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Speaker 16 There's nothing dumber in sports than an NCAA show cause penalty.

Speaker 22 I don't even understand. What does show cause mean?

Speaker 16 I don't know what the term, like, I know what the term means. I don't know why it's worded the way it's worth.

Speaker 6 I don't know what the term means.

Speaker 16 It just means like basically, so he's got a 10-year show cause penalty. We're talking about Jim Harbaugh.
This is the Michigan punishments have come down from the NCAA.

Speaker 16 And basically, for 10 years,

Speaker 16 like these

Speaker 16 penalties will follow him should he ever come back to college football.

Speaker 22 Right, but like Shrone Moore got a, I think, a four-year show cause. Yep.
He's still a coach of Michigan.

Speaker 16 No, it doesn't mean he's fired. It just means he's got penalties.

Speaker 25 What are the penalties?

Speaker 16 We'll figure that out, right?

Speaker 26 Show and cause. Yeah.

Speaker 16 Show cause. No, but it's just like,

Speaker 16 It's, hey, man, don't ever come back over here again. And Jim Harbaugh is like counting his money in LA, like, all right, cool.
Like,

Speaker 16 why would I ever come back?

Speaker 22 This is the reason I left.

Speaker 16 Yeah, like, I just want to be able to pay my players and do deflate, I mean, spygate stuff without having to worry about, ooh, the college people are mad.

Speaker 22 But why is it called show cause?

Speaker 21 Why is it called show cause?

Speaker 12 I'm glad you asked because I never gave a thought either.

Speaker 19 It was just always something associated with a coach that you're not supposed to touch with a 10-foot pole.

Speaker 20 But apparently, after doing some research, if you want to hire a specific coach that has this show cause penalty attached to them, there's another added layer of bureaucracy when it comes to hiring that coach.

Speaker 14 You have to go petition the NCAA and show a reason as to why you should be allowed to hire this coach.

Speaker 16 Ah, you have to show a cause.

Speaker 7 That's right.

Speaker 16 So, again, the dumbest penalty in sports.

Speaker 22 And again, why is Sharon Moore still the coach in Michigan if there's a show cause penalty against him right now?

Speaker 6 They showed the cause.

Speaker 16 The cause is. He's already our coach.
What do you want us to do?

Speaker 32 This was all negotiated.

Speaker 16 I mean, just, but it's like, why? It's, you know what it's like? It's sometimes in schools. I don't know if they do this anymore.

Speaker 16 Like if the star player got into some problems, got some trouble, and it's like, oh, they're going to suspend him for a game. It's like, we're now going to suspend him for a half.

Speaker 21 Oh, no.

Speaker 16 Think of the children. Why does college do this?

Speaker 16 How is that a penalty?

Speaker 18 It's always strange.

Speaker 31 Miami had a safety named Amari Carter that would always pick up a penalty in the second half for

Speaker 35 a personal foul for her targeting.

Speaker 19 And he would always be suspended for like the first half of the next game. Nice.

Speaker 12 And then he would do it again.

Speaker 16 That's a great way to get out of playing first halves, man.

Speaker 26 I mean, you have an incredible Peter Warwick memory for some reason or another.

Speaker 1 Didn't Peter Warwick get suspended for a half for shoplifting?

Speaker 3 Or was that the full game?

Speaker 28 Am I remembering that correctly?

Speaker 16 It was more than that. Like, that was something else he got suspended for.

Speaker 16 But, like, when the shoplifting,

Speaker 16 which, by the way, it wasn't shoplifting. It wasn't shoplifting.
It was a coordinated, orchestrated strike against Dillards in Tallahassee. What it was, was they knew like the cashier or something.

Speaker 16 And so they would

Speaker 16 like grab stuff.

Speaker 16 That's my job. And then, yeah, exactly.
And then when they rung him up, I'll never forget this. The total was always $21.40.
And everyone's like, why is it $2,140?

Speaker 16 I said, well, because she was charging $20, and then the tax is 7%. So it comes out to $2,140.

Speaker 1 The bill was $412 and you nailed it. They paid

Speaker 21 $214.

Speaker 3 I'm never going to tell you, he's got Dillard's.

Speaker 21 He's got an insane Peter Ward memories.

Speaker 16 Saz, I've said this a million times before. Look,

Speaker 16 I've watched a lot of great college football players, you know, Reggie Bush and Vince Young and all those guys were amazing. There's no one I've ever seen that was better than Peter Ward.
I know.

Speaker 22 He was expected to be so good, and he had such an average NFL career.

Speaker 16 I think he had injuries that basically basically

Speaker 16 pulled back on what he could have been.

Speaker 22 I don't think he ever had a thousand-yard season.

