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I'm Brian Greene.

This is my dear friend and the co-host of this show, Chris and Joy Hoadley.

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I say aliens because today, Chrissy, we are aliens in a foreign land, unknown to us.

We have been allowed outside of the four walls of my child's bedroom, my recycled child's bedroom, into the Odyssey studios here in downtown Atlanta.

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Today it's a TCB infomercial Tuesday live from the Odyssey Studios as we welcome in Courtney Michelle, social media influencer, comedian.

Also, she's doing a one-woman comedy show now, Chrissy.

I think she started it in Nashville and now she's taking it a few other places after

a one-show successful run.

And

with a couple of friends, but yes,

she's the mother of the show.

She is.

She's been on social media for a long time, making people laugh it's courtney michelle i think is uh yep it's courtney michelle is her social media handles you can also find all that information in the show notes as we always do i say we don't waste a lot of time here because i'd like to get to as much courtney michelle as possible plus i don't know how long we have before they kick us out of the studio

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All right.

So here's what we're going to do.

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Well, at least the first time ever since actually, this is the first time.

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Oh, Gustavo.

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But he's not

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And Courtney is here with us now.

We are live in the Odyssey Studios.

Thank you, Courtney, for joining us.

Welcome.

Welcome.

Thank you so much for having me.

I have a question because Chrissy and I, we need to know, how do you use social media?

What is, how do, how do you use social media?

Yeah, what is it?

What is it?

How do you do it?

Unhealthily.

Is it an obsession?

I think it's, is it an obsession?

I think it's more of a

defense mechanism and

very unhealthy tactic.

I think it's a place that I go when I need validation or when I need to look at something.

To look at someone hot.

There's a lot of hot people on social media.

It's like a little pool of fishing for hotties.

None of this is good.

None of this is a lot of good.

But you're admitting it.

Like you, I think you have a, you seem self-aware about the reasons why you use social media.

Is this how you started on something?

Like what did it become, like were you obsessive about it at first and that's kind of how it grew?

Or you know what's so funny?

So I started off acting.

Acting was like my baby.

Still do it.

It's still like my number one

honey.

But

but

and back in the day, I don't know if you remember this, back in the day, before like TikTok, there was people would do Instagram videos.

Yes.

But they were, they were of a certain,

they were a very specific thing.

There was like sound effects and it was very big and it was very broad.

And I was like, I will never do that.

And there was, it was kind of, if you were an actor, it was kind of looked down upon like these people who were acting in these little skits, like, ugh, could never be me.

And I don't know when it kind of changed, probably the pandemic.

And people were like, I have so much time.

I have so much time and energy and bravado and desperation.

Where do I put it?

So it just broke that barrier.

But I had always said, like, I'll never do,

I'll never do like social media acting.

Yeah.

It's literally the thing that pays my bills.

And it's just the number one thing that I'm doing now, which is crazy.

So, no, I was never obsessed with it.

And now I am very interested by it.

Is it because you got the feedback?

Like the feedback started happening?

Like you got that gratification, you got the feedback.

Now you have an audience.

Now people are reacting to what you're doing that you start to like just kind of go down that rabbit hole.

You're like, like, okay, now I got to, I'm just going to create.

Like people are reacting to it.

This is something that I can do.

Yeah.

What is like the first big reel that, like, what is the thing that kind of like blew it up for you?

You know, I had, I think that

it's been, it's been slow growth, which people would argue it hasn't, but for me, it feels like slow growth.

When did you first get on social media?

When did you first started doing Instagram reels during the pandemic?

No, I started playing with stuff before the pandemic, like 2019.

I got like a TikTok and started kind of just like judging around and then really committed to it during the pandemic yeah like most people it's the most cliche story same with us starting the podcast there you go exactly so many things burned from this virus um

but yeah i think

um and then what was the question it was just so you started in 2019 but like what's the what's what kind of catches fire for you um it's so funny i did a video I feel like this is always so boring to talk about like I did this one video and I was like but I did do this dumb video this was like before

you could before this is when TikTok was like from musically right so it was kind of all like lip syncing and very little it was either like dancing lip syncing it was dancing lip syncing or like vines was very small and short um and music based and so I did like a lip sync to some song uh

talking I think talking about being a whore I don't remember what the song was I think it was like a Nicki Minaj song about being a hoe and I lip synced to it with some sort of text on top whatever and it got like millions of views this is when it was like really easy to go viral because there weren't a lot of people

creating or people that were already on the platform by default.

And so I got a couple million views and I go, this is the most validation I've got from anything ever.

I can't imagine.

I was like, could I forgive my parents?

So it felt amazing.

And I look back and I think, I honestly.

And I had done a few other ones that also went viral within a few months, right?

And I go, if I didn't have that, I don't even know if I would be doing this because it really

validated that I could do it before everybody else started doing it.

And then once everyone else started doing it, I was like, well, I've, guys, I've been doing this.

Yeah, exactly.

And so I just kept diving into it.

And I think I didn't really catch a stride.

I didn't really start making content that felt authentic to me and my sense of humor and what I like to do until probably like two or three years ago.

And then just from there.

Where do you, so what kind of upbringing did you have?

Oh, you're a little bit of a podcast.

Like from Nashville,

this is a very dramatic podcast.

No, no, no.

I live in Nashville, but I'm from West Virginia originally.

Okay.

What kind of childhood did I have growing up?

What a fantastic question.

Well, as you can see, I'm hilarious, so it was awful.

Yeah.

You come from a long line of funny men.

We go back and back and back.

I grew up

poor, single mom,

just but like loved entertaining people.

And I loved like musical theater and dancing and all those things.

So always a big ham, only child.

Always a big ham, no father figure.

So like really slutty, just like all of the cliches.

And then I went to college in like the same town I grew up in was like, I got to get out of here, went to Miami.

And I had literally gone to spring break in Miami.

I never left West Virginia, really, besides going to like the beach or once or twice.

And I was like, I want to live somewhere else.

And I'd gone to spring break in Miami, and I go, well, that's a place to live.

That's it.

I know that place.

Well, I know that place.

That's the place I know second best.

Exactly.

But truly.

Truly.

At that point.

So I moved to Miami, which was a total job.

Wow, from West Virginia to Miami.

That is completely different.

