TCB Replay: Danny Ricker

September 24, 2025 1h 7m

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EP835: Jimmy Kimmel Live's Co-writer and Producer, Danny Ricker joined TCB earlier this year. The conversation was fun, friendly and insghtful. Danny shared about his work behind the scenes of THE most talked about late night show, right now. We look forward to hearing what Jimmy has to say upon his return. We support Danny and crew as they wade into choppy waters!

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Danny's here with us now.

Danny, thank you so much for joining us today.

We really appreciate it.

Thanks for having me, guys.

This is an honor to be on.

So thank you.

Well, it's an honor to have you.

You're co-executive producer of my favorite late night television show.

I think the one that is doing the best at carrying on that late night tradition, which is Jimmy Kimmel, of course.

And I've been a big fan of Jimmy's for a long time.

I like Colbert too.

But I think Kimmel is my favorite because I just, I think I resonate most with his comedy style and his voice.

And you are one of the voices of that comedy styling.

question, what it's got to be an absolute like

chaotic, hot mess to put a show on every single night of the week, starting from scratch.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's a lot.

We have a great team at our show.

I mean, from the writers to our producers to our props department.

I mean, everybody is really, really really good at their job, which makes it a lot of fun.

So it is chaotic.

It's crazy.

It's weird.

So, you know, we started about 6 a.m.

and we're doing a show at 4.30 and we don't know what's going to be in the show that night.

But because we have such a great group of people, it gets done every day by hook or by crook.

Do you have like a like, so here, you know, largely blossoms from our brains.

We write notes down.

We also do four days a week.

So, but we don't have production elements.

We don't have 25 cameras.

We don't don't have props.

We don't have all that.

It's just us in a chair.

So whatever we can use our voices for is about as much as we're going to get out of the show.

Do you have ideas that carry over from day to day, like evergreen ideas?

You put it on a list and you say, okay, Jimmy didn't pick that one.

I'm assuming Jimmy has the last say in what goes on the show.

Yeah, he does.

He, he's very, you know, I'm one of the head writers.

I'm one of four head writers at our show, but Jimmy is really our showrunner and he's the final say on everything.

And he's, you know, he does a ton of writing.

He does a ton of producing.

I often say for his own good, I think he's probably a little too involved just because he is, I mean, he'll, he's up all night going through scripts and stuff.

But I think that's what makes the product good to have a host that cares that much.

But yes, he's he's always the final say.

And so you have ideas, like evergreen ideas that you can like carry over from one day to the next.

Like he didn't pick it yesterday, but I'll throw it in there next week and we'll see if it works on this day or.

Yeah.

I mean, part of my job as one of the, you know, one of the heads of the writing department is to sort of have like a little mix of everything, right?

Like sometimes we we have that great idea that can only go that day.

It's based on kind of the big story of the day.

We love to have one of those.

And then if the news is such where we're like, yeah, it's me, today wasn't one of those days where there's like the, you know, the Pete Hegseth like signal story.

We didn't have like, you know, like we have a couple good things we're going to cover.

So I always try to plan and have like a couple things in our holster, be like, oh, you know what?

We shot that bit last week, but that'll work tonight.

And then we have some stuff that's not remotely related to the news that we can always mix in.

So I, we always kind kind of feel like we're, you know, we're kind of putting the menu together for Jimmy every day.

And we'd be like, all right, here's all, here's all the items and you can kind of pick.

And then he kind of sees how he feels that day and what's going on.

And he assembles what feels like the best collection of stuff.

So we have another head writer named Josh who sits with him all day and looks at all that stuff and pieces it all together.

So we just try to prepare for all possible scenarios.

Very interesting.

I bet that that kind of chaos becomes a little bit addictive after a while.

I'm sure it's not great for your health, but I'm sure it becomes,

I'm sure this is not good for my health either, but there's something about it that like I'm much like you, I'm sure, and like Jimmy, like it's, you know, midnight.

I'm just about to fall asleep.

Something comes to my brain.

I'm writing it down.

I'm fleshing it out.

I'm, you know, researching it or whatever.

I have a question, and then I'd like to, you know, obviously discuss you in your, and the book,

which, by the way, I thought was very funny and

useful.

Like, and it's hard to put those two things together when you're talking about children.

But

when you have such an interest, when you're living in such an interesting time and you've got Jimmy, who, and the show, which are so mainstream and visible,

how do you collectively, as a writing team and a production team, make the decision about how far you're going to dig your heels in or poke at the bear, so to speak?

And, you know, without getting into kind of the politics of it, obviously you've got an administration now who's not afraid to wield a sword, right?

And do a lot of talking.

And that talking sometimes now, it seems like, can come with action that's biting.

How do you make a decision about how far you're going to take it?

Because I believe Jimmy is one of those voices who's really not shied away from taking a swing at the king, so to speak.

Yeah, you know, there's not as much thought into it as you might think.

You know, like I,

I, I had someone asked me the other day, you know, they went like, you know, well, when did you all decide to get political?

And I was like, you know, we didn't have like a meeting where we all sat down and went, okay, now our show is political.

I, we feel like our goal every day is to get up and look at what's happening and decide how we feel about it and then talk about it.

And, you know, for many years, like when I started as a writer,

you know, every day, like our main story was like, who got voted off American Idol?

And that's not because we were.

particularly interested in American Idol, but it's like that's what our country was talking about.

I mean, that was

I mean, literally, like that season, San Jaya was on American Idol, whatever year that was.

Like, CNN, CNN would cover that.

Like, a story on CNN was San Jaya didn't get eliminated from American Idol.

So we, we

long for those times.

I know.

Bring me back.

I know.

So we just, we try to be a mirror to what's going on.

