Ep. #712: Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Michael Moynihan, Dan Farah

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Speaker 3 Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Late Night Series, Real Time with Bill Ma. Start the clock.

Speaker 3 Thank you, people.

Speaker 3 How are you doing down there?

Speaker 3 Happy Halloween.

Speaker 3 Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Please.

Speaker 3 I know, exciting holidays. Halloween.

Speaker 2 Look at this. We have spared all expense.

Speaker 2 Apparently. Look at that.
If they knew what the budget was here, I'd tell you.

Speaker 2 But now, this is very exciting. It's about once every seven years, Halloween falls on the day we actually do the show.
I always take it as a good omen.

Speaker 2 It's going to be a great Halloween, but I'll just put it out there. Wrong year to go as a mariachi band.

Speaker 2 Look.

Speaker 2 It's a fun time.

Speaker 2 Also a dangerous time, right? I mean, we're all aware of that. I mean, last year, I, oh, I had a bad time last year.
Someone laced my drugs with candy.

Speaker 2 I love the way they get into the act in Washington.

Speaker 2 You know, the White House, they had a big, he's just back from his trip, President Trump, and they had a big to-do over there, a lot of children and music and playing thriller and trick-or-treating.

Speaker 2 And lots of members of the Trump administration were there so we know one thing for sure the brain-eating zombies left hungry.

Speaker 2 Our kid, our kid.

Speaker 2 With love, always with love.

Speaker 2 Oh

Speaker 2 speaking of going hungry, the food stamp money runs out tomorrow.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this ain't funny. I mean, you know, the government has been shut down for a month, and so there's this big battle of chicken in Washington.

Speaker 2 Why is that funny? Okay, but they are playing a game of chicken with each other to see who will blink first.

Speaker 2 But this is, you know, people's cards are going to show up to Saturday, and there's going to be nothing there to buy food. This is not funny.

Speaker 2 And yet, at the same time, they did find the administration $40 billion to loan Argentina. I think I know what America first means when you're a foreign country and you need money.
Ask America first.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's,

Speaker 2 I tell you.

Speaker 2 Even the Republicans, the natives are getting a little restless.

Speaker 2 A lot of them are saying, you know, the president spends a little too much time thinking about foreign issues and not enough here at home.

Speaker 2 He just got back from a big Asian trip, now signed a lot of deals. Hopefully, this is good.

Speaker 2 He was in, I tell you, those Asians, they know how to kiss ass.

Speaker 2 He was in South Korea, and the president there gave him a golden crown.

Speaker 2 And Trump was very moved by it. He said, I know exactly where I'm going to keep it on my head.

Speaker 2 Oh, yes.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 there's some pretty good news on that in the King area.

Speaker 2 It's a big word these days, King, you know, because the third term president has talked about a third term many times. You know, he's in the past, he's, I think you could do it.

Speaker 2 This week he said, based on what I read, I guess it's not allowed, but we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 Well, first of all, I can show you where you can read about it.

Speaker 2 It's like 14 words in this thing called the Constitution.

Speaker 2 And then the president said, I can't comment on an ongoing insurrection. So,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 there's a

Speaker 2 here's a kingly move that kind of happened this week. The Justice Department suspended two federal prosecutors because they wrote a report, and in the report they referred to January 6th as a riot

Speaker 2 and a mob. And you know what? In this administration, you cannot even use those words.
No riot. Don't say riot.
Don't say mob. Please.

Speaker 2 You act like they rushed the building and smashed their way in and beat up cops and smeared shit on the walls.

Speaker 2 Oh, wait, that's exactly what they did there. That's it.
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 It was not a mob because they're patriots and it couldn't have been a riot because they were white. So that's how you

Speaker 2 did.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 also,

Speaker 2 there's a big week for the word trillions. The president.

Speaker 2 President said some of you know the shutdown of the government a month old now. And he said the Democrats, this is his view of they want trillions.

Speaker 2 He said, Democrats want to take trillions from the healthcare system and give it to others.

Speaker 2 And then he said, when he was in Asia, he said, in Japan, he said, I'm going to be bringing back trillions from Japan.

Speaker 2 Just stop saying numbers.

Speaker 2 It reminds me of the guy who thinks he can speak French but can't.

Speaker 2 Just leave the waiter alone, okay?

Speaker 2 And by the way, we wouldn't need trillions for health care for migrants if ICE would stop hitting them on the head. You know, that would.

Speaker 2 Also, a big week for the word nuclear. Wow, you know, we have something in this country called the filibuster.
Are you familiar? I'm never really got the concept.

Speaker 2 You know, it's a democracy, 100 senators, 51, that should be the rule. No.
With the filibuster, you need 60. So whoever's in the White House wants to get rid of the filibuster.

Speaker 2 When it's the Democrats, they want it. When it's the Republicans, they want it, because that's what lets the minority have this power.

Speaker 2 So Trump now, of course, to end the government, he wants to get rid of the filibuster. He also announced this week that we are going to resume nuclear testing.

Speaker 2 He knows the difference between nuclear and nuclear, doesn't he?

Speaker 2 All right, we got a great show. We have Michael Moynihan and Republican Representative Marjorie Taylor Green.

Speaker 2 But first up, he is the producer and director of the new documentary, The Age of Disclosure, releasing in select theaters and streaming worldwide on Prime Video November 21st. Take a look.

Speaker 2 There's a whole fleet of them. We've had repeated instances of something operating in the airspace over restricted nuclear facilities, and it's not ours.

Speaker 2 These are otherworldly things that are performing maneuvers that haven't been seen. You can kind of see it start to accelerate, and as it gets in front of us, it's gone.

Speaker 4 This thing was doing 32,000 miles an hour.

Speaker 2 Please welcome Dan Farah.

Speaker 2 Dan?

Speaker 2 How are you, sir? Appreciate you having me here.

