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This is the Dan Levatore Show with the Stugatz Podcast. Yeah! Welcome! Dan Levitard Show! A Friday morning, the 21st of March.
Good to have you aboard. I'm Jonathan Zaslow.
Alongside is my pal Mike Ryan., how are you this morning? Oh my god, I popped for that. There are local Zaslow marks in this market that remember hearing that.
I haven't done that in years. Been a little while.
I had to drag it out of you. You had a morning.
I had a, well first of all, it takes me forever to get here, so like, I'm able to, I'm able to accomplish a lot in the morning. Like, I got to get up early.
I don't normally get up early, okay? I'm on my own schedule. And I got up early today and yesterday, of course.
I'm glad to be back here with you today. Glad to have you back.
And yeah, so I was out last night. I was with my wife.
Sometimes you got to do date night, all right? You got to take the women out. You got to let them know that you still care about them.
First night of the tournament, though? Well, we went to a show, all right? So I made control over that. What are your thoughts on foreplay? Well, either you're good at it or you're not.
And I would tell you, if you're good at it, you don't need to brag. I mean, it is what it is.
But you also need to fight against certain allegations and confidently stand your ground. Some more than most.
Well, Jeremy, I'm proud of you. So I had some time this morning, which was great because I never miss a Florida Panther game.
Never, ever, ever. I record every game and last night.
You got TiVo still? You have DVRs? Remember how long we called it TiVo?

Yeah.

TiVo was the name to record something on television.

Dude, that usually means you stand the test of time.

There are different search engines there,

but people say,

hey, go ahead and Google that for me.

It doesn't matter what teleconference app you're on.

Hop on the Zoom.

Right.

It's like, can I TiVo this?

