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This is the Dan Levatore Show with the Stugatz Podcast. This episode of the Dan Levitard Show with Stugatz is presented by DraftKings.
DraftKings, the crown is yours. All right, Tom, for some torny talk, we're bringing in college football experts.
College football? Or excuse me, college. Get your mind off the gridiron.
My bad. That is yours.
All right, Tom, for some tourney talk, we're bringing in college football experts, John. College football? Or excuse me, college.
Get your mind off the gridiron. My bad, it's hard.
Well, I mean. Hard wood.
John Fanta is also a football enthusiast, but we have him here to talk about basketball. He might be interesting to talk to you about the proposal that I just made to David Sampson because, John, welcome to the show.
You're a Browns fan, right, sir? Come on now. We're still a Cleveland Browns fan guy.
Come on now. I'm waiting on my next quarterback here.
I got the number two pick in the draft. Now, I don't know what we're going to do.
I don't think Cam Ward's not going to be on the table for me. But hope springs eternal.
Do you want – are you one who wants your door, or would you rather go ahead and get Abdul Carter? Or I guess – or Travis Hunter is a possibility there also. So you know what, guys? My belief system is always this.
If you don't have it right at QB1,

what does it really matter?

But by the same token,

at the number two pick, to me, Abdul Carter

is such an overwhelmingly talented

player that it's hard for

me to pass him by

when at number

two, there

are real questions then about the value of Shadur in that slot in the draft. If they go and get him, I'm good with it, guys, because I got to get that position right.
And let's face it, I'm not saying that he is this, but a year ago, we didn't have Jaden Daniels doing what he's doing. And you can go right down the line of other cases in the National Football League.
So I'm good with either route. I really am.
All right. Speaking of overwhelmingly talented, right now we got all one seeds, all chalk in the Final Four.
And it's like it's not just that they're one seeds. I think they're four of the best, excuse me, four of the top ten Ken Palm teams ever in these Final Fours.
Like how excited are we? Are you one of these guys who wishes we had one Cinderella in here?

Or are you super excited about the overwhelming amount of talent

and great coaching that we have in this year's tournament?

You know what, Dominic?

My thing is, when I look at this lineup of teams,

this is historic because the last time that we had it happen was 2008, and that's the only other time it's occurred. That being Memphis, Carolina, UCLA, and Kansas.
Think about this. These four teams have a higher efficiency rating than 21 of the last 22 national champions.
So I want to see the clash of the Titans. I want to see the best teams play each other.
And it's going to be fascinating to see this weekend in San Antonio where you have Duke, the most efficient offensive team in the country against Houston, the best defensive team in the country, where you have Auburn in Florida. And for the better part of the year, Auburn was the number one team in the country.
They've been the number one the most weeks, but they lost the last time they met Florida. The only time they've met Florida this year.
And it came at home inside Neville Arena. So there's a bunch of storylines.
I truly believe this. We had it so good in the Cinderella column the last couple of years.
And while college sports is nuts and college basketball is wild, it's basketball, guys. This is not like football in the trenches where the comparable to a Cinderella meets the heavyweight and gets blasted at the line of scrimmage.
And it's not a game. I think that Cinderella's carriage has stopped at the BP or the shell.
They're getting the gas tank up. And in 2026, we're going to see that carriage run right back through.
I do believe that.

But let's not deny that

sometimes when Cinderella has made it

this deep in the dance,

at some point, they even

turn back into a pumpkin in the tournament.

