Hour 1: An Extra Minute With John Fanta

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All right, time for some tourny talk. We're bringing in college football experts, John.

Speaker 1 Or excuse me, college football.

Speaker 3 Get your mind off the gridiron.

Speaker 1 My bad, it's hard. Well, I mean, hard wood.
John Fanta is also

Speaker 1 a football enthusiast, but we have him here to talk about basketball.

Speaker 1 He might be interesting to talk to you about the proposal that I just made to David Sampson because, John, welcome to the show. You're a Browns fan, right, sir?

Speaker 1 Come on now.

Speaker 4 Of course, I'm a Cleveland Browns fan guy. Come on now.

Speaker 4 I'm waiting on my next quarterback here. I got the number two pick in the draft.
Now,

Speaker 4 I don't know what we're going to do.

Speaker 4 I don't think Cam Ward's not going to be on the table for me, but hope springs eternal.

Speaker 1 Do you want? Are you one who wants your door, or would you rather go ahead and get Abdul Carter or I guess or Travis Hunter is a possibility there also?

Speaker 4 So, you know what, guys? My belief system is always this. If you don't have it right at QB1, what does it really matter?

Speaker 4 But by the same token, at the number two pick, to me, Abdul Carter is such an overwhelmingly talented player that it's hard for me to pass him by

Speaker 4 when at number two,

Speaker 4 there are real questions then about the value of Shadur in that slot in the draft. If they go and get him,

Speaker 4 I'm good with it, guys, because I got to get that position right. And let's face it, I'm not saying that he is this, but a year ago, we didn't have Jaden Daniels doing what he's doing.

Speaker 4 And you can go right down the line of other cases in the National Football League. So I'm good with either route.
I really am.

Speaker 1 All right. Speaking of overwhelmingly talented, right now we got all one seeds, all chalk in the Final Four.
And it's like, it's not just that they're one seeds.

Speaker 1 I think they're four of the best, or excuse me, four of the top 10 Kin Palm teams ever in these Final Fours. Like, how excited are we?

Speaker 1 Are you one of these guys who wishes we had one Cinderella in here, or are you super excited about the overwhelming amount of talent and great coaching that we have in this year's tournament?

Speaker 4 You know what, Dominique?

Speaker 4 My thing is,

Speaker 4 when I look at this lineup of teams, this is historic because the last time that we had it happen was 2008, and that's the only other time it's occurred.

Speaker 4 That being Memphis, Carolina, UCLA, and Kansas. Think about this.
These four teams have a higher efficiency rating than 21 of the last 22 national champions.

Speaker 4 I want to see the clash of the Titans. I want to see the best teams play each other.

Speaker 4 And it's going to be fascinating to see this weekend in San Antonio, where you have Duke, the most efficient offensive team in the country, against Houston, the best defensive team in the country, where you have Auburn in Florida.

Speaker 4 And for the better part of the year, Auburn was the number one team in the country. They've been the number one the most weeks.

Speaker 4 But they lost the last time they met Florida, the only time they've met Florida this year. And it came at home inside Neville Laurena.
So there's a bunch of storylines. I truly believe this.

Speaker 4 We had it so good in the Cinderella Con the last couple of years.

Speaker 4 And while college sports is nuts and college basketball is wild, it's basketball, guys. This is not like football in the trenches

Speaker 4 where the comparable to a Cinderella meets the heavyweight and gets blasted at the line of scrimmage, and it's not a game. I think that Cinderella's carriage has stopped at the BP or the shell.

Speaker 4 They're getting the gas tank up. And in 2026, we're going to see that carriage run right back through.
I do believe that.

Speaker 4 But let's not deny that sometimes when Cinderella has made it this deep in the dance, at some point, they even turn back into a pumpkin in the tournament.

Speaker 4 These four teams make for quite the weekend in San Ann.

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Speaker 3 Nobody calls it San Ann.

Speaker 1 They do now. Hold on.
We just kicked it off. I call it San Ann right now.
Do you do a bracket?

Speaker 4 Do I do a bracket? Yeah.

Speaker 1 What do you mean?

Speaker 1 I didn't know if he did one.

Speaker 4 Does Maury read paternity test results?

Speaker 1 Oh, just speaking my language. I love Maury.

Speaker 4 Do cows get milked?

Speaker 4 Come on now.

