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Speaker 24 We welcome in David Sampson. Nothing personal with David Sampson.
You get that every single morning wherever you get podcasts. David, welcome to the show.

Speaker 24 And I guess we got to start with a topic that's been burning on Greg Cody's mind, which is the collapse of the Miami Marlins.

Speaker 14 Can you call it a collapse?

Speaker 24 Well, it's kind of like the slow death march. Is that better?

Speaker 26 It was pretty predictable, wasn't it? When they got hot, they sweeped the Yankees at home. They were a little over 500.
People are looking at the wild cards standing.

Speaker 20 And Jeremy started covering their games.

Speaker 26 And it's like, you know, they're going to lose eight of nine, right? And it's happening. Sorry.

Speaker 27 Do you know the worst thing that happened to the Marlins was all the winning they did right before the deadline? Why? And I don't want to yuck on the yum because it was super exciting.

Speaker 27 And I was at one of the Yankee games. I loved seeing Marlins Park sold out and all the people there.

Speaker 27 But what it did is it made the owner, Bruce Sherman, and it made the GM, president of baseball ops, Peter Bendex, sort of rethink what they were going to do with the deadline.

Speaker 27 And so they ended up not trading some of the players they should have traded because they had this thought that, wow, we're actually this team, not the team that we thought we'd be in real life, which is a team that wasn't going to compete for a playoff spot.

Speaker 27 Maybe we were wrong.

Speaker 27 Maybe all the analytics were wrong and that we can catch the NL wildcard leaders except that wasn't realistic and so what do you do if you make the trades and you trade sandy and you trade cabrera all of a sudden the fans say oh it's the same old same old and greg cody you would be on this show right now if the marlins had sold at the deadline and then lost a bunch of games you would be mfing them saying same old cheap ass hate the owner but they didn't do it and now they're losing and now you're despondent also which means greg you're just always despondent no there's a couple of things at play here first of all cabrera had genuine trade value and it depends on what they could have gotten for him whether or not i would have liked the trade the the the equation is also that sandy His trade value went way down this season.

Speaker 26 I mean, his ERA was over eight for much of the season. I don't think they would have gotten all that much for him.
So they were sort of, do you disagree, David?

Speaker 26 They were sort of putting back into a corner in terms of trading Sandy. They just couldn't get what they thought he was worth.
True.

Speaker 27 So it's funny.

Speaker 27 Players are worth exactly what you can get and what your job is to have better baseball people. And if you want to be the Rays, which is what Bruce Sherman has said, I want to be the Rays.

Speaker 27 So to be the Rays, you have to identify players that other teams don't realize are going to be good, but you know they're going to be good once you have them. Then any trade you can win.

Speaker 27 The Rays win every trade with players you've never heard of because they have a baseball department that identifies value and projects greatness in a way that other teams just aren't good at.

Speaker 27 I was terrible at that, but it doesn't matter.

Speaker 26 So they got Peter Bendix from the Rays because of that.

Speaker 26 And so who was behind not being active on the trade deadline? Was it the owner or was it Bendix, do you imagine?

Speaker 27 Oh, I imagine it was just the owner. I imagine the owner said, I don't want to take any heat.
I don't want to do a quote-unquote fire sale.

Speaker 27 I want to take advantage of the possibility of winning games and being a playoff team and being, it turns out what this Marlins team is like, they're a lot like the 06 Marlins.

Speaker 27 A bunch of young players, fun to watch, interesting, gonna win games, and then gonna end up, I don't know, 79 and 83. At best, that's not terrible.

Speaker 27 You can even win manager of the year that way, but it certainly doesn't give you playoff revenue.

Speaker 29 But I mean, in defense of the Marlins, they did identify players that other people didn't value and Kyle Stowers and Marcy, Augustine Ramirez, and they just had a price set on people like Sandy, on Edward Cabrera, who are still under team control for years to come.

Speaker 30 So they decided, you know what, we're not going to get what we want for them.

Speaker 29 We can revisit this in the offseason.

Speaker 30 We can revisit this next year. We don't have to sell them now.
They're still under team control. They're not free agents that are just going to leave and it's now or never.

Speaker 27 So the thing about pitchers, now with hitters, I agree with you.

Speaker 27 During season deals with hitters, it's rare to really get a huge deal.

Speaker 27 Now, you've got the Sotos Sotos in theory, in theory, what happened with Suarez going to Seattle, but it's bullpen arms and it is starting pitchers where their value is greater right at the deadline where you can extract something.

Speaker 27 And I really would prefer you not to keep mentioning Stowers as, and Jeremy will back me up on this.

Speaker 27 Stowers was a throw-in in the Norby Stowers trade, just like an extra guy to make it a two-for-one for Trevor Rodgers.

Speaker 14 David, that's the point.

Speaker 22 David, that's the point that they saw something in Stowers that the Orioles didn't.

Speaker 1 You just said that's what their job is to do.

