Ep. #663: Charlamagne Tha God, Ana Navarro, Joel Stein

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Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO late-night series, Real Time with Bill Maher.

Hi, everybody.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

How are you doing?

Hello, people.

How are you down there?

Thank you.

Thank all of you.

I appreciate it.

Thank you very much.

You sound happy?

Thank you very much.

Glad to see that.

I think I know why you're excited today.

The Supreme Court has made a ruling, a good ruling.

Hey, they got one right.

They said if...

If you like your abortion pills, you can keep your abortion pills.

That's right.

It's just, we're

talking about the morning after pill.

Actually, I guess somebody was considering actually getting rid of that, but no, they said, look, we took away Roe versus Wade, but we obviously need something where we can abort a child.

And when they said it, they were looking directly at Lauren Boebert.

I don't know if that means anything.

No, that's right.

Of course, there was a dissenting opinion on the court.

It was delivered in the customary, usual way.

Judge Alito's wife made a flag about it.

I tell you, this

Supreme Court, yeah, so they got one right, that's good.

But then the same day, we find out Clarence Thomas, have you been following this story?

Clarence Thomas takes a lot of gifts,

which I don't...

I don't think he's supposed to do that as a judge.

They tallied them up now and came out of the last 20 years.

$2.4 million in gifts.

I don't know about you.

I tell you, Clarence Thomas has come a long way.

I remember when he used to find pubic carrots on his Coke cans.

And now he finds them on Cristal.

I mean, I'm telling you, he's come a long way, this guy.

Okay, so they got one right, and then they did this, the Supreme Court.

Okay, so this is about guns.

In 2017, remember there was a Vegas shooting?

I stayed at that hotel once.

Okay, that was horrible.

Trump was president, banned bump stocks, bump stocks.

You know what bump stocks are?

There's this gadget that you put on a rifle, and it turns into a machine gun.

There's no other way to say it.

It's a machine gun.

It fires a crazy number of...

Okay, now the Supreme Court, so Trump banned it.

Now the Supreme Court has overturned that, overturned the ban.

If this upsets you and and you're liberal, don't think of it as modifying a gun.

Think of it as your gun is transitioning.

But I mean, they say, Trump banned this.

Trump is the one who banned the bumstocks.

And somehow his

Second Amendment-loving fans and supporters, they just don't care.

It just shows it's never about politics anymore.

It's just about the cult.

I mean, he could come down tomorrow at a press conference with blue hair

and a t-shirt that says trans women are women, and they'd go, he has a good point.

But today, it's Donald Trump's birthday.

Very exciting, isn't it?

And listen to this, a Congress, a Republican, of course, Congressman from Florida, introduced a bill to rename the ocean for Trump.

Well, not the whole ocean.

That would be ridiculous.

But yes, a part of the ocean they want to rename for Donald Trump.

You know what?

We're halfway through Pride Month, and I live very close to West Hollywood.

This is the gayest thing I've seen.

And of course, it is Father's Day Sunday.

Where are my father's?

Oh, boy, Father's.

Oh Father's Day.

Yeah, when a five-year-old makes a painting and then you have to pretend you're proud of it as his dad.

Or except in the Biden family when he's 54.

Oh, I kid.

Yeah, I guess it was inevitable.

Hunter Biden, he was convicted.

They had his trial, and it's over now, and he was convicted.

And I think they did make some mistakes.

Maybe it would have have gone this way anyway but I would just say if you're gonna have character witnesses and you're gonna bring on the character witness who are your ex-girlfriend and your sister-in-law try to have them be two different people

I would say

But it says a lot about justice in America, these two trials, if you followed them.

Okay, so Trump was convicted for falsifying business documents.

Hunter was convicted convicted for lying on his gun application.

I think it just shows that porn, adultery, election interference, drugs, guns, that's all good, but do not fuck with bookkeeping in America.

That does not fly here.

And

Hunter's dad, Biden, Joe Biden, our president, is over there in Italy for the G7 meeting and met with the Pope today.

And you know what?

I know Joe's the gaffe machine, but the Pope is the one.

Did you see this?

He's homophobic slur for the second time now in two weeks.

He did it two weeks ago.

He did it again.

Said faggotry.

This is getting embarrassing.

And what's even more embarrassing is every time he says it, about 90 of the cardinals go, yes, Your Holiness?

All right, we've got a great show.

We have Anna Navarro, Joel Stein.

But first up,

he is the intrepid co-host of the syndicated morning radio show, The Breakfast Club, and author of the new book, Get Honest or Die Lying: Why Small Talk Sucks.

Charlemagne the God is over.

Hey,

Dan,

all right.

Hey,

brought you.

I had to bring it out.

You know, if you're going to sell books, this is the place to sell books because your book is selling like crack in the 80s.

Well,

I wasn't going to mention it, but as long as you've done it, what, the craft of the book?

Okay.

Well, okay, so I would have done that for you, but yeah, I read it.

It's fantastic.

You're a very good writer.

Thank you, Mr.

I assume you do that all by yourself without a helper of a writer, because

that's not true.

Mine isn't either.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, we have.

You want me to come out here and lie to the people?

Sure, I write this shit myself.

Right.

Now, my guy, Chris Morrow, he's helped me with all three of my books.

It's the greatest thing to have a writing staff.

Absolutely.

You can steal the best things that come out of someone else's mind and put your name on it.

