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It wasn't totally clear, I don't think,

how Murray would exist past season two.

Basically because they were focused on season two, but also, yeah, it was a different kind of character that was joining the cast, which is part of my immense gratitude that I not only got to be on the show, but got to play this very singular character on it that

the duffers brilliantly created for me.

And

yeah, and then, you know, they liked what I did, thankfully, and

made Murray grow, you know, from,

you know, third to fourth to the upcoming season.

So made me a major part of the of the fan.

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Welcome back to the commercial break.

I'm Brian Greene.

This is my dear friend and the co-host of this show, Chris and Joy Hoadley.

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And And we have a superstar of a human being on our show today.

Chrissy from Stranger Things, the little-known show on Netflix that we're hoping gains some steam here in its fifth and final season.

Murray from Stranger Things, also known as Brett Gelman in his real life, is here to talk to us today.

We could not be more excited.

I am so happy to talk to him.

Fleabag, his own podcast, Nerotica, he's got a book out we'll talk to him about, and he has done many, many, many many things in his career.

Adult swim.

I mean, on and on and on.

I can't do it.

Yeah, just looking at all of the things that he's done, I was like, my God.

Yes, if you look at the cover of this podcast and don't immediately recognize Brett Gelman as a guy who's been in a million things, then you're just not paying attention to pop culture because he's been in a million things.

He really has.

And I think now he's kind of, he's hit his stride, Chrissy, I would say.

He's got a brand new Netflix show out that we'll talk, Netflix show coming out.

It's actually out right now as you're listening to this called Entitled

and it's on Netflix and I'm interested to hear the story behind that.

But he is the lead in this television show.

He's the lead and an executive producer.

That's right.

So Brett is

I did when did he join Stranger Things?

One or two?

Second.

Okay.

He's the conspiracy theorist known as Murray.

And then his role in the show grows

as three, four, and now five come out.

Am I right about this?

Is the the last season of Stranger Things?

So, but I could easily see spin-off happening with Murray just to show about Murray because he's I know he's so unique.

That's what I like about Brett, and I look forward to telling him this: is that any role that he is in, he brings a like a very unique quality to it, where it's hard to imagine somebody else being placed inside of that role because it's uniquely Brett Gelman.

I don't know, he's one of those guys, he's got a face, he's got that those mannerisms, that attitude, that voice that is undeniably Brett.

So we are so happy to have him.

Listen, anybody from Stranger Things.

We're extremely thrilled.

We're extremely thrilled to have him.

He does such an extremely fantastic job on Stranger Things and Fleabag, which I haven't watched a lot of.

Oh, I loved Fleabag.

It's been out a few years now, but I mean, it's a fantastic show.

Only two seasons.

I wanted more, but Jeff and I kind of stumbled into it on Amazon.

Everybody.

And yeah, I loved it.

Every time I say that I'm a huge fan of British television shows and British comedy, everybody asks me, have you seen Fleabat?

And it's been on my list for years to watch, but I've only caught a couple of episodes.

Bring it up to the top of the list.

I know.

I must do.

It's a do-do for Brian Green.

Brian must do that very soon,

immediately, if not sooner, as one of my friends used to say.

It's a funny ass.

Immediately, if not sooner, yes.

Oh, actually, I think that might be from Caddy, but my friend used to repeat it.

He said,

Bring my valet, bring my car around immediately, if not sooner.

That's a judge.

Caddyshack, bring my car around immediately, if not sooner.

So let's do this.

Why delay talking to Brett Gelman?

Let's get as much Brett Gelman as we possibly can.

I want to talk to him about his early days in acting, his time with UCB, his

long run with Adult Swim, which is just, I mean, Adult Swim is brilliant.

Anybody doesn't think Adult Swim is brilliant, you don't need to be a friend of mine.

And if you haven't heard of Adult Swim or you haven't gotten on board yet, it might be too late, but who knows?

Did they take Adult Swim down or something?

Yeah, they've really downsized Adult Swim, unfortunately.

Fuck that.

Fuck that, Turner broadcasting HBO Max Plus Minus Double Cinemax, whatever you're calling yourself these days.

Fuck that.

If there's one golden nugget out of all of the content that you have, it should be Adult swim that should get treatment as if it was the Dead Sea Scrolls itself.

Do you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, it was so

just,

it's so unique

and unique and weird.

I mean, there's so many shows on there that are just incredible.

I mean, when aliens come down.

You can't believe it's on TV.

Yeah.

50 million years, billion years from now, when we are dead and then life repopulates the planet.

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And some other life form is here, intelligent life form, and they're digging in the dirt one day.

And they find something related to adult swim.

It's a treasure that they can mine, and they're going to go, Whoa, it was a lot weirder than we ever thought it was.

But they'll be laughing at least.

They'll be laughing.

And that's what matters.

Adult swim.

Why, why, why?

Why, adult swim?

Why?

Shame.

Shame.

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Brett, thank you very much for joining us.

Welcome.

Thank you.

Thank you so much for having me.

Yeah, of course.

We are big fans of your now seemingly large body of work.

And so many things that everyone will know, of course.

Do you

is Stranger Things the thing that makes you like not be able to get through an airport because people are

like fawn over you?

Is that the the one thing that everybody goes oh my gosh you're the guy from strange or fleabag or which one do you get noticed more for do you i would say stranger things yeah i would say stranger things is the most

uh

yeah that's like

i

yeah i i have the same level of fame no matter where i go in the world it's wild it's uh yeah it's got to be um

spend a few minutes on it and then we'll move on because, but I imagine this has got to be like life-changing because very few television series have captured the collective imagination like Stranger Things.

