The Big Suey: Give Me That Plain Stick (feat. Lucy Rohden)

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Speaker 9 I see that Lucy Rodine

Speaker 9 is now radiant and just filled with super stardom. I am told by others that the sponsorship dollars are coming her way because people want to be associated with the Rodine brand.

Speaker 9 Why are you smiling, Zaszlo?

Speaker 12 That makes sense. I see she's a very busy young lady.

Speaker 11 I've never talked to her before.

Speaker 9 Okay, well, welcome to Zaszlo. You're meeting Lucy for the first time.
Do you guys want to tell each other anything weird about each other? Zaszlo is super weird.

Speaker 9 Zaszlo is a Zaszlo is a strange, strange person

Speaker 9 who doesn't own a coat.

Speaker 12 Well, because I live in Cooper City. Like, I haven't needed a coat.
And then ESPN springs on me. Hey, you're going to travel the entire country during college football season.
I'm like, okay.

Speaker 12 And then I learned not everywhere is the same weather as Cooper City.

Speaker 4 Did you get the Disney passes?

Speaker 11 Of course. Oh, I missed that.

Speaker 4 We have to talk later.

Speaker 9 Billy misses them so much. Oh, Lucy, welcome.
We will talk March Madness with you in a moment. But before we do that,

Speaker 9 I saw that you were loving all of the Ben Affleck guy. You have fallen in love with Ben Affleck, it appears to me, based on your social media postings.

Speaker 15 I'm not like in love with Ben Affleck himself. I'm in love with watching Ben Affleck's dating life.
He wakes up and he goes, hmm, what Jennifer is it going to be today?

Speaker 15 I don't think he's ever met a woman in his life not named Jennifer. He just can't decide between the two.
A few weeks ago, he said, hey, Jennifer Gardner, it's you again.

Speaker 15 I'll make it work if you want to make it work. And then she came out and she said, I don't want to make it work.
That's not true.

Speaker 15 Right after two weeks ago or a few weeks ago, he was like finally, officially divorced from Jennifer Lopez. And then like a day after that, they were like, just kidding.

Speaker 15 They're trying to make it work. He's back with J-Lo.
And then a few weeks prior, he was like, I'm done with J-Lo. I'm over J-Lo.
That's done.

Speaker 15 And then a few days before, he's like, I don't know, something good could happen with J-Lo. He just can't, he can't choose a Jennifer.

Speaker 15 And I know that he's going to spend the rest of his life jumping from Jennifer to Jennifer to Jennifer. And I can't wait to watch.

Speaker 9 Jeremy, why are you smiling?

Speaker 2 I was just thinking of how incredible Ben Affleck is in terms of his

Speaker 2 weird dating life and what Lucy said. The fact that he's just oscillating between these Jennifers for, what, like 30 years?

Speaker 4 Why is it weird?

Speaker 11 One Jennifer or another?

Speaker 2 I'm trying, Jennifer.

Speaker 11 They're good Jennifers.

Speaker 12 They're good Jennifers.

Speaker 5 They are good Jennifers.

Speaker 11 Well, not J-Lo.

Speaker 11 Whoa.

Speaker 11 I'm not a J-Lo guy. We've done this before.

Speaker 11 We've done this before.

Speaker 16 I'm not a J-Lo guy, all right?

Speaker 11 I don't have to be a J-Lo guy.

Speaker 15 Hey, let's just say something.

Speaker 3 Two minutes right here in the shipping container for trying to leave.

Speaker 17 What? Okay, I'm just going to ignore that.

Speaker 9 It just said leaving on the thing, and I thought it would be like him leaving, is what I thought it was going to say.

Speaker 11 What were you going to say, Lucy?

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Speaker 9 We got to do better than that.

Speaker 16 Billy, you saw what happened. I thought that was pretty good.

Speaker 9 Billy, you saw what happened. You made Billy burst out laughing.
How about you give us some good information and then attach a sponsor to it? Like, give us something on the Duke Baylor game.

Speaker 9 Give us some good information and then have it sponsored.

Speaker 15 Well, I thought the Jennifer information was really good, and that actually kind of hurt my feelings a little bit because that's something I'm very passionate about.

Speaker 11 Sorry, forgive me. I'm not worried about that.

Speaker 9 I'm at the good sports information. I'm sorry.
I should have.

Speaker 15 You know, I'm going to say jumping from Jennifer to Jennifer is almost a sport. I would agree that that might be true.
Duke Baylor, this is one of the games we went to.

Speaker 15 It was one of those things where I left being like, thank God I I picked Duke to win my bracket because it is insane how good they are.

Speaker 15 Even with Cooper Flagg and foul trouble early in that game, it is just like there was one point.