Was the lexicon in the lexicon forever until on-demand programming, I guess, and streaming. Right.
So like, it's like, can I TiVo this was the lexicon in the lexicon forever until on demand programming, I guess, and streaming. Yep.
So I never miss a Panther game. I mean, I'm beside myself.
I have to miss a Panther. I love that team so much.
I love you, Satya Barkov. And so I didn't get to watch the game last night because I got home late.
I was really tired. I watched the entire Panther game this morning.
All right. So I have a couple questions.
Which got the weekend start off on the right foot, by the way. You think I need that shit in my life to start a Friday morning if the Panthers losing? Come on.
We're in a good mood today. Barkov is your boy.
He was my boy last night. He was very good.
So the first question that I have is, were you able to avoid any spoilers? Of course. Yeah, yeah.
So it's easy to avoid the spoilers last night because it's on my mind. All right, the Panthers are playing right now.
Let's not check Twitter. None of that stuff.
But when I woke up this morning, the first thing I did, I go to the bathroom, I'm doing my thing, I'm on the throne. And so I'm scrolling through my phone.
Before or after coffee? No, before. First thing.
Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes you need the coffee to activate it.
Nope. I don't know what you got going on, but that's not the way I do it.
It's well chronicled in this show. So I'm scrolling the phone.
I'm like, oh, wait, hold on. I don't want to have the Panther game scroll up for me.
So then I put the phone away, and I'm like, let's put the Panther game on. So I had the Panther game on when I'm getting ready in the bathroom this morning to come in and look all pretty for all you guys.
And, yeah, I finished the like right before I got here this morning. So you fast forward through commercials, but you watch everything.
No, I didn't fast forward through anything, any of the games. So the whole game.
So you started your morning with a 0-0. Yeah, I watched 60 minutes of nothing.
Regulation tie. No scoring.
But it was a great game. It was.
It was as good a 0-0 game could be. That third period, the goalies stood on their head.
Great game. It was great.
You had the controversy with Jenner kicking in the goal. That wasn't controversial.
It was a very easy let's take away that goal. That's cheating.
Yeah, that's the rule. No, it's pretty obvious.
Look, it's always controversial when a goal gets removed off the board, but it was, you know, letter plain as day, that that was an easy call to make and the right call. But they go into the overtime with a four-on-three advantage.
Huge. Delay a game penalty in the third period.
Can't do that. It's cheating too.
The four-on-three is like the most difficult penalty to kill. It has to be.
When you start overtime on three, I know that there's know that there's five on three penalties but for whatever reason if you go up a man in that five minute overtime session it's pretty much lights out to kill that would take on not used to four and three power plays there's this there's this fascinating stat that got chalked chucked into our um our hockey chat yesterday that there are 70 uh 776 fewer power plays called this season at this point in the season than last. Why is that? Well, one of the prevailing theories is that teams have gotten so good on the power play this season in particular that it is such an advantage that...
So teams are being more careful and not taking penalties? Well, one argument could be teams are playing cleaner, but the other argument is the referees are taking note that giving a power play essentially gives another team a goal. So they're being judicious, more judicious when they call these things because it is such a huge advantage.
Heck, last night, the penalty at the end of regulation was just the fourth penalty called all game. Yeah, they've been calling fewer penalties, and I think the Florida Panthers, because they're reigning defending Stanley Cup champions, they're playing a lot of games that have playoff-like atmospheres.
Yeah, you're getting everyone's best punch every night. And the refs, they swallow the whistle in these games.
But if we are indeed in a new era of the NHL where the stripes are swallowing the whistle some, that benefits the Florida Panthers, who are an excellent 5-on-5 team great five-on-five team uh i i can't help but remember last year in the stanley cup finals when you would have the when you'd have the matching minors and you would have the four-on-four what a disaster it was like we were on the penalty kill every it was a disaster against that edmonton team every time that you had to go four on four. But yes, normally even strength is a positive for this team.
So my morning, my weekend got started off on the right note. I don't need to start the weekend with a Panther loss.
I'd have been in a terrible mood this morning, and I want to be in a great mood for you guys. So I'm ready to go.
I'm firing all cylinders here. This road trip hasn't exactly been the best for the Panthers.
And the schedule for the rest of the season, it's just... It's going to be tough on tomorrow, too.
Tomorrow, you've got Washington Capitals. Another back-to-back.
Ovechkin, now seven away from the record. I don't like that he's going to get that record, but it is what it is.
It's futile for me to root against it. You know he's also, like, third in hits all time? Yeah.
He's just a remarkable player. He's a bowling ball.
He's not Gretzky, but he's a good player. Well, he's about to be, at least for one of the more important aspects of the game.
He's not Gretzky. Well, his nickname is not the great one, but it is Alexander the Great.
Yeah, the great eight. No, they needed those points last night because you got Washington tomorrow, and it's, what are we talking? It's a two and three road trip so far.
Toronto within striking distance. Yeah, no, they're even.
I mean, they're tied with Toronto. Thankfully, there's been a recent dip in form, but they got that one, a comeback victory against Toronto.
One last Panther topic before we move on. And the reason why we're starting with Panthers is because he just watched a game this morning.
I'm in a great mood. Come on.
Defending Stanley Cup champions. And March Madness is March Badness.
We keep trying to tell you this. It's not a good tournament.
There's individual moments, but, you know, especially when the secret sauce, Tony, ain't coming through. There was secret sauce in a couple different games percolating what is the secret sauce white guys yeah yeah yeah that makes 2025 baby that's that's that's kind of always been the secret sauce for the NCAA always been always has been always has been gotta get a Cherokee Parks in there gotta get a Christian Leitner.
Got to get a Norman Osborn hairline

in there. A Jimmer for that.
Yeah, Jimmer. You need

the secret sauce. Roy, your thoughts?

Greg Paulus. Nah, I haven't watched

a single game yet, unfortunately. It's because

you're waiting for the secret sauce. Yes, I am.

We'll get to March Madness in a second, but I do want

to button one thing up

on the Florida Panthers because I think

you kind of got my ass yesterday on the

Brad Marchand thing.

Got that ass.

You got that ass.

Hey.

You got it.

If the people in the locker room are okay with it, I got to be okay with it too.

Right.

But I'm also an emotional fan.

I'm not getting paid by the organization to make this work.