Jimmy always says, I want to talk about what people are talking about.

And so I think over the course of, you know, the last, you know, 10, 15 years, our country has started talking about different things and we've just kind of gone along with it.

So, you know, I feel like just the very small cog that I am in this process, I just look at what's going on and I go, what is my reaction to that?

Do I feel that's hypocritical?

Do I feel like that's a good idea, a good thing?

You know, and then I just try to word that as humorously as I can.

And

sometimes the news is sad and we still got to do a show that night.

And so we try to find our little angle that maybe we can add a little levity to it and help other people digest it too.

And so one of the biggest compliments we can get is, you know, we do a monologue on a kind of a big news day, even if it's something that's kind of serious.

And people will text me the next day and go, you know what?

I really, that helped me kind of think through what was going on.

And it made me laugh too.

And we go, okay, well, then I think we're doing our job if that's going on.

Yeah.

I think for time immemorium, or at least around, as long as the late night television, as long as I've been alive, late night TV is a place where you go where you have an opportunity to see that there are other people that are laughing through the pain.

And there's kind of a voice, this being Jimmy, maybe Letterman or Carson, however far you want to go back, where you would tune in and there was, I don't know, I don't know, this might be a weird thing to say, but this is how I feel like it was almost a grounding event.

Okay, we're laughing at it.

It's real.

It's sad.

It's tough.

It's scary, whatever it is, but we're here.

We're laughing at it.

And there's someone on the other side of that screen that understands it's big, it's scary, it's interesting, whatever, but they're giving me some catharsis through this really tough day or this tough news cycle or whatever it happens to be.

You know, maybe not so much now because of the advent of the internet and short form content and dumb podcasts like ours, but you know, I still see those late night talk show hosts as kind of a beacon of

like an outlet, an outlet where we can look on the other side of the screen and say things are going to be okay.

There is someone who's got a level head, but also finds a way to laugh.

And I think that's an important role that you play.

You as

it's an important role that you're giving voice to that.

Yeah.

And, you know, I mean, we're, we're under no illusions that it's like, you know, we're, we're still just a comedy show.

But, you know, I do feel like, you know, if we can make people feel seen, you know, like, you know, we always feel like if people watch our show and they go, yes, exactly.

Like that.

Maybe I didn't have that particular thought, but like you're, you're so right in the way you're thinking of that.

And I think one of the one of the great things about Jimmy is he's just uh you know even with all his success and everything he's just a real kind of everyman kind of regular guy and i think that's how we try to approach even complicated stories whether they be political or you know whatever it is and you know we just try to point out like what seems weird about it or you know hypocritical or you know whatever it is and you know we don't get too academic about it you know unless we need to and i we have that ability to do it if we need to but i think like we we just try to make everything digestible and you know we know some people get their news from us, which we don't necessarily recommend, you know, but

no, you know, you should, like, you know, you should read some like real newspapers and stuff.

But, you know, I, but I think if you are coming to us, we try to, you know, kind of explain what's going on and then also just kind of break it down in a way where you can, you know, understand it and then also hopefully find a little humor in it, whatever it may be.

You know,

true story or not,

you used to have the profession of watching TV on behalf of Jimmy.

We saw that, and we saw, you know, we were watching another interview that you did, and we saw that you were like a TV watcher trying to find clips.

Now, I only know this position actually exists because I was a listener of the Howard Stern show.

Yeah.

And I know that JD, one of the people that works on that show, that's what he does.

He sits around watching endless hours of TV, trying to find clips that Howard can play.

I guess you started as the JD of the Jimmy Kimmel show.

Yeah, yeah.

I was a college intern there for like three months.

And then right when I actually graduated college early, like I didn't pick up a minor, so I could graduate early and go work at Jimmy Kimmel Live when I was like 22 years old.

Yeah.

And

so, yeah, but this job exists there.

And it's, we still have it to this day.

I think we were kind of one of the first shows to really

do it.

But, you know, again, like when I started, I was watching,

you know, I'd watch The View, I'd watch The Bachelor, I'd watch Atila Tequila had a dating show that I watched, all those, all those shows.

And so, yeah, I would sit in this like disgusting little office with three other people and

we just watch TV.

And it's funny because like it, it sounds like so chill, you know, like, ah, you're just sitting around, but it's like, you know, it's like a professional workplace we work in and you have to deliver clips every day and you got to get stuff on the show.

So it's, it was weirdly kind of like a sales job where it's like every day you'd, you know, at like 11 o'clock, you'd show up and be like, okay, here's all the things I found.

And hopefully Jimmy likes some of them and they get on the show.

But it was a really great, like kind of entry-level creative job for me.

Like I knew I wanted to be a writer someday.

And so with this, I got to kind of look for funny things.

I could go in the monologue.

You know, I would work with the writers at that time a bunch where they might have an idea for a bit that involved footage.

And I'd actually sit with one of them and find all the stuff.

So it was really good training for me.

And I kind of got to know the writers, you know, through that too.

Yeah.

So I did it for two years.

I think that my last day was the day Barack Obama got elected.

So I had like a full like election cycle I did,

which was crazy, but

I'm really glad I had that job too, because I think it made me a good like kind of mental editor.

Like when I'm writing, I can go, oh, yeah, I sort of know like what's a reasonable

piece of footage to ask someone for, you know, and how things will fit together.

And but yeah, no, that was a that was a crazy job.

Weirdly, the amount of, I did that for like 18 months, that time feels longer than the like 15 years I've I've been a writer somehow.

It was just like

it was so it was like a clockwork orange.

You just sat there with your eyes open,

consuming every piece of media that came across your TV.

And like, not like good media.

This isn't like, you know, 60 minutes and, you know, Nova.

