Overtime – Episode #663: Charlamagne Tha God, Ana Navarro, Joel Stein

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Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO late-night series, Real Time with Bill Moss.

All right, here we are, number time.

She's a CNN contributor and host on ABC's Review.

Ana Navarro,

he writes the weekly column, The End of My Career, on Subsack Joel Stein.

He hosts the syndicated radio show, The Breakfast Club.

And his new book is Yet Honest or Die Lying Charlemagne the God.

Okay.

All right, what do you think, panel, of Martha Ann Alito?

That is Justice Alito at the Supreme Court, his wife who likes flags.

Okay, it's flag day.

Today's flag day.

Is it reflective of a larger phenomenon in the U.S.?

How is there not a bravo show, The Real Housewives of the Supreme Court?

I would wash the crap out of that.

Mrs.

Alito and the double wide with Mrs.

Thomas?

Well, I mean,

the

fact that this country is so politicized, it's almost inevitable, I think, that the flags would get involved.

So many flags.

I don't know what they mean.

But you know, this lady said, Mrs.

Alito, that she, that what makes her tick, what makes her happy, her hobby basically, she's not knitting, she's not playing pickleball.

No, she's making up flags in her head.

She's got one where she wants to put out the word Vergogna, which is Italian for shame.

Except she's not Italian.

She's not Italian?

No, she's married to an Italian, but she kept telling this woman,

the activist,

that she was German.

And I kept thinking to myself, if she is spewing all of this to this woman who she doesn't know at a public event, just imagine what that lady does in private.

But wait.

To be fair.

Okay.

So is she flag phobic?

God hates flags.

Well, it started when her neighbor, this is what I read, started when the neighbor put up a fuck Trump sign.

Which is obnoxious.

Didn't she get spit on and called the C-word?

Yes.

Which is also obnoxious.

Yeah, but when you buy a house on the Jersey Shore, like the real estate tells you that's going to happen.

You know, this is the problem with America, though.

We never actually talk about the issue.

You said the flag said fuck Trump.

So her actual issue is somebody that I assume she supports, right?

Somebody put a flag up insulting that person.

How does it become the flag's fault?

Right.

Americans, you never know how to discuss the issue.

Emma.

Like instead of talking to each other, we just put up flags.

Well, they're better than bumper stickers because you don't even have to read three words.

I will tell you, I have been surprised and amazed by the number of flags that I didn't know about.

that exist in America.

You're talking about the pride flags.

No, that one I know about.

No, there's like 12 of those.

Well, There's the one that she makes up in her head.

There's the,

what is it?

Elevate to Jesus.

What's the one that she flies?

Appeal to heaven flag.

There's the upside down flag.

The upside down flag.

We wasted like three months of our country's time upset that you can't kneel when the American flag is up.

And now you can like turn them upside down and make them black and white.

That's what the rules have changed.

I mean, well, I made that point a couple of weeks ago, that the fact that the Republicans can do anything that is so unpatriotic and they don't don't get called for it.

If a Democrat flew the flag upside down, they have patriotic immunity.

It's just the weirdest thing.

That's how I feel about when Trump said he wanted to terminate the Constitution to overthrow the results of an election.

That's the most unpatriotic thing to say.

Exactly.

Somebody that wipes their ass of the Constitution.

Charlemagne, this is for you.

Is Trump dangerous because he's funny?

What the fuck?

No cool.

Trump is dangerous because at one point he was president of the United States of America and he's running to be president of the United States of America again.

If he wasn't, you know, running to be in that position, he'd be the most hilarious person on the planet.

I mean,

do you actually, you're a comedian, do you actually find him funny?

Because people are laughing at him.

Unintentionally.

Yes.

He's a scream.

If he were.

Oh, he's so funny, but he doesn't know it.

Every time I

No, really.

And then there are people like that.

There are.

He has no.

When I listen to him, when he's talking in those rallies about the sharks and the batteries, I'm waiting for the men in white jackets to show.

Only because he's running for president.

If he wasn't running for president, you'd be like, this stand-up is amazing.

But

he sounds, and I've heard you talk about this subject before.

He sounds like more of a normal person.

Yes.

And that, I know you say that the Republicans have a big advantage because they

talk like real people.

I mean, Republicans are more sincere about their lies than Democrats are about their truth.