These four teams make for

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Order one today. Nobody calls it San An.
They do now. We just kicked it off.
They call it San An right now. Do you do a bracket? Do I do a bracket? Yeah.
What kind of question is that? What do you mean? I didn't know if he did one. Does Maury read paternity test results? Oh, you're speaking my language.
I love Maury. Do cows get milked? I mean, come on now.
How did you do this year? I guess that's more a better question. How did your bracket turn out this year? Well, I had three of the final four.
I wasn't going to go chalk, chalk, chalk, chalk. You know, I thought I did think it was funny that the people who did and everybody ripped them on slush.
Look, you can't just go all chalk. But I did think the top of the country was overwhelmingly good.
I thought Michigan State could end up making the magic happen and Izzo in his 30th year could get there. I did okay.
I thought UC San Diego was going to make a run in this tournament. You know, I talked with Dusty May about this.
He's the head coach of Michigan. And he's like, when people say that the Cinderella thing is dead, he's like, UC San Diego was a possession away from beating us.
He's like, it's basketball, man. I've been on the other side of that at Florida Atlantic when we made the improbable run.
You just simply never know what could happen in this thing. And that's why, think about this, fellas.
Shouldn't Texas Tech be in the Final Four? They were up by nine with 251 to go in the game. Up by nine with 251.
You wonder how the hell they lose that. The four teams that are here, and I alluded to the coaches earlier, two of them are 65 or over.
Then the other two are 40 and under. With the changing dynamics in college sports, I think if you would have asked me, I would have said, you know what? Only young coaches.
From here on out, because of how this has all changed, what am I to make of the idea that Pearl and Sampson are in here with Golden and Shire? A couple of guys who are willing to adapt and accept the fact that their team's on the clock from 2 to 5 every day, and the other 21 hours of the day they're not, because that's our world now. It just is.
It's different. Different time, different place.
And I think for, like, a guy like Bruce Pearl, he figured out, you know what? My football program's one of the best things I got going. We're going to make money off that.
We're going to have cash. I'm going to do my very best to energize the sport of basketball.
We're in this climate right now where some of these basketball coaches, some of these football coaches like to get in some sort of a match where who's better, who's this, who's that. I think Bruce has done a brilliant job of kind of just making it a celebration of Auburn sports.
And he has adapted, and he's so open to doing media. He's willing to talk to people.
His kids want to play for him. There's an energy around that.
As for Kelvin Sampson, guys, I got to tell you, I'm amazed by the building job he has done. And I don't think anybody could have predicted this.
The last five years, they own 15 NCAA tournament wins. That's two more than anybody else.
They're staggeringly strong. I mean, multiple Final Four trips, two Final Fours, four Sweet 16s, three Elite 8s.
This is at Houston, and they move into the Big 12. They only take one, the entire big 12.
What do I credit for that? Kelvin being an older coach can say things and do things with his players. I don't know if coaches under 40 can, can do because I don't think it resonates and I don't think it comes through the way it's a different generation, but it is interesting in college basketball where a Tom Izzo, a Rick Pitino, a Kelvin Sampson can do and say things that maybe the Todd Golden, right, can't or John Shire aren't saying in their practices.
But also there are many coaches who have quit because I think they thought that message would get lost in today's times. And really the older generation, certain guys are still able to do it.
So it is a fascinating dichotomy, but I do think, fellas, we're in a world where we're going to continue to see the younger coaches step up and thrive because they want to be in this pro model, relate to the kids model. John, that's really fascinating because, as you mentioned toward the end of your answer there, most older generation guys say, I can't coach them, I can't talk to these kids.
I mean, I've talked to coaches and even NBA veteran players and say, man, if you talk to them the way you used to talk to us, you'll lose the kid forever. So what is it about Kelvin Sampson, about Coach Izzo, about Coach Pearl, that they're still able to keep that old school style about them? They recruit the families.
They recruit the families. They tell the parents, here's what you're in for.
I know you got a hard out. So lightning round coming up real quick, okay? You ready? Great question, though.
It's a great question. Yeah, and I can give you an extra.
I'll add an extra minute because you two have been fantastic. Okay, okay.
I appreciate it. We got an extra minute, guys.
Woo! Don't waste it. Go.
All right, here we go. So who is the team? If you're parachuting into this tournament and you're watching the Final Four, who is the fan favorite? Who should we be rooting for and why is it Kelvin Sampson? It's Kelvin Sampson because he's never won a national championship.
I think when you haven't won a title, we're in this world where you have to back up your success with a ring. It's six one-game tournaments, not one six-game.
You've got to win six games in a row. He's preached his culture of toughness.
People have given him flack at times for being limited offensively. It'd be an amazing story.
I think it's his best chance to get that elusive title. What am I to make of this new tournament, the crown? Like there's a whole nother basketball tournament.
Is there something, is that something that college basketball appreciates and is trying to is appreciates and respects already? Well, I think that it's an interesting tournament because it's coming during a week when a lot of people are still starving for basketball and are also starving to get in on the action, if you will. Watch these games.
Exactly. So I think in that respect, it's got some upside there.
You know, you get a game like Villanova, USC is a is a quarterfinal game in this tournament. Just going to be real with you guys.
That's better than any game that we've had in the NIT from from the brand perspective. So I think for them, between the games, between some of the star players, they're giving out NIL money.
I think that NIL is only going to rise up, which is everything in college hoops. I think it's going to have staying power, and it's in Vegas.
Broader than the tournament, we know about the NIL and the revenue-sharing plan coming forward. The most recent articles that I've read suggest that the Big East is going to become a basketball power because of the disproportionate amount of money that they'll be able to spend on their basketball programs because they don't have to support football programs.
Is that something we should expect? So should next year's Final Four and the Final Four after that be all Big East teams, or is there something else coming down the pike? Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy talking.
To me, it's SEC, ACC, and Big Ten coaches expressing, and Big 12 coaches expressing this heavy concern because Big East programs are going to be able to dedicate more money from rev sharing. Okay, I'm sorry.
SEC coaches have never made under-the-table deals. Yeah.
Never paid cash. Come on now.
Let's get under the table. The Big East is set for success.
But the Big East has always had a spot on the table. But whether they have, come on, three, four, final, that's not going to happen to that degree.
The conference is in a good place because it values basketball, and in college basketball, it's going to continue. They've got big personalities, big-time coaches with Patino, with Hurley, and so on.
That's what keeps the league going on top of its prioritizing of hoops. The SEC, the Big Ten, these other leagues, the concept, the idea, the thing put in the press that they're not going to have dollars? Get the hell out of here! Let's go! Way to go, John Fanta! Awesome appearance.
Thank you so much, man. John Fanta did it.
He's the man. Our first successful interview, thanks to a great John Fanta.
Enemy. Thank you, guys.
Thanks for not injecting me. Who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who.
Started with a bark, ended with a bark. That's a great man.
He should have been here. Hawk should have been here.
Why? Because it's a Browns thing. Oh, yeah, yeah.
He's a Browns guy. Yeah, absolutely.
I want to commend you all. No one referenced soda in that entire interview.
Thank you so much. Good job, guys.
We were just doing it before. He's got to be a Fanta drinker, right? You've got to like Fanta.
Your name's Fanta. Right, but isn't it also like, don't you think that he gets that? The hackiest question we could ask, probably.
So that's why I'm proud of you guys. That's what we would have done if Dan were here.
Start out on an awkward note. Do you want to do a damn impression on how he would have asked that question? Charlie? Charlie's like, I can't do it on command.
What? No, I, Dan, new respect for Dan. We all love and appreciate Dan.