Speaker 27 What they thought is they were getting the value of Norby. And now, Stowers, you are going to get players who outperform what your expectation was to the positive.

Speaker 27 The key is to get the principles back in a trade who other teams are willing to make as principals, who you value as greater.

Speaker 27 So while Sandy may have an ERA of six, there were teams out there that would have traded for Sandy. The question is: could they identify players who they felt would add value at a smaller number?

Speaker 27 Because you're right, Sandy's under control. And I don't have it in front of me, but I want to say he's $17 million a year for the next two years.

Speaker 27 But you also have Stanton at $10 million a year for the next two years. People forget about that, but that's a huge part of the Marlins payroll here going forward.

Speaker 27 And that's a player not playing for you. Therefore, what you want to do is have a pitcher not making $17 million a year.

Speaker 27 You want to have guys that are all pre-arbitration eligible, maybe in their first year of arbitration.

Speaker 27 You want that to be the makeup of your rotation because then it can smell a lot like 2003, where you can bring in a veteran who's at the $10 million range, let's say, as a compliment in your rotation.

Speaker 32 Jeremy, you're going to back him up? He said you would back him up. You're going to back him up?

Speaker 1 So Stowers was another piece in that trade.

Speaker 1 I just think it actually, like Chris said, it proves the point of being able to identify players whose value is low and being able to turn them into another piece.

Speaker 1 So you look at, again, Billy Billy brought up Jacob Marcy. Jacob Marcy considered by many as a throw-in into that trade.

Speaker 1 But if you look back at Peter Bendix's comments when the trade for Luis Arias was made, he really valued Marcy from the jump and his plate discipline.

Speaker 1 Since he's come up to the major leagues, he literally has the best eye in baseball and leads across several different categories. Now it's 18 games.

Speaker 1 But you're seeing the dividends of what they believed in, which is the approach.

Speaker 1 That's not to say that he'll drive the ball the way that he is as a center fielder consistently through the rest of his career.

Speaker 1 But Otto Lopez, another guy who they identified, who was DFA'd, who's been a really productive player for them, they have been, even for that matter,

Speaker 1 a nothing trade. Nick Fortez, who didn't have a ton of value.
They identify Matthew Etzel, who's been ripping the ball and already promoted from AA to AAA.

Speaker 1 They have thus far been in that space.

Speaker 1 And the debate that you will see is ultimately, will Edward Cabrera and Sandy Alcantra, if they're moved, be moved for for the value that the Marlins were looking for?

Speaker 1 Because their decision at the deadline was to not move those guys because they set a bar for what it is that they wanted and no team surpassed that bar.

Speaker 1 Ultimately, you can look at other complementary pieces and say, sure, maybe they should have been moved, but there are other starting pitchers who just simply did not get offers for them.

Speaker 1 David, what's the point?

Speaker 27 That's where we disagree, Jeremy, because I don't believe it was about a bar not being met. I believe what happened is the team was so competitive that they actually changed what their their plan was.

Speaker 27 And that's a big difference. And when you look at a team like the Rays and a bunch of really good teams, they don't change their plan based on a small sample size.
So, for example, when you have

Speaker 27 an untimely winning streak and get yourself back to 500, the problem there is that it really shouldn't change what you were going to do. And the plan always was to move Sandy at this deadline.

Speaker 27 deadline. Now, is it possible that they've set the bar at a Cy Young level and the true bar was at a very good $17 million pitcher where seven teams would want him?

Speaker 27 But I think what happened is they were told at the top, and you're never going to get Bruce to admit this, but I think, and it's good for fans, they want this.

Speaker 27 Fans of the Marlins have always wanted this, so I'm happy it happened, but it can really set you back. But I love the owners saying, hey, man, we're playing well.
Let's see if we can ride this out.

Speaker 32 So it's interesting to me, David, because you say there, you know, you don't want to change plan based on a small sample size.

Speaker 32 I find it hard to believe that Peter Bendix would change the plan for the future based on a, you know, small sample size of the team performing a few games under 500 throughout half the season.

Speaker 32 But you think that it's the owner who made the call. We're standing pat.
We're not selling off anything.

Speaker 27 I promise you that doesn't come from a GM.

Speaker 27 I promise you, the decision to buy or sell is made by 30 men, not president of baseball ops.

Speaker 27 Owners have the final say in whether you are buying or selling and how much salary you can take on, whether or not you're able to take on money, whether you have to shed money.

Speaker 27 I promise you, it's not just meddling owners the way you describe them. It's 30 owners make that decision.

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Speaker 14 I'm not going to apologize.

Speaker 37 I wouldn't expect you to apologize.

Speaker 37 You're a giant infant. Okay.
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Speaker 37 You have no control over your emotions. When you're calling someone you know an idiot, I don't deserve it.
Okay. I don't deserve it.
And you're a fool for saying it.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 19 Stugats. You're a fool.

Speaker 14 I was kind of following.

Speaker 14 Oh, you're locking in right now?