It really was a global phenomenon and it's unbelievable.

Did you know when you jumped on board, did you understand the jergenaut that this thing was going to was going to be called for you?

Yeah, well, I jumped on in season two, so I already knew.

You know and so that's true and

but i didn't know what i didn't know what my involvement would be necessarily you know was

it i came to play this character i don't have like a ton in season two uh

and it wasn't totally clear i don't think

how murray would exist past season two

um

basically because they were focused on season two but also yeah it was a different kind of character that was joining the cast, which is part of my immense gratitude that I not only got to be on the show, but got to play this very singular character on it that

the duffers brilliantly created for me.

And

yeah, and then, you know, they liked what I did, thankfully, and

made Murray grow, you know, from,

you know, third to fourth to the upcoming season.

So made me me a major part of

the fan.

And how does that come out?

I'm so excited about it coming out.

I've watched them every year.

So it's come out,

right?

You got to look up the

trailer,

the teaser for the upcoming thing.

It's the ultimate flex.

There's three installments.

There's three installments.

It's the day before.

It's the day before Thanksgiving.

The first installment.

Okay, so the fall.

Second is Christmas.

Oh, my God.

Third is New Year.

They're saying,

you love this show so much.

You're going to spend your holiday this way.

But the thing is, though, is most people.

A lot of people spend their holiday at home anyway.

Of course.

So it is like a brilliant marketing thing.

But even people I know who probably who have plans to go out, you know, that's what the fandom of this show is.

They will choose to stay home instead now that they know that it's coming out.

That's going to have raucous fucking numbers.

That's going to be raucous fucking numbers because I imagine a lot of people do go out Thanksgiving, Christmas, they're traveling, but no one in their right minds does not have their device in their hand at night and go,

I've got to do this.

I got to shoot this.

No, I mean, like, you know, if they're like on a road trip or something, they're going to pull over and they're going to watch it on their phone in a gas station bathroom.

I mean, like,

it's just that type of thing.

It's going to,

it's, no, I, I, uh, it's amazing to be a part of something that is so

gargantuan in such like a

way that

that has not, you know, happened that much in this in this business and in this art form.

Uh, you know, the original Star Wars,

Lord of the Rings, and then this show.

And,

but the, the best thing about it is, is that it very much deserves to be that big.

Yeah.

And then I'm artistically very proud of it and very proud of being a part of it.

I mean, I've said this a lot.

I was, I actually, I mean, I watched the first season in like two days.

I binge in two days.

I was a massive, I was like, somebody was like, you check out the show Stranger Things

on Netflix.

So yeah, House of Cards, House of Cards, Orange is the New Black.

Yeah, that's it.

yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah, those two shows, those two shows,

and then, like, yeah, on that thing over there, yeah, uh, it's got this new great show.

Hopefully, check it out.

You mean the people who mail the DVDs to you?

Yes, you can now see a thing on the thing, and you get the thing with your thing.

I think they were still, we were still getting DVDs mailed to us by the time this came out.

I did, and

uh,

it was like, yeah, okay, cool.

I was filming this film Lemon, you know, that I co-wrote.

Oh, yeah.

And it was, I was co-producing it.

It was like the week was like, had one day off a week or two days off.

Anyway, no, it had to have been two days off, but like the week was so

intense.

And then I remember just being like, okay, I'm going to watch, gonna watch the show on the weekend.

And I turned on and after 10 minutes, I was like, this is what I'm spending my weekend doing, I guess, because because this is one of the greatest things I've ever seen.

And

then I did call my agent and I was like, you got to get me on this show.

And

you do that a lot in your career.

Sure.

And sometimes it happens,

and your agent goes, yeah,

we'll try.

Like, I mean, that's that's what happens.

That's what you pay your agent to do is give you the good news and never the bad, right?

Yeah, we'll try.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Yeah.

I mean, they don't want to tell you bad news and bum you out, and you know, I get it.

And they can't force anybody to hire you, sure.

And they can't force anybody to get you in the room.

Uh, you know, obviously, there's cases where

agents are not working for you, but I am lucky that I don't have that.

You know, my agent, my reps work very hard for me, and I'm very grateful to them.

Uh, but

uh, yeah, but he called, he's like, I got you, I got you in there,

and

I went in.

I had no idea.

It was like a monologue.

It's like, this guy's a conspiracy theorist.

That's all you were given.

He's like a strange conspiracy theorist.

You don't totally know what he is.

So the rest I just kind of did with my imagination in the room.

And I remember seeing an actor who I very much admire.

He was in the waiting room.

And as I came out, and I just did a very, you know, to me, it was like a very simple simple

thing with him in a way.

You know, there was just, it wasn't,

you didn't want to do too much with him.

Right.

Because what was swarming around him was so much.

And then

I remember doing a very like simple

read

and letting all of that conspiracy and paranoia come through.

And then I walked out of the waiting room and this guy had a hoodie up and he was like, I was like, oh, that guy's getting it.

That guy's guy's getting it.

I'm not getting this.

And that guy's like methoding out in the

waiting room.

He's dead.

I should have put more in him.

I should have done more.

And,

but no, I got it.

You did.

I got it.

Speaking of being out of town, real quick, while the season's come out, I think it was season two.

My husband and I had gone up for like a North Georgia mountain weekend, but season two had just come out.

And we ended up watching it like the whole, like binged like the whole season.

Chrissy went to go get to get into nature and she watched it.