Speaker 2 All right, so I saw your movie. I can't wait to talk to you about this.
Not just because it's Halloween, I know it's a spooky subject, but I've been on your page for quite a while.

Speaker 2 I think, you know, I'm old enough to remember when we talked about UFOs, or what do we call them now? UAP. UAP.
I don't know why we had to make the change.

Speaker 5 Unidentified anomalous phenomena.

Speaker 2 I thought it was aerial.

Speaker 2 No. Unidentified anomalous phenomenon.
Yeah. Whatever it is.
They're flying saucers.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 what

Speaker 2 that's there.

Speaker 2 And you know, things have changed a lot. I mean, again, I'm old enough to remember when it was like it was just the kooks who thought about this.

Speaker 2 And I just want to say, I think if you don't think this is happening now, I'm not sure who the kook is, but I don't think it's me. I really don't.

Speaker 2 It used to be crazy people or people out in the middle of nowhere who got anally probed and all that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 And now it's, and now it's, I mean, it's not not just the military people and the Defense Department people, but everybody.

Speaker 2 You did a great service with this woman because you put it all together and you see all these people, not just Rubio, it's bipartisan.

Speaker 2 You see Schumer and Adam Schiff and the senators and very, very serious people, the people with the buzz cuts in the military, talking about this and saying the kind of things that

Speaker 2 just cannot be explained. So,

Speaker 2 Mike, first question to you is, could you go through the six observables? These are the things that you cannot deny that they are seeing.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 So a number of the intelligence officials I interviewed who actively investigated UAP and non-human intelligent life for the government, they came up with a set of observables, they called them.

Speaker 5 These are basically flight characteristics that we observe UAP doing. And it's things we can't do.
So like instantaneous acceleration. Instantaneous acceleration.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 So like stopping on a dime and then taking off.

Speaker 2 Right. One of the guys in the movie says they hover around for a few hours and then it's just gone.

Speaker 5 Yeah, just absolute instant going from like zero to thousands of miles an hour.

Speaker 5 Anti-gravity

Speaker 5 displaying characteristics that seem as if they are not impacted by gravity.

Speaker 5 Transmedium travel going from one medium to another, going from like space.

Speaker 5 to the air to the ocean seamlessly.

Speaker 2 And traveling in the ocean at speeds we could never travel in the ocean that needs to be affected by friction of any kind.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah. And then hypersonic velocity.

Speaker 5 The long and short of it is these things are doing things that we can't do. Our most advanced aircraft can't operate this way.
And they're doing it with impunity in our most sensitive airspace.

Speaker 5 So our training ranges, our military bases where we have our our defense capabilities, like Vanderburgh Air Force Base up the coast here in California, where we have our heart of our defense capabilities, UAP activity there regularly, our nuclear weapons bases,

Speaker 5 it's a serious issue.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean it could be the most serious issue. I mean I feel like they remind me of the aliens a little bit, the guy in the, you know, the tough guy movie, he always says,

Speaker 2 if I wanted you to be dead, you'd be dead by now.

Speaker 2 I feel like people who have this capability, if they wanted us dead, we would be dead by now.

Speaker 5 Well, one of the points raised in our film is,

Speaker 5 what if that's been the case for a long time, but circumstances have changed? You know, we've evolved technologically very quickly over the last 80 years.

Speaker 2 Right. But our morals have not really evolved.

Speaker 5 We're still a violent species. We're still threatening war.

Speaker 2 We're, you know,

Speaker 5 hating sovereign neighbors.

Speaker 2 You bring up the point, and I think it's a great one, that I don't think it's a coincidence that we started finding stuff in 1947, right after the dawn of the nuclear age.

Speaker 2 That's when you have Roswell. They have found crashes.
You have people who say

Speaker 5 people that say Roswell happened and it was real.

Speaker 2 You say you have people who say, I saw with my own eyes an alien body

Speaker 2 or a spaceship that crashed. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 I think the connection between nuclear weapons and UAP is fascinating. It's one of the most interesting things I learned about making this movie.

Speaker 5 In line with our harnessing of nuclear energy and our technological progress, UAP activity has increased. And so, you know, it's safe to assume they're concerned with our progress technologically.

Speaker 2 I mean, again, I'm just going by what I'm reading, not just and seeing in your movie, but reading for years now, certainly the last five to ten years. It just seems that there is a progression.

Speaker 2 At the beginning, they seemed to be interested. They were more land-based.

Speaker 2 The things we found, there was that book, Communion.

Speaker 2 Somebody wrote about a number of people, hundreds of people, who had a very similar experience it could be a different psychological phenomenon but they all seem to be boarded on a spaceship they have a vague memory of being probed in the ass they

Speaker 2 well that's just how they would look they look like they were studying us like okay let's find out what these people are about and then they seem to have ghosted us

Speaker 2 they don't they're not probing us anymore You never hear about that. I feel like they, okay, we know who the, we know who we're dealing with.
I think

Speaker 5 there's been like a turning point in that I think government officials have started to acknowledge that this is a real situation. Yeah.
And it's not a laughing matter. It's serious.
And

Speaker 5 it's an issue that should become a serious national conversation.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, I think it is now. And as you say,

Speaker 2 when our technology changes, it very

Speaker 2 well may change their attitude toward us. It seems like, no, they could have been here forever.

Speaker 2 You seem to think that their bases are under the ocean, which is the best place you would hide. We don't know much about the bottom of the ocean.

Speaker 5 Eighty percent of the ocean hasn't been explored. Right.

Speaker 2 And they seem to be interested, very interested when we started to have nuclear technology. Now we have AI.

Speaker 2 Is it possible that we do get to this level where we're getting

Speaker 2 threatening to them with our intelligence, and that is when it's going to get they're going to send Keanu Reeves to say

Speaker 2 right

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 it

Speaker 2 says

Speaker 5 seem like

Speaker 5 we're moving towards a crossroad. Like we've we're evolving technologically to the point where we're on, you know, we're close to doing what they do,

Speaker 5 yet, again, our morals have not evolved. So we could be viewed as a potential threat.

