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Speaker 3 This is the Dan Lebatar Show with the Stoogats Podcast.

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Speaker 1 Welcome!

Speaker 3 Dan Lebatard Show of Friday morning, the 21st of March. Good to have you aboard.
I'm Jonathan Zaszlo, alongside is my pal Mike Ryan.

Speaker 1 Hello, how are you this morning? Oh my god, I popped for that. There are local Zaslow marks in this market that remember here and that.

Speaker 3 I haven't done that in years.

Speaker 1 It's been a little while. I had to drag it out of you.
You had a morning.

Speaker 3 I had a well, first of all, it takes me forever to get here. So, like,

Speaker 3 I'm able to accomplish a lot in the morning. I got to get up early.
I don't normally get up early, okay? I'm on my own schedule. And I got up early today and yesterday, of course.

Speaker 3 I'm glad to be back here with you today. Glad to have you back.
And yeah, so

Speaker 3 I was out last night. I was with my wife.
Sometimes you got to do date night, all right? You got to take the women out. You got to let them know that you still care about them.

Speaker 1 First night of the tournament, though?

Speaker 3 Well, it was, we went to a show, all right? So I am in control over that.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts on foreplay?

Speaker 3 Well, either you're good at it or you're not. And I would tell you, if you're good at it,

Speaker 1 you don't need to brag. I mean,

Speaker 1 it is what it is.

Speaker 1 But you also need to fight against certain allegations and, you know, confidently stay in more than most well jeremy i'm proud of you so i i i had some time this morning which was great because i never miss a florida panther game never ever ever i record every game and and last night you got ti vo still you have dvrs remember how long we called it tivo yeah it's like tivo was the name to record something on television dude that that usually means you stand the test of time like there are different search engines there but people say hey go ahead and google that for me even it doesn't matter matter what teleconference app you're on, hop on the Zoom.

Speaker 1 Right. So, like,

Speaker 1 it's like, can I Ti-Vo this was the lexicon in the lexicon forever until on-demand programming, I guess, and streaming. Yep.

Speaker 3 So, I never miss a Panther game. I mean, I'm beside myself if I have to miss a Panther game.
I love that team so much. I love you, Sasha Barkoff.
And so,

Speaker 3 I didn't get to watch the game last night because I got home late. I was really tired.
I watched the entire Panther game this morning.

Speaker 1 All right, so I have a couple questions.

Speaker 3 Which got the weekend start off on the right foot, by the way. You think I need that shit in my life to start a Friday morning of the Panthers losing? Come on, we're in a good mood today.

Speaker 1 Barkoff was your boy.

Speaker 3 He was my boy last night. He was very good.

Speaker 1 So the first question that I have is, were you able to avoid any spoilers?

Speaker 3 Of course. Yeah, yeah.
So it's easy to avoid the spoilers last night because it's on my mind. All right, the Panthers are playing right now.
Let's not check Twitter. None of that stuff.

Speaker 3 But when I woke up this morning, the first thing I did, like I go to the bathroom, I'm doing my thing. I'm on the throne.
And so I'm scrolling through my phone before or after coffee.

Speaker 3 Uh, no, before, first thing, really, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Sometimes you need the coffee to activate.

Speaker 3 Nope, I don't know what you got going on, but that's not the way I do it.

Speaker 1 And so chronicled on these in this in this show. So I'm scrolling the phone, like, oh, wait, hold on, I don't want to have the Panther game spoiled for me.

Speaker 3 So then I put the phone away, and I'm like, let's put the Panther game on.

Speaker 3 So I had the Panther game on when I'm getting ready in the bathroom this morning to come in and look all pretty for all you guys. And yeah, I finished the game like

Speaker 3 right before I got here this morning.

Speaker 1 You fast forward through commercials, but you watch everything. So you started.

Speaker 3 No, it didn't fast forward through anything, any of the games.

Speaker 1 So the whole game. So you started your morning with a 0-0.
Yeah, 0-0. I watched 60 minutes of nothing.
Regulation.

Speaker 3 No score.

Speaker 3 But it was a great game. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
It was as good a 0-0 game could be.

Speaker 1 That third period, the goalies stood on their head. It was a great game.
It was great. You had the controversy with Jenner kicking in the goal.

Speaker 3 That wasn't controversial. It was a very easy, let's take away that goal.

Speaker 1 That's cheating. Yeah, that's the rule.
No, it's pretty obvious.

Speaker 1 Look, it's always controversial when a goal gets removed off the board, but it was, you know, letter of the law, plain as so easy, plain as day, that that was an easy call to make on the right call.

Speaker 1 But they go into the overtime with a four-on-three advantage, which,

Speaker 1 Roy, I delay a game penalty in the third period. You can't do that.

Speaker 3 That's cheating, too.

Speaker 1 The four-on-three

Speaker 1 is like the most difficult penalty to kill. Right?

Speaker 1 It has to be.