Like when you listen to Donald Trump talk, you listen to Marjorie Taylor Greene, that's what Waffle House sounds like at 3 in the morning.

And sadly, people relate to that.

I've got to disagree with you on that because I think a lot more people disagree with having a fuck-up in their family who got on drugs than they do with paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in hush money.

Yes, I agree.

But

that fuck-up in your family on drugs is so funny when he's not stealing from you.

Right.

He's hilarious.

Give him $20, make him dance.

You never did that?

Okay.

Just me.

What impact will the Supreme Court's decision to strike down the ban on gun bump stocks have?

Okay, so

look, I'm not the biggest expert on guns,

but I try to understand

and not just talk because that I hear a lot.

People who don't know anything about guns and talk about them.

I'm trying to limit what I say commensurate to my knowledge, which is not that much.

Okay, bump stocks I understand are this thing you can attach to a gun and it basically becomes a machine gun.

And a machine gun is illegal in America.

So I don't understand how they could make this

legal.

Well, what the majority argued was that it wasn't a machine gun.

But if you go on YouTube, anybody go on YouTube and look at the same gun with a bump stock and without it, and the amount of bullets that can come out of it when it's got the bump stock are

immense, immensely increased.

And so I think it was Sonia Sotomayor who said it in the dissenting opinion.

The consequences are going to be lethal.

The consequences are going to be catastrophic.

And she said, Look, when I see a bird that walks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck.

This is a machine gun.

Right.

Whatever you want to call it.

When they are.

If Donald Trump thought it was a machine gun, Donald Trump banned these things.

I mean, these folks have become so, the Supreme Court has become so conservative, they're overturning Trump.

And yet, on the same day, they ruled unanimously for the abortion pill.

No, they didn't.

They ruled that they didn't have standing.

They didn't rule on the issue.

But isn't that essentially saying that

means that the people who brought the legal action had not suffered any harm?

It's like, you know, it's like this audience bringing an action for X, Y, research.

I don't buy that argument.

I think the law is whatever anybody says they are.

It's what they want to rule on, and then they will find a reason.

There is a whole fucking wall of books behind them.

If you can't find some law in there to back up what you really want to say in your ruling, then you're not a good lawyer.

And they do it all the time.

So if they, for some reason, they wanted to keep...

The difference is, though, that by not ruling on the actual legal issue, that legal issue could come up again if it is brought by folks who do have standing and who can prove that they've somehow been harmed.

What is the reason why anyone would need a gun to fire that many rounds?

I mean a mass shooting.

Well, but you can't really give that reason.

I'm just saying

what is the rationale?

But if you're going into, if you're arguing this in court and you were saying, you know, we really need these bump stocks because, I don't know, my house is being attacked by the North Korean Army.

I need to shoot a thousand of something when I go out hunting.

I don't understand where you even get that rationale.

It would be something involving some type of fear.

I don't know what the fear would be, but it would be something involving this person is afraid of something.

Zombies.

Zombies.

Okay.

God damn America.

We used to be a proper country.

Yeah, we did.

We used to be a proper country.

There's a flag for that.

Does Hillary Clinton.

Wouldn't it be nice if that was a question on the form?

What?

In addition to asking if you're on drugs while you're buying the gun, why are you buying this gun that can shoot this many people with such a huge gun?

What's your challenge?

What do you think?

Right now, a lot of people, you know, as crazy as it sounds, a lot of people would say civil war.

Like, you would be surprised how many people stopped me in the street.

I literally had somebody stop me in the street and say to me that regardless of who wins in November, there's going to be a civil war.

And they were dead serious.

Yes.

And this was just like a white guy with some khakis and a polo on.

That's right.

He was serious.

You're right.

You know, you actually hit it on the head.

That's what this is about.

They think the war is coming and you're going to need machine guns.

Good night, everybody.

No, I'm not going to.

One more.

Let's look at such a depressing run.

Does Hillary Clinton, does Hillary Clinton endorsing Jamal Bowman's challenger signal that mainstream Democrats are tiring of the squad?

Okay, this is very inside baseball for those who don't fire him.

It's very inside New York.

Politics.

Jamal Bowman is a member of the squad.

He is a Democratic congressman from New York, very far left.