It's completely different.

Yeah.

It was a different.

Good for you, though, to have the courage to do it.

I think it was stupidity.

I don't know that I was courageous at all.

Yeah, I think youth brings bravado.

It really does.

It's a great adventure.

At my age, at least, a great adventure is like, you know, going to bed after 11:30 at night now, because I know that there are ramifications, but when you're young,

there's a great sense of like, oh my gosh, there's freedom and adventure, and I can go down there and start a new life for myself.

You get to a certain age and you realize it's never that easy, right?

It's never that easy.

And it's never that thing.

Never that easy.

And

it never scratches the itch.

No, and never.

I'm always so itchy.

I had just me too.

So itchy.

Yeah, so itchy.

I had just like gotten dumped by my first real boyfriend in college.

And I think that was like, I romanticized leaving this town, which is so crazy because he also went to Florida.

But I was like, I'm going to like leave and go to Miami.

Yes.

And just like be a brand new person, be like rediscover myself or whatever.

And I mean,

it was.

Definitely a self-discovery because I threw myself into a city that I had no no business being in.

And when I 22, I was the poorest person in that city.

I was driving like a 1998 Saab.

I mean, it was crazy.

I pull up to Valets and they'd be like, You can't be serious.

We actually can't.

You can make $200,000 a year and be the poorest person in Miami.

I mean, honestly, there are parts of Miami that are just dripping in wealth and international wealth.

Not like

U.S.

wealth, like my daddy owns a siding company, it kind of wealth.

It's like, you know, Saudi Arabian Prince kind of wealth.

Yes.

Or Venezuelan

oligarch kind of wealth.

Yes.

Incomprehensible wealth in Miami and like showing it on your hands.

I mean, it was crazy.

But anyways, I moved down there.

Again, super poor.

I was working.

I did marketing for a commercial real estate firm.

I just, and I started doing bottle surfs on the weekends because I really couldn't pay my rent.

What do you have to do?

And

I had met a guy who did background work for like film and TV.

Oh, interesting.

I didn't know that was a thing.

I thought that those those were just like people that were that were there.

And he gave me his like agents information for this thing and I started acting and I think, thank God, because like I don't know what path I was going down in Miami.

It was not a great one.

But I was like, oh, I think I love this thing.

This reminds me of like

the

musical theater and the

dancing and the bands that I started with my friends growing up,

but as an industry.

And And that's really cool.

I feel the same way, but we're at a job, which is wild.

And I fell in love with just the entertainment industry.

And then I moved to LA and did LA for six years and then went to Nashville during the pandemic.

And that's kind of when like the social media part of it kicked in.

You were acting in LA?

I was acting in LA, correct.

Did you get it?

Like, can you tell, is there any specific things that we could find you in?

Absolutely not.

No, really.

You were just like a background actor.

LA has such a fucking hard time at the town.

I've only spent time there briefly, right?

But it feels very transactional to me in so many ways, like Miami, but in a different way, right?

And I think it's very, it's a very hard town to be in if you're a creator.

I don't know, but I have people that I know the people that live there, and you can either make it or most people break it, right?

It's just a very difficult town to be in.

It is.

I love L.A.

I

miss it all the time.

I think what I loved about LA is that everybody is chasing a dream and that is such a contagious energy.

I think inherently in that dynamic, there will be people who are so desperate for their dream that they aren't able to make authentic relationships.

They aren't able to like have a conversation with you that doesn't involve that.

It takes up all of their space, their brain power.

Where Miami was about money and wealth and

power.

LA was similar, but it was more about how can you make my dreams come true.

It was aspirational and transactional at the same time.

It was a two-for-one.

It was a two-for-one.

It's like one big networking meeting, I feel like, in LA.

When I've spent time there, like with people who live there, right?

It feels like one big networking meeting.

It's always an opportunity to do the next thing.

Well, in Nashville, it can actually be the same way, too, for the music industry.

I lived in Nashville for five years and not for music, but I saw a lot of that same type of thing with the LA and acting.

Nashville was for music.

Yeah.

I think that's why I like Nashville.

I'm like, okay, being there.

Yeah.

Because Because again, I do kind of miss, while it's annoying to go to a party, every party in LA, you start off by being introduced as to what you have to offer.

It's always like, this is Cassie.

And she,

she was just

a line producer of the newest, greatest ABC fluff.

Or she's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, daughter.

Or she's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, agent, or she knows blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, agent.

So it's always like, that's how you're introduced,

which is crazy.

And I hate it.

And I shouldn't say everyone, it's just like it happens so much that it becomes a shtick in itself.

But I just do love that everybody is, there's so much passion that it kind of, again, it's contagious.

And there's so much

charisma in a place.

It's infectious.

It is kind of infectious.

And I feel like my ability to like banter with people, my ability to just like talk about.

a little bit more deeper things did tend to happen in in LA because people were in the arts.

But what I do love also about Nashville is because of the music, it is also a dreamer city.

So there is that energy.

And while it's not my dream, it's still a contagious energy as well.

So I've found,

I've found, and that's like a huge entertainment industry coming to Nashville.

I shouldn't say huge.

There's like you bigger than you would, than you would think.

It's having a moment.

There's something there.

It's having a moment.

It's having a moment.

And it has been for like the last 10 years, but it feels like that.

Yeah, well, the show Nashville was pretty big and bringing a lot of that to that town.

I don't know, to me, at least on an outsider looking in, it feels like it's reached a fevered pitch around Nashville.

Everybody has a bar there.

Yeah, Jack Wyatt.

Kid Rock.

Everybody's got something going on in Nashville, which up until 10 years ago was a relatively small town, like a tertiary city that people knew about because there's always been music, country music there.

But now it's very cosmopolitan.

It's a cosmopolitan in a weird way.

It's a lot.

Yeah, yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

Which I appreciate for the goods.

And I appreciate for the cool scene.

It's got a lot going on.

Not the traffic, but besides that,

it's been lovely.

You have a Kid Rock there.

You have a Kid Rock restaurant there.

We have a lucky.

How lucky are you?

I would say other things make me laugh

at that.

It is funny how

not incestuous, maybe like and slurry it becomes because I was talking to my friend.

I did like a

commercial with this like country music artist.

And I was talking to my friend yesterday here about it.