But okay, so the first thing I want to ask you, because, you know, you are the man when it comes to when people want to ask what's going on in the black community, what does Charlemagne say about it?

I mean, Joe Biden went there last time.

I assume he's going to come back for this election.

Now, how did you get there?

I'm not saying you don't deserve to be there, because I think you do, and I think it's because you're an honest broker.

But what's your assessment, how you got to this place, this perch where you are the voice?

Oh it's not me and I don't even think I'm the voice because you know black people aren't monolithic.

I say some things that people may agree with.

I say some things people may disagree with but I think what people like is they like the fact that they know I'm sincere.

And I think what's sick.

Yeah.

And I think what people,

what these,

you know, what these elected officials, what these artists, what they care about is the audience.

I mean, the Breakfast Club, we talk to like 4.5 million people a month.

We got a podcast that we put out daily that does 15 to 20 million downloads.

They're not coming for me.

They're coming to try to pander to our audience.

That's very modest.

But I mean,

we're nothing without our viewers.

We're nothing without our listeners.

Right, and they have a choice of where to go and they go to you.

Okay, let's not fight about how great you are.

No.

No.

My audience is the best.

God is good, and my audience is the best.

I agree with one of those statements.

Oh, yeah, I forgot.

So,

you know which one.

So let's talk about Morehouse.

Because I know you are not going to endorse Joe Biden.

I'm not endorsing anybody.

Right, I know.

But that doesn't mean I'm not voting.

I understand.

Yes.

But that is a way of indicating where your mind is on that.

I understand.

I don't agree with it.

I am going to vote for Joe Biden if it's Trump and Biden.

I've said it before.

I'll vote for his head in a jar of blue liquid.

But here's the thing, Bill.

But like,

whenever I have these conversations or I come come on these shows, I say the same thing about Donald Trump.

I think Donald Trump is a threat to democracy.

I think he led an attempted coup with his country.

He wanted to, you know, terminate the Constitution to overthrow the results of an election.

And I say I'm voting to preserve democracy.

So when I say those things that I just said, does it sound like I'm voting for Donald Trump?

And I watched this show, bro.

Why don't you just say it?

No, I watched this show a couple weeks ago.

I saw Ken Burke was up here.

Ken Burke said

he doesn't support Trump or Biden, and he's not voting.

You didn't give him no pushback on that.

None.

Who said this?

Ken Burke.

Am I saying his name right?

White guy Republican?

Oh, that could be any of them.

Yeah.

Well.

I don't remember that dude, but I push back on that all the time.

No, he said, I remember it vividly.

He said, I don't support either one of them, and

I'm not voting.

All right.

So I want to ask you about Morehouse, though.

This is the speech that Biden made.

It was graduation.

It was the commencement address.

Presidents give it.

Morehouse,

I guess it's

not all black anymore, right?

Because I think that's against the law, but it's certainly founded as an all-black men's speech.

Right.

Okay.

So what do you think of Biden's message?

Because it was very controversial.

I know you've talked about it.

How would you summarize his message and what are your feelings about it?

I didn't even feel like that was the time for him to even be political.

If he was going to be be inspirational, he should have been inspirational, but it felt like it was just like a lot of doom and gloom.

It felt like you know, it was.

Yeah, it felt like you know, you should vote for me because if not, you know, the sky is falling.

And I just didn't feel like that was the place to be for him to do it.

I didn't even think he should have given the commitment speech.

What I thought he should have did is he should be holding town halls at places like Morehouse College.

Instead of trying to talk to people, he should talk with them.

So

One of the more controversial things he said was he said to the graduating class that you have to be ten times as good to get a fair shot in America.

And can I read what Glenn Lowry and John McWhorter, you listen to their podcast, I think they're great, said about this.

Lowry said, I thought it was the kind of speech you'd have given in 1974, maybe 1984, but not in 1924.

McWhorter, for goodness sake, can we please admit the time passes?

I remember my mother saying that in the 70s when it still made

sense, it's simply not true anymore, and we should celebrate that.

You agree with that?

I don't know if it's 10 times better, but maybe five.

Come on.

You think you have to be five times?

Yeah, when you're black in America, absolutely.

In 2024?

When you're black in America, when you're a woman in America, if you're a black woman in America, absolutely.

I think that's a zombie lie.

Why?

Because I just don't think that's America anymore.

Well, let's talk about Caitlin Clark, because it's similar to to that.

Absolutely.

Okay, so there was a lot of controversy because she's not gotten a big welcome there in the WNBA, which is only 20% white.

Here's the Las Vegas ACES star, Adria Wilson, said.

South Carolina, by the way, 803.

That's where she's from.

I'm from the same state.

Okay, yeah, I know you are.

That's right.

Best woman's player in the WNBA, Adri Wilson.

Okay, maybe now.

I don't know.

No, she has been for the two MVPs.

I don't follow women's basketball.

I said it last week.

I don't apologize.

I don't follow college.

I don't follow lots of sports.

I follow just the big three at playoff time.

Gotcha.

But she said, a lot of people may say it's not about black and white.

She's talking about her and Caitlin Clark and Caitlin Clark getting such a big hoopla.

It really is because you can be top-notch at what you are as a black woman, but yet maybe that's something that people don't want to see.

They don't see it as marketable, so it doesn't matter how hard I work.

Really?

You think that's right?

