorsement of Shador than he's winning to throw the ball into the tiny hole on the net drill.

Yep.

And in seven on seven, red zone specific drills, he probably wins that drill much of the time.

So?

They're gassing him up.

They're gassing him up.

It sounds like Shador is ready.

It is funny that Dylan Gabriel

won a game.

is the starting quarterback for the Browns, and I don't think anyone is saying, yeah, that's the future.

No.

Not a single person.

The lefty, it's tough.

Short lefties, tough.

Yeah.

The Browns, by the way, they have their six, their longest play from scrimmage this year is 46 yards.

Their six longest plays.

Four of them are runs.

So not exactly explosive in the past game.

No, but I would say that the formula is going to be just Judkins.

Judkins.

Just Judkins

the fuck out of this game.

This is your Judkins game and make the Patriots stop you.

But again, Hank, remember that stat, Patriots, 50-yard rusher.

They still have not given up a 50-yard rusher this season.

You want a great Drake May stat?

That's pretty crazy.

I'd love one.

Drake May is 24th in pass attempts in the NFL this season.

He is eighth in passing yards.

Wow.

That's a pretty good stat.

Yeah.

That's pretty damn efficient.

He's a deep ball merchant.

He's efficient, accurate,

total package.

Total package for total package.

Cover two killer.

Is that what they call him?

Yeah.

I've been watching a lot of film.

They have ranked third in offensive explosive plays this year,

which is, I mean,

those are the things that, like, if you can stop explosive plays and you can get a couple of explosive plays, that's a pretty good recipe to win a football game.

Have you thought about the fork in the road in this game, Hank, where if the Patriots play like you think they're going to play, I think your confidence train just keeps gaining momentum at that point?

I don't think you're going to spike up in confidence after this game if you beat the Browns handily, but I think you'll just be like, yep, okay, this is happening.

I'm rolling with it.

What if we 40-piece a really good defense?

If you 40-piece a really good defense, well, yeah, that's a good question for you.

That's a spiker.

What if?

That spikes you up?

Yeah.

Now, what if you lose to the Browns?

That'll be tough.

That would definitely be go back down to earth, reassess, regroup,

rethink some things, get ready for, you know, a second chance.

Would you say, like, well, the Packers lost to the Browns?

No.

You would not that because that doesn't care about the rest of the league.

No.

Yes.

And it's Joe Flacco.

If we lost to Joe Flacco and the Browns, it'd be different.

That's true.

If we lose to Dylan Gabriel and the Browns, even Shador,

I could live with that.

Like, Shador comes out.

He's been waiting to prove his moment and just goes off.

Fine.

You're doing the

fine.

You're doing the Sean Payton.

Dylan Gabriel, like, can't even throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field.

You're doing the Sean Payton right now.

You're like, I really hope they don't switch to Shador before we get to play him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is the first, the Browns are trying to win their first game in Foxborough since 1992.

They've had six different quarterbacks try to attempt it.

Baker, Jason Campbell, Derek Anderson, Tim Couch, Vinnie Teseverdi, and now Dylan Gabriel.

Last one to do it was Mike Tomzak.

Hmm.

There's a name.

By the way, I forgot a stat.

I apologize from the Bengals.

Did you guys know that last week, the Bengals winning with Joe Flacco, that was the first time that Zach Taylor won a football game with a quarterback not named Joe Burrow in September, October, or November?

No.

He was 1-17.

He was 0-17 until that win.

Because his first year, he won, what, two games?

He won two games.

He had Dalton and Ryan Finley.

He lost with Brandon Allen, Jake Browning.

He was 0-17 in the months of September, October, and November until Joe Flacco won that game.

Do we know is he a good coach?

Zach Taylor?

Yeah.

Is he a good coach?

Went to a Super Bowl.

He went to a Super Bowl.

He had Joe Burrow.

Went to a Super Bowl.

And then every year that the Bengals aren't good, those are years when Joe Burrow gets hurt.

Yep.

And so then you have to ask, like, well, he's winning a couple games with Jake Browning.

Does that make him good?

Went to a Super Bowl.

He went to a Super Bowl.

He didn't win a Super Bowl.

But no one expected him to go to that Super Bowl, so it's kind of a win.

Yeah.

I'm curious to know from Bengals fans, do you think that Zach Taylor is a good head coach?

I think the answer is probably going to be no.

I think, well, yeah.

Probably.

I think he's a good head coach.

Every city kind of hates their coach a little bit.

Yeah, he's adjacent.

Yeah.

Speaking of cities that hate their coach, Giants at Eagles, Eagles minus seven.

No, you don't hate Siriani anymore.

I never said I,

not this year did I say I hate Siriani.

Okay.

You haven't had crisis of confidence at any point.

For Sirianni?

Yes.

No.

You hate Petulo, though.

You hate Petulo.

He could improve.

This is all leading to the Eagles winning the Super Bowl and then us having, and Kevin Petullo getting a head coaching job and then us interviewing him at the Combine this year.

Yeah.

Max, have you thought about maybe contacting the FBI and saying, I think Kevin Petullo is in the banano crime family?

Might want to look into him.

Didn't think about that until you just said it.

Interesting thought, though.

Interesting thought.

So the Eagles are seven and a half point favorites.

The over-under is 43.5.

Max, how are you feeling about this game?

Obviously, two weeks ago,

the Giants embarrassed you.

The good news is, I think I saw a stat that

since 2008 or 2007, the Eagles haven't lost consecutive games

in a season, in a single season to the Giants.

So that's good.

Yeah, no, I still don't feel good about it because

the last time we played the Giants, it couldn't have looked worse.

But you didn't have Jalen Carter?

We didn't have Jalen Carter.

We didn't have Quinyon Mitchell.

But we're also not going to have Cam Jergens.

And I don't know what the fuck's going on with A.J.

Brown.

Yeah, what do you mean?

What do you mean by that?

You know what I mean?

What do you mean by that?

Something's going on with A.J.

Brown.

Something is going on with A.J.

Brown.

are you saying

his Instagram post where he said using me but not using me yeah yeah I don't it's insane he had 120 yards two touchdowns and for some reason he still thinks that

I have a theory I have a theory about AJ Brown it would kind of explain a lot about what we know about the guy um

I think he looks at his uh relationship with a football team and every time they go to him and they try to they try to exploit a weakness in the defense or they're like we got to stretch the field let's let's go to aj brown he's a great receiver a lot of receivers would be like yeah this is awesome they're knowing they understand that i'm an elite talent and they are getting me to score touchdowns in this offense that's a good thing i think with aj brown he feels like he's being used like they wouldn't pass him the ball if they didn't need him to win so fuck them it's like you're just using me so that you're using me not using me yeah you don't you don't appreciate me as a human being

you only appreciate me for my job that i can do so you're saying maybe the Eagles have to win a game where they use A.J.

Brown the perfect amount.

The perfect amount.

Yeah.

Like, hey, we're going to...

80 yards and a touchdown.

We're going to throw you the ball not because we think that you're going to score, but just because we value you as a human being.

Right.

And we feel like that would, we want you to be a good part of this team and contribute.

So you're not going to win that.

You're triple teamed.

Let's just try to pass you the ball anyways because that's that's showing us that we're not we're not exploiting you.

We're not taking advantage.

He thinks that they're like taking advantage of him because they they only throw the ball to him when they need to score.

When they really need to win and they need to show that their offense is broken.

Have they thought, have you thought maybe Jalen Hurts, maybe Nick Siriani just has to have Jalen Hurts and A.J.

Brown just have a good game of catch?

I don't know.

Jalen Hurts did another Fortune Cookie response.

Oh, I have.

I have America's favorite game.

It's called Fortune Cookie or Jalen Hurts.

Would you guys like to play?

Yes, I am familiar with this quote.

Okay.

No, no, I have a bunch of quotes because Jalen Hurts,

I was looking through it and it is, it's every single week, week, multiple, multiple quotes.

So I'm going to play, I'm going to give you a quote.

You guys are going to tell me if it's a fortune cookie or if it's Jalen Hurts.

You ready?

Whenever possible, keep it simple.

Jalen Hurts.

That's a fortune cookie.

Fuck.

Well, I mean,

that's grasping at straw.

Control the things.

No one says that.

Hold on.

Control the things that you can and move forward.

That's Jalen.

That's a fortune cookie.

That's Jalen Hurts.

That's also every coach.

You're just saying football.

Quite fine.

You know what?

Fuck the game.

I'll just give you all this fortune cookie quotes this week.

He said, you learn from all your experiences.

He said, accept the challenges when they come in.

Master the things that take no talent.

That's a good fortune cookie.

Yeah, that's good.

That's good.

That one is a really good one.

That's a good fortune cookie.

He said,

nothing is as good or bad as it appears.

That's a good one.

That's also not true.

It's also a fortune cookie.

There are some things that

are just one in.

Okay.

Because I was going to say, there are some things that are just as bad as they appear.

Control the things you can and move forward.

That's a Jalen Hurts.

That's also every coach in America.

Take advantages of your opportunities when they come.

That's such a fortune cookie.

Also, such every coach in America.

That's Jalen Hurts.

And hope to influence people in the best ways.

These are just

missing the one.

I have the one, but I'm just giving you the.

I just had some.

You have to admit, every single thing you just said is in every press conference and every football room in the country.

I was going to say that all those things that Big Cat just said, those are all true.

Yeah, this is all good advice.

He said, are you talking about the I just keep my focus on the collective?

The collective.

That's the one that.

Yeah.

He thought that was a fortune.

Well, in talks of A.J.

Brown, he was like, are you focused on what A.J.

Brown is doing?

And he's like, I'm focused on the collective.

So that's a no.

That's a hard no that he gave to what he was.

The collective.

Just keep keep your focus on the collective.

The team, the team, the team.

Max, good news, though.

You're wearing some cool jerseys this weekend.

Yeah, Kelly Green.

The Greens are back.

That's a great point.

Yeah, it doesn't matter.

You can't lose to the Giants.

Everything's home in the Kelly Greens.

Everything's better in the Kelly Greens.

A.J.

Brown's going to put on his uniform and be like,

this is awesome.

Yeah, I love it.

Saquon.

Saquon's going to go off.

The Kelly Greens, they're 4-0 in the Kelly Greens since bringing them back.

The Giants, on the other hand, the big question with the Giants is how do you get off the mat after what happened on Sunday?

This is the test of can they keep moving in the right direction?

Because it was a historical loss to the Broncos.

Jackson Dart and Cam Scatabue have obviously been electric.

The Giants' defense was good for three quarters.

It was great for three quarters.

Some questionable coaching.

This is where it's less about the Giants losing the game because the losses happen.

It's more do the Giants players still trust that their coaching staff is putting them in the best spot to win?

Because you had Dabel Duke go pretty conservative in the fourth quarter on the offensive side.

They did the rush three, drop eight at the end of the game.

So those are

the thoughts that creep in or like, hey, are these guys doing the right things when you have a loss like that?

Yeah, after the game, we saw Brian Burns going through the hallway, just like screaming out.

I think that that should be a no-cell phones policy in the tunnel right after a game.

Although I kind of like that he said it.

Yeah, I don't mind that he said it, but then it got turned into like, does he hate his coaching?

Does he hate the team?

Yes.

How mad is this guy?

Mad.

I think that's fine for him to, like, any human being would do that, but the fact that it was recorded.

I don't like that it was recorded.

Let the boys have a little bit of a safe space right after a tough loss.

But he clarified.

He said, what I was referring to is the fact that we called a call specifically to take away that play.

And the fact that Nick's wasn't even trying to throw it to Mems and it just so happened to be completed, it was kind of like disbelief.

That is true.

There's no way that we dropped eight, and we still couldn't stop that ball.

Yeah, Bodix was not trying to throw it to Mims in that play.

Yeah, so

he said that he was not frustrated by the call itself, by the play call, but he was rather upset that they had the perfect play call, and somehow it still worked.

Yeah.

So, Max, overall, you feel good?

I feel I feel good-ish.

I'm worried about Cam Juergens.

Our offensive line looked really bad after Cam Juergens went out last week.

It looks like he's probably not going to play again this week, and the Giants' defensive line is very good.

I would like to establish the run,

and the way our offensive line looked after Jergens went down does not look like we're going to be able to do that.

Can I push it?

Who knows?

Maybe we'll make some adjustments in practice.

I like saying, like, we got to establish the run.

That's a good football thing.

That's a great football thing to say.

We just haven't been able to run the running.

We got to establish the run.

But

if you look at where Saquon's getting his best rushes,

they're establishing the run.

They're just not following through on the run.

That's a good point.

They're just abandoning the establishment of the run.

They're setting up like a temporary colony and they're carving a name on a tree, and everyone's like, oh, a monster took over this colony.

Where did it all go?

They had 5.1 yards per carry with Saquon in the first quarter all season.

That's the season total.

Second quarter, 3.8 yards per carry.

Third quarter, 3.4 yards per carry.

Fourth quarter, 1.4 yards per carry.

So it gets worse and worse and worse as the game goes on.

I think you guys do a good job of establishing the run, but maybe

you might have to wait to establish the run.

Yeah, we have to be better at the run.

Yeah, yeah,

establishing the run was probably the wrong term.

By the way, this just idea.

We have part of my cheesesteak.

Do you think we could figure out a way to do football fortune cookies with part of my cheesesteak?

Imagine if you get a fortune cookie and you open it up, it says, make sure you establish the run.

A fortune

heat up the quarterback.

What about a fortune cheesesteak?

Fortune, I don't know, I don't know what that is.

You just put it in

the middle, giant

foot-long piece of paper.

Dude, but

fortune cookies that are just football cliches, not the Jalen Hurts football clichés, but just, you know, you got to be able to win.

You got to be able to rush forward and win.

Yeah.

You're going to have to pin your ears back today.

Yeah.

Dial something up.

Don't forget to take the check down.

Defense has to fly around out there.

We should do that.

I don't know how it would work, but I'm down to sell fortune, football, fortune cookies.

Why did cookies become the thing that you put a fortune in?

Like before you have dessert?

They should be in condoms.

Yeah.

A fortune condom.

Like, you sure you want it?

Hey, you sure?

Really make sure you put this on.

Yeah.

Don't take this off.

Fucking numbers.

Yeah, fortune cookies.

We need to get football, fortune cookies.

Hank, you can get on that, right?

Yeah.

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Would you like to make a bet?

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I don't actually think it will.

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Okay, next up, we got Bears at Ravens.

Ravens minus six and a half.

It's bounced around a little because Lamar, I think it went to five and a half.

Then Lamar came out for practice, went back to six and a half.

Did you see the Lamar video from earlier this week?

No, the over-under is 49.5, by the way.

It was Lamar video.

So Lamar, I guess it was during his off week or as he was rehabbing, trying to get his hamstring ready.

A video came out of him ordering food at like a food truck down in Miami, I think.

Okay.

And we always say every year Lamar will miss like three practices because his butt sucks.

Yeah.

Because he's got some butt issues.

This is the greasiest meal that I've ever seen.

It looks delicious, don't get me wrong.

Was it a recent video?

It's a recent video.

Okay, yeah, because that's been happening to Caleb.

There was a video of him going into a club in Miami, and people were like, wow, I can't believe he went to a club in Miami in the middle of the football.

I saw that with like three models.

It was like six months ago.

Yeah, by the way, awesome video.

Very cool video.

But no, this is a recent video.

He's getting the greasiest meal that you've ever seen.

It looks delicious.

It looks like something I would absolutely love to eat while I was really, really stoned.

But Lamar getting this just makes me a little bit worried about his butt as he's recovering.

I don't know that that stomach can handle what's going on.

But to me,

the real story of this game

is the ping-pong battle.

We've got a cold war of ping-pong battles going on right now.

It's making me very nervous.

Yeah, the Ravens removed their ping-pong tables, the pinball machine from the locker room.

Sorry about that.

It's time to focus.

Harbaugh said that it caught him off guard.

Harbaugh said that he found out from the team equipment manager that they had been removed.

And they said that it was actually.

that the vets did it, that the

players said, hey, this is time to take a stand.

It's time to get all the fun and games out of the line.

Well, the vets are probably don't play.

Losers.

I have a hard and fast rule when a team removes a ping-pong table from, I mean, that means they're ready to win.

Or if they add one.

Or if they add one.

And then

what I didn't like, so I was already nervous because the Ravens removed the ping pong table from their facility.

What makes me really nervous is then the Bears poked fun at it.

The Bears did an ad read where I think it was TJ Edwards and Tremaine Edmonds playing ping-pong, playing all kinds of games.

You can't poke at a team getting serious and removing a ping-pong table.

The old saying, you can't poke the Raven.

Yeah.

So

I don't know where I'm going into this game.

Thinking the Ravens might kill the Bears.

Okay.

You've been saying that for a couple weeks.

I've been saying it for a couple weeks.

The gateway, everything I've said has been prophetic.

It does look like the Ravens,

we had every expectation for the Ravens.

They got really injured.

They had to buy.

It makes sense that you would think that the Ravens are going to come out, and this is like the most desperate game that they have.

I'm praying I'm wrong, but

I think I've been very level-headed about the Bears this year.