And he was like, who is that?

And I go, oh, that's right.

Like people outside of Nashville don't maybe know country music the the way that I do because I've lived there for five years now.

Right, right.

And it becomes kind of your,

it's the industry.

So it kind of becomes, you put these people on pedestals just by proxy, which is so fascinating.

Yeah, it really is.

So in the three minutes that I've known you, I've already dissected your entire life.

Tommy, fix me.

I get the sense that single mother, no father figure around, you

found some solace and probably some validation and some gratification in being kind of the center of attention in a creative way.

And that just came to you easily.

Like, is that true?

It's like, you know, I liked being the ham and hamming it up and

having that kind of being able to create and have people pay attention to it, getting some feedback around that felt good to you for me too.

Right.

Yeah.

For me too.

So this is, I'm speaking one to another.

There is a hole in my soul, which I fill with the laughter around me or the laughter that I create or the things that I create.

I find great comfort in that.

And I think it's a gift and a curse at the same time sometimes.

And I traveled to great lengths in my head and outside my head to fill that hole in a lot of ways.

But not everybody is funny at the same time.

And you're funny.

Like a lot of people are that way, but they're just not funny.

They just seem, they come off corny and kind of

weird.

Like they're pining for your attention, right?

Meaty almost.

But you're not that way.

You have a thing.

You've got a thing and people resonate with that.

Doesn't that feel good to you?

Like, it feels fucking amazing.

Oh, yeah, and you're making money.

You're making it.

You're making money from it.

Yeah.

It feels incredible.

It feels good when I let it feel good.

You know, it feels good when

I'm not comparing it to what someone else has or what I should have or whatever, right?

Like, I can see that.

That's when it gets murky.

But, but, yes, to answer your question, yes, I was looking.

Well, and it's all the things, you know, to get into my memoir.

Yet you're doing it right here on the commercial break.

We're breaking news.

Memoir scoop.

Yeah.

But I think, yeah, it was, again, dad

wasn't around, and then mom was like always like looking for love.

So she was always like dating new guys and blah, blah, blah.

And she was a great mom.

She crushed it.

But I think I was just like always looking for attention.

So we have that built in.

I was

kind of like the weird friend, I think by default, because I didn't have, we didn't have a lot of money in a town that had a lot of money.

So I felt kind of like I was wearing weird clothes and I didn't have like the things that other kids had.

So weird by default.

I had a lot, my friends were all very hot too.

And I like took a little bit.

So all of those things kind of grew into it.

I grew into all of the things.

But I think

I think all that kind of equated into

me trying to find something else besides looking cool, being cute,

having the right like cheerleading moves or whatever.

Yeah.

And it was entertaining.

So I would be like the goofy, the funny friend who was like, when I was little, it was like, you know, shticks.

It was like falling or like playing dumb.

Or, I mean, it was early 2000s.

So I was like,

I'll be the dumb blonde.

That was the hit thing back then.

And then I think as I got older, it migrated into

comedy that I'm more familiar with now, which was like jokes and like telling stories and like the idea of being with a bunch of people and holding court about a story that I went through.

And that really started feeling very fulfilling.

And then I was able to, you know, transition it into like some semblance of a career.

Well, because now you're, you've taken that kind of on the road too, right?

By doing some shows.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're doing live shows.

Yeah, we're doing a live show, which is, I still like struggle to even define what it is.

Yeah,

explain because

I couldn't find much, right?

There was some, you have some reels and stuff like that, but I couldn't find much.

But explain

how do you transition from funny person being able

on the the internet, multiple takes, edits, cuts, and all that stuff, to then doing it live.

That's a brave thing to do.

Again, probably stupid more than anything.

I don't know.

Again, I don't feel good.

I feel like I'm just like falling and flailing.

But

I think this show, which, again,

we've done a great job marketing it since no one knows what it is, I guess.

But it's a live show.

It's basically a...

a bunch of different sketches that kind of tell one story about girlhood.

Okay.

And what I wanted to do was, I feel like a lot of the videos that I do online are geared towards all people, but specifically, like

I kind of make videos for like what I would want to see.

Sure.

And so what me as a woman of a certain age

would want to see and what she relates to, and whether it's like people that annoy you, whether it's like situations that are embarrassing or whatever.

But it's almost like kind of me being a woman and what that looks like that I was like, how do I do that about a trajectory?

Like, how can I talk about myself more and in a different vehicle and make people even more obsessed with me and be even more narcissistic?

Let's try it.

Let's try doing it live.

Fuck it, we'll do it live.

Fuck it, we're doing it live.

And that's what we did.

So, we did, I've been writing it for, I started writing it like last spring with my friend Ollie and

kind of like using him as a backboard, like constantly, like, is this funny?

Is this relatable?

Is this stupid?

And then wrote this

show

about girlhood.

And it's, again, it's a bunch of different sketches and there's like music in it and there's like videos in it, but it's not really any characters that I do online.

It's all different stuff.

Yeah.

But like it, it's very funny and goofy and light, but it also like tackles.

my relationship with my mom and my relationship with like dating and my relationship to like girlfriends and all that stuff and in a very light fun right millennial very millennial way it's very like nostalgic is your relationship i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna put a pin there and i'm gonna ask you another question about doing stuff live is your relationship with your mother complicated i mean all relationship with motherfucker

yeah but is it like if you are you guys good friends it's so funny she just came and stayed with me for three weeks so i am i am fresh off of that

um

yeah she's

i think growing up,

you know, my mom didn't have a great mother figure growing up either.

Yeah, so she was kind of figuring out as she went.

Most people are, yeah, but exactly.

There's no rule, yeah, there's no rule book.

Motherhood parenting is there's no rule book, and you're literally feeling it out minute by minute, yeah.

And, and, and,

you know, she definitely did the best she could, and she had some great moments in there, some rock star moments.

Um, and I put her through it some moments as well.

So, always give her kudos for that.

And I think now getting older, I feel like we go through these like phases with our parents.

They're like, you know, your mother.

And then you start seeing flaws and you start resenting them and you start blaming them for everything.

And now I'm in this phase of seeing her as a person.

And

you relate?

One of the one of the most wise things that I ever read, I had a complicated relationship with both of my parents.

And my mother was mentally ill.