I mean, I would say the three biggest stars, most untouchable stars, are Oprah, Michelle Obama, and Beyoncé.

So,

and marketable, Serena Williams, Simone Biles.

I mean, LeBron James, Michael Jordan.

I mean, come on.

Caitlin Clark has a tangible quality that nobody can really quantify, and what that is, just the ability to put seats, I mean, to put asses in seats.

Like, you don't know who's going to be a draw, and you don't know who's not going to be a draw.

I mean, there's been plenty of white women basketball players who've come through that have been great, right?

But they just weren't able to draw the type of audience that Caitlin Clark has.

And I think the other thing with Caitlin, anytime you are a race that is in an industry that usually doesn't excel in that industry, it's going to be more of a spectacle.

Whether it's Tiger Woods and golf, whether it's Eminem and hip-hop, whether it's Obama in politics, when you are a race that is in an industry that usually doesn't have people from that race excel in that industry, it's going to be more of a spectacle.

I think that's what going to get to the point.

I think that's the problem that this young woman, there's so many examples where, I mean, black people are very marketable.

Well, ask yourself that.

And she thinks that she seems to have been indoctrinated into this.

They don't see it as marketable, so it doesn't matter how hard I work.

Do you think that's accurate or healthy?

Well, Asia's been in the league for like six, seven years.

She's got two MVPs.

She's won a couple of championships, but she's just getting a signature shoe now, right?

Caitlin Clark's got a $20 million Nike deal already as a rookie.

So

how do do you explain that?

I don't know.

Because this is somebody who apparently, again, I don't know anything about women's basketball, but they said that she broke all the records in college.

In college, yeah.

Okay.

I mean, when people come into the league and they're like the biggest thing in college, isn't that a big deal?

No, because Asia Wilson was the biggest thing when she came out of South Carolina.

That's where I'm from.

So she was one of the biggest things when she came out of South Carolina, number one draft pick.

And she didn't get all of that.

So what do you attribute that to?

I mean, you're saying that's racism.

No, I'm not saying it's racist.

I'm just saying that I think Asia Wilson has a point.

And I think sometimes when

black women say certain things, we should listen, especially her, because I'm not in her shoes.

I don't know.

But why was Serena Williams such a big star?

Because people like that.

They didn't not watch her because she was black, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

So where are we with this?

I don't know.

I'm just sitting back observing the conversation, you know, but I do think...

Well, you're in the conversation.

What do you mean?

I'm not a woman.

I'm not sure that you're in this conversation.

I'm not a woman.

I guess I'm trying to ask.

What are you asking me?

Like, what is the question you're asking me?

Are you asking me, is it racist?

Is Caitlin Clark success because she's only white?

Is that what you're saying?

Like I said, I think that when you are a race that excels in an industry, that race usually doesn't excel.

It's more of a spectacle.

And the fact that she's actually really, really good.

Like you said, she broke the scoring record in college.

But more importantly, people watch her.

People sit down in seats.

They come to games because of her.

She breaks viewership records.

So, I mean, I think all of that plays a part.

I don't know why we act like it has to be one thing.

It can be race.

It could be the fact that she

brings an audience.

It could be all of those things.

Okay, before we run out of time, I know you want to talk about therapy, your time in it, what you think is most valuable about it, and how you get other people involved.

Oh, man, I mean, I'm just a big advocate for therapy.

I started going to therapy in 2016 and it just kind of like you know changed, it just changed my life because I think you know a lot of times me, I was a person dealing with a lot of anxiety, dealing with bouts of depression, a lot of trauma that I never had dealt with and just sitting down and having conversations with people about it and just going on a healing journey period, not just therapy.

I mean I'm into therapy, I'm into plant-based medicine, I'm into meditation, I'm the guy that'll.

Plant-based medicine.

I think I'm into that too.

You are.

You know?

You are.

I've done, I've tried it all though.

I've done, you know, I do weed, I've done microdose, and I've done ayahuasca, but I'm also a big proponent of just taking your shoes off, you know, taking your socks off, and, you know, walking around barefoot in your backyard.

We call that grounding.

Yeah, I hate it.

And why do you think there's so much resistance that people have for getting into therapy?

There's a stigma.

I think it's a stigma.

You know, I think like I use my father as an example because, you know, in 2018, after I wrote my second book, Ship One, which is about me dealing with anxiety and depression and going to therapy for it, my father actually called me because he read the book.

And I also had a cousin complete suicide that week.

And I remember my father told me, he said, yo, man, I was going to therapy two and three times a week.

And I tried to kill myself 30 plus years ago.

And I was on 10 to 12 different medications throughout my life.

And so eventually the state of South Carolina just started giving him a check.

And I remember going to my mom and saying, you know, mom, you know, dad was dealing with all this.

And she said, I just thought he was playing crazy to get a check.

And that's usually what they do.

That's usually what they do.

They just throw money at a problem instead of trying to get to the root of it.

But if my dad had felt safe enough to have those conversations with me years ago, I wouldn't have thought I was just, you know, bugging out whenever I smoked sativa.

All right.

Well, the book

is called Get Honest or Die Line.

Cut that crack, Bill.

Cut that crack.

Great to see you.

I appreciate it.

Stick around.

We'll see you at overtime.

Okay, Charlemagne.

Let's bring our panel.

Hey.

All right, she is a CNA contributor and co-host of ABC's The View.

Ana Navarro is back with us.

Great to see you again.