Yeah.

Watching Tila Tequila and Jerry Springer for endless hours.

But I can see how that would lead into

you understanding how to edit, how to get a comedic voice.

You would say, you know, okay,

you're looking for things and you're finding kind of your own rhythm, your own style, and at the same time, working with the people who are giving voice to Jimmy.

And so, I can see how if you're smart and sharp and have that keen sense, then you kind of work your way up.

And I think it's great that you started there and then you work your way up into co-executive producer.

That's got to be a dream come true, I would imagine.

It is, and I'm, I'm very lucky that I work at a place with a group of people who promote from within and, you know, and can foster people.

And, you know, i mean there's a lot of places you could work that would just you know kind of keep you where you're at but oh yeah you know i you know i just when i was a tv watcher i had said to the head writer at the time uh this guy steve o'donnell who's a late night legend he was letterman's head writer for many years and he was our head writer at the time and i just told him you know i went like hey i'm like interested in learning about writing and he's like great and he you know gave me some great advice and then um the two head writers who came in after him named Molly McNearney and Gary Greenberg,

they hired me as a writer's assistant.

And so they taught me so much.

And now they're two of the other head writers at the show with me, which is like, that's a really special thing for me.

So, but, you know, again, at that time, they could have just been like, all right, well, you're our assistant.

You order the lunch and whatever.

But they knew that on top of doing that stuff, I was also really interested in learning how to write.

And so they taught me so much.

And I, you know, for me, it's like that was kind of like my comedy writing, like college or whatever, where it's like, oh, I get to work with the writers and I can, you know, write some material and have professional writers like really look at it and give me notes.

So I just, I feel, I'm forever grateful that Jimmy and the team there were able to go, yeah, hey, like we see that you have a goal and we're going to help you get there.

Do mom and dad, do you call mom and dad and say, hey, mom and dad, I got a job as a TV watcher?

They go, oh, I'm sure as shit glad we paid for all that college, kid.

Yeah.

What do your parents think about, you know, just kind of, did you have more of a straight-laced childhood?

Or were your parents a little like, ah, I don't know about all this, kid?

My parents are wonderful and very supportive and always have been.

So they were really excited for me.

I mean, I was literally, I mean, I got a psychology degree in college and I literally was like, I was, I was like wrapping that up so quickly so I could go watch Dr.

Phil for a living, you know?

But they were excited.

And, you know, we're from Southern California.

You know, I've lived here my whole life.

And so, you know, I, you know, Jimmy was on the radio out here.

There was a morning duo called Kevin and Bean, Legendary Morning Duo out here.

And Jimmy was on their show.

He was their sports guy, but he wrote a ton of their sketches and their Christmas albums.

And so I had been a fan of Jimmy since I was like really young.

And my parents knew that too.

And my parents were a fan of him too from being from Southern California.

So like they just thought it was the coolest thing that Jimmy Kimmel had a late-night show and I was going to go work on it.

And

so they've just been nothing but supportive.

They're still like really, really big fans.

And that's always been great for me.

What it must be like to have parents that are proud of you.

You guys are going to be

my dad's still wondering when it's all going to work out for me, but you know,

that's my cross there.

You, you, how did you decide that you're, first of all, tell me about

how many kids do you have?

I have two kids.

I have an 11-year-old and a seven and a half year old.

Oh, so you're right in the thick of it, just like I am.

Your kid's a little bit older than my children, most of them.

So you have a seven and eleven year old when did you decide obviously you have a great comedic voice and this is probably i would imagine since you're writing every single day this is kind of an easy transition for you right let me put some of these thoughts down collect them organize them and write a book but i think you struck a balance between good advice and funny shit like how did you decide you're going to write a book and How did that come together?

Thanks.

You know, it actually, it was, it was Jimmy's idea for me to write it, actually.

And

yeah, yeah.

So like we at our show every day, you know, on top of all of our topical material, Jimmy, you know, for many years, asked that we submit just one little observational, non-topical thought.

And we didn't even really have like a set way we were going to use them, but he goes, I kind of like having these.

And every once we'd have a bit where we'd need some observational humor.

He's like, oh, let's go back and look in that big document of observations.

But so, you know, I was doing this for years.

And mostly, you know, I'd be sitting right here going like, okay, what, what do I observe?

And I had two little kids.

So like every day, my non-topical observation was something about my kids.

And

he always really liked them.

And eventually after doing this for years, he was like, we have no use for this on our show.

Like, obviously, like, he's not going to do like material about my kids on our, you know, on our talk show or whatever.

But he goes, you should try writing like a book.

And I kind of the initial thought was, you know, like a page a day kind of, you know, like one observation.

per day kind of thing.

And, but then we went like, well, maybe I can also kind of make that a bigger thing.

I don't know.

So I just, I printed all these things out and I I laid them on the floor and I went like, okay, what's like my, what's the general theme of these like 200 thoughts I have here?

And I think the general theme, yeah, chaos.

Yeah.

The general theme is don't do it.

Don't have kids.

But I think what I realized was like, generally speaking, I'm a very practical person and parenting is the most impractical process like ever.

And so I went, okay, like, so what, you know, if I'm going to write a book like about parenting, what is the idea?

And I, you know, kind of the structure I

got to was, you know, I read a lot of self-help books.

You know, that's, that's mostly what I read.

Join the club.

Yeah.

Join the club.

And, you know, and I feel like, you know, with every self-help book, it's like, okay, here's the problem that's ruining your life.

And I'm going to solve it in three steps, basically.

And then, and then everything will be perfect for you.

And then I'm going to create an additional problem that my next book will solve.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Yeah.

That's the phase I'm in now.

But but yeah, so then I went like, okay, so what's the problem?