Speaker 2 Plainly we're not close to what they're doing. Maybe we will with AI, but all the stuff you're describing, the reason why it's so alarming is that we're not close.

Speaker 2 We don't even know what the fuck they're, how they pull it off. I mean, how you do this stuff.
So maybe we have a few years.

Speaker 2 I felt this was a very positive, even though some people would read it differently. They seem to have the technology, I learned from your movie, to turn off or on our nuclear weapons.

Speaker 2 There was an instance, was there not one?

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah, there's been a few events where UAP activity over nuclear weapon sites has activated the missiles in some cases and then turned them off in some cases.

Speaker 5 And it's obviously a display of power of some sort.

Speaker 5 Your guess is as good as mine of what the intention is, but it's concerning.

Speaker 2 Well, it's concerning also if they are going to be able to turn off our nuclear missiles. I say they can't get here soon enough.

Speaker 2 That to me looks like they're saving us from ourselves.

Speaker 2 Possibly. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 It could be. You know, there's been different opinions voiced in my film, right? Some people say it's the equivalent of adults taking matchsticks out of the hands of children, right?

Speaker 5 That's one way to look at it. Another way is they're concerned about our progress nuclearly and they're trying to deter us from moving forward.

Speaker 2 So let me just be the devil's advocate here because I'm sure there are people saying, you know, well, what about the other side?

Speaker 2 The people who have skepticism and their arguments that they level against you. It could be, I don't know, it could be another power like China or Russia that has this technology that we don't have.

Speaker 2 I don't think that's really terrifying.

Speaker 5 I think it's even more terrifying because

Speaker 5 we know the intentions of our adversaries and they're not good. So if it turns out China leapfrogged us technologically

Speaker 2 by a lot, they didn't.

Speaker 5 They didn't, right?

Speaker 5 But the person who can't wrap their head around the idea that it's non-human intelligence.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, here's another one I had.

Speaker 2 One of the people who's very prominent, who was early on interested in this subject and looking into it, was Harry Reid, used to be the Democratic senator from Utah, and he's a Mormon.

Speaker 2 And the Mormons believe in planet Kolob.

Speaker 2 You know this, right? You don't know that. You don't know about the Mormons? I don't.
Let me tell you. All right.

Speaker 2 If you think the Scientologists are weird.

Speaker 2 Yes, they believe God is a 6'2 man, 6'2. They know his exact height.

Speaker 2 And he lives on the planet Kolob. Where's Kolob?

Speaker 2 Well, if you hit orc, you've gone too far.

Speaker 2 That's all I can tell you. But

Speaker 2 no.

Speaker 2 This theory is that Harry Reid wants to

Speaker 2 legitimize alien invasion because it makes his religion make more sense.

Speaker 5 I don't think so.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't have to answer it.

Speaker 2 But here's my question.

Speaker 2 Is this something that has been hidden from presidents themselves? Because, you know, it's been 80 years. I mean, somehow a lot of this stuff has been kept under wraps.

Speaker 2 Wouldn't Trump have blabbed about it?

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 5 one of the shocking interviews in my film is Secretary Rubio going on the record saying that this has been so deeply hidden that even presidents are not told all the facts around this topic.

Speaker 5 They're sort of given a little bit of information and they're told the direction this is going to go, but they're kept out of it.

Speaker 5 And that was pretty shocking to hear someone at Rubio's level making that clear.

Speaker 2 And there's also the theory I saw in your movie that possibly when these crashes take place, they're doing it on purpose so that we'll be able to absorb their technology, that we have found their spacecraft, possibly, and we would reverse-engineer it so we could learn.

Speaker 2 Can you think of anything we actually may have learned from an alien crash?

Speaker 5 Like, there's a lot of speculation on what sort of technology that we've benefited from has come out of these situations. Tang.

Speaker 2 Tang.

Speaker 5 But one of the really serious reveals in the film is that intelligence officials in our government and elected officials in our government have uncovered the fact that there is a deeply hidden UAP crash retrieval program and they've been reverse engineering UAP.

Speaker 5 And there is, in fact, a program at Adversarial Nations as well. And so there's this essentially high-stakes secret Cold War race playing out right now to reverse engineer this technology.

Speaker 5 Some of the interview subjects in my film refer to it as the Manhattan Project on Steroids because the stakes are so high. But the public has no idea.

Speaker 5 So, you know, one of the things I hope comes out of this film is the public becoming aware of this situation, because these circumstances impact us all.

Speaker 5 But we all, for the most part, think it's not a serious issue. We think it's a joke, laugh at it.

Speaker 2 I don't think it's a joke. I just don't, it does not seem to me like they have evil intent, at least not for now.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 given the state of humanity, I don't know if anybody could really do worse. I mean, would you, would you, would you,

Speaker 5 you know, would you, would you, if you were an advanced non-human intelligent species, would you want us showing up on your front lawn?

Speaker 2 Let's just leave that for next time.

Speaker 2 I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 Great work. I appreciate your efforts.
All right, let's meet our panel.

Speaker 2 Hey,

Speaker 2 welcome aboard. How you doing?

Speaker 2 All right, he co-hosts the fifth column podcast and is the host of the Mohane Report interview series. Michael Moynihan's back with us.
Michael, great to see you.

Speaker 2 And she's a Republican congresswoman who represents Georgia's 4th Heath. Marjorie Taylor Greene is on our show.

Speaker 2 Wow, you're a great big cheering section. Say it's not so bad here in California.

Speaker 2 I have one follow-up question to that because this really could be, when we look back, the most important issue that we discussed.

Speaker 2 Everything else might seem trivial if the aliens are here and so forth. If there was an alien vision, they used to always say, if there was, it would unite us.

Speaker 2 No, I don't think so either.

Speaker 2 I think Democrats and Republicans would both try to recruit it to kill the other one.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the ICE would go after it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know, it depends.