That's mostly because Ben Johnson is the coach, and that was a big question because the Bears are actually at the exact same spot they were last year, four and two.

The difference is we have Ben Johnson Johnson as a coach and not Matt Dweberfloos.

I'm very honest about the Bears.

They are working their way into trying to become a good team.

They also are taking the ball away at an insane pace that will not be sustainable.

So what will it look like when they don't get a bunch of interceptions?

I think it was 15 takeaways in the last four games.

You can't expect that every single week.

So I'm coming into this game very nervous that it could be a whomping.

I'm hoping I'm wrong.

I'm hoping Caleb plays his ass off.

The Ravens have gotten healthier on defense.

Kyle Hamilton, Roquan, a bunch of guys back.

Marlon Humphrey, I think, was sick, but he's back.

This is, I'm nervous about this game.

I'm bracing.

I'm basically going into this game in a fetal position, ready for the worst, hoping for the best.

Something good could happen.

Yeah.

Cooper Rush could play.

Yeah, and if you don't win, then you were just right all along.

Makes you feel good about it.

I would

probably take the Bears plus six and a half.

This is a desperate team.

This is the point in the season when you have desperate teams trying to win games and desperate teams, you know, it's just a

different animal.

Is Cole Komet playing?

I believe so.

Although our

injury report was extensive on Wednesday.

Yeah.

Extensive.

So, yeah, if Cole Komet doesn't play,

could that be a good thing?

It could.

We haven't been targeting a lot of tight ends, period, because I know there's a Cold War going on about the Bears passing on Tyler Warren.

Tyler Warren's been awesome.

Tyler Warren has had 45 targets.

Colson Loveland has had 13.

So he's just, they're not being asked to do the same thing.

I'm going to wait a little bit longer to say that that was a complete miss, because when Colson Loveland has been asked to catch the ball, he's done some nice things.

I don't think it'd be a good thing.

I'm not saying that Cole Komet stinks.

I'm just saying at least you know what you have in Colson, if you're forced to throw the ball at him a little bit.

And this probably isn't the week for like, let's see what we got in Colson Loveland.

Yeah.

This the week for run the football.

This is all hands on deck.

Run the football.

They haven't been able to stop the run.

Run the football.

Also, Marlon Humphrey's sickness, he tweeted the day before he was out of practice for an illness.

He said, should I do a Glizzy taste tour around the country one day?

50 states, 50 Glizzies.

He definitely was eating a hot dog when he said that.

He definitely got sick from it.

Yeah, he also, he's had some bad food takes recently.

Has he?

I like that he's out there making tea.

Yeah, I do too.

I do too.

But this is what he said on October 20th.

I guess this was the day before the Glizzy taste test.

Had to be said, but boneless wings are way better.

I mean,

they're chicken nuggets.

I am not someone who goes against boneless wings because I do think there's a time and place for boneless wings, but they're not better.

Yeah, wings are not boneless.

Wings have bones in them.

But boneless it's Big Nugget that's trying to make themselves seem like they're as cool as chicken wings.

You'll never be as cool as chicken wings.

Boneless buffalo though, there is a time and place where it hits the spot.

We're like, hey, I don't want to get messy.

I don't want to have things in my teeth.

I just want to have some buffalo sauce and some chicken in the easiest way possible.

Still, bone in are better.

Those are wings.

It's the mocktail of chicken.

It's like, yeah, it's different.

Just call it juice.

I'm having juice.

Sometimes you'd rather a blowjob than sex.

Yeah.

You just sit back and just kind of just sit there.

You don't have to do anything.

That's boneless wings.

That's boneless wings?

That's boneless wings.

You sit back, you don't have to do anything.

I think blowjobs are way better than boneless wings.

Yeah, I'm just saying the analogy of like, you know, it's hard.

Sex is awesome.

When you eat wings, it's awesome, but you also got to go.

You got to do some work.

You got to go bone in.

You got to do some work.

Yeah, you go bone in.

You got to make some moves.

Blowjob and boneless wings, you can kind of just sit back and enjoy.

Yeah, especially you got like a little ranch sauce.

I'm a blue cheese guy.

Cut into it.

I like ranch with boneless.

I like blue cheese with bone in.

Oh, yeah.

Switching up.

Switch back and forth.

That's where I go.

So, yeah, do you guys think the Bears have a chance in this game?

You're not Hungry Dog and Bears.

You are?

I'm not.

I'm thinking about it.

Like I said, the Hungry Dog is not set in stone.

It probably won't be until Saturday, but the Bears are on the big board for sure.

It's a measuring stick game for me.

The Hunter Dogs are, in fairness, but

the Bears are one of them.

I will say if Lamar plays and plays well, and the Bears somehow win this game, we might be moving on from six out of 10.

The tough thing, though, is if you guys win this game, then the story is just going to be the Ravens are broken.

Yeah.

Like, it's time to stop defeating the Ravens.

They're just not good.

But, yeah, this is a big time.

I guess we're going to see,

we're going to learn a lot about the Chicago Bears this week.

Yeah, I would agree.

And I'm not going to overreact.

If we get killed, it's like, okay, the Ravens are desperate and need to win every game, and they got healthy.

So, and Ben Johnson, I trust Ben Johnson.

That's where it's different than last year, where I don't think the wheels are just going to fall off.

Did you guys see how much Ben Johnson clicks his pen during a game?

No, it's crazy.

He's clicking.

I don't know.

Someone made a super cut of him clicking his pen.

He's just clicking the whole time.

I like it.

Ben Johnson.

Yeah, he's ready to go.

There also is Wiener Circle did say that they will give free hot dogs to the entire city if Ben Johnson goes shirtless at any point during this season.

I want to see him shirtless.

I think he's a hot guy.

He's checked up.

Yeah.

I think he's a good-looking dude, and I would like to see what he's working with.

Can you play it?

Sound?

He's just clicking.

Yeah.

He's just clicking.

He's got very active all the time.

I like that.

He's got to just stay busy.

You've got to have something.

Got to stay busy.

Okay, next game.

Speaking of desperate teams.

So similar to what I just said about the Ravens, I'm going to do the same thing.

Or I'm not going to bet the Ravens, but I have the same thoughts about the 49ers going to the Texans.

Texans minus one and a half.

Over-under, I believe, is hovering around 41.5.

Let me just make sure.

41.5.

Texans are desperate.

They need to win a game.

I smell a rat with this line.

Yeah, why?

Because it's making me want to bet the 49ers so badly.

Oh, see, I like the Texans in this game.

Obviously, not because of their offense.

Nico Collins might be out.

Christian Kirk might be out.

I don't know who they're going to throw to.

They basically have a bunch of Iowa State guys they're going to throw to.

I'm more...

gonna bet the Texans because their defense is the best unit on the field.

And the 49ers, Mac Jones looked good, but

this is a a different defense.

This is a top defense.

And so I think they could maybe find a way to win this game with their defense.

And the 49ers continue to get injured.

They obviously lost Fred Warner.

They obviously lost Bosa.

They now lost Huff.

How are the 49ers going to take advantage of the Texans' weakness, which is their offensive line?

Yeah, no, it's a fair point.

And the Texans' offense that we just saw on Monday night, that is...

That's as bad as it can be, I think.

And the fact that it was a national game, it was standalone, it made everybody really have to focus on the Texans' offense collectively for like two and a half hours.

Right.

And we have a very, very bad taste in our mouth for that.

So that's what I'm thinking about when I see the 49ers who are, I think that

they're like the best version of a super injured team that you could possibly be right now.

Yeah.

They might actually be the team that's going to get healthy at the right time.

And I think that the Niners,

is this the stat that every year that they're 5-2, they get to the Super Bowl?

I know that they get to at least the NFC Championship game.

Yeah, maybe, yeah, at least the NFC Championship.

Because they've lost a couple of those.

They might, obviously, with Fred Warner.

That's an injury that's going to stick around for the entire season.

But they've got some guys that will get healthy later on in the year.

Brock Purdy soft benching.

Soft benching.

Soft benching?

Is it the soft benching win?

I think Mac Jones is in danger of being soft benched when Brock Purdy comes back.

We'll see.

This is.

If Mac Jones wins this game.

Are we sure the right guy is playing quarterback in the fourth?

I'm not going to abandon Brock Purdy.

I just want to do it so bad.

Here's one thing I know about Big Cat: he watches a fair amount of college football.

But your takes in college football, it's really impossible to get your college football takes out of your head once those guys become professional football players.

And so for the last three years, you've been thinking, yeah, but Brock, I saw a lot of Brock Purdy at Iowa State.

I think he's a good quarterback.

I'm just saying, Mac Jones has been playing well.

And it's, do you

is Brock Purdy a

he's good?

He's good.

You want to say System QB?

No.

Well, I mean, Mac Jones also.

I think Kyle Shannon is the common denominator in all.

So I think, because I've been looking at this situation for the last couple of weeks, and I keep saying Brock Purdy, the knock against him is System QB.

The knock against Mac Jones is game manager.

So you've got a system QB

first game manager.

I feel like System QB is slightly higher in the hierarchy of quarterback tiers.

But Mac Jones hasn't been game managing.

They've been asking him to throw a decent amount.

He's not, like, there's games, the game against the Rams, that was the opposite of game manager.

They had, yeah, that was the only thing.

He threw it 49 times.

He threw it 39 times against the Bucks.

He threw it 41 times against the Cardinals.

I don't think Mac Jones is a game manager.

I think,

here's my final answer.

Both quarterbacks are fine.

It's okay to be a system quarterback when Kyle Shanahan is a system.

Yeah, I would put Brock Purdy still above Mac Jones.

I would too, but the system rocks.

That's a great system.

Kyle Shanahan is a system coach.

Just saying, Mac Jones has been playing pretty well.

It's the last name.

If you're a Shanahan, you know how to run an offense.

Mac Jones has been playing pretty well.

He's 4-1.

He's 4-1 with the 49ers.

I'm choosing to take a big picture perspective about the 49ers, and I'm reluctantly believing in the 49ers this season.

Yeah, no, I think they're a very good team, and if they can get healthy,

they'll be definitely definitely in the mix for the NFC.

D'Amico Ryan's coaching against the Niners for the first time.

Yep.

Since he's become a head coach.

That'll be fun.

I don't think it's a revenge game, though.

I think I feel like all of Kyle Shanahan's former defensive coordinators are on good terms because at some point you might have to come home.

Yeah.

Do you want to do a quick blind resume?

Yeah.

Last 17 starts.

QB1, 26 touchdowns, 11 interceptions, 87 passer rating.

QB2, 19 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, 83.9 passer rating.

I would take QB1.

Yeah.

QB1 is Bryce Young.

QB2 is CJ Stroud.

I like that.

I like that we're having the conversation.

I like that we're having the conversation.

Good blind resume.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I did not sell my Bryce coin.

Nope.

I held.

You're in Bryce's.

We might be going.

I am a card carrying member of Bryce's.

We might be going to the moon.

This feels like we're going to the moon.

And we had to listen to all, you know, the, did the, how badly did the Panthers fuck up by taking Bryce over CJ?

I never heard us talk about that on this show,

but other people have.

And now it's time for Bryce.

Yeah.

Okay, afternoon games.

We have the Bucs going to the Saints.

Saints plus four and a half.

How you feeling, Zach?

How you feeling?

You need a bounce back after that Monday night game, which was not a fun watch for Bucs fans.

Over-under's 46.5.

I feel good about it.

Division game.

Baker was in the press conference earlier this week talking about how Saints, you know, play a little, not, I'm not going to say play dirty, but play a little unnecessarily aggressive.

Yeah, he said it hasn't exactly been clean play from their part when we play him.

Not much else to say besides the fact that I don't like him.

And I like when he goes into games with a grudge.

He plays well with a grudge.

This sounded like he found something to play for.

We need to bounce back.

Let's bounce back real high.

Yeah, I'm going to read the injury report from yesterday to you guys.

I want to get your feedback on this.

Bucks quarterback Baker Mayfield was officially limited in practice today because of a knee injury.

Backup quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, parentheses, teeth, did not practice.

What's wrong with Teddy's teeth?

Did he get wisdom teeth removed?

Maybe wisdom teeth removal.

Maybe he went veneers, new smile.

Did he go grill?

He got a cavity?

I don't know, but that concerns me that your backup quarterback is missing practice because

you've got to schedule your dentist appointment outside of practice.

What?

He says,

okay, so brutal teeth injury is what I just saw the headline.

I'm trying to find exactly what happened.

But you never want to see brutal teeth injury.

I don't know if that was a joke.

Teeth injuries are always some of the most unsettling injuries.

They are.

You see them.

Teeth injury.

Hockey player wouldn't mispractice.

A brutal teeth injury.

Yeah.

Rare malady.

Okay, here we go.

Backup quarterback Teddy Bridge Rogers did not practice at all yesterday, just two days after he made his Bucs debut on Monday night, taking a knee to kill the clock.

The reason the Bucs gave is teeth.

And then do we have...

What?

We don't have any...

What happened to him?

Yeah, what happened to his teeth?

What's up with Teddy's teeth?

I don't think there's an answer to his teeth.

Bridgewater has some sort of dental issue that prevented him from taking snaps in a Jocks and Sox practice.

Because this seems like...

What the fuck is that?

What?

Jocks and socks?

Probably just like, you know, shells and shorts.

But

you can't schedule a dentist appointment like teeth cleaning during a practice.

No.

Right?

Like if we were taking part of my take and Hank made a dentist appointment for Sunday night, it's like that's the one, any other time of the week is fine.

Infected root canal.

That's bad.

That's bad.

That's really bad.

So we have to get that shit drained.

That's really bad.

So he maybe went to a shady dentist.

Someone who could get, yeah, anyone who could get him in the door.

Yeah.

Okay.

See that mouth tattoo.

I I think the dental industry needs to be studied, but that's for another time.

Go on.

Yes, please.

Now it's down time.

It just feels like

it just feels like the dentist, you go in and you leave with more problems than you had going in every time.

And I don't know.

And they pop up everywhere.

You see a new building getting built.

You're like, maybe that's a Starbucks.

Maybe that's a La Quinta.

And no, it's always a dentist office.

Yeah.

I think Zach's going off of a story I told him about the last time I went to the dentist.

I went in, my teeth are feeling completely fine.

They said I had a couple cavities.

I walked out, my teeth hurt.

My teeth hurt for a couple months, and then I went back in and I was like, Hey, I think something happened when you filled these cavities.

My teeth hurt.

And they're like, Nah, they're fine.

So, Zach has Zach has been on the case about this.

Okay, it's in their look.

He's your actually

brothers' keeper.

It's in their best interest to keep you in pain, to keep you coming back.

It is interesting because

they felt fine.

I got cavities, then they hurt.

After they filled the cavities,

then they checked you eat.

Just regular.

Yeah, just regular.

Which is too much because I am

the standard candy.

Yeah,

the normal candy.

The normal of like two to three candies a day.

Yeah.

Little ones, though.

Yeah.

No, it's on a two to three king size.

Yeah.

No.

They try to take away your treats.

Little ones don't even really count.

Agreed.

They're nothing.

Yeah.

They're fun stairs.

They're just little.

I kind of like the Saints in this game.

Why?

Division opponent at home, getting points.

That's really it.

It's one of those games I don't want to think too hard about because if I think too hard about it, it's going to be like, you're betting Spencer Rattler against Baker Mayfield.

That was stupid.

Yeah.

So I'm just going to wash my brain of everything and just say, oh, it's a divisional game at home plus points.

I miss Bucky.

Yeah.

Bring back Bucky.

He also is looking kind of skinny.

Bucky is?

Yeah.

I don't know.

He's got a...

Did you see those pictures?

No, I didn't see them.

He's light on his feet.

Yeah, maybe he's light on his feet.

Find the Bucky pictures.

He's looking a little.

He looked a little skinny in a picture I saw.

You just search Bucky Skinny.

I feel like that's not going to.

Bucky Irving.

That doesn't look skinny.

He's jacked up.

He looked jacked up there.

All right, there it is.

That one.

Yeah, it might be a bad angle.

That picture does make him look a little skinny.

I think it's a bad angle.

Okay.

Taken from above.

I'm still.

I'm more concerned with Billie Eilish's choice of background music that he put on his Instagram story.

Yeah.

By the way, I did a bad job.

I skipped the game.

Billie Eilish.

Is he trying to be the bad guy?

Bucky's not the bad guy.

Is Billy a bad girl?

That's one of her songs.

Oh.

I knew that.

It's a good song.

I'm the bad guy.

Duh.

I did a bad job.

I skipped the game early, so we got to go backwards.

Bills at Panthers.

Yeah.

Panthers are plus seven and a half.

Josh Allen and the Bills, last time we saw them, they did not look good on Monday night football against the Falcons.

They had a bye week.

Over-under is 46.5.

Are we trusting the Panthers at home with Andy Dalton soft-benching Bryce Young?

No, I'm not.

I think

this is going to be a good week for Josh Allen.

I did see a...

a crazy stat that went around earlier this week.

Josh Allen passed touchdowns of 20-plus air yards.

From 2020 to 2023, he had 27 of those passes, tied for third in the NFL.