And And I think I just realized, I go, yeah, I am, I'm no longer like a person.

I used to be a person

and I had hobbies and friends I saw and all these things.

And now I'm just, I'm like my kids' service animal, basically.

And so kind of the faux premise of my faux self-help book is how to parent less and then kind of get your life back so you can go back to living your life.

And, you know, again, it's a, it's a comedy book.

It's a collection of comedy essays.

But I will say as I, as I've read through it again, is now that it's like printed up in a real book, I go, you know, not everything is bullshit in here.

There are kind of like some decent ideas and they're all based on real things I've observed as a parent.

So,

you know, generally speaking, the book is humor, but my hope is that parents will read it and feel seen a little bit and go, oh, yeah, actually, I go through this on a daily basis too.

And, you know.

I think that's a good way to put it.

I think that I, I think that,

you know, the excerpts that I had a chance to read,

I feel like you truly understand what it's like to spend a day with my wife or I, specifically me.

You talk about bath time and you say, I don't understand why we have to give bath kids, wick kids, baths every single day, even though it's obligatory and you have to do it because they are disgusting little creatures that mess up your house.

You're right.

It's 90 minutes later.

We've done nothing but fight, argue, fuss.

Everyone's wet.

Soap's everywhere.

Tile is got gangrene or something growing on the corner because they splash everywhere.

And it really is just like this super frustrating part of the day.

And you go, maybe they weren't all that dirty.

Maybe I really didn't need to give them a bath every day.

Or you say like

something about the purgatory for toys, which we do here.

Like literally, we say, okay, kids, it's whatever, second quarter.

You got to pick.

10 things that you want to give away to children that are less fortunate.

You put them in this box, you say goodbye, and in a couple of days, they're going.

So you say things that actually

are good.

It's good advice.

Like it's good advice that I found I've either will take or have taken before.

And there is so much chaos in raising children that

as they're running up and down the hall here in the house, you can hear them screaming.

Actually, they just got home from school.

But there's so much chaos in raising children that if you're like me, I like things a little bit organized.

There comes a point when you have to just throw your hands up in the air and say, fuck it.

It's not going to happen anymore.

At least not in this stage stage of my life.

I have to embrace the chaos and understand that life is truly messy.

And with children, it's extra messy.

Is that a hard thing for you to do, like it is for me?

Yes, I'm by my nature.

I'm also a very organized person.

And, you know, it's hard for me just to let things go sometimes.

But, you know, I do enjoy it too.

I enjoy being a parent.

And that was one thing when I started writing the book, I was like, I don't want this to be like an anti-kid book.

I actually

really enjoy being a dad.

It's just that like

I'm at constant odds with like, okay, like, am I going to engage in this ridiculous thing I'm being sucked into here?

Or am I just going to like exercise a little just stoicism and, you know, put something at arm's length?

And, you know, really what I'm trying to look for in the book is like.

corners you can cut that won't affect your kids negatively, right?

You know, it's like, sometimes like you, you really, you do things because, like you said, you feel like you're supposed to, right?

Like, you know, you're like, oh, you know, you're supposed to sew your kids' Halloween costume by hand.

It's like, like, what, why?

Like, are you, you're not being graded or whatever.

And it's like, you know what?

$12 on Amazon.

Yeah, exactly.

We'll survive.

They're going to be just as happy.

So I, you know, it was trying to like take the self-imposed ridiculousness that I feel like we're doing either for show, for other parents, or, you know, generationally, we feel like we're supposed to do, or our kids will grow up to be serial killers, you know, if we don't do X, Y, and Z.

And, you know, I think ultimately they don't need much other than just like, you know, they need to know you love them and you got to take them to get ice cream every once in a while.

And, you know, that's about it.

Yeah.

I agree 100%.

I think that there is like this, and especially in 2025, over the last 10 or 15 years, when we were kids, and I don't know how young you are, but I would imagine you're in the similar age range.

When we were kids, there was a much um less complicated parenting philosophy and that was keep them fed

keep them clean yeah and keep them safe and the rest will take care of itself and every 10 years we've gotten more involved and there's more obligations and it's more um hovering and it's more babying and it's more, you know, but they grow up faster anyway now.

Yep.

And so there, I think we could all use a little bit of this kind of advice that you got to own, you got to bring, like, you got to be a whole person yourself before you can parent another human being, number one.

But number two is you don't have to live up to every expectation that's put out there on the internet or in the books or in whatever it is, wherever it is you choose to find out about parenting because you really overcomplicate a situation that was going to be was going to be complicated from the beginning, no matter how you chose to parent them.

And that they need to, they're their own human being.

They need to be given the space to grow in that way.

And you

humorously, I think, kind of pull back that

those covers a little bit.

And I think that's good.

I think it's a good thing.

Thank you.

Yeah, you know, like, I, you know, I never remember a time where like my dad like sat on the floor and like played with me for two hours.

And I will say, and I will say, I, my, I have a fantastic father.

I love my dad so much and it was but it was just a just a difference in generational stuff and so you know I and I don't I think it's good that we sit and play with our kids now too but I think we can go a little too far sometimes too because we just we feel like we've been you know nowadays it's like well the kids in charge and whatever the kid says they need you you can give them and so I you know I think like with all things it's balanced and I don't know if you guys have read the anxious generation that I have yeah I like that that book

kind of hit me like a ton of bricks too you know and I think a lot of people would say maybe, you know, he recommends things that are too far.

But I think there were so many things in there that kind of speak to this too, where it's like, yeah, like, you know, kids can have a little independence.

Like one of the metaphors he talks about in that book, I love is like, you know, these like, there's these trees in Hawaii and they're so strong.

And it's because like they're, they're blown by wind like constantly and that makes them strong.