Speaker 15 Where Duke had this insane lob dunk and Jeremy Roach, former Duke player, I saw him close up, just look at Baylor, go, there's really nothing we can do about this.

Speaker 15 Like it was, Baylor had given up because Duke was such a dominant team. And this was following right on the heels of Florida-Yukon, where Florida was supposed to kind of cruise.

Speaker 15 That's also been the very popular pick to be the national champion. It is just remarkable how good Duke basketball is right now.

Speaker 15 And they kind of feel like the clear favorite for me to win the national championship through this March Madness so far.

Speaker 12 Did you show up for the game before also?

Speaker 15 Yeah, the Florida UConn one. Yes.

Speaker 15 I would love to live life never having to watch Florida try to shoot free throws again. Like, I think that would be really good for me emotionally and spiritually.

Speaker 15 It was one of those games where like it just the first half was like, oh my God, this is what you guys must feel like when I talk about Iowa football nothing is happening this is like why why are we doing this there's so much defense and there's nothing fun happening uh it gave me some some pause with Florida the free-through line issues are something that it's gonna you know haunt them if they continue to play the way they did I don't necessarily agree with Dan Hurley's take that they were screwed yeah Dan Hurley thinks they were cheating Dan Hurley's always thinking stuff he's a professional yapper but don't worry now that Dan Hurley and UConn have been eliminated from the Instability tournament, he could go on vacation.

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Speaker 9 We got to get better at these.

Speaker 16 She's killing it. It's so smart.

Speaker 11 She's talking about it.

Speaker 12 No, I like it. Just every few seconds, throw in the sponsor.
You're doing a fine job, Lucy.

Speaker 15 No, that was so seamless and beautiful. And I tied it into the basketball.
You said, no, Lucy, no more Jennifer talk. You got to talk about basketball.

Speaker 11 And I did.

Speaker 9 What is the best fan base you've encountered in your travels?

Speaker 15 I was actually very surprised by this one. We were in Lexington for day one and then Raleigh for day four.
So Lexington, day one, not a ton of great games there. It was just,

Speaker 15 it's been a little bit of a bummy March madness the first two rounds in the sense of like competitive matchups and upsets. But despite that, the Wofford Terrier fan base is electric.

Speaker 15 They were the wildest fans I've ever heard in my life. The things they were screaming at officials, I cannot repeat on this show.
It would not be safe for me to say.

Speaker 15 They were so much fun that I think we have to do off-roading at Wofford in the future because it was the, like, I was in shock. And they were playing Tennessee.

Speaker 15 Tennessee, who like notoriously has great, very passionate, very into it fans. Wofford, a different level, a different level.

Speaker 15 And they have the guy that does underhand free throws.

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 9 You're saying that the Wofford fan base is the most electric fan base you've ever encountered in all of your travels.

Speaker 15 In the sense that, like, obviously they're a much smaller fan base.

Speaker 15 I will say maybe aggressive is the right term. Louisville fans also quite aggressive.
They were an angry bunch.

Speaker 15 Respected that though. They were like, Wofford, I won't say is like the most amazing fan base, just because we do get to go to a lot of cool games, which thank you for that.

Speaker 9 Hey, and if you want to go to a lot of cool games, you you can download the game time app what time is it game time download the game time app and redeem code lucy not damn for 20 off your first purchase she's so good at this she's really good at it it's amazing she's good it's well this is why she's a rising star in the business that all the sponsors want to be around her uh billy you were very you were very excited by no it's just this the transitions have been seamless i don't know if you've even noticed this and the fans on youtube can notice it while she's doing new new spots that's the logo in the corner changes she talks about game time there's a game time logo there's a priceline logo there's a jimmy john so it's incredible early rounds in the women's tournament uh the the i found the men's stuff to be disappointing uh and i wanted more and usually the chalk in the women's tournament advances easily early on and that's not a lot of fun to watch I don't necessarily know if it's not a lot of fun to watch.

Speaker 15 I think that watching what UConn did to Arkansas State is fun in a sick, you know, sadistic, twisted way.

Speaker 15 Yeah, that tends to be sort of the case with the women's tournament.

Speaker 15 I don't know if it's just like the talent gap between the best teams in women's college basketball or the fact that it's, you know, at home venues, but I thought it was a pretty decent start.

Speaker 15 You did get one pretty notable upset in Kansas State beating Kentucky. That ends Georgia A.

Speaker 15 Moore's college career, and she was electric this year at Kentucky and was just must-see TV when she was at Virginia Tech. And so I thought that was a pretty big upset.

Speaker 15 That game went into overtime and ended up being a pretty good one. Kansas Kansas State, they are always a sneaky team.

Speaker 15 But I view it less of the sense where like the men's tournament, we're very used to the

Speaker 15 15 beating the two every year or something nutty or crazy happening. So you kind of have to take a different approach of like, you're watching the women's tournament to watch the best at what they do.

