Overtime - Episode #429: Pee Tape, Fake News, Death Threats

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Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Late Month series, real time with Bill Ma.

Okay, here are the questions for Malcolm.

Do you think that the original P-Tape dossier will prove to be true?

Well, we know what he's talking about.

He's talking about Christopher Steele's.

Christopher Steele's dossier, where he claims that there was a tape with prostitutes urinating on the hotel bed.

And Trump did address that with Comey.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, and I said this on TV the other day, but there was much more to the tape, just the peeing.

Sure, but you know, all the horrible things that were in the dossier, you know, alleging that he was going to get a $19 billion payoff from Rusnaf, alleging that he was going to be spying on Russian oligarchs in the United States, all of these things, you know, you should not be calling the former director of the FBI and going, no, the P-tape's not true.

Right.

I said this on Chris Hayes, cop to the hookers.

Right.

The rest of that dossier.

He's bad.

Right, exactly.

It's the least of it.

Right.

And he's already sort of inoculated on that issue.

We've already seen the Hollywood access tape.

If people elected him after that, the hookers is less.

Okay.

Let's see.

Eddie, what is your favorite country to perform in?

And in which...

Yeah, that's fascinating.

You perform in four languages.

What are the languages?

Spanish, German, French.

My French is pretty good.

My German's getting the Spanish just started, but got an amazing range of countries I can go and play.

But comedy is so delicate.

I mean, it's harder to do it in your own language.

How can you do it in a language where it's not your first language?

It just works.

I mean, I've got this joke in English.

Caesar, Joe about Julius Caesar.

Caesar, did he ever think he would end up as a salad?

And

in French, it's exactly the same.

Caesar esquires jamie magenais que anjour il finéré en salad.

And they laugh at exactly the same place.

And in German, the verb goes at the end of the sentence, so it's even weirder, but it still works.

Cesar had Jegeraks, did he ever think that's er einmal, that that he one time alts zalat end in Werde as salad end up would have.

And they still, even though the verb is right at the back, they still get it and they still laugh.

Everyone gets it.

Humor is human and not national.

References are the things that screw it up.

Wow.

Good.

Alex, how would you define fake news?

It's a great question.

First of all, by the way, I love Eddie, by the way.

I used to watch your stand-up special with my dad, also a Breitbart editor, by the way.

Right.

Dressing like a woman before was cool.

That's cool.

Well, I don't say I'm dressing like a woman.

I just say these, you know,

I'm just wearing clothes, you know.

Like women, when they wear pants, they're not dressing like men anymore.

And lipstick and eyeliner.

Yeah, I'm just going for equal rights for everyone.

I love the males, too.

So for fake news, it's a great question, and there's no real definition for it.

I think that the left tried to make fake news.

I thought the goal was going to be anything that's right of center, anything that people on the right want to talk about and not the left.

And the right quickly reappropriated it to anything that was the least bit false that an establishment or left-wing outlet put out.

So that's the parlor trick.

That's what the right did, is they saw the word fake news.

The left is going to use this to harm us, potentially use it to get us banned from social media or demoted from social media.

media.

And the right said, we have to take this term back for ourselves.

And I think they did an effective job.

But that was a lie because fake news was things that people knew when they were writing them were absolute bullshit.

They were putting it out there just to confuse people because people read and they don't check things out and then they share it.

And we saw that, like the thing about Hillary Clinton running a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor.

That's fake news.

That's different than what Trump calls, what Trump's definition of fake news is just any news I don't like.

So

I cannot

quite.

Well, I sort of have a bone to pick with you.

You're Breitbart, right?

And you don't do fake news.

That's what you're asserting here?

Yeah, you know, there was this article about a 35-year counterterrorism expert who claimed that they wanted Trump Tower attacked that was written in Breitbart.

I got 31 death threats from that, and that came from your website.

So you're going to secure that right now?

You're going to apologize to me?

I'm sorry to say it.

I'm sorry to say it.

I spent decades hunting terrorists.

So that's fake as hell.

You don't have to share your bona fides with me.

I respect you.

I respect your story.

But your followers threaten my family, my children, my wife.

Are you really suggesting that Breitbart doesn't get death threats, that our lives aren't put in danger?

No, no, no, no.

No, no, you can apologize to me now.

All right, I'm not threatening you.

I'm not a story, and if the story is as you describe it, I'll be happy to offer you a break.

I will come to your office to see that retraction.

Okay, I would love to see it.

Send it to me.

You're welcome.

And if that's the case,

I think Megan Kelly shouldn't interview him.

I gotta tell you, Malcolm, by the way, was liked by both sides of the aisle until Trump became president and he became a hysterical person like you are.

And so this is a change.

I am sorry, Leo.

People on the right.

Now

he's demanding apologies for me for a story.

Print out the story.

Now that's let me see.

That isn't hysterical.

That's just him getting angry at 31 death threats.

Look, come on.