And then they're kind of indestructible.

And I do think that is a good metaphor for kids.

And there are safe ways in which you can, you know, give them a little independence.

And, you know, my, my 11-year-old,

like in the last like six months, we were at the grocery store, the grocery, you know, the Ralph's we go to every week.

And I had a little list and I tore it in half.

And I go, you're going to get this half of the list.

And I'm going to get this half of the list.

And she looked at me like I was.

Insane.

She's like, what?

Like,

what do you mean?

And I'm thinking like, yeah.

And really all she's got to do is go over like three aisles and grab some bananas or whatever.

And she did that.

And she came back to me and she just had the biggest smile on her face.

And she just like couldn't believe she had done it.

And it was such a simple thing.

But I do think that's important.

And, you know, obviously you got to weigh a lot of factors in that.

Not everyone's comfortable with that.

And, you know, no shame if people aren't.

But I, you know, I do think we social media, I think, and the internet, we, we see so much now of how much people parent and how much

everyone can comment on how you're parenting and, you know, and all these things that I do think you can kind of make some personal choices to dial some things back in the appropriate way and give your kids a little independence, you know?

I agree with you.

I saw a reel the other day, and I don't know which book she was referring to, but there was a woman, and I'm not bashing this.

I'm just sharing.

This wouldn't be my personal choice, but along these same lines.

She said, I read this book, and they said we should give our children one age-appropriate task to do all on their own every single week.

And as they grow older, they get more age-appropriate tasks.

So she was having her four-year-old girl go into a gas station to buy like some potato chips by herself.

And I'm thinking to myself, that girl's four years old.

She's not going to know, she won't even know where the potato chips is.

But I agreed with the premise.

The premise was, you know, have them do something

where they feel, they take ownership over their own lives and their own actions, and they understand how to get things done.

We've all seen this father in Japan who puts ropes and rocks and dirt in front of his child on the way to school every day, and he doesn't help him.

He says, you have to figure out how to get over the ropes, how to get around the rocks, how to get through the mud.

And every day, and he's teaching his kid resilience, how to use his brain and

how to be himself and independent.

And that's how I was raised.

I don't remember my dad playing with me.

And my dad was also a good dad in his own tough love kind of way.

I appreciate him now, maybe not then, but I learned a lot on my own because my father let me fail.

And he didn't, he wasn't there to save me every time.

He told me he wasn't going to be there to save me and now i appreciate that so much but that feels scary to me as a parent it feels scary to let my kid fail because i don't want them to hurt and i don't want them to be hurt and all that other stuff but you know it's an interesting reminder and your book shares this is that we did okay we survived and we became human beings that you know, live and breathe on the self-help back.

Yeah, that read self-help books and have lots of therapy and suffer from all kinds of PTSD.

And they should go through the same shit we went through.

Pain begets pain, kid.

Hurt people hurt people.

I'm sorry.

You're two.

You're going to go to the motel and check in and stay the night by yourself.

That's your task for today.

I think it's a good reminder.

It is.

You know, it's funny.

When I went to college, I remember my first week I lived in a dorm and all my clothes were dirty and I went, oh, I don't know how to do laundry.

And I go, and the reason reason I didn't is because my mom loves me and, you know, was trying to help me out in high school and all these things.

But I just went, oh, and I remember in my dorm, popping the lid of the washing machine open and reading the instructions on the bottom of the lid.

Who has ever done that?

But, you know, besides like me.

And I was like, oh, okay, I need like detergent.

I had no idea.

And that just came from my mom like.

wanting to take care of me like out of the kindness of her heart.

But I've remembered that stuff and I've gone like, okay, so now like my 11-year-old like knows how to use the washing machine.

And like if she gets to like Monday morning, she's going to school and she goes, Oh, none of my pants are clean.

I go, I, well, I guess you should have done your laundry this weekend.

And that happened like one time.

And like, now she's on top of it, you know?

And so I, I think it's more of like a mindset.

You know, it's like we, there's these dramatic examples of like, yeah, I sent my toddler, you know, into the gas station by herself or whatever.

But then there's two, just going, like, yeah, you can like take care of yourself.

Like you can, you can make yourself a bowl of cereal if I'm not awake yet and you're hungry and all these things.

And I, I think it's like you can start small.

And once they start to get those feelings of confidence and independence i it's infectious for them i think and and now now my daughter she'll ask for like a little too much you know she'll be like can i you know like she'll and we'll go maybe when you're a little bit older and you know whatever but hey dad can i buy a pack of sodas

exactly yeah

okay so

in your book i think one of the funniest parts of the book is like you're you're talking about these lies lies that won't harm your children irreparably but you can talk to them you can tell them to like save you time and effort and energy.

And one of my favorites, and man, I wish I could implore that I could install this rule in our house right away or say this lie immediately, but they already know how the car works.

I wish I could tell them that the car no longer plays music because if I hear

frozen or apata one more time, I think I'm going to jump out of a window.

It's crazy.

They're like, they always want to listen to it on repeat too.

It's driving me up the fucking wall.

Yeah, you have to start early with that one.

You know, it's like once the cat's out of the bag, you can't put it back in.

But yeah, it just occurred to me, like, yeah, like I'm always listening to like, you know, like punk music in the car or whatever.

And the first time the kids were like, yeah, can we put on, you know, Encanto, I'd be like, ah, I just, it doesn't play in the car.

You know, like kid music, just, it doesn't, it's not wired to play, you know, kid music in the car.

And they go, all right, you know, like, they don't, they don't know how stuff works and they can't Google shit.

So like you're kind of the, you know, you're their de facto expert on everything.

And I, I think it's totally fine to lie to kids.