Speaker 16 No, he didn't. He didn't.
But in college, sheesh. Like,

Speaker 16 I can't, I wish I could explain to younger listeners, man,

Speaker 16 the inevitability of, and he's a wide receiver. Like, think about that, right? It was awesome.
That a wide receiver could be so good, you could throw it anywhere.

Speaker 16 You could throw it to him anywhere, and you were going to get a big, big gain out of it.

Speaker 16 But Michigan. Michigan, Zaz,

Speaker 16 this is is not a punishment, right?

Speaker 22 I guess the thing that I took away from it most is

Speaker 22 it seems like they're done, the NCAA,

Speaker 22 who just has no control over anything anymore. And they really let everybody know for the last and final time that they don't have control over anything.

Speaker 22 When they came up with this suspension, which, I mean, there was cheating and they were stealing signs. Look, stealing signs happen during games.
That's no problem. That is what it is.

Speaker 22 But they were going above and beyond throughout the week, throughout the months, and they were cheating and stealing signs.

Speaker 22 And they're on sidelines when they're not allowed to be on sidelines and what have you. Like, this would be the occasion.
I'm not even talking about taking away their championship.

Speaker 22 I hate when they do that, you know, but you certainly would have expected them to do a postseason ban.

Speaker 16 Yeah, there you go. So, but that's another one.
Taking away the championship. That's not a real point.

Speaker 21 Come on, like, it happened.

Speaker 16 Like, Memphis, you didn't go to the Final Four. Derek Rose didn't score a single point.
Like,

Speaker 16 bro, we went to the games. We saw it.
It happened.

Speaker 16 Everyone enjoyed it. We celebrated that night.

Speaker 16 You can't take that away.

Speaker 22 Yeah, I hate when they do that, okay?

Speaker 16 Michigan,

Speaker 16 Chris Weber, and Dylan Rose. You guys didn't accomplish anything.

Speaker 22 So is he absolved from calling the timeout against UNC? I mean, they're taking that whole run away, right? I guess we could never bring that up again.

Speaker 22 But the thing that stood out to me most was, so apparently they're never going to do postseason bands anymore. I feel like that's what they just did because part of the reason was they don't want to.

Speaker 22 It's weird.

Speaker 22 They don't want to punish kids who are on the team right now who had nothing to do with what happened then, except they used to do that and you were never allowed to then transfer back then.

Speaker 22 Now you're allowed to transfer.

Speaker 16 So, like, it's backwards.

Speaker 22 Back then was when they shouldn't have punished kids who weren't part of the team because they were not allowed to say, All right, then I'm out of here.

Speaker 22 Now they should actually punish these teams because kids can enter the portal and just be like, All right, I'm dipping, I'm out. So it's so backwards the way they're doing it now.

Speaker 16 The NCAA

Speaker 15 and the outsourcing of the NCAA's powers has already begun with Deloitte and the NIL Clearinghouse and the Rev Share. All that started in August.

Speaker 31 And I don't know if the NIL Clearinghouse has approved a deal.

Speaker 30 A single one.

Speaker 14 I think that they're just trying to kick this can down the road before Congress actually has to do this because they know the second that they cap what a kid can make with their very subjective fair market NIL deal, they know it'll be challenged in court and a moratorium would be installed and we'd go right back to the way that things were.

Speaker 31 I'm pretty sure they haven't actually approved a deal in the couple of weeks that they've been in charge.

Speaker 16 If I ask you guys right now, how long before we get a college football super league?

Speaker 22 Well, I mean, the Big Ten is already trying to do this kind of stuff.

Speaker 16 How long before it actually happens? We're like, NCAA, we just don't care about you. Hey, Alabama, hey, Michigan, hey, like all the big powers.

Speaker 16 We're all just going to create our own super league, kind of like what they tried to do in Europe a few years ago.

Speaker 29 I think only

Speaker 31 the consumers in this country have far less power.

Speaker 13 They don't want to use their voice in a similar fashion, and their rights usually get trampled.

Speaker 16 And by the way, I don't know if the consumers would even care.

Speaker 16 Like in England, they care that, what do you mean that Arsenal won't be playing Wolverhamptonshire?

Speaker 16 That matters to them. It matters to the Arsenal fans.

Speaker 31 It matters if you increase the price of a Sodi pop.

Speaker 16 Like those things matter. But I'm saying

Speaker 16 in this country, if we said, hey, well, Alabama never gets to play Vanderbilt again, other than people who go to Vanderbilt or support Vanderbilt, nobody cares. Look, who cares?

Speaker 16 I just want to see Alabama, Ohio State every week, right? But over there, like they care.

Speaker 16 The fans of the big clubs care. What do you mean, I don't get to play Montpellier anymore? Like that, that really means something to them.
For sure.

