Fox News Clarifies Trump Loves “Miners” & Female Reporters Are on Trump’s S**t List | Annie Leibovitz
TikTok’s biggest trends in 2025 had "6-7" becoming the word of the year, high school seniors cosplaying assassins, people damaging property Kool-Aid Man-style, and Lewis Black wondering what the f**k is wrong with our society.
Legendary photographer Annie Leibovitz joins Desi Lydic to discuss her powerful new collection of career-spanning work titled "Women." They talk about breaking stereotypes of pregnant women with Demi Moore’s Vanity Fair cover, capturing Michelle Obama as she found her laid back self after eight years as first lady, her favorite unsmiling image of her mom where the camera "disappears," and Gloria Steinem’s message in the book about women “not going backward.”
Shop Mint Unlimited Plans at http://mintmobile.com/daily
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Press play and read along
Transcript
Speaker 1 Tu mereces fruits favorites for menos. Ja sell na Big Mac, McNuggets, or a sausage, egg and cheese, McCriddles, pie tuento hocomo un meo, ya hora.
Speaker 1 Oof, nava comodarto un gustaso, por tam poco, los extra value meals están del regreso.
Speaker 5
Gana por la mañana con el extra value meal, sausage, mc, muffin with egg, hash browns, yun cafe agiente pequeño por solos se dolaris. Bara, ba ba ba.
Preses y participación pueden varía.
Speaker 5 Los preces de la promosión pueden en sermenores que los de las comidas.
Speaker 6 The holidays mean more travel, more shopping, more time online, and more personal info in more places that could expose you more to identity theft.
Speaker 6 But LifeLock monitors millions of data points per second. If your identity is stolen, our U.S.-based restoration specialists will fix it guaranteed or your money back.
Speaker 6
Don't face drained accounts, fraudulent loans, or financial losses alone. Get more holiday fun and less holiday worry with Life Lock.
Save up to 40% your first year. Visit lifelock.com slash podcast.
Speaker 6 Terms apply.
Speaker 7 You're listening to Comedy Central.
Speaker 4
From the most trusted journalists at Comedy Central. It's America's only source for news.
This is the Daily Joke with your host, Jesse Leiden.
Speaker 4 Welcome to the baby show. I'm Kathy Leidick.
Speaker 8
We've got so much to talk about tonight. Donald Trump wakes up on the wrong side of the tanning bed.
Lewis Black gets a restraining order on the numbers six and seven.
Speaker 8 And great news on the gender gap. Female reporters are now earning 20% more insults than men.
Speaker 4 Go, girls!
Speaker 8 Let's get right into the headlines.
Speaker 8 After some big losses in this year's elections, Donald Trump has decided to focus less on bringing back the rush hour franchise and focus more on real kitchen table issues like affordability.
Speaker 8 So last night he held an affordability themed rally at Where Else a Casino,
Speaker 8 a place where people famously leave with more money than they came in with.
Speaker 8 This is an important issue that affects all Americans. So President Trump, let's hear your solution.
Speaker 10 Which is better, Sleepy Joe or Crooked Joe?
Speaker 10
We have 20,000 people. I say, which do you like, Sleepy Joe or Crooked Joe? Typically, Crooked Joe wins.
I'm surprised. Because to me, he's a sleepy son of a bitch, you know?
Speaker 4 Dude.
Speaker 8 Get over Joe Biden already. It's like if Mike Tyson was still showing up at a Vander Holyfield's house trying to bite his other ear.
Speaker 8
And not for nothing, Joe Biden is retired now. He's allowed to be sleepy.
What's your excuse?
Speaker 13 And we will continue to talk to our farmers, continue to understand exactly what this looks like and what is necessary. We got a final thing I'll say is
Speaker 8
12 billion. I didn't fall asleep.
You fell asleep.
Speaker 8 How are you falling asleep live on TV in your own cabinet meetings? You gotta at least put on a pair of those glasses with eyeballs on them.
Speaker 8 But okay, so we got the Biden stuff out of the way. Then it was time to finally talk affordability.
Speaker 10 Let me tell you, black people love Trump. I got the biggest vote.
Speaker 10
I got the biggest vote with black people. They know a scam better than anybody.
They know what it is to be scammed.
Speaker 8
Okay, that's racist. White people get scammed too.
Haven't you seen the Firefest documentary or the Theranos documentary or the Tinder Swindler documentary or the LulaRowe documentary?