He writes the weekly column, The End of My Career on Substack, and is the author of the book in Defense of Elitism.

Joel Stein is back with us.

Good to see you, sir.

Okay, a quick

programming note.

Charlemagne was kind enough to mention I do have a book out.

What this comedian said will shock you.

It's okay.

Now, I agree.

Thank you very much.

Because I interview authors all the time, like I just did.

We have a dilemma.

I now am an author, but I can't interview myself.

So next week, I'm going to be the guest

because I'm an author.

And I said, what interview?

Can I get the greatest interview in the world?

No, not you, Joel.

I'm sorry.

It's Jiminy Glick who's going to come back.

Remember Jiminy Glick?

And he's going to interview me.

So you're not going to want to miss.

That's a very

special episode next week.

Okay.

I thought you were going to have the Pope.

He's into comedians later.

So into them.

Right.

But probably you didn't get invited?

To the Vatican.

To the Vatican?

No, but I've been to the Vatican.

I was thrown out of the Vatican.

You were thrown out of the Vatican?

No, not that.

Well, today he said it's okay to laugh at God,

so I think there's a good chance that we may not burn in hell.

Oh, great.

I'm glad we're starting off the show agree.

So this week was a good week for me to understand why I am fed up with both the right and the left.

I'll tell you why briefly, both, and then we'll get into each of them individually.

The right,

because they seem to be subverting the justice system and have no respect for either elections or verdicts.

The left because the Palestinian protest campaign has seemed to entered its crystal-nocked phase.

I'll explain that more later.

But let's start with the justice system because I feel like the justice system is shaky at best.

It's always going to be shaky even when it is good because it's run by people.

But it's still better than, you know, watching if someone floats.

Something like that.

I prefer it.

Right, I agree.

Okay, so, but here we have sort of an apples-to-apples situation here with the two trials we just had.

Hunter Biden, Donald Trump.

I jotted down a few of the similarities.

Both fairly victimless crimes.

Wouldn't have been prosecuted, both of them probably, if their name wasn't Biden and Trump.

Both obviously guilty of the actual crime they were accused of.

Both jury's

unanimous that came back very quickly.

The difference is that no Democrat said, this is rigged,

this is unfair, whereas Trump almost immediately said, we're going to go after the people who prosecuted me.

One side, you can't both sides this.

One side believes in elections and believes in jury verdicts, and one side does not.

I'm going to both side this.

Really?

Yes.

Wow.

Everything you said about how these trials are the same is true, except one is the major candidate from the Republican Party for president who's leading the polls.

Correct.

And the other is like his son.

It's like comparing Ronald Reagan to Billy Bush.

Right.

If Hunter Biden goes to jail, it's not going to affect the election.

But Trump is.

Well, listen, I grew up in a Republican Party that used to call itself the Law and Order Party.

And what we've seen now is that they are somehow against legitimate elections, and they're also against legitimate jury verdicts.

We heard that

Donald Trump couldn't get a fair trial in New York because everybody hated him.

We heard that Hunter Biden couldn't get a fair trial or wasn't going to get convicted in Delaware because everybody loved the Bidens.

Well, it turns out the jury actually did the right thing.

The difference is that the Hunter Biden jury

is out there giving interviews.

The Donald Trump jury is hiding for fear of their lives because the Law and Order Party has got them in the crosshairs.

But the question isn't whether the jury was fair.

The question is whether these things should have come to trial.

And if we're going to have a country that brings every politician to trial for some little thing, or their kids or their friends or their lawyers,

you can have that argument.

Yeah, that's a different issue.

But once it did come to trial, and a jury sat through weeks of evidence.

But that's not what people are complaining about.

No, no, no, that's what they're complaining about.

They're complaining about the fact that he was put on trial.

No, the Republic.

Listen,

there's people that I call Donald Trump's emotional support senators, like Marco Rubio, who are doing things like comparing the American legal system to Cuba, where people get sham trials that end up in executions.

That should make him ashamed, particularly because he represents a place where there are a bunch of Cuban exiles who are the children of people who got executed.

I don't like this direction.

This

Allency's Attorney General, the woman in Maryland who was put on trial for lying about taking money out of her 401k, that she it was an emergency.

I feel like we're putting politicians on trial.

We're locking her up, which is what Trump threatened to do.

And now we're all doing it.

You do think he should go on trial for the other two, right?

For the Georgia one.

Yeah, but I wouldn't be so sad if it didn't happen right around election season.

Listen,

I think we need to do compare and contrast here.

So Joe Biden's gotten asked about, you know, talking about law and order.

He's gotten asked if he would pardon his son.

He has said no.

Right.

He got asked if he would commute.

the sentence of his son.

He has said no.

On the other side, you've got Donald Trump, who has said that he will pardon the January 6th insurrectionists.

They're not even his sons, they're just sons of bitches.

I heard they were terrorists.

Oh,

that's right.

Some of them actually were.

It was a hodgepodge.

There were some people who had very bad intent, and there were just some goofballs who wandered in.

But I agree.

The ones who are indicted?

Yes.

The ones who've been convicted.

Oh, well, some of them.

They're insurrectionists, and they are sons of bitches.

Yeah, some of them are.

But can we separate these two things?

I mean,

going to trial, bringing him to trial, I was never a big fan of this trial to begin with, because I don't think you're going to win it in the hearts of the public.

It should have been brought federally, the one that he just went through, the hush money trial.