Speaker 13 I mean, hundreds of years and you also have hundreds of years of tradition.

Speaker 31 You also have screwy situations in which the supporters supporters own parts of certain clubs or the grounds of certain clubs and clubs can't do things without the permission.

Speaker 31 Here in America, American consumers have been so beaten down by what capitalism is. Like, okay, what's the fee now?

Speaker 29 All right, cool.

Speaker 31 We're adding $47 to a ticket master fee.

Speaker 14 They're just so used to not having a voice here that it's never going to replicate that, which is a shame because Europe during the Super League showed exactly the power of your consumer.

Speaker 6 I wish we had that here.

Speaker 12 You simply cannot cannot get away with this.

Speaker 27 This is not, you have to stop.

Speaker 12 Imagine if they tried to do,

Speaker 36 if football fans were the base for streamers over in Europe.

Speaker 13 What we have over here, which is just 17 different streamers, announced streamers that don't exist.

Speaker 33 It wouldn't be allowed.

Speaker 16 I love this. I feel like this last couple of weeks, consumers found out two things.
How many platforms I need to watch my NFL games, how many platforms I need to watch my NBA games.

Speaker 16 And people lost their shit for the first time.

Speaker 21 It's like, what? I need this and that and this and that.

Speaker 16 And I'm like, what did y'all think was happening all this time when they're talking about $60 gajillion dollars in these TV deals? I don't know.

Speaker 46 I can't get wrapped up in all of it.

Speaker 24 I know Mike is so angry these last couple of weeks.

Speaker 16 It's his fault.

Speaker 22 Yeah, I guess so. Like, I can't get, tell me, tell me where, what I need to watch the games.
And, like, I'm going to make an informed decision if that's what I want to do.

Speaker 7 Yeah, well, I hear you.

Speaker 14 And what you said there is the issue.

Speaker 31 Tell me what I need.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 10 They're not really clearly telling me what I need.

Speaker 22 Yeah, Mike feels like he's in the dark.

Speaker 19 When they're announcing bundle packs with Fox One and ESPN, things that don't exist, the way that they announced, I thought Fox One and ESPN were supposed to be bundled with Max, and that wasn't, that was announced.

Speaker 4 That was a thing. There was a pricing tier, and then it was ruled to be illegal.

Speaker 43 And so then that's not happening.

Speaker 47 So then there's a standalone ESPN, and WWE's on there. But hey, this is a new rebranding of the standalone ESPN.

Speaker 14 And by the way, a couple of days later, there's going to be a bundle with Fox.

Speaker 13 What does that look like?

Speaker 12 We won't tell you just yet.

Speaker 1 So that's what cable providers did.

Speaker 1 Just kind of like, all this work, just kind of here. One space, go there.

Speaker 39 Flood the zone.

Speaker 19 They're flooding the zone with streamers.

Speaker 13 And what ends up happening is you have to pay for cable.

Speaker 44 and the streamers because if you want the full streaming experience, you still have to have the cable right now.

Speaker 22 You got to have the cable rights to then sign into the streamer.

Speaker 4 You can't even effectively cord cut anyway.

Speaker 26 I've got the outline for the NBA's where you can watch situations.

Speaker 22 That's for this year. That's starting this year?

Speaker 3 Starting this year.

Speaker 26 So Sundays you can watch on ABC, NBC, or Peacock.

Speaker 16 That's after NFL season.

Speaker 6 After NFL season, obviously.

Speaker 26 Because Sunday is dominated. Monday, Peacock.
Tuesday, NBC and Peacock.

Speaker 2 Okay. Wednesday, ESPN.

Speaker 26 Thursday, Prime. Friday, Prime and ESPN.
Saturday, Prime and ABC.

Speaker 16 There you go.

Speaker 48 So not confusing whatsoever.

Speaker 16 Four or five different platforms.

Speaker 26 The problem is it used to be like ESPN on

Speaker 37 Wednesdays and Fridays, and then Tuesday, Thursday was TNT.

Speaker 26 And then after football season, we had ABC for Sundays, and that was that.

Speaker 22 Yeah. Did you see apparently only one time, and I think it might be opening night, only one time before Christmas ESPN's using inside the NBA?

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 16 No, that makes sense. They don't want to blow their watt on a random ass Friday game.
Like, they want it when people are watching. So they'll do it opening week and then they'll do Christmas.

Speaker 16 And then after that, we'll start picking up.

Speaker 49 I would assume you also don't want to cannibalize your football slate.

Speaker 30 ESPN has a fair amount of football that airs on their streamers and conventional channels.

Speaker 31 You want to dedicate your fall programming to football.

Speaker 14 If you have inside the NBA, that means less football.