Speaker 8 At this point, white people falling for shit could be its own Oscar category.
Speaker 8 But I love how Trump is like, black people love me, and that's why I came to the blackest area I could think of, the Poconos.
Speaker 8
And stop bragging. You only won 13% of black people.
My potato salad pulls higher with black people.
Speaker 8 The secret is craziness.
Speaker 8 So he got a little off track with Biden and black people, but at least no one was thinking about the Epstein files anymore.
Speaker 10 For minors, do we love minors? I love minors.
Speaker 8 We know, we all saw the birthday card.
Speaker 4 By the way.
Speaker 8 I was watching this on Fox News last night and I had the captions on because I'm Gen Z. Don't Google it.
Speaker 8 And this is completely real. The way that it aired, you can actually see that the person doing the closed captions is also confused and then
Speaker 8 we'll see.
Speaker 8 That's what Fox gets for hiring Prince Andrew to do the captions.
Speaker 8
But you know what? Just let Trump do his rallies where he's in his element. He prefers it.
I prefer it.
Speaker 8 And I'm pretty sure most of the press pool at the White House prefers it because it hasn't been a good time over there lately, especially for the female reporters.
Speaker 8 President Donald Trump has gone on a full rampage recently of berating and insulting female reporters.
Speaker 18 You are an obnoxious, a terrible, actually a terrible reporter.
Speaker 16 It's not the question that I mind, it's your attitude. The way you ask a question with the anger and the meanness is terrible.
Speaker 18 Argentina's fighting for its life, young lady.
Speaker 16 You don't know anything about it. Are you stupid?
Speaker 12 Are you a stupid person? You know nothing about nothing.
Speaker 19 Quiet.
Speaker 4 Quiet.
Speaker 16 Quiet.
Speaker 20 You're really obnoxious. You don't listen.
Speaker 16 You never listen.
Speaker 21 That's why you're second grade.
Speaker 16 I don't even want to take a question.
Speaker 16 You're totally unprepared. You ought to go back and learn how to be a reporter.
Speaker 22 If I took a cognitive test and I aced it, I got a perfect mark, which you would be incapable of doing.
Speaker 21 Goodbye, everybody.
Speaker 4 You too.
Speaker 8 Mr. Trump, just quick follow-up.
Speaker 4 What the f is your problem?
Speaker 4 God.
Speaker 8 This guy is exhausting. It's like he won't stop until he gives every woman in the country resting Milani a face.
Speaker 8 Can you just try being nice nice to a woman just once?
Speaker 10 We even brought our superstar today, Caroline, when she gets up there with that beautiful face and those lips that don't stop
Speaker 10 like a little machine gun.
Speaker 8 Never mind, I'll take the insults. For more on President Trump's recent outburst, we go live to the White House with Michael Costa.
Speaker 8 Michael, what is going on with the president? Why is he being so awful towards women?
Speaker 20 Isn't it obvious? The moodiness, the sweating, his sleeping problems, the brain fog. Desi, the president is going through menopause.
Speaker 8 All right, Michael, men don't go through menopause.
Speaker 20 Well, we don't call it menopause. When a man gets menopause, we call it dudopause.
Speaker 8 Why not call it menopause?
Speaker 20 Hey, Hey, don't dude explain menopause to me, okay?
Speaker 20
But you're right, menopause is better. But this is a difficult time of life for men.
You have the bloating, the thinning hair, and of course, the vaginal dryness.
Speaker 8 All right, Michael, this is silly. Trump doesn't have a vagina.
Speaker 20 Oh, he doesn't? Does he? Then what do you call this?
Speaker 20 You know?
Speaker 20 You know,
Speaker 20 there was a time in his life when those folds were as tight as a drum
Speaker 20 Smooth supple sopping wet but now
Speaker 20 Now he's going through a bottle of neck lube a week just to feel anything at all and
Speaker 20 and what do you think that does to a man
Speaker 8 I'm sorry, I feel so ignorant. I had no idea.
Speaker 24 Yeah, well maybe you should have
Speaker 24 and you didn't even ask me if I scored a goal in my hockey game last night.
Speaker 21 I'm sorry, Desi.
Speaker 20
I'm sorry. I didn't even have a hockey game last night.
I myself, sorry, am going through the early stages of manopas.
Speaker 8 Wow, well that's that's very brave of you to be so open to talk about it.
Speaker 20 Well we have to break the silence, Desi. We have to end the stigma.
Speaker 8 Sure.