She watched Brent for the entire weekend.

Oh, man.

It's one of those shows, though.

It really is.

I've binged every season.

And as I watch seasons that I'm in, I'm still watching it as a fan and like even like feel like I'm not watching my sit, like I'm watching

my character.

It's really wild.

The work of great art is that even when you're a part of it, it becomes something completely different that even you yourself don't recognize.

It's like, and you're filming it probably in some ways.

I don't know, but I imagine some parts are disconnected.

You get little three-minute chunks that you're filming.

You're in certain parts, they're in certain parts, and then they piece it all together.

When you go in for that original audition and they say conspiracy theorist, and you're like, oh, okay.

When you do an audition like that, and they don't give you a lot to work with, are those the hardest to do when they don't give you a lot of direction?

They just say, conspiracy theorist here, take it and run with it.

Or, in a way, is it liberating because there's a piece of paper you can color with?

Oh, there is there is nothing for me that's liberating about an audition.

No,

I saw two actors talking, I won't say who, and I was so jealous of them because they're like, I love auditioning.

I miss it.

I miss it because it's my chance to perform.

It's my chance to perform.

And I have to, in an audition,

constantly remind myself, this is a performance.

This is a performance.

This is a performance

because rather than it's me trying to get the job.

Because that's where my brain is naturally going to.

And I think it's like a reaction to all of the rejection, all of the years that

you just, you know, there's a big part of your brain knows, and this is the reality.

I think no matter how successful you get,

that there's a great likelihood you're not going to get the role.

Yeah.

That this will be the only time you will be saying these lines and at all playing this character.

And so there's this thing, this like sort of like, I think, for me, that starts to like just be like,

oh, don't, you know, just like,

don't worry about it.

And I have to fight that so hard, which

now I'm, I'm really,

I'm, I'm the best I've ever been at fighting that sabotage, you know, inside of my head.

But, you know, I think it's a lot of people.

I fight the urge to want it too much, and that starts to affect what's going on in the room instead of just being present in the moment and letting whatever happen as the performance unfolds.

Yeah.

Fighting the urge to want it too much, and then that urge to compensate for that by

not mentally and emotionally prepping in the right way to where you are, like sort of throwing it away and not, you know, treating it like it should be.

Yeah.

But I, you know, I, I,

what helps me with that, though, is, is

I, I know, I'm, I mean, I work really hard on auditions, I do when I read because I'm lucky that the things I read for I really want and they're really good most of the time.

And

even when they're not, it's

you know, it's a job I want.

So, you know, sometimes, hey, this isn't like the best thing, but I see that it'll be good for me, and I'll be able to make this character, I'll be able to enjoy playing this character.

And

so then I just, you know, really focus on I have, you know, I have my guru who helps me, my coach, Martha Gaiman, who is, you know, my

getting into it with her now, which I have been for the last few years, it helps that too, because it makes it more of a part of a, it makes it more part of like you're engaging in the art, you know, and not the just trying to get the gig, you know?

Yeah, not so much the hustle of it, but the

moment of it.

I think one of the things that is immediately identifiable about you and the things that I have seen you in is that there's an originality.

You bring an originality to each of the roles that you play that's that's unique and identifiable, where there are a lot of other actors and actresses that I don't identify.

It could be interchangeable.

It could be interchangeable.

You could put anybody in there and it would be, and that's not to knock the actors and actress.

Everyone's working very hard at what they do, I'm sure.

But you bring something,

there's a little extra spice, there's some magic, there's some, you know, all spice in there.

I don't know how to, I don't don't know how to say it, but it's very unique.

And you're, you're immediately bringing something to that role where you can't imagine somebody else as Murray.

Like, it's just not an easily,

in my opinion, I wouldn't imagine anybody else in that role now.

I agree.

Where there are other people, maybe not in Stranger Things, but in other roles I can think of, where I would be like, that could be anybody that looks like that could play that same part.

So I think that says something about your ability to channel a certain creative force.

Um, in a very thank you, that means a lot, man.

That means a lot.

I, uh,

yeah, I strive for that.

I strive for that.

Um,

I think, you know, I, I, I'm lucky that I've got led into

learning a lot of different schools of acting,

a lot of different, you know, I was, I'm classically trained,

uh,

which, you know, is basically like conditioning your body to act

everything.

Yeah.

Most, you know, and especially

classical theater, which, you know, if you're not trained in that,

it, it can be more difficult.

You know, you have to learn,

it's just such a beast, like no other.

Did you learn some of that at North Carolina?

Am I right?

Yeah.

You went to North Carolina Performing Arts.

Yes.

It's a classical training program.

It was a conservatory so it was like you lived and breathed acting voice uh script analysis uh you know all different which quite a few people have that school you know have gone to that school i know danny mcbride it kind of perked my ears when i saw yeah you had danny was in danny was in film danny wasn't in the acting program but yeah danny i was there when danny and joey hill and david gordon green were in the in the film program and they basically i mean were sort of the pioneers of that program and sort of brought it to be

what it is now.

And then

and Craig Zobel and like, you know, these people.

But,

and yes, but getting that training.

And then when I graduated,

I couldn't, you know, get a job.

And so

I was like, I'm going to be on Broadway.

People would be like, you know, you should do like sketch too.

You'd be great on Saturday Night Live.

And I was like, no, I'm going to

Saturday Night Live, Pish Posh, Pish Posh,

Shakespeare.

And then we have the.

Exactly.

You know, all the major playwrights of the day.

One,

one Man Angels in America.

Yes, exactly.

