Overtime – Episode #675: David Hogg, Mark Cuban, Joe Scarborough

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Speaker 4 Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Late Night Series, Real Time with Bill Ma. All right, here we are.
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Speaker 5 David Hogg, he co-hosts MSNBC's Morning Joe. Joe Scarborough, he's a shark on ABC's Shark Tank.
And co-founder of Plus Bless Drugs, Mark Cubin.

Speaker 6 And...

Speaker 6 The first question is for you, Mark Cuban. What does the news that Walgreens is closing 1,200 stores mean about the pharmaceutical industry?

Speaker 6 Will more people opt out of getting their prescription drugs from traditional pharmacies? This is what you're very excited about.

Speaker 7 This is what I do.

Speaker 8 And it's bad news. There's these things called pharmacy benefit managers that basically interject themselves and set the pricing for medications.

Speaker 8 And they make it so, particularly in smaller pharmacies, if you think it's bad for Walgreens, they make it so smaller pharmacies don't even get fully reimbursed when they...

Speaker 8 when they fill a prescription. So you're seeing not just Walgreens, but a lot of small pharmacies go out of business.
And that's a real problem.

Speaker 9 Wow.

Speaker 6 And your organization,

Speaker 6 your main goal is just to get the price of drugs down for the people in the world.

Speaker 8 We weren't just going to turn it upside down because we brought in transparency.

Speaker 8 So we're the first place where you go to Cost Plus Drugs, and we'll show you our cost, our 15% markup, and the actual price that you'll pay. Nobody else does that.

Speaker 6 Panel, what does the panel think of people betting on the election?

Speaker 9 Wow.

Speaker 6 I never even thought about that. I guess people, of course, betters are going to bet on anything you want to do.

Speaker 10 There was a Wall Street Journal story today about how somebody had thrown like $30 million into the crypto.

Speaker 7 There's a site called Polymarket.

Speaker 8 I'm an investor through a fund, so let me say that up front.

Speaker 8 I'm honest.

Speaker 10 Do you know who's a- Is it a record right now? Because, I mean, that was a story today in the Wall Street Journal that somebody's actually dumping $30 million.

Speaker 7 It's like betting on the Mets, right?

Speaker 8 If you put enough money on it, the odds will change.

Speaker 8 But you can't be a U.S. citizen and bet on the U.S.
election on polymarket. There's other smaller markets, cashier, I think it's called, where you can.
So it's not really an indication of anything.

Speaker 11 Well, I think the irony of all of it is a lot of these Republicans are buying it, thinking that that's going to determine the outcome of the election, and they're just gaslighting themselves.

Speaker 5 Is that right?

Speaker 5 Because

Speaker 11 I was looking at it when Tim Walsh was up as as well, when it was the VP stakes, and you could see it change right before.

Speaker 10 Wait, are you saying that those are all foreigners?

Speaker 9 Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 7 Really?

Speaker 8 Yeah, other than a small player. Other than a small one, Cashie, they just passed it.

Speaker 10 But on polymarket.

Speaker 8 On polymarket, yeah, you have to.

Speaker 10 That's all foreigners. All foreigners.
Well, so this is like Republicans are excited. We don't care about the polls or the early voting numbers.
Look at what the foreigners are saying.

Speaker 9 And Putin's amazing. Putin's on his phone going, oh, it's good.

Speaker 9 Exactly.

Speaker 8 It's crazy.

Speaker 6 Well, I mean,

Speaker 6 they influence our elections in many ways. They certainly do.
I mean, I kind of alluded to it in the show, but I think the biggest hoax going is the idea that the Russia collusion

Speaker 6 is a hoax. It's not a hoax.

Speaker 6 There was collusion.

Speaker 5 Just because Bob Mueller was bad at proving it,

Speaker 9 there is definitely collusion.

Speaker 10 That's one of the more maddening things. I still read the Wall Street Journal editorial page and the op-eds, and it's sort of my go-to in the morning.

Speaker 10 And it's maddening to even see people on there talking about Russia hoax.

Speaker 7 And you just want to say, read the Mueller report.

Speaker 10 Read everything that's happened. Ask yourself why, time and time again, Donald Trump's doing things that make no sense.

Speaker 10 Why does he say in Helsinki in 2018 regarding Russia, I trust Vladimir Putin more than my own intelligencies?

Speaker 10 Why, as I always tell my kids, if something doesn't make sense, there's a good reason it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 6 And it's more dangerous than even that because they use it as a jumping off point. Like, well, since Russia was a hoax, then, and it's like, but Russia wasn't a hoax.

Speaker 6 But once you get them to believe that, but Russia was a hoax, now anything goes.

Speaker 10 Wait, but there's such tribalism. There actually was a Vanderbilt survey, a poll, and they said, who's a better president, Vladimir Putin? And they asked this of self-identified MAGA voters.

Speaker 10 Who's a better president? Vladimir Putin or Joe Biden? Putin, 54%,

Speaker 10 Biden, 18%.

Speaker 10 Those are Americans.

Speaker 10 Those are the Republicans. My old party, the party of Reagan, the ones that said tear down that wall and push back against Russian expansion.
Now they're all in on Putin. They're all in on Russia.

Speaker 6 Okay, what explains why Trump is doing so well among young men?

Speaker 9 Well,

Speaker 9 we have one here.

Speaker 11 We have one. I think as a sample size of one for too long,

Speaker 11 for too long, I think the Democratic Party has had this idea that compassion is kind of a zero-sum game, where somehow if we are talking about the need, the fact that we have a mental health crisis among young men in this country right now, if we're talking about the real needs that young men face, that somehow it's to the detriment of other people, obviously mainly women.