Speaker 19 And football brings in the ratings, even the MACSIN.

Speaker 16 The MACIN.

Speaker 22 I don't know, like, there's a lot of complaining from us. It sounds like when it comes to, oh, it's different channels, this night, this night, this night.
I don't know.

Speaker 22 It wasn't that long ago where, you know, you had, it was TNT on Thursday nights nights and like that's all you got i mean now we have options all over the place to watch you are paying yeah i get i get you you are paying a premium for that and it it is the sport is in some ways more accessible because there's more of it and you yeah and in some cases it's clear where to get it but um it also comes at a price to be to be also honest and i know now i'm i'm gonna sound like zaz here but like i'm already subscribed to a prime already have prime That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 16 That's how I saw War of the Worlds, and that's how I got Sox, right? Like I'm already on Prime, right? And then what else is there? ESPN. ESPN, we already have that.

Speaker 2 NBC Peacock.

Speaker 16 I love it. I have it.
We got Hulu. Yeah.
I've been had peacock because of how do I watch the damn retard show. Right.
And then what else is there?

Speaker 42 That's it.

Speaker 38 Prime, Peacock, NBC.

Speaker 16 And so it's like, oh, the people are like, oh, and if you're in, I got to get Paramount Plus.

Speaker 33 I already have it, man.

Speaker 50 Sounds like people

Speaker 1 just want to complain.

Speaker 21 Maybe that's it.

Speaker 16 Yes, but it is like, it adds up, though.

Speaker 5 I had to get the zoned for a month, but then they charge me for a full year.

Speaker 7 I don't.

Speaker 41 And most of the stuff is, I still have to pay additionally for it

Speaker 36 because the FIFA Club World Cup was on there.

Speaker 16 When does UFC switch to Paramount Plus? 26. 26.

Speaker 16 Very close.

Speaker 16 I can't wait. We're right there.
Can't wait to put on Lioness and not figure out what. Exactly right.

Speaker 24 Amanda Nunes. Where is she?

Speaker 38 She's back against Kayla Harrison. Oh my God.
Biggest fight in the women's division. All right.

Speaker 26 So really quick, can you substantiate something that that I saw online that people were kind of crashing out about?

Speaker 26 Are there really West Coast games starting at 11 p.m.?

Speaker 6 I saw that too.

Speaker 22 I just have to believe it.

Speaker 42 Me too. I agreed.

Speaker 16 So Tuesday nights, the NBC game

Speaker 16 is going to be the late game. It's going to be the early game is 8 p.m.
Late game is 11 p.m. What? And this is so this is Tuesdays only, you're saying? Only Tuesdays.
Okay.

Speaker 22 So is that really 11.15?

Speaker 33 It depends.

Speaker 21 Let me see what it depends. Come on.

Speaker 45 Now, when an 8 p.m.

Speaker 16 start time for for the early game, it shouldn't impact the start on the late game. What happened was back in the day,

Speaker 16 on TNT, TNT Thursdays, this was notorious. You would have the East Coast game, and then the West Coast game could not start if the East Coast game was still going in regulation, right?

Speaker 16 So if you had, it was, hey, it's a one-point game.

Speaker 22 Isn't it still like that today?

Speaker 16 No, it changed. It changed after a while.
But basically, it was, oh, if it's close, but like not in overtime, then we're going to stay here. And we can hold the start time on the next game for

Speaker 22 10.52. Yeah.
You know, those games would end up starting.

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 16 And

Speaker 16 that was especially terrible for us in Phoenix because...

Speaker 16 during the winter we're mountain time so our games our son's games nobody knows what the mountain time is yeah that's so tough for you man you had to wait 40 minutes instead of like four hours like on the east coast or west coast games i mean first of all i was working those games second of all that means i get home at like 2 a.m as opposed to getting home like 1 or whatever.

Speaker 16 So

Speaker 16 it's a problem.

Speaker 16 Now, I think they're trying to alleviate that problem by giving that three-hour block for game one so that no matter how many overtimes it goes to, it'll never get to the point where we're halting the start of the other game.

Speaker 21 Now, the interesting thing,

Speaker 16 now here's the thing. The NBA a couple years ago put made this whole push of we're not going to get these crazy late starts anymore.
So you saw like Miami Heat game start at 7 p.m.

Speaker 16 And I was like, what? Well, it's because they want to start the West Coast game early. They don't want to wait until 10.30.
So they're trying to get a 10 o'clock start.

Speaker 16 And so we have all this stuff going on to in order to keep the East Coast people here. The fact that NBC is the only one that has 11 p.m.

Speaker 16 games tells me they paid to say, hey, look, this is important for us.