And then,

and then it was like,

no, who are you?

Bye.

Like, I think, like, I, we did this, like,

I was performing for all the agents and casting directors of the day.

And

nobody, nobody wanted to, to sign me.

And then, uh, I've said this so many times, but

the only advice I got was from one like battle axe of a, of a, of a casting director who agreed to have a sympathy meeting with me.

You're a character actor, kid.

You'll work when you're 50.

And, but then I was lucky that

the Upright Citizens Brigade was coming into fruition in New York.

You know, it was in its early days.

This was

1999.

I was 10 years old.

I was a prodigy and skipped through.

I mean, I'm acting Stukey Hauser.

No, but yeah, it's crazy to think that it was that long ago.

And then

it was really much in its infancy, um, even though it was like the hot thing in town, though, it was like, I mean, they were, they were, the four of them, you know, yeah, uh, Amy, Matt Besser, Ian Roberts, and Matt Walsh were, and then everybody like associated with that.

They were like the coolest show in town.

Then, you know, you have the student body, which was us,

and we all built it to be, you know, under their guidance.

And,

you know, we all, like, as a group, built it to be what it, you know, to make it equal the groundlings in Second City as like a place to find comedic performers and writers.

And,

you know, and then like it reawakened in me, like, my love of sketch and everything, and like how much that was like my roots.

And that, you know, I really needed to be reminded of like,

yeah,

I did want to be on Saturday Night Live.

And and like the saturday night live performers were are

still uh some of my favorite actors and

and just you know sketch in general and comedy in general everyone from mel brooks to money python so yeah uh

and because i knew how to be on a stage unlike some of the weirdos they were letting in there in the early days right because it was such a dope which i'm very grateful for it was like so in all because like you know the ucb would be like wow this person is one of a kind strange and they're not an actor but people need to see them on stage and we need to see like how somebody like vibes up against that person and i don't know if that's like really what it is anymore i haven't i'm not sure sure um but um

That was really great to see and to be in this like rough environment and

be going from so it was like putting yourself out there and like seriously sucking a lot of the nights was another great training and just like and being so heavily involved in long-form improv and then like the alt comedy scene, which was like the stand-up scene that was not the clubs where

the weirdest you could be, the better.

Even it was more important to be strange than funny at some times.

That seems more fun.

Well, listen, I've been doing a lot of homework on this kind of early 2000s alt comedy scene that was going on.

I mean, Zach Galifanakis might be one of the most famous examples of someone who was just

weird as fuck, but he would keep the bit going long enough that it just all of a sudden,

it was Kauffman-esque.

Honestly, it was.

And there were places, they'd be in like the, I don't know, in the bathroom of a coffee shop doing like comedy, and people would show up to be there because it was just performance art that had this comedic twinge to it.

And it sounds like the UCB early on wasn't that, but they were butting up against, like, they were welcoming that energy into the room at times.

Like, hey, that absolutely.

Let's bring him in and see how it goes.

Yeah, then the two scenes like started to merge in a more like concrete way.

And you started to have,

you know, a lot of the all-comedians doing shows at UCB.

And then, like,

yeah, I mean, you were striving to be, I was striving to be like Zach or like John Glazer.

You know, I mean, John Glazer

is my Louie, you know, well, Louie was a lot to a lot of people, or like, you know, Chris is to a lot of people.

It's like

John Glazer would do these bits that I just, and this is when John was writing on like late night with Conan O'Brien and just like coming in and doing these bits.

And you have people like him, Brian Stack, and Andy Blitz,

and

just

doing these wild, bizarre bits that

was like what we were all striving for.

I'm like, you know, Mr.

Show with Bob and Dave, you know, Odin Kirk and David Cross.

So it was like that stuff was like what was fueling the alt scene.

And then

that was also fueling UCB, but, you know, what was also fueling UCB, which was, you know, as much of a heavy influence on me, was like,

you know, that was when Will was on, when Will Farrell was on Saturday Night Live.

You know, that was the height of Conan O'Brien.

That was like, it was just a very, very exciting time in comedy.

It really is.

And, yeah.

And so, like,

that was what we were all vying to get on Saturday Night Live.

And they had lots, you know, you'd see Tina Faye and Rachel Dratch come and do ASCAD every Sunday.

And,

you know, it was amazing.

And

so then there was that.

And then I also started studying the method, you know, with certain teachers

and

getting into that teacher named tony greco and then what did you do who was like strausbergs

about method acting because i've read a fair amount about method acting and we've all had examples of method actors who have put it down performances on celluloid that were just remarkable is but it seems like a very hard

place to go uh sometimes but i don't know i've never met that acting yeah no it's very hard it's very hard but very fulfilling

and it doesn't you know and

uh my former personal trainer asked me one day he was like

he was like hey man are you a method actor

and i was like oh wow i don't know how to answer that question

And then I asked Martha, you know, and so after Tony, then I started, you know, working with Martha on all of my roles.

And Martha's the head of the actors studio, which basically least draw, you know, yeah, yes,

created, you know, created the American acting form in this country, which by way of Russia, obviously, by way of the Soviet Union.

But

so, and she's the daughter of Estelle Parsons, who is like, you know, at Method Act, you know, American Acting Royalty.

And yeah, and, you know, Roseanne's mother, if you, you know, if you want to, which is an incredible performance.

Um, but, um,

yeah, and so she, I was like, hey, somebody asked my personal trainer asking if I'm a method actor.

And I'm like, am I?

She's like, just when people ask you that, tell them that you have a process.

It does seem like a process.

I think that's what it is.