My father was emotionally unavailable like a lot of fathers of people my age were because they just grew up with World War II fathers or Vietnam or Korean war fathers who were a different breed.

Yeah.

Different, there was no PTSD.

They just stoically, silently, and sometimes violently took it.

Right.

And then they taught, they sent that on to their children.

And so there's this softening of parenting going on as you, as I think as you go through time in some cultures.

Yeah.

But one of the wisest things that I read as I was trying to reconcile with my own

childhood was a guy named Ram Das who wrote that

the most important thing that a child can ever do is recognize that the words mother and father are simply words.

They aren't, there's no meaning behind that.

They're words.

They are human.

They are flawed.

They are violent and ugly and loving and they are as complicated as you are.

They are not here to save you.

They are not here to be you.

They are not here to tell you what to do.

They are just people.

You were born to them and hopefully they will give you some good guidance along the way, but not everybody gets that.

And so, that was like a very powerful moment when I let go of the word mom and dad, because then I could look at them for who they were, loving people who did the best they could in the circumstances that they had and the information that they had in that moment, which could have just been shitty information.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, it's not all, you know, we all are human.

We know it's kind of like a complicated thing.

So, when you say that, I recognize that.

I hear what you're saying.

That's a powerful thing to do.

I think, because I'm single and I've been,

I think a lot on dating and how I've come to the conclusion for a while now that I tend to fall for the idea of someone, right?

And it's these expectations that get built up and then let down.

And it's like, I'm doing all of it.

Right.

Like, there's some

shitty people, and I've been in shitty relationships, or I've met shitty people,

but a lot of it is the onus falls on me of building up an expectation for something that doesn't even exist or a person that doesn't exist.

And I think

you have to come in a test.

As gross as it feels,

so difficult.

It sucks.

But I think it's the same thing with,

I think the strife that I feel towards my parents comes from the same beast.

I think if I really look at all of the resentment or ill feelings that I have towards either of my parents, the large majority, I could sit here and I can name, well, she did this and he did this, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But I think ultimately it's the expectation of what I think a mother should be and expectation of what I think a father should be and how they've let me down.

When really I've fallen in love with a person that never existed.

And I think that has been a huge thing for me as I've gotten older.

I'm like in my 30s.

I shouldn't need, I shouldn't need my mother and father to love, to like show their love for me or to like take care of me me or to to to validate me in any way

and one side of that is there i think there always is a tether yes mother and father is they're just words yeah but there also is like a weird tether that you're inner child no matter what always looking for mom and dad

will always be there i think recognizing that that's maybe where something is coming from and then is this a reasonable expectation of a person whose story you know yeah and who is actually like i had to forgive we're getting sodium i know i am like this is so deep this is crazy

but I had to like forgive my father a long time ago after learning about his childhood and I was like homeboy isn't capable of loving me in the way that some people are and I'm like okay we gotta let him go yeah

and that's huge yeah you know

expectations we sow the seed of our own disappointment with expectations right that's just it but it's really hard not to do that and also when it comes to our mother and father we can let the words go but the inner child always still needs mommy and daddy and I think will till the day that we die, we always need mommy and daddy.

It's just the way that it is.

And we look for that in the people and the things around us.

And we look for that in the validation on social media or with your spouse or with your loved one or whoever it is.

Okay.

Let's lighten it up for a little bit.

Oh, okay, sure.

We'll go back and forth.

We'll oscillate in the comments.

You don't want to do more trauma?

Oh, we're going to do more trauma.

I'm keeping you here for three hours.

Yeah.

This is a therapy session that your mom ordered.

It's not a podcast.

Great.

I honestly wouldn't put a pastor in my big grip.

Is Is it, do you find that doing live shows are more or less interesting to you than doing creating on how many have you done so far?

How many are in the back?

For this show that we're touring with, one.

Okay.

I only done one show in Nashville.

At Zane's.

I saw that.

Yes, I saw that it was sold out too.

That's great.

I mean, a lot of it was just like friends and

the promoter doesn't care.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Okay.

But yes, we did one show just to kind of try it out.

And we're like, if this goes well, then maybe we'll see what we're doing.

Take it all over and do with it.

Yeah.

And

I will answer your question, but I will also say that I left that show.

Because, again, this became my baby.

Like, not only is it something that I wrote from scratch, that

I like.

brought these lovely, like some of my favorite human beings are also involved in this.

It's me and two other people who kind of like played characters around me.

Then we have like an incredible piano player.

And I like brought these people into this like thing to try to like

like milk what I know they can give.

And it just, it just felt like I just was, it was so precious to me.

Interesting.

And we did the show.

Well, first I'll say we did a rehearsal of the show for a few people.

And it was okay, but there was like very little laughing.

And then we were hurt, we did a tech rehearsal

like right before the show.

And I was kind kind of like watching the people out in the audience to see if I could get any, no, not even, not even a huff of air off the hose.

Oh, no.

And I go, all right, this is going to, this is going to be awful.

This is going to be awful.

I'm going to embarrass myself in front of everyone that I know.

And so then we did the show and there were more laughs than I could have eaten.

They were laughing at jokes that I was like, I didn't realize that was a joke, but it's so often.

And just like the voice applause, man, people were crying.

People had such great compliments about it.

I think it just, it's a, it's an

energy thing.

I think it just is

alive.

You just need a lot of people.

Yeah.

Like you need the energy of the crowd around you in order to feel safe, giggling and laughing.

So I left that show.

I remember walking off stage, like feeling that I've never felt before, which is, cause again, I've done stage stuff, but this is my baby.

So it felt very vulnerable.

And I was like, okay, I'm going to either throw up or cry

or potentially shit my pants.

Like there's a lot of stuff happening in my stomach.

But I couldn't stop like smile.

I was just like laughing for no reason.

It was the most euphoric, crazy feeling having like immediately walking off that stage that I was like, oh fuck.

Like this is the thing.

I think this is the thing that's right.

Wonderful.

End up doing a lot of.

And so, yeah.

And so the second we had a chance to tour with it, I was like, wow, this is, we have to.

We

have said this a lot.

I've been saying this probably since we started podcasting: is that podcasting is kind of a lonely venture in some ways.

I mean, I'm lucky to have Chrissy in the room with me, right?