No, oh.

The hush money trial.

I mean, it should have been brought federally if it was going to be brought at all because it was an election interference trial it could have affected the election but a lot of things affect the election i agree this kind of looks shady and if they did it they should have done it months ago they should years ago they've had four years to do it and they didn't we're just talking about this other issue which is respecting verdicts i think you make a very good case you can't have this situation where people are afraid that their vote on a jury is going to make them put a target on their back and that's what trump is doing.

This is

they put their lives on hold.

They sat there getting basically no per diem for six weeks, seven weeks, eight weeks, and listened to the evidence one after the other.

They sat there in what Donald Trump called a freezing room.

They didn't even complain about the climate inside the courtroom, right?

And they can't even show their faces in public for fear of their lives and for fear of what could happen to their families.

That's an embarrassment in America.

It's an embarrassment.

All right.

Can I ask one more question about Hunter Biden?

And I'd really like to stop talking about him, except for the death piece, which is really funny.

I don't get this.

The thing with the laptop.

So crazy.

Okay, if you forget what happened here, he's got a laptop.

Now he's a crackhead.

That's the thing.

Well, that is certainly key.

So he drops it off at a repair shop.

Yes.

Well, I didn't even know they existed.

At a strip mall.

Well, like where?

At the palace?

No.

No.

Of course, it's going to be in a strip mall.

He forgets it.

Yes.

Forgets to retrieve it.

Okay, that's all a little weird, but understandable.

But then its contents become the property of the repair shop, which that seems to happen legally.

Again, I don't understand the Justice Department all the time.

So because he forgets to pick up his laptop, this guy now owns it and sells it to Fox News.

This guy has to do it.

Who then can take the pictures of his dick,

disseminate it to everybody in the media who can then hold it up in Congress.

Is there a legal mind here who can explain that to me?

Because I never got that part.

Yeah, don't you crack.

Well, but it's an insane story.

That's not the legal part, though.

Well, we'll see.

How something becomes the property of somebody because I forget to.

I think it's in the Congress.

And how people who in Congress often talk about things like revenge porn and outlawing that

Seem to have no issue with that.

Listen, the moral of the story is: if your

iPad breaks, throw it away and buy a new one.

All right.

Well,

Republicans were very pleased with themselves that they caught a crackhead in a lie.

So we thought, since this is the last time we're probably going to be talking about Hunter Biden until his next trial in September,

it would be a good time since this is a big week to do 24 things you don't know about Hunter Biden,

24 favorite refillables,

24 things you don't know about me.

For example, I can cook an entire gourmet meal on a piece of tinfoil with a torch lighter.

When a woman ODs at your house, it's not as funny as it is in pulp fiction.

My hobby is threatening my father's re-election with democracy on the line.

My celebrity crush is Brittany Spears now.

I'm the reason hotel windows barely open.

Without me, Fox News would need to fill 23 hours of daily programming.

I have a law degree from Yale, although I must have missed the day they covered plea bargains.

I'm the only guy in Delaware whose business is registered in Tijuana.

One time when I lost my gun, I was so high I tried calling it.

And

I feel so much better since I gave up gluten.

Well, that's ridiculous.

Okay.

So let me go to the other side of the equation.

Okay, I mentioned Kristallnacht.

If you're not history buffs, you might not remember.

That was the night in 1938 Hitler was taking over.

World War II was about a year away, but it was starting to get pretty bad for the Jews.

It had been bad for a while, but that was the night that the Nazis rampaged through the streets of Berlin and other German cities, and its Kristenach really means broken glass.

They broke all the shop windows and so forth.

Okay, we're a long way from that here in America, but I just want to say

There was a rally for the October 7th.

The victims were a guy this week said, I wish Hitler was still there, just that somebody can say this out loud.

The head of the Brooklyn Museum, the director of the Brooklyn Museum, had red paint tossed on her home, and they wrote, Ann Pastornak, Brooklyn Museum, white supremacist Zionist.

I mean, you think the red triangle, which is what Hamas uses to signal that someone should be attacked at their home.

It's like the anti-Panassum symbol.

The Nazis used the yellow triangle.

I guess they just changed the colors and the language.

You can say white supremacist Zionist, but it's Juden.

Somebody on the New York City subway.

Raise your hand if you're a Zionist.

This is your chance to get out.

It wasn't somebody.

Did you see that video?

It's crazy.

It's a bunch of kids in Kafiz, and they're on the subway.

And like, are there any Zionists in here?

Like, they're kind of like nervous and having a good time.

They're like, it's your chance to tell us.

Raise your hand.

And then no one did.

They're like, yay, no Zionists here.

You don't.

ask people on a train if they're Jews.

And this is

triggering.

New York.

Yeah.

Where there's a lot of Jews.

I don't even understand how the term Zionist has become a bad thing.

When I grew up, being a Zionist meant that you believed in Israel's right to exist.

I didn't understand what the controversial is.

I also don't understand

a lot of these

people who are doing these protests and who are out there saying they're also not going to vote for Joe Biden.

Well, here's the thing.

If you don't vote for Joe Biden, you're going to help Donald Trump get elected.

And if you think Donald Trump is going to be better for a humanitarian solution in the Middle East, you're smoking crap.

I don't like the way they've changed the meaning of words.

They've changed the meaning of Zionists.

They've changed the meaning of intifada.

And intifada now means to like hug someone.