Like, I don't think it's like one thing.

Like, I think it depends on the thing you're doing.

And I've said this a lot that, like, you can over-prepare.

One thing that I remember Tony telling the class, he's like, you can over-prepare for a role as much as you can under-prepare.

So, not every role is going to be given the same things.

Yeah.

And it shouldn't be.

Otherwise, you're not,

it's just not

doing the thing service.

So, you're way, you know, if you, if you put

too much of like what some may call, you know, refer to as like the

methodology into a role, it's going to weigh it down potentially.

You know,

the thing is not.

And all of a sudden, it's just another thing altogether.

It's like you're just adding too much to it.

But it was, what it does do, though, across the board is it gets you thinking about the role and the thing in an immersive way that leads you to, you know, hopefully doing it in the way that it needs to be done.

When you hear, and because it's not always like every, and everybody thinks about method acting is that you're the character the whole time, and that's not necessarily

that's not technically what it is.

Uh, it's more about like sensory and you know, sense memory, emotional memory, and these things.

Being the character the whole time

is

not like what's taught at the studio, you know.

But that's something that a lot of actors choose to do

because they develop their own process to do that.

And I'm not going to hate on that.

No.

A lot of great people do that,

but it's not necessarily the

classic method acting.

Interesting.

I saw this really funny reel the other day.

Dave Chappelle is on stage and he says, My dad died, and I couldn't get over it.

And I got a phone call.

I forgot who it was from, Conan or somebody.

And he said, he knew that I was a fan of Jim Carey.

And he said, you want to go and meet Jim Carrey?

And he said, Dave said, this is the first time I can remember being excited about anything since my dad died.

I really wanted to meet Jim Carrey.

He was kind of my hero.

So I go to set and I didn't know he was filming Man on the Moon,

of course, when he's playing Kaufman.

And he said, so I go into the trailer and I'm waiting.

And all of a sudden, Jim Carrey walks in the door and I go, oh my God, Jim Carrey, I've been wanting to meet you.

And the whole room goes dead silent.

And they, and somebody leans over and goes, his name is Andy.

And he goes, who the fuck is Andy?

Who the fuck is Andy?

And he wasn't responding when I was saying, hey, Jim, I reached my hand and he goes, I came all this way to meet Jim Carrey.

I met some asshole named Andy.

And he said, but he was telling the story about how amazing it was to be in that.

Years later, he recognizes how amazing it was to be in that trailer at that moment when someone is doing, you know, preparing for this performance or being in this moment that ended up being such a great movie, such a great performance by all accounts, right?

Yeah, amazing.

But I think that's like you said, that's probably a very exaggerated version of what method acting is.

But if maybe that's just where Jim Carrey needed to go in that moment to get that performance that he wanted.

And do you use the method with all of your Adult Swim things that you did?

I did a little.

I mean, I did a bit.

I did a bit because with that stuff, I mean, you're huge fans,

especially in Atlanta here

of Adult Swim or in general.

And especially Mr.

Pickle.

No, I mean,

oh my God, Mr.

Pickles.

I saw that that was credit to people.

I've got to ask him about that.

That show is so

incredibly just bonkers, crazy.

It's so amazing.

My husband and I laugh so hard at that show.

I do owe Adult Swim a lot.

I owe Adult Swim

a lot.

You know, we had a little bit of a tricky thing, you know, over,

you know, a little bit of a falling out, but,

and you can look it up in the, in the news.

Yeah, we don't.

I don't want to talk about it.

No, but I'd like, I mean, but that, but, um, they, you know, really gave me a major platform to, and

gave a lot of people a major platform to do things that you could never do anywhere else on television.

I mean, like, and that was a major thing too.

That was a major like force of my life for a while was doing Eagle Heart and doing my dinner specials that

were, it was, you know, I mean, I remember watching my dinner specials and I'm like, I can't believe this is on television.

And I think like entitled has like a little, you know, the show that's coming.

Oh, yeah, we only mentioned this in the pre-interview.

Talk about this.

Let me tell the audience.

I fell into this.

Yeah,

he's going to, we're going to talk about this, but he described this right before we came on air in our little intro chat here.

He described this as a gothic horror comedy that, even if you don't like it, you're going to ask yourself, why the fuck is this on television?

So now tell us about Entitled.

What's the story there?

I made it with the fleabag producers.

Great job.

Myself and my wife are the only Americans in the show.

Everybody else is British.

And

Ari Diane, who I'm sure we'll talk about in a second.

But,

and then it's, I play a disgraced plastic surgeon.

I already like it.

It's already right up my alley.

It's British

disgraced plastic surgeon.

I play a disgraced plastic surgeon.

And it,

I,

my wife dies in, who's British, in a freak hot tub accident.

She's electrocuted.

And I've never met any of her family.

She says she's estranged from her family.

She grew up, she told me she grew up poor.

And

in her will, it says, I want my body to be returned to my family in England.

And

I strap her coffin to the roof of a car.

And once I land in the airport uh

and uh because i'm broke i'm broke i have to transport it there myself and i bring her body uh to an address that she's given me and it's a gigantic mansion it turns out she lied to me she was a part of the aristocracy

this family and this family is very strange

and uh

And it's not clear.

There's a lot of secrets.

There's some supernatural elements.

It gets very gothic.

Horror.

Nice.

And yeah, it's a gothic horror comedy.

I should have said that to begin with.

And then

the family maybe is trying to kill me, maybe drive me insane.

And that's, you know, and from there, I don't want to reveal too much, but that's like a lot of the gist of the show.