Speaker 1 How did you do this year? I guess that's more, a better question. How did your bracket turn out this year?

Speaker 4 Well, I had three of the final four.

Speaker 4 So I wasn't going to go chalk, chalk, chalk, chalk.

Speaker 4 You know, I thought, I did think it was funny that the people who did and everybody ripped them on selections.

Speaker 4 Look, you can't just go all chalk, but I did think the top of the country was overwhelmingly good.

Speaker 4 I thought Michigan State could end up making the magic happen and Izzo in his 30th year could get there. I did okay.
I thought UC San Diego was going to make a run in this tournament.

Speaker 4 They, you know, I talked with Dusty May about this. He's the head coach of Michigan.

Speaker 4 And he's like, when people say that the Cinderella thing is dead, he's like, you see San Diego was a possession away from beating us.

Speaker 4 He's like, it's basketball, man. Like, wait, I've been on the other side of that at Florida Atlantic when we made the improbable run.

Speaker 4 You just simply never know what can happen in this thing. And that's why, like, think about this, fellas.
Shouldn't Texas Tech be in the final four? They were up by nine with 251 to go in the game.

Speaker 4 Up by nine with 251. You're wondering how the hell they lose that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 four teams that are here, and I alluded to the coaches earlier, two of them are 65 or over, then the other two are 40 and under.

Speaker 1 With the changing dynamics in college sports, I think if you would have asked me, I would have said, you know what? Only young coaches.

Speaker 1 From here on out, because of how this has all changed, like what am I to make of the idea that Pearl and Samson are in here with Golden and Shire?

Speaker 4 A couple of guys who are willing to adapt and accept the fact that their team's on the clock from two to five every day and the other 21 hours of the day, they're not. Because that's our world now.

Speaker 4 It just is. It's different.
Different time, different place.

Speaker 4 And I think for like a guy like Bruce Pearl, he figured out, you know what? My football program's one of the best things I got going. We're going to make money off that.
We're going to have cash.

Speaker 4 I'm going to do my very best to energize the sport of basketball. We're in this climate right now where some of these basketball coaches, some of these football coaches like to get in some sort of a

Speaker 4 match where who's better? Who's this? Who's that? I think Bruce has done a brilliant job of kind of just making it, making it a celebration of Auburn sports.

Speaker 4 And he has adapted, and he's so open to doing media. He's willing to talk to people.
His kids want to play for him. There's an energy around that.

Speaker 4 As for Kelvin Sampson, guys, I got to tell you, I'm amazed by the building job he has done. And I don't think anybody could have predicted this.
The last five years, they owned 15 NCA tournament wins.

Speaker 4 That's two more than anybody else.

Speaker 4 They're staggeringly strong. I mean, multiple final four trips, two final fours, four four sweet 16s, three elite eights.
This is at Houston, and they move into the Big 12.

Speaker 4 They only take one loss the entire Big 12. What do I credit for that? Kelvin, being an older coach, can

Speaker 4 say things and do things with his players that I don't know if coaches under 40 can do because I don't think it resonates and I don't think it comes through the way. It's a different generation.

Speaker 4 But it is interesting in college basketball where a Tom Izzo, a Rick Petino, a Kelvin Sampson can do and say

Speaker 4 things that maybe the Todd Golden, right, can't or John Shire

Speaker 4 aren't saying in their practices. But also there are many coaches who have quit because I think they thought that message would get lost in today's times.

Speaker 4 Really, the older generation, certain guys are still able to do it. So it is a fascinating dichotomy.
But I do think, fellas,

Speaker 4 we're in a world where we're going to continue to see the younger coaches step up and thrive because they want to be in this pro model, relate to the kids' model.

Speaker 3 John, that's really fascinating because, as you mentioned toward the end of your answer, there, most older generation guys say, I can't coach them. I can't talk to these kids.

Speaker 3 I mean, I've talked to coaches and even NBA veteran players and say, man,

Speaker 3 if you talk to them the way you used to talk to us,

Speaker 3 you lose the kid forever. So, what is it about Kelvin Sampson, about Coach Izzo, about

Speaker 3 Coach Pearl that they're still able to keep that old school style about them?

Speaker 4 They recruit the families. They recruit the families.
They tell the parents, here's what you're in for.