Speaker 4 I don't know, Bill. We can't even fund the government, so I'm not sure that we can do anything about UAPs.

Speaker 2 But we can do something about, I mean, I've heard you say before, and then you reiterated recently that you think there's something in a national divorce.

Speaker 2 You said you want a peaceful national divorce.

Speaker 2 I hope you were just having a bad day when you said that. Well, really, I mean that.

Speaker 2 Because we, how can you?

Speaker 4 If you had all the death threats I have,

Speaker 4 you can understand why I feel that way sometimes. Oh, you do.

Speaker 2 Maybe we want a divorce. Yeah, and I get them from both sides.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, and me too, lately.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, lately, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 No, I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 But you know that's impossible, right? I mean, you're from Georgia. Atlanta's in Georgia.

Speaker 2 How could that work if Atlanta, a very blue city, is in the middle of a red state?

Speaker 2 How could that work as a national divorce?

Speaker 4 Well, I'm one of those people that believe our federal government has grown so big and out of control with $38 trillion in debt.

Speaker 4 And, you know, really, over the decades, it's been both sides of the aisle that have failed the American people so much that it'd be great to reduce the size and power of the federal government and give more power back to the states.

Speaker 2 Well, that's traditional Republican thinking.

Speaker 2 That's normal.

Speaker 2 Great, yeah. Yeah, I'm all for that.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, national divorce doesn't, I don't know what's meant by that. I mean, meaning that we cleave ourselves off into two kind of separate countries of liberals and conservatives.

Speaker 6 I don't even know these days what it is to be a conservative. I don't know what a conservative is compared to what a conservative was 10 years ago.

Speaker 6 And I mean, I saw you praised by Bernie Sanders the other day on a CNN town hall. So, I mean, none of the categories make sense.

Speaker 6 So I don't even know what that would look like as far as like left and right in a national divorce.

Speaker 2 But we have to talk to each other, right? I mean, I heard you say recently also that you said we can't even talk to the left. You're talking to me right now.

Speaker 4 Well, that's why I'm here.

Speaker 2 That's all. All right.
That's why I'm here. And in all fairness,

Speaker 4 in all fairness, this is that this is the first time I've been invited to your show, so, and I showed up.

Speaker 2 I don't know about that.

Speaker 4 I'm positive.

Speaker 2 Well maybe the people didn't tell you. Well maybe not.

Speaker 2 Sometimes the message doesn't get.

Speaker 2 I think we have invited you.

Speaker 4 Well this is the first time I've met.

Speaker 2 But I'm glad I mean that we have to do that you know I mean because I get that shit too because I had dinner with Trump like that like

Speaker 4 they gave you a hard time about that. They still do.

Speaker 2 Oh I'm sorry. And it's just the stupidest position in the world.
It's just as if you can go full high school and say well we're not going to invite him to the lunch table.

Speaker 4 That's true. That's true.

Speaker 2 More people like me should talk to him. I agree.
You know. I agree.
I mean, you talk to him, right? He's mad at you now. He's mad at both of us.
I know he's mad at me, but we still.

Speaker 4 Actually, I've got a great relationship with the president. I've always supported him and gave him my support for free.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but you are finally the one Republican who's dissenting. I was going to do a whole piece on you, and then we find you booked on the show, so I'll just say it to you.

Speaker 2 Like, for all those people on the left who have been saying, where is the Republican who will stand up on issues against Trump? I mean, they're just such ass kissers. They just fall in line.

Speaker 2 Well, right here. I mean, you've got, you've, you've dissented on the Epstein files.
You've dissented on a number of issues.

Speaker 2 Health care.

Speaker 2 Where's my list? Okay. ICE.

Speaker 2 The government shutdown. He's spending too much time overseas and not enough here.
And, you know, the Obamacare one. Let's let's talk about that one.

Speaker 2 I mean, I would love to know what the Republicans really want to do about health care, which is the premiums are going to go up tomorrow.

Speaker 4 Me too. I'm waiting for the plan.
I haven't seen it yet. That's been a lot of my angst.
So a lot of the things I say are against my own party, but they're mainly my frustrations in Congress.

Speaker 4 I believe that Congress should be solving a lot of these problems. However, Congress is not solving these problems.
And I have Republican leadership.

Speaker 4 You know, looking at Obamacare, it was passed in 2010,

Speaker 4 it went into place in 2014, and premiums have skyrocketed ever since. It was good for some that couldn't afford

Speaker 4 health insurance or couldn't get health insurance, but for the middle class, small business owners, people that had to buy their own insurance, it has crushed them. And so I've been demanding.

Speaker 2 Obamacare has crushed them. Obamacare is what's hurting.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 I'll tell you, for example, when Obamacare went into place, it took my own family of five health insurance policy from $800 a month to over $2,400 a month, more than our mortgage payment.

Speaker 4 And that's what so many people have experienced over all these years. But here's the big problem, is it's about to skyrocket in January of 2025.
Here's why I'm angry.

Speaker 4 The Democrats passed Obamacare, but yet the Republicans have never done anything to correct the problems that exist with it. And I blame my own party.
That's absolutely wrong.

Speaker 4 And I don't think it's an easy thing to fix. However, it's something that we should have a plan for.
And Mike Johnson, for a month now, cannot give me a single policy idea. And I'm angry about that.

Speaker 2 Is this your understanding of Obamacare that it raises?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 I don't, I mean,

Speaker 6 I have to first start by saying I didn't suspect that I would come on and say I agree with Congressman Marjorie Taylor Green.

Speaker 2 But I do on that. I do on this issue.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 6 I mean, the first thing is the prices are out of control. We're talking about these subsidies that were COVID-era subsidies.
They were renewed and the entire shutdown is based on these subsidies.

Speaker 2 That is what the shutdown is.

Speaker 6 That's what it's based on.

Speaker 2 For people who don't know, let me just say.

