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On the internet.

All right, where are the questions?

Where are they?

Where there?

Where?

Oh, these are the ones.

Okay.

If a Republican is elected and rips up the Iran nuclear deal, what kind of ramifications will it be for the rest of the world?

Good question.

Bad, I would say.

I would rephrase that and say if Iran has a nuclear weapon, what are the ramifications for the rest of the world?

And I think what we have done is just allowed them clearly a legal path to a nuclear weapon.

It's not a question of if, it's a question of when.

And by the way, what happens to the world when they have $150 billion that we know a significant part will be used to support terrorist groups around the world?

That is not a good question.

Governor, you said it's a question of when.

We know without the deal, the when could be months.

It's already illegal.

With the deal, it's at least 10 years away.

How is that not better?

Bill, it's already illegal for Iran to have any type of nuclear program.

What we're saying now is we're going to legalize it and pretend that the fact they ignored it the first time doesn't mean they'll ignore it the second time.

And in the meantime, they get $150 billion.

They get a legal

intercontinental ballistic missile program.

You do know that even if

we don't do the deal, the sanctions go away, because none of the other countries are going to do them.

No, they don't.

So

we either get the deal or we get nothing.

No, that's not true.

The sanctions

are not in place.

They were passed by resolutions of the security countries.

They have to be repealed.

But the other countries who are part of the sanctions, you know what Marco Rubio said, we're not a planet.

We're just one country.

All those countries that are part of the sanctions, they're not going to

acknowledge them anymore.

So they're going to trade with Iran.

So either we get the deal or we get nothing.

No, I don't think that's true.

If we don't get the deal,

they don't get $150 billion that they can use to become the dominant, not just economic, but military power in the Middle East when we know they're going to use it for terrorist activity.

Well,

they were the number one power in the Middle East when Nixon was president, and we loved it.

They weren't a terrorist state.

They weren't the number one state sponsor of terrorism.

Because whenever we get rid of a dictator, something worse comes along.

That happens.

Look, that happens.

It has happened.

And we had a pretty.

Because they're full of moderates.

Okay, we had a situation before W came in where we had a number of states that were buffers against Iran.

We had a pretty good balance between the Sunnis and the Shias over there.

It's actually balanced.

You had Jordan on our side, Egypt on our side, the Saudis on our side.

You had a Sunni government in Baghdad.

Okay, what do we knocked them off, gave it to Iran?

Now we got Shia governments right across the Middle East who all hate us.

And so we did that because of a war we started.

We started that war.

I just want to understand how can you guys keep doing it wrong and keep being so confident of anything.

What did you think of Ronald Reagan and Reykjavik in 1987?

I thought he made the right decision.

When he offered Gorbachev to go down to zero, zero, get rid of an entire nuclear arsenal.

And how would that go over today with the Republicans?

I think it's very different today.

I think it's very different because we are

where you have China, you have North Korea.

North Korea, even if they signed some sort of accord, would never do it.

We know they have

China's estimates

at least 20 nuclear weapons.

We know other countries.

Ronald Reagan offered to get rid of our entire nuclear arsenal.

What if Obama offered that?

How would that go over?

I don't think it would go over.

How would that go over?

I think it would go over the way it should go over, which is not very well.

So Obama.

Not when you have a lot of people who are in the world.

So Reagan was wrong about weapons.

No, that was a different world.

And you have to look forward.

Oh, really?

It was a different world.

Reagan was.

It was.

You didn't have a nuclear North Korea.

You didn't have what will be a nuclear Iran.

You didn't have a nuclear China at that point.

Sure, you did.

China got nuclear weapons in 1964.

Well.

All right.

Well, they were as much of a challenge to America as they could be.

Oh, come on.

You just love Reagan and hate Obama.

I mean, it's like, it's never.

It's not a question of personality.

It's a question of policy.

Okay.

America was more respected.

It was stronger.

People had greater confidence in our future when Reagan was president than they do today.

And by the way, you look at the world today.

There are over 40 million refugees, the largest since the end of World War II.

That is a tragedy.

And most of the largest...

Totally because of Obama.

No, the largest numbers.

The largest...

Bill, Bill, Bill, the largest numbers come from two countries, Syria and Libya.

Syria is where this president addressed the American people and said, I'm drawing a red line.

Syria is destabilized because of George Bush's stupid war in Iraq and global warming.

Syria was destabilized.

Syria was destabilized before ISIS existed.

And the second is Libya.

And somehow I guess George Bush is responsible for Libya, too.

In fact, it was the

Clinton-Obama policies working with the Italians and the French got rid of Gaddafi leading from behind.

And one, we created this void instead of helping forces that would have been pro-human rights.

So it it was good when Bush got rid of Saddam Hussein, but bad when Obama got rid of Qaddafi.

No, not at all.

All right.

How can European countries assimilate the migrants into their pluralistic societies?

Carefully.

It's going to be, it's almost impossible for them just to find a solution.

They've decided to divide all the immigrants coming in.

but

many countries are rejecting them.

And also, I mean, let's be honest.

I mean, Mexican immigrants who come here basically share our value system.

That is not true necessarily with the immigrants who are coming into Europe.

I mean, I don't know of any Mexicans who want a theocracy, but there are many Muslims who come from theocratic societies.

I mean,

it's harder to assimilate them.

You know, who wants to hire someone at supercuts or wearing a burqa?

Now,

the crisis...

No one wants their hair cut by an invisible lady.

I think I know that.

The crisis might end now with winter.