Speaker 1 When you start overtime on three and three, I know that there's five-on-three penalties, but for whatever reason, if you go up a man in that five minute overtime session it's pretty much lights out to kill that what teams are not used to four on three power play there's this there's this fascinating stat that got chalked uh chucked into our um our hockey chat yesterday that there were 70 uh 776 fewer power plays called this season at this point in the season than last why is that well one of the prevailing theories is that teams have gotten so good on the power play this season in particular that it is such an advantage that so teams are being more careful and not taking penalties well one argument could be teams are playing cleaner but the other argument is the referees are taking uh taking note that giving a power play essentially gives another team a goal so they're being judicious more judicious when they call these things because it is such a huge advantage

Speaker 1 last night the penalty at the end of regulation was just the fourth penalty called all game yeah they've been calling fewer fewer fewer penalties and i think the the florida panthers because they're reigning reigning defending Stanley Cup champions, they're playing a lot of games that have playoff-like atmospheres.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you get everyone's best punch every night.

Speaker 1 And the refs, they swallow the whistle in these games.

Speaker 1 But if we are indeed in a new era of the NHL where the Stripes are swallowing the whistle some, that benefits the Florida Panthers, who are an excellent five-on-five team.

Speaker 3 Grade five-on-five team.

Speaker 3 I can't help but remember last year in the Stanley Cup finals when you would have the

Speaker 3 matching minors and you would have the four-on-four.

Speaker 1 What a disaster.

Speaker 3 It was like we were on the penalty kill. It was a disaster against that Edmonton team every time that you had to go four on four.
But yes, normally even strength is a positive for this team.

Speaker 3 So my morning, my weekend got started off on the right note. I don't need to start the weekend with a Panther loss.

Speaker 3 I'd have been in a terrible mood this morning and I want to be in a great mood for you guys. So I'm ready to go.

Speaker 1 I'm firing all cylinders here. This road trip hasn't exactly been the best for the

Speaker 1 schedule for the rest of the season.

Speaker 3 It's just going to be tough on tomorrow, too. Tomorrow, you got Washington Capitals.

Speaker 1 I'm not about to do that.

Speaker 3 You got Fedskin now seven away from the record. I don't like that he's going to get that record, but it is what it is.
It's futile for me to root against it.

Speaker 1 You know, he's also like third in hits all time? Yeah. He's just a remarkable player.
He's a bowling ball. Zach Gretzky, but he's a good player.

Speaker 1 Well, he's about to be, at least for one of the more important aspects of the game. It's not Gretzky.
Well, his nickname is not the great one, but it is Alexander the Great. Yeah.
The great eight.

Speaker 3 No, they needed that. They needed those points last night because you got Washington tomorrow, and it's what? What are we talking? It's a two and three road trip.

Speaker 1 Toronto within striking distance. Thank you.
Yeah, no, they're even.

Speaker 3 I mean, they're tied with Toronto.

Speaker 1 Thankfully, there's been a recent dip in form, but they got that one comeback victory against Toronto. One last Panther topic before we move on.

Speaker 1 And the reason why we're starting with Panthers is because he just watched the game. I'm in a great mood

Speaker 1 defending the National Cup champions. And March Madness is March Badness.
We keep trying to tell you this. It's not a good tournament.
There's individual moments,

Speaker 1 but especially when the secret sauce, Tony and Company, there was secret sauce in a couple of different games. percolating

Speaker 1 what is the secret sauce white guys

Speaker 1 yeah yeah that makes sense 2025 baby that's that's that's kind of always been the secret sauce for the nc always been always has been always has been got to get a cherokee parks in there got to get a christian laytoner got to get a a a norman osborn hairline jimmer for dead hair yeah jimmer you need you need the secret sauce roy your thoughts greg paulas nah i'm i haven't watched a single game yet

Speaker 1 because you're waiting for the secret sauce yes i am we'll get to march madness in a second but I do want to button one thing up on the Florida Panthers because I think you kind of got my ass yesterday on the Brad Marchant thing.

Speaker 1 You got that ass. You got that ass.

Speaker 1 You got it.

Speaker 1 If the people in the locker room are okay with it, I got to be okay with it too. Right.
But I'm also an emotional fan.

Speaker 1 I'm not getting paid by the organization to make this work. I see his stupid face, and it conjures up all sorts of emotions, and it's going to be difficult to deprogram myself for that.

Speaker 1 He may have good moments in that red shirt. That would help.
That would certainly help. But I also think he's incredibly overrated at this point in his career.
I know he's a great playoff performer.

Speaker 3 He's 20 goal scorers so far this year. I mean, at 36 years old,

Speaker 1 people got to get the numbers on that on that team. Postronach's going to get the numbers on that team, but Florida is way more loaded than Boston.
And I look at what my preference is.

Speaker 1 I think on merit, you could argue, and it's not going to be the case.

Speaker 1 He didn't come here to be a third liner, but I think on merit, you could argue Brad Marchand, talent-wise, at this point in his career, would be a third-liner.