Speaker 2 During COVID, they up the subsidies. Yeah.
And then it is a bit of a bait and switch. I'll give you, that's true on that one.

Speaker 2 You can't say, it's not quite kosher to say, we're just doing this for the COVID emergency, and then when the emergency is over, say, oh, no.

Speaker 6 It's forever. They are temporary subsidies.

Speaker 2 At least be honest about it. Let's be honest about it.

Speaker 6 But the thing about it is that these subsidies, they don't do anything to lower costs. I mean, the only thing they do is mass costs, right? It's the government is paying these enormous.
I mean, my

Speaker 6 insurance, I looked at the other day of how much I pay is completely outrageous. I'm paying a couple thousand dollars a month myself, and my employer pays some too for two people.

Speaker 2 This is Obamacare.

Speaker 6 No, no, this is on the private market, because it happens either way. But the crazy thing about what happens in Obama.

Speaker 2 I don't think it quite happens either way.

Speaker 6 Well, the insurance premiums are going up like enormously. Regardless.

Speaker 2 Regardless. Of course.

Speaker 2 Everything's always going up in the health market because people are not healthy.

Speaker 2 There is a way to lower costs, which would be to ask people to participate in their own health. But we don't do that in our sector.

Speaker 2 I agree with you.

Speaker 4 However, here's something that would be really great is we need price transparency. Think about it.

Speaker 4 Someone goes to the hospital with a crisis, and then they come out of the hospital, and for months on end, here come the bills, and the bills keep coming.

Speaker 4 And you're never told on the front end how much this is going to cost and that's unacceptable I'm gonna agree with her again it's incredible

Speaker 6 from hospitals one is a hundred dollars and one is six thousand dollars look it up there are six thousand dollar COVID test the Trump administration and the first administration actually had a policy that passed for price transparency for hospitals and doctors but it's so convoluted and complex that it's not as if you get a menu and you go in.

Speaker 6 Price transparency would be one thing, it's a lot of things, but it'd be one thing to help lower costs.

Speaker 2 Okay, but just in general, and I'm not an expert on this, but I do know this. A lot of people had no health insurance, and then they got something that was relatively affordable called Obamacare.

Speaker 2 And the Republicans never stopped trying to kill it. And they kept kicking out different legs of this apparatus until, and yet it's still popular and still works.

Speaker 2 And they have this mythical idea that there's some better, I mean, what was John Thune's?

Speaker 2 He said the president would like to overhaul Obamacare and give people health insurance that is higher quality and more affordable. Yeah, and I'd like to be able to dunk.

Speaker 2 But there's, there's not, look,

Speaker 2 it's not a mystery.

Speaker 2 You keep acting like there's this way we're going to get to this better version. There's no, Mitt Romney found this out.
The Clintons found this out. Obama found this out.

Speaker 2 There's only a certain way you can do this, that you can give people health care. And it's the insurance game.
And you act like it's Bigfoot. We're going to find it.
You're not going to find it.

Speaker 2 This is it.

Speaker 4 I disagree. I tell you, listen, when you make the American taxpayer foot the bill, for so many other people, it's completely wrong.
And that's what's been happening for years now.

Speaker 4 American taxpayers were even having to pay for illegal aliens health insurance. That's completely wrong.

Speaker 4 And I do believe, and I believe this because I come from the the private sector if if people in the private sector private sector can do things and be successful then the government can do things and be successful too but the problem is is it's always a fight in Washington DC between the two parties and they sit in their camps and they never come together to come up with real solutions and when you have the lobbyists in Washington DC and I see them non-stop and you have them coming in and they're trying to tell lawmakers, here's how we need to write the bills, that's the absolute failure.

Speaker 4 And I truly believe that we need to do a better job. And I wish that Mike Johnson would call us back into session so we could actually do our job.

Speaker 2 Okay, well,

Speaker 2 first we have to have Halloween.

Speaker 2 It is Halloween. You can see we spent all the money here for the punk business.

Speaker 2 And I found out that there's a new wrinkle in Halloween this year. You know, I've gone to haunted houses in the past, but they're always a commercial endeavor.
Now people are doing it privately.

Speaker 2 I see all these people who I've seen it in my own neighborhood. They have their own personal haunted house in their house.

Speaker 2 I guess it was inevitable in a narcissistic society that you'd have to have your own haunted house so you feature the thing that scares you because it's all about you.

Speaker 2 So this is going on all over the country. This is a new phenomenon.
Even celebrities are doing it. Would you like to see some of those?

Speaker 2 I knew you would.

Speaker 2 Oh, I knew you would like to see it. Look at some of the celebrity haunting your house.
For example, Britney Spears has the Britney Spears House House of Knives. It's very.

Speaker 2 Oh, oh, look at those.

Speaker 2 There's JLo's vault of ex-husbands and fiancés.

Speaker 2 That's a lot of.

Speaker 2 Oh, you'll like this one. Gavin Newsom's Haunted House of Hat Hair.

Speaker 2 Nick Cannon's Corridor of Condom.

Speaker 2 Kendall Jenner's Hall of Now Mirror

Speaker 2 Kanye West's Chamber of Jews.

Speaker 2 Greta Thunberg's Panic Room of plastic straws.

Speaker 2 And of course, right here in California, we have Katie Porter's cave of staffers who are in her fucking shop.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 I'm glad we're having a good time because tomorrow a lot of people are not. 42 million people are going to lose their food stamps.

Speaker 2 Their EBD card, which is what they use for it, is going to show zero on it.

Speaker 2 And what I've been reading is that most of these people, they kind of coast on the last two weeks. It really doesn't cover the whole month.

Speaker 2 So the last two weeks are kind of rough anyway until you get that new, and it's not going to be on the card. What is your opinion on this as a member of Congress?

Speaker 4 My opinion is I believe we should fund the government. I voted on September 18th to fund it.

Speaker 2 Couldn't we do this without funding the government? Isn't Isn't there an emergency fund that they just won't let

Speaker 2 be used?

