The Big Suey: My Voice Is Strong and My Bottom Is Fresh (feat. David Samson)

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Speaker 4 We back, and we are bringing in another teammate to help us get this dub in game three, the rubber match, the great David Sampson's in the building. What up, David?

Speaker 9 How are you? I wish I were in the building. Yeah.
Sadly, I'm just on a little square, but my voice is strong and my bottom is fresh.

Speaker 4 Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 There we go. Love that you got a

Speaker 7 flea flicker.

Speaker 4 Everything's down. That's how we start.
Oh, I love it, man. So there are a couple of things I want to get to with you.
There's a game that I want to play with you also.

Speaker 4 So my social media algorithm has shown me recently that a lot of wives and girlfriends are

Speaker 4 playing music for their significant others in hopes that they can clap on beat. I feel like I'm looking around this whole thing and I'm like, you know who I think would do a great job

Speaker 4 of this is David Sampson. So David, how are you musically?

Speaker 4 You have that type of rhythm?

Speaker 9 I'm a big Jack Wagner fan. All I need is just a little more time to be sure how I feel.

Speaker 9 Is it just in my mind?

Speaker 4 It's incredible. It's outstanding.
The only other question that I have for you, or not only other question, there's one other question that's not on

Speaker 4 the list of things that I wanted to talk to you about is, have you ever seen or reviewed a Tyler Perry movie?

Speaker 9 I have not reviewed it on the show, and I've seen two of them as my guest.

Speaker 7 Wow, which ones?

Speaker 9 How many Medea's have there been?

Speaker 4 Too many. Amadeus?

Speaker 9 Like seven?

Speaker 4 What's Madeas? Five.

Speaker 7 I think he means Medea.

Speaker 4 Oh,

Speaker 9 Medea, Medea, Tomato, Tomato.

Speaker 4 So you've seen a couple of them? Which one? I think I've seen two.

Speaker 7 Medea goes to prison?

Speaker 4 Was it like it's like saying I've seen a couple of earnest movies? Medea says.

Speaker 9 Or fast in the furiouses.

Speaker 4 Wasn't there a Halloween one? Yeah, wasn't there a Halloween one? I don't know. I thought there was a Halloween one.

Speaker 7 If you're listening or viewing this at home and you're like, oh, Dominique's so funny, man. He's just making up stuff.

Speaker 4 That's real. I believe that's a real one.

Speaker 3 There are 11 listed Medea movies. There's Diary of a Black Woman, which I guess is where we were.

Speaker 4 Mad Black Woman. Mad Black Woman.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Where we were introduced to Medea.
Then Medea's Family Reunion, Meet the Browns, Medea goes to jail. I can do bad all by myself.
Medea's big happy family. Medea's witness protection.

Speaker 3 Madea gets a job. A Medea Christmas.

Speaker 4 Boom.

Speaker 3 A Medea Halloween. Gets a job.

Speaker 9 One-nothing Tyler.

Speaker 9 You can't get a movie made these days and he got 11 of them done with the character.

Speaker 9 Is that a more successful franchise than what Eddie Murphy did with his,

Speaker 9 oh God, Nutty Professor?

Speaker 4 I'm gonna have in a moment.

Speaker 9 Nutty Professor Nutty Professor. Clumps.
Who's got the better, bigger franchise? It's got to be Tyler Perry.

Speaker 7 I mean, Tyler, if we're counting dollars, then yes, Tyler Perry. If we're counting like actual movies that people want to watch, I would say Eddie.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I don't consider them the same category. You know, like, I feel like they're playing different sports.
It's like Tyler Perry is like producer, actor, guy, and Eddie Murphy is like talent.

Speaker 4 Yeah, one of the greatest movie stars and comedians in the history of everything. Maybe his franchise isn't the best, but that tends to be the case.

Speaker 4 It's like the most profitable things are not always the highest quality, right?

Speaker 9 That is a very sad statement, but a very true statement. And it comes on the heels of a Val Kilmer passed away last night.

Speaker 9 And I was thinking about the Batman franchise. And I was thinking about all the different actors who have played Batman and where Val sort of stands.

Speaker 9 And is it because he was sick, young, and that becomes more sympathetic? Are people going to remember Batman Forever as a better movie than it actually was?

Speaker 9 I think about whether or not sort of early tragic death changes people's reputation

Speaker 9 and the art that they made. And I think it really does often.

Speaker 7 Let me tell you right now.

Speaker 7 It's not going to.

Speaker 7 People are not going to remember that movie kindly. By the way, that was Cinephobe episode.
Which Which one was it? 245. You can catch that wherever you catch podcasts.