Speaker 38 You're locking in on us. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 14 Let's drop the gloves, pal. Let's drop the gloves.

Speaker 14 You should be thanking me.

Speaker 39 For what? Every day. For what? For what I've done around this character.
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Speaker 24 David, let me ask you this. Setting aside the

Speaker 24 right of last, you know, basically the buck stops here of the owner says, my way is the highway, right?

Speaker 24 If you, as the president of baseball ops, your owner comes to you and say, look, I know what you're saying from a strategic standpoint, it makes sense to sell right here, but they're going to kill me if we do that.

Speaker 24 Is there any part of you that's like, all right, that makes sense beyond them just telling you, hey, you got to do it because I said so?

Speaker 27 I mean, I had 18 years of arguing with the owner up and arguing with the GM down about things that we were doing, not just at the deadline, but during the offseason.

Speaker 27 Whereas president, I had to take into account what the finances of the team were. I had to take account millions of other things other than are we getting value for this player at this time.

Speaker 27 You're looking at an overall team budget. You're looking at the industry.
You're looking at a work stoppage that could be happening. So you've got a lot of other things on your mind.

Speaker 27 So I lost plenty of arguments up. I gave in plenty of times down

Speaker 27 the chain. So that's what being a president is of any company: is that you have to decide

Speaker 27 when you're going to make a stand and realize that at the end of the day, hey, if Dan wants something, Dan's gonna get it.

Speaker 27 On the other side, it's my job to tell an owner or to tell a GM, but I'd like you to understand a few other things that are going on that may require you to reevaluate your position.

Speaker 24 Right. So how many times did you win that argument up?

Speaker 27 Actually, you win it more than you realize. You aim for 51%.

Speaker 27 You'd like to win more than you lose every argument you have, both up or down. And there were some years when you're doing it long enough.
Some years you're 80, 20, some years you're 20-80.

Speaker 27 It really depends. When we were chasing Amy,

Speaker 27 I'll tell you the biggest loss I ever had was after Jose died.

Speaker 27 I thought that we should start rebuilding, that we couldn't win and we should be making a bunch of trades. And the owner said, forget it.
Let's sign a free agent pitcher. Let's try to replace him.

Speaker 27 We'll bring in,

Speaker 27 oh, come on, Jeremy, the guy who pitched the no-hitter.

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Speaker 27 Did you have that one, Jeremy?

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Speaker 29 No, he didn't know. He's an idiot.

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Speaker 31 David, what's going on with Kyle Tucker?

Speaker 27 Can you imagine what is going on there? The guy is slumping, no doubt, but Cubs fans are booing him. He doesn't run out of ground ball.

Speaker 27 I get it, but this guy is the middle of your lineup, and you want him to re-sign as a free agent.

Speaker 27 And then, on top of that, you're despondent because you were passed by a brewer team that is winning games at a historic rate, having this huge hamburger-laden win streak.

Speaker 27 And now you say, We're going to rest them a couple of days. They're in the middle of a five-game series against the Brewers.

Speaker 27 Now's when you're going to rest him because you think you have a better team with Kyle resting? Give me a small break. You got to play him, play it through.
He's slumping.

Speaker 27 He'll get a little duck fart. He'll get something.
He'll get a CNI ground ball, and he'll be fine. He's got to play.

Speaker 32 David, you mentioned the Brewers and the current pace that they, I mean, they had a 14-game win streak snapped the other afternoon.

Speaker 32 And it brings me to Cubs manager, Craig Counsel, former Brewers player, former Brewers manager. Craig Counsel also grew up in Milwaukee.
Why is Craig Counsel

Speaker 32 lying about George Webb hamburgers?

Speaker 28 It's so stupid.

Speaker 27 Just to give the background, Craig Counsel said, yeah, I've never heard of George Webb. Don't know what it is.

Speaker 27 And then they found, because it's easy to find, you don't have to be be on the dark web with Tony's guy to find a quote from 2018 where Craig Counsel, when the Brewers last won, 12 in a row, and everyone got free burgers.

Speaker 27 All of a sudden, Council was like, Yeah, this is awesome. We're getting free burgers for everyone.
We've been thinking about this a lot as a team.

Speaker 27 And then seven years later, I don't even know what that is. That's just Craig Counsel.
His sphincters tightening up.

Speaker 27 He's looking up at the Brewers for his second year in a row, having gone to Milwaukee. And remember, in Chicago, they only look up at the brewers when it's geographic.

Speaker 27 They look down on Milwaukee almost every other way, every other time. But now they're looking up at them in the standings again, and they're getting tight.
They're getting nervous.

Speaker 27 They're benching Tucker. They're lying about burgers.
You know what? I got an idea. Win some games.

Speaker 29 Told you his ass two weeks ago, Craig Council.

Speaker 40 Interesting conversation.

Speaker 24 David, the commissioner, Rob Manfred, went on a broadcast and started saber-rattling about expansion and realignment. How realistic is expansion at this point for MLB?