Speaker 20 Do you know how many gynecologists have told me it's all in my head?
Speaker 20 That I should just take an aspirin and stop texting them pictures of my stool?
Speaker 8 I hope just one?
Speaker 20 34.
Speaker 4 Wow.
Speaker 20 34 doctors, no one will treat me and don't even get me started on trying to get insurance to cover it. You have no idea how hard it is for a man to get proper health care in America.
Speaker 8
Yes, of course. Okay, so let me ask you this.
Is there anything that can treat the symptoms of menopause?
Speaker 20 The only thing that's been giving me any relief are these estrogen patches.
Speaker 20 These are the same ones I see Trump wearing all the time.
Speaker 8 I thought those were band-aids.
Speaker 20 Oh, well, what do you think makes more sense, that Trump's getting a continuous stream of low-dose estrogen or that he's got a wound on his hand that hasn't healed for like six months?
Speaker 20
No, he's getting estrogen. Now, if you'll excuse me, at my age, my neck's not gonna lube itself.
So, excuse me, just need to.
Speaker 7 You know, you don't have to let big wireless and your overpriced phone bill suck the joy out of the holidays this year. Because right now, all of Mint Mobile's unlimited plans are 50% off.
Speaker 7 You can get three, six, or 12 months of unlimited premium wireless for 15 bucks a month.
Speaker 7 It's their best deal of the year and makes it real easy for you to give your expensive wireless bill the Scrooge treatment. Mint Mobile's best deal of the year is happening right now.
Speaker 7 You can get a 3, 6, or 12-month unlimited plan for $15 a month. All Mint plans come with high-speed data and unlimited talk and text on the nation's largest 5G network.
Speaker 7
You can bring your current phone and switch your number over to Mint. There's no contracts and no nonsense.
When we're making the daily show, things move quick.
Speaker 7 We need the fastest, most reliable wireless service so we don't miss anything. With Mint Mobile, we get great service at a fraction of the cost of other providers.
Speaker 7 So you can stream all the news, but don't have to be a TV show to afford it. Turn your expensive wireless present into a huge wireless savings future by switching to Mint.
Speaker 7
Shop Mint Unlimited Plans at Mintmobile.com/slash daily. That's mintmobile.com slash daily.
Promo code DAILY.
Speaker 7
Limited time offer, upfront payment of $45 for three months, $90 for 6 months, or $180 for 12-month plan required. $15 a month equivalent.
Taxes and fees extra. Initial plan term only.
Speaker 7
Over 35 gigabytes may slow when network is busy. Capable device required.
Availability, speed, and coverage varies. See Mintmobile.com.
Speaker 7 Welcome back to The Daily Show.
Speaker 8 When a news story falls through the cracks, Lewis Black catches it for a segment we call Back in Black.
Speaker 21 Everyone who knows me knows I love TikTok.
Speaker 24 I'm always ticking and talking, or as my doctor calls it, stroking out.
Speaker 30 And why do I love TikTok?
Speaker 31 Because every time I think we might be reaching the end of civilization, I open TikTok.
Speaker 25 And remember, we already have.
Speaker 27 So before what's left of our tiny ADH adult brains leaks out of our pre-diabetic ears, let's take a look at the hottest TikTok trends of 2025.
Speaker 29 And our first ones, as the kids say, is dumb AF.
Speaker 12 If you're the parent of a child of a certain age, the new dictionary.com word of the year will probably sound familiar. It's the slang phrase 6-7.
Speaker 23 Oh,
Speaker 23 goody.
Speaker 25 The word of the year is not even a word.
Speaker 23 What's the number of the year?
Speaker 21 Red?
Speaker 23 Please tell me more.
Speaker 8 The slang phrase 6-7, it's sweeping America and annoying parents and teachers everywhere.
Speaker 4 Seriously.
Speaker 23 What is wrong with these kids?
Speaker 30 I mean, I thought RFK Jr. was supposed to be curing autism,
Speaker 24 not making it worse.
Speaker 21 And this is why I only hang out in bars.
Speaker 29 The kids in there would never say 6'7. They've seen some shit.
Speaker 30 But this year's trends weren't just stupid.
Speaker 29 They were also downright upsetting.
Speaker 32 Why is this high school student sprinting to her car? She's worried about getting shot, not with a gun, with a water pistol. It's part of a nationwide high school craze
Speaker 32 that's triggering warnings from authorities.