Since 2024, so the last season and a half, he's had one,

which is tied for 37th, meaning that there's, what, four or five backup quarterbacks that have more than one.

Ooh.

So, not necessarily a bad Josh Allen stat, but maybe a bad Bills wide receiver stat, maybe a bad Joe Brady stat.

But if you're winning football games, it doesn't really matter, right?

Yes.

In fact, it might be better to just hang on to the football, go on long drives, and then score touchdowns.

Yeah, then score that one.

Than to score really fast.

Yeah.

But it's still, it's an interesting stat because, yeah, obviously you can point at that and be like, Diggs kind of made a difference in this offense.

Having a guy that you trust to throw the ball downfield to does make a difference in terms of the explosiveness, which if you're playing from behind, you need that ability.

But if you're playing with a lead, not necessarily.

Yeah.

So I want to take the Panthers, but then I saw a story that Josh Allen's grandmother called him and said, I just want to see you smile.

He's going to do it for grandma.

He's going to smile for grandma.

Yeah, grandma.

The grandma game.

The grandma narrative is very important.

If you're thinking about betting on Sunday, just see who's checked in with their grandmother at any point.

Because that feels important.

Doesn't it?

It feels very important.

You will do anything.

You will go to the ends of the earth to make Nana smile.

Mm-hmm.

The last two times the Blue Jays have gone to the World Series, the Bills have gone to the Super Bowl.

Oh, that's cool.

How'd that end up?

Good for the Blue Jays.

Yeah, good for the Blue Jays.

Joe Carter.

Did you see, too, Dave Canalis talking about Robert Hunt, his interior offensive lineman who's on the IR?

He said, guys that believe that they heal fast, heal fast.

It's true.

Yeah.

Power positive thinking.

You got to say you're going to heal fast, then you heal fast.

It's only a scratch, yeah.

Fun stat about Sean mcdermott eight no after the buy okay so that's that actually good for the bills that it feels relevant and for whatever hot streak that the panthers are on with the meowmex stuff that is also very closely tied in with with bryce yeah so i i don't know andy dalton's he could show up and look like flacco or he could show up and look like Flacco.

Yeah.

The bad one.

Jets Flacco.

Yeah.

I think the Panthers would be smart to not have Andy Dalton throw it very much in this game because the Bills, the spine of their defense is not good.

They've been run on a lot.

Maybe they fixed it in the bye.

You have Rico Dowdle.

Just run the ball.

And if you're a Bills fan, I think this is a game you have to kind of treat it like a get-right game.

Let's see something out of the boys.

Let's get back on track.

Yeah, I think this might be the weekend that the Bills' defense looks alive.

Okay.

I think they start to turn it around.

Andy Dalton could help that.

Andy could help that.

He could very much help that.

Okay, afternoon.

We already talked about the Bucks and the Falcons, or sorry, the Bucks and the Saints.

Let's go, Cowboys, Broncos.

I'm excited for this game because the Cowboys are top five watch in the NFL right now because of their offense and how good it is.

So Cowboys, Broncos, Broncos are three and a half point favorites.

Over-under is 50.5.

I think we all already knew this, but Sean Payton really, really hates Russell Wilson.

Yep.

Really hates him.

Yep.

So he said this week, what was the exact quote?

It was something like, I just told Brian Dable, Dable, I hope that you don't make the switch.

It was along the lines of, I was hoping to not have to face Jackson Dart because I think he's a really good quarterback.

And then Russ saw that, responded, it's not a secret that Russ sucks.

Yeah.

The fact that Russ fired back, though, that hurt.

Do you think that was the time?

Do you think Russ finally realized, oh, he didn't like me?

No, I think he's known, but Russ has tried to be the good soldier afterwards.

And now that he's been, she's like, I don't have anything left to play for.

Yeah.

Might as well.

But also, Russ, you have to to know that you suck now.

Yeah.

Like, it's been bad.

It's been really

bad for the last two seasons.

And there's no chance that you think that you're still the old Russ Wilson.

Oh, he definitely does.

I don't think.

I think at this point.

Him in his head, he definitely thinks he's still the Russ Wilson.

I think at this point, he knows.

No, guys like that.

Guys like that?

Russie knows.

Guys like that,

they still think it.

Yeah.

By the way, I have a bet in this game I love.

You ready for it?

Longest field goal made over 53 and a half.

I posted it.

Yeah.

Okay.

Brandon Aubrey in mile high.

I mean, they

attempt a 70-yarder.

What are the odds on that?

It is minus 110.

Yeah, I'm going to take that.

Yeah.

I'm going to hammer that one.

Brandon Aubrey,

he might kick from 75.

That's what I'm saying.

Let me try from 80.

Might as well just fuck around and do it.

I do kind of like the Cowboys.

First-round pick.

He would be a first-round pick if he makes an 80-yard field goal.

I like the Cowboys in this game just because of the Broncos are just a fuck-around team.

They've been fucking around too much.

So when you give me three and a half, I'll take it.

And be like, guess what?

The Broncos are probably going to win, but they're going to fuck around.

It's not going to be clean.

They're going to fuck around.

So, yeah, I kind of like the Cowboys in this game.

Are they in the Hungry Dog?

The Hungry Dog is not set.

Okay.

You keep asking that, and I keep saying it's not set.

Well, I mean, we'd like it to be at least a little bit set for the people.

Throw a couple names out there.

we're doing a show people i've been saying i i've been saying the teams that i like i don't like to pick on thursday like do you have your sunday picks all locked in yeah you you literally make me do that on advisors every single wednesday no you pick five games and that's for advisors on wednesday morning the cowboys are going to be part of it though yeah bears

i like the jets but that one's hard to hard to wrap your head around i like the giants but like there's this bias thinking that i only pick against the eagles that's not true but i love the giants

I like the Saints, but that one seems crazy.

I like the Titans, but that seems crazy.

I like the Cowboys.

The Titans, will you do

this 19?

I can tell you right now, it's going to be Giants, Cowboys, Bears.

That's what it's going to be.

No, because

the Giants aren't beating the Eagles twice.

Like, that's not going to happen.

That's just not going to happen.

I agree with that.

As much as I want it to, I don't think it's going to.

Yeah.

Do you remember?

But, like, the Titans, Titans, Jets would be the craziest hungry dog of all time.

But that was my gut.

I did bet it for a little bit myself, but that just, I can't do that to the people.

Titans?

Exactly.

Exactly.

Why?

Exactly.

Why?

Exactly.

Is there a good reason?

Let me tell you, is there a reason?

It's the NFL.

Fair.

It is the NFL.

It's a reasonable thing.

And Daniel Jones,

Daniel Jones, MVP, Colts, one number one seed.

This happens every year.

We talk about it every year.

There's always these games where

they never should lose this game, and somehow they do.

And it's like, how the fuck did, you know, when we're talking in yes and also yes.

I have a question, eh?

Yes, also, yes.

So you're betting on the Titans for really nothing.

I have no reason on the Titans.

No reason whatsoever.

Can I finish my question?

Let me finish my question.

Hank, shut the fuck up and let me facts my correctly and yes.

Shut the fuck up.

Turn his mic off.

Max said, cut his mic off.

I told him to shut the fuck up and rule out.

Turn his mic off meme.

I did not cut the man's mic off.

Explicitly say I'm betting the Titans.

Hank?

I just said it.

I had a question.

I was called on.

Well, yeah, and then you can't.

I get to slander.

been called on.

Speaks facts correctly.

I did not slander.

I told you to shut the fuck up.

That's a statement.

It's a demand.

That was not what I was ready.

It's not slander.

Does the fact that you're betting.

You're ant me?

Yeah.

That's what we're doing now?

Have we learned our lesson?

Yeah.

Okay.

Why?

When else did he ant you?

Oh, in the golf video that Hank and I had.

We were playing for $6,000.

It was a big match.

The match, people were calling it.

Where can people watch that?

They can watch it on the part of my take YouTube.

Yep.

And great job with the editing on that.

And then on the third hole, I believe.

Shout out, Pug.

On the third hole, I was putting for par, putting for my four.

And Hank, I believe, was sitting on a five or maybe a six.

I think it was a six.

Yeah, probably.

And Hank,

after I said, I'm putting for, I've got two putts to win this.

Hank goes, what are you hitting right now?

I said, a four.

And Hank goes,

I uh, when I was in fact putting for my par

okay, so you're hitting six?

Yeah.

Okay.

So two putts to win it.

What are you hitting?

Four.

Par.

One.

Two.

Eh.

What?

Yeah, no, it's four.

Eh.

Went right there.

Did he just buzz your money?

Plug that.

And then he hit it onto the green.

One.

Yeah, okay.

Yep.

Two.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Eh.

Call me a liar.

Watching that, and I love Hank.

He's one of, you know, outside of my immediate family, he is one of the people who's closest to me in life.

We've been through a lot.

I don't think I've ever hated him more than in that moment.

That was,

I wanted to punch you through the screen.

That's when I texted you and was like, it's tense.

Super tense.

I was playing for a lot.

Like, I understand, and I know that I'm not the most likable person.

That's not true, especially like,

I think there's situations, like a lot of situations, like me and PFC play a lot of golf.

And I would say 85% of the time it's very fun and like we're having a good time.

And like it is a fun time.

And I did propose playing for this much money, but it's like, yeah, like when we're playing for that much money,

it's going to be a little more serious.

And I'm probably going to, you know, come off like an asshole, but I don't really care because it's like, we're playing for a lot of money.

You were in psycho mode.

The running over the ball thing.

That was just funny.

Like, that's where it's like, I also think people take me too seriously when it's like, yeah, no, like, you got to play it.

You ran over it.

That was just.

But you wanted me to play.

yeah, obviously, but like, I don't like it.

I did, yeah, we took you too seriously, but also, you meant it, yes, yeah.

I listen, Hank, I was not upset.

No, and that's yeah, I knew that the entire time, because I knew that Hank was like locked into a different zone.

Hank was in like super competitive psycho, which goes badly for me most of the time.

But it's good for the viewers, it's great for the viewers.

Nothing care.

Hank was actually like, he was upset, he was pissed off, he was being a competitor.

I was just there, like, this is fun.

I'm having fun out here.

But then, when you at me, that put me into just more of a state of disbelief.

I was like, I can't believe that Hank called me a liar, that he did the sound effect.

It was really a sound effect.

If you had been like,

Are you sure?

You sure you're putting four or four or is that a five?

I would have talked it over with you, but you sounded a buzzer on me.

Yeah, no, that was a mistake.

Hand up,

left hand up.

My bad.

This golf video is a completely different vibe than any other one that we've ever done.

Like, there was

it wasn't very funny.

It was like real.

It was like

Hank really wanted to win that match.

It was $6,000.

So we have

part one came out on Wednesday.

He won that one.

The listeners listened to the

listener.

We'll have to go watch.

Go watch.

And then Friday.

Like PFT.

And then there's a second part that comes out today.

So that'll be out.

If you're listening to this Friday morning, it'll be out sometime Friday afternoon.

And it's not like Hank played that poorly.

Shut up.

I just shot a 40.

Yeah.

No, you did.

Didn't lose a hit.

No spoilers, though.

No spoilers.

Okay, back to my question for Hank.

Yeah.

We're talking about the Colts and the Titans.

Hank is betting on the Tennessee Titans for some mysterious reason, but I think that I've cracked the reason why.

Hank, is it because you do not want the Colts to get the one seat in the AFC because you think that the Patriots will get the one seat?

And this is a key game to you guys retaining the one seed.

It's not a key game because it's not a game that the Colts should lose.

So I would not call it a key game.

But as fans, there's only so much we can do to propel our teams to the promised land.

And one of those things that I think I can do is just betting against my enemies at all states and facets so I can be happy if they do, in fact, lose.

So,

yes, there is a little bit of that.

That's a lot of it.

I'd say that's probably 100%.

Would you say

more or less than 100% of the reason?

It's like, you know, Baker Mayfield play Monday night football.

I love Baker, but then it's like, ooh, he's in the MVP conversations.

Like, kind of, hope he doesn't play as well.

Ooh, Colts are playing the Titans.

They're obviously going to win, but like, what if they lose?

It'd be fun to profit off that.

Let's get on the ride.

And also, point differential is one of the tiebreakers against common opponents.

And you guys just recently beat the Titans 31-13.

So the Colts are 14-point favorites.

This is the last game in the afternoon.

Titans?

At the Colts?

You're going to do it?

Colts are just good, man.

They're just really good.

I know you don't want it to be true.

No, they are.

But it's Daniel Jones, like, is he

good now?

Is he a pumpkin?

But is it like a.

Is he a pumpkin?

Yeah, it's about that.

He's good now.

By the way, that actually, I saw a stat since 2015.

The only other team to start 6-1

with a win total, gambling win total of 7.5 or under preseason.

So expected to be a bad team, was

Daniel Jones in 2022 with Joyce.

Good for him.

So he's done it before.

Good for him.

They went to the playoffs.

They won a playoff game in Minnesota.

Remember?

That's right.

That was a wild game.

Offensive TDs scored this season.

Jonathan Taylor, 11.

The Las Vegas Raiders, 10.

The Tennessee Titans, 6.

Six offensive Titans.

Jonathan Taylor has 11.

The Titans have 6.

That's so depressing.

Yeah.

It is depressing.

I do like Cam Ward's.

I saw a press conference where

he asked a reporter to repeat a play call, and the reporter fucked it up.

And he's like, you would have just gotten, and Cam Ward's like, you would have just gotten sacked.

So he's at least having fun with that.

I like that.

Good for him.

I like everything about Cam Ward except for how he's played football.

Yes.

And the Titans in general.

And the Titans in general.

I liked him last year.

Yeah.

It might be like him again next year on the football field.

But right now, he's checking every box that I want to see from a new quarterback except for playing quarterback.

Yep.

He is, by the way,

the Titans have last beat the Colts 1096 days ago.

That's a long time.

It's a long time.

That's a long time.

Does it change this weekend, Hank?

Probably not.

Titans' money line, though.

Listen, it's not going to be the Hungry Dog, but I will probably be taking it personally.

The Henry Dog.

Wait, that's a different bet.

Yeah.

The Henry Dog.

What's the Henry Dog this week?

I don't have him locked in, big cat.

I don't.

I don't.

No, but the Henry Dog is something different.

Correct.

The Henry Dog is the Titans to win,

the Panthers to win against the Bills.

This is the Henry Dog we're talking about now.

I don't

know.

You don't have to answer your trouble.

You got to get the Henry Dog going.

I will.

I do every week.

No, but different than the Hungry Dog.

It's for me.

It's the bets that I make for Henry.

No secret dog.

Nope.

Parcel DraftKings, Sportsbook app, Parcel Betting Group.

All my picks are posted.

No, but it's a a personal bet.

The Henry Dog is such a great bet.

We don't publicize it.

It's something that you do just for the love of the game.

Yeah, it's just like, yeah, it's my heart.

There's no sound

betting advice that I usually go off.

It's wouldn't this be cool?

Yeah, Henry Dog just being Patrick Mahomes to throw three interceptions every week.

The Henry Dog.

Can we go back real quick to the Cowboys Broncos game?

There's a quote that I wanted to bring up to you guys that gets lost with everything that happens in the NFL.

Sometimes we forget to look back back to what's happened in the past, back in the mid-2000s, when Sean Payton was the quarterback coach underneath Bill Parcells for the Dallas Cowboys.

And by the way, Sean Payton, I think we all in this room thought that he would eventually become the Dallas Cowboys head coach at some point.

Yep, we basically expected it for years on years and years.

We did.

So back in 2004, Bill Parcells was the head coach, and he was talking about how things go in practice when you've got Sean Payton calling plays going up against Mike Zimmer's defense, calling plays on defense.

And he said, you've got to keep an eye on those two because they're going to try to get the upper hand.

Bill Parcel said about Sean Payton and Mike Zimmer.

Mike wants the defense to do well.

And Sean, he's going to have a few,

no disrespect for the Orientals, but what we call

jap plays.

Yeah.

Surprise things.

Sneak attacks.

It's the jap plays from Sean Payton.

By the way,

no disrespect to the Orientals.

Yeah.

But jap plays.

He got it.

He double offended.

Yeah.

That's a great no disrespect.

That might be the number one no disrespect of all time.

He double offended.

Okay, let's talk about the last game.

By the way, the Colts are going to win, right?

By a lot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Packers, Steelers, Sunday night football.

Very excited for this.

Aaron Rodgers going up against his old team.

There actually was some good stories coming out this week about Aaron Rodgers being a really good teammate to Jordan Love.

Did you see some of that?

I did not.

No.

There There was basically a story, an anecdote that was shared that

Aaron Rodgers implemented a fine system for Jordan Love when he wouldn't speak during meetings because Aaron Rodgers said that when he first got to Green Bay, it was in Brett Favre's QB room and he felt too intimidated to ask questions or speak up.

Okay.

And he didn't want Jordan Love to deal with the same thing.

So he basically was like, you have to speak up.

You're part of the team.

Pushing him along to be included more.

Nice, nice guy, Aaron Rodgers.

Yeah, finding his teammate.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, yeah, exactly.

They probably got a pizza party or something.