Speaker 1 I know you got a heart out. So

Speaker 1 lightning round coming up real quick. Okay.
You ready? Great question, though. It's a great question.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and I can give you an extra. I'll add an extra minute because you two have been fantastic.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay. I appreciate it.
We got an extra minute, guys. Woo! Wasted.
Go. All right, here we go.
So who is the team?

Speaker 1 If you are parachuting into this tournament and you're watching the Final Four, who is the fan favorite? Who should we be rooting for? And why is it Kelvin Sampson?

Speaker 4 It's Kelvin Sampson because

Speaker 4 he's never won a national championship.

Speaker 4 I think when you haven't won a title, we're in this world. We're like, you have to back up your success with a ring.
And it's like, well, it's six one-game tournaments, not one six-game.

Speaker 4 You got to win six games in a row. He's preached his culture of toughness.
People have given him flack at times for being limited offensively. It'd be an amazing story.

Speaker 4 I think it's his best chance to get that elusive title.

Speaker 1 What am I to make of this new tournament, The Crown? Like, there's a whole nother basketball tournament. The crown is yours? Is there something?

Speaker 1 Is that something that college basketball appreciates and is trying to

Speaker 1 appreciate and respects already?

Speaker 4 Well, I think that it's an interesting tournament because it's coming during a week when a lot of people are still starving for basketball.

Speaker 4 And they're also starving to, you know, to get in on the action, if you will, watch these games and check out.

Speaker 4 Exactly. Exactly.
So I think in that respect,

Speaker 4 it's got some upside there.

Speaker 4 You get a game like Villanova UFC is a is a quarterfinal game in this tournament. Just going to be real with you guys, that's better than any game that we've had in the NIT from the brand perspective.

Speaker 4 So I think for them, between the games, between some of the star players, they're giving out NIL money. I think that NIL is only going to rise up, which is everything in college hoops.

Speaker 4 I think it's going to have staying power. And it's in Vegas.

Speaker 1 Broader than the tournament, we know about the NIL and the

Speaker 1 revenue sharing plan coming forward.

Speaker 1 The most recent articles that I've read suggest that the Big East is going to become a basketball power because of the disproportionate amount of money that they'll be able to spend on their basketball programs because they don't have to support football programs.

Speaker 1 Is that something we should expect? So should next year's Final Four and the Final Four after that be all Big East teams, or is there something else coming down the pike?

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy talking.

Speaker 4 To me, it's SEC, ACC, and Big Ten coaches expressing, and Big 12 coaches expressing this heavy concern because Big East programs are going to be able to dedicate more money from rev sharing.

Speaker 4 Okay, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 SEC coaches have never made under-the-table deals.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Never paid cash. Come on,

Speaker 1 let's get under the table.

Speaker 4 The Big East is set for success, but it's all the Big East has always had a spot on the table.

Speaker 4 Like, it's, it's, but whether, whether they have, come on, three, four final, that's not going to happen to that degree. The conference is, is in a good place because it values basketball.

Speaker 4 And in college basketball, it's going to continue. They got big personalities, big-time coaches with Patino, with Hurley, and so on.

Speaker 4 That's what keeps the league going on top of its prioritizing of hoops. The SEC, the Big Ten, these other leagues,

Speaker 4 the concept, the idea, the thing put in the press that they're not going to have dollars, get the hell out of here.

Speaker 1 Let's go.

Speaker 1 way to go john fanta awesome appearance thank you so much man john fanta did it he's the man our first successful interview thanks to a great john fanta

Speaker 4 thank you guys thanks for not rejecting me

Speaker 1 started with a bark ended with a bark that's a great point he should have been here hawk should have been here why oh

Speaker 1 browns thing oh yeah

Speaker 1 yeah absolutely um i want to commend you all no one referenced soda in that entire interview. Thank you so much.
Good job, guys.

Speaker 5 We were just doing it before we, he's got to be a Fanta drinker, right?

Speaker 1 But I mean, you got to like Fanta.

Speaker 1 Right, but isn't it also like, don't you think that he gets that hackiest question?

Speaker 1 So that's why I'm proud of you guys.

Speaker 5 That's what we would have done if Dan were here.

Speaker 3 Do you want to do damn impressions?

Speaker 3 How he would have asked that question?

Speaker 1 Danny. Charlie? Charlie's like,

Speaker 1 I can't do it on command.