And they scream it all the time.

And I mean, there's denotations, there's connotations, and then there's this bullshit, right?

Where they tell you that words don't mean what they mean.

Right.

Right.

And besides that, you're right.

There's martyrdom.

I've seen these signs.

I mean, there was a demonstration at the White House also over the weekend.

Very big demonstration.

They had signs like, yeah, jihad of victory and martyrdom.

Okay, jihad, you know, again, it's an elastic meaning.

Is it?

I mean, that's what they would say.

Charitably, I would give them that, but

it means struggle.

But the Holocaust means fire, right?

It's not like you invite Jews over to to have s'morris at your house.

The Holocaust.

Okay.

You can't.

I know what jihad really means.

Yeah.

Everyone knows what it means.

Okay.

But you know,

it's so infuriating and it's so rich to see these people protesting in front of the White House, protesting in favor of Hamas, because they're not protesting over Gaza.

They're not protesting against Israel.

Those people in particular that you just put there were protesting in favor of Hamas.

Guess what?

They couldn't do that in Rafah.

They couldn't do that in Palestine.

They couldn't do that in Gaza.

And so they live in a country, we all live in a country, where we have the freedoms to do that.

And if we want Palestinians to have anywhere near the same freedoms, it's got to be without Hamas.

Yeah, I get.

So, yeah, I mean, again.

Fuck Israel, stand with Hamas, kill another Zionist now, paint it on the statue, death to America, of course, with three K's.

Death to Israel, death to Jesus.

That's the cool way to do it.

Of course, it is.

Yeah, and also Ku Kruck's Klan, because America is run by the Klan, of course.

That's right.

I got a question.

How come it's okay for the left to hate the Jews?

Because obviously, if this was the people at Charlottesville who were doing this, wouldn't there be a bigger outcry?

I don't think that's an apples-to-apple type of comparison.

Because, look, I think what's driving a lot of these protests, a lot of them might be uninformed.

Like I said, I don't agree with a lot of what's being done.

But the images of children that are being killed through war in Palestine, I think, has got people reacting in a certain way.

But people are forgetting that this started because of what happened on October 7th.

And people are forgetting that there is an administration in the White House right now that is every day trying to figure out a solution to this.

And things would be far worse without Anthony Blundkin, who's, I think, aged 20 years in the last eight months going out there on a daily basis trying to get a peace agreement

what's going on is very upsetting and very horrifying and I'm not defending anyone's actions but

what these these college kids are doing that we're excusing because they don't know what they're talking about as if a Yale education isn't better than whatever's happening for these tiki torch IT guys who are in Charlottesville.

They know what they're doing and they know what they're saying and we think it's cute because they don't look threatening because they're like comparative lit majors at Yale, but they have way more power than the people in Charlottesville.

These are people who are going to.

Are you kidding?

If the people in Charlottesville who were chanting Jews won't replace us, I mean, that's bad.

It's not as bad as death, too.

I think death, that's not deplorable.

It's absolutely deplorable.

okay well if one side is deplorables and the other side does something that's I mean if I was a Holocaust survivor and I guess there's not many of those left but if I was I would choose Jews will not replace as over death to Zionists it's a hell of a choice yeah

but you know

I think

I think there's honestly, I think what you just did in talking about Crystal Knight is the type of thing that we have to do over and over again, because I think there's a lack of education, particularly among some young people who have forgotten what the Jews have gone through for millennia.

And I think there's this idea.

We've been trying that for 3,000 years.

But you're going to have to continue trying it for the rest of your existence because

there is no other choice.

We get Spielberg to make movies, we do everything.

It's not sticking.

But I think there's some folks who see Jews as

powerful, white,

educated, and oppressing people of color.

That is one of the things.

The Jews have been persecuted their entire life.

The persecution isn't despite the fact that they think we're powerful.

The persecution is because they think we're too powerful and we're doing devious things behind the scenes.

It's a different kind of persecution, but it's been the same forever.

But I think it's important for folks to understand, for people to know, for people to learn history.

I don't know.

I don't know that people are going to be able to do that.

I don't even excuse these people because they're adorable.

Because

we went to good colleges.

Who's excusing them?

The left.

Yeah, they really are.

There's no condemnation like there was after Charlottesville.

I don't know that.

I mean, I listen, every time I.

My God, I even saw what's his name from the mayor of New York condemning it this week.

You know how much it takes for him to condemn anything?

No, I like him.

You do?

Eric Adams?

You do?

Love him.

Why?

Why do you not like him?

Guys, I think he spends a little too much time,

you know,

having fun and too little time running the city where I spend a lot of time.

We can't do both.

I think you've got to have a better balance of it.

Okay.

Let me ask you about the G7, because that's what's going on right now.

It's the big news overseas.

For those of us who do not want to see Donald Trump re-elected, I would say there's been two big frustrations.

One is the Democrats' inability to get Joe Biden to step aside for someone.

Really?

He's the only person who's ever beat Trump in the election.

Oh, do I have to listen to this again?

It's a fact.

Yeah, well, he did.

Okay, well,

we'll find out in November, I guess.

We'll find out.

Who's your fantasy candidate?

Well, as James Carbill said, any 50-ish centrist Democrat would win walking away.

Okay, but you know.

We are.

But everyone thinks that until Bloomberg prize or until Fred Thompson runs, until Jeff Bush runs.