Speaker 4 Well, there was a judge that ruled today that that money should be used. My understanding is that's $5 billion, but it's not quite enough to fund for a full month, which is $8 to $9 billion.

Speaker 4 The best solution, let me tell you, Bill, the best solution is for the Democrats and the Republicans and the Senate to stop playing games.

Speaker 4 The Democrats can vote and they can fund the government just like that, but the Republicans and the Senate, they can use the nuclear option, override the filibuster, and they can fund the government.

Speaker 4 Here's my problem is the American people are being used like a piñata in this situation, and I think it's completely wrong.

Speaker 4 I think that they should

Speaker 2 do it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, there were two judges that ruled today that the administration had said that those emergency funds were not available to them, and they said, yes, yes, they can be available to you, make them available.

Speaker 6 But as the Congresswoman said, it's not the full amount. It's only going to be a certain amount of time.
So there's a bit of time being bought here.

Speaker 6 But the political game of chicken is kind of infuriating. And you look at the latest poll, 15% of people approve of Congress.
And this is what? 15%?

Speaker 6 And this is sort of stuff why? Because you have people debating these things and what they're doing. And I saw this, someone saying this today, Debbie Wasserman and Schultz.

Speaker 6 You know, they're getting poll numbers on this. How is it polling? Are we looking good in this? The Republicans are looking bad at this.
We're looking good.

Speaker 6 They're playing chicken with 42 million people who didn't.

Speaker 6 We can talk about whether the astonishing figure that 42 million people in a country that has 4.5% unemployment is an incredibly wealthy country. That's an enormous number of people.

Speaker 6 But as a separate issue, if you separate that and say,

Speaker 6 Are we using these people as political pawns? And someone's going to have to say, okay, let's go. You can blame it on Democrats and Republicans.
I blame them both, not in equal measure.

Speaker 6 But the fact that this is what we're debating about, it is just those extensions of the Obamacare subsidies, and that is what we're playing chicken with.

Speaker 6 And there's something really disgusting about it. And people in Congress at 15% seems too high to be at this point.

Speaker 2 It looks bad at this moment that he's giving $40 billion to Argentina. Does it not?

Speaker 2 It should always look bad. Yeah, right.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I disagree with that.
I don't.

Speaker 2 Really?

Speaker 4 I do. Look, I'm so far America first, I'm America only right now.

Speaker 4 I want good trade with other foreign countries, but I don't want to be involved in their foreign wars or their bailouts or their foreign causes or their foreign aid.

Speaker 4 I think the American people deserve all the attention from the government that they find that they've got all of them.

Speaker 2 But they are connected.

Speaker 2 I mean, when

Speaker 2 the president goes overseas and makes trade deals, that's connected to the domestic situation here in America. I'll tell you why,

Speaker 2 you know, he's not the first president to prefer foreign affairs. It's fun.

Speaker 2 That's fun. This shit in America, not fun.

Speaker 2 Congress shut down, but when you go over there and you're getting gold crowns and talking to the other leaders and you can just make deals and stuff, you know. But

Speaker 2 my question about the president to you is this.

Speaker 2 He commands a kind of loyalty I've rarely seen in American politics.

Speaker 2 But it's bending. I mean, when I look at some of the statistics, Obamacare premiums, they're going to go up.
Obviously, the food stamp issue, we were just talking about, new car prices going way up.

Speaker 2 Beef prices are up 15%. I mean, he ran on, I'll get rid of inflation right away.

Speaker 2 Turkey, Thanksgiving's coming. It could be 40% more.
I was reading about Iowa. The cost of tractors and fertilizers is up.
Labor is scarcer because of the immigration. policies.

Speaker 2 He's got a beef with wind,

Speaker 2 which affects a lot lot of the people in red states. My question is, how much can his loyalty can he bend it before he breaks it?

Speaker 4 Well, I represent a district that everything you just talked about has affected them very deeply. People are barely getting by month to month.

Speaker 4 They're maxing out their credit cards just to pay their rent, and it's extremely sad.

Speaker 4 I tell you what, I'm a big fan of President Trump. I really am.
I make no apologies for it. Here's the issue.
Under the Biden administration in 2022, we saw inflation go to 9%.

Speaker 4 And we haven't seen any of these prices really come back down, although inflation is holding right now at 2.5%. So I do give the president a lot of credit for that.

Speaker 2 Some of that was COVID, was it not?

Speaker 4 Well, it was all the spending that Congress pumped into the economy, COVID bailouts.

Speaker 4 100,000 small businesses were shuttered. I mean, I'm very much against the shutdowns.
I was against them them even when the president said two weeks to slow the spread.

Speaker 2 I'm with you on that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, bad stuff.

Speaker 2 However, I'm not a fan of COVID policy.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 4 So I tell you, I can't say it loud enough. My angst is with my colleagues.

Speaker 4 And my colleagues, I believe it's Congress that has failed over and over and over again to the point where my own children's generation, my kids are in their 20s, that generation is actually looking towards the future with no hope.

Speaker 4 They don't think they'll ever be able to buy a house.

Speaker 4 They don't want to have children because they don't know how they can afford it.

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Speaker 2 Kidding.

Speaker 2 Kidding, it's Halloween. I love children on Halloween.

Speaker 2 I'm going at sexy Prince Andrew. I'm going to scare them all away.

Speaker 2 That's for sure.

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Speaker 2 Okay, but I read this week that a number of the members of the administration are now living on a military base.

Speaker 2 What? You didn't know this?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Stephen Miller just moved there.
Christy Noam lives on a military base. J.D.
Vance. Oh, no, no, Chris

Speaker 2 Rubio, Pete Hagseth. I mean,

Speaker 2 for people who love America so much, they seem to be scared of it.

