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Welcome to an HBO podcast. From the HBO Late Night series, Real Time with Bill Maher.
All right, here we are. The co-founded March for Our Lives and the Leaders We Deserve, Pat David Hogg.
He co-hosts MSNBC's Morning Joe. Joe Scarborough, he's a shark on ABC's Shark Tank.
And co-founder of Cost Plus Drugs, Mark Cuban. And the first question is for you, Mark Cuban.
What does the news that Walgreens is closing 1,200 stores mean about the pharmaceutical industry? Will more people opt out of getting their prescription drugs from traditional pharmacies? This is what you're very much into. And it's bad news.
There's these things called pharmacy benefit managers that basically interject themselves and set the pricing for medications. And they make it so, particularly in smaller pharmacies, if you think it's bad for Walgreens, they make it so smaller pharmacies don't even get fully reimbursed when they fill a prescription.
So you're seeing not just Walgreens, but a lot of small pharmacies go out of business, and that's a real problem. Wow.

And your organization, your main goal is just to get the price of drugs down for the people in this place.

We weren't just going to turn it upside down because we brought in transparency.

So we're the first place where you go to Cost Plus Drugs, and we'll show you our cost, our 15% markup, and the actual price that you'll pay.

Nobody else does that.

Wow.

Nice. markup and the actual price that you'll pay.
Nobody else does that. Panel, what does the panel think of people betting on the election? Wow.
I never even thought of that then. I guess people, of course, bettors are going to bet on anything you can bet on.
There was a Wall Street Journal story today about how somebody had thrown like $30 million into the crypto. Well, there's a site called Polymarket.
I'm an investor through a fund, so let me say that up front. I'm honest.
Do you know who's trying to rank it right now? Because, I mean, that was a story today in the Wall Street Journal that somebody's actually dumping $30 million. It's like betting

on the Mets, right? If you put enough money on it,

the odds will change. But

you can't be a U.S. citizen and

bet on the U.S. election

on polymarket. There's other smaller markets,

cash, I think it's called, where you can.

So it's not really an indication of anything.

Well, I think the irony of all of it is a lot of these Republicans

are buying it, thinking that that's going

to determine the outcome of the election. And they're just gaslighting themselves.
Is that right? Yes. I was looking at it when Tim Walsh was up as well, when it was the BP stakes, and you could see it change right before.
Wait, are you saying that those are all foreigners betting on our election? Yeah, 100%. Really? Yeah, other than a small one.
Cashy, they just passed the vote. No, but on Polymarket.
On Polymarket, yeah. That's all foreigners.
All foreigners. So this is like Republicans are excited and say, we don't care about the polls or the early voting numbers.
Look at what the foreigners are saying. And Putin's amazing! Putin's on his phone going, oh, it's good! Yeah, exactly.
It's crazy. Well, I mean, they influence our elections in many ways.
They certainly do. I mean, I kind of alluded to it in the show, but I think the biggest hoax going is the idea that the Russia collusion is a hoax.
It's not a hoax. There was collusion.
Just because Bob Mueller was bad at proving it, there was definitely collusion. That's one of the more maddening things.
I still read the Wall Street Journal editorial page and the op-eds, and it's sort of my go-to in the morning. And it's maddening to even see people on there talking about Russia hoax.
And you just want to say, read the Mueller report. Read everything that's happened.
Ask yourself why, time and time again, Donald Trump's doing things that make no sense. Why does he say in Helsinki in 2018 regarding Russia, I trust Vladimir Putin more than my own intel agencies? Why, as I always tell my kids, if something doesn't make sense, there's a good

reason it doesn't make sense. And it's more dangerous

than even that, because they use it as a jumping

off point. Like, well, since Russia

was a hoax then, and it's like,

but Russia wasn't a hoax. But once

you get them to believe that, that Russia was

a hoax, now anything goes.

But there's such tribalism.

