Overtime – Episode #711: Gov. Andy Beshear, Kate Bedingfield, Michael Steele

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Speaker 7 Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO Late Night Series, Real Time with Bill Ma.

Speaker 8 All right, here we are with the Democratic governor of Kentucky and host of the Andy Bashir podcast, Governor Andy Bashir, the co-host of The Wick Night on MNMPC, Michael Steele.

Speaker 8 And she is a CNN political analyst and former White House Communications Director under President Biden, Phil Fenningfield.

Speaker 9 Okay, here are the questions from the people for the panel. Prince Harry, oh,

Speaker 9 What do we even care? Prince Harry, Megan Markle, Steve Bannon, hundreds of others called for a ban on developing AI superintelligence that would be smarter than humans. Are they right to be alarmed?

Speaker 9 Well, it's a little late.

Speaker 10 I mean,

Speaker 8 isn't this

Speaker 10 horse out of the barn than we're past? That train's out of the station.

Speaker 11 Yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 11 we should be alarmed, but at this point, the expectation is that our Congress needs to get into the conversation.

Speaker 11 But we saw how they handled the conversation with Facebook and all of that back in the day, and it didn't go well.

Speaker 9 Does this come up in your state?

Speaker 12 It does. And I think AI can be a tool, but it can't be the answer.
And the answer to every challenge created by AI can't be solved by AI. This can't be just a circular discussion.

Speaker 12 So I think it's recognizing that it's coming, recognizing that it's going to cause a lot of changes, but then creating the right guardrails to try to handle it responsibly.

Speaker 9 But didn't they already pass a law? Didn't Trump pass a law that said no guardrails?

Speaker 10 Isn't that where we are?

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 13 in the one big beautiful bill, right? They took out some of the state-specific guardrails, too. So it's.

Speaker 9 And I read this week, like 45% of what it's asked,

Speaker 9 it gets wrong.

Speaker 10 Well,

Speaker 12 so you're saying it's human.

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 10 It is. It's human intelligence.

Speaker 10 It's wrong written by humans. It's BSs, basically.
It does exactly what humans do.

Speaker 13 It tells you,

Speaker 13 it does exactly what humans do, the BSs.

Speaker 11 But there is something, I think, to be concerned about about the consolidation of who owns the AI platform.

Speaker 11 And that consolidation is something that's going to wind up in the hands of very, very few people who are going to have control over what it does. And then, of course, the impact on jobs.

Speaker 11 Jobs.

Speaker 11 I mean,

Speaker 11 I just landed here today and I was shocked at the number of driverless cars on the road. And I was talking to the driver, and he was like, there's my job in five years.

Speaker 12 And the electricity, I think, is the other thing we've got to look at.

Speaker 9 It's already sucking up all the electricity.

Speaker 13 And the masking of sources and everything that it provides you. I mean, you just, you don't know where the information is, right or wrong, where it's coming from.

Speaker 13 And that, we're already in an era of social media where especially kids don't have the discernment, the judgment. They're getting fed, you know, a bunch of, sometimes a bunch of crap.

Speaker 9 And it hallucinates. And yeah.
It literally hallucinates.

Speaker 9 And it can fall in love with you. Yeah.

Speaker 10 And try, I mean, it does, it's, it's. I mean, can you blame it? Really?

Speaker 12 It'll try to get you to leave your wife.

Speaker 10 Horrifying. Horrifying.
Wow, somebody really.

Speaker 10 Hey!

Speaker 9 And it also does some bad things.

Speaker 10 Somebody really just told on themselves.

Speaker 9 What does the panel think of Trump's latest group of pardons, including the former CEO of the crypto company

Speaker 9 Benance, and former Congressman George Santos?

Speaker 9 Well, I mean... He takes care of his own.
All I could say is he didn't do Diddy. He didn't do Diddy.

Speaker 8 Not this week.

Speaker 9 Diddy's not one of his own. He's next week.

Speaker 10 He's next week.

Speaker 9 Well, you know, I mean, I made a list of all these things that Trump does that are like

Speaker 9 not unprecedented. but also completely unprecedented.
That's to me the pattern. Like he changed the White House.
Like I said, lots of people have done it, not to that degree.

Speaker 9 Go to war like he's doing with Venezuela without congressional authorization. Well,

Speaker 9 that's every war since World War II.

Speaker 9 Pardons, family corruption. Under Biden, again, not to this degree.

Speaker 9 And, you know, everything he can point to and say, well, they did it, and I'm just going to take it to the nth degree. That to me is what this is.
He pardons his friends. He doesn't even make a,

Speaker 9 he doesn't try to not try to hide it. He's a my friends, if you like me, I like you, you get a pardon.

Speaker 10 If not, it's if you check the wrong box on your mortgage form.