Speaker 11 And I just don't think that way. I think that we can care about everybody.
And I think for too long,

Speaker 5 for too long, there's been a stigma.

Speaker 11 There's been a stigma around talking about helping those people because obviously for thousands of years, talking about men was to the exclusion of women. And I understand the fear around that.

Speaker 11 But we have to end this taboo or else

Speaker 11 it's going to be detrimental to the future of the Democratic Party because we have to have both men and women in it. It really is.

Speaker 10 I've got to say one other thing, too.

Speaker 10 I told

Speaker 10 one of my kids, I've got four kids, and one of my kids, kind of progressive,

Speaker 10 I said

Speaker 10 when

Speaker 10 they went off to school, I said, don't

Speaker 10 make sure you don't push the young men into the corner. You go into a pretty liberal place.
I also said this to the head of school there. I said, here's the deal.

Speaker 10 You tell young men that they are suspects because they are young men, because of the sins of men over thousands, like this collective guilt.

Speaker 10 You push them into the corner, they will come out Trump supporters.

Speaker 10 And I will tell you,

Speaker 10 I have one Democrat after another Democrat that's never voted for a Republican before, unlike me, that have said their boys, again, this was back 2016, 17, 18, 19, they would send their seven-year-old boys to school.

Speaker 10 Their seven-year-old boys would come back with these horror stories about teachers having the boys stand up, the teachers pushing those boys basically into the corner.

Speaker 10 Collective guilt for thousands of years of ways that men fuck up. Racially too, it's not.

Speaker 10 Yeah, and what happens when you push somebody into the corner? Andrew Sullivan wrote about this. You push a conservative into the corner or you push a boy into the corner.

Speaker 10 They come out more radicalized. They come out, in this case, supporting Donald Trump.
And that's happened to young men.

Speaker 11 And I think it's a delicate balance because we need to acknowledge that although young men, like myself and others, we are not responsible for the creation of that environment in the first place.

Speaker 11 We also need to understand the history of that and recognize that we have a responsibility as men to partner.

Speaker 8 Do you think social media plays a part? Just the reinforcement of memes over and over, eight hours a day?

Speaker 11 I think social media plays a part of it. I think the commodification of hatred on social media in particular, especially.

Speaker 9 Everything's a meme. Everything's a meme.

Speaker 5 Especially since COVID, right?

Speaker 11 We know for a fact since the passage of Title IX, for example, that young men used to get bachelor's degrees at a rate 15% higher than women.

Speaker 11 Now that rate has flipped where women are getting bachelor's degrees at a rate 15% higher than men. That's not necessarily a bad thing.

Speaker 11 It just means that our education system needs to, you know, we need to look at the structuring of it and realize that for young boys in particular, they're actually developmentally behind women a lot of the time.

Speaker 11 Is anybody who's had

Speaker 6 affirmative action?

Speaker 9 Men need help.

Speaker 5 Scott Galloway,

Speaker 10 you're so good on this issue. And you're right.
There needs to be compassion. There needs to be an understanding

Speaker 10 of what has happened over the past thousand or two thousand years or whatever. You have to have compassion, but at the same time, you don't assign collective guilt

Speaker 10 to young men, to young boys. And if you do, there are consequences.

Speaker 11 And we need to understand, too, that the enemy is not masculinity itself.

Speaker 11 It's an unhealthy version commodifying masculinity where they basically take what the internet's having the role role that the internet plays here a lot of the time is it feeds on young men's insecurities and sells them the solution to that insecurity whether that's a gun whether that's something else that helps to perpetuate that insecurity more and says here's your answer purchase this product and it's so sinister because it actually makes those men weaker by doing

Speaker 9 what we need to do is realize

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Speaker 6 It looks like this.

Speaker 10 You know, if I can quote Scott Galloway one one more time, and I think I heard him say this on your show.

Speaker 10 For my parents, the definition of masculinity was you worked hard, you played by the rules, and you took care of other people. You took care of people around you.

Speaker 5 You took care of your children. You took care of your loved ones.
You took care of your people.

Speaker 6 And you didn't complain and whine about everything and always be talking about how everything is so unfair and you got a bad deal. It's so unmasculine.
Right.

Speaker 6 Suck it up.

Speaker 9 Suck it up.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Suck your terrible life that is over here.

Speaker 6 Okay, this is an important question. It's for Joe.
What is your favorite album? We don't usually get questions like this, but I guess this is...

Speaker 6 What songs in the past have stood the test of time? Is music today as politically as important as it was in the 60s? I guess it's because you're a musician yourself.

Speaker 10 I'm just such a huge Beatles fan. It always goes between Abbey Road and the White album.
And it's probably Abbey Road, but sort of the desert island album I would take would be the white album.

Speaker 10 So there you go.

Speaker 5 It's pretty boring but it is what it is.

Speaker 7 Do you know what the white album is?

Speaker 11 You have the idea.

Speaker 11 I'm sure I've heard it.

Speaker 9 A dagger in my heart.

Speaker 9 A dagger in my heart.

Speaker 5 So there was this group.

Speaker 6 They were called the Beatles.

Speaker 6 Pretty good. All right, Dad.

Speaker 6 All right, final final question. Has the media ever really figured out how to cover Trump without holding to a lower standard than the other candidates? No.

Speaker 9 No.

Speaker 6 Thank you very much for coming.

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