Speaker 1 It's all about fit and where you want him. I do kind of want to see the Bennett Kachuk thing just laugh at everybody because people are going to hate that line.
But, Roy, are you with me on this?

Speaker 1 No, he's going to be straight up on the second line, and that line is going to be

Speaker 1 a little bit more.

Speaker 1 I understand he's going to be on the second line. And the power play, by the way, he's going to help tremendously.

Speaker 1 But at this stage in his career, if you tell me in a vacuum, who would you like to see hit the ice a little bit more? Mackie or Brad Marchand? Well, Mackie. I'd like to to see Mackie more.

Speaker 1 I think he's far more effective. I think there's probably an argument to be made for Verhege, which I'm starting to regret that contract a little bit.
Yeah. It's not probably not the same.

Speaker 1 We've probably seen the best of Carter Verhege. I mean, that's not a hot take, but it's certainly something I'm concerned about.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 Guys, you know, some of this stuff is random with the goal scoring.

Speaker 3 You know, it's not like the NBA, where if you're in the prime of your career, you're going to have these numbers every single year, no matter matter what.

Speaker 3 Like, it's a little bit like baseball, like that, where there's some randomness. You could be in your prime and you didn't hit for average the way you did the previous year.

Speaker 3 It's like that in hockey, too. You don't get as many chances.
But I text you

Speaker 3 like the day after the Marchand trade. I was like, hey, Marshand, crazy, right? And Mike texts me back.
I hope he's a healthy scratch every game.

Speaker 1 Wow, man. I don't like him.

Speaker 3 And look, I've never hated

Speaker 3 a player, a hockey player, more

Speaker 3 than I hated, I guess, Brad Marshand. Never, never hated a player more.
So it's really difficult to digest that they just traded for this guy.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 3 my whole deal was I need to hear him say he wants to win a Stanley Cup with the Florida Panthers. I needed to hear him say that.
And he essentially did. He did on the Monday of the press conference.

Speaker 3 And then on Tuesday, he's out there skating with Sam Bennett. And Sam Bennett posts the picture of the two of them and says, just a couple of scumbags.

Speaker 3 And it's like, okay, well, if the guys, see, here's the thing where I say to you, if the guys in the dressing room are okay with the guy that they used to hate, don't I kind of have to be okay with the guy?

Speaker 3 And the difference is with hockey, you know, in football, when the Dolphins play the Jets,

Speaker 3 the Dolphin players don't hate the Jet players. The Jets players don't hate the Dolphins.
The fans hate,

Speaker 3 but the players don't hate. The difference in hockey is...
They do hate the guys in the other dressing room.

Speaker 3 I mean, Ryan Lomberg, who plays the Calgary Flames now, they were playing the Tampa Bay Lightning earlier this season. He says, I hate these effing guys.
You don't even play for the Panthers anymore.

Speaker 3 These guys actually hate the other guys in the dressing room. Miss Loms.
And so if they're okay with it, I kind of have to be okay with it then.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, let me ask you this.
If you're a noted Heat fan, one of the most famous and celebrated Miami Heat fans in the nation,

Speaker 1 your face is first up on celebrity picks on ESPN.

Speaker 3 That's right. Right next to Vital and Billis.

Speaker 1 Yep. So you are a Heat fan of repute.
Let's say Alan Houston came to town

Speaker 1 and wore a Miami Heat uniform. You think you'd ever warm up to that?

Speaker 4 If Jamal Mashburn's cool with it, I'm cool with it.

Speaker 1 I'm actually not cool with Jamal Mashburn. Glans Rutherspoon's cool with it.

Speaker 3 I'm not taking cues from Mashburn and what he likes and doesn't like. I'm not even comfortable with him sitting first row at the Heat Games.

Speaker 3 Would I have been okay with Alan Houston on the team? Yeah, I mean, I would have had to have been. What am I going to root against him?

Speaker 1 it's not like he's it's like he's a bad person off the court i always look i always maintain i was always rooting against kyle lowry always i did not like that well obviously

Speaker 3 i mean i told you a million times i i mean i've never disliked a miami heat it's very rare that i dislike a player who's on my team i'll find a way to root for them and i i actively disliked kyle lowry his entire time here i i it just shows you how terrible terry rogier has been the fact that i'll sit here and tell you that was a terrible trade, but it also tells you how badly the organization wanted Lowry out, that they were willing to trade him for Rogier in a first-round pick.

Speaker 3 I hated Kyle Lowry.

Speaker 1 So there isn't anyone in the Heats history. They've had storied rivals.
People forget how intense that Pistons rivalry was. Oh, yeah.
I hated that team. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, if Paul Pierce came to town war, he'd traded him.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Paul Pierce. That's what I, I think that was the comparison I made with Brad Martian, where it had been like, if the Heat traded for Paul Pierce, and I don't want that.

Speaker 3 You think I want to root for that piece of shit? Like,

Speaker 3 I don't want him on my team. I will not root for him.