Speaker 27 It's a guarantee. I mean,

Speaker 27 it is as guaranteed as the sunset tonight in Miami, and it will always be in the West.

Speaker 27 We talked about geographic realignment in a strategic planning committee meeting 10 years ago, where we were going to have 32 teams.

Speaker 27 We didn't name the other two teams, but 32 teams, eight divisions, four teams, Mets and Yankees together, Dodgers, Angels together, Cubs, White Sox together, Rays Marlins together. That was a big one.

Speaker 27 I raised my hand. What about the Rays Marlins? We got to get that.

Speaker 27 They were like, yeah, whatever, Dave. So you guys can all have 8,000 people.
So

Speaker 27 it's a real thing. There's going to be expansion, and it will happen once Tampa is sold.
And once that ballpark starts getting built, the Vegas ballpark is getting built theoretically.

Speaker 27 And that will be done by 28 or 29.

Speaker 27 But all of this is going to come out in the CBA negotiations that are starting right now. People aren't talking about this, but the CBA negotiations,

Speaker 27 they've started. Now, it's not NLRB official or anything like that.

Speaker 27 So they haven't decided whether they're going to meet with a square table or a round table, but there's constant communication between the union and the

Speaker 27 commissioner's office. And what will be in this new CBA will be expansion, realignment, expanded playoffs.
So we're going to hear a lot about these things, but we're not going to see it actually.

Speaker 27 My guess is until 2030, which may sound like it's it's far away, but I reminded someone today that we're as close to 2030 as we are far from COVID.

Speaker 32 David, why does there need to be realignment? Like, what does that do?

Speaker 27 Oh, it makes it, how, does it make sense to you that the Mets and Yankees are not in the same division? I'm just asking, like, think about that.

Speaker 26 In a way, it does, because then they can meet in the World Series theoretically.

Speaker 30 Who cares? It's not like they're riding a bus.

Speaker 36 It's an hour.

Speaker 27 So they could still meet in the World Series, but they could also meet in the playoffs, whether you have one v16 and expand the playoffs or two conferences of eight playoff teams each and it's one v8, but it's just better for players.

Speaker 27 It's better for travel. Interleague used to be a super cool thing back when the American League and National League would never play each other until the World Series.

Speaker 27 When interleague was introduced, it was a huge thing. Now it's like a Tuesday.
There's interleague every day in baseball. No one gives a flying rat's pituitary gland.
So what do you do?

Speaker 27 You get rid of it. You forget about it and you expand, you realign, and you've got Dodgers Angels who are a natural rival.
It's amazing. Imagine like Padres, Dodger.
Oh, it's fantastic. I love it.

Speaker 27 My hand was raised for geographic realignment. Put me in a division.
Get rid of the Mets. Put me in with the Braves and the new team in Nashville, let's say, and the Rays and us, and let's go.

Speaker 29 Yeah, but now the Citrus series means nothing.

Speaker 18 Correct.

Speaker 27 It always meant nothing. What?

Speaker 27 But now it it really means nothing.

Speaker 24 So, would it be like Eastern Conference, Western Conference, like that?

Speaker 27 We couldn't come to agreement.

Speaker 27 So I don't know if they've come to agreement since then on whether you'd actually have conferences, whether you'd officially get rid of the American League and National League, which I think you would, the way they got rid of it with umpires all those years ago.

Speaker 27 Greg is probably the only one who remembers that umpires used to have KL and NL on their hands.

Speaker 14 I do remember that.

Speaker 27 Yeah, yeah, that's not the case anymore. Now they're all major league umpires.
So I think the whole thing with the leagues, it may be done.

Speaker 24 Wow.

Speaker 26 So the new Southeast Division would be Miami, Tampa, Atlanta, and Nashville.

Speaker 14 What a horrible division.

Speaker 28 Oh, my God. It's like

Speaker 28 what's horrible about it?

Speaker 26 It's an expansion team. It's the Marlins.

Speaker 26 Tampa is not a sexy team. They don't draw big TV.

Speaker 27 But it's a balanced schedule, Greg. You play everybody anyway.

Speaker 26 Yeah, but Atlanta is going to dominate that division.

Speaker 22 More nationals.

Speaker 29 If you play everyone anyways, then what difference does it make what division the teams are in?

Speaker 27 I can't figure it out, Billy.

Speaker 30 I mean, you don't know.

Speaker 33 Like, why are we fighting for realignment if you're just going to play everyone the equal amount of time?

Speaker 26 Don't you play more against the division? Is that format going to change?

Speaker 27 Don't you play more? I think it'll be a completely balanced schedule. But again, that has not come to fruition yet.
We don't know what will happen. So

Speaker 27 it's all going to work itself out. But you originally asked me, I mean, is will there be expansion? Yes, guaranteed.
Owners want those expansion fees to pay down debt. Two, will there be realignment?