Speaker 15 Or like you're watching the men's tournament for like slop and upsets and craziness.

Speaker 15 And so I thought the good, I thought the first round, which is still going on today, there's still some more games happening, has been pretty good for the women so far.

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Speaker 9 I don't get it all.

Speaker 9 Can I ask you guys, because Zasla was mentioning, and we were talking earlier about his 16-year-old son.

Speaker 9 Do you realize there's a whole segment of people, as he was mentioning, that don't know anything about Charles Barkley's basketball career and don't remember anything about George Foreman as a boxer.

Speaker 9 Zaz's son is being introduced for the first time to David Sampson.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 12 my son's at an age at 16 where his friends, they're all on social media, and his friends say, hey, look at this clip. It's your dad on the Lebatard show, you know, the other day.

Speaker 12 And okay, you know, my son's not that impressed with it, but he, he then sees, he looks at the comments, you know, and my son said, he goes, I gotta tell you, the comments,

Speaker 12 people, people really liked you.

Speaker 11 And I go, just, it'll even out.

Speaker 12 All right, don't worry about that. And then he says, I'll tell you who they don't like.

Speaker 4 And I'm like, oh, okay, who he goes?

Speaker 12 That Samson guy.

Speaker 12 And so I laughed. And he doesn't know who he is, though.
I said, you know who David Sampson is? Like, he thinks he's just a personality on your show. And I guess that makes sense.

Speaker 12 You're 16 and David Sampson hasn't been the president of the Marlins in, what, seven years? Like, it makes sense. Like, yeah, he was a president of the Marlins.

Speaker 12 He swindled the city and got the stadium. Like, you know, everybody hates him.
They're cheap. Whatever.

Speaker 9 But he.

Speaker 9 Those were the Cliff Notes. Yeah.

Speaker 12 I mean,

Speaker 11 that's what you lead with, right?

Speaker 2 At $2 billion FEU.

Speaker 12 Yeah. So he has been introduced to David.
You know what they don't like? That Samson guy.

Speaker 9 What would you do if you are Cooper Flag

Speaker 9 with your future? Does anyone out here want to play at the bottom rung of the NBA ladder?

Speaker 9 And I asked this question watching that Charlotte team that has never played a meaningful basketball game. And I've watched Anthony Mason and Jamal Mashburn.

Speaker 9 That franchise does not know what it is to play a meaningful basketball game.

Speaker 12 Never even been to the conference finals.

Speaker 9 Well, but I mean, Michael Jordan, one of the great disasters in ownership, except for he makes money on his way out, but nothing good happened there the entire time he was there.

Speaker 12 They looked like they were onto something. Then Dwayne Wade murdered the guy in the purple shirt.

Speaker 2 Yeah, purple shirt guy ended everything for them. They were trending up for the first time in franchise history.

Speaker 12 Something was happening there, and then Dwayne Wade said sit chased down.

Speaker 9 Nothing since. That is kind of the history of it.
But Charlotte hasn't played a meaningful game since.

Speaker 12 Headband.

Speaker 1 That was crazy.

Speaker 9 And you're going to go play as Cooper Flag for a team worse than Charlotte?

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 12 I've talked about this a bit recently on ESPN radio with Cooper Flag, where we're in an age where, okay, he could make as much staying another year at Duke as he would his first year salary, almost as much maybe in the NBA, even if he's the number one overall pick.

Speaker 12 You enter the draft, you see the Wizards or the Hornets. These are godforsaken franchises, okay? I don't want to go play there.

Speaker 12 You pull out of the draft, you're going to go back to school with Duke, you know, because being the big man on campus, pretty awesome, really fun life, and you're going to make a lot of money.

Speaker 12 But the pushback that I've gotten, and it is interesting, the pushback that I've gotten is

Speaker 12 if you stay another year in school, you're delaying yourself another year of getting that first contract after your rookie deal.

Speaker 12 And that first contract by the time he gets there five years from now, I mean, it's like a 200-plus million dollar deal.

Speaker 9 The thing about money to me and these conversations that are most interesting is I wonder if I go back to retired athlete and say, hey, at 50 or 60, what would you pay to have another year of college before it became like the big giant business of pressure?

Speaker 9 Because one of the things that happens

Speaker 9 when you arrive at these kinds of successes and become an economy for things is that you get to the pros and now it's just a lot of responsibilities.

Speaker 9 You thought it was going to be fun, but you're running a business and you might like the playing.

Speaker 9 You're not going to like actually very much the practices and the shootarounds and all the meticulous sculpting in basketball.

Speaker 9 But if I gave anybody in our audience, how much would you pay to go back and have a year of college as Cooper Flag, not as yourself. Oh my God.