And, you know what, like they, I feel like they lie to us about everything.

And I feel like it's okay just to wedge a couple in.

Yeah.

A little white lie.

Yeah.

I had a friend who took it like to the nth degree and they wouldn't tell their kids about Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, because they believed that that would irreplay, that would cause damage.

that they would not be able to recover from when they found out that Santa Claus was a lie or that Tooth Furry was a lie or that Easter Bunny was a lie.

I almost bought into that, but I was like, am I going to actually exclude that magic from my child's life?

I feel okay telling them that Santa Claus exists and they will go to therapy just like I did and everything will be fine.

You know what I'm saying?

It's like, yeah, figure it out and everything will be okay.

You know what?

I think like I'm totally fine doing that.

I mean,

I have a whole chapter in the book where I recommend we just get rid of all of them, not for because we're lying to the kids, but just because they're a huge pain in the ass for parents.

yeah but i i do feel like you can it's kind of the first time they get to like solve a mystery you know because like i think rarely is a kid told about those and they go what you know and it's like the end of the sixth sense like i feel like they they kind of know you know like yeah even my my son right now is he keeps going things like well uh you know the easter bunny if he's real will bring me whatever i go all right the fact that you're saying that is like you you know and they've put the pieces together and like we you know we're not particularly good at like hiding the, you know, the evidence.

Yeah, yeah.

My, I remember like, I think three Easters ago, because you know, you want to like

ideally all the eggs are in the backyard or whatever before the kids wake up, but kids wake up at like 5:30 in the morning.

So you're like, all right, what am I supposed to do?

And then I'm like, we could do it at night, but we have, you know, like raccoons and stuff in our backyard.

And so I'm like, they're going to eat.

So, so I remember the kids woke up and they looked in the backyard and they go like, oh, the Easter money didn't come.

And And I had to go, I go, he hasn't come yet.

You know, he's got to go to all the houses.

he just hasn't, you know, he's like the Amazon guy.

He's got to, you know, he's going to make his way here.

You know, why don't you go hide in a closet?

We'll see if he comes in the next hour or so.

Daddy needs a shot of whiskey.

I'll be right back.

Yeah.

And so, you know, it's like kids aren't stupid.

You know, they put that together eventually.

Okay, so mine is, mine is, one of my kids is around your son's age, seven, right?

Yep.

Is around seven years old.

And he is also starting to say things like,

Is the tooth fairy real?

And I said, Do you believe the tooth fairy is real?

That's my response, right?

I throw it back on him.

Yeah.

And he says, I think so.

And I go, well, if you believe, then it's real because I haven't seen him either.

I haven't seen her either or whatever.

And so that's kind of my like default response.

I feel like he's already starting to unravel the mystery a little bit.

Why do some presents come from Santa, but some come from mom and dad?

That's the other thing.

The why.

Yeah, the why, why, why?

I don't like the answer, which was, I'm just an idiot.

I don't know.

Yeah.

I, yeah, I, I know.

It's the, the, the keeping up of like the back stories is, is a lot for us.

And, and I, you know, one thing that I think when my, when my daughter figured out Santa Claus, I think like kind of the best thing you can do when they figure out is go, okay, you got me, but now you get to kind of be part of like the Illuminati who knows about this, right?

You know, and so, because then you don't want them to go to school and go, hey, dude, guess what I found out?

So you're like, hey, so you're kind of part of the like Santa crew now, or you're part, you know, whatever.

That's good.

And then you can, and this makes people happy and you can help, you know, keep the myth going.

And so then they feel like they've got a secret, which kids love, you know?

When did you, when did she, when did she discover?

When was her like.

the uncover age?

Well, we had a very, it was, it was a little dramatic with my daughter because she's, um, uh, you know, she's like a trial lawyer

and always has been.

So she, um, uh, when she was, I I think, like five years old, she really wanted this gift for Christmas that was ridiculous, right?

And so she, it was a big, it's a big plastic horse and

from like frozen, like the second Frozen movie.

There's like, it's like an ice horse, right?

And this thing was like $150 and does nothing.

It's just a big...

fucking piece of plastic, right?

And so she's asking for it.

And my wife and I are going like, are we going to buy this thing?

Like, this is like, we do not want to buy this thing.

And it's crazy.

Yeah.

And And, and the place we were living at the time was like small.

I go, this is going to take up like 2% of our total square footage in our house.

This stupid horse, right?

So, um, you know, so she's asking for it, asking for it.

My wife and I are going to like, we're not, we're not going to buy this, but we don't, we're like, we're going to get her a bike, right?

Bike, great, classic Christmas gift, you know, perfect gift.

Yeah.

So then Christmas morning comes and uh, there's no plastic horse and there is a bike.

And uh, all the gifts are open.

And this, like, my daughter's face just goes like blank.

And she goes,

I know you're Santa.

And we're like, like, whoa, like, you know, and she, she had put it all together and she's like,

you didn't get me the water knock.

You got me the bike because the bike, the bike is cheaper.

You know, like, I mean, it was like, I mean, she was like, it had us dead to rights.

We're like, oh, boy.

she had figured it out.

And then, so then we start going like, do we rush out and get, I mean, it's, it's like Christmas morning.

Is, is Walmart open?

Like, can we go get this thing?

And so we eventually, so we, we didn't get it for her.

And then, but she ended up, she had some money, like she had saved up from birthdays and stuff.

And, and she bought it.

Uh, and it's still in our house to this day.

Um, she never, I mean, you know, now she's like 11.

Like she doesn't need a big horse,

but she is like, she's very stubborn.

She's digging her heels in.

She goes, I love that thing.

I go, oh, do you?

Do you really love it?

Or are you just driving me insane?

Yeah.