No, that's a, yeah, it's a good move.

It's like encouraging.

I hope that you're.

I want to give you the confidence that you should have in yourself to talk.

Yes.

Who do we?

I like the Steelers in this game just because of Mike Tommas.

I love the Steelers in this game because they just lost to the Bengal and everybody was on the Steelers last week.

And now you're like, nothing could be worse for the Steelers.

The defense stinks.

Jalen Ramsey don't know.

Is he playing this week?

I don't know.

Do they want him to play?

Yeah, yeah, they do.

After what happened against Jamar Chase?

Yeah, they do.

J.J.

Watt was kind of a non-factor, or TJ Watt was kind of a non-factor last week.

And this is just a classic Mike Tomlin.

Nobody believes in us.

Guess what?

We're going to go out there and win game.

That's what it feels like to me.

And the Steelers are also wearing...

I don't know.

I can't tell if these are the worst uniforms in sports or the best.

Can we pull it up?

Pull up the throwbacks that that they're wearing on Sunday night.

The worst.

You think they're the worst?

Disgusting.

They look like bees, but they're not the bumblebee ones.

They're not the worst.

The vertical straight.

It's like a combination.

If you're a bee who's in prison.

It's going to be an ugly, ugly game.

Pull up those throwback uniforms.

Okay.

Yeah, look at those.

Oof.

Oof.

The khaki pants.

Okay.

Okay.

The Packers did at least help out a little and they're going all whites.

Oh, they are?

Yeah, because it would have been.

If they were wearing the yellow helmets.

No, it would have been very confusing if they went yellow helmet, yellow helmet.

I'm still going to be confused.

But yeah, well, you'll be confused.

You'll be like, which team is the Packers?

But thankfully, they didn't.

Yellow helmets, yellow helmets would have been brutal.

That would have been tough.

And then Aaron Rodgers is playing for the team that's wearing the yellow uniform.

It would be just ⁇ it would be very confusing.

It's also tough when you go throwback for an older quarterback and always looks weird.

It's like, you know, throwback should be a younger quarterback thing.

Did he used to wear these?

Yeah.

Oh, shit.

He played in this era.

I like the Steelers.

I do.

I like the Steelers.

I like them a lot.

I like the Steelers.

I like the Steelers.

And it's not, you know, the last time I'm scared of the Packers because the Packers are really good.

You know, the last time the Packers won in Pittsburgh?

Like, 70s, right?

1970.

Yeah.

Jerry was trying to give me that stat like it meant anything.

And then I kind of pretzeled his brain because

you could also say Aaron Rodgers playing when the Packers play the Steelers in Pittsburgh, Aaron Rodgers is 0-2.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah.

You now have the quarterback who wasn't able to win

in this matchup.

It's a double bad stat.

Yeah.

Yeah, you don't know which way to go with that.

Jerry is,

at the start of the week, he was all out on the Steelers.

And that's when we time the market and we say, yeah, we're in on the Steelers.

Oh, yeah.

Always.

Always.

Jerry's a great.

You can just go off.

I know the Steelers better than Jerry, and that's not, Jerry's just too close to it.

Whenever he thinks that the Steelers are a really good team, they're different, you go against them, and then he gets down and says it's the same old team, then you get back on Mike Tomlin.

You know what he did last week to try to pump TJ up?

What?

He DM'd him a Mike Tomlin locker room speech.

I love that.

But I was like, Jerry, TJ's going to tune that out.

Well, not only that, but TJ was there.

Yeah, you think TJ doesn't get that on a day-to-day?

He's got enough Mike Tomlins.

He heard it live in person.

Yeah, Yeah, it's like if somebody DMs me a video of Hank.

Yeah.

I say, I get it.

I got it.

Yeah.

Someone DMs you a video of him going, eh.

Yeah, I get it.

No, we see it.

Listen, I live it.

We unfortunately see it all the time.

Okay, should we do our TD parlay?

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Do we know which one the game of the week is this year?

I have a wild idea.

What?

Do we know which one's the game of the week?

We don't.

I assume it's probably going to be Cowboys, Broncos, but we'll let everyone know, and then you send us those slips.

All right, what's your wild idea?

Three tight ends.

Yes.

Okay.

Do it.

What do we go?

Jake Ferguson.

Put Jake Ferguson.

Tyler Warren.

Tyler Warren.

Jake Ferguson.

His

Tyler Warren.

I was just making sure that was the afternoon game as well.

You can go Knight.

I'm thinking about Knight and the Steelers.

The problem with the Steelers is they've got like four tight ends who score touches.

So then go Tucker Kraft.

Tucker Kraft, 145.

Get it set up, Max.

Cowboys, Broncos is the bonus.

Okay, game of the week.

Okay.

All right, yeah.

You know what?

I'll go Tucker Kraft.

Okay, so we have Jake Ferguson, Tyler Warren, Tucker Kraft.

Tight ends.

Tight ends.

This is going to be a juicy one.

Yeah.

We got to hit one.

We've been cold.

Last week, I think we got blanked all the way around.

I blame Amon Ra.

Well, now that Amon Ra scored, we've cleansed ourselves.

Yeah.

So we should be back.

What's the last one?

Ferguson Kraft.

And Tyler Warren.

So who's...

Is this me, you, and Hank?

Hank, yep.

Max soft benching?

Yep.

Softbenching, yeah.

13-1.

Let's just get to Sunday night.

Yep.

Let's find a way to get to Sunday night.

Let's do it.

Okay, we have Jerry's fantasy minute.

Then we'll do our best bets, and then we'll get to our interview with zach martin talking a little cowboys offensive line play

hall of famer notre dame you got jerry's fantasy minute here we go

the music means that's what the music means i got one minute hey what's up welcome to fantasy boys doing legs very important part of working out works out the whole body We get some injury from quarterbacks this weekend.

So you could stream Joe Blacco.

You could stream Michael pennix that miami beast sucks uh tight ends are back dalton kincaid is back also this guy god godson from uh the charges number one tight end down there also uh best looking tight end of the league better look at the travis kelsey this menange running back is about to be coach johnson's next david montgomery and you can stream the uh falcons defense because the fuck miami sucks

that's it Just getting in some leg rep, super important.

I did it.

One minute.

Fuck you, PFT.

Call 1-800 injury pawn.

Thumbs up, mommy.

Thumbs up.

Does he say stream when he's saying stream?

Yeah.

Pick someone up.

Yeah, stream them.

Stream them.

Stream him.

That's a common fantasy football term.

Is it really?

Streaming defenses.

You change them every week.

You can quarterbacks.

It's like.

I've never heard that.

I've never heard that.

Yeah.

Huh.

Damn.

Jerry's deeper into fantasy than us.

Yeah, I mean, I guess that's why he's our expert.

That's a good, good thing, yeah.

Also, Jerry,

what are you talking about with Jaden Daniels?

You were the person at the start of the season that came on this show and said he was going to break every record going to man.

This is not me.

You should be saying that to yourself.

You did a bad job.

In fact, I blame Jerry for Jaden's injuries for trying to live up to the expectations.

That Jerry set for him.

I'd agree.

It's disgusting.

I'd agree.

Thumbs up, mommy.

That was hurtful.

Yeah, okay.

Is that a crime now, telling your mom that you're okay?

Yeah, mom wants to know.

Yeah, hey, mom, you're listening to the show right now.

I'm doing good.

Yeah.

Nothing weird about that.

Mom, I want to punch Hank in the face because I keep thinking about the eh, but we'll get through it.

And it wasn't even at me.

That's okay.

The beauty about that video is it happened so long ago that I moved on past that.

Yeah.

And then watching again, I just thought it was weird.

Now I'm going to process it.

Yeah, you got to process it.

Now I'm going to process it.

Okay, best bets.

Let's do it.

Right now,

we are at, I believe,

eight.

Memes and I have eight points.

Memes and I have eight points.

Hank and Max have seven points.

Same with Zach.

Bullshit.

PFT has six.

That's the closest it's ever been.

Yeah, two and a half.

We're all just hovering.

It's anybody's game.

We're all hovering.

Island two.

Who's up first?

Memes.

I think I've gotten one total right all year.

Yeah, that's tough.

I'll go Falcons minus seven and a half.

Smart.

Smart memes.

I'm going to go Cowboys plus 3.5.

Shit.

You're a bitch.

Sorry.

You don't even like them.

No, but I like them to cover 3.5.

Okay.

I would like to take Packers minus 3.

PFT.

I would like to take the Falcons Dolphins over 44.5.

Okay.

I will take...

Really, Max really fucked me up.

Sorry, sorry.

Texans minus 1.5.

I would like to take the Texans, 49ers, under 41.5.

And you know what?

Fuck it.

Give me the Titans plus 14.

Love it.

I like that.

The Henry Dog.

No one took the Dolphins, Falcons over 44.5.

I just did.

Oh, you just did?

Okay.

I'm an idiot.

Good pick, though.

Great pick.

Love your pick.

Great pick.

Love that pick.

Great pick, Paquette.

I'll take the Giants, Eagles over 43.5.

Okay, that's a fun one.

And only taking unders.

Although Although I bodied memes on that under, over off

last week.

Not that we're keeping record.

Blind Squirrel finds it not.

Zach.

I mean, it was not.

They could have played for eight quarters, memes.

Blind Squirrel.

Blind Squirrel.

Zach bodied me too in our over, under off.

I had under in the Broncos Giants, which was cruising until the fourth quarter.

Yeah, that was more short, like 90 points.

All right, PFT.

I'm going to take the Washington Commanders plus 12.5.

Nice.

Too many points.

That's a lot of points.

They pay these guys to play football, too.

I would like to take the under in the Dolphins, Falcons game at 44.5.

Okay.

All right.

So, Zach, we have an under-over off.

We currently do as it stands, yes, sir.

Okay.

All right.

Yeah.

As it stands.

I will take the Titans, Colts, over 47.5.

Okay.

And I will take the over in the Bears, Ravens, 49.5.

What if it's Cooper Rush?

Don't matter.

Yeah, it's Lamar.

It is going going to be Lamar.

Yeah.

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And now, here is Zach Martin.

Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest.

It is future Hall of Famer.

I know he doesn't like me saying that, but it's this fact.

It's true.

It's Zach Martin.

Zach, we got to say, by the way,

you don't know this, but we met for the first time over Super Bowl in New Orleans.

And I got to say, like, it's very rare at this point.

We've been doing this for a long time, where if someone says they listen, I'm like, oh my God, that's so awesome.

But when you told me in PFT that you listened to Pardon My Take and you follow Barstow, I was like, holy shit, that's the coolest thing ever.

No, I mean, this is like surreal for me because I did play pro football for over 10 years, but coming to the office today and meeting some of the people that I've watched for so long, it is

pretty cool.

I'm a little nervous.

Yeah, you know everyone.

It's like, it is my favorite part of the job is when we have someone who's a future Hall of Famer, like big time, played in the NFL, and they're also fans of like, they're like, oh, there's Jersey Jerry.

You walked in, I was like, Max the Eagles.

So he's like, oh, I know.

Oh, yeah.

I love listening to Max blow up on subjects.

Yeah, that was a freak out.

That's fake news.

Max is.

I don't have much over the Eagles, but I can't enjoy a Max freakout.

Max said at the start of the season, he's not going to get mad, and he's lived up to that promise.

And my guy, Zach back there, looking forward to

Zach, that's a great addition.

Zach on Zach.

Yeah.

The Zach attack.

How do you spell it, Zach?

I'm a ZAC guy.

What about yourself?

I'm a ZACK.

Okay.

Oh, man.

And that was our first episode of Zach on Zach.

We got a Zach attack.

We had an H we can involve here?

No, I don't think.

Zach's with H's?

Is there somebody that you saw just walking around the office and you're like, oh, holy shit, I can't believe that's white boy Rick?

I saw Nicki Smokes pumping in some iron out there, you know?

Yeah, working hard.

Got to chopping up with Katic.

You know, we got some ideas bouncing around already, so you never know.

Yeah, Kadik is legitimately obsessed with you, he loves you.

But I mean, it's a testament to how good you were for how long, like as a Commanders fan myself, I don't like the Dallas Cowboys, but you were a fucking really good football player, and I liked watching you play.

So it's a pleasure to have you here.

I appreciate that, man.

Thanks for having me.

And so I said, Future Hall of Famer, you are a future Hall of Famer.

You're going to be in the Hall of Fame, probably first ballot.

What was seven first team all pros,

nine Pro Bowls.

But I have to ask, of all the accomplishments, where does winning the MVP of the Pinstripe Bowl rank?

That's crazy.

You won the MVP of the Pinstripe Bowl.

You're an offensive lineman.

How did that happen?

And do you have the MVP trophy?

Well, how it happened is we played a disgusting game versus Rutgers.

And like Reese, Tommy Reese, our quarterback, he had like a bunch of yards, but no touchdowns.

Our running back had like no yards and a couple touchdowns.

And I think they were just like, all right, this guy's the highest draft eligible guy.

I do not have it anymore.

It is at the bottom of a lake, not intentionally.

We have a lake house, or my wife's family does.

And we were out on the boat one night, and somehow it made its way on the boat and never

who took it out there.

What was it doing on the boat?

Now I want it to miss.

We got to find this trophy.

It's not a big lake either.

It's a small lake.

I mean, if we had a team, we'd go

in.

You know, my good buddy Pat got me a magnet fishing kit last year.

Yeah.

I could get on a boat and go out there and just, if you show me the spot, we can build that thing up.

It's not a big lake.

I'm telling you, it's like three miles around.

We can make it work.

Finding Zach Martin's pinstripe MP trophy would be such a funny video.

That would be a great video.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, but that was a good send-off there from Notre Dame.

Yeah.

So, all right, so you retired this last offseason.

Has it has there been moments where you're like, fuck, I really, I wish I was playing one more year?

Or you, it was the perfect time.

It was the perfect time.

That's, I really haven't had any.

Maybe like the first when they played Philly to start the year and like just the start of the game, like the heart was pumping.

Like that, you know how that place is when you go on a night game.

And so maybe a little bit then, but really I haven't had any of those feelings.

It was kind of a perfect perfect ending there.

My contract was up and I was I was ready to be done.

Yeah.

And you look great.

You've lost a lot of weight from even the Super Bowl.

Yeah.

50 pounds.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's pretty sick.

Yeah.

I was a big fan of your retirement letter that you wrote, the open letter.

Yeah.

Famously in that letter, you said that the thing that your son was going to miss the most was hanging out with CeeDee Lamb.

Yep.

Yep.

But you told him, hey, hey, buddy, we can go visit CD when we want.

We can go visit him.

Has he seen CD since you've retired?

Since I've retired, I don't know if he's seen him since we've retired, but he was very excited last week when CD was back in the lineup.

Yeah.

At a big score versus Commanders.

He was juiced up about that.

I love that story.

What is it about CD that your son was like, I love that guy?

I just think, I mean, he's just a playmaker, right?

He's the one making all the plays.

And so I'd come home and he'd make sure I was all right.

But he'd be like, oh, how about that CD catch?

Or how about that CD touchdown?

It was cool that my last game down there, I was injured, and so was CD.

But before the game, my kids got to come down the field and I brought CD over, and CD and Charlie got a picture on the field on my last game.

That's awesome.

It's very cool.

Yeah.

So, Notre Dame Cowboys, what's it like being a douchebag?

Very similar.

Very similar.

Fan bases, everything.

A lot of eyes on us at all times.

There's a blessing and a curse.

Yeah.

There's good things that come with it, but

there's some stuff that people don't talk about that

sucks at times.

Yeah, does it feel different?

Like when you obviously, your whole career was at the Cowboys, but does it feel different knowing you guys are going to be talked about more than any other team?

You're going to be judged more than any other team and how to deal with that.

Where,

no offense to the Jaguars or the Cardinals, but there's just not the spotlight on them.

Yeah, it was really more, I feel like, like the years we weren't great, and it's like, oh, they're still talking.

Why are they talking about us?

We're five and eight right now.

now, right?

But I think it just kind of comes with it.

Obviously, what Jerry's built down there and the success that the Cowboys have had in their

history,

it's just going to come with it, and you just got to take it and not, you know, it's cliche, but not live in the comment section and

do your thing.

Yeah.

What was it like for you as a listener to the show when Hank became a fan of the Dallas Cowboys briefly?

You know,

it was nice because Hank's had a lot of luck in his history.

That's true.

I was hoping maybe he could bring

a little of that to us.

What do you got, Max?

You put the mic closer.

Oh,

that's good producing, Max.

Yeah, great job, Max.

Keep this all in.

All the people that think that Max

all he does is press his record, then presses stop.

No, he gets off his ass.

Yeah, he gets up, he puts this closer.

Zach, do you

just talk, Zach, real quick, so we have another Zach talking?

Yeah, we can go Zach for Zach.

As of right now, we're just getting a couple of things adjusted.

Everybody's good combo so far.

I'm enjoying the riff.

I like that.

It's almost like you're doing a review of the podcast.

Like during the podcast.

Yeah.

Okay, so we got it.

I have a couple people I got to ask you about that you could tell us how we got it wrong.

Okay.

Brian Kelly, how do we have it wrong?