Speaker 4 Doing great here, Mia. Thank you.
I would love.

Speaker 4 I don't know if I would have been more impressed or happy or frustrated if David said he's seen all the Medea movies.

Speaker 4 I don't know how that makes you feel because I know that this from my Gallivant with Charlie, his friend, who is a well-to-do white, has...

Speaker 4 goes to see every Medea movie on opening night, which like my reaction to that is like, wait, why? Like, wait, what did you, I mean, it's an angle. What's your angle?

Speaker 4 Like, you just appreciate the cinematic quality of it? Or are you going, you laughing at or with Medea? Is my question.

Speaker 7 You guys ever heard of a movie called White Man's Burden? Yes. It has John Travolta.

Speaker 4 It's like the flip, right?

Speaker 7 Reality Switch Sides was the tagline, right? We also reviewed it for Citapo, by the way.

Speaker 7 But in the Reality Switch Sides universe, where black people are the predominant culture or whatever, if I heard a white guy say, go to watch Medea on opening night, he's getting flagged. Red flag.

Speaker 7 You got to bring him in. What's the deal?

Speaker 4 What are you up to, boy? What's going on?

Speaker 10 David, did you see the clip of the Hawks fan falling during the in-arena tic-tac-toe layup game last night? Because

Speaker 9 he tore his knee.

Speaker 10 Well, perhaps.

Speaker 10 A few weeks ago, we were talking about what you, as the Marlins president, would give fans if they were injured on premises.

Speaker 10 So what's this guy getting if this is at one of your sporting events?

Speaker 9 So, this is a good example where you don't get to do this unless you've signed a waiver, a specific liability waiver.

Speaker 9 So, we could get away with absolutely nothing, but we'd probably give him a nice bag on the way out the door.

Speaker 9 And that's about it. But he is really up to himself.
He's got to show insurance prior to doing an activity like that. You don't just get like when you have fans running in the outfield.

Speaker 9 What's the one Atlanta does

Speaker 9 when they

Speaker 9 have to beat the freeze? Can't you just picture the guys like pulling a hammy or something? So in order for that to work, you do sign something.

Speaker 9 So no, I would just apologize to the guy, say tough break, and help him to help him to the doctor.

Speaker 3 When you say a bag, you don't mean of money.

Speaker 1 You mean a bag of like a t-shirt and a hat.

Speaker 9 That's exactly what I mean. A t-shirt, a hat, a giveaway, maybe throwing a bobblehead, maybe an autographed ball.

Speaker 9 If it's actually torn, I'd probably, that's a torn ACL is probably an autographed ball. If it's ACL, MCL, and meniscus, probably an autographed bat.

Speaker 4 What if he throwed a PCL in there too? We get all of them.

Speaker 9 Alphabet soup. Then you get to meet somebody.

Speaker 9 If you tear the PCL also, we'll take you down and we'll have a player visit you on your way being wheeled into the ambulance.

Speaker 10 So question, do you do the

Speaker 10 ligament test yourself or do you take his word for it?

Speaker 10 Because Billy is alleging that maybe he was embarrassed that he kind of slipped and fell and was sort of doing like, you know, the grape lady like, yeah, you just grab your knees to safe face a little bit.

Speaker 3 Like, oh, that poor guy, he got hurt.

Speaker 4 He can't continue.

Speaker 3 And it's really just embarrassment.

Speaker 9 Yeah, you need the MRI results. This is not based on the honor system.

Speaker 4 No, I just want to hear the grape lady.

Speaker 10 But, David, I feel bad because I don't think she was faking it.

Speaker 4 It's just the thousands.

Speaker 4 David,

Speaker 4 is there, so there's no circumstance where you would not

Speaker 4 just take care of this guy? Like, I'm looking at it. Take care? I'm looking at if you take care of it.

Speaker 9 Like, do the surgery?

Speaker 4 No, not use yourself but pay for it take care no no no no no no i mean take care of his knee like there's no circumstance because you have this waiver protection there's no circumstances where you would waive the waiver and recognize that all right this guy is in such bad condition and is so unfortunate that we are going to at least take care of your surgery and rehab right what the hell are you talking about

Speaker 9 i i literally don't understand the words you're saying but i it must be me i don't know if i have a bad connection i think i hear hear you right, but Dominique, no, there is not a scenario under which we would pay for the surgery of someone who gets hit or hurt during an on-field game that we would play in between.

Speaker 4 Okay, so there's a couple of reasons why I would push back and think that it will be worth considering. One is goodwill with your fan base, which maybe you don't care about.