If she wasn't there, I don't know.

I mean, I'd just be talking to myself, and that's probably no one wants to hear that.

My wife's made me start the podcast, so I stopped talking to her.

But

it's a lonely venture because there's no instant feedback.

There's like no reaction.

If people react, it's like I'll record and then three days later when it publishes, somebody might text us or email us, oh, great show, or whatever.

There's no instant feedback.

And while that feedback is great, it's not instant.

There's no reaction besides what's going on in the room.

So, you know, we've had people come to us and oh, do the show, do it live.

And we actually had plans to do a live show and then I got sick and I had to have surgery.

But that's beside the point, like my greatest fear was what you said about the first two versions of that is that we're going to get up and we're going to do this show.

And all the places where we think there's going to be laughs, it's literally going to be dead silence and it's just going to be an embarrassment of our creation.

And I don't know if I want to hear my baby get shit on, right?

Because this is my baby.

I think it would probably be more the latter is that we'd get the laughs or we expect the laughs.

And then at the end of the night, we'd feel really good about that.

But it takes an immense amount of huge testicles to get up when you're normally, you know, putting a phone in front of you by yourself.

And then to create something, whole cloth, that, and you're not a stand-up comedian.

You've never done this before.

You're not used to working a room and doing all that.

And And then to get up and do that,

that takes into a lot of kiones.

And so I applaud you for that.

Just the fact that you got on stage in front of a crowd, even if they were your home team, right?

Just the fact that you got up there.

Yeah.

It says a lot about your willingness to

believe in your crowd.

And the crown probably helped too, you know, with some of that.

Yeah, I think having, like, again, it's been a while since I've done stage stuff, but it's always kind of like lingered there.

And I did, again, when I was a kid, and I, to prepare for the show I actually did a bunch of stand-up I really enjoy I've done I've you went to open mics and did stand-up yeah I did a few open mic shows

and a few show shows like just like technical shows yeah um to really prep for it and I just love stand-up I think the difference with stand-up is it's so expect it's like it's really hard for me to overcome that expectation yeah of okay if if you don't laugh there's no other reason for you to be here yeah right at least I feel like with our live show it's more acting so there's like a performance, there's like a takeaway.

There's a story to tell.

And I feel like for a podcast, laughing isn't the only

expectation of it.

I think it's also just like getting to know someone or like feeling related to or whatever it may be.

I think, first of all, I think you should do it.

I think you guys will crush it.

Well, thank you very much.

We will do it.

We're going to get it.

We're going to give it a bit.

We're going to get back to it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's, but taking what you do here improv, right?

Yeah.

Which is,

I mean, I imagine when you do social media, I don't know what your process is, but I imagine I have a seed of an idea.

I find, I observationally, I find something funny.

Yeah.

And then you have a format, right?

I've watched a lot of your reels and you have kind of a format, right?

So hi, I'm, my name is Courtney, and this is, I'm, this is my impression of, right, or whatever it happens.

Yeah.

We don't have a format necessarily.

We just get on here and start spitting shit and hoping that it's funny.

And sometimes it is and sometimes it's not.

But

taking that and putting that into something like malleable, like that has a like thematically make sense was really difficult.

And we did figure it out.

We eventually figured out something, but we'll get, we'll get back to it.

Still nerve-wracking to get up on stage.

When you were doing stand-up, did you like it?

Yeah, I mean, I blacked out every time.

It was so, it was so

nerve-wracking.

Yeah, I have really bad performance anxiety.

So it, that whole part of it

was, I still, like, I had a show

two weeks ago.

Yeah.

And

just getting up, it was like there was like 20 people there because I was an opener for, so

people are like trickling in very slowly.

Yeah.

But still I was like, oh my gosh,

I can only imagine.

And then, I don't know, I think you go into like autopilot or something.

The first laugh, the first joke that hits or the first thing that hits, whatever it may be, really carries you.

It's really, yeah.

It really carries you.

It breaks the ice.

And I feel really bad for people who

like, it takes them a second to get to that first joke because you're just kind of like floundering.

Right.

And I'm sure it happens all the time with stand-up or comedians in general.

My wife and I once saw Pete Davidson at like the, he was breaking in new material.

So he's in a club, probably a little bit bigger than this.

And I'm not shitting you.

It's tiny.

And he's got three comedians that come on in front.

Right.

And I don't know any of them.

But the first guy who comes on, the crowd is just not with him.

They like from, there's a lot of chatter going on in the room and everyone's trying.

He's trying to settle everybody down a little bit.

But it was the 15 minutes of the most unimpressive comedy I've ever seen.

He just started insulting people after a while and that kind of got some laugh.

Like he went to insult, right?

And some people laughed about it.

But honestly, there were very few laughs.

And I felt terrible for the guy

because I was like, you're not very funny.

You're not being very funny.

Yeah.

But still, it's got to be terrible to be up on stage and no one's fucking laughing at you.

And this is your job.

Your only job is to make people laugh.

And you haven't gotten one.

It's got to feel awful.

Conversely,

when you're hot and you get the crowd growing, that's got to feel amazing.

That's got to be something that really just

puts fuel in your tank.

Yeah, I'm very lucky.

I haven't done enough to ever, I haven't bombed yet.

Yeah.

Hopefully none of these live shows will, but you never know.

They could.

Part of the experience.

Part of the experience.

Part of the experience.

You're not going to learn unless you bomb, right?

It really is.

So, but yeah, I can't, I mean, I can't even imagine like getting up there and not, I'm such a people pleaser again that I'd be like, oh my God, I'm not giving you what you want on top of like me feeling like shit.

I'm not giving you what you want.

You feel like shit.

I'm so sorry.

Do you?

What do you remember being funny as a kid?

Like, what's the first thing you remember being funny as a kid?

Television show, movie,

weird Ali Yankovic.

I don't know.

I'd like to ask this of people.

That's a great question.

I hate to say that's a great question too, but that is a great question.

What do I remember?

And sometimes it's hard to think of like, yeah, the like uncle making a joke.

I mean, I don't know.

Like, you know, I'd like to find out what, what gets, what do people remember lighting that fire for comedy, right?

Oh my God, that's funny.

I admire that.

I wish I could do that.

You know, it's funny.

Someone, I had an interview last week and they asked me, like, who are my like early comedy mentors?