Speaker 4 I'm one of those people they call a conspiracy theorist. When I hear things like that, I'm like, what do they know that I don't know?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 I don't think it's in a,

Speaker 2 I don't think it's, you know, it's in the paper, but I don't know. What do you think about this? Trump says he's going to resume nuclear testing.

Speaker 2 Bad idea would be my first reaction. Nuclear testing is very bad for the atmosphere.
John F. Kennedy dealt with this a long, long time ago and said, look, we all breathe the same air.

Speaker 2 And we do.

Speaker 2 And we don't want it full of nuclear testing. I guess sometimes they do it underground, but it's still, I don't know why we have to do it and why we have to test it.

Speaker 2 Is this something that has reached your desk in the Congress?

Speaker 4 Not yet, but I'll tell you, I would vote no to that. I'm very much against nuclear testing.

Speaker 4 I'm very much against nuclear war, and I think everyone in history knows what happened to Japan after nuclear bombs were dropped there.

Speaker 4 And I think that world peace is the most important thing that we can strive for.

Speaker 2 Well, the president says he has

Speaker 2 solved seven or eight, or I mean, the number goes up a lot, but he I will give him this credit. He is a guy who really does not like war.

Speaker 4 And thank goodness, that's one of the reasons why I've always supported him.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean now we're probably about to attack Venezuela.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I was going to say.

Speaker 6 One wrinkle in that theory. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, but not with troops. Yeah.
He's not going to get any Americans killed. I mean, if you've got a speedboat.

Speaker 6 It's not a bad idea to launch nuclear strikes, or not nuclear strike, military strikes inside Venezuela when you're blowing up boats. We don't know who's on the boats.

Speaker 6 No one's given us a name. And there's small boats that can't get to America.
The complaint is about fentanyl. The only thing that you get in Venezuela is via Colombia's cocaine.

Speaker 6 So I have no idea what the purpose of this would be because it's not been explained to the American people. That should be something that should be in the hands of Congress.
If an act of war is

Speaker 6 not declared on a country like Venezuela, it's madness to me.

Speaker 6 So if he doesn't like war, he's not doing a good job sharing it right now. Well.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 he doesn't like people getting killed in war. Certainly American people.
I guess that's due.

Speaker 2 I would doubt that he would ever put American boots on the ground there. What it's going to be, would it probably, well, hopefully not, but what it could be is the Bay of Pigs.

Speaker 2 Because it sounds like the same kind of thing. We didn't want to put our boys in harm's way in Cuba.
in the early 60s. So we said, okay, well, we'll work with people in Cuba.

Speaker 2 And that was the result of the US. We've been doing that.

Speaker 6 I mean, we learned that lesson after Iraq.

Speaker 6 We got involved with Libya and the NATO operation in Libya, in Syria, obviously, in Iraq, where there are not Americans fighting directly, in Mosul, Ukraine, of course. I mean,

Speaker 6 we're in a lot of places, and those are not boots on the ground. I mean, we kind of recalibrated how we fight wars after Iraq, but we're involved in lots of them.

Speaker 2 So he made a big deal with China. which looks like kind of what we had before all the mishagas started.

Speaker 2 I feel like his big problem with China is that he, you know, he can bully the the Arabs. I mean, he did that very well, very effectively.

Speaker 2 He could bully NATO. You know, he made them pay more.
And he was right about both those situations. There was slack in the line, and he could pull and get some more concessions.
China's not that.

Speaker 2 Okay, China, you know.

Speaker 4 It's changed a lot. I think over the years, China has become extremely powerful.

Speaker 4 And I can tell you, so in my district we have the fluorine industry in Dalton.

Speaker 4 The biggest companies in the fluorine industry are there and trade is extremely important. They need a fair

Speaker 4 playing field to be able to sell their products. It's extremely important to the construction industry, to hotels.

Speaker 4 But here's the problem is there's a lot of things that are made in China that we can't make in the United States, especially when it comes to chemicals.

Speaker 4 So tariffs are important to make sure that the trading is level and fair. I'm a big believer in reciprocity.

Speaker 4 However, let me just say this.

Speaker 4 We have to have even policies, not the up and down, because companies need time. They need to be able to plan.

Speaker 4 If the tariffs are continually going up and down based on any type of negotiations that are happening, it hurts these companies. And they're telling me this.

Speaker 4 They're coming and telling me that they can't plan over six months or a year or to two years. And that's extremely important.
So that's the feedback that I hear from many of the companies.

Speaker 2 He said about China: we are a department store and we set the price. But China's the department store.
China. And who goes to a department store anymore?

Speaker 2 All right, we've got to end it there.

Speaker 2 Time for new rules, everybody. New rules.

Speaker 2 Okay, New Role, enough with the fat animal contest. Geez.

Speaker 2 First it was that fat bear week contest in Alaska. Wisconsin has a fat bird week, and now Texas is doing fat squirrel week.

Speaker 2 Stop encouraging these poor creatures. Look at this fat fuck.

Speaker 2 This poor thing can't even see his nuts.

Speaker 2 I'm not proud of it.

Speaker 2 Neural, rules, since Disney announced this week that Fubo has successfully merged with Hulu, finally,

Speaker 2 they have to call the new company HoboGoo.

Speaker 2 HoboGoo, since I won't know what it does, why I want it, or how it got on me,

Speaker 2 HoboGoo is the right name. HoboGoo.
Like a sticky seat at the train station, it's just on there.

Speaker 2 New world, President Trump must acknowledge that if you love trolling this much,

Speaker 2 then it's always going to be open season on trolling you.

Speaker 2 The president of South Korea gave Trump a replica of a massive crown worn by rulers of the ancient Silla Kingdom and seemed to be laughing about it because everyone in his country knows the Silla Kingdom was famous for having female rulers.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 it was his way of saying, enjoy the bling, you old queen.

Speaker 2 New rule, every award-winning actress over 40 must make a TV show that starts with a teenager's bicycle abandoned in the woods.