Speaker 12 That's it. He pardoned George Santos, saying at the end, he always votes Republican.
And that is a reason, or at least commuted this sentence. But there are consequences to all this.

Speaker 12 You look at the rioter he pardoned from January 6th, just made a death threat against Hakeem Jeffries. If you let somebody get away with violence, they may cause it again.

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Speaker 9 Okay, what does the NBA, what does the NBA gambling scandal reveal about how pervasive sports betting is? Well, if it's spread to the players, a lot.

Speaker 10 Pretty darn pervasive, I think.

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 11 look,

Speaker 11 it's part of the culture now. It's seeped into everything

Speaker 11 that you can now bet on. I mean, in one sense, the Brits have been doing it for a long time, and they've been looking at us.
They look at us and go, I don't know what the problem is. But here,

Speaker 11 this is a new space for a lot of folks.

Speaker 11 And we've always been very clear about that bright line with sports.

Speaker 11 And because we believe in the honor of the game and all of that. And so this news this week for the NBA is really, it's going to hit them.
It's going to hit them hard in their fan base,

Speaker 11 I think. And they're going to have to figure out how to manage that storyline because I think it cuts deeper than they may realize.

Speaker 13 Yeah, it's clear that the leagues are going to have to take a

Speaker 13 heavier hand because you, I mean, this undermines the integrity of the game.

Speaker 13 If your fan base doesn't feel like the game's on the level,

Speaker 13 it's only a matter of time before your audience arose.

Speaker 9 Gambling got so pervasive.

Speaker 10 Isn't that what it is?

Speaker 9 I mean, I remember a time when you could gamble one place, Las Vegas, Nevada, or Reno, but through the state of Nevada.

Speaker 11 And then then there was Atlantic City, but.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Well, that's a good idea.

Speaker 9 And that came later. It came later.
And then it was all over, and then it was on your phone. And I don't even know why people want to bet, because it ruins the fun of it.

Speaker 9 When I owned a piece of the Mets for 10 years, it kind of ruined the game because I was worried about my money.

Speaker 10 Really?

Speaker 10 Yeah, for good reason.

Speaker 10 Because there were years I loved some.

Speaker 13 It's deeply addictive. I mean, gambling.

Speaker 10 Deeply addictive.

Speaker 13 It's deeply, deeply addictive. It's the same way that staring at your phone is addictive.
And you meld those two things,

Speaker 10 forget it. We'd love to have heard your locker room speech.

Speaker 12 I will say,

Speaker 12 now there's a way to track it, though. I mean, you look at there's been gambling scandals in the past with Pete Rose and others.

Speaker 12 They could track exactly how much was bet before that NBA player went out. with an injury early and start looking at it pretty quickly.

Speaker 9 Okay. So let's end with one that is a nice big fat pitch right down the middle for you.
Oh,

Speaker 9 thank you. How will the big, beautiful bill affect rural folks in Kentucky? Oh,

Speaker 12 the big, ugly bill.

Speaker 12 It's basically punching rural America in the face. It just is.
It's going to devastate rural economies because it's going to close or significantly impact rural hospitals.

Speaker 12 Every one of my rural hospitals is the the number one payroll in their community. And so if you eliminate a large part of that payroll, you don't just close the hospital.

Speaker 12 You close the local restaurant, you close the local coffee shop, and you close the local bank.

Speaker 12 You can't take a trillion dollars that's flowing through rural America out of it and not expect people to be impacted. But then there's the workforce.

Speaker 12 So right now, if you've got a clinic, you can miss a couple hours of work and see a doctor. But if you have to drive two to three hours, you're missing a day.

Speaker 12 And then you take your kids, and then you take your parents. It's going to profoundly impact America in really negative ways.

Speaker 9 So what are you going to do to

Speaker 9 make sure that

Speaker 9 your citizens are as protected as possible?

Speaker 12 Well, everything we can. We're going to try to make sure that people don't get kicked off Medicaid that should qualify for Medicaid.

Speaker 9 And we can do that on the state level.

Speaker 12 What they've tried to do is they've tried to double the paperwork.

Speaker 12 Sadly, they're hoping that those parents of a special needs child who are busy and both work don't check a box and then they lose coverage for six months or the other side, you know, long-term care ends up being covered by Medicaid.

Speaker 12 And so if you fail to check that box, are you taking your parent back into your home? Who has to stop working? How can you afford that coverage? I mean, this isn't just going to impact communities.

Speaker 12 It's going to devastate families. This is the worst piece of legislation in my lifetime for what it's going to do to my state, but I think also rural America.

Speaker 9 Okay.

Speaker 10 Thank you, panel. You're all great.

Speaker 8 We'll see you next week. Thank you, guys.

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