Speaker 1 It's the truth.

Speaker 3 That is the truth. What I said was the truth.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. And credit to me, I'll tell it to his face.
He knows that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, good for you for not backing down, man.

Speaker 3 Was I here on a day that Paul Pierce was going to be?

Speaker 1 Oh, I think David Sampson was grilling me about why would I not want to do a show with Paul Pierce? Why would I?

Speaker 1 How about Paul George? Is he in that... Who's in the Pantheon?

Speaker 3 I mean, Paul George isn't really.

Speaker 1 Charlie Ward? Charlie Ward was like hitting me on multiple levels. I hated Charlie Ward so much because he cooked Miami as a quarterback at FSU.

Speaker 3 Well, and he pulled that dirty move on P.J. Brown.
I mean, he absolutely tried to undercut him. He tried to hurt him.

Speaker 3 You know, there's no, I would tell that to his face if he was right here in this room. You tried to hurt P.J.
Brown. All right.

Speaker 1 Put her on the poll. For Miami fans, is there a special place in hell for Charlie Ward?

Speaker 3 And certainly Larry Johnson. Don't like Larry Johnson.
I'll never like Larry Johnson.

Speaker 3 He was purposely trying to elbow Zoe in in the face while he was wearing a face guard. He had a broken orbital.

Speaker 1 That's a situation where the locker room wasn't okay with the player in there. Like, Zoe and Larry Johnson hated each other famously when they were both young.

Speaker 3 There may have been something going on, you know, personally with the two of them when they were in Charlotte together.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, I don't know.
So if Zoe tells you, you can hate on Larry Johnson all you want, like, you'll never find yourself getting out of your seat. I still boozo.
Larry Johnson. I still boozo.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? Boozo. I will never let that go.
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Speaker 3 What did he do?

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Speaker 3 Well, McKenzie did.

Speaker 1 Come on, McKenzie. He knows what he did.

Speaker 3 He definitely knows what he did.

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Speaker 1 Don Lebatard. For weeks, months even, during the regular season, I wondered, aloud, what Kevin Stinland did.

Speaker 1 And then about three weeks ago, it hit me. Stugats.
He gives them one of these. And he gives them one of those.

Speaker 3 This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

Speaker 1 So you had Daytonite, which means you,

Speaker 1 I guess luckily, didn't watch any of the tournament games. The tournament games were kind of stinky.

Speaker 3 The tournament was not good yesterday. It was not good.
I watched almost the whole day. It was not good yesterday.

Speaker 1 Last year we ran into this too, especially with the first...

Speaker 1 the first two rounds we were keep we kept waiting for those moments and then we had to wait a little bit later no but you do get them like it evens out It's it's pretty likely you're gonna get the madness today since you didn't get it yesterday We got madness yesterday McNee State beat Clemson Will Wade is now leaving no, but nobody stayed

Speaker 1 He's a Clemson guy like that was a fun story

Speaker 1 madness is buzzer beater like okay McNee's like they they kick their ass but the end oh, but they came all the way back.

Speaker 4 I know that part of it made it at least like down the stretch

Speaker 3 on a pig there. Absolutely

Speaker 1 never had the ball with a chance to tie. That's correct.

Speaker 4 But at the same time, those final few minutes, you're looking at the clock and going, it was going to get short.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy, they might make it all the way back in time. I was happy as someone sitting on Clemson Live plus 12 and a half.
But stripes also kind of played a role in that, too.

Speaker 1 Like, they were letting them play there a little bit.

Speaker 3 But there were no big shots. There were no buzzer beers.
That's the madness. All right.
And because we didn't get it yesterday, I think we're going to have an overwhelming amount of madness today.

Speaker 4 This sounds like a toasted bracket update.

Speaker 4 Who'd you guys have in your brackets yesterday? Any big losses in your particular brackets?

Speaker 1 I'm going to be so bad at helping you out here.

Speaker 1 This is the first year I haven't filled out a bracket. Wow.

Speaker 1 I'll take the reins down.

Speaker 1 Drake was the easiest call of the entire bracket, the entire March Madness. Bennett Sturtz and them boys.

Speaker 3 He's a good player.

Speaker 1 Good player. And what is he?

Speaker 3 He's got the secret sauce.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Mike, when I said Bennett Sturtz, he was like, maybe, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'm like, that could only be secret sauce. Secret sauce, right?

Speaker 4 So Drake upset Missouri.

Speaker 3 I wanted to take Drake, but Taylor was so on Mizzou.

Speaker 1 Taylor out here, like, everyone's taking Drake.

Speaker 4 I'm telling you, Missouri's the play. SEC, I'm telling you, this year.

Speaker 1 Two weeks ago, two weeks ago, Taylor told me Missouri sucks. Whoever they play in the tournament picked the opposite.
And I was like, okay, perfect.