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Speaker 16 Oh man, I've been singing a song to myself all morning long.

Speaker 18 Breakfast flannel.

Speaker 50 Stugats.

Speaker 24 Have you never heard the breakfast flan song?

Speaker 1 Okay.

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Speaker 37 This is the Dan Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

Speaker 19 You know how Dan obsesses over media coverage

Speaker 19 and stand-up comedy. Doesn't he?

Speaker 40 I kind of feel like that's beginning to happen with streamers and me, and I don't like it.

Speaker 30 I want to nip it.

Speaker 24 But I do have a point of contention for something that Zaz said. Like,

Speaker 27 you guys were very casual.

Speaker 12 Like, we know what we need.

Speaker 5 We have most of what we need.

Speaker 46 No, I don't know what I need.

Speaker 4 They announced something that presently, if I want to to watch PLEs, Xfinity and YouTube TV are not allowed to get the PLEs,

Speaker 24 the WWE

Speaker 21 live events.

Speaker 12 Okay, but that deal has not been worked out yet. We know what they aspire to, but no, I do have those services.

Speaker 22 And presently, I'm twisting in the wind because I can't watch what I want to watch.

Speaker 16 Mike, let me ask you something. I'm going to start naming streamers.
You stop me when you say I don't have that one.

Speaker 45 No, I have all of them, and I have the cable packages.

Speaker 16 What do you need? No, he wants to. I need it to be a lot of people.

Speaker 22 So you have to be paying for WWE because his current provider does not, it hasn't been disclosed yet if that is going to be included.

Speaker 22 Like, for instance, I have DirecTV stream and mine is going to be included for this WWE pay-per-views, okay?

Speaker 16 I'm not included.

Speaker 25 I hate that delay.

Speaker 22 But here's, here's the thing, Mike. It's not taking place for another five months.
Like, I get it that two weeks ago the deal was announced.

Speaker 22 It'd be really nice if the deal had a little bit more clarity.

Speaker 7 I'm with you.

Speaker 22 But it's five months away.

Speaker 42 There were reports that a newly created PLE will air on ESPN before that, just this morning.

Speaker 23 And now that's all rumor and innuendo when it comes to wrestling, but there's just something new every day that confuses me about this.

Speaker 32 I think maybe four years from now is when we get Super League to answer your initial question.

Speaker 13 No, thanks.

Speaker 16 I tried to transition in the middle of that, by the way. I don't know if anyone caught it when asked me.

Speaker 43 No, we went on a tangent.

Speaker 19 But I think it's inevitable just because that's where the money.

Speaker 31 is and yeah the big ten and sec have the influence right now it's kind of deserved but this is the second biggest sport in america And it just goes against all the free market capitalism ideals of this country, that it's not going to be maximizing and get to a point where I think ultimately the college football playoff will be an employer for a tier that is set for those 40 to 50 programs that are of that level.

Speaker 31 I don't know what this means for the northern Illinois of the world.

Speaker 13 It probably means a very different looking sport for them, but that's just where this stuff stuff is headed eventually, I think.

Speaker 1 We need some sort of imaging for when we talk streaming. I agree.

Speaker 16 Yeah. What should it sound like?

Speaker 52 A river. There we go.

Speaker 29 That makes me want to pee.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 16 that's a very weak stream.

Speaker 26 It is a weak stream.

Speaker 38 You got to check that prostate. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Wow. You guys are very judgy with the streams.

Speaker 16 A couple of fingers up here.

Speaker 16 Let him know everything. How's your uncle?

Speaker 16 I don't like it.

Speaker 32 Keep searching.

Speaker 31 You guys were right about not reading too much into the practices and whatnot, because because the preseason game rolled around for the miami dolphins and it looked very very different and oh man

Speaker 2 dolphins are fixed tom mcdania got a signature win over the lions dolphins have no losses this preseason undefeated undefeated with a tie

Speaker 16 that's that's what we're talking is that a camel no that's that's that's me at las roses last night that's a road trip piss how'd you like the updated bathroom wow man you know what's funny i joked with michael i'm gonna do a my own little bar rescue rescue recon.

Speaker 16 And whenever bar rescue renovates bars, they're like, oh, we got you seven

Speaker 16 POS systems. Oh, we got the Orange Door system.

Speaker 16 All these upgrades. They never go into the bathrooms.
And I've been reading like Yelp reviews of the renovated bars. And they're like, the bathrooms are still as gross as ever, right?

Speaker 16 These beautiful, it looks beautiful. All these LED lights and stuff, gross bathrooms.
Mike and his boys, you know what they did? They said, Let's take care of the facilities.

Speaker 16 Let's make sure that people come in here and it's nice and clean and well lit. And I appreciate multiple urinals.
I hate me a bar with one urinal. Just one in there.