We all here.

No?

Brent Williams.

There we go.

Billy, we got an update on the search for Jason Mason.

Yeah, Jason Mason has been contacted.

Ooh.

Yeah, so we're waiting more on Jason Mason.

Hold on.

Time out.

You guys looked at a picture of Taylor that's like five or six years old. Saw someone in the background and said, get me.
Is that how you're not even in focus? His whole face is in the other picture. How do you guys know who he is? No, well, we were making fun.
Well, Dominique was making fun of. I was not making fun of Jason Mason.
I was making fun of Taylor. You used Jason Mason as a means

to make fun of Taylor. I mean, I was a little

confused why he needed to have glasses on while

he was running. That's a good point, man.

Just like, I would assume that you would

drop all the way that you can, and like

I know that maybe you can't read small things,

but you can see. You know why?

Because he's not a nerd like y'all. He's looking in the

stands like, okay, that one over there.

Okay, second row, I see you over here.

Go ahead, bud.

Jason Mason. Why does he have his

Thank you. because he's not a nerd like y'all.
He's looking in the stands like, okay, that one over there. Okay, second row, I see you over here.
Go ahead, bud. Jason Mason.
Why does he have his first name on it? I appear courtesy of myself, Jason. You're doing all the jokes we did yesterday.
It's good humor. I think it's just, yeah.
He plays for George Mason. He looks like he's, where's the George? I'll play track.
That's a good question.

It just says Mason.

And the way that it's moved.

Oh, gotcha.

Also, he looks exhausted.

Taylor looks like he's just out here warming up.

Jason looks exhausted.