And I was like, I mean, I didn't, like, we didn't watch stand-up in my house.

I didn't really know what stand-up was until we got older.

Like, we didn't watch SNL.

We would watch ABC sitcoms.

And my mom loved Reba, you know, or like

those, those kind of shows or King of the Hills got the one.

King of Queens.

King of Queens, yeah.

Like those shows that we watched like during dinner or whatever.

And that was our, that was our comedy.

Sure.

And I think as I got older,

even actually when I was, when I was young, I think I was really drawn to the

person in the room who was commanding the room and had control over the people of the room with comedy yeah like their ability to like the ease mainly ease the tension sure in the room like it just felt like such a superpower yeah to be able to have the right timing to make

to make someone laugh at a funeral yeah or to

you know when we're all sitting around eating dinner just to like

add that reprieve for a moment, especially if something's heavy or whatever.

Yeah, it helps.

Those people in my life growing up, and sometimes it was like kids in school, like like even like kids my own age who were just really funny.

I can like think of a few in my head of just like some boys and girls who were just like, they had that cadence and they made me feel good.

And I was like, that's what I want.

Yeah.

So it was more real people in my life that I could viscerally feel that feeling from them than like, you know, any kind of like George Carlin.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

It was more, it was more what I was experiencing than what I was seeing.

And then as I got older, I started really appreciating more comedy.

And I'm just now like learning about older comedians and appreciating older comedians and trying to like watch more stand-up because it wasn't a part of my experience for a while.

We watched a lot of SNL.

My dad was a big fan of SNL and he was

remarkably into MTV when it came out.

So there was like, you know, occasionally there would be like a comedian who would be on MTV as a guest VJ or whatever, and you would see them do a couple minutes of material.

And I remember getting into stand-up comedy, and you are probably too young for this, but we remember when Comedy Central first came on, it was clips of stand-up comedians doing a bit.

So, like two or three minutes, like set up punchline, set up punchline.

Like a video, like MTV used to play videos back to back to back.

No commercials, stand-up, stand-up, stand-up, stand-up

for days on end.

No commercials.

That was it.

They were just putting stand-ups, stand-up comedians, not doing full shows, doing just one joke.

And they would just run it and they would put their name at the the bottom with the name of the name of the joke.

Like I, you know, whoever, Kevin Nealon talks about a cat or whatever it was.

And I remember looking at that, thinking that that's a very, I'm laughing at this and it's, and my daddy's too.

It's a very noble thing that they're doing.

They're getting up there and making a whole bunch of people laugh.

Yeah.

It's the first time I remember thinking that comedy.

stand-up comedy specifically was a noble profession.

They were giving a gift to people.

Like, you know, even at my young age, I remember thinking, wow, those, you know, you're taking a break there.

You're getting a, you're getting relief from whatever it is that's going on in your life.

So I think it's very noble.

And now I think social media is just another way to convey this kind of nobility, this gift.

And a lot of people do it poorly.

I think you're doing it very well.

A lot of people do it poorly.

I mean, sometimes I do it poorly, too.

Well, I mean, yeah, but you put out so much content.

There's going to be a few sneakers.

Yeah, we're the same.

Not every show is like no.

900 shows.

Yeah.

Nine of the shows I think are probably listenable out of the 900.

We're 1%.

Yeah,

that's a great ratio.

Do you have trouble with any followers on social media when you have this big of a follow?

That's a good question.

Do I have trouble with followers?

Do you have any trouble with followers?

One that you want to discuss.

People just being like

stalkers, weirdos, people being mean.

I'm not sure there are people being mean.

I'm sure you have people that come out of the woodwork and just say stupid shit.

I can imagine his name is Bob.

He's 50% of the time.

Do you read the comments?

Do you you read the comments?

I guess.

Yeah, I kind of, it kind of depends on where I'm at.

Yeah.

I tried not to do my DMs because every time I do, I'm doing it for validation and then it feels empty.

So I'm like, let's just not do it.

Unless I'm asking for feedback on something.

Sure.

Like when we were like pitching the shows, I was like, where should we go?

I will read those DMs.

Or if I'm talking about something that's really

important to me that I'm going through, like I went off birth control and I post a lot about that just to kind of see what other people are doing for these symptoms or whatever.

But besides that,

I try to

see

like within the first like hour or two of posting, I can kind of tell from the comments whether or not something is

relatable or whether some people are just like, oh, it's a fine video.

Like they're just like, oh, this is funny because it's, cause it's supposed to be funny.

It's funny because it's supposed to be funny and because you put it up there and cause I like you.

Yes.

Yeah.

And then, but I can, like, if there's like people will like quote certain things or I'll take note of what they're relating to and

where they're at.

Like, sometimes a lot of the characters that I do, quote unquote, I'm using air quotes.

Um, a lot of the characters that I do are

like, you can either be, they can be perceived as

you can either relate to them or you can hate them.

Yes.

And it's, I'm, I always find it so curious how many people, like the ratio of people who hate this person versus the ratio of people who are this person or who feel like this is a very relatable thing versus like they hate when this thing happens.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think that's just like a fascinating human psyche thing.

It is.

Yeah.

And moving forward, I try to make it even more ambiguous because the more people, because if I, if I make it seem like it's more relatable, then the people who hate the person aren't going to get anything from it or whatever.

So

I don't really have issues with followers.

I don't think I'm like, I don't think I'm like famous enough.

I like, you see like famous people get it all the time.

I'm like,

I wish I had had that.

I know.

I'm like, feel free to like start hate campaigning.

I wish I had one stalker.

Cause if I had one stalker, just one, then just one guy at my door.

That would be your validation, Brian.

We have weird people that are contacting us.

But I go, does this qualify as like fame or does this just qualify as like a couple of the girls that I dated in high school?

Sure,

you know what I'm saying?

Is it just math at that point?

Well, there's going to be at least a few.

It doesn't matter.

I could be anybody and they would be that crazy.

Are they crazy about Brian and Chrissy?

Are they just crazy in general?

I'm waiting for that TCB stalker.

That's what I want.

Oh, there you go.

Yeah.

There you go.

But here's what's interesting: you know, we get pitched a lot of people.

Hey, come on, you know, come on the show, come on, come on, the show.

