Overtime – Episode #692: Douglas Murray, Sen. Tina Smith, Matt Welch

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It's based on biological sex and excludes transgender people. Yeah, this was a big ruling this week in England.
The Supreme Court, their definition of woman is biological sex. To put it in shorthand, J.K.
Rowling won. Yes.
J.K. Rowling won.
Everyone who said this for years has won. All the, particularly women, who've been defamed and lied about and bullied and chased and much more for years, won.
All the particularly women who've been defamed and lied about

and bullied and chased

and much more for years, they were right.

And I

just think, apart from being a statement of the

obvious, isn't it amazing

that the best legal minds in Britain

spent years having to

work out the first thing we knew as a species?

But just to be clear, we're not saying there's not such a thing as trans, right? We're not saying there's not such a thing as someone who is, quote-unquote, born in the wrong body. I don't think people get born in the wrong body, no.
Oh, I do. I do.
Yeah. I mean, I think there's a default setting for humans.
Yeah. Like, we should acknowledge that.
It's not just every time there's a baby, ooh, who knows what the fuck it is. That's crazy.
But there are... Be on me.
But there are variations. There are variations.
Homosexuality. It's a continuum.
And then, you know, but it's how we handle that. That's right.
I mean, and I think we would agree that, you know, children, and this is where America is now an outlier country. We're the only country that went full, and I guess Trump was reversing it, but certainly under Biden, who went fully toward that.
Like, we don't care what age, kids can self-diagnose themselves. I mean, that to me was going way too far on this.
Again, nobody just comes back to the sensible center. I mean, to me, the sensible center is that, like, you respect people, you trust parents, you let parents figure out what to do with their kids, and you don't need a bunch of politicians in Washington making decisions.
That is not the Democratic position, at least here in California. Well, that's my position.
I'm good. I'm good.
I think that's where the Democratic Party should go. That is not the position that we've had here in California, which is like, don't tell the parents what the kids are doing at school.
That's a whole... And that, you really alienate voters.
Parents are voters. When you're not a parent yet, you know, it's like, oh, voting, whatever.
Sex is not a spectrum. I mean, it's male and female.
There are some people with very unusual conditions who deserve absolute sympathy and support. But that does not mean that we're a hermaphroditic species.
We're just not. No, not the whole species.
But this goes back... I mean, I don't want to use the term chicks with dicks, but I could.

You did.

I mean, this goes back to, like, ancient Rome.

And, like, there was always people who were, like, not quite.

It's not hard to get to toleration and acceptance without rewriting biology.

Right, right.

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What is the legacy of Paul Revere's midnight ride

which was 250 years ago

today? The fact that no

under 40 knows what the fuck

I'm talking about.

Maybe 60.

Yeah, right.

Maybe 60.

Well, maybe the legacy is that we decided we didn't want a king and oh, what the fuck, here we have one. Right.
There you go. Thank you.
What does the panel think of RFK Jr. announcing he will find the cause of autism by September of this year? I think it's when O.J.
finds the real killer. I think it's the...
Well, he's dead, so that's not going to happen. Well, I would say, you know, this is why people think he's a quack.
Because you're not going to put a date on something they've been looking into for 30 years. That's right.
And say, we're going to have it by September. It's not going to be, oh, it's the gummy bears.
But that might be something you say if you think you already know the answer to the question you're asking, and you're going to deliver the answer in September, right? He did speak on... What I read in the paper is he did speak on it this week week and i did not agree with the point of view of the article i was reading which was that he's completely crazy because he was saying it's not mostly genetic it's mostly environmental toxins i happen to believe that's probably a more likely answer and they were saying well no genetics and not could Of course genetics is involved in everything health-wise.

But to present the argument I saw framed in that way,

that he's a kook because he thinks it's coming.

I mean, environmental toxins is really the story of my lifetime.

I'm glad I was born as old as I am

at a time when everything wasn't completely polluted.

I think that's why I'm still alive today. And it just got worse and worse and worse.
And I mean, but the air is less polluted. The water is less polluted.
As countries get richer, they pollute less. When they're industrializing, they pollute more.
There might be individual environmental toxins, yes. But as a broad, like, description of the status of OECD countries, we are polluting on net less.
It depends on where you live, first of all. That's right.
Out here in California, I believe I'm breathing in the fire still. The fire burned a lot of this city, and a lot of this city had plastic in their home.
And we were already getting, they say, a credit card's worth of plastic in our body on a weekly basis. So I don't know what you're talking about, like it's better than it used to be.
I'm talking about I can see the mountains from Long Beach, which I couldn't growing up. I mean, we pass rules, we do cleaner tech over time, and all rich countries do this.
It is a process, it's a whole theory of the case called the Kuznets curve. It's a thing.
It's worth reflecting on and respecting, too. Okay.
Well, you may be sanguine about that. Maybe that's a libertarian in you.
But this is what I worry about more than anything, is the plastic in my head. Because someday it's just going to...
I worry about it too. You should.
You should. After Trump said Federal Reserve Chair Jamon Powell's termination can't come fast enough, do you think Powell will last until the end of his term next May? Now, the president is absolutely not allowed to fire the head of the Federal Reserve, right? Not unless he just commits, you know, massive malfeasance.
And, you know, Jay Powell has said, you can't fire me and I'm not going to leave. So this is a classic example of why we do want parts of our government to be independent from political influence, particularly the parts of our government that are going to have a big impact on the long-term strength of our economy.
So. I give it to December.
You can make a person uncomfortable, and Donald Trump right now is on a making person, people uncomfortable sp he's trying to light fires everywhere and it's it'll be difficult for powell to stay in his job also we're at war we're at war with venezuelan gangs so when you're at war you can do anything right isn't that was not the argument they'll make i mean they'll just make it up this is what happens when you lose all your power there There's one way he'll get fired immediately, which is if he's bad on TV. He doesn't go on TV.
Somebody should send him on. He'll be bad.
The president will hate it. He's gone.
Okay. All right.
Thank you very much. You were a great crowd.
I appreciate it. Thank you.
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