Speaker 1 No, I, Dan, new respect for Dan. We all love and appreciate Dan.
We are here. No? Friends Williams.
There we go.

Speaker 1 Billy, we got an update on the search for

Speaker 1 Jason Mason.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jason Mason has been contacted. Ooh.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so we're waiting for you. Hold on.

Speaker 1 Hold on. Jason.
Timeout.

Speaker 3 You guys looked at a picture of Taylor that's like five or six years, however many years old, saw someone in the background and said, get me, you're not even in focus.

Speaker 3 His whole face is in the end of the picture. How do you guys know who he is?

Speaker 1 No, well, we were making fun. Well, Dominique was making fun of Taylor.
Oh, I was not making fun of Jason Mason. I was making fun of Taylor.
I mean,

Speaker 3 you used Jason Mason as a means to make fun of Taylor.

Speaker 1 I mean, I was a little confused why he needed to have glasses. That's why he's burning.

Speaker 3 That's a good point.

Speaker 1 Just like, I would assume that you want to drop all the way that you can. And like, I know that maybe you can't read small things, but you can see.

Speaker 3 You know why? Because he's not a nerd like y'all. He's looking in the stands, like, okay, that one over there.

Speaker 1 All right, okay. Second row, I see you over here.

Speaker 3 Go ahead, buddy.

Speaker 1 Jason Mason.

Speaker 3 Why does he have his first name on it?

Speaker 3 I am fear of courtesy of myself, Jason.

Speaker 1 You're doing all the jokes we did yesterday. It's good humor.
I think it's just.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he plays for George Mason.

Speaker 3 He looks like he... George Mason, where's the George?

Speaker 1 He's a playtrack. Well, that's a good question.
It just says Mason.

Speaker 1 I love the way that it's it's moved.

Speaker 3 Oh, gotcha. Also, he looks exhausted.
Taylor looks like he's just out here warming up. Well, Jason looks exhausted.
Is his name Jason?

Speaker 1 By the way, I keep talking. Yeah, his name is Jason Mason.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 His name's not Jason Mason. You said you contacted him.
What's his name, Billy? Do you know his name? He has been contacted. Hold on a second.
I'll get it for you right now. Anthony Williams.

Speaker 1 There you go. Oh,

Speaker 1 Anthony Williams.

Speaker 3 No, you're just making that name up. No, that's his name.

Speaker 1 Tony Will. Tony Will.

Speaker 1 Buddy. You got to deal with a buddy.
Tony Will, buddy.

Speaker 3 Well, what would his hockey name be?

Speaker 1 Willsy? So we've contacted him. I'm not sure if he's joining us, but maybe next hour.
Negotiations. Yeah, we're ongoing.
We're trying to figure it out.

Speaker 1 We're also getting to the bottom of that race, also. So that photo

Speaker 1 might tell a different story than the results of that race.

Speaker 1 Hell of a tease.

Speaker 1 D.

Speaker 3 Wait a second.

Speaker 1 It does. Taylor lost the race.

Speaker 1 And confirmed in that race, Taylor was on the North Carolina C team.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Taylor. But in Taylor's defense, North Carolina C team did have a better time in the race than the North Carolina B team.

Speaker 1 Where was the A team? However, they did lose. Where was the A team?

Speaker 1 Well, the A team wasn't even on the C

Speaker 1 so far.

Speaker 3 Was Taylor scholarship? I know he walked on for football. Did he walk on for track as well?

Speaker 1 Yes. And he also walked off the team the next year because he didn't like the coach.

Speaker 1 Jesus.

Speaker 1 Who we found out was my coach when I did Track.

Speaker 1 you. Oh, yes.

Speaker 3 No, no, you guys are messing with me.

Speaker 1 No, we found that out on Mystery Crate. Did you like him? Yeah, I liked him.
It was fine.

Speaker 1 You're a good athlete, so I um

Speaker 1 coaches tend to like good athletes. That tends to be the case.

Speaker 1 I liked him. I didn't say he liked me.
Right. I think that's normally what happens is with coaches.
You're a good athlete. They treat you well.
You like them. They like you.