Speaker 32 It's called senior assassin. Teenagers ambush their unsuspecting classmates with water pistols.
Speaker 32 When you shoot somebody, they're out.
Speaker 23 Oh, that is offensive.
Speaker 30 Listen, kids, a school shooter's culture is not your costume
Speaker 29 But in a way, it's nice to see kids having some fun with traumatic events Maybe after this they could do a 9-11 theme truss fall
Speaker 24 Never forget about teamwork
Speaker 25 I knew you would I knew you would
Speaker 30 But hey, at least no one's actually getting hurt, which is more than I can say about these assholes.
Speaker 15 It's the classic TV commercial for Kool-Aid.
Speaker 33 And now it's being copied in a destructive social media challenge called the Kool-Aid Man Challenge.
Speaker 32 Ben Hela is the latest homeowner to have his property vandalized.
Speaker 33 He didn't know what caused the damage until he screened surveillance video taken from across the street.
Speaker 15 It shows three youngsters running right through the fence.
Speaker 30 F ⁇ off, evolution! We'll take it from here.
Speaker 24 These kids are getting a horrible deal.
Speaker 29 Back in my day, if you got brain damage, at least it came with a scholarship to Florida State.
Speaker 25 But behind, go ahead.
Speaker 28 Give yourself brain damage.
Speaker 30 Just make sure to protect your kidneys.
Speaker 29 You'll probably need to sell those down the road.
Speaker 31 And if you thought 2025 TikTok trends couldn't get any weirder, Oh, how wrong you are.
Speaker 20 In a new TikTok trend, parents are picking up their grown teenage children one last time before they get too big.
Speaker 17 Say puppy,
Speaker 11 put your button,
Speaker 18 and I'm going to pick you up.
Speaker 29 I think we can safely assume one thing. That man is divorced.
Speaker 31 I'll be honest, this made me kind of emotional.
Speaker 21 I remember the last time my dad held me, it was when I was one minute old, and then he said, Are you sure this is mine?
Speaker 28 Always brings a tear to my eye.
Speaker 29 But really, before TikTok, how did we even watch strange men lift up their fully grown sons?
Speaker 23 Oh, right, binoculars.
Speaker 30 What show did you think you were coming to?
Speaker 31 On the bright side, if these TikTok trends will finally expose and eliminate the dumbest among us, I'd like to help.
Speaker 29 Maybe there's still time this year to start my own trend.
Speaker 29 What up, squad?
Speaker 30 Uncle Lou here with the coolest new trend of 2025. It's called the Picking Up Lewis Black Challenge.
Speaker 31 What happens is you come over and carry me wherever I need to go.
Speaker 30 Then you wait outside until I'm ready to go to the next bar.
Speaker 23 I'm getting emotional just thinking about it.
Speaker 30 You can start by picking me up around 6-7, assholes.
Speaker 30 Desi.
Speaker 30 Love it slack, everyone. When we come back, Annie Lee LaMitch will be joining me on the show, so don't go away.
Speaker 2 On December 12th,
Speaker 3 Disney Plus invites you to go behind the scenes with Taylor Swift in an exclusive six-episode docuseries.
Speaker 34 I wanted to give something to the fans that they didn't expect.
Speaker 8 The only thing left is to close the book.
Speaker 3 The end of an era.
Speaker 3 And don't miss Taylor Swift, the Era's Tour. The final show, featuring for the first time the Tortured Poets Department.
Speaker 3 Streaming December 12th, only on Disney Plus.
Speaker 4 Deck your home with plans.com.
Speaker 14 blinds.com.com.
Speaker 4 TIY or Let Us Install.
Speaker 11 Funnel and Man the Blanks.com.
Speaker 26 Free design consultation.
Speaker 19 Free, free, free, free, free, free, free. Plus, free samples and free shipping.
Speaker 19 Take to blinds.com now for up to 45% off with minimum purchase, plus a free professional measure.
Speaker 2 Rules and restrictions may apply.
Speaker 2 Welcome back to the TV show.
Speaker 8 My guest tonight is a legendary photographer whose powerful new collection of career-spanning work is called Women. Please welcome Annie Leibovitz.
Speaker 8 I don't know how I got talked into this.
Speaker 4 How did we talk you into this?
Speaker 26 I still am trying to figure that out.
Speaker 8 This is, yeah, well, you'll be asking yourself for the rest of this interview.
Speaker 26 Okay. Well, just pick me up wherever I start to, you know.