Speaker 4 And two is long-term protection against when this guy can't afford to pay for his own surgery because he doesn't have insurance and his his whole life and family falls apart 10 years from now there's a big expose about how David Sampson had a waiver in his face rather than help him out like I I would think that the twenty thousand dollars or whatever it would cost on the front end to get somebody right will be worth protecting yourself because you know what's not gonna matter your stupid ass waiver when say hey hey I understand that his life has fallen apart and he is now without home but don't worry don't worry we were legally protected guys right?

Speaker 4 Don't you are you have any fear of that?

Speaker 9 No, and Dominique, I would encourage you. I understand what you're saying, but I would like you to find one.
You try to make me out as the only team president who acted this way.

Speaker 9 Find another team that does that when there's an injury to a fan, whether it's a foul ball or someone slips and falls. You may do a settlement for a lawsuit.

Speaker 9 We talked about that on a recent show, but pain for the surgery? Find me one other team that does that. Give me.

Speaker 7 Oh, sorry. No, I'm just going to say the waivers.
This is standard practice across all sports, across all arenas.

Speaker 7 I worked, my first job in NBA was game ops, and so we were the people that had to pick these people from the crowd to do these things. And the first thing you do is you hand them a piece of paper.

Speaker 7 You got to sign this. It says, if anything happens out here, you're on your own.

Speaker 4 I feel like you probably picked people in hopes that they would do something funny. Oh, no.
I don't think you were out there looking for athletes. Oh, no.

Speaker 7 It's all about, you know, what it was mostly about is making sure the two were equal. Like, you didn't want like one person was like doing windmills and the other one doing that.
Right.

Speaker 4 All right, let's lift the spirits. Give me some grape lady.
Vineyard tours, seminars, arts and crafts. It's a lot of fun, a whole day.
Stop.

Speaker 4 Oh, stop.

Speaker 4 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I can't, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, stop, oh, stop. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Speaker 4 I can't breathe. Stop.

Speaker 4 Oh, no. Oh, dear.

Speaker 2 I think she's actually hurt. No,

Speaker 4 she's there.

Speaker 4 She took a hard fall off there.

Speaker 7 So the background is like they're squashing grapes under their feet. Making wine.
And then like she says something to the effect of like, okay, let's race.

Speaker 7 And then she says, stop, but then she keeps going. Right? Like the way like, all right, let's stop.
Oh, psych, we're not stopping. And that's when she falls and busts her ass.

Speaker 4 She's on a platform, too. Like, it's not just busting grapes on the ground.
For whatever reason, they had to elevate.

Speaker 4 Apparently she broke a couple ribs. Did she?

Speaker 10 It sounds like. She stays out of the spotlight now.

Speaker 4 I can't breathe. Stop me.

Speaker 10 This was 2006. This is one of the early YouTube viral videos.

Speaker 4 No, I think she is. Yeah, she's hurt.
She took a hard

Speaker 4 fall off there.

Speaker 7 It was her and the guy who got the fly that flew in his mouth.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, yeah, where he went from being the news guy to being our uncle.

Speaker 7 This country-ass shit.

Speaker 10 By the way, Dominique, I suggest if you and Taylor do some sort of race, do not sign any medal of waivers.

Speaker 4 Good idea. Good call.

Speaker 10 David will try to slide you on. Resist.

Speaker 4 You know what?

Speaker 4 I think, Billy, can you somehow find my guy that's behind Taylor in that race? Jason?

Speaker 4 Yeah, Jason Mason. Okay.
That was the guy

Speaker 4 on the day. We'll get to that in a second.
David, I respect you in your sport of baseball. There's the picture of Taylor.

Speaker 8 So find that guy.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Hey, Billy Gill. Who is this Google Gill? Find that guy.
We can get you Taylor. I want...
No, not Taylor. We got Taylor.
Bear with Taylor.

Speaker 4 Give me that guy. Um, I got a question for you, or I do want to give you an opportunity to discuss the torpedo bats.
Like, I feel like we've been all over the place. I'm not a fan of the torpedo bat.

Speaker 4 Lots of people are fans. I'm confused why every player doesn't have a torpedo bat right now.
What are your thoughts on the torpedo bat in MLB right now, David?

Speaker 9 So, let's start with why every player doesn't have one.

Speaker 9 Bats, I'm trying to think of the football equivalent to a piece of equipment that you use that is so personal, it's so based on feel, and that there are major differences between bats, both in length, all within it could be shoes for a football player.

Speaker 9 In the NBA, shoes. In the NBA, I can't think of anything, maybe how you tape your legs or how you tape your ankles or the shoes that you wear, the sneakers.