That's not hysterical.

You know,

this man is not hysterical.

This is angry.

This is

he called one of the key members of Trump's administration gerbils.

It's anyone who's comparing him to Trump white.

I got you.

I called him baby girbles.

Baby Gerbles.

Okay.

Fake music.

And by the way, can I just say that?

He's actually

causing him death threats when he's saying people on my side of the aisle are Nazis.

In the meantime, you've got crazy people shooting up a Republican baseball practice.

Where is that?

That is not exactly calling someone a Nazi, Alex.

You know that.

I'm sorry.

No, because

Goebbels was a propagandist.

I think that's the message here.

For?

Yes, for the Nazis.

Yes, I understand.

Well.

Okay.

Well, hang on.

Okay, let me say something.

I'm going to just say something that Hitler said.

If you lie big enough, people will believe it.

And that's where it seems to go on.

On the extremist side.

Very good at it.

If you lie big enough, and that's it.

You you couldn't lie.

And what you did, I've got to say, even though you like my stand-up, when he said, Could you please apologize for this, you moved into spinning it around and bringing in the shooting recently, and sort of, and that got very muddy very quickly, which is a technique I feel that is used.

Somebody says something, this is a problem, and they say, ah, but there's other problems.

I mean, we do it in the UK as well.

They get up in Prime Minister's question time.

Someone says, Well, you tell me about this, and say, Well, what about that that happened a year ago?

And then it all gets muddied, and that is.

So the first thing you do in that situation is take away the heat and say let me look into it I understand

the first thing you just jumped no and I would say that this exactly I have people that jump me all the time online and you know what I do I have a troll of the week because I don't have many followers and I find the one that I think is kind of most offensive at the end of the week I'm like here you're the most effective troll in other words yes there are a lot of people out there spewing hatred calm the fuck down I mean Jesus

yes I am I'm saying we're all only responsible for ourselves, and all we can do is take responsibility for the way we respond when people go nuts.

So if you thought he was, then you calm it down.

You don't say, oh, I can bring it.

I saw Senator Warren come out the other day and say, Trump hasn't begun to see nasty yet.

That's not useful.

I mean, come on.

You'll agree with that, right?

Let's not go there.

Right.

Ted Nugent, come on the show.

Yeah.

All about Ted Nugent coming on this list.

The second you guys stop calling us Nazis and fascists and racists, then yes, Well, the only thing, the last time we saw this happen was the 1930s, and that's when they were out and doing it.

And they did raise the game.

And if you watch what happened in Germany, it was at

the center-center-left, they were all fighting amongst each other, and it got very extreme.

And is it fair?

It got very violent.

I mean, the Nazi thing did happen.

And you can compare someone to Hitler without the part about killing all the Jews.

For example, Donald Trump, I think, is very similar to where Hitler was

not leaving that part out, like in 1942, when Hitler was going crazy and the high command, right, was like, oh my God, what are we going to do?

Because he's telling us that we can't withdraw from Stalingrad.

That seems to me where people are in the Republican Party are going to with Donald Trump now.

Now, I'm not saying he's an anti-Semite.

I'm not saying anything else about a comparison with Hitler.

But, I mean,

this is a historical entity that I don't think can be completely off bounds.

And it's not saying we're comparing him to Hitler in that way.

Isn't that fair?

I don't think that that's fair at all.

And I think that

you can keep using these tactics, but Trump and the Rasmussen poll today, 50%, I don't think it's working for you guys.

So please go ahead, keep comparing us to Nazis and Hitler, and we'll see how it goes for you.

I agree with you.

I don't think he is Hitler.

I think he's George III in 1783.

And by the way, the cherry-picking, right?

Like the Rasmussen, the fact that, you know, you'll go and you'll take a look at the ball.

That was the most accurate poll I laughed about.

Which is a big deal.

Which is by far the most active.

You act as if the audience is stupid.

And that's not useful, right?

I mean, it will play well to your base.

So again, if it's about money and clicks, I get it.

But at the end of the day, I mean, it's really important to bring in the business.

Like you put them all out.

No, if you watch Trump, of course.

I mean, the level when he's putting out tweets and he's talking about his polls, I mean, it's astonishing the level of stupidity that he presumes of the people that are actually following him.

And yes, it works, but it really damages our country.

Okay, how about last question?

Sorry, I came out for overtime.

I'm having fun.

All right.

Will great shirt, by the way.

Will Trump fire.

Will Trump fire Robert Mueller?

Deathly silence on the board.

I think he might.

I think he might.

If he gets angry enough, sure.

I mean, he's proven that he's not going to go by the rules that everyone else wants him to.

The establishment, media, everyone else.

I think if he feels like it, no one's going to stop him.

I think if he gets approval from his base,

if he starts reading Breitbart comment sections, Mueller's dead.

It's gone.

All right, let's leave it there because

we're not screaming.

Thank you, everybody.

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