Oh, do you see?

Have you guys started the cell phone conversation yet?

Yeah.

Oh, yes.

Yes.

I'd say my daughter has started the cell phone conversation.

Yeah, exactly.

Right.

Yeah.

No, we're, we're, um, uh, working.

So is my three-year-old, by the way.

It's like, this is ridiculous.

You're never, they started asking the other day at dinner, you know, what age can we get a phone?

And I said, that will be a decision that me and your mother will make when we get tired of giving you our own cell phone.

We'll make that decision.

Yeah.

I mean, look, there's like definitely some good uses for it.

Like, you know, we have,

you know, my wife got a new iPhone, and then so, but we kept her old one, so there's no cell service, but if they're on Wi-Fi, you know, they can use it.

And so, you know, we've had some good stuff.

Like if they're staying with their grandparents and we're like hey you could like you could text us or you could face time like that's great um but so like we that that old iphone we say is like the family like phone or whatever and my daughter well she'll go like she's like oh have you seen my phone i go you don't have a phone you know like anytime she tries to claim it i go it's not yours she goes yes it is like no it's not um but you know we we just we didn't have an ipad forever and we just got an ipad and before we slid it across the table we go like you guys can have this if you agree to the following terms they're like there are no there are no games on this this you know this is for like if we're going on a flight you can watch some Netflix on it or you can FaceTime your friends and that's it so I think as long as you're really paying attention I think that stuff is fine but again that book ancient anxious generation really lays out some like crazy data and how damaging it can be to kids and you know I mean You know, our daughter's 11.

She feels young right now, but I know she's going to middle school next year.

I know that's going to like speed up real quick.

And so as long as we can, we're just trying to keep them off the internet.

Yeah, I don't disagree with you.

We have

two iPads and

we started, we gave one to my firstborn when he was like three, but only for like, you know, 15 minutes if we were, you know, on a flight, on a long drive or whatever.

And we just put whatever, you know, baby first or whatever it was that they were watching just to kind of keep them occupied and quiet and whatever.

But we learned very quickly that that has a snowball effect.

So now, absolutely, they're not even in sight on weekdays when there's school involved.

And on the weekends, we only allow them, you know, they can play Spotify, they can listen to music, you know, their own playlists or whatever.

Or we have certain, like, they can go on Netflix and watch, you know, whatever the rated G things, whatever it is.

But what we have noticed is, since we took the iPads away for 99% of the time, they don't ask for it.

Yeah.

Which is kind of strange.

Only on occasion will they ask to play Spotify, and most of the times we can play it on those sonos or whatever we have, but they don't really ask for it.

But when they had access to it for like the six months that we would say, okay, you can watch it for 15 minutes or whatever, the more that they had it, the more that they asked for it.

And it became so blatantly clear to me that this is addictive.

And the more that they have it, the more that they want it,

something is feeding that dopamine channel.

And so we snap back real quick.

And it was a lesson that that we learned and for like a week there was a lot of complaining about it and then just eventually they forgot it they went and played with their toys or listened to the music or whatever so that's the most dangerous thing and i think we're all about to learn a lesson about screens that if those screens are no good for us i think a lot of people have learned this lesson i think more waking up to it that those screens are tethers that just suck us all in and make us less aware of the world around us, less attached, less connected, and feel more lonely.

Yeah.

And I just don't want my children to go through that.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm terrible with it.

I mean, like, I have a really hard time.

I go, and I'm like a 40-year-old man.

I go, you know, these, like, these kids like have no self-control.

They're just, they're so young, you know?

it does, it feels like a drug.

I mean, it's, I don't know, it's like giving them cigarettes or something, you know, where you just need to be like, okay, like, I mean, it's, it's, it's like dangerous, you know.

So I, I totally agree.

And I, I think, like, and again, you know, no, no judgment on anybody.

It's like, whatever you got to do, you got to do.

But I, I think similarly to the the car radio thing it's like if you cannot let the cat out of the bag and make these devices as like i mean even for me i you know i have to like i've taken twitter like off my phone because i was just like i i can't like if i'm filling up a glass of water at my fridge the 10 seconds that takes i i'm reaching for my phone to check twitter i go i i hate that it's like just that monkey brain thing and uh i'm i i'm having a hard time breaking myself of it i can't imagine how difficult it would be for a kid.

yeah, I think I kicked myself in the ass about two years ago during when we're all just kind of, you know, two or three years ago, we were all locked down.

And I went to the bathroom one night to pee, like at three o'clock in the morning.

And I realized that I took my phone with me.

Like I woke up to this fact.

I was like, wait, I just took my phone with me so I could check Instagram.

It's three in the fucking morning.

I have 12 followers.

What in the world could I be checking on?

Like, what in the world is that important?

Nothing's happening.

It doesn't matter.

We just got, I got so stuck in that kind of that feedback loop, especially when during the pandemic, when we were all just kind of here watching, waiting for the next shoe to drop and all that.

It's amazing.

think that more of us could use kind of this pragmatic approach to parenting.

Lay off the kids a little bit.

Let them run into some sharp objects on occasion.

Let them

fall on some scissors or whatever.

Because at the end of the day, what doesn't kill them will make them stronger.

We know this from our own adult lives.

It's the things that we go through make us more resilient, not less.

And I also think that there's, we can get caught up with what about the Joneses, right?

We get up with, we get caught up in that, and it becomes a game you just can't win.

You can never win it because if you're not keeping up with the Joneses, you become the Joneses and everyone's trying to keep up with you.

And either way, it's a terrible cycle.

I think you give some great advice in this book.

It's really fucking funny.

You know, it's funny.

My intention was not to have good advice in the book.