Speaker 9 Why everybody doesn't wear full high tops is funny to me because it can help protect the ankle.

Speaker 9 But in bats, to me, are the only equivalent I can think of is a golf club, where golfers have a certain feel of what clubs they like.

Speaker 9 If you talk to a baseball player, a bat is second most personal item to their glove. But a bat is how you make your money.
And what the torpedo bat is, it's not new at all. Players have been using it.

Speaker 9 Non-Yankees have been using it, including last year. But what it does is it gives you analytically a better chance to have hard contact when you hit the ball where you're supposed to hit it.

Speaker 9 It doesn't mean that it's the right configuration for every player because

Speaker 9 when a player holds a bat and I've spoken, Ichiro is a great person to talk to. He treats his bats like they're family.
He wasn't allowed. We were not allowed.

Speaker 9 Part of the deal with Ichiro is we weren't allowed to travel his bats with the other equipment because there's a bat case that all the bats go in.

Speaker 9 His bats were totally in a separate case, totally separate, never to be lost and never to be touched by anyone, by the way.

Speaker 9 And it's a feel that you have, not just at the bottom, but it's the weight and how the weight's distributed.

Speaker 9 And what the torpedo bats do is they distribute the weight differently, and some players just don't want that. So, it really is a personal choice.

Speaker 7 Wait, hold on. You got Ichiro's bat sitting in first class and watching the other bats go behind as a chip champagne? Like, oh,

Speaker 9 those bats, the other bats are not in first class, they're not in coach, they're in steerage. So, where they are shoved onto the plane in a way that would make your eyes water.
But Ichiro's bats

Speaker 7 like us at Dan's wedding.

Speaker 4 Remember that?

Speaker 4 That's a callback.

Speaker 7 At Dan's wedding, for those who don't know, Dan's wedding, there was like two sections. There was like the hoity-toity section.

Speaker 7 This is where Dan Patrick and Sarah Spain and Mina Kahns and Pablo Torrey were hanging out. And then there was the Titanic section.

Speaker 4 There was me, Chris, and Ryan Cortez. And Ryan Cortez.

Speaker 4 Is it true that Ichiro kept his bat in like a humidor?

Speaker 9 So when you say humidor, I associate that with a mechanism inside that does does something with temperature. Is that accurate? Yes, it was not a humidor.

Speaker 9 It was just, it was a protective case that very much would not let them touch any other bat, would not let them touch each other.

Speaker 9 They were very much separated.

Speaker 11 Wow,

Speaker 11 bat segregation.

Speaker 4 I don't know how I feel about that.

Speaker 7 Listen, no touching.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 4 Charlie, I think you got something for me, right? Yeah, we're doing a little bit of research.

Speaker 2 We're doing a little bit of research.

Speaker 12 David, was there an issue when you were at the the Marlins of shooting a t-shirt gun that hit a woman in the head that you guys got sued over?

Speaker 12 Would you care to comment?

Speaker 9 I would say I wouldn't comment, only in that that would be one of scores of lawsuits that every team gets standard.

Speaker 9 We ended up not being able to shoot like hard things like hot dogs too high. It's why when you go to a game, it stinks.

Speaker 9 Only the people with good seeds tend to get stuff these days because we were told by lawyers, don't shoot stuff into the upper decks.

Speaker 9 Not that we had the upper deck open all that often, but don't shoot stuff too deep because you could end up hurting someone. Did someone get hit by a t-shirt?

Speaker 9 I sort of remember that, but it didn't matter enough to me. I'm going to say maybe that's a 10K issue at best.

Speaker 12 So no, no, no bag with no t-shirt, no hat.

Speaker 9 No, that was that would know.

Speaker 3 Because once the lawsuit comes in, then there's no conversation at all except with the lawyers, and then you're just talking settlement how often would you guys get sued a year for stuff like that because like this past weekend i was at disney and i was sitting down eating i was like man there are like hundreds of thousands of people here they must get sued a hundred times a day by someone for something stupid

Speaker 9 i think that's too many but i would say over the course of a year at least 10 every year it's not it's not a hundred a day but at least 10 uh and that's actual filing of suits related to things that happen in the stands There's all sorts of other lawsuits that happen just during the course of a business.

Speaker 9 And we weren't the only team. You sue your corporate sponsors when they don't pay or your season ticket holders when they don't pay.
Every team does that as well.

Speaker 9 But you're talking about slip and fall cases specifically. I would say 10.

Speaker 7 Most frivolous one that you've received or that you remember.

Speaker 9 I mean, to me, remember my perspective, I find them all to be frivolous. But what I think is the same thing.