Is his name Jason?

Yeah, his name's Jason Mason.

Yeah.

His name's not Jason Mason. You said you contacted him.

What's his name, Billy?

Do you know his actual name?

He has been contacted.

Hold on a second. I'll get it for you right now.
Anthony Williams. There you go.
Oh, for real? Anthony Williams. No, you're just making that name up.
No, that's his name. Tony Will.
Tony Will. Buddy.
You got to deal with a buddy. Tony Will, buddy.
What would his hockey name be? Willsy? So we've contacted him. I'm not sure if he's joining us, but maybe next hour.
Negotiations. Yeah, we're ongoing.
Trying to figure it out. We're also getting to the bottom of that race also.
So that photo might tell a different story than the results of that race. What? A hell of a tease.
The... Wait a second.
It does. Taylor lost the race.
And confirmed in that race, Taylor was on the North Carolina C team. What? Taylor! But in Taylor's defense, North Carolina's C team did have a better time in the race than the North Carolina B team.
Where was the A team? However, they did lose. Where was the A team? The A team wasn't even on the sheet.
They were so far ahead. Was Taylor Scholar.
I know he walked on for football. Did he walk on for track as well? Yes.
And he also walked off the team the next year because he didn't like the coach. Jesus.
We found out it was my coach when I did track at FIU. Oh, yes.
No. You're messing with me.
No, we found that out on Mystery Crate. Did you like him? Yeah.
I like him him it's fine yeah you're a good athlete so i um coaches tend to like good athletes that tends to be the case i don't i i liked him i didn't say he liked me right i i think that's normally what happens is with coaches you're a good athlete they treat you well you like them they like you that's always been been my experience. I never really had a coach I didn't like.
Met a lot of guys who work at Foot Locker who said that their coaches were assholes. Happens all the time.
Man, if I was for that coach hating on me, man. Yeah, bro.
You know who coaches don't hate? The dudes who make their job a lot easier. I didn't do that because I had a situation in track where I sprained one ankle really bad and then I was in the training room basically all the time and I was like would just go in, do the treatment, be in the training room forever and I thought that's all I had to do because I couldn't walk, couldn't do anything and then he was mad at me.
He's like, well you still should have been coming to practice I'm like, what am I going to do? I can't pole vault with a sprained ankle and a brace on. So then I came back, swear to God, came back, first day back, go up, come down, sprained the opposite ankle.
First day back in practice. So I'm telling you, I don't think he liked me at all because the first sprained ankle, pick up basketball.
Oh. Yeah.
And he told me, he's like, if you were not a walk-on, you would not be on this team right now. If you're a scholarship guy and you were playing basketball

and sprained your ankle, you would have gone.

I was like, okay, coach.

I fight you.

Let's be real.

The funny thing is, like, we did it all the time.

Like, we played basketball in college all the time.

The coaches didn't mind.

They didn't hate it.

They appreciated it.

I hated it.

Yeah.

Playing against the football players.

That was weird.