Oh, man, you're killing me here.

He's a good football coach.

He's a good football coach.

I will say I'm not overly close with Coach Kelly.

Obviously, I play with him, but I have not talked to him a lot since I left there.

But he does do something right because, LSU hasn't really come around, I guess, fully yet, but the guy wins wherever he goes.

I think he does a great job.

He can manage the program, right?

Like Notre Dame, for example, it's a lot more than just being a football coach.

There's

a lot of bullshit you got to put up with, and I think he did that well, and I think he hires well.

I think he does a good job of going out and getting good coordinators, good position coaches.

But yeah, he does something right.

Yeah, he does.

I can't put my finger on it necessarily, but he does definitely have something right in the formula.

Yeah, all right.

I'll ask you an easy question in between about people.

In detail, I need like as much time as you want to talk about it, as much detail as you want to go if you want to do the next hour on it.

I need a step-by-step, play-by-play, second-by-second of the Mike McCarthy watermelon smash.

Okay,

we were in Minnesota, okay.

Minnesota game, yeah, I believe it was Sunday night game in Minnesota.

Yep, uh, we were bad, it was COVID year.

Uh, we were in the, so when you, when you do the uh, night for the hotel you you're in the big ballroom for dinner and then you kind of you know five minutes for the meeting everyone kind of moves over to the big ballroom where they have you know screens set up all the chairs for guys and they had a stage this time which normally that wasn't normal stage and then he had like the picnic table

you know like the plastic whatever and the picnic table was like laid out all over the stage I forget what his message was but it was something about you know smashing whatever we've done now and you know move forward but he just started smashing watermelon spraying all over us he was wailing on the watermelon yeah.

He was, and I think he was bringing people up.

I don't think I got a swing on the watermelon, but I do believe he was bringing either other coaches or certain players up to.

So, the watermelon was a metaphor for the season, yes, yeah, yeah.

That's oh, yeah, I didn't think about that, I thought he was just doing like Gallagher, the old comedian that used to smash watermelon.

I don't think so, I think it was more like

I don't know, he was just looking for something to get us

into it, but it worked,

we won.

You know, no, you won that, like, because this was.

I want to say that I not only bet the Vikings, but I think I was still in my Survivor League for a lot of money.

I had the Vikings.

And afterwards, when it came out, I was like, this is such bullshit.

If I had known this was a watermelon smashing game, I never would have bet against

Cowboys.

So, yeah, did you guys all walk out of that meeting being like, now we're going to go be the greatest team ever?

I don't know.

I mean, at least gave us a little conversation when we go get ice cream before we go to bed.

Okay.

At the ice cream stand.

Listen, watermelon smash it fucked me up bad i lost a lot on that yeah i you gotta know when it's the team's about to smash a watermelon yeah you gotta know it you have some that's important information that the books don't put out yeah was he a big prop guy in those meetings or was that the one time uh no he would he would do props um like he was uh he grew up his dad was a bar owner so i remember one time he had like um he had like the bar props and he was doing something with it uh you know like the towel and like the shaker and all that uh

i forget what the message was but uh no he'd use props every once in a while.

So, we got to ask you a little bit about Jerry Jones.

We want to have him on the podcast.

So, I want to drink Johnny Walker

on the bus with Jerry.

I want to hang out with him and just let the man talk.

He's a fascinating guy.

Love him or hate him.

He is a very interesting guy, successful beyond all your wildest dreams.

He's done everything, and he's still like the centerpiece of that team.

What was it like meeting him for the first time?

I met him on my, I remember I went down to a visit before I got drafted.

They did like the

like pre-draft visits or whatever, um, and it was just like a real quick, like five minutes.

Like

he wasn't doing a lot of the uh like deep diving questions.

Uh, and then kind of over my career, I obviously had uh interaction with him, he was great, always you know, treated me great.

But then my contract stuff came up a couple years ago.

That's when I, you know, I had started having one-on-one conversations with him.

Yeah, uh, got to know him a little bit better and um

got closer with him.

But yeah, it was cool to kind of sit.

It was just us in the room several times.

We're sitting talking through our contracts.

And

you kind of had to pinch yourself.

And you're like, dude, I'm just negotiating with this, you know, oil tycoon billionaire.

Yeah.

But yeah, that was cool, man.

He takes care of us.

Obviously,

he's got the business thing going heavy, but the dude wants to win.

There's no mistake about it.

He does want to win.

I think,

you know,

the business side of it pays the bills.

So he puts a lot of time into it.

Yeah,

did you have an agent at the time?

I did I did

go ahead.

Are you leading in?

I was curious like I've been involved in a little bit of the negotiation agent thing not not to like the extent that you have obviously but I could imagine that your agent might be upset that you're meeting face-to-face with a guy and that's kind of his job.

Yeah, I was in a little bit of a different circumstance because it was my second, you know, when I did my first deal, my agent was obviously very involved.

This was kind of at the end of my career.

I had a few years left.

You know, I was trying to get a little extra on the back end.

And

in my mind, I thought it was pretty cut and dry.

And that's how Jerry, I mean, you've obviously seen it in the Micah stuff.

Like, he likes to have those meetings with players.

And,

you know, I think he likes to get us one-on-one.

I mean, obviously, why wouldn't you guys that don't have much experience?

But he takes care of you.

And we came to an agreement between the two of us that I was happy with, he was happy with, and it all worked out.

Yeah.

He seems like he could be fun to play for if you were one of his guys.

Yeah, when you're rolling, I mean, it's tough to beat.

It's those dog days when you're losing, you know, three, four in a row and

everyone's on edge at all times around the facility.

But when things are rolling down there, it's great.

Yeah, if things are like, if you're in a losing streak and he lands the helicopter on the practice field, you're like, oh, I see it.

You got to exit the practice field when it comes down here.

Yeah.

Off that, so this is, we're in week eight right now.

I'm a big believer.

This is like the window where there's, you can pick out maybe some desperate teams.

Do you, is that a real thing where it's like human nature definitely takes over?

Where if, hey, if you're winning, maybe you don't, you're not as pushing as hard, but when you get to that point in the season where it's like, we have to win, the desperation comes out and you get a better effort?

Yeah, I think it would be, I mean, I think it'd be dumb to say if people

are like, hey, we don't let this stuff slide in.

Like, it does.

It happens.

When you're on a roll, like

at some point, you know, you have a let, like we've had 21, 22, 23, and we were rolling.

We kind of limped into the playoffs, and I think that was kind of our downfall.

But same thing, we won eight or nine games in a roll, but you start letting little stuff creep in, and it just piles up.

And unfortunately for us, it was like it piled up at the worst times.

Yeah, yeah, because I think that human nature part of like pro sports is always interesting to me because we think of it, oh, they're pros, every week's going to be the same.

It's like, no, they're still just regular human beings.

Well, and also, like, the

discrepancy, like, the teams are not that different talent-wise.

Like, everyone's really good.

So, you catch a team that, like, oh, yeah, we should kill these guys.

Like, well, yeah, have you seen their defensive line, though?

Like, we're in for a fucking meat grinder to do, you know?

So, uh, even the teams that aren't record-wise great, when you look on tape, you're like, damn, they got this guy, they got this guy.

So, you got to be on it every week.

Yeah, it was such a thin margin.

We've said a lot of things on the show about Dak Prescott.

You might say we complimented him at times when we called him the 17th best quarterback.

You might say we insulted him by calling him the 17th best quarterback.

You played alongside Dak for many years.

Can you tell us why we're wrong about Dak?

I wish that Dak could come back on here and do the interview.

It had a lot to do with that.

Yeah, I honestly, and this is like nothing against you guys, but I don't think he knew

you guys at all when he came on the interview.

Which was fair because it was early on.

Yeah, and I don't think he knew like the shtick or anything like listening to it and knowing him.

I'm sure he's just like, what the fuck are these guys asking me?

Yeah.

So I think if you had him on now, it'd be a lot different.

Do you think he'd be open to coming back on?

Do you think he doesn't like that?

Like how if you guys have helped the chance?

No, probably not.

Definitely not.

Well, we have said that we've we said this season that oh, he's off stack.

Oh, yeah, he should be in the definitely in the MVP conversation, if not leading.

Well, and I also want to come back because he's like, he is the best.

Like, he is the absolute best.

He would, you would love him if you got to sit down here and just shoot the shit and he knew kind of what was going on.

But he is, guys in that building play for that guy.

Yeah.

I'm telling you.

I would love to have him do the hard count.

Yeah, that'd be fun.

Here we go.

Has he always done the here we go?

No, that changed.

They actually, we put that in because, so we got a new, when McCarthy came in, it was all about like, get off the ball, get off the ball.

We're trying to fly off the ball.

Well, then people started jumping the snap count, and it just kind of became,

it just didn't look fluid.

Some guys were getting off, so then that's when we added the, yep, here we go to like, all right, everyone get ready, and then everyone tried to get off at the same time.

So that's why they added that because everything got kind of screwed up when guys were getting off at wrong times.

Let's, let's do, you know what?

Let's heal real quick.

Let's all say something nice about Dak.

Okay, please.

Okay, Max, memes, Zach, can we all say something nice about Dak?

Memes, you want to start?

Say something nice about Dak Prescott.

This is going to get him back on the show.

He's a father.

There we go.

He's a father.

Had sex.

Yep.

I would like Zach to go first.

Okay.

One day I was gone on Instagram.

Beautiful home.

Okay, okay.

All right.

Max?

I don't know if I can.

Come on, Max.

Like,

it is in my soul to hate Dak.

Just say something.

All right, I'll go.

I like, I'm a bigger fan of Dak Prescott than I am of Brian Kelly.

That's huge.

That's big.

That's mad.

Right?

That's big.

He is by far the most handsome.

How tall is he?

6'3, right?

Maybe 6'2', 6'3?

6'3?

I'll just go 6'3.

He's by far the most handsome 6'3

Mississippi State alumni that I know.

Yes, yes.

There's no close second.

Yes.

Max?

Come on, Max.

He's got a lot of philanthropy work.

Come on, Max.

Yeah.

For the kids, he's a good, good.

He's good.

Good with the kids.

I do think it's like

that was an early on interview that we did with Dak.

And I would like to have him on again.

I think it also, there was another time, maybe a year or two after, that we were supposed to have him on in a Super Bowl week, and something fell through, and we were just like, ah, fuck this guy.

But he's an awesome quarterback.

We like to, I think it's also the Cowboys thing.

Whoever the quarterback of the Cowboys is, you're going to make fun of him.

That's though, in my opinion, the most impressive part about him, like the amount of shit that he has to go through.

Yeah.

And, like, the amount of things that are on his shoulders.

I mean, if people knew the amount of shit he has to deal with on

the circles, it's ridiculous.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I can imagine that.

It's like not something that they prepare you for in college.

Yeah, right.

Right.

Like, you get to the league, all of a sudden, you're the quarterback of the Devils.

When he got thrown in there, like, a week before the season, too.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

And to be able to handle it without any major public missteps is pretty impressive.

Yeah.

For everybody you do.

And wait, so wait, how many years, what year was that?

Were you?

2016.

So I had Romo for three years, but really only.

And that's another guy we speak very highly of.

I had Romo for really just my rookie year.

It might really be an us thing.

Yeah.

Planning it out.

Yeah.

So is Romo your rookie year?

Romo, our rookie year.

He was 15.

He played four games and did his collarboned twice.

And then my my third year was the year that he got hurt and preseason back came in.

Yeah.

Yeah, that is tough to be thrown in at the last second.

You ever played golf with him?

With Romo?

I've never played with him.

No.

But I got a funny story.

So we went to

my brother-in-law has played in the Tahoe event for a few years.

You got to play in it.

And we're trying to, I'm going to try to.

I would love to.

Yeah.

Maybe this can springboard my invite.

Because we used to go out there with all our buddies like three years he played and rent a house, and it was unbelievable.

Your brother-in-law, Tyler Eifert.

Yes.

Yes.

Did he throw your trophy into a lake?

It wasn't him.

No.

No.

That's definitely something Tyler would do.

It definitely is something he would do.

Okay.

Very, yeah, checks out.

But we were at the Tyho deal and Romo was playing in it.

And so like we ran into him and he was like, why are you here?

And I'm like, oh, my brother-in-law's playing whatever.

So then the rest of the weekend, anytime we were walking and we were by Romo, my buddies would like scream out Romo and he'd turn and see me.

So it just looked like I was following Tony around the entire week.

So like I'd walk up and be like, Romo, and he'd turn around and be like, oh, that's true.

Yeah, I mean, the Tahoe is the best.

We got to get you in there.

Yeah, it's great.

How's your golf game?

It's trending.

Yeah, I've been playing a lot.

That's

not a direction.

You just said trending.

Well, that's good.

I mean, I played a lot this summer.

Okay.

I play a lot.

I'm like a 10.

Oh, that's pretty good.

You played it?

Yeah.

So I'm respectable.

I'm going to steal that, though, if someone ever, whenever someone asked me, I'm going to say trending.

Not saying which direction, but it is trending.

You had, in your entire career, 11 seasons in the NFL, you only had seven holding calls.

Is that correct?

That were accepted.

Yeah.

Accepted.

Yeah.

How many times do you think you actually held?

I bet there's probably, I don't know, four or five that were declined, like on third down, maybe.

That's crazy, though.

Yeah.

Seven?

Yeah.

Dude, I.

Can you remember all seven?

No, but I do remember some.

Like I had a bad one in Pittsburgh one year in 2016

that I, that wasn't a hold, but they called it on me.

Oh, so it wasn't even, that doesn't get so now we're down to six.

Well, no, they called it on me.

Yeah, yeah.

But no, I can't remember all of them.

I think what Big Cat was getting at, like, how many times did you hold and get away with it?

Yeah.

A lot, a lot.

And I think

I have a good, I feel like I had a good understanding of what is a hold.

Like, if the ball is on the other side of the field and you're holding, they're not going to call it.

It's really when the ball is

passing you.

So if you got a play that's coming right behind you and you start feeling your guy fall off, you either have to let go or get yourself in position.

So I think I I was smart enough to, one, let go.

And then that was kind of like, I would say, if someone asked me, like, what was your best attribute?

Like, I could just get out of like terrible situations.

Like, I could be in these funky body situations.

It looks like I'm beat.

And I could just kind of,

I don't know, naturally just kind of get my body in front of a guy.

And I think that helped with the holding penalties.

Yeah.

Who's the toughest guy you went up or the guy who gave you the most problems?

Well, I like to take Donald out of it.

Okay.

That's like an obvious.

What is it?

Let's talk about Aaron Donald, though, for a second.

What is it?

Is it just, is his strength just that?

Can you notice his strength versus other guys?

Oh, yeah.

And it's his, like, not only is he freakishly strong, he's got, he's not a huge guy.

Right.

I know you guys have interviewed him.

Like, he's

maybe six foot.

Yeah.

You know, so he's got a lot of natural leverage.

And then he's got every, you know, he's got moves.

He's got speed.

He's explosive.

He,

he's like the only guy that like you really, at least that I was like staying up the night before the game, like, damn.

Yeah.

This is going to be.

This is going to suck.

Yeah.

Like, this dude can make me look dumb at any moment.

Yeah.

You you know uh but if if you take him out of it uh fletcher that's like my that would be like my kind of um i think we played against each other 20 times yeah so fletcher cox was definitely the guy that i kind of respected the most and had like the best battles with who is the outside of aaron donald or fletcher cox who is like the

most country strong or like the strength that you're like holding so maybe not the best player because they might not have the speed to match it or the moves but when they got your their hands on you you're like oh fuck dexter Lawrence, I mean, he's really good, but he's one of those guys that like puts his hands on you.

You're like, God,

Jeffrey Simmons, another guy that got their hands on him.

And Dominican Sue.

Can't leave Sue out.

I had like,

he got after me pretty good early in my career.

I played him every, I think I played him every team he was at, but Sue would be that another one.

I played him Detroit when he was rolling, played him in Miami.

We put him in the playoffs when you were at the Rams.

So

he's definitely in that mix for sure.

Yeah.

Did you ever have, is there like one block that you made that stands out to you?

Like that, that was was the best pancake of all time.

Not at the top of my head.

No, but like, like, like, sometimes, like, this is like a small O-line thing, which you wouldn't, my guy KDK would, he wouldn't understand.

Like, Katic is probably outside the door right now.

But anytime you get, like, a, a slide away from you, so the center's going away from you, and you're like, man, like one-on-one and like a third down versus an elite rusher, like, if you, if you stone a guy in those situations, it gives you, like, damn, that was, that was pretty good.

Like, that was good.

Yeah, I had, there was room on both sides of me, and he could have gotten either way and and I held up there.

So

a lot of double teams with Travis Frederick a lot of a lot of double teams with Travis Frederick that come to mind, but not one specific yeah, did you enjoy pass blocking?

Because we've talked to a lot of offensive linemen that are like I can't stand pass blocking.

Like I just want to get out in space.

I want to hit somebody.

No, I mean you want to run the ball.

I mean, it just makes everything so much easier for O-lineman because then it slows the D-lineman down.

They got to think about the run.

They're getting chewed out on the sideline for getting getting it shoved up their ass.