Speaker 27 Guaranteed. Will it be as absolutely epic as full geographic realignment, the type that we talked about 10 years ago? You got to get 23 votes.
And I would say it's not a guarantee, but it's close.

Speaker 24 David, before we let you go, what movie are you reviewing for us today?

Speaker 27 Have any of you watched Freaky Tales?

Speaker 24 No.

Speaker 24 I just learned about it today.

Speaker 27 Freaky Tales on HBO Max. Is Pedro Pascal in every movie that's made now? Yes, contractually.

Speaker 28 He has to be.

Speaker 27 I think, I mean, you're right. I think he has to be in every movie in some way, shape, or form.
Because every time I turn on a movie, he's in it. This is a 1980s movie, except it's new.

Speaker 27 It takes place in 1987 in Oakland. And you forget what was going on in Oakland around the Alameda Coliseum back there.

Speaker 27 It's a great 80s movie, but it's also got a horror component, but not like jump scare, but like gore.

Speaker 27 And it's done in segments like love actually where somehow they all relate at the end but you're not sure how and then they do and then all of a sudden pedro pascal gets stabbed and then he's bleeding in a way that looks gross but you're like that's not real oh come on

Speaker 28 it's gonna fire it up

Speaker 27 spoiler alert yeah yeah it just got it came out this year it's a brand new movie what are you doing way to ruin it samson You think that you've I've ruined the plot saying that Pedro gets bloodied.

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Speaker 40 What? What? Where are they chasing those kids out of the house? What happened in that movie?

Speaker 14 Weapons? Yes, it's just spoiling movies. Why are the kids running?

Speaker 32 I'm not going to spoil, because I don't like spoilers, and I don't want anyone to get mad, but I'll tell you what, man. It's not what you think.

Speaker 32 I found out why those kids... That's why I had to see Weapons Review.

Speaker 42 I got to know. I had to know why they were running out of the house at 2.17 a.m.

Speaker 32 to not return. And I know now, because I saw the movie.

Speaker 24 Is it worth seeing in the theater or can I just wait?

Speaker 32 Horror movies you want to see in the theater if you don't see them.

Speaker 24 I don't believe that. I don't like that.

Speaker 29 Someone walks down the aisle like this person is going to kill us all. I don't like it.

Speaker 24 To me,

Speaker 24 I honestly don't know what gets me to. I used to say, I know what gets me to a theater.
If it's like a big budget, like, you know, Avengers style thing, I'm going to the theater.

Speaker 24 And now I've reached the point where I'm like, nah, man, it's pretty much like, do I feel like watching the movie?

Speaker 39 I hear your movies are expensive too, man.

Speaker 24 So to me, like Naked Gun, I was like, you know what? I'm not going to wait. I want to go see what.

Speaker 32 See, that's the kind of movie that I don't think you need to see.

Speaker 24 I don't think I needed to see in the theater, but I knew I didn't want to wait. That was the thing for me.
It's like, I don't want to wait. I want to watch this immediately.

Speaker 32 I have to see all superhero movies in the theater, and I have to see them right away. And we go, I go with my boys.
It's a thing we do.

Speaker 4 We see all horror movies in the theater.

Speaker 24 Kevin Feige must hate me when I say this, man, but Disney Plus made me be like, I'm not going to pay for any of these movies ever again. I'm just going to wait.
So Thunderbolts still haven't seen it.

Speaker 14 They got to earn your dollar now.

Speaker 24 They're not even earned. Like, it's not happening.
Like, I'm trying to think, what's a Marvel movie on the horizon that I'm like, I might go see that. Doomsday? No.

Speaker 18 How about the next Spider-Man?

Speaker 24 No.

Speaker 14 Really? That franchise is good.

Speaker 24 It is good, but I just... We had No Way Home.

Speaker 14 That's it. I know.
The last one was great.

Speaker 24 It was great. I just, I don't, I've reached that point where I'll watch it when it comes out on screen.

Speaker 32 Here's the thing, though, and this is also part of why I have to see the movie in the theater and I have to see it right away.

Speaker 14 I don't want spoilers.

Speaker 24 Oh, I mean, I've actually gotten pretty good at avoiding. So Superman, I still haven't seen Superman.

Speaker 32 That's a movie you got to see in in the theater, man.

Speaker 24 Just wait, man. Like, it's gonna be on HBO Max in no time.

Speaker 32 But if you wait, it's not gonna be in the theater anymore.

Speaker 24 No, I got a pretty big TV's ass. Ah, you know what I mean? And a nice sound system, man.

Speaker 14 Wow, whoo, I didn't realize I mean with this big theater.

Speaker 24 Look, man, look, you have the Zaslow Mansion? I do. I have the Elhassin Manor.

Speaker 24 Manners are better than mansions.

Speaker 32 Now we know one of us has a lot more opulence in the other.

Speaker 1 I'll say seeing Naked Gun in theaters was a great experience because there's nothing like the communal laugh of a really good comedy.