Speaker 1 Put that, compartmentalized it, moved over, saw Drake, saw Bennett Sturtz, and I was like, oh, we're good. I mean, how did he

Speaker 3 have Taylor yesterday with the SEC? I mean, Georgia's down 30 to 5.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but he hyped up Louisville for everybody, and they got their asses kicked by Creighton.

Speaker 1 It wasn't a great day for the ACC. Creighton, another, another

Speaker 1 secret sauce. Yeah, but Creighton.
I know you just did the dismissive, huh? Jeremy, we do this every month. I guarantee you there's going to be an ACC team in that Final Four.
There always is.

Speaker 1 We're going to look at the lay of the land. The SEC teams will end up cannibalizing each other, and then we'll realize that the narrative is.
Look, NC State made it, and they were crap last year.

Speaker 1 They made it to the Final Four as an ACC team. Miami was waving the banner.
Speaking of Miami, I am locked in at 12.15.

Speaker 1 I will be watching my favorite Miami Hurricane Hurricane men's basketball player of all time, Norchad O'Mear, as a slight underdog. A pale rares.

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Speaker 1 Order one today. So, Zaz, you mentioned you had date night.
What'd you do?

Speaker 3 Yeah, sometimes you got to take the old girl out. You know, you got to let her know you care.
And so I took her right across the street here.

Speaker 3 We went to MJ on Broadway, the Michael Jackson show that's at the R Center. How do you feel about that?

Speaker 1 That was fantastic.

Speaker 3 I feel good. Like, you're asking me if, like, I have, you know, I feel morally weird about it.

Speaker 1 You know, it's complicated.

Speaker 1 I've long maintained,

Speaker 1 he kind of went at a good time.

Speaker 3 He died at a good time.

Speaker 1 He did. Yeah, I'm telling you.
You mean for him? Advantageous for him. Yeah, look, in retrospect, good way to go out.
Good time to go out. That was before a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 Like, it was percolating again. People forget.
Like, he was back in the headlines.

Speaker 3 I guess it's kind of strange. Like, they danced around it the entire show.
Like, the whole show is

Speaker 3 them putting together the dangerous tour, and he's being interviewed by MTV throughout it.

Speaker 3 So, you're going through, like, the timeline of his life leading up to the dangerous tour, which was in the mid-90s. And they dance around that stuff where several times throughout...

Speaker 3 the story, it's, do you hear what they're saying about me in the media?

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 3 That was the line every time. Do you hear what they're saying about me in the media?

Speaker 1 So that's the elephant in the room? Yeah.

Speaker 3 They never actually, they don't give any details. It's just they're saying things about me in the media.

Speaker 1 Well, that's how you get it approved by the estate, right? That's how you got to go about things.

Speaker 3 I loved it, though. The place was packed, man.

Speaker 1 He's got incredible music.

Speaker 3 Incredible music.

Speaker 1 Incredible. Yeah, the way that I usually handle this, because if you try to, it's like whack-a-mole.

Speaker 1 If you try to die on a certain hill morally when it comes to music, you don't even know where half of your hypocrisies are

Speaker 1 especially

Speaker 1 it would like

Speaker 1 anyone more controversial than him i mean i guess you could say diddy now uh probably

Speaker 1 i bet you diddy's like well looking at michael jackson being like he never had to deal with this he i mean he dealt with some of this but well he never had to deal with it and it's it's obvious he never had to deal with it right and it's it's certainly not a contest all right but you know if one

Speaker 3 yeah diddy's losing though right right right but the things that michael Jackson was being accused of is like

Speaker 1 the most heinous shit. Yeah, but

Speaker 1 Diddy's also being accused of that, too. Oh, is that? Yeah, no, yeah.
It's full scope for Diddy. It's all over the place.

Speaker 1 Okay. He cast a

Speaker 1 competition.

Speaker 1 It was allegedly quite a wide pervy net he casted.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't know. I never know how to feel about the Michael Jackson stuff.
Like, Michael Jackson comes on the radar. I'm like, oh, this song is amazing.
Turn it up. And then it's like, all right,

Speaker 3 I never know how to feel it.

Speaker 1 I don't request the songs. I don't play them on touch tunes.
But if it's on, you know, don't stop till you get enough.

Speaker 1 i still haven't gotten enough every song the wide pervy net the worst of all the nets yes well brooklyn pretty terrible it hasn't worked out for that franchise since they moved no doubt but pervy net is worse than brooklyn i don't know man that place was packed last night i know they're doing a bunch of shows at the art center there it seems like people are into it so i don't i don't think i have to feel bad morally no you you don't and i'm not i'm not here i was just curious because the way that i govern it i'm a huge bowie guy he's got some stuff i'm a huge prince guy he's got some stuff i think there is something to be said for like a sheer magnitude.

Speaker 1 Like with Deshaun Watson, I still like, I was rooting on teams that had players that had

Speaker 1 some of that stuff surrounding them. Like Kareem Hunt.
When Kareem Hunt scored a touchdown, I was like, yay, go Browns. When they acquired Deshaun Watson, I was like, that's very tough.