Speaker 9 I think the most frivolous lawsuit I ever saw is when we were blamed for the divorce of a couple. There you go and there you go the argument was that uh

Speaker 9 the wife was flirting with players and managers down near the dugout and that caused the divorce and so we were sued and we were blamed for the dissolution of the marriage

Speaker 4 That's so was the argument where your players were too handsome, your players were too approachable, your players were too flirtatious?

Speaker 4 Like just existing is not, I would think, enough to put in a legal argument, right?

Speaker 9 Oh, you can put anything in a legal argument, of course. But yes,

Speaker 9 this was an interesting one.

Speaker 9 I actually got served personally for this one, being blamed for having introduced the woman to a player or a manager that then led to some nefarious activity that then led to the dissolution of the marriage.

Speaker 9 Of course, I had no recollection, and of course, that's not actionable. Of course, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 9 So, of course, it was dismissed summarily immediately i never appeared never testified i only had to do one or two depositions on it but it's uh it is crazy to me that you could blame a third party it's like blaming a bartender for your slump buster it just doesn't really make sense to me wait so was there more to this relationship than just like the introduction so allegedly there was uh an introduction that led to things that happen after people are introduced i mean not every time people are introduced.

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Speaker 7 Those of us that aren't familiar, what is a slump buster?

Speaker 4 Nope, I don't want to talk about that. Play some music for me, see if David can clap, guys.
Let's play a little music.

Speaker 12 Over Zoom, you feel good about this, Dom?

Speaker 4 Does he know what a beat is?

Speaker 7 I feel like he's giving us multiple claps to catch up. So

Speaker 4 there's one tempo. Like, get the tempo.

Speaker 3 And maybe there's a delay.

Speaker 4 More claps? That's not a clap. Either way, whether it's a delay or not, this is not on beat.
On beat has to be.

Speaker 9 It's on beat in my ear, Donnie.

Speaker 4 That's the only answer.

Speaker 4 That's all we needed, buddy.

Speaker 4 That's all we needed, buddy. All right.
I want to get back to this.

Speaker 4 Nope.

Speaker 4 I do not want to talk about that. You nailed it.
Good job, David. You won.
But I do want to get back to the idea that so you introduced these people. So they weren't just like regular fans, right?

Speaker 4 You didn't just,

Speaker 4 these were horrible. I have no recollection, Your Honor.

Speaker 4 Oh.

Speaker 9 I do not know of what you speak. Oh,

Speaker 4 hold on.

Speaker 9 Do you know how many times, hold on, this is insane that you're Dominique, you of all people in this room, if you wanted to meet someone in the stands, do you agree that there's someone in your clubhouse or in your organization who could effectuate such meetings?

Speaker 4 This is, this is, again, last time we were on together, you were awesome. You were the MVP of that week and it was great.

Speaker 4 But I remember saying this to you then also, is football is very different from basketball and baseball. We don't have that.
Like, that's just not a thing.

Speaker 4 What? No, where you, so like, if you've ever been on a football field, it's not quite, yeah, I know how you guys are.

Speaker 4 You guys are on the road, you play 100 games, and the fans are much closer, and there's time to look around. That's not how football works.

Speaker 4 It's so rare for a football player to be in one of the 16 games of the year to look around and say, oh, where's the baddie section? There's a baddie. Go get him.

Speaker 4 I know this happens, but it doesn't happen in football.

Speaker 7 Hold on. You're on the sideline.
You're telling me there's no, there's no like, huh?

Speaker 4 Like that. I mean,

Speaker 7 not you specifically.

Speaker 4 No, I know. I know what you're saying.
It's not, it's rare if it happens. Like football.

Speaker 7 Guys are locked in on the game. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I'm not buying it, I mean. Me neither.

Speaker 4 Okay. Y'all don't have to buy it.
I imagine that there is a time when it's happened, but generally the fans are not as close. The weather is not as nice.
And you aren't in. We have fewer games.

Speaker 4 There's more locked in. So of all the players, and there are only a couple of players who have that level of pull, like most of the guys on a football roster are trying to stay on the roster.

Speaker 4 They're not looking up to see what they're going to do tonight. We fly into a city, you have dinner, you have a curfew, you go win the game, you get on a plane, and you fly out.

Speaker 4 I'm trying to explain to you guys that it's very different from what you guys do, where you go to a city, you hang around, you play a game, you got another game a night later, you come back to that city in two weeks.

Speaker 4 It's a whole different, you got 82 games or 100, well, you got 160 some games.

Speaker 9 I'll sell like 62, 81 on the road.