One of the things that we do that Astrid often will do is you go to someone's social media and you see who follows them.

Like,

who of our guests or the people that we enjoy follow them?

And you have a lot of people, famous people, that follow you.

Yes, that's correct.

Who?

Name them.

I don't know.

Astrid, who are they?

Hannah Burton.

Oh, we love Hannah.

Yeah, we love Hannah.

Hannah was one of our first interviews.

Oh, really?

Yeah, I think she would never agree to do it a second time.

Oh, she was great.

She loves it.

Her husband

has been on our show a couple of times, too.

Gian Marco Sorosi, I think, follows you too, if I'm not mistaken.

Heather McMahon, maybe, fathers you.

She goes, no, no.

Oh, no.

Oh, I'm sorry.

You can talk.

Feel free.

Go ahead.

I'll

repeat what you're saying.

If what you're saying makes me look good, I'll repeat it.

I noticed the same thing with quite a lot of my friends who followed you.

So there you go.

That's the nicest.

That's so nice.

Well, I think it's a compliment.

And then you say, well, this person is interesting to the people that we know and the people we've had on the show.

So they're interesting to us.

They must be interesting to us.

And they weren't wrong, by the way.

I got to watch who I follow then, I guess.

It is funny, like, how that becomes a little bit of a...

like a stamp of approval too.

Yes.

Like this person.

Yes.

We don't have a ton of followers, but the followers, but some of the people that follow us, I think, feel good to me.

Like the people who come on our show and we like and we have a good time with, they say they, it's like a, it's, I don't want to say it is some sort of validation, but then it's also like a little bit of social credit.

Like, hey, I liked you.

I'm going to follow you and see what you're up to.

Yeah.

Um, you know, down the road.

Now, question about your one of your social media posts.

Oh, no.

I am one of the guys who does that whole Theo von Bro pose when you

pop out the two fingers, the single finger.

I don't know what I do, I do, but I do something stupid with my hands, I put them in my pocket.

Oh, yeah, right.

Why do we do that?

Um, because you're insecure about what to do with your hands, yeah, because I'm insecure in general about taking photographs.

I think that's what I mean, but we, but girls do like we'll do a squat or we'll do like a handle,

yeah, yeah.

No one can take a photo without

thinking about it, otherwise, they're just sitting, they're just

limp and sitting there, yeah,

From the age of, let's say, 18

to maybe 26 or 27, I think there might be three known photographs of me.

I avoided at all costs

any photographs.

And that's not even a joke.

I do have some unlike

I have some disposable cameras that I haven't gotten,

you know, taken to the film place yet, but and I'm sure there's some photographs in there.

But I didn't, I think I missed that generation of people who had phones directly you know cameras directly in their hands at all times where a lot of the people i know are so used to taking photographs all the time the selfies and all that so i feel very uncomfortable when someone even after all the photographs that have been taken for the commercial break i still feel uncomfortable about it doesn't make me feel

well are you uncomfortable about the photo or are you when you're taking the photo thinking about how this is going to be perceived like because me i i jump immediately to like okay if my worst enemy saw this would they have something to actually make fun of yeah it's very subconscious Yeah.

But I feel like that's what permeates whenever you're doing anything.

It also feels so, like taking a photo of yourself, having someone take a photo of you.

It's so weird.

It feels so self-indulgent.

Yes.

It's literally how we tell time.

It's been since the dawn of eras.

We've been

taking note of the things that we do in some way, shape, or form.

This is our versus our society's version of just like chronicling.

But we are so ashamed of it.

I know.

It's so fascinating.

It's so weird.

Yeah, you're right about that.

Like people are putting like pictures of themselves on, you know, the caves and the cavemans.

And it's a way of denoting that moment in time, our age, our moment, our history.

We're essentially,

and now we can chronicle every moment of our lives.

And I once heard a Buddhist monk say, there's no yesterday.

There's no tomorrow.

It's this, and that's it.

You get one day, right?

That's it.

Forget about that.

Forget about this.

It's all, it's all this.

Sounds nice in theory, but we're human.

Like, I'm not a Buddhist monk.

I'm a dude, right?

For them, there's only today.

Yeah, for them, there's only today because

run down and grab some grains of rice and hand it to your neighbor.

But for me, I got to take fucking photographs for the podcast.

It just makes me feel so uncomfortable.

But that was an absolutely relatable post because I see every one of the guys on my Instagram, I see them all making that stupid same fucking pose.

And I'm like, she's so right about that.

Guys don't know what to do with themselves when it comes to a photograph.

We just don't.

Nobody does.

But I think it's, I think it's, I, I don't, I think we're better about this, but I think, especially, especially when I was growing up, and I'm sure when you guys were, like, it is, it does feel

taking a photo feels vain.

It feels vapid.

It shouldn't.

Again, we're, we have to, like, it really cements like a time,

but it just feels vapid no matter what.

But I think for some reason, like, women in society were almost given permission to feel a little more

self-conscious.

No, no, no, to feel a little vanity.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I think we're given, and I think for men, they're given less rope to feel that vanity.

And so I think it probably compounds when you're taking a photo and you're like, all right, how do I make this seem like the most casual?

I don't give a shit.

I'm just going to do this thing with my hands as opposed to making it look like I care by posing.

Yeah.

Or I think women get away with it.

It's all, we all have the same insecurity.

Sometimes I wish I could tap into my little bit of my gay and like pop out a hip.

You know what I'm saying?

Tap in your gay pop out a a hip.

And just get, if I could tap into a little bit more of my gay, then I think I'd be better practicing.

Just practice.

If we could all tap into a little bit of a little bit more of our gay.

Yeah, I think I'd be happier.

Listen.

What?

So now where are you going to go with the show?

What's the next?

You're here in Atlanta coming up, right?

Coming to Atlanta.

City Winery.

I think this will come up before.

When will this come out?

In a couple of weeks.

Okay.

Great.

Yeah.

September for the City Winery?

Yeah, they were doing September.

Yep, City Winery.

Let's see the value.

Congratulations.

That's a great venue.

That's a great venue.

I know it's right down the street from where I live.

I just saw it yesterday.

And it's a gorgeous venue.

I'm a little scared to fill it up.

It's big.

It's big.

We'll come.

We'll come back.