Speaker 1 That's always been my experience. I

Speaker 1 never really had a coach I didn't didn't like met a lot of guys who work at foot foot locker who said that their coaches were assholes happens all the time man if it wasn't for that coach hating on me man bruh you know you know who coaches don't hate the dudes who make their job a lot easier well i did i didn't do that i because i had a situation in track where i sprained one ankle like really bad and then i was in the uh like i was in the training room like basically all the time and i was like would just go in do the treatment be in the training room forever and i thought that's all i had to do because i couldn't walk couldn't couldn't do anything and then he was mad at me he's like well you still should have been coming to practice i'm like what am i gonna do like i can't pole vault with a sprained ankle and like a brace on like so then i came back swear to god came back first day back go up come down sprain the opposite ankle first day back in practice so i'm telling you i don't think he liked me at all because the first sprained ankle pick up basketball oh yeah and he told me he's like if you if you were not a walk-on you would not be on this team right now like i would have if you're a scholarship guy and you were playing basketball and sprained your ankle, you would have been gone.

Speaker 1 I was like, okay, coach.

Speaker 1 I fight you. Let's figure it out.
The funny thing is, like, we did it all the time. Like, we played basketball in college all the time.
The coaches didn't mind. They didn't hate it.

Speaker 1 They appreciated it. I hated it.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Playing against the football players? It was

Speaker 1 weird. We would play

Speaker 1 a version of basketball.

Speaker 1 It was physical. No fouls.
Oh.

Speaker 1 No jump shots. Oh, yeah.
Why do you think slam ball never caught up? A lot of dunks, though. Like, slam ball was like everyone's dream as a child, like trampoline basketball.

Speaker 1 Aren't there like some serious injuries in slam ball? I feel old. It was like jacked up.
I feel like that might have been

Speaker 1 serious. Aren't those trampoline parks like

Speaker 5 people are just tearing ligaments left and right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Knock on wood.
I've taken my daughter to those trampoline parks. Never seen an ambulance.
And there's always hundreds of people. Never seen an ambulance.

Speaker 5 I would think

Speaker 1 straight in the hearse. I would think once a day someone's tearing something and there's an ambulance coming.
No, they just, so they have it happen so often that they got a well-oiled machine.

Speaker 1 They get them out, they get them to the back room, they bring out the blue tint before you can see it. They just tent the kids.

Speaker 5 Are you calling an ambulance if you just like

Speaker 5 sprain your meniscus? Like, you're probably going home and you're like, uh-oh, that doesn't feel good.

Speaker 1 And then you're going to the doctor and that lawsuit, though, I'm trying to sue.

Speaker 1 I feel like, Chris, you're the type to get on there. I need an ambulance.
I can't move. No, not you need an ambulance, but you're the type because I've been to those.

Speaker 1 My kids are probably just leaving that range. My youngest kid just leaves in the range where I have to go to those type of parks.
Never once step foot on there. Same.
I don't actually jump.

Speaker 1 I just watch.

Speaker 5 That's a place where you're signing waivers, though, right?

Speaker 1 Chris?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. You're not suing.
There's a whole line for the waiver part before you get to the pay part. It's like you sign this waiver and then you can go pay.
You can do it ahead of time.

Speaker 1 And if you do it ahead of time, when you get there, they make you physically sign it also. So like you can go through an electronic waiver process.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, yeah, we're going to breeze right through it. Then I get there and they're like, you did an electronic waiver.
We see. Now fill it out with ink.

Speaker 3 Oh, they make you do it twice?

Speaker 1 Oh, hell yeah. They ain't playing.
You're not going to get no suing then.

Speaker 3 That place is, I'm going to tell you right now, that's not fun. Like,

Speaker 3 the trampoline park?

Speaker 1 Kids love it, obviously.

Speaker 3 Kids love it because they don't.

Speaker 1 What? Kid, like, six ACLs. Kids thing is fun for adults.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh,

Speaker 3 come on now. Chuck E.
Cheese?

Speaker 1 American Ninja Warrior? Is that for kids? I do like doing Papa Shot of Chuck E. Cheese.

Speaker 1 I do like an arcade because I can do it. Let me get the card for a second.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude, man. I like that.
They do. So the gymnastics, Dominique Dawes has gymnastics

Speaker 1 gyms in the Maryland area, and they also, their gymnastics half ninja course. So like the kids, my youngest daughter loves ninja courses.
Kids do love ninja courses.