I see his stupid face, and it conjures up all sorts of emotions, and it's going to be difficult to deprogram myself for that. He may have good moments in that red shirt that would that would help that would certainly help but I also think he's incredibly overrated at this point in his career.
I know he's a great playoff performer. 20 goal scorer so far this year.
I mean at 36 years old. Someone people got to get the numbers on that on that team.
Pasternak's going to get the numbers on that team. But Florida's way more loaded than Boston.
And I look at what my preference is. I think on merit, you could argue, and it's not going to be the case.
He didn't come here to be a third liner. But I think on merit, you could argue Brad Marchand, talent-wise, at this point in his career, would be a third liner.
It's all about fit and where you want him. I do kind of want to see the Bennett Kachuk thing just laugh at everybody because people are going to hate that line but roy are you with me on this uh no he's going to be straight up on the second line and that line is going to be uh oh i understand i understand he's going to be on the second line and the power play by the way he's going to help tremendously at this stage in this in his career if you tell me in a vacuum who would you like to see hit the ice a little bit more? Mackie or Brad Marchand?

Well, Mackie. I'd like to see

Mackie more. I think he's

far more effective. I think there's

probably an argument to be made for Verhage,

which I'm starting to regret

that contract a little bit.

Probably not the same. We've probably

seen the best of Carter Verhage.

I mean, that's not a hot take,

but it's certainly something I'm concerned about. I don't know.
Guys, you know, some of this stuff is random with the goal scoring. You know, it's not like the NBA where if you're in the prime of your career, you're going to have these numbers every single year, no matter what.
Like, it's a little bit like baseball, like that, where there's some randomness. You could be in your prime and you didn't hit for average the way you did the previous year.

It's like that in hockey, too.

You don't get as many chances.

But I text you the day after the Marchand trade.

I was like, hey, Marchand, crazy, right?

And Mike texts me back, I hope he's a healthy scratch every game.

Wow, man.

I don't like him.

Wow.

And look, I've never hated a hockey player more than I hated, I guess. Brad Marchand, never.
Never hated a player more. So it was really difficult to digest that they just traded for this guy.
And my whole deal was, I need to hear him say he wants to win a Stanley Cup with the Florida Panthers. I needed to hear him say that.
And he essentially did. He did on the Monday of the press conference.
And then on Tuesday, he's out there skating with Sam Bennett. And Sam Bennett posts the picture with the two of them and says, just a couple of scumbags.
And it's like, okay, well, if the guys – see, here's the thing where I say to you, if the guys in the dressing room are okay with the guy that they used to hate, don't I kind of have to be okay with the guy? And the difference is with hockey, you know, in football, when the Dolphins play the Jets, the Dolphin players don't hate the Jet players. The Jets players don't hate the Dolphins.
The fans hate, but the players don't hate. The difference in hockey is they do hate the guys in the other dressing room.
I mean, Ryan Lomberg who plays for the Calgary Flames now, they were playing the Tampa Bay Lightning earlier this season, says, I hate these effing guys. You don't even play for the Panthers anymore.
These guys actually hate the other guys in the dressing room. And so if they're okay with it, I kind of have to be okay with it then.
All right. Well, let me ask you this.
If you're a noted Heat fan, one of the most famous and celebrated Miami Heat fans in the nation, your face is first up on celebrity picks on ESPN. That's right.
Right next to Vital and Billis. Yep.
So you are a Heat fan of repute. Let's say Alan Houston came to town and wore a Miami Heat uniform.
Do you think he'd ever warm up to that? If Jamal Mashburn's cool with it, I'm cool with it. I'm actually not cool with Jamal Mashburn.
I'm not taking cues from Mashburn and what he likes and doesn't like. I'm not even comfortable with him sitting first row at the Heat games.
Would I have been okay with Alan Houston on the team? Yeah, I mean, I would have had to have been. What, am I going to root against him? It's not like he's a bad person off the court.
I was always rooting against Kyle Lowry. Always.
I did not like that. Well, obviously, I mean, I told you a million times.
I mean, I've never disliked a Miami Heat. It's very rare that I dislike a player who's on my team.
I'll find a way to root for them. And I actively disliked Kyle Lowry his entire time here.
It just shows you how terrible Terry Rozier has been, the fact that I'll sit here and tell you that was a terrible trade. But it also tells you how badly the organization wanted Lowry out, that they were willing to trade him for Rozier in a first-round pick.
I hated Kyle Lowry. So there isn't anyone in the Heat's history.
They've had storied rivals. People forget how intense that Pistons rivalry was.
Oh, yeah. I hated that team.
Oh, yeah. Like, if Paul Pierce came to town and wore a Heat jersey out.
Yeah, Paul Pierce, that's what I—I think that was the comparison I made with Brad Martian, where it had been like, if the Heat traded for Paul Pierce, and I don't want that.