Speaker 1 Like I saw No Hard Feelings, the Jennifer Lawrence comedy, in theaters, and it, I think, completely changed my perspective on how much I love that movie

Speaker 1 because when I saw it in theaters, everybody was cracking up.

Speaker 32 That's a funny movie.

Speaker 1 And there's something about that experience that makes you really love it later on.

Speaker 14 Oh, my God.

Speaker 14 Impassioned debate.

Speaker 14 Oh, he's back. The Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Speaker 14 Fellas, it's been a while.

Speaker 14 Where you been? I was. You know,

Speaker 14 I got into some other podcasts, other business ventures and whatnot.

Speaker 14 I basically just follow you guys through the social clips. And then, yesterday, I saw you guys talking about the Cleveland Browns quarterback situation.

Speaker 14 I was like, alright, maybe, maybe check back in with these guys. And now, look at the conviction.
He has one side, you've got another. It's just vintage.
That's really good stuff.

Speaker 24 You brought it back.

Speaker 14 First time, long time.

Speaker 3 How are you guys doing?

Speaker 14 It's great out here. I'm loving it.
Great couple of months. Everything's going great.

Speaker 32 You run into anybody fun?

Speaker 14 Oh, yeah. Mostly in the cabinet.

Speaker 14 I'm in charge of getting rid of the windmills. Don't like those.
Kill a lot of birds.

Speaker 24 Are birds real?

Speaker 14 Well, that's between me and the big guy.

Speaker 14 We're the two other guys.

Speaker 24 Thank you very much, Dirty Demon.

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Speaker 8 Which one?

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Speaker 24 Jeremy, I went to Naked Gun, and I had like the opposite thing where I was many times the only person to laugh because people didn't get the joke. Do you feel weird about that?

Speaker 24 No, it empowers me to laugh

Speaker 24 louder and harder.

Speaker 26 Yeah, you'd like to be the only guy laughing. Yeah,

Speaker 1 you feel smarter.

Speaker 10 Negative gun was good for a few of those.

Speaker 4 Where I would laugh and I would just laugh louder because the group that I was with got it, but I mean, come on, that Janet Jackson joke was a banger.

Speaker 14 Where are you, folks?

Speaker 24 I laughed so hard at that, and everyone was like,

Speaker 24 I could hear the

Speaker 24 it's not even like that's not funny, it's just like this confusion. Like, what?

Speaker 39 How do you not get this joke?

Speaker 1 The Black Eyed Peas, deadpanning.

Speaker 14 There's a couple of really good moments there.

Speaker 24 What a great movie. But to go back to what we were talking about.

Speaker 14 The Marvel Cinematic Universe?

Speaker 24 Yeah, what's going to get me into a theater?

Speaker 14 You know, there's a lot of people working.

Speaker 24 The next big movies that are coming out. Like just whatever, from whatever.

Speaker 14 Did Deadpool Wolverine get you out?

Speaker 24 It did.

Speaker 24 I saw that in the future.

Speaker 33 What a movie. Yeah, that was a great movie.

Speaker 2 I do think Doomsday.

Speaker 39 Doomsday is going to be a monster.

Speaker 3 It's such a winner when you just get all these people back. I know it's a mess and it's convoluted.

Speaker 24 This is what I think about a lot when I think about Endgame and all those things. It was, it was, you could feel it build that crescendo of like, what's next? What's next?

Speaker 24 Even, oh, Captain Marvel, we're back in 1994. Like, cool.
What's next? What's next? What's next?

Speaker 38 Endgame.

Speaker 42 Like, oh, my God.

Speaker 24 It was tantric. And now it's just like thunderbolts came out.
Like, oh, it's pretty good.

Speaker 14 I'm like, I'll wait.

Speaker 24 I have no sense of urgency.

Speaker 35 It's because the quality dipped for an extended period of time and things got too messy with all these timelines.

Speaker 2 And there's a great rebundling.

Speaker 4 That's a term that I read on the internet.

Speaker 32 I love a good bundle.

Speaker 38 Everybody knows that.

Speaker 35 It's a great rebundling, and I think that they're going to try to give you all the nostalgia and then put all the old guard away and then start right back from the beginning with new casting for you know the Central Avengers, the Iron Mans, the Captain Americas of the world.

Speaker 35 We hit reset on that, and you start anew.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 24 Zaz, Endgame, obviously, like I said, was such a great, great crescendo to all that they were building. Endgame was also a time travel movie.

Speaker 8 Yes.

Speaker 24 You have a top five

Speaker 24 time travel movies.

Speaker 38 Oh yeah.

Speaker 32 Everybody knows if you know one thing about me, you know that I love time travel movies.

Speaker 23 I love time travel movies.

Speaker 32 If you know two things about me, you know that I love time travel movies and prison movies.

Speaker 24 Wow, yes.

Speaker 32 Those are my movies. I will see them for sure.
But I have a top five time travel movies.

Speaker 29 I got some OLI as well.