Speaker 7 Right. Like a bunch of nerds, man.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we are. Football players are nerds.
That's why people like us.

Speaker 3 Did the guy renew his season tickets the next season

Speaker 9 uh they did not renew after the divorce

Speaker 3 the thing that we do have did the player stay on the team

Speaker 9 yeah no but not for that reason wow so it's all for not

Speaker 4 we do have where we do have a little bit of this type of behavior is in seating charts is like on the plane no not on the plane in the stadium oh well you got to make sure the family section is different from

Speaker 4 i mean i'm sure that you guys are aware of that and and also the wristbands to get into there's like a family room or like an area a backstage sort of area where you go to if you need a break or to get some food or to meet the players after the game that's a big thing and that's where we've had a couple fights where someone gave someone else a wristband so like flavor of the week in in a city there are obviously some people who frequent the clubs and parties and there was uh someone who was friends with multiple people on the team and they let him into the family room

Speaker 7 created a beef. You guys never have that conversation at the beginning of the year?

Speaker 4 I think it was, no, probably.

Speaker 7 No, like, I'm telling you, as an organization, David, I'm sure you guys had this too. It's like, you get this many family room credentials.
This is for family. This isn't for.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 you have that conversation, but if you are new to the city, and you meet someone that you like and she becomes your girlfriend and you give her a wristband to get into the family and friends.

Speaker 4 You did not know that maybe she was someone else's friend at some point. Poor family.

Speaker 4 And then they get into the room and then there's some issue because the wife is like, what's this person doing here?

Speaker 9 So you're only talking about home games then because on the road you said there's no time to meet anybody because you have dinner, curfew, play, win the game, you said. Yeah.
Yeah. And then fly out.

Speaker 9 So you mean the home games?

Speaker 4 Speaking of these type of things, you think Zion Williamson is a bust?

Speaker 9 Oh, I think think that it i've been talking about that on nothing personal for years now how i don't care how good you are when you're on the court if you're only on the court 30 games a year you can't be considered a successful player now would i rather have john morant or zion I've said from the beginning I'd rather have John Morant, and that's given all of his off-court issues.

Speaker 9 Frankly, I'd probably rather go E, none of the above. But Zion's out of chances for me.

Speaker 9 They gave him that huge max deal, I mean, which made me crazy, a total waste because every year with him, it is something. And they just shut him down now.

Speaker 9 And you're going to say, oh, it's for tanking. There's nothing to play for.
No, I want to see that guy actually play and perform, not have him sit the way he always does.

Speaker 9 I think Zion Williamson is a clear bust.

Speaker 4 You're so angry about it, though. Like, that's the thing that...

Speaker 9 I want players to play.

Speaker 4 Well, Zion is the lightest that he's been since college. It appears that the injuries, some of them, I guess you could argue about his fault.

Speaker 4 And you said even taking along Jazz off-court issues, I think you could argue that Zion has some off-court concerns that could get in the way also. But I guess I'm just surprised and shocked.

Speaker 4 But it reiterates how valuable players of this level of talent are in the NBA.

Speaker 7 Zion is like the, is the toughest kind of case study because he is good. Like if he wasn't good, this would be an easy conversation.

Speaker 7 His contract, as you know, David, has provisions that are not common in the NBA in terms of a level of non-guarantee, a level of guarantee only if he hits weight and plays a certain number of games.

Speaker 7 That like for next year,

Speaker 7 it's 40% guaranteed had he stayed at a certain amount of weight and played at least 41 games, right? It's another 20% guarantee if he plays at least 51 games, right? So

Speaker 7 that's already a level of contract that we never see. in our league, right? So you could say, man, this guy's always hurt and he's always out of shape.

Speaker 7 We should cut him because we've got all this protection in the contract that basically allows us to walk away scot-free. The problem is he's good and you know it.

Speaker 7 And you know if it ever comes together, like in terms of just staying healthy, he's going to kill it somewhere else. And then you've got to explain to ownership how you let this guy just walk.

Speaker 7 The John Morant one

Speaker 7 is different because beyond his off-the-court issues, which seem to be behind him at this stage, he also gets hurt a lot. Not as much as Zion, but he's hardly a vision of health himself.

Speaker 7 And so both of those guys, and I would throw Joel and Biete in there in the conversation as well, it gets you into real murky waters because you know when they're healthy, they are elite.

Speaker 7 But the problem is when they're healthy, that part is not a guarantee.

Speaker 9 Teams are scattered. The sports world is scattered by players who have this intoxicating level of skill that when they're on the field, it's just so good.

Speaker 9 It's like poetry, except they get hurt all the time. And at some point, you just realize that's what you have here.
You have great skill. Sometimes you say great skill, no head.