Speaker 3 Is it swiveling with like cold water underneath?

Speaker 1 I don't think they have swiveling cold water things.

Speaker 1 They do have basketball hoops, though.

Speaker 1 Corner three off.

Speaker 3 You don't, you know, they don't shoot too much at the trampoline parks. You know that, right?

Speaker 3 There's a trampoline there for a reason.

Speaker 1 At the trampoline park, I take my daughter to, they have like an American gladiator thing where you walk out on like this thing and you have like the, you're battling with someone, some aggressive.

Speaker 1 That's always where I'm at, just watching those things. Watching those kids.
The parents are getting mad at other parents' kids. Like, he's hitting.
You're supposed to push.

Speaker 1 I got you over there with

Speaker 1 taking bets. Yep.

Speaker 1 You got it. You're like, hey, who's got a red shirt?

Speaker 1 I'm putting odds on every matchup for sure. Red shirt's been on a three-game runner.
Who's the next going to take on?

Speaker 1 Blue shirt going to take on red shirt. What you got on that? You're just a numbers runner.

Speaker 3 It's like just chicken fighting.

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Speaker 1 This is the Don Lebatar Show with his two guys.

Speaker 5 Can I say something about our last interview that I've been thinking about for 10 minutes now?

Speaker 1 He's a red Fanta guy.

Speaker 5 I don't like when adult sports fans bark.

Speaker 1 What's the setting that it's appropriate?

Speaker 4 What? I just.

Speaker 3 Oh, if you're talking to Willow, it's okay. But

Speaker 1 at her. Yes, you do.
I've seen her. What age is barking no longer?

Speaker 5 You have me sitting there with my dog, like, woof woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, woof.

Speaker 3 And Willow goes like this, oh,

Speaker 3 you've been talking all day. I'm like, what's she talking about?

Speaker 1 Is there like an age where barking is no longer like appropriate?

Speaker 5 I mean, if kids do it, I'm not going to be like, oh, like,

Speaker 1 well, I don't like kids, so maybe I would.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 5 in reality, though, maybe 18, maybe we'll just say the cutoff is college age. I don't know.
It's like Georgia games, Browns games, like those are the places where you get barked at the most.

Speaker 1 And they got to throw the fist pump too with it. Our city will haul.
That's our city. And they do it because they know it's annoying.

Speaker 5 This isn't like a surprise to anyone.

Speaker 1 I hate sometimes when that happens, man.

Speaker 3 Yeah. You're waiting for that window.
Like, just go, just give me a second. Just give me a second.

Speaker 1 I'm going to jump in and say what it means when you say that. Oh, like, yes, man.
I didn't realize I had a whole setup, man.

Speaker 1 My apologies. Let's pretend like I didn't.
No, Arsenal Hall. I'll do it again.

Speaker 1 My party, I'll start again. What's the age, like, the cutoff for like barking? I think if kids

Speaker 1 nailed it.

Speaker 1 Charlie and I have been work friends for a long time. And I think in the last year or so, we've probably become like real friends.
Oh, wow. In the last year?

Speaker 1 Damn. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Charlie. No,

Speaker 1 I'm trying to be. I'm going to explain it to you.
No, I think that the friend progression. So there is a level of friend that when you know all the embarrassing stuff, that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 Like, I think that a lot of people you consider your friend, but you don't, you're not really friends until you start to meet their friends and you start to find out things.

Speaker 1 So when Jessica was talking about fans barking, all I could think about was Charlie's friend who, and this is not a friend from last night, this is a different friend.

Speaker 1 This is a different friend who says, or not says, who on third downs, he's a Commanders fan, and on every third down,

Speaker 1 he gets it a three-point stance and says, let's heat him up. Yep.
Three-point stance guy.

Speaker 3 At a bar. Let's.

Speaker 1 Losing to the Eagles by 50.

Speaker 1 At a bar? What's he say? Heat him up. You got bliss.
Send the bliss. That just means like get some pressure.
Heat him up. We got to heat him up.

Speaker 5 You want to do a stance at a bar?

Speaker 1 Hand in the dirt. Stop it.
So,

Speaker 1 Jessica,

Speaker 1 this is why I said it's only been the last year or so that I feel like Charlie and I are at a level of friendship where where I really know Charlie because I would never introduce anyone to my three-point.