Speaker 8 Oh, my God.
Speaker 26 Things start to fall out of the side of my mouth or something. You're kidding me.
Speaker 4 You are an absolute dream.
Speaker 8 You are a legendary photographer.
Speaker 26 Well, I love this show, and you're amazing. So thank you.
Speaker 4 And
Speaker 21 we're waiting for you to have your own show.
Speaker 20 Tell John that.
Speaker 8 Oh, did you hear that, Paramount, John?
Speaker 4 Paramount?
Speaker 8 I just want to make sure we were rolling on that.
Speaker 8 Annie's a legend, so we do what she says.
Speaker 4 Okay.
Speaker 8 That's very kind of you to say.
Speaker 8 Your work, it was so important to me coming up. I remember vividly seeing the Demi Moore photograph being very pregnant, and it was just the most jaw-dropping, exquisite photo.
Speaker 8 At that time, I had never seen pregnant women being shown like that. It was like always with a laundry basket covering their bellies as though it's a shameful secret.
Speaker 8 And there she was, just standing in her beauty and power and strength.
Speaker 26 We really didn't know what we were doing when we did it. I mean, quite honestly.
Speaker 26 In fact, I was sent out by Van A. Fair to do a cover, and and they said, well, unfortunately, Demi's pregnant, so you all have to come in tight and do what you can,
Speaker 26 do the best you can.
Speaker 26 And I happened to know Bruce and Demi and had photographed them before and done some private pictures of them when she was pregnant with her first child. So at the end of our cover sitting, I said,
Speaker 26 Do you want me to photograph you nude
Speaker 26 with the second baby? And she said, sure, that'd be great.
Speaker 26 And then I was looking at her and I was thinking, this is kind of interesting this could be this could be maybe if you cover yourself in the right places we get this could be a cover brought it back to New York and it was Susan Sontag actually who said this is really important
Speaker 26 and
Speaker 26 you know we went to Tino Brown and We made sure Demi was comfortable with it and we did it. And, you know, it was funny because we said, well, how do we talk about this? You know,
Speaker 26 what did we do? We didn't quite know what we did. And it turned out to be so important what's interesting is Rihanna of course yes who
Speaker 8 I mean you know I don't know if we have to pull that picture up we will we do we have I mean good god come on I mean you know I mean
Speaker 26 I mean you know she took it to a whole new place oh yes She did.
Speaker 8 Now, just so you know, when I was pregnant, I thought that's what I looked like.
Speaker 8
Turns out I looked like I was just having a severe allergic reaction for nine months. I mean, it's such a moment.
It's such a beautiful photo. No, I mean,
Speaker 26 first of all, she, you know, she
Speaker 26 announced that she was pregnant with her second baby at the Super Bowl, and then the third one at the Met Gala. So, I mean, the way she walks around, you know, it's so beautiful.
Speaker 26
I mean, she's so smart, such an interesting person. And I've tried to write about photographing her, but you just get sort of taken in.
I mean,
Speaker 26 she's really mesmerizing she's just she she's just an amazing person and it's what you pull out of your subjects too you're known for no no i feel like i'm dragged behind a car with with with uh oh come on you know with her she's amazing she's so smart
Speaker 8 you're you're known for doing an immense amount of research on your subjects what does that look like are you reading you've done research too i've noticed
Speaker 8 you've done a very good job well thank you that's very that's very kind but but how does that what does that look like for you when you do research Are you shadowing?
Speaker 26 You know, it's just,
Speaker 26 I don't understand why people don't think you don't do
Speaker 26
research. I mean, you have to.
I mean, you have to know
Speaker 26 who you're walking in to see and how they've been photographed before and
Speaker 26 who they are and what they do. I mean, I love, I always think I'm photographing
Speaker 26 not so much what someone looks like, but what they do and who they are, you know.
Speaker 8 The thing that I find as that's common in all of your photos, particularly in this book, which we're going to get to,
Speaker 8 is that you're not just showcasing a woman as being beautiful, and they are, they're all beautiful, but it's like you have a way of illuminating their superpower, whatever it is that they have, whether it be strength or depth or intrigue or a sense of humor.
Speaker 8 Is that something that is planned out for you or does that happen in the moment? Do you just have to be there to see it?
Speaker 26 You know,
Speaker 26 it's interesting because I'm not too sure myself, you know, what it is that I'm doing. I'm pretty direct and
Speaker 26 I stand on the shoulders of so many great portrait photographers that I have it in the back of my head how I'm seeing something.