Speaker 9 Not as yourself, as Cooper Flag, what would you pay to have another year of that before you did, before you go become Kyle Kuzma and just start wandering around alleys in Washington because, you know, 9,000 people are watching your games.

Speaker 14 How about the kids that got drafted out of high school? Would you ask them, would you rather have gone to college instead of going straight to the froze?

Speaker 2 I mean, the reality is, is these endorsements are carrying over either way, right?

Speaker 2 So like you're going to make $12 or $13 million as the number one overall pick in your base salary, that you make $0 in your base salary in college.

Speaker 2 And all the endorsements that you're getting, the quote-unquote NIL deals, this is the same conversation we were having about Caitlin Clark last year about, oh, if she stayed at Iowa, she'd get all this NIL money but you're still gonna get all of the sponsorships that come with nil money if you're in the nba and wherever cooper flag goes like if he stays for another year What makes you guys think that the Wizards and the Hornets aren't going to be the two worst teams in the NBA next year?

Speaker 5 Draft is still once bad teams next year.

Speaker 12 Right, but it's a lottery. You know, it's not the NFL draft where the worst team, and they're going to be terrible again, and the worst team is going to be a lot of money.

Speaker 2 So give up $12.6 million. That's what the number one overall pick got this year in base salary.
Give up $12.6 million

Speaker 2 so that maybe next year the ping-pong balls go the right direction for you.

Speaker 9 Oh, no, but no, but and you get another year of college. It's why I'm asking you about the price.
I'm asking you.

Speaker 2 Why is college a fun thing for Cooper Flag?

Speaker 11 Like hanging out at Duke?

Speaker 17 Do you want to go to like Louisville and Blacksburg and Charlottesville and like all these other ACC places every week? Or do you want to play in the NBA?

Speaker 17 Like, I think, you know, it's probably, he's probably having a fun time because he's in college, but I think it would be more fun to be a professional basketball player.

Speaker 5 It's really cool being an NBA player.

Speaker 12 Like, he's definitely having a fun time in college, but it's not just about which is more fun being the big man on campus at Duke or being a professional player in the number one overall pick.

Speaker 12 It's about what is going to play for Washington or Charlotte going to do to my career.

Speaker 9 So let me ask you guys a different portion of this because I guess everyone's in agreement. Wow, the NBA seems like it's fun.
I'll get new friends.

Speaker 9 But I I want to just explore for a moment the idea that

Speaker 9 whenever I talk to these professionals who have made all the money, they talk about where their regrets are and how it changed from college to the pros in terms of money and responsibility.

Speaker 9 It may be different now because college was no money, and so a lot of them were broke together. And we can romanticize the Christmases that were terrible once you get to the good Christmases.

Speaker 9 But when I tell you that this group of people that I've talked to over the years always say that before it became a business, it was a different kind of treasure.

Speaker 9 And it's something I was doing with my friends where then I went to go work with my coworkers. What would you give for a year? Because it's not just big man on campus.

Speaker 9 It's big man on campus with your friends.

Speaker 9 And you can say make new friends, but I'm telling you, now you're wearing a lot of responsibility in the pros and you're not going to get away with the stuff that you were doing in college as the big man on campus.

Speaker 9 What's that worth to you, the dream? Because if everyone says they want to be a rock star and athlete so that they can, you know, get fame and

Speaker 9 sex and money, he can have all of that at Duke.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but he's an 18-year-old. It's not like he's finishing up his fourth year and he's choosing to leave a year early.

Speaker 5 Like he was a mercenary and he went to Duke and he's going to turn it down to go to frat parties. Like his dream is to go to the NBA, not hang out with the Duke boys.

Speaker 2 It's also like two of his teammates are going to be top, what, five to ten picks anyway. Also, they're going to leave.
So all the friends that he's hanging out with, that's going to change.

Speaker 2 And I would imagine he gets away with more at the NBA level. Like you're talking about all these things, oh, you could do and be the big man on campus at Duke.

Speaker 2 I would imagine the structure of being on a college basketball team is probably even more limiting than it would be playing in the NBA.

Speaker 20 Also, the hubris of somebody who's going to be the number one pick and has been the best player and has been told they're the best player for the last five years of their life.

Speaker 20 That idea is like, oh, I'm going to go to to Charlotte and I'm going to be the reason why they're good. I'm going to go to Washington and I'm going to be the reason why we're going to turn it around.

Speaker 12 That is true. These guys have that ego where they believe they're going to be the reason for the winning.
But man, like we were probably saying the same type of stuff.

Speaker 12 And I know injury plays a role, but Zion Williamson was supposed to be that guy. You're going to draft him number one overall and he's going to turn your franchise around.

Speaker 12 And it's like, hey, he's with an organization that, you know, has never really done anything. And now he's toiling away there.
And they're still kind of a garbage franchise.