You think I want to root for that piece of shit?

I don't want him on my team.

I will not root for him.

It's the truth.

That is the truth.

What I said was the truth.

Yeah.

Right.

And credit to me.

I'll tell it to his face.

He knows that.

Yeah, good for you for not backing down, man.

Was I here on a day that Paul Pierce was going to be?

You might.

Oh, I think David Sampson was grilling me about,

why would I not want to do a show with Paul Pierce?

Why would I?

How about Paul George?

Is he in that?

Who's in the pantheon?

I mean, Paul George isn't really.

Charlie Ward?

Charlie Ward was hitting me on multiple levels.

I hated Charlie Ward so much because he cooked Miami as a quarterback at FSU.

Well, and he pulled that dirty move on P.J. Brown.
I mean, he absolutely tried to undercut him. He tried to hurt him.
You know, there's no, I would tell it to his face if he was right here in this room. You tried to hurt PJ Brown.
Put it on the poll for Miami fans. Is there a special place in hell for Charlie Ward? And certainly Larry Johnson.
Don't like Larry Johnson. I'll never like Larry Johnson.
He was, he was, he was purposely trying to elbow Zoe in the face while he was wearing a face guard. He had a broken orbital.
That's a situation where the locker room wasn't okay with the player in there. Zoe and Larry Johnson hated each other famously when they were both Charlotte Hornets.
Yeah, there may have been something going on personally with the two of them know, I don't know. So if Zoe tells you you can hate on Larry Johnson all you want, like you'll never find yourself getting out of your seat.
I still boo Zoe. I hate Larry Johnson.
I still boo Zoe. What do you mean? Boo Zoe? Why? I will never let that go.
You know what he did. He knows what he did.
What did he do? Zoe's summer groove. Everybody knows.
He and Mackenzie Wieger both know what they did. Well, Mackenzie Wieger definitely knows what he did.
He definitely knows what he did. Bad defense, man.
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Don LeBotard. For weeks, months even, during the regular season, I wondered aloud what Kevin Stenland did.
And then about three weeks ago, it hit me. Stugatz.
He gives him one of these, and he gives him one of those. This is the Dan LeBotard Show with the Stugatz.
So you had date night, which means you, I guess, luckily, didn't watch any of the tournament games. The tournament games were kind of stinky.
The tournament was not good yesterday. It was not good.
I watched almost the whole day. It was not good yesterday.
Last year, we ran into this, too, especially with the first two rounds. We kept waiting for those moments, and then we had to wait a little bit later.
No, but you do get them. It evens out.
It's pretty likely you're going to get the Madness today since you didn't get it yesterday. We got Madness yesterday.
McNeese State beat Clemson. Will Wade is now leaving McNeese State.
Well, that's obviously... He's a Clemson guy.
That was a fun story. But Madness is buzzer beaters.
Madness is buzzer beaters. McNeese, they kicked their ass.
But they came all the way back. That part of it made it at least down the stretch.
They put a little bit of makeup on a pig there. They never had the ball with a chance to tie.
That's correct. But at the same time, those final few minutes, you're looking at the clock and going, oh boy, they might make it all the way back here.
I was happy as someone sitting on Clemson Live plus 12 and a half. But Stripes also kind of played a role in that too.
They were letting him play there a little bit. But there were no big shots.
There were no buzz abuse. That's the madness.
Because we didn't get it yesterday, I think we're going to have an overwhelming amount of madness today. This sounds like a toasted bracket update.
Who did you guys have in your brackets yesterday? Any big losses in your particular brackets? I'm going to be so bad at helping you out here. This is the first year I haven't filled out a bracket.
Good. I'll take the reins then.
Drake was the easiest call of the entire bracket, the entire March Madness. Bennett Sturtz and them boys.
He's a good player. Good player.
And what is he? He's got the secret sauce. Thank you.
Mike, when I said Bennett Sturtz, he was like, maybe, I don't know. I'm like, that could only be secret sauce.
Secret sauce, right? So Drake upset Missouri. I wanted to take Drake, but Taylor was so on Mizzou.
Taylor out here, like, everyone's taking Drake. I'm telling you, Mizzou's to play.
SEC, I'm telling you, this year, SEC. Dude, two weeks ago, Taylor told me Missouri sucks.
Whoever they play in the tournament picked the opposite. And I was like, okay, perfect.