It's just,

you got to run the ball effectively, I think, to be a top offense.

You got to have some aspect of running the football.

Yeah.

What was

walk us through the play against the 49ers in the playoffs?

Where were you lined up for that play?

I was out wide at receiver.

Me and Tyron Smith were outliner.

I still don't understand that play.

Well, the play, I actually was just talking about this a couple weeks ago.

The play was supposed to be like Zeke snaps the ball, and then we do like a hook and ladder, but Zeke's like the guy that's going to get the lateral, but he's kind of hiding at center.

We're not thinking of him.

Right.

Well, San Fran just came out and put Greenlaw over top of him.

We just bullrushed him into the ground, and then the play was dead.

So a tough way to go out.

Yeah,

when that happened, you're like, oh, man,

that was a tough one to watch because everyone was just watching it being like, what is happening right now?

Well, that was salt on the wound, too, because the Niners

had bounced us two years in a row and kind of got after us, too, for two years in a row.

So that was just kind of a little extra salt on the wound on that one.

Can you walk us through the other play against the Niners?

Was that the one where you tried to clock the ball?

Yeah, I stand by that one because I really think we practiced that play a lot, and we had time.

You know, now that we coach that play, we talk about how the left guards

got to move and give space for the ref to get through after that play but i still think that if if he didn't get uh if he didn't get hit by the uh the official we could have clocked it and had time i'm not saying we'd have won the game but i think we would have had at least a second on the club well those always suck because like the games ending that way or yeah terrible right playoff game yeah like

that was like one of the years where you think you have a chance and it's just everything gets ripped out and you're you're done yeah the the i went to the rose bowl when Wisconsin played Oregon and we it ended on Russell Wilson not being able to clock it.

It's like, well, that was the most unsatisfying way to end a game ever.

I know.

It's like the walk out of the stadium, and it's like, damn, just left early.

Yeah, right, right, right.

We got

the play with Zeke at center.

See, I'm on top of the screen up there.

Okay.

And were you running route?

Yeah, we're ready to go.

I was kind of like the, we were just kind of like trailing behind, ready for pitches, and then

you guys literally just

all of these guys are just not there.

But look, look, see, like, we didn't anticipate them just bull rushing Zeke thing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That one pro did it it work in practice?

On air, it looked pretty good.

Yeah.

The one flaw in the plan was, yeah, our center can't block.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's a problem.

Uh, how cool is it coming out of the tunnel at Notre Dame and hitting the sign and you know, just like, is it as cool?

Because Notre Dame, we people give shit to Notre Dame because I think there's a jealousy factor.

They are, I always love when Notre Dame's in the mix.

It makes college football more fun.

Yeah.

It does feel like if you are a Notre Dame fan or a Notre Dame player, like like you don't have to explain yourself.

It is just special.

It is.

And it's just, I took two weeks ago, Notre Dame played Boise and I had a couple teammates that were Boise guys and they flew up and we went to the game and I got to kind of, you know, show them all around.

And even they were like, where are we right now?

Yeah.

I was like, it's just, you got to be there.

You got to experience game day there

to give it justice.

I mean, it's, it's a special place with a lot of tradition.

And I got to take my son there this summer.

I took my oldest.

One day this summer, we rode up, we went around the stadium and he got to to go down and hit the sign.

It was pretty cool.

That is awesome.

How cool was that being a part of a team that went to the national championship at Notre Dame?

I feel like that's special.

It was.

And also kind of like turning.

I feel like when we were there,

we kind of

turned it around a little bit, right?

Like Notre Dame, we'd been struggling there for a while.

My first year was Weiss's last year.

So we were 6-6.

We didn't go to a bowl game.

We're kind of in turmoil.

And then to be a part of kind of that rebuild,

especially in the O-line room,

Notre Dame's got a ton of o-line tradition and um we had a coach harry he stand i know he's a chicago guy um he kind of came back and we kind of instilled that tradition back in and it's still going today which is cool to see you've had a lot of great offensive linemen yeah

yeah like mike mclinchy quentin nelson ronnie stanley yeah you guys are just list goes on and tight ends too yeah i feel like the tight ends are popular we had a good thing when when coach he stand was at notre dame i think he had like

five or six first-rounders in like eight years so we had it we had a cooking there with him yeah uh i got a question about charlie weiss big cat yeah you know are you you think the same thing i'm yeah no of course we have to ask everyone uh charlie weiss any did you ever get the chance to meet his parrot his bird i never met his parrot but this i'm not lying he texted me yesterday yeah about about sals fuego just like out like hey i was uh i was thinking about you like hope you and your family are doing well that's nice oh man that's cool he's a good guy yeah yeah i mean but the stories of of his bird that just like free range flies around the house yeah i never i never saw the bird like people asked me about weiss all the time and that was uh it was i was redshirted that year too so i didn't really remember like he was there for maybe four or five months and then and then was out of there so i don't even really remember my weiss time all that much yeah yeah when you were uh when you were just getting started at notre dame did did you have any intention of playing any other position or were you switched to your position and you're like okay you're gonna grow here um well i played so I've only ever played O-line D-line.

I've never touched the ball at any level of football.

That's like my son plays flag football, and he's like, was asked me questions.

I'm like, buddy, you've touched the ball more than I have.

You've never passed.

Never, never played.

That was O-Lyman from third grade.

We asked Joe Thomas this: how many, you played 11 years in the NFL.

How many times do you think you actually touched the football?

How many seconds?

A couple of random fumble recoveries.

Yeah.

I don't know, live action total of like

eight seconds, maybe.

Think about it.

Did you ever run with it?

You ever pick it up and take a few steps?

Because Joe said that

he guessed like 20 seconds because there was one time he picked it up and took like three steps.

Yeah, no, I was always jump, cradle it up, get in the fetal.

Yeah, yeah.

Is that crazy?

It's a Hall of Fame career.

Just didn't touch the football.

No, and playing guard, too.

Like when you play tackle, you can kind of hide when you're running like some of the goal line trick stuff.

Like we had some offensive tackles that cut touchdown passes when I was there.

But guard, it's like if I'm not lining up at guard, it's like, you know, bells and whistles on the defense.

Like, why is he not at guard right now?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That would be, it'd be something I would, if I were in your position, maybe at the end of my career, I'd be like, hey, we got to get get me the ball yeah just one time i when kellen was in uh dallas we talked about it a little bit trying to try to make it work but it never did oh yeah man all right tough question but i i think i'm gonna phrase it correctly the the national championship when you guys went and played against alabama obviously there was the mantai terri story that year do you remember was there a moment in the locker room where someone finally broke the ice about the uh yeah just like hey you know like we got to make a joke about this i actually heard mantai talking about this on something he was doing but it was when we for whatever reason, when we were walking out of the tunnel, we ran out of the same tunnel and we like met in the tunnel of the stadium.

With Alabama?

With Alabama.

And they ran out first and like we're all standing there.

And you got like Chance Warmack, DJ Fluker, all these dudes like running out with their shirts flipped over.

Everyone's like, fuck, you know?

So halftime, I mean, it was pretty like.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was over.

We may be in over our heads.

Yeah.

But did anyone ever joke to Mantai being like, that was crazy, dude?

Well, that stuff came up after he left.

Oh, I thought it came up like right at the end of the season.

Oh, yeah, because he was training.

That's right.

That's right.

Because it was a story at the Heisman, but everyone thought it was real then.

Yeah, everyone thought it was real.

So it came out like maybe a week or two after the national championship game when he was already gone.

That's right.

But I did see that interview from Mantai, when he was saying, like, you knew at that moment you were probably.

Yeah, it was like different.

Like, we were used to like playing Purdue and like Pittsburgh.

Yeah.

It's like, oh, God.

And that was when Bama was peak, Bama.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Just as good as good could be.

They had Lacey.

I think, you know, Lacey, he had like five carries for 65 yards in the first drive.

Oh, man.

And our defense was like the best part of our team.

Yeah.

That's like, we knew we were in trouble.

Yeah.

Can we talk a little bit about the Cowboys this year?

Yeah.

All right.

How do you like them?

Because right, to me, they're so fun to watch.

The offense is amazing.

I don't think there's any like bells or whistles.

I think that they're just like legitimately a top five offense in the NFL.

The defense is kind of,

I want to say hit or miss.

It's been a lot of miss.

The defense hasn't looked great.

What do you think the ceiling for this group would be this year?

Well, I agree with you.

Offensively, I don't think anyone's been

better than them consistently over the course of the season.

I love Williams, Javante Williams, that was a hell of a sign.

Obviously, Pickens, picking up the slack when CD's out.

And really up front, I think they've played, I saw a stat, they've played nine guys so far this season up front, and they really haven't skipped a beat.

There's three or four guys

that have backed up there for a couple of years that have gotten playing time the last last couple of years, and they stepped in and did a great job.

So offensively,

it's been awesome, right?

Defensively, I mean, look, you trade arguably the best defensive player a week before the season.

It's not going to be perfect.

I think they will get better.

I mean, I played for Coach Eberflus in Dallas my first five years.

I know, you know, you guys, you got your feelings there, but I do know how he coaches.

And it's not really about the plays.

It's about how you play.

And I think he'll get those guys on defense playing the right way and and at least be able to,

you know, stop some bleeding and win some of these games down the stretch.

Turn around a little bit.

I think they could definitely be a playoff team.

I do too.

Play the defense up a little bit.

Watch.

It's the most fun watch.

I saw this clip the other day of some Cowboys fans talking about it.

They're like, honestly, they're the most fun team in the NFL to watch because they have to score every possession.

It's a big 12 game.

Yeah, it is a lot of fun.

And I mean, George Pickens is so much fun.

So good.

He's our favorite.

We basically, there'll be times in the gambling cave where we'll just everyone there'll be seven games on and be like everyone stop watching George because he's that electric and I don't know him at all but uh it seems like he they they've made him comfortable down there and he really enjoys being in Dallas so yeah um and I'm happy for Jake Ferguson he's having a breakout year my guy he's going off yeah getting in the end zone and um

Fergus you need to have Fergie out here we we had him on wake up barcel for like 10 minutes uh on Tuesday but we do have to have

he's a character yeah although I'm like not I don't think I'm welcome back at Wisconsin right now with some of the things I've said in the last

grandson, but yeah, I gotta be honest, yeah, yeah, yeah, can't sugarcoat them, but they are so much fun to watch.

It's just, yeah, get that defense going, yeah, yeah.

I feel like they can't get any worse, right?

Yeah, I mean, defensively, yeah, no, and I'm not, I don't, I mean, I hate when like former players take shots, and I don't want to take shots, but it's just objectively like they've got to be better on defense, right?

Well, and also, they lost the best defensive player right before the season.

That's got to, that's got to take some getting used to.

Like even

the

Bears game, like CD got hurt in the Bears game.

I feel like it's so different because they played well after CD got hurt, but it's so different than when a guy gets hurt in a game with a game plan versus when you know a guy's not going to be playing.

And it's like the kind of the little thing.

It's like human nature when a guy like CD Lamb goes out, there's a little bit that's like, fucking dude.

One of your best guys.

Yeah.

So,

yeah, but they bounce back the next couple weeks and play great.

As a player on the Cowboys, would there be times after a game when you'd see like a Skip Bayless video of him like throwing his Dak Prescott jersey into the trash can?

And you're like, oh, fuck.

We really messed up, guys.

No, no, I don't really care about that.

But

no.

To answer your question, no.

No, Skip never crossed your radar.

No.

So you had a nickname, The Butcher, which feels like a bad nickname for an offensive lineman.

That nickname also is not.

It's basketball, right?

Well, I don't even know.

I never was called that.

That's That's on my Wikipedia page.

Okay.

That's like the number one question people ask me.

Yeah, yeah.

And I'm like, I wasn't aware anyone called me that.

Someone maybe put it on there.

Because I looked into it a little more, and it says, at least it says on the internet, that the butcher was a nickname you got playing basketball in high school, which that is very funny because I would imagine you playing basketball.

You played basketball like a football player.

Yeah, you know, I get my fouls out.

I average, you know,

four and ten, four fouls.

Yeah, I mean, I don't think it would be fun to go into the paint with Zach Martin standing there.

No, no,

I had a little game early on.

Like, basketball was like, was my sport when I was in Indiana?

Well, right?

Yeah.

And then my dad was like, you know, you're 6'4 center.

You're not going to, there's no room for that.

So

I really dove into football.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Did you ever have a nickname?

So my nickname is Gob.

The Gob, like, that's my, my handle for everything.

People are probably like, what, why?

I wish I had a cooler story, but it was honestly my freshman year in high school.

I was playing basketball, practicing against the varsity, and one of the seniors

said I looked like a goblin.

And

now everybody in Indy, like parents call me gob, girls call me gob.

Everyone calls me gob.

The gob.

It's a cool nickname.

Yeah, it is a cool nickname.

The gob 70 on Twitter.

Yep.

Yeah.

How are you liking the podcast game?

So

you're doing some podcasting.

Yeah, I'm doing NFLIQ with Cynthia Freeland and Logan Ryan.

I'm kind of like

recurring guests, I guess.

Yeah.

It's been cool.

Like, I've never really done anything like this.

I was pretty low-key when I played.

I didn't

really put myself out there much.

I just kind of stuck to playing football.

And so I thought I'd give it a try, see how it goes.

Yeah.

Is it hard to watch the tape and criticize players?

I get like cringy.

Oh, that?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I get cringy myself because I'm still in this mode where I'm still playing.

So sometimes I listen to myself.

I'm like, you just sound like you're an interview at your locker after.

You can't listen to yourself.

I know.

Don't do it.

I know.

But it's been cool.

Like, Cynthia's great at leading the conversations and queuing you up, and it's been awesome.

So this is a theme basically every football season, and maybe you can explain it better.

But in September, it's just bad football because what we've been told, and you might say this is stupid, but the training camps aren't as hard.

It's harder for the offensive line to gel, and it takes some time.

Is there any truth in that?

And is there a moment that you can point to in every season where you're like, all right, now I feel like we're all on the same page?

100%.

I think it's a huge factor.

And I hate being like the old guy being like, we don't practice hard enough anymore.

We don't do this because when you're getting older and you're in it, you're like, it's kind of nice.

But

it really comes down to

the reps.

The guys aren't getting reps, live reps, like meaningful reps, not jog through or helmet-only reps.

Like offensive lineman, you got to feel yourself getting in these fits with the guys you're playing next to.

You got to feel a pass rush.

And I just think you don't get the consistency of that through training camp anymore just because

you got a lot of days off built in, which rightfully so.

Coaches don't want to get guys hurt.

But I do think I've heard, I've talked to guys from around the league and the teams that do hit it hard in training camp, you usually can tell at the beginning of the season who's playing the best and the most physical and look like they're sharp and there's not a lot of pre-snap penalties.

And they usually probably had a tough training camp.

Yeah.

Is there one unit, one offensive line around the league that you think might not be getting as much publicity, but you're like, these guys are doing a great job.

I mean, mean, honestly, I would say Dallas.

I'm being biased, but I just think it's the amount of people they've played.

They've played a lot of young guys,

a lot of backup guys who have played really well.

And

they've protected their butts off.

Dax has been sitting back there, and I don't think his sack numbers are very high, and they've been running the ball pretty good.

I love watching the Lions play.

Penne Sewell's like my favorite player.

He's an absolute monster.

He's scaring

down the field.

He's huge, too.

I met him at the Pro Bowl one year, and he's like, I think he's like 330, but he doesn't look 330.

So I love the Lions.

I love

the Chiefs.

They got Trey Smith and Humphreys.

I love watching Lane and

some of those guys on Philly doing their thing.

Do you think they fall start?

You think the Tush Push is a false start?

Yeah, I mean, it's clear they've been false starting.

Yeah.

I mean, they called it, what was the game last week?

The other team, they called it twice on them for five years.

Yeah,

interesting.

No, I'm not a Tush Push hater.

I think it's

I wish that we did the Tishbush.

It's pretty sick that you're able to do it, and anyone can do it, and they just do it better.

I think there's some things they could obviously clean up, but

it would be pretty sick to run a play and be like, no one can stop this.

Yeah, I agree.

I think

it's very clearly a rule change that's being written by haters.

The haters, legislators, CNFL losers.

If you can't stop it, then I guess your only other option is to try to write it out of the game.

I think that's wimp behavior.

Now, if it is passed, if the rule change passed, I'd be okay with that.

Yeah, but I'm not going to vote for it.

Indivision guy.

I would like to see it out of the game in terms of just for my own rooting interest.

But like, they're just any other team is free to try it.

It was funny when it got voted on.

I think they did a list, and it was like everyone who has to play the Eagles voted to.

Did they show the list?

Yeah, I think it was pretty much one-for-one.

Well, it is like

when you get into fourth and one, it's like when you're on the sideline, and normally it's like, oh, they're punting here.

It's demoralizing and be like, shit, they're going to get it.

They're going to get it, you know.

Automatic.

Max.

Dan Campbell, only Lions, only team that played the Eagles this year that voted.

That checks out.

That's awesome.

That's man's stuff.

He couldn't break it.

He probably was like, I will have to retire if you make that vote

to ban this play.