Speaker 2 But But he made a lot more money because he left after being a rookie than getting hurt at Duke. Like, Cooper Flagg just got lucky that that ankle injury wasn't a lot worse.

Speaker 2 If he gets through this March Madness unscathed, this man has to go to the NBA draft because if you risk another potentially big injury like Zion would have had in college, then you never get that contract.

Speaker 2 That's what I was going to say.

Speaker 5 I mean, Zion escaped it. That shoe thing could have been a disaster for Zion.
Why would you risk getting injured in college for $4 million in NIL money when you can get a $12 million

Speaker 5 guaranteed base salary.

Speaker 12 Yeah, but we're talking about that like as if the career-ending injuries are a common thing. It's like that doesn't really happen anymore.

Speaker 2 It's one less contract, right? Think of it Jimmy Butler's a perfect example.

Speaker 11 It's one last year's

Speaker 11 career.

Speaker 2 Right, but at the end of Jimmy Butler's career here, right, he's getting one last contract at a certain age.

Speaker 2 If he were one or two years older, maybe he doesn't get that deal he just got with the Warriors because of an extra year of wear and tear.

Speaker 2 So by entering the league later, you're shorting yourself of one last contract. And right right now, the contract that they're giving out to a max player at 35, 36 year old is two years, $120 million.

Speaker 2 Imagine what that's going to be when Cooper Flagg is there 15 years from now.

Speaker 2 You might be missing out on that last payday because you didn't go for one more year of college where you can make $5 million. It makes no sense.

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Speaker 1 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 17 He seems like a not-nice guy, and he's always been a not-nice guy. I don't care for him, and I hope he has the day he deserves.

Speaker 11 Oh,

Speaker 11 Stugats. I hope

Speaker 9 he has the day he deserves.

Speaker 17 That's how I get people when they're really mean to me. I'm not like, go F yourself.
I'm like, I hope you have the day you deserve.

Speaker 11 It's a great

Speaker 11 question. It's a great kind insult.
Yes.

Speaker 17 It's beautiful.

Speaker 9 It's leaving it to the cosmos to sort it out.

Speaker 17 That's a less southern, bless your heart.

Speaker 9 This is the Don Lebatar Show with these two guys.

Speaker 9 It doesn't make, when we're talking about dollars and cents, this one is so interesting to me because if I ask hypothetical person X, Hey, you're going to have made $100 million in your life.

Speaker 9 Would you like to go back and have another year of something that felt more like childhood for $7 million, for $6 million?

Speaker 9 Would you like another year before the responsibilities? I'd just be curious what the answers are. I know what all your perspectives are.

Speaker 5 Well, you're asking all people who are retired, who already made all of that money, who are longing for a day that they thought was the good old days, and when they were in it, probably weren't so happy.

Speaker 17 Also, like, it's not playing

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 17 big-time college hoops at Duke. It's not something akin to childhood.
It is like a job.

Speaker 17 You're getting paid significantly less than if if you have that actual job in the NBA with a collectively bargained base salary. So it's not like, I mean,

Speaker 17 it's a lot of work. Like, you're going back to college to do a lot of work.

Speaker 17 And for someone who's been the best basketball player in his town and now it is college, he probably wants to play against the best basketball players in the world, which play in the NBA.

Speaker 17 It's why he was part of all the USA basketball camps this summer and was playing with Steph Curry and LeBron and practicing with them before the Olympics.

Speaker 5 Duke was a business trip for Cooper Flag. It wasn't like fun college time.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 9 I mean, that's awfully absolute.

Speaker 5 It's a stop on his journey. His goal wasn't to go to Duke and attend there for four years.

Speaker 9 Yeah, but you're doing it absolutely. I don't even disagree with you, but you're making the NBA huge fun at every turn.
I'm going to all these cities.

Speaker 5 I don't think Duke is fun, if I'm going to be honest with you.

Speaker 11 Probably not.

Speaker 5 You give me a list of places to go. Duke's not on it.

Speaker 9 It's, well, I mean, that's not the definition.

Speaker 5 You give me a list of places to go to have fun.

Speaker 4 Duke is not on that list.

Speaker 12 I guess what I'm getting at is

Speaker 12 Dollywood.

Speaker 12 if he declares for and he will if he declares for the nba draft and then you got the draft lottery at the end of may and the washington wizards win that draft lottery no one is sitting down and having just a conversation saying look

Speaker 12 you would be a year further away from getting that next huge contract but also let's consider Do you want to play somewhere where you're winning 25 games every single season?

Speaker 12 Is that going to make you happy?