There's a ton of people.

Yeah.

And there's a ton of people in that area.

That's a great new area with

if it's at the city winery.

Some people are just going to show up because it's the city winery.

That's what I'm thinking.

Yeah, we'll come for sure.

Okay.

Oh my God.

I love that.

But yeah, so we're doing another show in Nashville, Atlanta,

and then Chicago.

We'll do Chicago and then Atlanta, Austin, LA, and then hoping to do maybe one or two other shows like later in the year.

Fantastic.

It's a delay tour, but yeah, no, but those are some big markets, though.

This is where it starts.

Yes, like, you know,

the,

you know, burner phones of the world and all that, you know, all that stuff.

They started somewhere too in these small venues just doing that.

And look now, you know, I don't know, Madison Square Garden, where is she playing?

I'm not even sure.

Hannah's

truly amazing, but this is how it all starts.

And if you can prove that you can fill some seats, then the promoter goes to the next level, right?

Yes.

And that's it.

And you have the social media following to fill some of these places.

There's no doubt about it.

I mean, that's the scary part about the promoters, though.

You know, they come to you.

I don't know if you're, if you're working with a promoter, I'm assuming.

My manager does it all.

Okay.

So anyway, the promoter comes to you and he says, hey, listen, here's five venues.

Go see if you can sell tickets.

And if you can sell tickets, then we'll be happy to give you a check check and you know you move on to the next one or whatever your deal is but that's the scary part about it is you look at the numbers on your podcast or on your social media and you go oh yeah I could definitely do that.

But can I do that in one city on that particular night?

Yep.

It's a different question altogether, right?

And will people, and will people even want to, like, do people see me in a way that they're like, I want to see what she has to say in person?

Right.

Or are they like, no, she stays in my little square and she feels safe there.

And I'm hoping, I'm hoping that that's not the case.

Yeah, it can be like I want to at least see what it is.

Right, right.

And I think this show,

I didn't want to do like sketches from the internet in my live show.

A lot of people do that.

And that's great for them.

And I think it's a great like one-to-one.

People know exactly what they're getting.

This is not any characters I've done online.

This is not anything really familiar to that.

It's the same sense of humor with me.

Yeah.

And it's supposed to be relatable, hopefully.

But I wanted to give something that was more and different in my brain, more and different than what people have seen before, so that I have the thing that I do online.

I have who I am in this little box, and then I have this other thing that I have in front of you, and I'm giving in two separate ways.

I think that's a great strategy.

I think that's the smartest strategy because if you're doing the same thing you're doing online, the next time they come into town, they're going to go, I can just look at our social media.

Right.

What's the reason?

What's the reason to get out?

Yeah.

But if you show range, right?

I'm sure as an actor, it's always about range, range.

If you show range and they say, oh, I got something completely unexpected, which was the same thing we ran into when we were doing our live shows.

Do we give them what they're used to, which is an hour of the commercial break, brand new, or do we give them something completely different or mix the two together?

Yeah.

And so.

I mean, make it familiar enough that

they know what they're doing.

But then I think it's a very smart idea to do something different because then you have legs and you can run with it the next time.

People will go,

I didn't get what I expected and I liked it.

And so now I'm going to go to the next one.

Yes.

So that's

so smart.

So great.

We really, this is our first live in-person interview with someone that we don't know.

Let's put it that way.

Okay, great.

I think you have been wonderful.

Yes.

Thank you for our time.

I think you get an A plus.

Guys, this was lovely.

I think you'll get an invite back.

This is lovely.

I'm glad this all worked out, that you got to come to the LC Studio.

I am so happy that this worked out and that we could do this.

And I would love to come back.

And

thank you for having me.

Well, thank you.

And good luck to you.

We're excited to see you again in September.

You guys have to come.

Yes.

We'll come in.

You comment.

Yes.

100%.

Okay.

It's right down the street from me, too.

Okay, good.

Courtney Michelle.

I will put all of her links in the show notes, all the appropriate links down in her show notes.

You can find her on social media.

You can catch her live if you're in one of the lucky towns that gets to see her show.

Thank you very much, Courtney.

We appreciate it.

Thank you guys so much.

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I think that went surprisingly well, Chrissy.

I cannot believe how well that went.

And

I don't think I creeped her out once.

I kept the cringe factor down to a one.

You did a wonderful job.

Thank you.

Astrid watching.

Yeah, Astrid was

without Astrid.

Who knows what would have happened?

Gordy Michelle was absolutely delightful.

Lovely.

And I do have to say, I really enjoyed recording here, actually.

All the people at Odyssey

have made it great.

And this is a fantastic facility.

Professional studio.

Yeah.

I just said to Assard, I said, this is like, this is so much better than our studio at home, which she designed.

So I'll be in the doghouse paying many husband points for that later on tonight.

I'm sure I'll be doing a honeydew list very long tonight.

That's true.

Anyway, Cordy Michelle, she was wonderful.

Thank you.

You know what I've noticed?

I don't know why I do this, but I tend to go deep on a lot of our guests.

You do?

Why do I do that?

You're quoting.

Isn't this a comedy show?

It's quoting Ram Das.

I'm the Buddhist monk.

I know.

Buddhist monk, ramdas.

And I'm not even sure it was ramdas.

Your childhood.

Yeah.

So how's your mother?

You never know what you're going to get.

I'm trying to get them to cry because I see that gets clicks on social media.

That's what I'm doing.

I want to be important, but I don't want to talk about politics because fuck politics.

Because we're all fucked and no one seems to care about it.

Anyway, Cordi Michelle is absolutely lovely.

You can find her on social media.

You can catch her live in Chicago, Austin, Nashville, Atlanta.

I think she said Miami, LA, somewhere.

Anyway, all that information is down in the show notes.

We certainly would appreciate it if you would go and follow her and then check out her live show.

I think we should go.

We're going.

We have a long list of shows to go to this fall with our guests, but we should try and make it to at least some of them.

Yeah.

Some people, we just tell them we're going to go to their show and hope that they give us free tickets.

And then other people, we're going to go to their show.

And I think Courtney might be one of them.

What do you think?

I've never heard that venue she's performing on.

Oh, the city winery is lovely.

Lovely.

I wish I drank still because don't they sell wine there at the winery?

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