Speaker 27 And it's next to the sink offense.

Speaker 1 You aren't planning for a lot of people if you have one urinal in here. Exactly.

Speaker 13 You got to set the expectations a little higher.

Speaker 28 Zagak.

Speaker 16 I have some urinals, man. And splash guards.

Speaker 7 With dividers, too.

Speaker 16 The splash guards. Splash guards.

Speaker 16 What are they? Privacy screens? What do you call them?

Speaker 6 Yeah, divider.

Speaker 1 Privacy. No, divider, I know exactly what you're saying.

Speaker 16 Splash guards, no?

Speaker 38 Splash there's a thing inside the urinal that so it doesn't shoot back.

Speaker 16 I thought it's also so it doesn't shoot to the side.

Speaker 48 But that's often operator error, too.

Speaker 7 Maybe

Speaker 35 you got to go sidewalls.

Speaker 46 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 There are ways to...

Speaker 24 You got to have a little touch on that pass.

Speaker 16 Well, I mean, sometimes there are obstructions that lead to unexpected obstructions that lead to a diverted stream.

Speaker 21 Have you ever had that? I had that.

Speaker 1 It happened to me recently where somebody

Speaker 7 got a little on the ground.

Speaker 1 It hit the ground.

Speaker 36 It was like a visual.

Speaker 21 They repeat, and it like hit the ground.

Speaker 1 And like, I saw it hit the ground, and it was so bad that they were like, sorry.

Speaker 1 You know, usually it's just like an unspoken thing, like, like, all right, we both saw it. We don't have to comment.
He was, my bad.

Speaker 14 Man, it's on my shoelace now.

Speaker 22 Yeah, you threw it away, right?

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Sound like it.

Speaker 24 It sounded like a yes.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm at an establishment. When are we going to walk out with one shoe?

Speaker 16 Put it in the washer. Honestly.
The washer? No, that's not in the washer.

Speaker 40 No, not the whole shoe.

Speaker 16 No shoe lace. No part of the lace is going in that washer.

Speaker 28 Put on some gloves and take it off.

Speaker 16 There you go. You got to scrub that thing.

Speaker 33 Yeah. Look at the little tub.

Speaker 16 Let's squeeze some soap.

Speaker 21 Oh, scrub it out.

Speaker 16 The dolphins won.

Speaker 12 The dolphins won, and Quinn Ewers looked good, apparently.

Speaker 16 Looked not as bad.

Speaker 20 I didn't watch this game the way that I watched the Bears game.

Speaker 15 And there was mixed feedback on Quinn Ewers' performance from the last game.

Speaker 13 This one, everyone seems to be pretty positive about it.

Speaker 22 Yeah, he was good. And I don't see the reason in having Zach Wilson on this team.
I really Like, we know what Zach Wilson is. He's been in the league long enough.
He sucks, man.

Speaker 22 Get off my team. Has he been in the league long enough?

Speaker 1 I feel like that's debatable. I'm not with you.
I'm not saying...

Speaker 22 This is his fifth year, I think.

Speaker 1 He didn't play at all last year.

Speaker 22 This is his third team.

Speaker 50 Reason.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, he's got a big arm.

Speaker 2 He also failed twice at the Jets before they got rid of him.

Speaker 22 You know what? That's another thing you're saying. He's got a big arm.
Dolbus had a clear touchdown.

Speaker 22 I forget which receiver was. Who the hell can keep track of the names? Guys are not going to make a team.

Speaker 16 But dude had four yards on the defender.

Speaker 22 He underthrew it so bad and it ended up being an incomplete pass. I thought that's supposed to be his strength that he's got a big arm.
He sucks, man. I'd much rather, I said it last week.

Speaker 22 After Quinn Ewers was five for 18, I told you I'd much rather have Quinn Ewers on this team, let him develop as a backup than have this Zach Wilson. I'm done with seeing him, man.

Speaker 21 Sucks.

Speaker 16 Billy? Rebuttal?

Speaker 6 I don't have a rebuttal to that.

Speaker 24 He's not rebuilt.

Speaker 45 He knows I'm right. Yeah, no, he's absolutely right.

Speaker 2 I I mean, Quentin Ewers is already QB2, I think, in everybody's mind. He cannot possibly be behind Zach Wilson on this.

Speaker 39 I believe he is.

Speaker 2 He's not going to head into the season as the number three quarterback with the way that two of them have performed this preseason.

Speaker 1 Zach Wilson's $6 million this year.

Speaker 16 Sucks, man.

Speaker 21 How does that happen?

Speaker 22 That's like the rate for a backup quarterback.

Speaker 16 No, no, no, I'm just saying Zach Wilson in general. Like, you were.