Put that, compartmentalized it, moved over, saw Drake, saw Bennett's dirt, and I was like, oh, we're good. I mean, how happy was Taylor yesterday with the SEC? I mean, Georgia's down 30-5.
Yeah, but he hyped up Louisville for everybody, and they got their asses kicked by Creighton. It wasn't a great day for the ACC.
Creighton, another secret sauce. Creighton.
I know you just did the dismissive, huh, Jeremy? We do this every morning. I guarantee you there's going to be an ACC team in that Final Four.
There always is. We're going to look at the lay of the land.
The SEC teams will end up cannibalizing each other, and then we'll realize that the narrative is – look, NC State made it, and they were crap last year. They made it to the Final Four as an ACC team.
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Order one today. So, Zaz, you mentioned you had date night.
What'd you do? Yeah, sometimes you gotta take the old girl out. You gotta let her know you care.
And so I took her right across the street here. We went to MJ on Broadway, the Michael Jackson show that's at the R Center.
How do you feel about that? I thought it was fantastic. I feel good.
Are you asking me if I feel morally weird about it? You know, it's complicated. I've long maintained, he kind of went at a good time.
He died at a good time. Yeah, I'm telling you.
You mean for him? Advantageous for him? Yeah, look, in retrospect, good way to go out good time to go out that was before a lot of stuff like it was percolating again people forget like he was back in the headlines i guess it's it's kind of strange i like they they danced around it the entire show like the whole show is he's it's it's them putting together the dangerous tour and he's being interviewed by m throughout it. So you're going through the timeline of his life leading up to the Dangerous Tour, which was in the mid-90s.
And they dance around that stuff where several times throughout the story, it's, do you hear what they're saying about me in the media? Oh, really? Yeah, that was the line every time. Do you hear what they're saying about me in the media so that's the elephant in the room yeah they never actually they don't give any details it's just they're saying things about me in the media well that's how you get it approved by the estate right that's how you gotta go about things i i loved it though the place was packed man it's got incredible music incredible music incredible yeah i the way that i usually, because if you try to, it's like whack-a-mole.
If you try to die on a certain hill morally when it comes to music, you don't even know where half of your hypocrisies are. Especially with legacy acts.
Is there anyone more controversial than him? I mean, I guess you could say Diddy now. Probably.
I bet you Diddy's like, well, looking at Michael Jackson being like, he never had to deal with this. I mean, he dealt with some of this, but he never had to deal with it.
He never had to deal with it. Right.
And it's certainly not a contest. But we agree, Diddy's losing.
Diddy's losing, though. Right, right, right.
But the things that Michael Jackson was being accused of is like the most heinous shit. Yeah, but Diddy's also being accused of that, too.
Oh, is that right? It's full scope for Diddy. It's all over the place.
Okay. He cast...
Again, not a competition. Allegedly quite a wide pervy net he casted.
Yeah, I don't know. I never know how to feel about the Michael Jackson stuff.
Like, Michael Jackson comes on the raid, and I'm like, oh, this song is amazing! Turn it up! And then it's like, I never know how to feel about it. I don't request the songs.
I don't play them on touch tunes. But if it's on, you know, don't stop until you get enough.
I still haven't gotten enough. Every song is...
The wide Pervynet, the worst of all the Nets. Yes.
Well, Brooklyn, pretty terrible. It hasn't worked out for that franchise since they moved, no doubt.
But Pervynette is worse than Brooklyn. I don't know, man.
That place was packed last night. I know they're doing a bunch of shows at the R Center there.
It seems like people are into it. So I don't think I have to feel bad morally.
No, you don't. And I'm not here.
I was just curious because the way that I govern it, I'm a huge Bowie guy. He's got some stuff.
I'm a huge Prince guy. He's got some stuff.
I think there is something to be said for a sheer magnitude. Like with Deshaun Watson, I was rooting on teams that had players that had some of that stuff surrounding them, like Kareem Hunt.
When Kareem Hunt scored a touchdown, I was like, yay, go Browns. When they acquired Deshaun Watson, I was like, I'm out.
That's very tough. There is like a sheer magnitude to it that is just unavoidable.