Speaker 4 But
Speaker 26 I'm not alone. I'm like, I'm there with the other person and
Speaker 26 it's a very psychological
Speaker 26 situation. They have to sort of come to terms with themselves and how they imagine they want to be seen.
Speaker 26 I think we, especially as I get older, I really want us to look as best as we can look
Speaker 26
whoever we are. I mean, it's hard to explain.
I can't explain it.
Speaker 8 No, you did.
Speaker 4 You did.
Speaker 8 I want to talk about your drive because you talk about coming up as a young photographer, having a verve and this insatiable drive. Where does that come from?
Speaker 8 Is that because you came from a big family, one of six?
Speaker 4 Where does that come from?
Speaker 26 I mean, I think I just, you know, it sounds very corny, but I love what I do.
Speaker 26 And I've been doing it a long time, and
Speaker 26 I've had incredible
Speaker 26 vehicles to ride on, to work with, you know, starting with Rolling Stone Magazine and then Bannet Fair and then Vogue. And,
Speaker 26 you know, I just, I love what I do.
Speaker 26 I love photography more than anything in the world. And, you know, I studied, you know, Cardi Rousan, Robert Frank, and
Speaker 26 became interested in
Speaker 26 the world of
Speaker 26 Helmut Newton. And I mean, it's just a great.
Speaker 26 So
Speaker 26 I don't know. I just.
Speaker 26 My brothers and sisters seem to have the same problem.
Speaker 26 We're all very, very
Speaker 26 workaholics, I guess.
Speaker 8 Well, it's worked out.
Speaker 8 What was it like coming up as a young photographer
Speaker 8 being in a very male-dominated field, probably often being the only woman in a room?
Speaker 26 I wasn't really aware of it as much.
Speaker 26 I used it to my advantage because no one really took me seriously or thought
Speaker 26 that I could do anything.
Speaker 26
So you could kind of wander around. I mean, the early work was repertage and more journalistic.
And so you could really
Speaker 26
be somewhere, and no one really paid you any attention. And I love it.
And then, as I got better known, it got a little harder.
Speaker 8 You know,
Speaker 26 suddenly my subject was walking up to me and starting to talk to me. And I said, No, can you just please stay on the other side of the room?
Speaker 8 You do your job, I'll do mine. You could wear a mustache, just go undercover.
Speaker 4 You know,
Speaker 8
just a little disguise. I want to talk about this incredible collection.
It's a two-volume series.
Speaker 26 So I have an incredible publisher, Fiden, that lets me kind of
Speaker 26 do kind of what I want to do more or less.
Speaker 26 And what happened was Hillary Clinton had come to me over a year ago and said, we want to commemorate the original women's book from 1999.
Speaker 26
And then I thought, well, that's incredible. Maybe it's out of print.
Let's reprint it. And so I'm going to show you.
So
Speaker 8 we have some.
Speaker 21 It's too cool.
Speaker 8 It's also, not only will you feel strong looking through these photos but you actually will physically get strong
Speaker 4 it's a little
Speaker 26 you have you it's really important to get these get these babies out of the box yes
Speaker 4 build that upper body strength it's true
Speaker 26 but um so we reproduced and reprinted the exact first volume,
Speaker 26 which was you know with Susan Sontag. And you know, by the way, it's funny, but I wasn't too sure I wanted to do a book on women.
Speaker 26 I thought it was too
Speaker 26 broad of an idea, too big, too, you know, I didn't see how we could do it. And then I went out to Las Vegas and did those photographs for the showgirls.
Speaker 8 Yes.
Speaker 8
We have those. We can put them up.
Yeah.
Speaker 26 I know you have to rub out some parts, right?
Speaker 8 Oh yes, slight blurs.
Speaker 26 But what was amazing is
Speaker 26 it turned me around. I went back to New York and I said to Susan, let's do the book on women because we don't know what we look like.
Speaker 26 It was a surprise.
Speaker 26 So
Speaker 26 this book, we just totally shrunk it a little bit and we
Speaker 26 reprinted it exactly the way it is. It's kind of like a, it's not really a time capsule, but it's really a moment in time.
Speaker 26 But I thought, you know, why aren't we, why don't, I've done all this work since 1999 on women.
Speaker 26 I mean,
Speaker 26 never want to separate women from men. It's just that women's stories need to be told.
Speaker 26 And we have a lot of stories of men, and it'd be nice to have,
Speaker 26 we need more stories on women, which is why.