Speaker 9 And just as this last point which one do you guys imagine is more fun just curious when you say playing against the best right now the person the lamella ball or cooper flag it can't be fun what

Speaker 12 the guys next year the NBA draft lottery is going to be won by a bad team also like what's the confusion here he's not going to be drafted by like the Lakers no there's a difference between a bad team and like a poorly run team Utah is a really bad team Danny Ainge knows what he's doing you know if Utah gets the number one one overall pick, Cooper Flagg is likely going to be in a really good situation.

Speaker 12 If the Wizards get the number one overall pick, he's going to be in a terrible situation.

Speaker 20 He keeps losing. All of a sudden, that ping pong ball for the heat.

Speaker 11 4%.

Speaker 11 Ethical tanking.

Speaker 4 Ethical tanking.

Speaker 11 Could have had Wimba Yama.

Speaker 4 You can't do that.

Speaker 5 Culture.

Speaker 9 Let me ask you guys something about changing viewing habits that I have not yet caught up to, and I feel bad about this, that this is still something that surprises me because of my old patterns.

Speaker 9 When Robert De Niro quietly appears on Netflix with a new movie, I don't understand a Robert De Niro movie appearing quietly on Netflix.

Speaker 12 It's getting panned, right?

Speaker 9 Well, Robert De Niro hasn't made anything good in a very long time, and it's why I wanted to ask the shipping container about what their assessment of Robert De Niro is, because I'm going to say it's been 15 years.

Speaker 12 Well, he's also on a show on Netflix, too, right now, right?

Speaker 9 Robert De Niro wants to work, loves to work, and I'm not even criticizing the end of his career because the work has not been very good

Speaker 9 and not to his standard as one of the best actors that there's ever been. But I don't know how you guys, when we talk about Charles Barkley, some people don't remember him as a player.

Speaker 9 We've now had enough De Niro movies that aren't any good that a whole lot of people might not know that De Niro's good.

Speaker 2 That's the guy from Meet the Fockers, right?

Speaker 5 That's correct. And Dirty Grandpa.

Speaker 4 Oh, my God.

Speaker 11 Oh, right. Dirty Grandpa.

Speaker 5 Do you think Robert De Niro would do an extra year at Stella Adler Studio of Acting?

Speaker 9 How do you guys think of Robert De Niro?

Speaker 2 I think he's cashing checks at this point, if we're being honest.

Speaker 5 Is he not? I mean, come on, he's 81.

Speaker 17 He was in a best picture-nominated film a year ago. Killers of the Flower Moon.

Speaker 11 Oh, yeah. That's not the one that's going to be.
He was like the lead kick in Leo.

Speaker 4 That's a Swiss ACE movie.

Speaker 12 That's respectable.

Speaker 9 You know what? It is true, but all of you forgot it when I was talking about it.

Speaker 17 I didn't. I just brought it up.
I think I'm also the only one that probably watched that movie because it was very long.

Speaker 19 Everyone told us not to watch it.

Speaker 11 It was even long.

Speaker 20 Remember when he tried to kick the guy and the Irishman?

Speaker 11 I think that's when I was like, ah, I'm good, actually.

Speaker 20 I'll go back and watch In Godfather 2.

Speaker 9 Zaslow, you weren't believing Hurley yesterday. Incidentally, just

Speaker 9 so

Speaker 9 Florida has empirically what is being rated by the people who do the analytics best, the best offense we've seen in the sport in a decade.

Speaker 9 Their free throws were a problem yesterday, and UConn stayed with them all game. UConn has been

Speaker 9 bad for them this season, and

Speaker 9 Hurley has been someone who publicly has shown us more of himself than we've ever seen, and he's got jagged edges. He's arrogant.

Speaker 12 He's brutal.

Speaker 9 He will be somebody that can be not liked in his pursuit of championships as people watch him. And yesterday, he leaves the court losing by two and is not, it's not a graceful exit.

Speaker 12 I mean he's leaving the floor essentially accusing the referees of cheating.

Speaker 12 You lost to the number one seed in the region, a team who

Speaker 12 only behind Duke. Everyone else is picking Florida to win the national championship.
You didn't lose because of cheating.

Speaker 12 I mean, this guy, they won the national championship the last two years, winning every game by double figures.

Speaker 12 I mean, all the games were, I think the closest one was UM, where they lost by, where they won by 13. That was like the closest game.

Speaker 12 And now, when they finally lose, he's accusing the officials of cheating, yelling to Baylor, I hope they don't F you the way they F'd us.

Speaker 12 And then he gets to the press conference, and with the crocodile tears, my God. Oh,

Speaker 12 he's a rough watch. Get out of here.
He is so unlikable.

Speaker 9 Crocodile tears?

Speaker 2 Crocodile.

Speaker 12 That means phony tears.

Speaker 9 Thank you. Thank you for the definition.