Everything is going to be a good time.

Listen, today, like you said, is Donald Trump's 78th birthday.

He's 78.

Joe Biden's 81.

Both of them are running on overtime.

They're both running on them.

But we have a binary choice in America, because if you think RFK Jr.

is a choice, you've got to go check if you've got a worm in the brain.

So that's where we are.

So this idea of what could have been, what should have been, my fantasy, this isn't, you know, this isn't a fantasy football.

This is real

democracy on the line.

Right, that you're going to lose.

I don't think I'm losing.

I'm with you.

I'm voting for him, even if he's on life support.

Right.

But that's, but it could be better.

And it still could be.

But these are.

I said.

Have you ever seen it?

I said it a couple of weeks ago.

I said, you know, I don't think it's too late to switch him out before, you know, before the convention.

And everybody said, oh, you know, you're on drugs.

And this week I see

in the Atlantic,

who was it?

I forget.

Somebody was on the same page, quoted me, calling him Ruth Bader Biden.

Oh, Mark Liebovich.

And then Brett Stevens said the same thing.

Somehow I always go from being on drugs to write in the mainstream in two weeks.

But, okay.

But anyway, I didn't even get to the second part of this.

That's my...

My first frustration is that I think they could have done that and they should do that and should still do that.

Second one is immigration and how they've handled it.

This G7 meeting, which is, of course, the cool kids of the world get together, the seven big countries, the seven big Western industrialized countries get together.

And this year it's in Italy, okay?

Hosted by Georgia Maloney.

She is the prime minister of Italy.

The liberal media does call her a fascist every time they can.

Her party has roots in fascism, I always say.

And the Democratic Party has roots in slavery.

and Jim Crow.

And not that long ago, Robert Byrd was the Senate majority leader in my lifetime, and he was in the Klan.

So it's not a matter where your roots are, it's where you are now.

So I don't think she's a fascist, but

what she is, is the only one who's strong on immigration in the European Union.

And they just had the European Parliament, there were voters again for the European Parliament said, we do not like this much immigration.

And calling her a fascist reminded me of what David Frum said, oft-quoted.

He said, if liberals insist that enforcing borders borders is a job only fascists will do, then voters will hire fascists to do what liberals won't.

Voters keep saying over and over again, we are not comfortable with this level of immigration, and I understand why.

It doesn't make you a racist to say that.

And yet, the liberal parts of certainly in America, Alex Padilla said last week, he is our senator here,

by reviving Trump's asylum ban, Biden has undermined American values.

And then they all stand back and go, we don't want to be called a racist, so we will not make a move on immigration.

It's going to get them fucked at election day.

It's happening, it's happening in Europe right now.

It proves it in Europe, and it's going to happen here in America.

It happened with Brexit.

It's going to happen again.

There are other roots of this far-right populism besides immigration.

I mean, India has far-right populism.

Just got rejected.

Modi just lost those elections big time.

Yeah, but he's been there for a very long time.

Yeah.

with a lot of anti-Muslim hate.

And that's it's...

Yes, that's a whole different kettle of fish.

Well, I think

there's a real moral reason that we should let people into this country who are suffering any number.

No, no, I mean...

But that's their point.

I hate to agree on technicalities.

Yes, you need

to get reasonable amounts of people here.

You need a way to process these people.

You need to make sure that they're safe.

But we need immigrants.

If we want this, no one one in America need some immigrants, but this even we need immigrant kicks because they're not protesting in front of the White House.

But you know, I mean, even

64% of Latinos support giving the president authority to shut down the U.S.

borders.

62% of registered voters would deport all migrants living in the U.S.

illegally.

They don't hate immigrants.

They don't hate immigrants.

I am an immigrant.

I am an immigrant.

I came fleeing communism in Nicaragua in 1980.

Right.

Problem we have right now is that some of the countries where most of the immigrants are coming from to the border are precisely places like Cuba, like Venezuela, like Nicaragua, and like Haiti, which is Bedlam right now.

So when there's that type of desperation, people will do crazy things like walk thousands and thousands of miles to the border.

We need a comprehensive immigration reform.

We need a comprehensive plan.

We need to be able to have places that may not be the United States where people can flee to.

Because if you are fleeing communism, if you are fleeing gang violence, you are not going to stop fleeing.

Okay.

Got to end it there.

Thank you guys.

Time for New Rule.

Okay.

New rule, now that North Korea has sent balloons filled with excrement into South Korea.

True, and South Korea has responded by blasting BTS music into North Korea.

The UN must award this round to South Korea, because the excrement, that can be used as fertilizer.

Whereas the BTS, that's just shit.

I kid, I love BTS music.

New ruler, the police must stop using DNA to catch serial killers.

It works so well, America hasn't had a serial killer in years, which sure benefits society now, but but what about in a few years when we run out of true crime podcasts?

Then what are white women going to listen to on power walks?

New rules, now that this newly deciphered manuscript has been identified as the earliest known account of Jesus' childhood, we have to find the rest of it because we never get to hear about his childhood.

We hear lots about his birth, lots about his early 30s, but nothing about his days in youth soccer, or

when his voice changed during choir practice,

his awkward yearbook picture.

And most traumatic of all, how he was always being harassed by college students because he was a Jew living in Palestine.

Neural, someone must tell the Nigerian wigmaker who created this 12-foot-wide hairpiece that it looks great on you and you can't even tell.

All right.