You wrote this and did this two years ago?

I didn't write it.

Matt Morgan, very talented writer named named Matt Morgan.

You guys produced this two years ago.

I was one of the executive producers on it.

I was one of the producers on it with

two brothers who made Flea Bag and with Matt.

And it's directed by Tim Kirkby, who is a fantastic director who

came up in the whole alt.

Like when I was coming up in comedy, too, like we were watching Look Around You, which, you know, which

Tim directed directed and and things like the mighty bouche and of course the british office

so good you know all of these that there was such a like vibrant alt british comedy scene that was making all of these amazing television shows that me and my friends were watching and that were heavily influencing us uh so like this is like kind of like a culmination of that in in this of like you know that

that influence on me.

This sounds like my kind of television show.

Yeah, because already what you're describing sounds wild, but then, you know, the kind of the organic roots are like Mighty Boosh, in my opinion, is a brilliant comic television show, but I just have a weird sense of humor that

sounds like you share, you know.

Yeah.

Like Adult Swim.

Absolutely.

Mighty Boosh,

Peep Show, like all these weird British television comedies.

Dark Merangues, Dark Place.

Yes.

You know, like, yeah.

That Adult Swim showed a lot on the network because it was very much much in line with

Adult Swim and Tim and Eric and stuff like that.

Tim and Eric, awesome show, great job.

Like, these shows.

And if you grew up in a certain time, Adult Swim was everywhere.

I don't know that it is so much anymore.

Things have changed.

I'm sure it's different now, new ownership and all that other stuff.

And I know they've been downsized in some ways.

That's what I've read.

But it's a great American gift to comedy because it gave a home to comedic voices that were far from mainstream, but absolutely fucking hilarious, like people who should have been platformed

when Reba was on or King of Queens.

Not that, you know, listen, they have their place too, but you know, I guess my comic sensibilities are just a little bit more,

I don't know, a little bit more spicy than those types of shows.

But yeah, like you were Xavier,

yeah,

it had Xavier renegade angel.

Like, I mean, this amazing, brilliant piece of art,

you know, and I mean,

it just like had so much stuff that there's no way any other network would have greenlit it ever.

So Entitled is on Netflix.

I just want to let the listeners know.

Entitled is on Netflix.

As you're listening to this, Entitled is on Netflix.

It just came out July 15th.

So go

watch it.

It's a series.

And my gratitude, Netflix saved it.

Netflix saved it.

It was floating around.

It didn't really have a home for various reasons for a couple of years, And we didn't know.

And I'm very grateful to Netflix for saving it to put it out there so the world can see it in the best way possible.

I have to say to Netflix, there's a lot that I don't like.

There's some stuff that we can all argue about.

And I think in some ways streamers broke something that maybe wasn't, or they broke something that maybe didn't need to be broken.

But anyway, I put that aside to say that Netflix in a lot of ways does support comedy.

Comedy.

They are supposed to be in a large way.

They have have bought in big especially on stand-up comedy and um and they do

put you know they do

tend to come in and take chances on television shows that otherwise are just not going to get made they're not going to be there yeah absolutely i mean you know i

They're a business and they're not unlike, it's like the way in which this comes to us changes, but it's still the same thing.

You're still going to be getting from every outlet, every studio, every network, most things are going to be shit.

And then you're going to get your special things that you love.

And the fact that Netflix is, you know, and everywhere really is willing to support special things, still,

we're doing okay.

You know, we're doing as good as we've ever been doing.

It's, it's, this is, this is not an easy business, you know, and

it never has been, by the way, you know, it's, it never has been.

And the,

listen, the big studios and all the drama, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, they will be around and they will just morph into, you know, things are just changing.

That's, that's it.

It will figure, it will shuffle itself out and it will figure out its way.

And, you know, as long as there are companies like Netflix to support creators' visions, then things will come to light.

Hopefully, if they should.

Stranger Things

is an

example of the one in a billion television or movie projects that is just

defies gravity and

unintended, pun intended, right?

It just defied gravity.

And that's, and you, I, I have to go back way back to the beginning of this conversation.

The one question I, I didn't ask, I would love to hear: what happens when you get the phone call that you got it, you're it.

Here you go.

You got the, you got the, you got the gig on Stranger Things.

Flipped out.

I mean, like, so beyond happy, so ecstatic, and then immediately worried that something is going to make it fall through.

Where is the other?

When is the other shoe going to drop?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Oh, Brett.

You're exactly a lot of fun.

I'm so excited.

I will be more excited when I am on set

and when I've not been cut out and I'm pepped in.

When I see the finals.

Yeah.

When I see the finals and I'm there and my words are there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But then it it was always this thing because you know, the duffers are really secretive, so you do have this thrill every season when you get to see it, you know, what you're gonna do, and so they always surprise me with incredible things, you know, it's just fun to see it just

be laid out in real time in front of your eyes.

I mean, obviously, they give you enough time to prep, but you know, it's it's uh

understandably,

you know, you can't like tell actors too much.

Yes.

You can't tell anybody too much.

I've heard that much.

No, no, no, no.

When you come here to Atlanta, do you live here in Atlanta for a period of time?

I mean, I've lived there a lot.

Yeah.

I never like moved there totally because the way in which the

I had a I had a house there at some point.

And, but, you know, you come in and out because a lot of times they're shooting a lot of your stuff really condensed and then you have some time off.

So, um,

yeah.

So I would be there for long stints, but not like crazy long stints, not like relocating there.

Yeah.