He's being challenged and kind of anti-Israel.

He is being challenged in the primary by a more eccentrist Democrat who Hillary Clinton has endorsed.

That's the background of this.

There's a split in the party.

It's been going on.

Right.

I mean, since Bernie Sanders ran.

But on October 7th, it became very clear.

And it's generational.

And it's ideological, it's philosophical, and it's

I don't know where it's going to wind up.

Well, it's going to be fun at the convention.

I know Jamal.

I wouldn't say Jamal is, I don't think he's anti-Israel.

He's anti-the war that Israel is waging on Gaza, or what they call a genocide, right?

It's not a genocide.

That's really not.

I'm not, that's their language.

That's what they're learning.

That's their language, and it's erroneous.

And that's what he's against.

So, yeah, I think that...

We're all against war.

Yeah.

At a point, at some point, you have to make reasonable

practical decisions.

If you think Hamas should be wiped out, and they did attack Israel, and they are avowed to wipe out Israel, they are the ones who actually are saying we would commit a genocide.

And we do not want a ceasefire.

And we do not want a ceasefire, and we do not want a two-state solution.

If you think they have to be wiped out, then Israel is going to have to conduct the government.

Do you think Netanyahu wants a ceasefire?

No.

No.

Of course,

so does everybody in Israel.

Netanyahu's days are numbered, but even when he goes, I know lots of people who have been to Israel, the policy will continue.

It's like they have to finish this war.

But as long as Netanyahu keeps this war going, he doesn't have to answer the question of how the hell did this happen in the first place.

How is it possible that Hamas was training hundreds of feet from the border of Israel with the Mossad and the intelligence capabilities?

And as long as he keeps this war going,

He doesn't have to answer the question.

But to answer your question, I do think Hillary is supporting the other candidate because the candidate is pro-Israel and Jamal is labeled anti-Israel.

To answer the question, right.

Okay.

But you know, we have to figure out a way to talk about this issue where we are not telling young people

that they're dumb.

Because when people, when we were young and people told us that, it didn't work.

So

I don't know how to do it.

I don't know how to explain.

I do.

How?

I don't tell them they're dumb.

They're not dumb.

They're ignorant.

There's a difference.

There's a difference.

To call someone stupid, yes, that's wrong.

Stupid, you can't help because you're fucking stupid.

You're just stupid.

Ignorant just means you don't know something.

We are all ignorant of almost everything.

There's practically infinite things in this world you could know about.

I don't know about 99.99999% of them.

But calling them ignorant would be a terrible electoral strategy.

It's electoral, yes.

Electoral, yeah.

Electorally, that would be a terrible strategy.

But it is the truth they are ignorant

is a bad electoral strategy right now.

And also nowhere in the world where the far left is winning.

The far right's winning, centrists are winning, but the far left isn't winning anyway.

The ignorance is not their fault because they let them out of school that way.

The ignorance is the part of the people, the adults and the educators who don't do their job anymore.

And they let you out of school.

They will sign that diploma and you don't know a fucking thing.

Really?

Certainly not about this issue.

No, they don't.

Listen.

This is an issue that is incredibly complicated.

That people in Congress don't know about this.

They sure don't.

To Anna's point, though, they should find a way to talk about it because dismissing all of those young folks is not going to help them in November.

That is true.

And when you look at what's going on in Michigan, when you have a bunch of voters voting non-committed, I don't know how they're going to flip that switch come November to say, hey,

let me tell you something.

The last thing you want is Donald Trump

doing foreign policy with Netanyahu.

they're going to turn Gaza into a pavement, you know, into a parking lot.

That's right, it's not going to be any better.

That's what I'm saying.

But it's got to also work both ways.

Like,

the young people have to listen to people who are older than them and not just say, I don't agree with you, you're old.

You're just saying, get off my lawn.

Oh, you're just, that's a good idea.

You know what?

First of all, you can.

Well, they are saying that because they don't want them protesting on the lawn of the college campuses.

But they are saying,

get off my lawn.

I mean,

what I'm always saying to him is: don't say that to me.

Don't say you're old or you're just saying get off my lawn.

Engage with the idea.

Then I will respect you.

Engage with the idea.

And by the way, you could never get near my lawn.

All right.

Thank you very much, everybody.

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