Speaker 24 I've also crafted a list as well. Do we want to do alternating? How do we want to to do this?

Speaker 22 You can battle and go back and forth.

Speaker 33 All right. Want to do alternating?

Speaker 38 Do you do it for time travel too?

Speaker 14 Do your OLIs first, both of you.

Speaker 29 Is it a competition? Did Greg decide the winner?

Speaker 14 Who is a better list? I like this. Okay.
Yeah, sure. All right, I'm ready.
OLI.

Speaker 32 Back to the future.

Speaker 32 Now, Back to the Future is only an OLI for me because it's too easy.

Speaker 42 You know, like disrespectful.

Speaker 32 If everybody, if you know anything about me, you know that I never do anything that's too easy. So Back to the Future is an OLI.

Speaker 24 You got some brass on you, boy.

Speaker 23 OLI,

Speaker 24 hot tub time machine.

Speaker 24 It was fun.

Speaker 24 How does time travel work? You go to a hot tub.

Speaker 18 One or two.

Speaker 24 One.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 24 Two is a little derivative.

Speaker 29 Craig, who's winning so far?

Speaker 24 OLI's.

Speaker 26 That's not an OLI.

Speaker 14 Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 His list could be better, though, if that's an OLI.

Speaker 26 Thus far, I think he's cheated by putting a high-ranking movie

Speaker 26 as an OLI.

Speaker 23 Well, let's see see how it goes.

Speaker 14 OLI,

Speaker 32 the butterfly effect.

Speaker 25 I hate that movie.

Speaker 32 That's like the only good Ashton Kucher movie.

Speaker 24 Yeah, I was about to say.

Speaker 33 That's a good movie.

Speaker 22 That movie I saw when I was younger. I watched it a couple years ago.

Speaker 21 Man, that first 10 minutes is jarring.

Speaker 15 I did not remember how wild the setup is for how everything's so broken.

Speaker 32 He's very controversial these days, Ashton Kucher.

Speaker 33 But that was a good movie.

Speaker 24 I like that movie. Him and his wife.

Speaker 24 OLI, Deadpool 2.

Speaker 24 Cable comes back from the past to kill the kid. And they got to figure out, like, hey, do you kill the kid who grows up to be this awful person?

Speaker 24 Would you kill the kid? Yeah, I'm kind of like Team Cable on this. And Deadpool's thing is like, you can change.
Anyone can change. I'm like, I don't know, buddy.
I don't know.

Speaker 14 All right.

Speaker 30 OLI, The Adam Project.

Speaker 7 I love this movie.

Speaker 30 This is Ryan Reynolds.

Speaker 32 I love that movie so much. It's really funny because it's your typical Ryan Reynolds type humor.
Big time travel.

Speaker 29 It's got a lot of heart.

Speaker 32 It's got a family aspect to it. It's got great action, great music.
Zoe Saldana's in it looking very, very cute. I love the Adam Project.

Speaker 24 OLI,

Speaker 24 Next.

Speaker 24 What is that? That's the Nicolas Cage movie where he can see into the future like five minutes at a time.

Speaker 24 So then he actually lives it and then goes back in time five minutes and then redoes it the right way. So he becomes like an incredible gambler.

Speaker 24 He's trying to, what's the name of the girl in that movie that he's trying to holler at, Mike?

Speaker 3 doesn't

Speaker 3 remember next.

Speaker 14 Oh, wow.

Speaker 14 I like that. I remember Bangkok Dangerous, where the soup was hot

Speaker 24 with the deaf girl, right?

Speaker 32 Do you have any more OLI? Because I don't.

Speaker 30 Jessica Beale.

Speaker 24 Jessica Beale. There you go.
And he tried to holler at Jessica Beale and he fails.

Speaker 24 And then he goes back five minutes early and he does it again and he fails and he keeps doing it until he figures out what the right way to do it is.

Speaker 14 It's hot.

Speaker 14 Hot.

Speaker 24 Here we go. Number five, Zaz.

Speaker 32 12 Monkeys.

Speaker 18 Pitt got nominated for that.

Speaker 24 Bruce Willis got sent back into the past or something.

Speaker 14 Oh, yeah, he's all over. All over the place.

Speaker 32 Brad Pitt, maybe Brad Pitt's performance of his career. He's incredible in that movie.
Bruce Willis, of course. That movie's wild.
12 monkeys.

Speaker 30 That's a good movie.

Speaker 24 Good time travel movie. Number five, Avengers Endgame.

Speaker 24 Although they try to clarify that it's not quite time travel. It's a heist movie, I think.

Speaker 24 It's a heist movie, movie, but also they say it's not time travel because you're going in different realities of time. All right.
Number four,

Speaker 14 Arrival.

Speaker 32 Amy Adams,

Speaker 32 Jeremy.

Speaker 39 What, you crazy?

Speaker 32 That movie's incredible. That's a great.
You've never seen a movie like Arrival.

Speaker 24 I've seen a bunch better.