There actually was a Vanderbilt survey,

a poll, and they said, who's a better president? Vladimir Putin. And they asked this of self-identified MAGA voters.
Who's a better president, Vladimir Putin or Joe Biden? Putin, 54 percent. Biden, 18 percent.
Those are Americans. Yeah.
Those are the Republicans. My old party, the party of Reagan, the ones that said tear down that wall and push back against Russian expansion, now they're all in on Putin.
They're all in on Russia. It's bizarre.
Okay, what explains why Trump is doing so well among young men? Well... We have one here.
We have one. We have one.
I think it's a sample size of one for too long. For too long, I think the Democratic Party has had this idea that compassion is kind of a zero-sum game, where somehow if we are talking about the need, the fact that we have a mental health crisis among young men in this country right now, if we're talking about the real needs that young men face, that somehow it's to the detriment of other people, obviously mainly women.
And I just don't think that way. I think that we can care about everybody.
And I think for too long, for too long, there's been a stigma. There's been a stigma around talking about helping, you know, those people, because obviously for thousands of years, talking about men was to the exclusion of women, and I understand the fear around that, but we have to end this taboo, or else it's going to be detrimental to the future of the Democratic Party, because we have to have, you know, both men and women.
It really is. I've got to say one other thing, too.
I told one of my kids, I've got four kids, and one of my kids, kind of progressive, I said when they went off to school, I said, make sure you don't push the young men into the corner. You go into a pretty liberal place.
I also said this to the head of school there. I said, here's the deal.
You tell young men that they are suspects because they are young men, because of the sins of men over thousands, like this collective guilt. You push them into the corner, they will come out Trump supporters.
And I will tell you, one Democrat after another Democrat that's never voted for a Republican before, unlike me, that have said their boys, again, this was back 2016, 17, 18, 19, they would send their seven-year-old boys to school. Their seven-year-old boys would come back with these horror stories about teachers having the boys stand up, the teachers pushing those boys basically into the corner.
Collective guilt for thousands of years of ways that men fucked up. Racially, too, it happened.
Yeah, and what happens when you push somebody into the corner? Andrew Sullivan wrote about this. You push a conservative into the corner, or you push a boy into the corner, they come out more radicalized.
They come out, in this case, supporting Donald Trump. And that's happened to young men.
And I think it's a delicate balance, because we need to acknowledge that although young men, like myself and others, we are not responsible for the creation of that environment in the first place, we also need to understand the history of that and recognize that we have a responsibility as men do. Do you think social media plays a part, just the reinforcement of

memes over and over eight hours a day? I think social media plays a part of it. I think the

commodification of hatred on social media in particular, especially since COVID.

Especially since COVID, right? We know for a fact since the passage of Title IX, for example,

that young men used to get bachelor's degrees at a rate 15% higher than women. Now that rate has

Thank you. COVID, right? We know for a fact since the passage of Title IX, for example, that young men used to get bachelor's degrees at a rate 15% higher than women.
Now that rate has flipped, where women are getting bachelor's degrees at a rate 15% higher than men. That's not necessarily a bad thing.
It just means that our education system needs to, you know, we need to look at the structuring of it and realize that for young boys in particular, they're actually developmentally behind women a lot of the time. It's anybody who's had kids.
They need affirmative action. Men need help.
Scott Galloway is so good on this issue. And you're right.
There needs to be compassion. There needs to be an understanding of what has happened over the past 1,000 or 2,000 years or whatever.
You have have to have compassion but at the same time, you don't assign collective guilt to young men, to young boys. And if you do, there are consequences.
And we need to understand too that the enemy is not masculinity itself. It's an unhealthy version commodifying masculinity where they basically take what the internet's, the role that the internet plays here a lot of the time is it feeds on young men's insecurities and sells them the solution to that insecurity, whether that's a gun, whether that's something else that helps to perpetuate that insecurity more and says, here's your answer, purchase this product.
And it's so sinister because it actually makes those men weaker by doing that. But we need to do it.
We need a healthy version. We need a healthy version of what masculinity really looks like.
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If I can quote Scott Galloway one more time, and I think I heard him say this on your show, for my parents, the definition of masculinity was you worked hard, you played by the rules, and you took care of other people. You took care of people around you.
You took care of your children. You took care of your loved ones.
You took care of people. And you didn't complain and whine and always be talking about how everything is so unfair and you got a bad deal.
It's so unmasculine. Suck it up.
Suck it up. Suck your terrible life.
Okay, this is an important question. It's for Joe.
What is your favorite album? We don't usually get questions like this, but I guess this is... What songs in the past have stood the test of time as music today is politically as important as it was in the 60s? I guess it's because you're a musician yourself.
I'm just such a huge Beatles fan. It always goes between Abbey Road and the White Album.
And it's probably Abbey Road, but sort of the Desert Island album, I would take, would be the White Album. So there you go.
It's pretty boring, but it is what it is. Do you know what the White Album is? Do you have the idea? I'm sure I've heard it.

A dagger in my heart.

A dagger in my heart.

So there was this group.

They were called the Beatles.

Yeah, okay.

Pretty good.

All right, Dad.

All right, final question. Has the media ever really figured out how to cover Trump

without holding him to a lower standard than the other candidates?

No.

No.

Thank you very much for coming.

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