Speaker 9 Can you please play the sound of Hurley off the court,

Speaker 9 even though Zaz did a pretty good reenactment?

Speaker 12 Does he really hope they don't do that to Baylor? Like, he's thinking to himself, right, he hopes he does. Their season ended.
God,

Speaker 11 I hope Baylor doesn't have that happen to them.

Speaker 16 What's going to happen to Baylor?

Speaker 9 What are you laughing about, Billy?

Speaker 5 I mean, he's right. He's not thinking about Baylor at that moment.

Speaker 16 God, is Baylor gonna be okay?

Speaker 11 I hope I, I'm gonna, I gotta go tell him. I hope it doesn't happen to them.

Speaker 9 Get out of here. I like you leaning away from the microphone and just shouting, sort of belching out.

Speaker 9 The way you characterize that as how Hurley did it did not quite match the video. Because in the video, he's in a suit and he is walking with his back a little further back than it should be.

Speaker 9 And he's not helping Baylor or nor trying to help Baylor. He's just hissing in anger because his team was pretty close and shouldn't have been because they're not as good as Florida by a long shot.

Speaker 9 That was a 10-point underdog they were in that game. But when you lean back from the microphone and do it with the casual arrogance of

Speaker 11 Hurley, it's

Speaker 9 something that made me think of a conversation we were having last week about Elon Musk and likability. okay?

Speaker 11 He's not.

Speaker 9 Who are the people

Speaker 9 in sports who are universally likable? I know Seth Curry, many of you are tired of the storyline almost so impossibly sweet as if you've grown bored of how impossibly sweet it is.

Speaker 9 But when you think of likable people across sports, who gets to be the opposite of Hurley? Because I enjoy, obviously, the coaches. Pete Carroll's of the world are fine.
It's nice to be around.

Speaker 9 But I enjoy these people or hissing monsters of showing you their vanities, showing you their arrogance, showing you when they're pissed off that they don't care how it looks, that you don't like them.

Speaker 12 I don't like nasty people. I think it's a pretty easy way for me to sum up how I feel about Dan Hurley.
He comes off as a nasty man.

Speaker 9 He does, but he's a champion and usually we like that. We were fine with that.
I mean, he comes off as nasty. He was plenty likable the last two years before this one.

Speaker 19 Right, so what happened this year?

Speaker 2 He He was kind of a competitive asshole then, too, right?

Speaker 2 Like, even when he was winning championships, most people felt the way that Zaz does right now, which is like, hey, he's a great coach, and he's led them to this unbelievable run, capitalizing on, let's be real, a couple of the worst years in college basketball history.

Speaker 2 But going and winning back-to-back national championships, he just seemed like this kind of jerk toward everybody.

Speaker 12 But that was okay because it was masked with winning. You know, they went back-to-back national champions, and then they finally lose.
He's crying, like, actually crying on the podium.

Speaker 2 I actually found that likable.

Speaker 12 No, I found it fake.

Speaker 11 Crocodile tears. Really?

Speaker 20 Can you imagine him with a massive megaphone like being the Lakers' head coach and what he would be doing there?

Speaker 11 He'd be an awful NBA coach. He must regret that one.

Speaker 12 He wouldn't have made it through the first year.

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 11 Fire.

Speaker 3 LeBron would have gotten him out of there.

Speaker 12 Awful. He missed his window.
He'll never be an NBA coach.

Speaker 11 Never. I like that.

Speaker 12 I own that statement.

Speaker 9 Let's play for everybody the sound of Stugat

Speaker 9 not knowing what crocodile tears are.

Speaker 9 When we were at that Jay Wakefield event and a thousand people come out and we see the shipping container and they're on stage and they're like rock stars, you and me both had tears in our eyes.

Speaker 9 We're like mom and dad of sentiment and it's hard to get you to sentiment, man.

Speaker 6 I still want the end. It's almost what I want, but you're right.
That was a very emotional moment for us. To see those guys running that particular appearance was very.

Speaker 6 I'm telling you guys, you were on stage, Dan and I were both crying.

Speaker 12 Are you guys aware of this?

Speaker 18 Crying,

Speaker 11 like crocodile tears.

Speaker 9 We believe crocodile tears are fake.

Speaker 11 Crocodile tears are fakes.

Speaker 18 I thought they meant big.

Speaker 4 Where is the guy? I miss that guy.

Speaker 21 Start of the day, start of the day. It is yes, start of the day.

Speaker 21 Start of the day, start of the day. It is yes, start of the the day.

Speaker 21 Start of the day, start of the day, it is the start of the day.

Speaker 21 Start of the day, start of the day, it is the start of the day.

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Speaker 14 Enjoy responsibly 21 and over. For the first time in 1,102 days, UConn has lost a tournament game.

Speaker 10 Wow.