One day, uh,

I don't want to mention it because I don't, I don't want to give an indication of where I live.

I love our fans.

I love our listeners, but I don't want them at my no, keep it private.

Don't, Killer.

You know, all it takes is one lunatic.

Yeah, yeah, that's Totally.

But we're here in Atlanta.

And one day we're looking out the window to see a couple of police officers just

sitting outside the neighborhood across the street.

And then all of a sudden, trucks are pulling up.

Trailers are pulling up, lighting rigs, gears.

I mean, this is all happening like within three hours, right?

All of a sudden, it's like a full-blown movie set out there.

And we have to go somewhere.

We go somewhere, we have dinner.

It's like two and a half hours later.

We come back and they're

shutting everything down and moving, you know, they're essentially gone.

And we were like, wow, that was weird.

And, you know, they have all these signs and people put online what the signs mean, you know, here, go there.

This, this is this film, that's that film.

And I thought to myself, what the hell did they just do?

In three and five hours, they went up and they came down.

That seems, and anyway, so we went to learn from the neighbors across the street that what they were doing was pickups for stranger things, like some kind of, you know,

second photography or whatever they call it.

Like they were doing some extra shoots or scene shoots or whatever.

But it's all over Atlanta.

If you lived here long enough, you've seen a Stranger Things Set or two somewhere around here.

Totally.

Yeah.

No, it's

as much of a part of Atlanta as

Outcast or Future.

You know, it's, yeah, it's like, but I'm proud of that.

I'm proud of that it's like an Atlanta production.

We're proud that it.

Yeah.

Because Atlanta's an incredible,

you know, Atlanta has driven the culture, you know, pop culture in such a

huge way, especially the last 30 years.

I mean, in such an important, prevalent way, whether it's music or television or film.

It's just, you know, and so it's cool

to be there for that, you know, in so many different ways.

I mean, even when I wasn't filming there, you know, Adult Swims in Atlanta network and was very much like coming out of the spirit of Atlanta and was aligned with like the experimentation of Atlanta that

people don't give it enough, still don't give it enough credit for.

And so I think like that's like a very big thing about the regarding the creativity of the show.

Love him or hate them, Ted Turner gave a lot of people a lot of freedom to do a lot of stuff.

We can thank him for 24-hour news.

We can thank him for adults.

We can thank him for TNT and Braves Baseball being popular across the world.

I mean, we can thank Ted for a lot of things, including owning a lot of land out.

Yeah, there was a recent documentary that came out

on HBO about him and his life is incredible.

The things that he's done with his life, yeah, it's just, it was, it was incredible.

Brett has a podcast also that I find very entertaining.

Please tell us a little bit more about that.

Thank you, Kat.

You're welcome.

I find it extremely entertaining.

Let me be clear about that.

I find it extremely entertaining.

I do that to my

rep, like, good, you know, my manager.

Good job on the, you know, on the on the show.

What do you mean, good?

I have like a weird thing with good.

I, I, I, I adjective.

It's again, insecurity, insecurity.

Um, no, it's called Nerotica.

It's uh, hosted by myself and my wife, Ari Dayan, who's also an actress and a singer-songwriter.

And uh,

we basically,

I mean, we basically riff the whole time and talk about a lot of the aspects of our relationship.

And, you know, it, we, you know, it really is meant to make the listener or viewer feel like you're sitting down to dinner with us.

It's to be the same case that

and same experience if you're just like in a restaurant or a bar or at our house with us.

And it's like no boundaries.

The two of us are

sensual beings and neurotic beings.

Neurotica.

So listening to an episode a couple of weeks ago, Chrissy, or a week ago, a couple of weeks ago, I can't remember.

And Brett goes, so tell me about your love life

to his wife.

This is this playful energy the two of you have that I can really I really appreciate.

I really do.

A lot of ways I

there's some familiarity there to the relationship that I have with my own wife.

It's really funny.

So, wherever you get podcasts, Enlightened is coming out.

Let's make that something that gets a season two.

Or does it conclude?

Is it a mini-series or could it be a season two?

There could be a season two.

Absolutely.

Right.

There you go.

I would be more than down for it to be a season two, but we got to see how it does.

You know, everyone must pray to the algorithm.

Yes.

And

I'm hoping that the ST fans, you know, need a little appetizer before the season five premiere and need me that bad.

Yes.

No, but I'm really, I'm very proud of it.

It's one of the best things I've ever done.

And

yeah.

And, you know,

you get to see me in the lead for better or worse.

You're with me.

For most of the time.

You're with me for the most of the time.

Hanging out with me.

Do I sniff a Stranger Things spin-off coming in the works?

I don't know.

Oh, my God.

Fandom that says, you know, people say a lot of things, you know, who knows?

Whatever.

That is, you know, there is nothing in the works.

In the works, but I would be more than down for that.

I would love.

I would love Murray to have a spin-off.

I think that that would be really, really, I see how that could work, and I think it could be really, really fun.

and

and uh

there'd be a lot of karate and a lot of language and

a lot of foreign languages and foreign dialects i think we'd start getting really a lot more into disguises and uh

so it'd be like it'd be like my way

of

uh be a of like doing my harrison ford fantasy continuing that and my peter sellers uh my peter Sellers fantasy.

And yeah,

I would be so down if Murray became the better call sell of Stranger Things.

Brett Gelman is going to be appearing in a little show called Stranger Things,

Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's.

Your holiday season.

You don't even have to mark it on your calendar.

It's already there.

Just scratch out Christmas and put Stranger Things.

Yeah.

Brett Gelman.