Speaker 1 There is like... a sheer magnitude to it that is just unavoidable.
But the way that I go about it is, I don't think I feel like listening to Diddy today.

Speaker 1 I don't think I feel like listening to Ryan Adams today.

Speaker 1 I still listen to Bowie. So

Speaker 1 I'm wearing my conflicts out here, and it's not a black and white issue. It's very difficult.
Do what

Speaker 1 matters or white.

Speaker 3 But here, like, Kanye, I don't feel like hearing a Kanye.

Speaker 1 And Kanye was one of my favorite artists of all. Why? What happened with Kanye?

Speaker 1 I have so many Yeezys in my closet, and it's just like. He dropped Bully, by the way.

Speaker 4 They're so comfortable, too, Yeezys.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 1 I love the way that the shoe looked in joggers. And I'm like, I think I just got to throw them out at this point.
Remember, like, he was starting, like, he got to. What size are you?

Speaker 1 Hold on, what size are you?

Speaker 1 What size are you? 13th? What size are you? What size are you? Adidas school, as you know.

Speaker 1 No, I gotta, I don't know why I'm waiting so long to.

Speaker 1 I'll probably donate them, have them go to a good cause, but I can imagine like someone's like, I can't do this. It's bad for my brand.

Speaker 4 Maybe your local JCC.

Speaker 1 Bad for the brand. But he's cooked.
He's cooked. Like, but.

Speaker 1 If I hear power, if like someone's coming up to bat and they use power in the background, I'm like, interesting choice, but this will forever slap i'll be clapping along like it's it's just tough like it's hard because of his mental illness and because of like how different he is now i think it's almost easier to silo away like oh before he lost his mind like the like college dropout i miss the old connie became a a meme and people have such a relationship with some of that older music that i get why it's hard for people to disassociate their love and what they felt in that era.

Speaker 1 Graduation is one of the best albums of all time.

Speaker 1 And you're stuck there, like, oh, he made graduation, but then he does all that stuff. And you're like,

Speaker 1 his fingerprints were across like

Speaker 1 25 years of hip-hop, not just as a rapper, but as when it comes to production, where do you draw the line? Like, I'm gonna stop listening to Jay-Z now. I'm gonna stop listening to Kanye Purdue tracks.

Speaker 3 Like, I mean,

Speaker 3 I think you draw the line when they're like a super shitty person, which seems to be the case with Kanye, but

Speaker 3 as opposed to even like Diddy, Diddy's being accused of things, okay? You could assume it's true, whatever.

Speaker 1 I mean, Osama bin Laden's attorney was like, I can't do this.

Speaker 1 Osama.

Speaker 3 But Kanye is like, there's no, they're not accusations.

Speaker 3 No, he's doing it to himself. Right, right.
It's right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's got a

Speaker 1 Swasika medallion. He's on a Swasika.
It's happening.

Speaker 3 It's right there in front of us. You know? So I think there's a major difference there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 4 Mike Scherr handled this well in his book, How to Be Perfect, where where he talked about sort of separating the art from the artist and the way that he sort of drew the line ultimately after going through the different philosophical conversations was if you were a fan of someone, whether it was growing up or into adulthood or whatever, and then you learned these things about them, it's making the choice, all right, I'm not going to consume anything new.

Speaker 1 So I can go back

Speaker 4 right. And Michael Jackson is a good example of that, where, hey, I listened to all of this music growing up.
It was a part of my childhood.

Speaker 4 I associate it with these positive memories that I have, X, Y, Z.

Speaker 4 And so if they were to somehow find an unreleased album and then try to profit off of that now, that's what I'm saying. No, I'm not going to, well, that would be the line.

Speaker 4 I'm following Schur's line there because it's been an easy, oh, someone finally did this for me. I have direction as to how maybe I can morally justify one way or another.

Speaker 4 There are artists, Ryan Adams is actually a wonderful example, Mike, of like, there's some of that older music that, you know what, damn good music. Maybe I want to go back and listen to it.

Speaker 4 It was a, you know, you have whatever association with that artist, but now you know that these things have happened. Maybe you make the line of demarcation whenever those events happened.

Speaker 4 Maybe you make the line of demarcation once you've learned about it. It's really complicated.
It's why the art versus artist conversation is one that no one's really been able to solve.

Speaker 4 That's just people trying to make themselves feel better about it. That's all it is.

Speaker 1 That's all the old story. That's my promise.
Well, no, listen to anything new

Speaker 1 that's the whole thing here i think a lot of people find that line i think a lot of people are having such a difficult time trying to think for themselves on this one that they welcome like someone doing the thinking for them and i it's like the book's name in terms of sanctimony is called how to be perfect where they try to work through all of these scenarios and i i didn't actually

Speaker 1 like I've kind of pieced together because I've heard a lot of podcasts on this and I kind of pieced together for me it's just what do I feel like listening to there will probably be a day where I want to listen to Ryan Adams.