But the way that I go about it is,

I don't think I feel like listening to Diddy today.

I don't think I feel like listening to Ryan Adams today.

I still listen to Bowie.

So I'm wearing my conflicts out here.

And it's not a black and white issue.

It's very difficult.

Do what comes to art.

Don't matter if you're black or white.

But here, like Kanye, I don't feel like hearing a Kanye. And Kanye kanye was one of my favorite artists why what happened with kanye i have so many yeezys in my closet and it's just like he dropped bully by the way they're so comfortable too yeezys damn i love the way that the shoe looked in joggers and i'm like i think i just got to throw them out at this point remember like he was starting like He got that.
What size are you? Hold on. What size are you? What size are you? 13? What size are you? Adidas school, as you know.
No, I don't know why I'm waiting so long. I'll probably donate them, have them go to a good cause.
But I can imagine someone's like, I can't do this. This is bad for my brand.
Maybe your local GCC. Bad for the brand.
But he's cooked. He's cooked.
But if I hear power, if like someone's coming up to bat and they use power in the background, I'm like, interesting choice, but this will forever slap. I'll be clapping along.
It's just tough. It's hard because of his mental illness and because of, how different he is now.
I think it's almost easier to silo away, like, oh, before he lost his mind, like, college dropout, I Miss the Old Connie became a meme. And people have such a relationship with some of that older music that I get why it's hard for people to disassociate their love and what they felt in that era.
Graduation is one of the best albums of all time. And you're stuck there like, oh, he made Graduation, but then he does all that stuff.
His fingerprints were across

like 25 years of hip hop, not just as a rapper, but when it comes to production, where do you

draw the line? Like, I'm going to stop listening to Jay-Z now. I'm going to stop listening to

Kanye produce tracks. I mean, I think you draw the line? I'm going to stop listening to Jay-Z now.
I'm going to stop listening to Kanye produce tracks.

I think you draw the line when they're a super shitty person,

which seems to be the case with Kanye,

but as opposed to even Diddy.

Diddy's being accused of things, okay?

You could assume it's true, whatever.

I mean, Osama bin Laden's attorney was like,

I can't do this.

Osama!

But Kanye is like, there's no, they're not accusations. No, he's doing it to himself.
Right, right. It's right there.
Yeah, he's got a swastika medallion. He's doing swastika.
It's happening. It's right there in front of us.
So I think there's a major difference there. Yeah, no doubt.
Mike Schur handled this well in his book, How to Be Perfect perfect where he talked about sort of separating the art from the artist and the way that that he sort of drew the line ultimately after going through the different philosophical conversations was if you were a fan of someone whether it was growing up or into adulthood or whatever and then you learn these things about them it's making the choice all right i'm not going to consume anything new that sounds like michael jackson right and michael

jackson is is a good example of that where hey i i listened to all of this music growing up it was

a part of my childhood i associate it with these positive memories that i have xyz and so if they