We would play a version of basketball. It was physical.
No fouls. No jump shots.
Why do you think Slam Ball never caught on? A lot of dunks, though. Slam Ball was like everyone's dream as a child.
Like trampoline, basketball. Weren't there some serious injuries in Slam Ball? Yeah, it ruled.
It was jacked up. I feel like that might have been part of it.
Aren't those trampoline parks people are just tearing ligaments left and right? Knock on wood, I've taken my daughter to those trampoline parks. Never seen an ambulance.
And there's always hundreds of kids. Never seen an ambulance.
They just put them straight in the hearse. I would think once a day, someone's tearing something and there's an ambulance coming.
They have it happen so often that they got a well-oiled machine. They get them out, they get them to the back room.
They bring out the blue tent before you can see it. They just tent the kid.
Are you calling an ambulance if you just like sprain your meniscus? Like you're probably going home and you're like, uh-oh, that doesn't feel good. And then you're going to the doctor in a few days.
For that lawsuit though, I'm trying to sue. I feel like Chris, you're the type to get on there.
I need an ambulance. I can't move.
No, not you need an ambulance, but you're the type. Because I've been to those.
My kids are probably just leaving that range. My youngest kid just leaves in the range where I have to go to those type of parks.
Never want step foot on there. Same.
I don't actually jump. I just watch.
That's a place where you're signing waivers, though, right, Chris? Oh, yeah. You're not suing them.
There's a whole line for the waiver part before you get to the pay part. It's like sign this waiver and then you can go pay.
You can do it ahead of time. And if you do it ahead of time, when you get there, they make you physically sign it also.
So like you can go through an electronic waiver process. And I'll be like, yeah, we're going to breeze right through it.
Then I get there and they're like, you did an electronic waiver. We see.
Now fill it out with ink. Oh, they make you do it twice? Oh, hell yeah.
They ain't playing. You're not gonna get no suing in there.
That place is, I'm gonna tell you right now, that's not fun. Like, it, the trampoline park? Kids love it.
Kids love it because they don't... What? Kid? They have six ACLs.
Kids thing is fun for adults. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, come on now. Chuck E.
Cheese? American Ninja Warrior? Is that for kids? I do like doing Pop a Shot of Chuck E. Cheese.
I do like an arcade because I can do it. Let me get the card for a second.
They do. So the gymnastics, Dominique Dawes has gymnastics gyms in the Maryland area.
And they're also, they're gymnastics half ninja course. So like the kids, my youngest daughter loves ninja courses.
The kids do love courses. Is it swiveling with like cold water underneath? I don't think they have swiveling cold water things.
They do have basketball hoops though. Get that corner three off.
You know, they don't shoot too much at the trampoline park. You know that, right? There's a trampoline there for a reason.
At the trampoline park, I take my daughter to, they have like an American gladiator thing where you walk out on the thing and you're battling with someone, some aggressive. That's always where I'm at, just watching those things.
Watching those kids. The parents are getting mad at other parents' kids.
Like, he's hitting. You're supposed to push.
I got you over there with... Taking bets? Yep.
You got it. You're like, hey, who's got on red shirt? I'm putting odds on every matchup for sure.
Red shirt's been on a three-game run. Who's next going to take a red shirt? Blue shirt going to take a red shirt.
What you got on that? You're just a numbers runner? It's like just chicken fighting. Hey, you in the audience, it's Mike.
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Again, started on the breakfast flan. Oh, man, I've been singing a song to myself all morning long.
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This is the Dan Levatore Show with the Stugats. Can I say something about our last interview that I've been thinking about for 10 minutes now? He's a red Fanta guy.
I don't like when adult sports fans bark. What's the setting that it's appropriate?

What? I just... Oh, if you're talking to

Willow, it's okay. I don't bark

at her. Yes, you do.
What age is

barking no longer? You have me

sitting there with my dog like,

and Willow

goes like this. Oh!

You've been talking all day. I'm like, what's she talking

about? Is there an age where

barking is no longer appropriate?