Speaker 26 Thank you.
Speaker 26 So look who I got to
Speaker 26 Gloria Stynem and Shimamanda.
Speaker 8
Shimamanda wrote a beautiful passage. Both of them wrote beautiful pieces for this book.
I just want to reference in the Showgirl series what was so spectacular about that.
Speaker 8 When you look at the photos, they're side by side.
Speaker 8 You have the woman, you have the showgirl in her makeup and her costuming and the version that she presents to the world, and then you have the authentic version of her. Both are beautiful.
Speaker 8 I would argue that the authentic is more intriguing.
Speaker 26 I think this is open to discussion, you know, because
Speaker 26 and, you know, because I know you were interested in
Speaker 26 has
Speaker 26 a photograph changed from you over time? And I think the showgirls, I think they still kind of, I'm still trying to sort of understand them on some level, but I met them the night before
Speaker 26
in their dressing rooms in their costumes. And they came into the studio the next day.
Susan McNamara came in first. And I said, this is true.
I said, can I help you?
Speaker 26 I didn't know who she was. I really didn't know who she was.
Speaker 26 And she was one of the showgirls. And so I just was so spellbound by the fact that the women came in
Speaker 26 out of costume and unrecognizable
Speaker 26 in their costume. So
Speaker 26 I don't think it's two different people.
Speaker 4 They're the same person.
Speaker 26 I'm still trying to sort it out, but it's mesmerizing to me.
Speaker 8 And that was the series that made you think, oh, this could actually be
Speaker 4 a book.
Speaker 26 Yeah, that maybe we could do this book.
Speaker 3 Yeah.
Speaker 8 And you also shot an incredible photograph of Michelle Obama. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 4 Yes.
Speaker 4 There she is.
Speaker 4 So,
Speaker 26 Michelle agreed to be in the book. And I got a call from her office, and she said,
Speaker 26 we photographed for the new book. And we got a call from her office, and she asked if she could wear jeans.
Speaker 26 And I said, sure, you know, and so I had no idea what we were, you know,
Speaker 26 sort of getting ourselves into. But
Speaker 26 she's so incredible.
Speaker 26 You know, I think she also told me she was just
Speaker 26
driving a car by herself now. And she was just really finding herself.
This is a woman that,
Speaker 26 the first lady that I photographed several times for the covers of Vogue
Speaker 26 during those eight years. So to see her as just sort of finding,
Speaker 26 refinding herself, it was really very beautiful. Very beautiful.
Speaker 8 Beautiful, very free, very liberating photo.
Speaker 8 And then one of your favorites, from what I understand, is the photograph of your mom.
Speaker 4 Oh,
Speaker 26 I end up talking about that because, you know, inevitably I get this question, what's your favorite photograph?
Speaker 26 And I don't have a favorite photograph really, but this photograph of my mom, which was done for
Speaker 26 the first volume. Yes.
Speaker 26 She's the age I am now and she was afraid of being
Speaker 26 older and she was nervous.
Speaker 26 She was afraid of being photographed. She was afraid that she was going to look older or be older and
Speaker 26 then we also have this
Speaker 26
problem in my family where my mother would always make a smile for pictures. So I was determined not to have her have her smile.
And
Speaker 26 so she didn't like the picture at first and my father said, I don't like the picture because she's not smiling, you know.
Speaker 26 But
Speaker 26 it's an amazing photograph over time because when I look at it, I realize it really feels like the camera's not there. And she's really like looking,
Speaker 26 you know, looking at you, there's no camera there. And I think
Speaker 26 that's...
Speaker 26 That's really what you want to achieve in a portrait is there's no camera there. Yeah.
Speaker 8 And I also love that you said that, you know she was sort of the life of the party and bubbly and charismatic but what you loved so much about this particular photo is that it showed her intelligence because she was such an intelligent
Speaker 8 woman.
Speaker 26 You were doing your research.
Speaker 21 I love that.
Speaker 4
I learned from you. I learned the best.
I learned from the best.
Speaker 8
This is such an incredible collection of beautiful photos. And this isn't it's not just celebrities and star athletes.
You have inspiring women from all walks of life.
Speaker 8 You have CEOs, you have a NASA mathematician, advocates.
Speaker 26 Can I say, if you get the opportunity, I wish I put it more in the front of the book, the bios,
Speaker 26 which are little haikus on these women
Speaker 26 in the new book.