Speaker 9 Zaslow's anger and hostility toward Hurley,

Speaker 9 can you explain to me when I say to you, and you're right to make the correction, Hurley was the same person and you may not have liked it, but winning does indeed mask and especially the correlation that me we we make causation when one of these people is a jerk and we say well that's why he wins he's he's rewarded for it because look at the disciplinarian that that he is but uh i don't think that those are insincere tears i think that man cares so obsessive compulsive deeply that of course he would break emotionally and and wouldn't even want people to see that i don't think uh because of whatever it is his guards are about needing to be leader guy.

Speaker 12 I mean, wouldn't you think that the real person is the one who is caught candidly coming off the floor as opposed to the guy who knows I'm about to get in front of media and cameras?

Speaker 12 Okay, this is what I want to say.

Speaker 2 I believe the tears. What I don't believe is that he said he'll never love a team as much as he loved this team.

Speaker 12 Wouldn't you love a team that won that after?

Speaker 2 He just won back-to-back championships. Yeah, he's a liar.

Speaker 12 That one, come on.

Speaker 5 To Zaslow's point, when he didn't know the camera was on, he was behaving like a spoiled brat, screaming and cursing.

Speaker 5 And then when he knew the camera was going to be on and he had time to compose himself, all of a sudden, he's crying and he's saying, I love everybody so much. I'm this great leader.

Speaker 11 I hope Baylor doesn't get screwed like we did.

Speaker 20 You know what that was? Salesman. He turned the salesman.
We talked about it last week. All of a sudden, you're a head coach, you're a CEO, you're a salesman.
You know what?

Speaker 20 This guy cares about his team.

Speaker 11 They lost, but he cares.

Speaker 20 All of a sudden, I'm going to come into Yukon.

Speaker 12 And he cares about Baylor Baylor because he's worried that they're going to get screwed like they did.

Speaker 2 I feel like we're saying that Dan Hurley's a better actor than Robert De Niro.

Speaker 11 Wow.

Speaker 9 Zaslow leaned back from the microphone and shouted it like a man at a bar casual, a bar he sort of owns, casually being arrogant around others.

Speaker 11 Just, I hope, I hope they don't bleep you.

Speaker 9 Like the way they... They bleeped us, like loud enough for the refs to hear.

Speaker 9 He wasn't really doing it for us or the cameras, right? It was just the refs were somewhere behind.

Speaker 3 Well, no, he also could be doing it because he wants some NIL transfers, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Like in the transfer portal situation, there's somebody's eyeing on Baylor, like, hey, good luck out there. I hope they don't screw you like, you know, they screwed us.

Speaker 5 And then offseason comes, and all of a sudden, he's talking to them. He's like, I got two million dollars for you.

Speaker 5 If you want to remember when I was worried about you in the tournament, like, oh, yeah, coach, you cared so much about me.

Speaker 16 Boom.

Speaker 12 Remember, I was the coach who, when our game ended, our season ended, we're no longer national champions. First thing I thought of was, let me go seek out.

Speaker 12 Let me, where's Baylor? I got to let them know. I hope you don't get screwed like we did.

Speaker 9 There are many unusual things about the mysterious and magical Zaslow. Let me choose one.
Are you still someone who eats donuts that don't have sugar on them?

Speaker 12 I don't eat things with my hands that get messy. That's what it boils down to.

Speaker 4 So you're not a wings guy?

Speaker 11 No, no. No ribs.
No.

Speaker 12 And no ribs.

Speaker 16 No.

Speaker 11 All over the face?

Speaker 12 It's not worth it. Look like an idiot.

Speaker 13 Don't do it.

Speaker 9 No food that you would hold with your hand.

Speaker 12 That will make me messy. Like, I'll eat pizza.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 11 That'll get you messy, though.

Speaker 19 You're a saucy pie.

Speaker 19 What are you, two years old? You got a saucy pile of sudden? You got a little.

Speaker 11 No, no, it's a little.

Speaker 12 I'm an adult. I could eat pizza without getting messy.
But the ribs, the wings, it's not worth it. They don't taste good enough for the cleanup process that takes place.

Speaker 4 That's insane.

Speaker 4 You are a crazy person.

Speaker 5 We have both ends of the spectrum here because Jess doesn't eat certain things with like a fork and knife, by my understanding.

Speaker 17 I just eat everything with my hands.

Speaker 11 Good for you.

Speaker 9 Donuts, though? Donuts, if it has has sugar on it, you're not eating it? It's too messy.

Speaker 12 Just too messy. The icing, I don't do that either.

Speaker 16 Eh, icing's overrated, man.

Speaker 12 I don't eat icing. Like glaze? Give me, I love my favorite donut.
Okay, what you're getting at is my go-to donut. Every time I go to Duncan, give me that plain stick.

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