The owner was probably like, Dan, you're voting to ban this play.

He's like, I will not do it.

You'll have to drag me out of here.

Here's my gun and badge.

All right, so I think that one cool thing about how football has evolved and the internet is people have gotten very, a lot smarter about football, the way we talk about football.

A big thing is that all sacks are not on the offensive line.

That's got to feel good to finally get that.

But what would you say, like in general, how many sacks in a given season are on the offensive line and how many are on the quarterback?

I don't even think it's all on the quarterback necessarily.

I think there's more times when you think that like

the route concepts get messed up and then that throws the queue off and then someone guys get someone gets beat late.

And I think there's more factors than just quarterback o-line right i think majority are going to fall in the low line obviously and but those ones are pretty straightforward right when you're watching a game it's like oh yeah that he got beat guard just got beat in two and a half seconds it's a sack but uh there's more than you think that i uh that stuff breaks down on the back end that they don't talk about yeah yeah because it does feel like we're getting to a smarter place where it's and also like quarterbacks holding on to the ball too long where it's like hey you had a pocket or or or escaping a clean pocket and like those things are frustrating and that's the thing i think too like young quarterbacks, that's like the first thing they learn.

It's like, oh, I don't have time to sit back here.

And I mean, it's got to be, you got three seconds to catch the ball and know where you're going.

And it's got to get out because everything's working together, right?

Yeah.

It is.

That's why I love football.

Do you like watching football?

I do.

I love watching football.

Yep.

Sundays, my son's starting to get into it big time.

Like last year was like the first year, which kind of sucks because my last year, but it was like the first year he was really into it.

So Sundays, like we print out the slate every week, he circles

his winners.

How's he been doing?

He's been killing it.

Send it.

Dude, he went.

It's just straight.

I don't care.

It's a straight pick'em.

Phil said it.

He went nine and three.

All right, send it.

God damn it.

I'll kill anyone.

I'll take pickups.

No spreads.

It's just straight up pick'ems.

Yeah.

That's got to be a great feeling when he wins games.

Oh, he loves it.

Yeah.

Or he'll wake up Monday morning and be like, who won the Sunday night game last night?

Yeah.

How'd you tell him about the tie?

That one threw him for a loop.

His head wasn't impressive on that one.

What do you mean?

He was like Donovan McNabb being like, I didn't know you could tie.

Yeah, that one.

And that was a late one.

The Eastern, that's been like my biggest adjustment back to Indy is Eastern time sucks.

And yeah, Indy should be in central.

It should because it's, I mean, you drive 45 minutes west and it's central.

But those games, like that game, that tie game didn't get over to like 1.30.

Yeah.

Yeah, the double header on Monday.

Oh, that was

stay up for that.

And that was terrible football to watch.

Yeah.

With the Packers one, though,

you could have just been like, yeah, we tied, but we won that tie.

Like, they counted.

Yeah, you did.

Oh, yeah.

I think if you're looking at it, if they're, I mean, yes,

with all the hype around it and thinking they were going to come in here and roll us over.

And

that was a good one.

Did you used to ever have to go one-on-one against Micah during practice?

Yeah.

Yeah, it sucks.

What was he like?

He's kind of like, I kind of

like they're not the same at all, so don't take this this way, but like the ways that Donald could beat you, like he could beat beat you with power, speed, explosion, all that stuff.

Like Micah can do that kind of stuff.

And he doesn't, he's not like an overly big guy.

He doesn't look all jacked up,

but the guy's just got like incredible explosion and strength.

And he's another guy.

He can just make you look dumb.

Like we'd have practices where you literally couldn't run plays.

Yeah.

You know, or we'd have rule, like in training camp, you usually don't have like game plan rules.

You're just running.

how the play is put in but we would we would have like practice game plan rules for for micah going into practice That's pretty cool.

That is awesome.

He's that good that it's like, hey, here's a rule against you.

So when you got drafted, there was obviously a lot of talk because everyone thought the Cowboys were going to draft Johnny Menzel.

Was there a moment that Jerry Jones, like a year or two into your career, he's like, hey, just want to say, I'm sorry, like you, you're way better than Johnny Menzel?

I don't know if I've ever talked to him about it.

He mentioned it a little bit in my retirement press conference.

Yeah.

I talked to like Steven and all the other scouts.

And

like we had this older scout, he was was the old line guy his name's walter and he used to always be like i stood on the table for you man i was in there staying that's awesome so yeah we we uh it was always a little joke around the facility yeah i'd say they made the right pick yeah they made they made the right call they made the right pick what'd jerry say during the the press conference was he like you know i he still thinks there's something about how he did like didn't uh he actually didn't want to draft manzel they just like blew it up in that way and everyone laughed i was like you know clearly you wanted him yeah you want him i i did call you a bust on your draft night did you yeah but that was when i was busting everyone the entire so i said zach martin's name is not johnny manzell bust

yeah so i just busted out i used that my entire career yeah there we go he said it printed out that they called me a bust yeah i'm prove them wrong yeah

have you thought about your uh what you're gonna say in canton

say again what are you gonna say in canton no you should think about that

you got a few years but you should start thinking about that okay maybe a prop maybe a water

what have you smashed a watermelon you guys seen the ballot we were smashing this thing with.

It was like a big wooden, like, I thought the head of this thing was probably that big.

It was like specifically for smashing watermelons.

Like, he told the guy, he's trying to get me something to smash these watermelons.

Maybe bring like a cake out, you know, like that show, Is It Cake?

But it's like it's a

bust of your head.

Yeah.

And then you smash that, and it's watermelon cake on the inside.

Dude, you should smash a watermelon.

That would be the coolest.

I love how like the smallest things are like, are like the biggest.

Well, it all goes back to gambling for me.

Yeah, right.

Because I lost money on that game.

well, actually, no, if I had the Cowboys and I'd known about it, I'd be talking about it in a different way.

I'd be like, holy shit, remember when I won a bit from Smashed Watermelon?

Yeah.

But I just remember the news came out later that week, and I was like, of course I fucking lost that game.

The information that would have been useful.

They smashed the watermelon.

You can't just do that.

This might be a dumb question, but have you had to

pick up any new hobbies since you retired?

Like, you had a lot of time to fill now, right?

A lot of time to fill.

I mean, the kids, like, we're kind of in the thick of it.

Yeah.

My wife's pregnant.

We got three little ones.

I played a lot of golf this summer.

We talked about it at.

My wife's family has a lake house, so we're up there a lot of the summer.

It's pretty nice.

Find that fucking trophy.

Yeah.

We're going to find that trophy.

Oh, the trophy.

Yeah.

We're going to find that.

What are we going to do with it when we find it?

Put it in the studio.

If we find it.

Yeah, absolutely.

Hell yes.

Okay, we're going to trophy.

Yeah.

It's in northeast Indiana, not

far from here.

Okay, yeah.

Like three hours, maybe.

We got no problem finding that trophy.

Yeah, we got, oh, Zach would look great in a scuba outfit.

Yeah.

Oh, Zach, you could scuba.

if it's to find a trophy I'm down do whatever let's do it

Fuck yeah Zach did you have some if we're not finding the trophy you're not down to scuba we will scuba with intent to find the trophy if we don't find it it'll probably still be a great scuba day on lake yeah

have you ever scuba dove

not as deep as i would assume that trophy's been i've done like a little snorkeling but nothing would like

no never take never a scuba situation how heavy is the trophy

I'm trying to think if you guys have any stuff in here.

Could a guy like me, could I lift it up?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, so we could really

this wide, maybe?

We could pick it up off the bottom of the lake and swim up, no problem.

Yeah, we're talking, it's been down there a while, though.

We're talking probably

eight, nine years.

It's been down there.

Yeah, this is exciting.

This is exciting.

I'm looking.

All right, I'm looking at the trophy.

It's not that big.

Yeah.

No, no, it's metal.

We could definitely find it.

Let me see.

Yeah.

It's got metal on it.

Is that one?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

We could definitely find this trophy.

Okay.

Yeah.

I want to find this trophy so bad now.

All right.

Well, this has been awesome, Zach.

You're going to watch football with us tonight.

I got one last question: Roback question.

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I ask this for whenever we have offensive linemen on the show, and I'm just, you know, it's kind of boring to ask the same question, but I'm always just curious about it.

Do you, what, what play, and if you're on a drive, at what point are you like, we know we got them?

Like, they're, they're, good question.

They're good question.

Thank you.

They're, they're like dying for air, and and we got them.

I would say if we're moving it consistently after,

I don't know,

three or four plays, like when they start like, they're already starting to switch in for the backups, and they're coming back

like we got them on the ropes.

You're just waiting for a big one to hit.

That's got to be a good feeling.

Yeah, that is a good feeling.

Just leaning on them.

Just leaning on them.

No, we're going to call the same run play again, and they can't do anything.

Did you ever play in a game where you called the same run play?

We did it in Pittsburgh to

not, was that last year?

The year, the delay game where it was a super late.

I think it may have been last year.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But late in the game, I think we called the same one like four or five times in a row.

That's got to be a great feeling where it's just like, hey, you can't.

And the deep, like, yelling, like, it's coming right here at the same place.

That's an awesome feeling.

It's great.

Oh, man.

Oh, last, last question.

You were present for maybe the greatest Bears quarterbacking performance of all time.

Were you in awe of Josh McCowan on that Monday night football game?

Was that in Chicago?

Yeah.

I was in awe of him, yes.

Oh, you don't remember it?

God damn it.

Well,

I remember

winning the game.

No, the Bears won.

Maybe this was before you.

Was that the super cold game?

Yes, very cold.

It was a year before I got here.

Oh, okay.

So, but you were in Austin.

That was 2013.

You were in awe.

Well, I was in awe just because watching

how cold it was.

Yeah, it was the Bears won that game

45 to 28, and Josh McCown, I want to say he was 27 for 36, 348, four touchdowns.

That's pretty

cool.

I think that was 2013.

2013.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Did you ever play in a Super Cold game like that?

We played Chicago the next year.

I think on a Thursday night was cold.

We played Philly one year.

It was miserable.

I think it was the year they won the Super Bowl because we played them the last week of the season.

We were out of it.

And they already had their stuff locked up, so they weren't even really playing their guys, but we were still playing all of our guys.

And it was like

15 with the wind was whipping through.

I remember talking to Chris Long, like he was out there like the first quarter, and he's like, dude, this shit's for the birds.

Yeah, it's like, I know, I'm going to, I'm going to Vegas on Thursday.

Would you wear sleeves?

Yeah.

I never wore sleeves.

No.

Did anyone on your line ever wear sleeves?

I think for that, that 13 game, the Chicago game, I think guys did because I think it was.

It was very cold.

It was like freezing.

Yeah.

Zero degrees.

I don't think when we were there in the cold games, we didn't ever.

We played a rain game in New England one year.

I think it was 2019 it was like 40 but it rained the whole game which is almost worse than if it's like yeah you know and you wore sleeves no oh no i would never wear sleeves yeah i would judge you i'd actually say nothing nobody

i'd say we should have taken johnny menzel wait so did you ever play with any offensive lineman who ever wore sleeves yeah some guys wear like the um I guess it's like the new look now, like the loose-fitting sleeves.

Yeah.

But it's not to stay warm.

Like that's like their

swag.

Yeah, they're swag.

Yeah, I think Trent Williams might have started that.

Yeah.

Probably.

And you can't can't talk shit to him.

You can't.

I was going to say it.

Oh, goddamn.

It was unbelievable.

Yeah.

What about gloves?

Would you change your glove color depending on the jerseys of the other team?

So

the last couple of years,

Mike Solari was our line coach, and I never had a line coach that was like this, but he would do it.

Like he would have our, he would have our equipment guys like color our

the outside of our gloves.

Like we were playing a team that was wearing darker jerseys.

Yeah.

Like I'd get into the locker room and my glove because I would put a new pair of gloves on for the game and like my gloves would be like sharpied Sharpie'd.

Like they'd be black.

That's smart.

Smart.

So they would hand draw.

Yeah, they would just like if we were playing

a teen that was wearing like Philly, like dark green, they would just take a black Sharpie and like all the white spots, they would cover it in black Sharpie.

That's really genius.

Yeah, yeah.

I also feel like offensive linemen, like, did you ever throw on a knee brace even though you didn't need one?

No, no, I don't know.

No, no.

No, that was the best part about coming to the NFL.

You didn't have to wear knee braces.

Yeah, yeah.

Because, yeah, there are those clunky knee braces.

They would make us, Jerry would get,

like every, not every year, but every so often we'd have like an injury in training camp and he'd get pissed and he would just make all the O-linemen and D-limen wear knee braces for us.

Like that was like, that was the reason we got hurt, you know?

Like, put the knee braces back on.

Oh, that's so funny.

Oh, man.

All right.

Well, Zach, this has been awesome, man.

Love having you here.

Definitely come back.

And like I said,

it was very cool when we met you at the Super Bowl.

And you're like, yeah, I'm a listener.

And I was like, holy fuck.

I may be a day one listener.

Holy, you're nine-time AWS?

Was Chris Long your first interview?

He was our second, I want to say.

Okay, that was the first episode I received.

The first episode I received.

He might have been first.

He might have been first.

Okay.

That may have been the first because I followed you guys before PMT and all that.

So when you guys started that, I was on it.

That's awesome.

I think it was like 2015, maybe.

All right, well, we might have to have you write a little something in the book because we're trying to write a book and it's hard to write a book.

So you're going to just have to write us a picture.

Thanks for writing that.

The different times I chuckle in my car by myself?

Yeah, just be like, yeah.

Zach Martin's favorite

times that they made a joke.

Yeah, you go into the parking lot and we're talking about Dak and you just turn the volume all the way

before you pull up next to him.

Yeah.

Or maybe it's just like we don't even have to say what lake it is because we don't want people showing up to the lake, but maybe it's just a diagram of a lake,

you know, hypothetical lake, and just you just saying where you think it might be.

And that would just be a whole page.

Oh, Treasure Mad.

I know where it's at.

Okay.

All right.

So we'll do that.

We'll do that.

All right.

Well, Zach, thanks so much, man.

I appreciate it, guys.

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We got Fire Fest of the week.

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Hank?

Yes.

I mean,

we talked about the Ant Fire Fest and just kind of like the

fire ant.

The vibe, yeah, the vibe of that match, which I don't really,

I would do it again.

Probably will do it again.

You would ant him again?

I didn't even, yeah, I just you were so confident that you had his score right.

You think I was a liar?

I honestly, what it was, was that I was just so far back on that whole strokes-wise that I couldn't fathom.

Like, I was kind of, it was denial.

Yeah, I didn't think you were a liar.

I was just in denial about my own stats.

Whatever you have on a whole, you assume that the other person can't be that, that much better than you.

Yeah, it was more.

Yeah, I just, yeah, that was, it was denial.

I apologize, and I apologize again, but it is more just the fire fest that this week was the realization.

It all set in.

Like, winter's here.

It's, it's over.

It's still fall.

The, the clocks are turning back this weekend.

Like, it's already getting dark early.

That's what's tough: when it gets dark at six, and you're like, We haven't changed.

The clocks are turning back, and next week it's going to be five.

Yeah, and it's just cold.

Like, there was you know, a couple days where I was like, we got out of work late afternoon, where you know, if it was nice weather, it's like, oh, maybe shoot up, play a quick nine-holes.

Like, it was too cold to do that.

It was like, yeah, I don't want to play golf because it's 40 and windy and rainy, and it's not going to get warmer for months.

Yeah, and it's going to get darker earlier, And it's

just sucks.

I heard

from, I think this guy was a meteorologist.

He said that Chicago might be supposed to be having the coldest winter of all time.

Yeah.

Last 30 years.

In the last 30 years.

Yeah.

Mincy said that.

Mincy said that.

He tweeted that.

He's like, someone just told me that Chicago's going to have the coldest winter in the last 30 years this winter.

I saw a TikTok on the same thing.

Yeah, it's they just

there's like a air mass or something and they try to they always predict this shit.

Just vortex.

Just look at look at a squirrel's tail.

If If it's a bushy tail, it's going to be cold.

I go by the caterpillars, the size of the caterpillars.

Yeah.

So, yeah, it's just, it's depressing.

I'm sorry, man.

Yeah.

We should do snowbird as a podcast.

We really should.

That's a good idea.

We are going on spring break.

That's a really good idea.

South Padre Island.

We're going on spring break.

I kind of like the idea.

What are you talking about?

Just wintering in.

We're going to Arizona in March.

We've talked about this.

We have talked about this.

I don't know why we're talking about it.

We've got a Scott Sale.

Yep.

But yeah, we've talked about it.

Why don't we just take the pod to Hawaii?

Done.

Just live in Hawaii?

Yeah, be done recording the show at like...

No, just like just when it gets cold here.

Yeah, 10 a.m.

You guys want to move to Hawaii?

Yeah.

Just for the cold months.

They got football.

It would be so hard.

They do have football.

No, they got football over there.

It would be so hard for you to figure out time zones.

Oh, time zones is.

I'd be dead.

That London game would be on at like two in the morning.

Yeah.

Maybe even earlier.