I'm like, oh, I'm going to write a comedy book, but I do feel like

you mentioned the purgatory cabinet.

I was like, that's a real thing I do.

And I actually do think it's a good idea, you know, even though I wrote it for humor.

So, yeah, I think I accidentally put some good advice in the book.

I think it's great.

It's called, Wow, You Look Terrible.

It's available today.

I will put links in the show notes.

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That's kind of you.

Thank you.

No, I think that it's a true statement.

If we're watching a late night talk show around here, if I'm watching it, it's Kimmel, and I've got my wife addicted to Kimmel.

So he's great.

And now we know one of the voice, one of the people that gives voice to Kimmel.

And so you're welcome back anytime.

I would love to come back.

Yeah, thank you.

I really appreciate you guys having me on.

And you guys do a great show.

Thanks for having me.

If Pete Davidson or Ariana Grande ever, you know, can't make the Jimmies, just call us up and we'll be happy to pipe ourselves in.

Done.

We've got a lot to talk about.

And I promise I'll tone down the cussing if I'm on national TV.

You know what?

We don't ask that of our guests.

You can say whatever the fuck you want.

Do you guys have safe?

Are you safe harbor at 1130?

We have to bleep it out, you know.

But yeah, you know, Jimmy is always I think because he is uh you know, he's kind of a traditional broadcaster, he often does not swear on the show.

It's very rare

he does.

Like I and we have tons of swearing in our like comedy bits, and you know, he's he's not opposed to it, but I think he feels like as like the host, he's supposed to like the host of a party.

He's like, he needs to have a certain decorum about him, which I always appreciate.

He swears like a sailor off the air, you know, which is which is fun, but yeah.

It's funny to watch the transition from Jimmy from kind of like, you know, second fiddle radio guy to man show to,

you know, really kind of esteemed late-night talk show host.

He's, he did it.

He, he did it.

And now I, I don't know.

I respect him as a comedian and as a as a talk show host, I think he's one of the one of the better ones.

So congratulations on all this success with Jimmy Kimmel.

May you guys do it for another 15 years.

And please come back.

You're welcome anytime.

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I'll put all the links in the show notes.

Thank you, Danny.

Thanks, guys.

Thank you.

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On a live, unscripted Challenger School class.

They're reviewing the American Revolution.

The British were initiating force and the Americans were retaliating.

Okay.

Where did they initiate force?

It started in their taxation without representation.

Why is that wrong?

The purpose of a government is to protect individual rights and by encroaching on individual rights, they cannot protect them.

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Danny Ricker, nine-time Emmy nominee.

I don't know if you ever, did he win one?

I don't know.

We didn't ask him.

But nine-time Emmy nominee, head writer, co-executive producer of the Jimmy Kimmel Show, and his brand new book, Wow You Look Terrible, now available at the links in the show notes.

We'll remind you throughout the week, but it's available.

It's out today.

So if you're a parent or if you're interested in parenting, if you're not a parent and you're thinking about being a parent, read this book because I think it'll probably dissuade you from being a parent.

I know it reinforced me.

Yeah, it reinforced your life choices.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

Don't rub it in our faces, Chrissy.

Don't rub it in our faces.

Anyway, Danny was lovely to talk to.

I'm fascinated by how the machinery works over there at the Jimmy Kimmel show.

It really was a pleasure.

I think what's interesting is to hear him talk about the Jimmy Kimmel show, it's not all that much different from the commercial break.

You put some stuff on a spreadsheet, you put some ideas on the spreadsheet, and then they get worked out very quickly.

Only we put some stuff on the spreadsheet, and then we never end up getting to it.

That's how it works here at the commercial break.

We're trying.

We're getting better.

Yeah, we are.

We're getting better.

DannyRicker.com, all the links down in the show notes.

Thank you very much, Danny, for coming in.

I imagine he'll be back.

I imagine we'll talk to Danny again.

I would love to.

Yeah, absolutely.

And I've seen him on like a lot of other podcasts and shows.

He's doing the PR thing.

So maybe we'll have him back in a couple months and see how the book went.

If it goes well, I'm sure he'll write another one.

And he told us that Jimmy helped him with the book.

Jimmy said, hey, go take these ideas and put them together and we'll figure it all out together.

Foreword written by Jimmy Kimmel.

That's got to be a feather in your cap.

Oh, and the forward to your first book is written by Jimmy Kimmel.

Yes.

12 hours of TCB coming May 31st.

That's a Saturday, so you have a chance of keeping up with it.

12 hours of TCB, celebrities are coming by.

They're going to talk about mental health.

We're going to talk about mental health awareness.

We're going to check on our own mental health by the end of the day.

It's all going to be for a good cause and celebrating five years of the commercial break.

Five years of the commercial break.

Unbelievable.

750 episodes, five years.

It's crazy.

And we're going to, what, add another 30 episodes that one day?

Yeah, okay.

Let's boost it.

Yeah, we're going to go straight to 800 by the end of the day.

Also, don't forget America's.

What?

No, never mind.

Never mind.

I can't say that yet.

I'll let that out of the bag later on this week.

Big news coming later on this week.

Stay tuned.

I also wanted to tell you that 212-433-3TCB, TCB, that's 212-433-3822.

We take questions, comments, concerns, content ideas, all right there, one location at that phone number.

You can also leave us a voicemail if you want to be heard on the commercial break.

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And while we're speaking about the video, thank you to our video production team, WePlash.

If you need video production services, reach out and we'll send you their information or look them up.

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Okay, Chrissy, that's all I can do for today.

I'll tell you that I love you.

I love you.

Best to you.

Best best to you.

and best to you out there in the podcast universe.

Until next time, Chrissy and I will say.

We do say, and we must say.

Goodbye.

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