Neural, now that municipal workers have no idea how to dispose of this rare seven-foot hoodwinker sunfish that washed the shore on an Oregon beach.

I have two questions.

Are you sure that's not the new Tesla?

And where's red lobsters all you can eat when you need it?

Go ahead, Winter.

And finally, new rule, this Father's Day.

If you really want to give your father something he'll treasure forever, give him permission to be a dad like dads used to be.

And before you start in with, but Bill, what do you know about it?

You're not a parent.

Yeah.

I don't give blowjobs either, but I can tell when someone is doing it wrong.

So no, I don't have kids, but I sit next to yours at restaurants.

I see parents in stores kowtowing to brats like they're congressmen groveling before Trump.

I've seen a seven-year-old ram a shopping cart into someone's coccyx and the parent just shrugs and gives a look like, kids, what are you going to do?

Raise them right.

That's what you can do.

For as long as I've had a television show, the issue of parents overindulging their children has been a topic of discussion.

So it's not like it's new, but it hasn't gotten better either.

We were talking about trophy syndrome in 1993, and then it was helicopter parenting, and then bulldozer parenting.

And now we have gentle parenting, or as it used to be known, negotiating with terrorists.

British author Sarah Ackwell Smith, who coined the term, said, the key here really is thinking, would I like it if someone did this to me?

If the answer is no, then why would you do it to your child?

Because they're a child?

Would I like it if someone stripped me naked and plopped me down in a tub of water?

No, but with a kid that's just bath time.

I keep hearing how parenting is so hard these days.

Yeah, because you're making it hard.

Gentle parenting, it's like a Taco Bell breakfast.

The reason it feels wrong is because it is.

And it's ruining lives on both sides of the equation.

Parents, it's ruining your lives because you've made yourselves a butler to a five-year-old.

And the kids because the results are in.

And all this letting the kids run the show, path of least resistance child rearing, is harming them.

The average high high school kid today has the same level of anxiety as the average psychiatric patient in the early 1950s.

A recent survey of employers found that about one in five recent college graduates brought their parents with them to a job interview.

Our kids are crippled with anxiety because they haven't been properly prepared for a world that doesn't revolve around them.

Exactly.

Almost 10% of college students claim to have PTSD.

From college, the cradle of safetyism, the home of safe spaces and trigger warnings and policing offensive words.

You're not supposed to get PTSD in college.

You're supposed to get an STD.

The National Institutes of Health says that roughly half of teenagers now have a mental health disorder at some point in their lives, which tells me one thing.

The National Institutes of Health is also part of the problem.

The mental health disorder is on the part of the adults, not the children, the adults who forgot that to a child, discipline is love, and that kids need structure and authority.

Of course they think they have traumatic stress disorder disorder when they get to college if before they left the house they never heard the word no.

Never heard you're wrong.

Never heard wait, wait.

A lot of life is waiting.

Yeah, waiting for your boss to recognize your worth.

Waiting for love to bloom.

Waiting for your career to take off.

Waiting for your partner to be finished in the bathroom,

waiting for your porn to download,

for your vape to charge,

for the drugs to kick in,

For your eyebrows to grow back after you do something stupid on drugs.

It's vital you learn as a kid how much of life is going to be waiting.

And boundaries.

Jesus, yes, boundaries.

Sex dolls set set more boundaries than today's parents.

This is why the traditional dad, the trad dad, needs to make a comeback.

Not all the way back to the 1950s psychopath who never said he loved you and hit you with a belt, no.

But just back to the dad who believes that, because I said so, is is a perfectly legitimate answer to any question a child may have.

Just back to the dad who would never say anything as stupid as, my kid is my hero.

Or where do you want to eat dinner?

Or one more story and then we really have to start thinking about going to bed, okay?

Yeah.

Trad dads don't negotiate.

They say, you will apologize to your mother.

Don't make me turn this car around.

Some things just happen because life is unfair.

Clean your room.

Be quiet.

The adults are talking, and it's not all about you.

Mostly, a trad dad knows he's your parent, not your friend.

Hey, buddy, isn't in his vocabulary.

He isn't your emotional support animal.

He's simply a guy who understands the job, to raise an adult who can survive in the wild.

There's a long-running

TV show in Japan called Old Enough, where parents send children, as young as two, on errands by themselves.

Sometimes the kids cry and sometimes they come home with the wrong stuff, but that's okay.

That's how you learn.

Meanwhile, in this country, parents strap leashes to their kids like they're escorting a serial killer on Conair.

And children are constantly tracked like they're the last surviving albino tiger instead of just another white kid named Liam.

But what happens, what always happens when uber liberal bullshit goes too far is it produces a far more damaging counterreaction.

In the absence of traditional fathers, teenage boys these days are turning to meathead misogynist influence like Andrew Tate.

Ever heard of him?

Well, your kid has.

He's popular with teenage boys because when we don't give them a masculine male role model, they look up to,

they go out and find one.

And being teenage boys, of course it's going to be the worst possible one.

Andrew Tate is a man who answers the question, what if Axe Body Spray could talk?

He's so anti-woman, I don't think he even has a mother.

I think he was born when lightning struck a jug of protein powder.

And now he's your teenage son's favorite thinker.

Did I mention he's a big Trump fan?

So this Father's Day, let's give dear old dad the gift of being dear old dad.

And also.

And also, shut up.

He's trying to watch the game.

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