Speaker 32 Time is, it's linear.

Speaker 24 Number four, Back to the Future 3.

Speaker 25 Really, that's what you're doing?

Speaker 24 Hey, they went back to the 1880s, and I was like, oh, man, I wish I could live in the 1880s. That's a cheap way out.
Mad Dog Buford.

Speaker 24 There you go. Buford, Mad Dog Tannon.

Speaker 35 Didn't the Ninja Turtles time travel?

Speaker 18 DMAT3?

Speaker 14 Yep.

Speaker 24 That's a Cinefobe episode. Look it up.

Speaker 33 Well, wait, maybe that'll be on the list.

Speaker 24 Number three.

Speaker 32 It's the same movie as Deadpool 2, only it was made before it. And that's Looper.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 42 It's the same movie.

Speaker 32 Looper with, what's his face? He's got the three names. Justin Fortenwood, Bruce Willis, Emily Blunt,

Speaker 32 Paul Dano, as well. That scene with him early on in the movie.
That really sets the tone. And Jeff Daniels plays a gangster in that movie.

Speaker 32 Looper, again, it's the same movie as Deadpool 2. Looper's so good.

Speaker 24 I like Looper.

Speaker 38 Looper's a good movie.

Speaker 24 You mentioned Emily Blunt. She's in my number three.
Edge of Tomorrow.

Speaker 42 Live, Die, Repeat. Nope, it's Edge of Tomorrow forever.
Live Die Repeat.

Speaker 24 That's the cool name. Live, Die, Repeat.
Sounds corny. Edge of Tomorrow?

Speaker 14 Shit.

Speaker 24 That got me to the theaters. I heard that movie.
Edge of Tomorrow, I'm there. Number two.

Speaker 32 X-Men Days of Future Pass.

Speaker 14 Damn.

Speaker 14 Incredible movie.

Speaker 42 That's Mike Ryan.

Speaker 32 I don't like the way you looked at me with the side-eye there.

Speaker 32 Do you have any idea what a good movie is?

Speaker 14 Yeah, that was all right.

Speaker 24 No, that was a great movie.

Speaker 14 That's a great movie.

Speaker 24 I'm regretting it's not on my list right now.

Speaker 14 That's not a wordy title.

Speaker 33 Wordy.

Speaker 29 Who's winning so far, Greg? Just check in here.

Speaker 26 You know, so far, I have only heard of one of the movies mentioned.

Speaker 14 All right, Back to the Future.

Speaker 26 No, 12 Angry Men.

Speaker 14 Repeat a first time hearing.

Speaker 33 Repeat a few movies back to Men.

Speaker 29 So who had 12 Angry Men? I think that was sad.

Speaker 4 Star Trek 2.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 20 12 Monkeys.

Speaker 14 12 Angry Men.

Speaker 14 Whatever. 12 Angry Men?

Speaker 39 They're in a

Speaker 39 jury.

Speaker 14 On Landhouse.

Speaker 39 Time Trap.

Speaker 14 Look at the movie.

Speaker 33 Number two. Fantastic.
Number two.

Speaker 33 That was number two.

Speaker 33 Number two.

Speaker 24 Back to the Future 2.

Speaker 42 Remember what 2015 looked like?

Speaker 24 That was cool. Your list is cheap.
No, man, it's not cheap. Wait till you get to my number one.
You'll never believe what it is.

Speaker 24 What's your number one?

Speaker 13 Interstellar.

Speaker 32 That's the greatest time travel movie.

Speaker 38 Come on now.

Speaker 32 It's Christopher Nolan's best film.

Speaker 33 It's an incredible.

Speaker 42 They're on the planet. Every hour they're on the planet.

Speaker 7 They lose seven years.

Speaker 39 That's not time travel. That's just living.

Speaker 32 When you're in a wormhole, that's time travel

Speaker 14 don't tell me that if there's a wormhole we're not talking about time travel it's time travel the book no no no there's time travel and matt damon scoundrel yeah he is

Speaker 42 bad man

Speaker 24 my number one

Speaker 14 you mean to tell me you built a time machine out of a delorean come on man doc doc

Speaker 24 The scar you had, you fell off your toilet and that's the day you're can't get his capacitor.

Speaker 18 And I can't wait to see which

Speaker 35 TMC classic he's got.

Speaker 14 1.21 Tigawatts! 1.21 Tigawatts!

Speaker 24 It can't be done! It can't be done, Heinie.

Speaker 38 Come on, man.

Speaker 32 Yes, it's an incredible movie.

Speaker 24 The quintessential time travel movie.

Speaker 42 But it's so, like, your list is so cheap.

Speaker 24 What would it be like if I met my mother and father when they were in high school?

Speaker 37 Yes, the winner.

Speaker 24 Back to the future. Thank you.
We bring in Taylor Tolman right here.

Speaker 14 Let's go to break. We'll bring him right back.
All right.

Speaker 24 Taylor Tolman, next.

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