Speaker 9 And you need both a head and skill to succeed at the big league level or at the professional level. Sometimes you have a great head and that overcomes not perfect skill.

Speaker 9 But the hardest thing, as you pointed out, is admitting to yourself when it's time to move on. And one of the lessons you learn at GM and president school is you're not going to get everyone right.

Speaker 9 And I'd rather be wrong early than right late.

Speaker 9 And Zion is a case for me where I don't want to throw any more good money after bad. I want to move on from him and reallocate my resources, start again.

Speaker 9 And if he ends up being healthy and good for 10 more years after this with someone else, that just counts as one of the bad. But I'd like my chances.

Speaker 7 David, how much does job security factor into that decision making?

Speaker 9 So it's why we like signing our GMs to long-term deals because we didn't like GMs.

Speaker 9 No matter what you say, it's a normal reaction that you don't think about five years from now if you're not going to be there five years from now.

Speaker 9 And if you're on the last year of your deal, which is what the Yankees do, they never extend people until their contract runs out and they hope the people are loyal enough to think about the future that may not benefit them.

Speaker 9 I have found that that is a rare trait for employees or presidents to have. It is totally normal to think about yourself and to act in your self-interest.

Speaker 9 It's actually expected at certain levels of the corporate ladder.

Speaker 9 And so, having people, that's why you give stock options and stock to people of public companies because it's in the best interest of everyone for the stock to go up. In sports, it's really hard.

Speaker 9 So, we tried to ameliorate that by doing longer-term deals.

Speaker 4 You don't want to get into a moral hazard situation. I wanted to run something by you.
I never quite got to any of my solves for tanking because Amin was convinced that tanking isn't even an issue.

Speaker 4 But from

Speaker 4 a

Speaker 4 team president standpoint, I want to throw a couple solutions at you.

Speaker 4 One of the ideas that was floated that isn't my solution, but I would be on board is to have, rather than a draft, to have free agency.

Speaker 4 So anyone who's coming in, you could have you could put together a contract offer for a player who is a rookie in order to add that player to your team rather than to have the draft.

Speaker 4 One of the other solutions is to flatten the lottery odds for everyone who misses the playoffs.

Speaker 4 And then there was another solution that I thought was interesting that was to do what the WNBA does and have the record over the course of two years determine who is going to be, who's going to have the top pick.

Speaker 4 Are any of those more or less attractive to you?

Speaker 9 Well, a lot of those exist. Go back to Patrick Ewing's lottery, and maybe I'm wrong, but I think everybody had the same odds because it was your logo in an envelope in a jar.
Yep.

Speaker 9 I think everyone was equal there.

Speaker 9 In baseball, baseball, under the new CBA, you cannot get the top pick multiple years in a row. But let's talk about what you're saying about tanking and the reason for it.

Speaker 9 Everyone talks about tanking for a player.

Speaker 9 And I don't believe that as a front office, we ever did that. In baseball, it's really hard to because you're 1-1 overall.
It's still only a 50% chance of hitting.

Speaker 9 But I've thought about it in basketball. And when it's a straight line where you have the worst record, you have the top pick, tanking for that absolutely makes sense.

Speaker 9 But if they've changed it the way they did in the NBA, where you're not guaranteed that, then tanking all of a sudden doesn't increase anything but your number of ping-pong balls.

Speaker 9 And that has proven not to be as important as what we're seeing now with Philly that you were discussing, which is protecting a pick period.

Speaker 9 So what I would propose to do is to disallow any trades of first-round picks that are protected.

Speaker 9 When you make a trade and you're willing to trade your first round pick you're throwing caution to the wind it may be the number one pick it may be the number 30 pick it doesn't matter because what protection does is it actually incentivizes a team on the edge to make sure that they no longer on that edge and i think that's a big problem might be the first time i've ever agreed with you or anything david see that's who you go you got to watch your bet fellows are good job david good answer yeah i like this bet fellow you don't like that as an idea no i don't i i don't i like protections i like i like the idea of betting people's futures.

Speaker 7 I like the idea.

Speaker 1 Well, you can still bet the future without the protection.

Speaker 7 I know, but

Speaker 7 I like the added complexity of like, how sure are you on this bet, right? When it turns into protections, we're basically giving shades of gray to what would be a black or white issue.

Speaker 4 When I was talking earlier about any type of tweaks, and I've been a part of a couple CBA negotiations, and everything that you put into, every rule that you put into

Speaker 4 the next CBA always has some knock-on effect that was not what you anticipated.

Speaker 7 Called unintended consequences.