I mean, if kids do it,

I'm not going to be like, oh. Yes, you are.
Well, I don't like kids, so maybe I would. In reality, though, maybe 18.
Maybe we'll just say the cough is college age. I don't know.
It's like Georgia games, Browns games. Those are the places where you get barked at the most.
And they. And they gotta throw the fist pump too with it.
Arsenio Hall. That's Arsenio.
And they do it because they know it's annoying. This isn't like a surprise to anyone.
I hate sometimes when that happens, man. Yeah.
You're waiting for that window. Like, just give me a second.
Just give me a second. I'm gonna jump in and say what it means.
Arsenio Hall. Like, shit, man.
I didn't realize. I didn't set up, man.
My apologies. Let's pretend like I didn't see our city hall.
I'll do it again. You can do my part of you.
I'll start again. What's the age, like the cutoff for like barking? I think if kids do it in- Our city hall.
Nailed it. Charlie and I have been work friends for a long time, and I think in the last year or so, we've probably become like real friends.
Oh, wow. In the last year? Damn.
trying to be i'm gonna explain it to you no i think that the friend progression so there is a level of friend that when you know all the embarrassing stuff that's what i'm talking about like i think that a lot of people you consider your friend but you don't you're not really friends until you start to meet their friends and you start to find out things so when jessica was talking about fans barking all i could think about was charlie's friend who and this is not a friend from last night this is a different friend it's a different friend who says or not says who on third downs he's a commander's fan and on and on every third down, he gets it a three-point stance and says, let's heat him up. Yep.
Three-point stance guy. At a bar.
Losing to the Eagles by 50. Wait, at a bar? What's he say? Heat him up.
You got to blitz. Send a blitz.
That just means, like, get some pressure. Heat him up.
We got to heat him up. He didn't even into a stance at a bar? Hand in the dirt.
Stop it. It rules.
Jessica, this is why I said it's only been the last year or so that I feel like Charlie and I are at a level of friendship where I really know Charlie because I would never introduce anyone to my three-point. I have friends who do very embarrassing things.
Three-point stance at a bar every third down third down yells let's heat them up so this is how I'm going to figure out what this level of equality in this friendship is Charlie have you met any of his friends I am his friend there it is I mean you met Kevin Kevin came to the show a couple times and Dequel yeah yeah you met Dequel a bunch of times yeah he hasn't met any of my embarrassing friends that's what I was asking for. I was asking for the regular friends.
I'm trying to think. Who would embarrass me? Go ahead.
I'm not embarrassed by my three-point stance. Yeah, he's not embarrassing.
He should be. This is why there's a male loneliness epidemic.
This is why it's only going to be a year. They're doing three-point stances at the bar.
Let's heat them up. It's third down.
We got to get a stop. It was real tough in that NFC Championship game against the Eagles.
He continued to get into the three-point stance. One sack fumble away.
His hand is on the floor. That's what I'm imagining.
Is it on the bar? Is it on the... No, no.
The three-point stance is... The floor.
The floor. He's doing it on the floor.
Yeah. It's like sticky.
So when it was tush push time, did he get in a four-point stance? Because you know you've got to get four-point stance for tush push. Three-point only.
He's an edge guy. He's an edge guy.
He's a pass rusher. Only on third down passing situations.
If I'm you, I'm calling offsides every single time. That's actually a great idea.
I wonder how he would have reacted to that. Not well.
But you can't announce it. You've got to just show up with a flag.
Throw the flag right in front of him right there. And then turn to an imaginary camera and be like, Free play.
Off sides. His wife was very pregnant.
Free play. Free play.
His pregnant wife was there while this was going on? She was delighted that he was at the bar in a three-point stand with me instead of at home with her.

Wait, did he do that at home?

Hold on, hold on.

I'm sorry.

I think I failed to explain this.

Every single commander's game.

Unclear.

I can't confirm or deny that.

I've only seen the three-point stand. Of course he does it at home.

Exactly.

He's doing it at a bar.

You think that the man who does a three-point stand and yells, let's heat him up at a bar, is at home sitting with his leg. I sure hope our boys are victorious on this very pivotal third down.
No. Let's heat him up.
There's a certain part of that that's for attention, right? That you would do at a bar. Like at home, why would you do that? He's a showman.
Also, I thought it was something repressed, right? Like at home, it's like, don't you dare do that shit in here. I was actually interpreting this differently.
I thought this was like a good luck thing. Like he's like, this is what I have to do now.
That's how, no, I took it all along as, this man's a lunatic. No, I think he believes the team needs him.
It's one of those, it's kind of a superstition, but it's like, I gotta, I gotta get down his three point stance. I actually just think like.
I just think he loves ball. I'm not even kidding.
I don't think there's anything deeper. I do a less extreme version.
I'll stand up on a big third down on my couch where you're just like, I'm excited. Come on, we need this.
We need this right here. Standing's weird.
But I'm not getting in a football stance. The antsy hands is a little weird.
The antsy hands? Show me the antsy hands. That's just, you just get up, you're like, all right, let's go, guys.
Chris, getting up and standing up is not the same as getting into a three-point. That's what I'm saying.
What did your friend do? He's like a pediatrician or something? Yeah. Private equity.
Oh, no. People's money.
Millions of dollars. Eat them up.
Eat them up. God.
I went to a game last season. I got invited to the game and the third down thing made me think about it.
I was invited to this game in a box and a guy warned us before the game started. Before the game started, he told the whole room, I just want you guys to know, I'm a third down noisemaker.