Speaker 1 It hasn't quite happened. Are you saying Brian Adams or Ryan Adams? I will always want to listen to Brian Adams.
Okay, because I was like, summer 69 is a banger. I was like, what did he do?

Speaker 1 I haven't seen anything about Brian Adams. That song that he did for John Juan DeMarco.

Speaker 1 Are you listening to morality podcasts? Is that what you're saying? No, no, no. I'm listening to a music podcast.
Oh, God.

Speaker 1 Also, like, the Ryan Adams thing, it's probably unfair to lump him in with all these other names. Again, sliding.
Ryan Adams. Sliding songs.
Again, not Brian Adams.

Speaker 1 Well, Ryan Adams was, first and foremost, an asshole, and then like accused of grooming, and there were like think pieces written on him.

Speaker 1 He used to be married to Mandy Moore, I think, and she had some not-so-nice things to say about him. But

Speaker 1 allegedly, everyone kind of knew that Ryan Adams was a jerk. In fact, there's this great book on the early 2000s rock scene called Meet Me in the Bathroom.

Speaker 1 That whole like early 2000s alt rock scene that was born out of New York. And it's kind of, and this was before Ryan Adams got canceled.

Speaker 1 And basically, everyone, all these addicts, just putting all their problems on Ryan Adams. Like, he was the foil of the book.
And I kind of felt bad for him there.

Speaker 1 It's like, okay, this is very clearly the strokes narrative. They're not taking any ownership of their own actions.
Ryan Adams is like, what the hell?

Speaker 1 I just opened a door and this guy was asking me for heroin. Like,

Speaker 1 I guess it's my fault too, right? So I did kind of feel bad for him. And then all the other stuff came out.
This is the most Ryan Adams talking about it. Again, summer of 69.
We're good.

Speaker 1 Just making sure.

Speaker 3 I can't stop listening to that when it comes on.

Speaker 1 That is Brian Adams. Brian Adams.
Different Adams, not related. One of them's a Canadian.
Brian had to be like, oh, come on. Come on, Ryan.
Me and you. We're in this together a little bit.

Speaker 1 Brian Adams has always mattered way more. Brian Adams today mattered more than Ryan Adams on his best day.

Speaker 4 If there was a Christian Cody out there, like, you got to keep it clean, pal, because we're associated with each other. Okay.
I can't have you out here grooming people.

Speaker 1 There was a huge Slater scoop. Locally, people know what that means.
But this one was shocking. Whoa, what happened? What happened? Did you see Roy? There's no way Roy didn't see it.
I missed it.

Speaker 1 What happened? WSVN. Oh, oh, yes.
WSVN is going to become an ABC affiliate. We haven't had an affiliate change in, what, 30 years when Fiber Team 6? Yeah, remember they switched to March.

Speaker 1 I was there for that. That was a big one.
That was a big one.

Speaker 1 It was like a midnight switch.

Speaker 3 That was more than 30 years ago. That was a big one.

Speaker 1 That was like 24. That was going on during SNL and on midnight, like they switched.
Yeah. I I believe.
FOR was.

Speaker 3 FOR was channel six and TVJ was channel four.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they switched places. Yep.
It was a big deal. But locally in this market, the FOR, the CBS affiliate and the NBC affiliate are ONOs, owned and operated by the network.

Speaker 1 So those will never flip unless there's a sale of some sort. So this leaves PLG in a precarious situation.
You would assume that.

Speaker 3 Well, it's a situation that they chose, by the way.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, they got outbid, which is crazy because some beam, I think some beam.

Speaker 3 Well, no, they're saying that they chose like, hey, this is too much money, we're not interested.

Speaker 1 So, what is PLG gonna do? I don't know. Because right now, SVN is going to be both Fox and ABC.

Speaker 4 That's what's really weird.

Speaker 3 So, the way that I understand, okay, so this is confusing, though, right?

Speaker 1 For people who we want to watch sports, all right?

Speaker 3 ABC is Monday Night Football and

Speaker 3 NBA on ESPN on ABC. You know, there's stuff that we want to watch.

Speaker 3 And so, over the air,

Speaker 3 it's going to be on like the auxiliary channel 7.2.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 3 All right. When you're watching over the air, but it's like 1043 HD2? That's exactly what it's like.

Speaker 1 Locally, there's like two CWs now.

Speaker 3 That's exactly what it's like. But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 I don't know about you guys.

Speaker 1 I don't have, I don't watch Over the Air. All right.

Speaker 3 Like I have streaming. And so I'm confused as to how I'm going to get ABC on my streaming subscription.

Speaker 1 This is a huge problem when it comes to the local channels and streaming.

Speaker 4 But let me put everyone at ease. We will still have Will Manso.
Oh, thank God.

Speaker 1 Actually, can someone text Will Manso? Because I have questions about what this means for us locally.

Speaker 4 I just saw a post and I didn't read all of it, but I just saw somewhere in there. I'm sticking around.