Speaker 1 I have friends who do very embarrassing things. Three-point stance at a bar every third down, yells, let's heat them up.

Speaker 3 So, this is how I'm going to figure out what this level of equality in this friendship is. Charlie, have you met any of his friends?

Speaker 1 I am his friend. There it is.
I mean, you met Kevin. Kevin came to the show a couple times.
And DeQuel. Oh, yeah, yeah.
You met DeQuel a bunch of times. So, yeah.

Speaker 1 He hasn't met any of my embarrassing friends.

Speaker 3 That's what I was asking for. I wasn't asked for the regular fight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't. I'm trying to think who would embarrass me.
Go ahead. I'm not embarrassed by my three-point stance for you.
Yeah, he's not embarrassed.

Speaker 5 This is why there's a male loneliness epidemic.

Speaker 3 This is why that's all.

Speaker 1 I'll take all the friends I can get. I'm doing three-point stances at the bottom.

Speaker 1 Let's heat him up. It's third down.
We got to get a stop.

Speaker 1 It was real tough in that NFC championship game against the Eagles. He continued to get into the three-point stance.
One sack fumble away.

Speaker 5 His hand is on the floor.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm imagining.

Speaker 1 Is it on the bar? is it on the no the four point stance the floor the floor he put it on the floor yes like sticky so

Speaker 1 when it was tush push time did he get in a four-point stance because you know you got to get four point stance for tush push three point only he's an edge guy he's an edge guy he's a pass rusher only on third down passing situations if i'm you i'm calling off sides every single time

Speaker 1 That's actually a great idea. I wonder how he would have reacted to that.
Not well.

Speaker 3 But you can't announce it. You got to just show up with a flag.
Throw the flag right in front of him right there.

Speaker 3 And then turn to an imaginary camera and be like, free play. All sides.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. His wife was very pregnant.
Free play, free play.

Speaker 1 His pregnant wife was there when

Speaker 1 she was delighted that he was at the bar in a three-point stance with me instead of at home with her.

Speaker 1 Wait, do it out? Do you do that at home? Hold on, hold on. I'm sorry.
I think I failed to explain this. Every single commander

Speaker 1 is unclear. I I can't confirm or deny that you guys have only seen of course he does it at home exactly he's doing it at a bar

Speaker 1 this you think that the man who does a three-point stance and yells let's heat him up at a bar is at home honey sitting with his leg

Speaker 1 I sure hope our boys are victorious on this very important pivotal third down no there's a let's heat him up there's a certain part of that that's for attention right that you would do at a bar that like at home why would you do he's a showman also I thought it was something repressed right Like, at home, it's like, don't you dare do that shit in here.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I was actually interpreting this differently. I thought this was like a good luck thing.
Like, he's like, this is what I have to do.

Speaker 3 That's how

Speaker 3 all along as this man's a lunatic.

Speaker 1 No, I think he believes the team needs him. It's one of those.
It's kind of a superstition, but it's like,

Speaker 1 I got to get down his three-point stance.

Speaker 1 I just think he loves ball. I'm not

Speaker 1 kidding. I don't think there's anything deep in it.
I do a less extreme version. Like, I'll stand up on a big third down on my couch where you're just like, I'm excited.

Speaker 1 Like, all right, come on, we need this. We need this right here.
Standing weird, but I'm not like getting in a

Speaker 1 antsy hands is a little weird, but antsy hands.

Speaker 3 Show me the antsy hands. That's just you just get up, you're like, all right,

Speaker 5 Chris, getting up and standing up is not the same as getting into a three-point squad.

Speaker 1 I'm saying, I do friends, too. He's like a pediatrician or something.
Yeah. Private equity.

Speaker 1 That's not people's money.

Speaker 3 Millions of dollars. Eat them up.

Speaker 1 Just eat them up.

Speaker 1 God.

Speaker 1 I went to a game last season. I got invited to the game and the third down thing made me think about it and was invited to this game in a box.
And a guy warned us before the game started.

Speaker 1 Look at me, Louie.

Speaker 1 Before the game started, he was like, he told the whole room, I just want you guys to know, I'm a third down noisemaker. It's a classification that I never heard of and I didn't know you needed.

Speaker 3 Now, that, I feel like in light of three-point stance guy, that has a wide lane to be.