Speaker 26 An astounding group of women.
Speaker 26 I mean,
Speaker 26 it could have gone on and on and on and on, and this is just a small selection, but there is a difference between, we couldn't have done this book 25 years ago, and we are really
Speaker 26 in this quiet,
Speaker 26 roaring confidence, as Chibamanda says. I mean, I just think we're an incredible set of people right now, as women.
Speaker 26 And it's much different from 25 years ago.
Speaker 8 Yes, that's reassuring to hear. And hopefully we continue to move forward and do not go backwards.
Speaker 8 Whatever the White House wants to bring our way.
Speaker 26
It's a tough time. It's a tough time, but that's what's interesting about Gloria's essay is she addresses that.
Yes. And she's lived a long life, and
Speaker 26 she said, We're not,
Speaker 26 I have to believe her, we're not going backwards.
Speaker 3 That's right.
Speaker 8
That's right. Which is the optimism that we all need right now.
I am so grateful for your work. Thank you for doing what you do.
Speaker 4
Thank you for being here. You're an absolute delight.
You name it available now.
Speaker 8 Annie Niebelman, We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be right back afterward.
Speaker 35 This episode is brought to you by Progressive Commercial Insurance. Business owners meet Progressive Insurance.
Speaker 35 They make it easy to get discounts on commercial auto insurance and find coverages to grow with your business. Quote in as little as eight minutes at progressivecommercial.com.
Speaker 35 Progressive Casualty Insurance Company, coverage provided and serviced by affiliated and third-party insurers. Discounts and covered selections not available in all states or situations.
Speaker 17 This isn't just a game, it's a once-in-a-generation event. The Harlem Globetrotters 100-year tour.
Speaker 17
Celebrate 100 years of high-flying dunks, 100 years of show-stopping moves, and 100 years of changing the game. Bring the whole family and be part of the legacy.
This game is once in a century.
Speaker 18 Be there at Chase Center on January 18th.
Speaker 17 Go to HarlemGlobetrotters.com for your tickets to the 100-year tour.
Speaker 8 for tonight, but before we go, please consider donating to One Simple Wish, a charity that grants wishes to kids in foster care.
Speaker 8 If you can, head to the link below to grant a wish or donate to their holiday wish fund. Now here it is, your moment of Zen.
Speaker 10 I told you, I was about to say that, you know, because I love the weave, the weave, you know what the weave is? You're here, bing, bing, bing, bing. You always have to get back to the right location.
Speaker 10 But otherwise, they'll criticize you for
Speaker 10 straying from the speech.
Speaker 10 By the way, if I read Fortune Teleprop, you'd all be falling asleep right now.
Speaker 7 Explore more shows from the Daily Show podcast universe by searching The Daily Show, wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 7 Watch The Daily Show weeknights at 11, 10 Central on Comedy Central, and stream full episodes anytime on Fairmount Plus.
Speaker 7 This has been a Comedy Central podcast.
Speaker 36 Save over $200 when you book weekly stays with Verbo. This winter, if you need to work, why not work from a chalet?
Speaker 36 If you haven't seen your college besties since, well, college, you need a week to fully catch up in a snowy cabin.
Speaker 36
And if you have to stay in a remote place with your in-laws, you should save over $200 a week. That's the least we can do.
So, you might as well start digging out the Lounge,
Speaker 36 because saving over $200 on a week-long snowcation rental is in the cards. Book now at Verbo.com.
Speaker 37
Time is precious, precious, and so are our pets. So time with our pets is extra precious.
That's why we started Dutch.
Speaker 37 Dutch provides 24-7 access to licensed vets with unlimited virtual visits and follow-ups for up to five pets. You can message a vet at any time and schedule a video visit the same day.
Speaker 37 Our vets can even prescribe medication for many ailments, and shipping is always free. With Dutch, you'll get more time with your pets and year-round peace of mind when it comes to their vet care.
Speaker 34 Go to Dutch.com to get vet care that is always there for just $92 a year.
Speaker 17 This isn't just a game, it's a once-in-a-generation event. The Harlem Globetrotters 100-year tour.
Speaker 17
Celebrate 100 years of high-flying dunks, 100 years of show-stopping moves, and 100 years of changing the game. Bring the whole family and be part of the legacy.
This game is once in a century.
Speaker 18 Be there at Chase Center on January 18th.
Speaker 17 Go to HarlemGlobetrouters.com for your tickets to the 100-year tour.