Speaker 1 They'll still have local programming and local channels.

Speaker 3 So are they just going to come up with their, they're going to produce all of their own local shows?

Speaker 1 They're going to be like Whammy on Miami.

Speaker 1 For those, like, I know I'm dating myself with that, but Whammy was trying to sprout out in the network game as an independent, get all these shows that, these talk shows that were available for syndication.

Speaker 1 Neil Rogers had his show simulcast on Whammy on Miami, and they actually had local sports rights too. They had the Marlins and they had the Miami.

Speaker 3 Whammy had the Heat Road games. Because back then, home games and road games were different channels for our local teams.
And ESPN's Mark Jones was the sideline reporter for the Heat on Whammy.

Speaker 3 Sports Sound.

Speaker 1 Jones-y.

Speaker 1 Do you remember Sports Sound? Absolutely. Yeah, during the NBA lockout, they had to chain up the basketball court that was behind them.
I loved Whammy on Miami.

Speaker 1 Whammy Kids, that's where you got your Fox

Speaker 1 afternoon cartoons on the weekdays.

Speaker 4 What am I asking, Will?

Speaker 1 What is going to become of WPLG? Like, what's the move here?

Speaker 1 From a programming standpoint, what's on prime time on PLG?

Speaker 1 Are they going to make a play for local sports? So you probably can't say that, and he's probably got some conflicts.

Speaker 4 That part is interesting, right? Like,

Speaker 1 they could be a player locally.

Speaker 4 Right. Does WPLG decide that their money is

Speaker 4 more worth it to try to do something similar to what's happened with the Panthers here.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they probably wish this happened a year ago.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no doubt. They would have been a player

Speaker 1 on the Panthers, but I'm just curious at the decision for WPLG, a legacy channel, a channel that matters down here, to make the decision we're not going to be affiliated with a network anymore.

Speaker 1 And it's a pretty big network. ABC, they got a lot of big stuff.

Speaker 3 ABC, good channel.

Speaker 1 ABC, good channel. ESPN's getting a Super Bowl, which will be simulcast on network ABC.

Speaker 1 That is a decision that PLG made.

Speaker 4 WPLG, I'm just going to read based off of what their article says on their website about these negotiations.

Speaker 3 We can get some good spin. Let's hear it.

Speaker 4 This is what they have to say: is that after months of negotiations between the Berkshire Hathaway-owned television station and the network, the two parties could not reach an agreement to extend the affiliation agreement.

Speaker 4 And as a result, ABC will pull its programming effective August 1st. Quote: We made a generous offer to ABC, but it became clear the two sides were not going to agree on a new deal.

Speaker 4 This is according to WPLG's CEO and president, Bert Medina. Quote, broadcast television stations across the country have announced massive layoffs in recent years.

Speaker 4 WPLG is proud that we've not had layoffs, but it became clear that if we accepted the deal ABC was proposing, we too would have been forced to lay off employees in order to pay the hefty price the network was demanding.

Speaker 4 And they went on to basically say that at this point, the network TV model in association with with local TV isn't quite as beneficial as it used to be because you can stream so many of these programs on streaming services.

Speaker 4 So the benefit used to be, oh, people have to watch us on ABC to watch. say the NBA Finals or things like that.

Speaker 4 But now that there are all of these sort of alternate channels that you can get through streaming, they're saying that the benefit is no longer there.

Speaker 3 Yo, just tell me how I can watch my shows. Super confusing.

Speaker 4 I feel like if you're not in the industry, you're just like, what are you guys talking about?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know that this show has national appeal. This is like more locally geared.
We have a local icon here, a local luminary in Jonathan Zaslow. And I'm curious

Speaker 1 what the

Speaker 1 I am curious at what the strategy is for PLG going forward. Do they lean hyper-local? Do they, because there's still a place.
People watch, people channel surf and watch conventional networks.

Speaker 1 Dude, you put on a phishing show and somebody will watch it.

Speaker 1 Fishing report, South Florida Fishing report, if you get them on PLG, everybody's going to watch. Do they just go,

Speaker 1 do they still have Jeopardy?

Speaker 4 It says they're going to have, quote, a massive expansion in local news and other local programming. So

Speaker 4 they're claiming that the money that they would have been spending on paying ABC to be their affiliate, they're going to invest locally on new programming and things. Should we? Should we?

Speaker 4 We should be on PLG.

Speaker 1 I should be on Salesforce. Why don't we put together a little show? Should we say that the boys are on PLG? We're talking sports? Yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm with it, man.

Speaker 4 I'm being told they're keeping Jeopardy.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Good job.

Speaker 1 Good job. Wait a second.
Can we be on PLG? Let's just lean hard local because I'm more inclined to watch PLG if they're like, hey, we ditched a network. We're here for you.

Speaker 1 I'm turning away from the news platform.

Speaker 3 If somebody wants to talk over there, you look at this face. You put me on WPLG.
That's bad news for all your networks.

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