Speaker 1 Because third down noise guy might be oh it's third down and on the jumbotron they say make noise and oh that might be third down noise guy or you might get into a three-point stance I didn't think it was the justification or clarification that you had to make until third downs hit and then what happened and then he went nuts and it was like a box where all the people were invited and you know there are certain boxes that are a little bit quieter it's like no one in here is like a super fan these are people like a fans of industry a company owned the the box and they brought people just as like a reward so in this box everyone's just like okay cool this is nice this is nice and he is going

Speaker 3 ape give me give me i need it just

Speaker 1 let's go let's go make some noise let's go like going i've been that guy before are you that guy that implores the people around

Speaker 1 on third down you stand up come on guys let's go let's go let's go let's go big right here big one right here

Speaker 1 you just want to kind of inspire other people around him you don't think the three-point stance is inspiring? No, it is. Like at a bar, it's just a lot.
Like the hand down on the gross bar floor.

Speaker 1 It's a, he's trying.

Speaker 3 Charlie, does he do it at games? Has he ever been to a game?

Speaker 1 I can't confirm. He's a season ticket guy.

Speaker 3 So, so he does it at games? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 3 I feel like that's a question that can be answered pretty quickly.

Speaker 5 Can you sort of do it for us? Because how is he sort of down but still can see the high-up TVs at the bar?

Speaker 1 Like, how is he able to focus on that? His hips are open.

Speaker 1 Good athlete. So that's how's his butt.

Speaker 1 Oh, Oh, strong, baby. Great glutes, great glutes.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I don't think that you can get into three-point stance at the bar. I just couldn't do it.
I appreciate those guys who bring that energy. I don't.
It makes it more fun. You don't?

Speaker 3 Ah, man. Well, I don't need, I don't need that, man.
You don't? I'm the, you know what? I'm the guy.

Speaker 3 First of all, in the bar for sure, because nine times out of ten, I don't know that there's, this is the Packers bar or whatever. So I'm just coming in like, hey, man, let me get a.

Speaker 3 And then some guys in the three-point stance, oh, Jesus Christ, man, come on, relax.

Speaker 3 You know what I am? I'm the asshole that says, they can't hear you.

Speaker 3 That guy's a dick.

Speaker 3 That guy's a dick. But that's who I am.
And it's not because I think they can't hear. It's because I know it's going to piss them off.

Speaker 1 Okay, so two-point stance, two feet on the ground. Three-point stance, one hand on the ground.
Four-point, two hands, two feet.

Speaker 1 What? Is the number that goes when you're just on your back

Speaker 1 in the bar?

Speaker 3 Touchdown.

Speaker 1 no no one knows just wondering just wondering just imagining that i'm at a bar some people two-point stance some points three-point stance and some there's a couple guys who drink enough that just pass out the three-point stance does stand out more because if i was doing like center uh middle linebacker stance it's just kind of like

Speaker 1 you know like squatting with your hands on your db stance is is just uh you're kind of like you know what what number is the stance where you have two feet in your face on the ground is that the foxworth stance It's definitely not the Foxworth stance.

Speaker 3 What the picture? I can't remember who it was. They're running off for a title.
It was a T.O. and you're just kind of on the ground.

Speaker 1 Michael Turner. That was Michael Turner.
Oh, Michael Turner. Yeah, Turner to Burner.

Speaker 1 Charlie was the producer of Highly Questionable, who used to pull up that picture all the time to try to embarrass me because I missed the tackle. I missed one tackle my whole career.
It's okay.

Speaker 3 They caught it on film, though.

Speaker 1 You don't sound mad at all.

Speaker 3 Is that how that works?

Speaker 1 I'm not mad. I love it.
I love you guys.

Speaker 1 i love three-point stance guy i don't come on man what are we doing this is why he does it because he's got friends like charlie like yeah man that's cool i think it's pretty cool come on man i would never be that guy we just made 10 minutes i guarantee you he hates tanking a meme

Speaker 1 like him more than guy who barks but no i'll take barker any day i think they're the same oh really any day

Speaker 1 well okay any guy definitely the same guy yeah they're the same guy i think they're the same guy just charlie's friend happens to be a fan of of a team.

Speaker 1 Do you think if Damon was here for the Jon Fanta interview after you asked about the bracket, he would have been like, Jon Fanta, a fan too?

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