It's a classification that I never heard of and I didn't know you needed. Now, that, I feel like in light of three-point stance guy, that has a wide lane to be.
Because third down noise guy might be, oh, it's third down and on the Jumbotron they say make noise. And we go, oh, that might be third down noise guy.
Or you might get into a three-point stance. I didn't think it was the justification or clarification that you had to make until third downs hit.
And then what happened? And then he went nuts. And it was like a box where all the people were invited.
And, you know, there are certain boxes that are a little bit quieter. It's like no one in here is like a super fan.
These are people like a company owned the box and they brought people just as like a reward.

So in this box, everyone's just like, OK, cool.

This is nice.

This is nice.

And he is going ape.

Give me.

I need it.

Let's go.

Let's go.

Make some noise.

Let's go.

Like going.

I've been that guy before. Are you that guy that implores the people around you? On third down, you stand up.
Come on, guys. Let's go.
Let's go. Let's go make some noise.
Let's go. Like going.
I've been that guy before. Are you that guy that implores the people around you? In the stands on third down.
You stand up. Come on, guys.
Let's go. Let's go.
Let's go. Let's go.
It's big right here. Big one right here.
I like it. You just want to kind of inspire other people around you.
We need you, man. You don't think the three-point stance is inspiring? No, it is.
At a bar, it's just a lot. Like the hand down on the gross bar floor.
It's a – he's trying. Charlie, does he do it at games? Has he ever been to a game?

I can't confirm.

He's a season ticket guy.

So he does it at games?

I don't know.

I don't know if the face is there.

I feel like that's a question

that can be answered pretty quickly.

Can you sort of do it for us?

Because how is he sort of down

but still can see the high up TVs at the bar?

How is he able to focus?

His hips are open.

Good athlete.

How's his butt?

Oh, strong.

Great glutes. Great glutes.

I don't think that you can get in a three-point

stance at the bar. I just couldn't do it.

I appreciate those guys who bring that energy.

It makes it more fun. You don't?

I don't need that, man.

You know what? I'm the guy. First of all,

in the bar for sure because

nine times out of ten, I don't know that this is the Packers bar or whatever. I'm the guy? First of all, in the bar for sure, because nine times out of ten,

I don't know that this is the Packers bar or whatever.

So I'm just coming in like, hey, man, let me get a –

and then some guys in the three-point stance, oh, Jesus Christ, man.

Come on.

Relax.

You know what I am?

I'm the asshole that says, they can't hear you.

That guy's a dick.

That guy's a dick.

That's who I am.

And it's not because I think they can't hear.

It's because I know it's going to piss them off.

Okay, so two-point stance, two feet on the ground.

Three-point stance, one hand on the ground.

Four-point, two hands, two feet.

What is the number that goes when you're just on your back in the bar?

Touchdown. No, no one knows just wondering just wondering just imagining that I'm at a bar some people two points at some points three points Stats and some there's a couple guys who drink enough.
They just pass out the three-point stance does stand out more because if I was doing like center middle linebacker stance, it's just kind of like You know like squatting with your hands on your knees. A DB stance is just...
You're kind of like... What number is the stance where you have two feet in your face on the ground? Is it the Foxworth stance? It's definitely not the Foxworth stance.
What's that? There's a picture. I can't remember who it was.
It was a T.O. and you're just kind of on the ground.
Michael Turner. That was Michael Turner.
Oh, Michael Turner. Yeah, Turner the Burner.
Charlie was the producer of Highly Questionable, who used to pull up that picture all the time to try to embarrass me because I missed the tackle. I missed one tackle my whole career.
It's okay. They caught it on film, though.
You don't sound mad at all. Is that how that works? I'm not mad.
I love it. I love you guys.
I love 3-4 stance guy. I don't.
Come on, man. What are we doing? This is why he does it.
Because he's got friends like Charles. Like, yeah, man, that's cool.
I think it's pretty cool. Come on, man.
I would never be that guy. We just made 10 minutes of content.
I guarantee you he hates tanking. I mean, I think I like him more than guy who barks.
No, I'll take Barker any day. I think they're the same guy.
Oh, really? Any day. All right, Willow's coming tomorrow.
Well, okay. Guy.
Definitely the same guy. Yeah, they're the same guy.
I think they're the same guy, just Charlie's friend happens to be a fan of a team. Do you think if Dan was here for the John Fanta interview after you asked about the bracket, he would have been like, John Fanta, a fan too? Hey, you in the audience, it's Mike.
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