With the winter, then the number of immigrants is going to diminish and then the problem right now that they're facing in Europe is going to diminish.

Okay.

Let's see.

Chris Matthews, does Trump's candidacy make us look foolish in the eyes of the world?

There's a nice softball for you.

How about a one-word answer?

Chris, did you ever give one?

I just wanted to make history there.

Can I use up my time?

Yes, use up your time.

You know, when we talk about the country being worse off, you know, there's been a lot of progress in this country in the last 10 or so years.

You know, we have same-sex marriage.

Now, we watched the Republican debate the other night.

Nobody fought about that.

Maybe there was Huckabee, you know, he did his Marjo imputation.

Right.

But that went over.

Nobody wanted to fight about it.

Republicans don't.

So we go through better.

Everybody loves to talk about the greatest generation of all.

You know, those guys wouldn't have done this stuff.

They wouldn't have said it's okay to be gay.

They wouldn't have said same-sex marriage was all right.

The country is much better in ethnicity.

Every one of our kids is more liberal in ethnicity than we are.

They just are.

They don't think about it.

It never occurs to them.

So it's just a better country.

I don't know why we keep whipping ourselves and say we're not as great as we were.

The greatest generation was wrong on so many things.

The services were not integrated, right?

The gays were beaten up in the barracks.

I'm sorry.

The country is better now morally in many ways than it was at the Reagan.

True.

Okay.

Does the election of Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, well, he wasn't elected, he's head of the Labour Party, okay,

in the U.K.

signal a global swing toward populism?

I don't know what that means.

But I could ask another Jeremy Corbyn question.

He is advocating that the UK apologize for the Iraq war, for their participation in the Iraq war.

Should America?

It was clearly a mistake.

I mean, in 2003, we made...

Even the Republican candidates.

We made a huge mistake.

And as journalists, I think it was also part of our responsibility.

We were silenced.

And we didn't challenge...

That's not true.

Yeah, we didn't challenge Joseph Rush.

Keep that we to yourself.

No, no, no.

No, keep that we to yourself.

We oppose the war.

I think

the we doesn't work here.

No.

We weren't for the war.

The fact is that as journalists, we didn't challenge Joseph Rebush as we should have.

No.

Otherwise.

I opposed the war in every column I wrote and

television.

And Michael Moore got up at the Oscars.

I'm sure you did.

Don't be of senior against the war.

What I'm saying is that as Joe.

Well, you really don't like this guy.

No, I just wasn't against me.

No,

I didn't think you're not at the journalist.

We should have done much better.

Challenge

Bush.

But we did challenge him.

But he hasn't.

Obviously, we didn't challenge him enough because other Oscars

started the war.

Yeah, but why are we all lumped together?

You know, some journalists didn't.

Chris and I spoke out against the war.

Michael Moore, like I was about to say, stood up at the Oscars and they all booed him, but he had the guts to say we shouldn't do this and it's immoral and not right.

And there were lots of people.

There were demonstrations all around the world.

Lots of people were against this war,

including some people in the Congress, not Hillary Clinton, not 28 Democrats, but lots of people.

So, yeah, I mean, okay, let's not lump.

No lumping.

Okay.

Barack Obama, Howard Dean, they all opposed the war.

So, good people.

Okay.

Last question,

and then I want to do my Ed Sullivan impression.

No, I do, because Ed Sullivan used to introduce people in the audience.

Remember that?

Remember when he used to do that?

Arnold Palmer is in the audience today.

Hey.

Ladies and gentlemen, in our audience tonight, one of the greatest comedians of all time, Mr.

Martin Short.

Ladies and gentlemen, Martin Short is in our audience.

Where is Mr.

Martin Short?

Martin Short.

All right.

Martin Short, one of the greatest comedians.

And James Brown and his soul crap will be next.

That's Gabe Copeland's.

But all right, last question.

Can the U.S.

still excuse that China and other countries are not doing their part on climate change?

No.

I mean, yes, the climate is rotten and giant.

But, you know, they're trying.

Yes, they have problems.

We don't, and we wish they would do it faster, but I'm sure they wish we would do it faster.

But this idea that I heard at the Republican debate that, you know what, other countries do bad stuff, so we shouldn't even try.

That's a crazy thing.

I thought America was the leader.

I thought we weren't supposed to lead from behind.

Changing technology.

Yeah, and technology, it's going to change, right?

It's already changed.

It's changing continuously.

And so what we see today is not what we're going to see in 10 years or 20 years.

And to think that we shouldn't lead is ridiculous.

This is the...

Let me say, as a Republican, I actually think climate change exists.

And I know that may be a little silly.

Maybe a little stunning.

And you're not alone.

It does Henry Paulson, does Watson.

And I honestly think, though, America's not the problem.

America's the solution.

We produce now 16% of the greenhouse gases.

What Mark is saying is absolutely right.

What we have to do is develop technologies that allow us to decarbonize and at the same time grow our economy and create jobs.

If we simply impose costs on America, we don't help the global system.

But all the Republicans at the debate talk like the jobs are in coal, whereas solar now provides, I think, 10 times as many jobs as coal.

The jobs in America are always in the next industry.

That's exactly right, because we're going to be creating new jobs that more than replace the jobs that are lost.

What did you make your billions in?

Typewriters, Marr?

Streaming, streaming, right?

Right here.

What we're doing on YouTube.

Didn't you hear what Henry Ford said?

If I'd asked people what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse.

Right.

Perfect way to end it.

Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen.

Thank you.

Thank you.

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