were to somehow find an unreleased album and then try to profit off of that now, no, I'm not going to, well, that would be the lie. I'm following Schur's line there because it's been an easy, oh, someone finally did this for me.
I have direction as to how maybe I can morally justify one way or another. There are just Ryan Adams is actually a wonderful example, Mike, of like, there's there's some of that older music that you know what damn good music maybe i want to go back and listen to it it was a you know you have whatever association with that artist but now you know that these things have happened maybe you make the line of demarcation whenever those events happened maybe you make the line of demarcation once you've learned about it it's complicated.
It's why the art versus artist conversation is one that no one's really been able to solve. That's just people trying to make themselves feel better.
Yeah, that's all it is. That's all of this, right? It's all the old stuff, I promise.
I won't listen to anything new. That's the whole thing here is trying to find that line.
I think a lot of people are having such a difficult time trying to think for themselves on this one that they welcome someone doing the thinking thinking for them and i it's like the book's name in terms of sanctimony is called how to be perfect where they try to work through all of these scenarios and i i didn't actually like i've kind of pieced together because i've heard a lot of podcasts on this and i kind of piece together for me it's just what do i feel like listening to there will probably be a day where I want to listen to Ryan Adams it hasn't quite happened are you saying Brian Adams or Ryan I will always want to listen to Brian okay because I was like summer 69 is a banger I was like what did he do I didn't I haven't seen anything about Brian Adams that's something that he did for John Juan DeMarco are you are you listening to morality podcasts is that what you're saying no no no I'm Podcast. Oh, gotcha.
Also, the Ryan Adams thing, it's probably unfair to lump him in with all these other names. Again, sliding skills.
Again, not Brian Adams. Well, Ryan Adams was, first and foremost, an asshole.
And then accused of grooming. And there were think pieces written on him.
All right, we don't like that. He used to be married to Mandy Moore, I think.
and she had some not so nice things to say about him but allegedly everyone kind of knew that ryan adams was a jerk in fact there's this great book on the early 2000s rock scene called meet me in the bathroom uh that whole like early 2000s alt rock scene that was born out of new york and it's kind of and this was before ryan adams got canceled is basically everyone all these addicts just putting all their problems on ryan adams like he was the foil of the book and i kind of felt bad for him there it's like okay this is very clearly the strokes narrative they're not taking any ownership of their own actions ryan adams is like what the hell i just opened a door and this guy was asking me for heroin like i i guess it's my fault too right so i did kind of feel him, and then all the other stuff came out. This is the most Ryan Adams talk that's ever happened on this podcast.
Again, Summer of 69, we're good. Just make it sure.
I can't stop listening to that when it comes on. That is Brian Adams.
Different Adams, not related. One of them's a Canadian.
Brian had to be like, oh, come on. Come on, Ryan.
Me and you. We're in this together a little bit.
Brian Adams has always mattered way more. Brian Adams today mattered more than Ryan Adams on his best day.
If there was a Christian Cody out there, you gotta keep it clean, pal, because we're associated with each other. Okay, I can't have you out here grooming people.
There was a huge Slater scoop. Locally, people know what that means.
But this one was shocking. Roy, what happened? What happened? There's no way Roy didn't see it.
I missed it. What happened? WSVN.
Oh! Oh, yes! WSVN is going to become an ABC affiliate. We haven't had an affiliate change in, what, 30 years when Flaupti came six? Yeah, remember they swapped.
I was there for that. That was a big one.
That was the big one. Yeah, it was like a midnight swap.
That was more than 30 years when four became six yeah remember they swapped i was there for that

was a big one that was the big one yeah it was it was like a midnight that was more than 30 years ago that was a big one that was a huge 24 going on during snl and on midnight like they switched yeah i believe for was for was channel six and and tvj was channel four yeah and they switched places. It was a big deal.
But locally in this market, the FOR, the CBS affiliate, and the NBC affiliate are O&Os, owned and operated by the network. So those will never flip unless there's a sale of some sort.
So this leaves PLG in a precarious situation. You would assume that...
Well, it's a situation they chose, by the way. Well, yeah, they got outbid, which is crazy because some beam...
I think some beam... Well, no, they're saying that they chose, like, hey, this is too much money, we're not interested.
So what is PLG going to do? I don't know. Because right now, SVN is going to be both Fox and ABC.
That's what's really wild. So the way that I understand...
Okay, so this is confusing, though, right? For people who we want to watch sports, all right? ABC is Monday Night Football and NBA on ESPN on ABC. You know, there's stuff that we want to watch.
The Oscars. And so over the air, it's going to be on like the auxiliary channel, 7.2.
That's right. All right? When you're watching over the air.
It's like 104.3 HD2? That's exactly what it's like.

Locally, there's like two CWs now.

That's exactly what it's like.

But here's the thing.

I don't know about you guys.

I don't watch over the air.

I have streaming.

And so I'm confused as to how I'm going to get ABC on my streaming subscription.