Speaker 9 Unintended consequences.

Speaker 4 And that's always, you always think that you're going to solve this problem.

Speaker 4 I think the NBA is an example of it in that like they put in the max salary because they were like, all right, we need to make sure that more money goes to lower players.

Speaker 7 No, it wasn't because of that.

Speaker 7 It wasn't about distribution.

Speaker 4 It was about Kevin Garnett's got how much? No, these salaries out of control.

Speaker 7 And they thought like this will get salaries in line. And what ended up happening was it just redistributed the money to create this massive middle class.

Speaker 7 So, in the beginning, it was the owners who wanted max salaries, and the players are like, Absolutely not, because the players association was led by Patrick Ewing and like David Falk and all the big money guys, right?

Speaker 7 And now it's flipped where it's like the owners, like, why do we have max salaries?

Speaker 4 And the players are like, no, we need them. Because the unintended consequence of the max salary, and

Speaker 4 Charlie talks about this very often as a Wizards fan. And any team who, anyone who's a fan of a team that doesn't have one of those top 15 guys,

Speaker 4 you everyone, every team kind of has to give someone the max. And then you give the max to a guy who's not a top-tier guy.
And then your team, you can't build a competitor.

Speaker 4 And if you don't give a max to your top-tier guy, he leaves. So that's one of the knock-on effects of the guaranteed or the max salary is it impacts the rosters in that way.

Speaker 4 So I think whenever we make any of these proposals, you have to be aware of the knock-on effects. So I threw a couple out there that I did not agree with.

Speaker 4 David, you were opening your mouth to say something.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I just want to say that I wish you worked for MLB's union because you threw one out there that I don't know if you meant, but you were calling for immediate free agency and the elimination of the draft.

Speaker 9 Amen.

Speaker 9 We propose that always.

Speaker 9 Immediate free agency, permanent free agency every single year, no problem. And the union said no, thank you.
Because they did not want that for their players.

Speaker 4 That's a whole nother conversation, which like I didn't want to get into specifically.

Speaker 4 Free agency, you still have contracts it's not a free agent every year you sign a contract for however long you determine the contract is going to be for but the solve that I wanted to throw at you for tanking and you specifically is the reason why I think a lot of these tanking solves don't work is because we're looking to disincentivize teams from losing and I think that not only do we have to do that but we have to incentivize them to win so my argument would be that particularly because you're impacting the entertainment quality of the game by putting trash lineups on the floor, that the top eight teams in every conference that make the playoffs, top 16 teams in the league, get one distribution, one level of distribution of the TV money.

Speaker 4 Then all the teams after that who do not make it in, you get a tiered lower level of revenue distribution

Speaker 4 based on where you rank because then you also are incentivized and it does not, it I can't foresee any knock-on effects that will be a problem for roster construction going forward and it holds the team accountable and incentivizes them to put their best product on the floor if you want to get your top distribution get in the damn playoffs If you don't, go ahead and lose.

Speaker 9 You won't get one vote for that. You won't even get the Dodgers to vote for that.
You will. Because at the end of the day, every league is 500 at the end of every season.
You will.

Speaker 9 And so there's going to be teams that miss the playoffs. And even the Yankees, from time to time, will miss the playoffs.
And there's no way they're going to take a smaller cut of their TV revenue.

Speaker 9 It impacts valuation and cash flow. It impacts budgeting.
You wouldn't get one vote out of 30 teams.

Speaker 4 You'll get a couple votes. You probably wouldn't get enough to get it passed, but it's the most infuriating thing.

Speaker 4 I'm going to let you go after this, but one of the most infuriating things about pro sports owners is how much they love capitalism until you try to apply it to them.

Speaker 4 You all exist in this cartel, a closed ecosystem where no matter how bad your restaurant is, you're still going to turn a profit.

Speaker 4 No matter how broken your McFlurry machine is, no matter how trash you are.

Speaker 9 Somebody hurt you, Dominic.

Speaker 4 You can't. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I mean, somebody hurt you badly, and I'm sorry for that.

Speaker 4 My guess is

Speaker 4 hold on, hold on, David. Don't you misdirect.
Yes, I've been hurting my life.

Speaker 4 Doesn't change the fact that you assholes exist in a system where you get to, no matter what you produce, go go ahead and cash in and i wish we were in a situation where the the franchise the freeloading franchises would have to compete in a way that forced them to put the best product on the field and you don't get to just show up and be trash and get a big it's amazing domini relegate you bomb

Speaker 9 relegate them it's amazing relegate them

Speaker 4 i don't want to talk to you anymore you're out of here

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