Speaker 16 It's weird, right? Like, you were... Look, I get it.
Maybe you weren't going to be the second best player in your draft class.

Speaker 22 No, but it happens all the time, what you're saying.

Speaker 16 But yeah, it's always funny to me. It's like, it's never they miss, like, oh, I thought he was going to be great.
He ended up being okay.

Speaker 16 It's always, I thought he's going to be great. Turn out to play.

Speaker 33 Dog shit.

Speaker 16 Like, how is that the gap every single time?

Speaker 2 By the way, Zach Wilson is the least of the Dolphins' problems at the moment.

Speaker 16 Right, of course.

Speaker 2 They have so many other problems. Like, Zach Wilson's not make or break for the Dolphins season.

Speaker 22 I mean, biggest problem right now is Devon H. Anger be ready? Week number one?

Speaker 41 Like, I feel like that's probably.

Speaker 26 They said it wasn't severe.

Speaker 38 Soft tissue, but not severe. I don't know.

Speaker 22 I mean, he was pretty coy about it, that Mike McDaniel. It's going to be days to weeks.

Speaker 21 Well,

Speaker 3 exactly.

Speaker 22 It's gonna be days to weeks. What does that mean?

Speaker 16 Like anything more than seven, it turns into weeks, right? Days to weeks.

Speaker 16 If it's eight days, you're already in weeks, right? Because it's this week and then a little bit of next week.

Speaker 19 We're already headed to week one install.

Speaker 48 Don't want to tip your cards.

Speaker 20 That's so that's all that is.

Speaker 16 Teamsmanship. I like the idea that this matters.

Speaker 13 I like that they take a break from the preseason.

Speaker 5 Like, all right, everyone gets one last vacation and we

Speaker 2 say this team it's more time for trouble honestly like you think that off week is going to be spent productively because i have no faith in this team i think

Speaker 20 tyreek hill is just going to stay home and chill

Speaker 22 it seems like they just met each other a week ago it's crazy i got to know each other still it's been five years what are we doing yeah right tyreek hill told us he finally is under is starting to understand the offense okay on the team fourth year

Speaker 16 it's you is that just him trying to say things that he thinks fans will like or he's he's missing on that mark.

Speaker 2 I would say I would say on the majority of things that he's saying, the fans aren't buying it. Like, I'm done with this team, I don't want to be here anymore, whatever he said last year.

Speaker 2 That one missed the mark, too.

Speaker 16 I'm just saying, do you think, is it possible?

Speaker 1 Like, when he says, I'm finally starting to understand the offense, in his mind, to your point, yes, he thinks he's like, oh, I got this fans right where I want.

Speaker 22 I think he thinks he's being a leader now.

Speaker 16 Right. Like, like, people are thinking, like, oh, cool, guys.
This whole time, he's been great and he didn't even understand the offense. Now that he understands it, we're going to be amazing.

Speaker 2 I think that's what he's trying to project, as opposed to actually letting us know i didn't understand the offense for four years not that anyone cares about this but like now when you look back and like i'm not saying this to defend tua is a tua is like an elite quarterback in the league but now that he's saying this you look back at like the first two years and you're like hmm maybe tariq was actually running the wrong routes the entire time when tua kept missing you're like wow tua does not know what he's doing

Speaker 2 too a little bit here i'm saying like now he's saying i didn't really know the playbook it's like oh maybe maybe we're wrong about that situation and we just gave tyreek hell the benefit of the doubt because he was the fast guy and he was from the Chiefs and Tua was the guy that the year before got benched and had the whole thing with Brian Flores, but it's Tua needs to step it up, let's be real.

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Speaker 20 All right, we got to go back out there. That was big.

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Speaker 16 I'm really excited because Jackson Dart looks like the real deal.

Speaker 43 Oh, you're Giants.

Speaker 22 Oh, that's your team?

Speaker 16 That's my team, man. You know, I said, being a Giants fan is the most rewarding thing in my life because I know once a decade we're going to win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 16 Every year, every decade of my life, they've won a Super Bowl. So I'm like, you can be trash the rest of the time.
Just give me one within a decade and we're good.

Speaker 22 You know, it's funny because I hear you say that and then I think to myself, okay, would I rather that where we're likely going to be shitty for almost every year, but once a decade, we are going to win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 22 Or would you rather, you know, maybe you're able to contend every single year, maybe you win multiple Super Bowls.

Speaker 22 And then I stop myself and I'm like, your team, meaning me, has been shitty every single year for decades now. Wouldn't it have been nice? They've given you neither.

Speaker 3 So mix in a couple of Super Bowl wins.