We could all just go with my method and just pretend like it doesn't exist.

No, I'm not going to do that.

Yeah, me neither.

Yeah.

I would maybe move to Hawaii if Hank, we have to move back

if Hank misses one second of a London game.

I'd be locked in then.

Like you fall asleep for even a second.

Boom.

Pack the bags.

you haul.

I'd make that trade.

Okay.

It'd be worth it.

It would be so worth it.

Surf so much.

You wouldn't surf.

There's no chance you'd surf.

You'd be always golfing.

I'd body surf so much.

You'd body surf so much.

Body surfing would rock.

Okay, so that was your fire fresh just bumming us all out.

Yeah.

Okay.

I've been bummed out this week, so I figured.

Yeah, might as well just pass it off to us.

Yeah.

It has nothing to do with the fact that PFT embarrassed you on the weekend.

Well, I mean, that's part of it.

We already did talk about that, and that's like going to be be the lasting kind of thing that I have to think about for the winter.

It's just my performance in that match.

The match isn't over.

It's not.

It's part two that's coming out.

There is part two, and part two is part two.

It gets wild.

It gets wild.

There was some fight.

I'm proud of the fight, but

it's just going to be a long winter.

I mean, I shot a 40.

It's tough to beat a 40.

It's too.

You can't say winter yet.

It's like 50 degrees outside.

Yeah, but it's the coldest winter ever.

It's cold.

Coldest winter ever.

Yeah.

Permit.

This is going to suck with Mitchell's race.

This is all-time bad vibes.

He's bumming me out.

Wait, what's the name of this segment?

Firefest.

Okay, got it.

Yeah, sorry.

You're doing ice vibes.

You want good vibes?

Like, what?

My bad.

You're right.

You're right.

You're right.

Aunt Max.

It's a fire.

Normally it's a personal Fire Fest.

Yeah, he's just bumming everyone.

This is personal.

This has been my week this week.

Because even when it's like, we, even when I can't golf, I like walking outside and being like, oh, it'd be nice to golf right now.

Like, it's nice to be outside and be like, like, oh, like, this is like someone out there is enjoying a nice, a nice round.

I'm looking at this.

And that makes me feel good.

It's 15 days and it's 55 every day.

That's

incredible weather.

Max.

Dude, fall weather 55 is awesome.

It is good.

That's great golf weather.

You can golf in 55.

You can absolutely golf.

Oh, no, I just broke my keychain too.

Like, obviously, winter's coming, but you can't say winter's here in October when it's like 55 degrees.

And what about the light?

The clock.

The clock's changing on Saturday.

That is an issue.

That's an issue.

I agree with that.

The

early sunset.

I don't like leaving work when it's dark outside.

55 is awesome weather.

It is.

Hank, you know what I'm going to do?

What?

I'm going to take you golfing next week.

And I'm going to show you.

It's not done yet.

Show some fight.

All right.

Fine.

Be a man.

Fight.

You got to rage against this winner with everything that you're worth.

Do you want to maybe pretend you're going to dunk again so you have something to work for?

Nah.

Okay.

Pretend you're going to need a six-pack?

I don't know.

I can do that.

I'm on the right path.

Okay.

For a six-pack.

Yeah.

Working out.

When's that coming?

I don't want to set a date.

Okay.

That's smart.

All right.

PFT, you're fire fast.

I mean, in that same video that Hank has been talking about, the ant video, I noticed I am definitely looking fat these days.

Got my physical a couple weeks ago.

Pretty heavy right now.

Hank,

if you want to mentor me and get me in shape, if that's a project, get me jacked again.

Make PFT jacked again.

There were a couple of video angles in the video that I saw.

I was like,

it's time to call it.

You want to do some like, it's not really jacked.

It's more like mobility.

But if we can do some golf, I want to do some golf.

Yeah, we'll play.

Yeah, let's play golf.

No, golf-specific workouts, like off-season.

Okay.

I actually would like to get jacked.

Okay, you want to get it?

Because my firefest is similar that I've been noticing.

Like, this is the part of the football season where my body starts to break down.

Yeah.

And like, I don't sleep, but I've also been noticing, I haven't been sleeping, but like, my body, my brain is tired, but my body isn't.

I need to find a way to, like, lift a couple times a week.

Because when your body has energy, your brain has energy.

Right.

Yeah.

Where I'll just notice and just be like, and I feel like I am, I feel like I might be at my weakest right now.

I pre-regret saying this.

I shouldn't say it.

I shouldn't say this.

What?

Would I get shocked?

The ice cream machine is not helping.

No, that's fucked up.

The ice cream machine is not helping.

Chiming.

Let's be honest.

You have some self-control, buddy.

I put 90% of my recent weight gain on the ice cream machine.

All right, if you want to blame it, that's fine.

We all say things we don't mean.

Right.

Self-control.

That's why I said I shouldn't say it, but

you know what you could do?

I skip lunch and then have ice cream.

I've started to do that.

Yeah, that's just, you know, you just got to count.

I count my calories in ice cream only.

Because my normal diet around this time of year, every year, it's S's.

i only eat soup salad smoothies you always say that but now i got ice cream

soup sundays sundays what about like sundays yeah the wings and pizza we get on

that's that's during football that's

international waters we literally before we started recording max was like donnie's making us brisket sandwiches for dinner prime red prime red

yeah

you were like fuck yeah

he's getting the deli slicer out he's getting the deli slices oh man all right let me revise revise what my diet usually is.

It's salad, soups, and smoothies for lunch, usually.

Yeah, you just got to skip lunch.

That's an S.

I go breakfast, ice cream, dinner.

Yeah.

And then ice cream.

The problem is when I have the smoothies, then I'm like, well, I didn't have lunch.

I can basically have ice cream.

Yeah.

You skip breakfast.

You just eat lunch at breakfast times.

Fact.

Yes.

Your 10 a.m.

meals are.

Yeah, they're a lunch, but they're not, but I don't do breakfast.

Yeah, yeah.

I brunch.

i brunch every day i brunch every day i have like a burrito at 9 30 in the morning yeah and then i don't eat again until like 8 p.m at night my real fire fest though is i am going to kansas city in arrowhead yeah i've committed to it i'm going to go it would it would be a pussy move on my part if i didn't go you ain't no pussy i know one thing about me ain't no bitch nope ain't no bitch in this seat so i'm going to arrowhead and i'm going to bring back a cover much like i went to there we go i went to qatar on a mission to bring back a draw against England in the World Cup.

Promises made, promises delivered.

We won that tie.

We are going to win the shit out of this cover against the Chiefs.

12.5 points is a lot of points.

I don't know how we're going to do it.

I don't know what defense we're going to be running.

I don't know if the same guys are going to be at the...

I'm going to make it happen.

So I'm not backing out of a trip,

but I'm also not looking forward to the trip.

No.

Yeah.

That's...

Yeah, especially what time's your flight on Monday?

Flight on Monday is like two.

Okay, that's sucked.

It's not bad.

And then the flight back, that's going to be the early one.

That's going to be a tough one.

That's going to be a tough one because to watch that game, I'm going to have to drink some beer.

Yeah.

You have to.

Have to drink beer.

It's a must-win.

Let's just win.

You never know.

Listen,

I'm on money line already.

Yeah, let's just win.

I believed in it when there's only two and a half points.

Just do it.

Yeah, I might just win.

Yeah.

I think I'll just win.

Oh, yeah.

My fire versus my body's breaking.

I mean, this just happens every year, right around here, where it's just like I haven't slept.

I got just bad sleep.

And my daughter's decided to just come in every night scared because of Halloween season.

Halloween.

I like Halloween, but it fucking sucks sometimes.

Because they like see ghosts and shit all the time, and it's just always in their head.

And they talk about it right before they go to bed, and then 4 a.m.

I saw a ghost.

You got decorations up?

Yeah, yeah.

Lights?

You got a skeleton?

No skeleton.

We got spiders, lights,

like pumpkins.

Yeah.

That's fast.

We do it right.

It's fast.

Yeah, we do it right.

I saw at Costco the other day, they have, obviously, the giant skeleton that we've all seen.

But there's a bigger skeleton this year.

Oh.

It's like three times the size of the giant skeleton.

I'd have to get that.

I was thinking about picking it up and just, should we just assemble it like inside the gym and not tell anybody?

I'd have to do it.

Growing up, my family had like a 10-foot

statue of Frankenstein.

Not inflatable, just like a real deal

statue of Frankenstein.

And my mom would only put it out for Halloween night and would chain it to a tree because she was so scared that someone would come steal.

One night?

One night.

She was way too scared that it was going to get stolen.

So it was just one night and it was chained to a tree just

for Halloween.

I mean, it's Philly.

They'll steal anything there.

Yeah.

R.I.P.

Hitchbot.

Hitchbot.

Dude, have you seen the robots, by the way?

Yeah, I want to hitchbot them.

I do too.

Me too.

And the worst part about those is I'll see a robot and then I'll I'll tell, like, I'll be in the car and be like, kids, look a robot.

And then they'll just be like, where's the next robot?

Like, I don't fucking know where the robots are, but I want to see a robot.

I want to see a robot.

It's like, I can't fucking predict when we're going to see another robot.

So it just becomes robot time.

You should have done it.

I know.

I made the mistake.

Now all we do is talk about, let's go find a robot.

I'm like, it's some fucking idiot who just like is ordering their Thai food.

Just shut up about the robot.

I hate those robots.

Yeah, we should fuck them up.

You know what?

Maybe next iteration of the car stick is just a giant magnet and if you see a robot rolling around just go and put the magnet on it i do like though seeing the robot like have you seen the robot get bodied uh trying to cross the street yeah for it that's awesome yeah it is because like cars won't stop for it so it just keeps like stopping and starting because they censor it yeah it's awesome just like fuck you robot you're stuck here forever idiot

yeah let's fuck up one of those robots yeah i hate those things probably have cameras on it and shit all right zach what's your fire fest uh my fire fest of the week is i I know nobody cares about your fantasy team, but my Fire Fest this week is that I keep opening up

the app I use for fantasy football because I was dropped.

I was canned midweek

last week by what some are saying is maybe a corrupt commissioner.

I was kicked from the league.

You got booted?

What?

I got booted.

Banhammer.

By who?

What league?

Just a league that I'm in with some guys I know back home, and they're saying the commissioner might be corrupt.

I don't know if he is, but I got canned midweek.

Not good.

What did you do?

They're saying,

I guess what the committee is saying is I didn't set my lineup correctly, but what happened was I got got, we played Thursday game, went through, and then I got got by an injury status change, and he's just like, sorry, had to drop you because you didn't set the lineup, how you should have set the lineup.

Who was it?

Who got injured?

Off the top of my head, I don't remember.

I'm trying to blank it out.

I'm trying to push it away.

Move on.

What the fuck, dude?

I just want to say

you had every intention of starting players that were that were playing but you're saying one of the guys was not playing yes this corrupt commissioner also had the audacity to say after i was banished from the league to then reset the lineup for the next guy up and say this is how any rational person would have set the lineup and i just want to say who are you to tell somebody else how to run their programs a rational person that's such a subjective thing what happened to your what happened to your team couldn't agree more I am currently in, my team would just, they just filled the slot with a new guy, gave him the team.

That's crazy.

Insane.

I was currently in eighth place.

The commissioner, coincidentally, seventh place.

I also want to say, commissioner, coincidentally, first guy to make trades with the team.

Wow.

So he installed a puppet.

And tell me the backstory of this team real quick.

These are guys you know?

These are guys that I know you.

How long have you been in this league?

This is my first year in the league because some other dude dropped out of the league and I was like, okay, I'm down to get in the league.

I've never heard this before.

You can't just drop someone mid-season.

You could be not invited back.

And then retroactively

set the lineup for the next guy after the slate had already started.

Like, well, let's just, let's backpedal.

And what did you make a mistake with?

I had an injury status change.

What do you mean?

And I didn't, like, I don't have auto substitutions on.

Yeah.

Like, manual.

And then a guy went from like questionable to out.

And then the game started.

Oh, that's not your fault.

We're on the same page.

Dude, I've done way worse.

I had a week this year that I didn't start a quarterback, and it's two-quarterback league.

But that was also my hands were tied.

I had a bye week and an injury, and I was like, there's no one I can pick up.

But this commissioner, he just wanted to get his

puppet regime so that he could control them, and now they're just a branch of his team.

I agree.

I believe one of the first trades that my previous team made was he got to pick up Matthew Stafford for like a fourth-round pick, and that comes up in a couple years.

Yeah, so hey, Zach, oh, this is like a keeper league.

Say the guy's name, but we'll bleep it.

Oh, I'll just go first name.

His name's Jacob.

Fuck Jacob.

Wait, it's not our Jacob.

No, no.

Jacob would not have.

Some are saying corrupt commissioner.

I'm not saying, but some are saying it.

I'm keeping the name in.

Yeah, oh, no, I was never going to bleep it.

No, we were at Max.

We were never going to bleep it.

Now, were there like bylaws?

Were there rules of this team that were written in the app?

Like when you look at

the league setup, does it say like, hey, we'll kick you out of the league if you miss setting your lineup one week by one player?

Oh, no, it was just explained to me that the league made a decision.

He's like, everyone in the league said you got to be out.

So then I did a crowd, I resourced and was like, I'm going to just hit everyone that's in the league

one-to-one.

Like, hey, did you vote for this?

And they're like, no, we didn't vote for this.

Oh, fuck.

Snake.

Snake him.

Add memes to the text group.

Let him just let.

No, add Jerry O'Connell.

Let Jerry go fucking crazy on him.

He'll fuck him up.

He will.

Dude, this is bullshit.

I want to.

I want to do something.

Did you pay for the league already?

Could we jump him?

Physical violence?

Yeah.

I'm not.

I can't.

We'll figure something out.

I mean, Hank's dealt with commissioners before.

Yeah.

That is true.

Hank.

Shane himself to his front porch.

Yo, this is fucking bullshit.

I fucking hate Snake.

I fucking hate this guy.

So we're saying bad guy.

I'm not saying corrupt.

Oh, no.

He's a piece of shit.

Yeah, no, he's a snake Yeah.

Bad dude.

He's got scales.

He's got a forked tongue.

He's a

brought to new teams.

Yeah.

But you're not.

Next year.

Yeah.

You're just out of fantasy football.

Yeah, I just, I just, I keep clicking the app out of like muscle memory, and I'm like, oh, yeah, banned, banished.

I'm like, I'm flabbergasting.

There needs to be a court system.

There needs to be jealousy going on here.

Yeah, we need to put this guy in jail.

Bigger than fantasy football.

You know what?

They did you a favor, though.

It's like if you fire a coach early on, you've got all the time to look for new jobs now.

You're going to have your pick of leagues for next year.

That is true.

Tons of time to try to get into a different situation.

Yep, absolutely.

It's crazy.

Also, this weekend, Friday, Iowa City,

Jacob and Zach, the cream team, are driving.

They're being the Rhodies again for Pup Punk.

So we're going to be at El Ray's Friday night.

I think we go in on at like 10 or 11.

But it's a free show.

So come out, see the boys.

Tell Zach, say what's up.

Zach, if you see boobs,

let me know.

I can do that for you.

I got you.

It's the Flash Zach party.

Nice.

We're just going to make sure all that equipment gets there safe for a PFT.

Everybody come to see Pub Punk.

It's a great show.

These guys are awesome.

There's a really awesome

Riverboat Casino in Dubuque, Iowa.

Maybe the cream team stops there.

Oh, I like that.

That could be a great time.

Yeah.

Diamond Joe's, I want to say it's called.

Hopefully it's still in service.

All right.

Good show, boys.

Good luck to everyone this weekend.

Changing the clocks.

Hank bumming you out.

Eh.

Listen, Larry.

I just can't get the eh out of my head.

I really is a great movie.

I can't.

His face.

Yeah, Diamond Joe Casino is still there.

Let's go.

Sweet.

Okay.

Number three.

I think that's me.

I think I got

PFT.

Yeah.

If PFT gets it, I'm smashing this computer.

Okay.

Smashing it.

Meme.

Smashing it.

Very mad at me today.

Smashing it.

Okay.

Why are you mad?

Smashing it.

Because I was mean to the Jets.

Smash.

What would you say?

I don't.

We did the show.

Yeah.

Whatever we said earlier on the show.

It's low-hanging fruit.

Only fruit he could grab.

That's homie.

That's good.

Banger.

Banger.

That's good, memes.

That was a banger.

That was.

Damn.

All right.

Does PFT have three?

I guess.

All right, 33.

22.

77.

Memes, you know what?

You can have three memes.

No, no.

Let's let fate decide it.

Okay.

memes what's your number 100

oh palsy

99 per 35

44

86 never 17 77

i would i would actually run out of the studio if three was a

running of the studio

69

69

sex number

is that right yeah 69.

do you want to do one more one more one more where everyone has their numbers same number same number okay now shows us.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

We'll do one more.

We'll do one more.

One more.

Hi, Beams.

You don't want to be involved in this one?

No, I'm going to...

Same number.

Same number.

Same number.

You want in or out, memes?

In or out.

Memes in.

What's your number?

100.

100.

13.

13.

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