Enlightened is available now on New York.

Entitled.

Entitled.

Entitled.

I'm sorry.

Why did I say Enlightened?

Enlightened was a great show.

It was a great show.

Fantastic show.

Unsung masterpiece.

And I agree.

It was underrated.

I'm with you on that one.

Entitled

is available now on Netflix.

There are links in the show notes.

He also has a book.

I'm going to put the links in the show notes.

We didn't get to that this time, but we will get to it next time because you are welcome back anytime.

Maybe as we get closer to season five and it's a fevered pitch, then

you can come on and

discuss

the book is the terrifying realm of the possible.

It's very Jewish, it's very neurotic, and it's victory.

I love it.

I love it.

No, but

I think people,

it's five characters who are

stricken with a lot of stuff.

So,

in a funny, surreal way, you are the

jaddy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm I'm the jaddy, the Jewish daddy.

I coined that in fashion.

Nice.

Too.

You know, somebody had to do it.

Like, Elliot Gould is like, you know, 80 by now.

So, you know,

I got to take that torch.

My favorite reel that you have put out lately is the one where you're wearing like a fur-skinned robe with slippers on, walking through the airport.

And somebody stops you and says, excuse me, are you Brett Gelman from Stranger Things?

And you say,

I'm just trying to quietly get to my gate for my flight.

Yeah, it was really funny.

No, I don't know.

Well, it's first of all, the first fake.

I would not, you know, the first fake.

Unless it was vintage, a vintage real fur.

It's okay.

It's already been done.

It's totally done.

But it's a fake fur.

It's a faux fur.

It's very nice.

I love it.

And I'm just staring,

walking through the airport.

And

I'm with Ari.

I'm with my wife.

And I'm like, wow, can you imagine like what an asshole I would be if anybody comes up to me and like and I'm like, hey, no thanks.

Like most people who are like, you know, famous or kind of famous, like they're wearing like all black.

And I'm like in this loud thing.

So obviously

I'm a whore for attention.

And

she's like, oh, that's so funny.

That's so funny.

Let's make a video

of me coming up to you as a fan and you saying that to me.

So that's what that is.

Meanwhile, Leonardo DiCaprio is at Jeff Bezos' wedding in Venice, getting into a boat with the hoodie pulled all the way over his face.

And I'm like, you're at Jeff Bezos' wedding, dude.

You didn't expect there were going to be photographers.

I mean, come on.

I like Leo, but I felt like that was a little bit over the top.

Anyway,

yeah, I mean, I have no idea what it's like to be Leonardo DiCaprio.

So I don't know, you know.

I don't even know what it's like to be Brett Gelman.

So there you go.

I have no idea what it's like to be you, you guy, you know.

Nobody knows.

Nobody knows.

So you gotta remember that.

Filled with love and happiness, and I can go to the

store.

You both are you both glow.

You both glow incredibly.

I love when fans come up to me.

I love what fans come up to me.

Well, we do too.

It's happened twice.

Brett Gelman, thank you very much, my friend.

Thank you guys so much.

So great talking to you.

Talk to you soon.

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Brett Gelman, bringing a little Stranger Things right back to Atlanta where it has always belonged.

Atlanta is truly a place where magical things happen, like Stranger Things.

And I have seen my fair share of sets.

I have not seen Brett Gelman, but I look forward to seeing him in his new spin-off show, Murray, a comedy by Stranger Things.

Wouldn't that be great?

Yes.

Wouldn't that be great?

Make it happen, Netflix.

We need to demand it.

Make it happen.

All right.

All of Brett's prescient information is down in the show notes as it is about all of our guests.

All of their pertinent details right there.

Just open up your podcast player and there will be a hyperlink and you know how it works.

You put your finger on it and you go wherever it tells you to go.

That could be Brett Gelman's book.

That could be Brett Gelman's new Netflix show entitled.

That could be Stranger Things Season 5 that will not be out for another couple months, so don't try and watch it right now.

But maybe the old seasons you can catch up on before Christmas.

Thanksgiving, and New Year's are all taken by Stranger Things.

The entire holiday season taken up by Stranger Things.

But I mean, honestly, it's the right move by Netflix.

Oh, yeah.

It's the right move.

They're going to have billions of views before 2026 even arrives.

Billions of views.

I mean,

I just can't imagine in my own head what it would be like to be part of a cultural phenomenon like Stranger Things.

Maybe someday the commercial break will have the same weight

as Stranger Things.

Aliens take up our show.

Yes.

They

might not have the same.

Probably not.

They're going to go, wow

someone asked for a thousand episodes of this i can't even get through one

however chat tcd seems to think we're on to something that's right chat tcd thinks we're one in a million

oh chat you're my best friend i love you you're so good to me

not he it is our hype hype machine it's our hype machine it's my personal coach it tells me get up in the morning and drink my eat my wheaties and drink my oval teams yes your personal self-health coach yeah

all right so thanks very much to brett for coming on and of course if he's ever here in atlanta he's welcome into the studio yeah we got to have him there yeah that would be cool to have brett here and his wife his wife's pretty entertaining too

actually that might be the thing is get them both on at the same time let them go at it with each other they're pretty entertaining they're one of those couples that you always want to invite to a dinner party because they're always going to make some kind of trouble a good trouble, but some kind of trouble.

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Okay, Chrissy, that's all I can do for now.

I think so.

I'll tell you that I love you.

And I love you.

Best to you.

And best to you out there in the podcast universe.

Until next time, Chrissy, and I will say, we do say, and we must say.

Goodbye.

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