This is a huge problem when it comes to the local channels and streaming. But let me put everyone at ease.
We will still have Will Manso. Oh, thank God.
Actually, can someone text Will Manso? Because I have questions about what this means for us locally. I just saw a post, and I didn't read all of it, but I just saw somewhere in there I'm sticking around.
They'll still have local programming and local news. So are they just going to come up with their...
They're going to produce some of their own local shows? They're going to be like Whammy on Miami. For those, like, I know I'm dating myself with that, but Whammy was trying to sprout out in the network game as an independent, get all these shows that, these talk shows that were available for syndication.
Neil Rogers had his show simulcast on Whammy on Miami, and they actually had local sports rights too. They had the Marlins and they had the Miami Heat.
Whammy had the Heat road games, because back then home games and road games were different channels for our local teams, and ESPN's Mark Jones was the sideline reporter for the Heat on Whammy. Sports Sound.
Jonesy. Do you remember Sports Sound? Absolutely.
Yeah, during the NBA lockout, they had to chain up the basketball court that was behind them. I loved Whammy on Miami, Whammy Kids.
That's where you got your Fox afternoon cartoons on the weekdays. What am I asking, Will? What is going to become of WPLG? What's the move here? From a programming standpoint, what's on primetime on PLG? Are they going to make a play for local sports? You probably can't say that.
He's probably got some conflicts. part is interesting right like they could be a player locally right does WPLG decide that their money is more worth it to try to do something similar to what's happened with the Panthers here yeah they probably wish this happened a year ago right yeah no doubt they would have been a player on sure on the Panthers but I'm just curious that the decision for WPLG, a legacy channel, a channel that matters down here, to make the decision we are not going to be affiliated with a network anymore.
And it's a pretty big network. ABC, they got a lot of big stuff.
ABC, good channel. ABC, good channel.
ESPN's getting a Super Bowl, which will be simulcast on network ABC. That is a decision that PLG made.
WPLG, I'm just going to read based off of what their article says on their website about these negotiations. Get some good spin.
Let's hear it. This is what they have to say, is that after months of negotiations between the Berkshire Hathaway-owned television station and the network, the two parties could not reach an agreement to extend the affiliation agreement.
And as a result, ABC will pull its programming effective August 1st. Quote, we made a generous offer to ABC, but it became clear the two sides were not going to agree on a new deal.
This is according to WPLG CEO and President Burt Medina. Quote, broadcast television stations across the country have announced massive layoffs in recent years.
WPLG is proud that we've not had layoffs, but it became clear that if we accepted the deal ABC was proposing, we too would have been forced to lay off employees in order to pay the hefty price the network was demanding. And they went on to basically say that at this point, the network TV model in association with local TV isn't quite as beneficial as it used to be because you can stream so many of these programs on streaming services.
So the benefit used to be, oh, people have to watch us on ABC to watch, say, the NBA finals or things like that. But now that there are all of these sort of alternate channels that you can get through streaming, they're saying that the benefit is no longer there.
Yo, just tell me how I can watch my shows. Super confusing.
I feel like if you're not in the industry, you're just like, what are you guys talking about? Yeah, I know that this show has national appeal. This is more locally geared.
We have a local icon here, a local luminary in Jonathan Z and jonathan zaslow and i'm curious like what the uh i am curious at uh what the strategy is for plg going forward do they lean hyper local do they because there's still a place people watch people channel surf and when watch conventional networks dude you put on a fishing show and somebody will watch it fishing report south flor, South Florida Fishing Report, if you get them on PLG, everybody's going to watch. Do they just go...
Do they still have Jeopardy? It says they're going to have, quote, a massive expansion in local news and other local programming. They're claiming that the money that they would have been spending on paying ABC to be their affiliate, They're going to invest locally on new programming and things.
Should we? Should we? We should be on PLG. I was just going to say, yes.
Why don't we put together a little show? Should we be there? The boys are on PLG. Sportsman? Talking sports? Yeah.
I'm with it, man. I'm being told they're keeping Jeopardy.
All right. Good job.
Good job. Wait a second.
Can we be on PLG? Let's just lean hard local because I'm more inclined to watch PLG if they're like, hey, we ditched a network. We're here for you.
I'm turning away from the newsplex. If somebody wants to talk over there, you look at his face.
You put me on WPLG. That's bad news for all your networks.
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