Speaker 2 A show about a Rust Belt town that's full of secrets, some scary, some sad, but always there's been a sex murder and only a tiny woman in an oversized parka with a bad haircut, a red nose from the cold, and irregular cutaways to an AA meeting can solve it.

Speaker 2 New rules, stop saying that it's dystopian that some public toilets in China, yes, this is true, make you watch an ad in order to get the toilet paper.

Speaker 2 This is just part of the new trend of making us watch commercials while streaming.

Speaker 2 But if the ads ever become targeted ads, yes, that will be dystopian.

Speaker 2 I don't want to ever be taking a shit thinking, how does the toilet know it's me?

Speaker 2 And finally, new rules, since it's Halloween, I must tell you all a ghost story. And this one is...

Speaker 2 And this one is really scary. It's not about the kind of ghost that rattles your chains or turns your lights on and off or, you know, lends a sensual helping hand with your pottery.

Speaker 2 No, this kind of ghost sells dishwashers.

Speaker 2 Or at least it did. Yes, I'm talking about a ghost brand.
A ghost brand. That's a company or a store that, like Sears, still exists, but only as a pathetic shell of its former self.

Speaker 2 The brands that make you say, oh, they're still making that?

Speaker 2 Because they screwed themselves out of relevance and now their logos haunt us, wandering, neither alive nor dead, like Mitch McConnell.

Speaker 2 I'm talking about brands like Kodak, Polaroid, RadioShack, GE, Atari, and RCA. They still have value because name recognition is a huge asset, and so is nostalgia.

Speaker 2 You trust Hitachi to make a magic wand because mom had one.

Speaker 2 And let's leave it at that.

Speaker 2 But it's not where where you want to be as a business, barely surviving on old customer habit with just enough juice in the name to still slap it on something and sell it somewhere.

Speaker 2 That somewhere being a street vendor's table in Chengdu

Speaker 2 where you can get a Playboy keychain for a dollar.

Speaker 2 Yes, the cautionary tale of the ghost brand is an important one because it applies not only to business, but also to politics.

Speaker 2 I fear the Democratic Party is at risk of becoming a ghost brand too. Like Sears, it used to be mighty and ascendant and popular.

Speaker 2 Sears once accounted for 1% of the entire American economy and 41% of the appliance market and built the country's tallest tower.

Speaker 2 Democrats once controlled Congress and the Supreme Court, or at least competitive. But now, even at a time when President Trump is turning 250 years of democracy into jeans shorts,

Speaker 2 The Democrats have their lowest rating in 35 years, 63% unfavorable.

Speaker 2 What happened?

Speaker 2 I don't know what happened to Sears. It used to be synonymous with the American dream because it kept faith with what the customer wanted.
Did we love Sears? No, but that was besides the point.

Speaker 2 You just went. It was like an avatar movie that sold tools.

Speaker 2 It used to be where your family bought everything from school clothes to appliances to your family Christmas portrait. Now, Sears is a great place to go if you want to be alone.

Speaker 2 But you better hurry. Sears used to have 3,500 stores, and now it has five.

Speaker 2 Same thing happened to Playboy, except in silk pajamas and a captain's hat.

Speaker 2 For 66 years, Playboy magazine was also a fact of American life. Sears sold your father a mattress, and Playboy was what he hid under it.

Speaker 2 It was a surefire product, pictures of tits, and then 25 cartoons about fucking Santa Claus.

Speaker 2 Plus real journalism. You could read an interview with Carter while enjoying photos of Bush.

Speaker 2 But then it started messing around with the formula. Like the Democratic Party, Plagueway decided they didn't need straight men anymore.

Speaker 2 They put transgender women and gay men on the cover, and predictably sales, like their subscribers' penises, collapsed.

Speaker 2 The staff began using terms like intersectionality, sex positivity, and privileging, and in response, Playboy readers used terms like, no thanks, get the fuck out of here, and bye-bye.

Speaker 2 At one point, Playboy, yes, Playboy, even dropped the nudity,

Speaker 2 which is like cigar aficionado announcing, we're getting rid of the cigars.

Speaker 2 It went from entertainment for men to re-education for nobody and enlightened their way to unpopularity. Meanwhile, Kim Kardashian posed for another magazine and broke the internet with her ass.

Speaker 2 Sometimes you got to give the people what they want.

Speaker 2 But for some weird reason, it's apparently tempting for some people to not do that.

Speaker 2 Because even Cracker Barrel recently decided that they felt a little embarrassed that it was so popular with bumpkins who salivated the sight of an old wagon wheel screwed to the wall.

Speaker 2 So they changed it to this, which got them no new customers while pissing off the old ones.

Speaker 2 It reminded me of when Chuck Schumer said in 2016 that for every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we're going to pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs of Philly, Ohio, Illinois, and Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 Yeah, how'd that work out?

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 at least Cracker Barrel had the sense to immediately say, oh shit, sorry, and put the sling blades back on the wall.

Speaker 2 Democrats don't seem to be doing that. They still seem to want to be that upscale store that impresses celebrities.
Anybody remember Barney's?

Speaker 2 It was this store in New York that started in the 20s, 1920s, as a discount clothing joint on unfashionable, grimy 7th Avenue, a place where their customers, the working man,

Speaker 2 could get a decent suit at a very reasonable price. I remember going there in 1993 to get my wardrobe for a new show Comedy Central was launching called Politically Incorrect.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 We had no budget, and this was a place you could buy five suits for two grand. Well, right after that,

Speaker 2 They opened a place on Madison Avenue, Barney's did, where you could buy one suit for five grand.

Speaker 2 They wanted a party with the cool kids, and for a while they got to. For a while, now they're a ghost brand that exists as a mini boutique inside one sack store.

Speaker 2 And I'm not making this up just because it's Halloween, but after Barney's closed for good in 2020, it became, yes, a spirit Halloween.

Speaker 2 I'm just saying, Democrats need to get their shit together because America needs two political parties, not one party and one Halloween store. Thank you very much.
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