Speaker 16 They've given you neither. I like that.
No, it's funny because I have the perfect, I'm a Yankees fan. And it's like, obviously, I had that moment in the 90s and early 2000s.
That was amazing.

Speaker 16 But it's like,

Speaker 16 you feel kind of that emptiness now. Like, wow, that was a long time ago.
Versus the Giants, I have like once a decade, I get to pipe up and speak, talk my shit, and like, uh-huh.

Speaker 16 And then I'm gonna go back into hiding, and I don't have to worry about anything. And when people try to stress me about, like, oh, your Giants suck them, they'll be fine.

Speaker 27 And it's even though the NFC East is probably the

Speaker 13 division in the NFL with the most prestige.

Speaker 32 Yes. It's been random.

Speaker 3 Like, teams go from bottom to together.

Speaker 22 I think you're right. And and it makes sense because you're talking Northeast.

Speaker 16 Well, it's called Cowboys, Giants, Eagles, and Washington. So that's.

Speaker 27 I think famously for several strings, for a several-year string,

Speaker 13 they had a different division winner.

Speaker 21 Oh, it's been longer than that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and it's

Speaker 31 kind of similar to the AFC South and the NFC South in terms of parody, but we don't think of it that way because you have really prestigious teams in there.

Speaker 36 But the Dolphins, if you want to just do like the jealousy of the fandom thing, the Giants have existed in this division that has a fair amount of parody.

Speaker 14 The Dolphins, once I finally get Tom Brady out of the equation, Josh Allen strolls in.

Speaker 22 Right, the team who went 17 years with no playoffs now runs your division.

Speaker 46 So you never get the, well, at least we have, we're that random division winner.

Speaker 19 At least we get the benefits of a home playoff game where we can snipe one of these teams that are better.

Speaker 27 The best you guys have ever felt about your team in the last 20 years.

Speaker 19 You had to stroll into Arrowhead Stadium and it was negative 20 degrees out.

Speaker 48 It's a little unfair. It feels cruel on some level.

Speaker 16 The other thing about being a Giants fan is finding out that Daniel Jones is still in the NFL. That shocked me.
I was like, what?

Speaker 22 Might start week one.

Speaker 16 That's what I'm saying. I'm like, oh, he's alive

Speaker 22 and like competing for a job.

Speaker 21 How is this possible?

Speaker 16 And then I talked about Anthony Richardson. I said, is he about to have the same sort of situation as Zach Wilson? Where it's like, you went from, oh, this guy's going to be amazing to

Speaker 16 not just not great, but not good.

Speaker 22 Well, the difference being Zach Wilson had a resume in school. Like everyone thought Zach Wilson was going to be a good quarterback in the NFL.
Anthony Richardson had like a dozen starts in college.

Speaker 16 Entire collegiate career. You know what I call me crazy? I knew Zach Wilson wasn't going to work out.
You know when I knew?

Speaker 16 The Heisman Trophies, like finalists, when they got him up on stage and he like like looked at the guy left him like and he does this cartoonish gold

Speaker 16 that's when I knew that dude will never ever be good because you can't be in like it's an award show first of all why would you be intimidated by that how insecure are you who was the guy next to him

Speaker 16 it was whoever the finalists were for Heisman that year someone could look it up but it's I swear to God, if video can find it, it is the funniest thing ever.

Speaker 16 Because like, and the final is for Heisman, and they all like step up onto the stage, and it's like he's a little shorter than other guys, and he looks to the left and looks to the right, and his eyes get wide.

Speaker 43 Is that the draft or the Heisman?

Speaker 21 I think you might be conflated to two.

Speaker 18 Oh, his draft, where all the draft first-round guys step up, and then he's there, like

Speaker 24 visibly smaller than everybody.

Speaker 10 He looks around, like, yeah, I remember him being memeable from the draft.

Speaker 14 I don't even recall him being in New York for the Heisman finalists.

Speaker 33 It may be, yeah, I stand corrected.

Speaker 16 Maybe I stand corrected. Maybe, but either way,

Speaker 16 it was before he played an NFL second.

Speaker 39 It was good scouting on your part, though.

Speaker 24 Because you saw in your like there's fear in those eyes.

Speaker 16 Fear, and then the gulp, and then so you could see in his mind, like, come on, Zach, pep up, you're just as good as these guys. And he stands up.
He's like, he tries to puff off his chest.

Speaker 16 I'm like, get the hell out of here, man. You supposed to be a leader in a locker room?

Speaker 35 You're supposed to tell people what to do?

Speaker 45 You're like, oh, I don't know.

Speaker 16 These guys look kind of big, mom.

Speaker 20 So he has a big arm, but he's undersized, turnover prone.

Speaker 10 He has a big arm, but...

Speaker 27 Takes a lot of sacks.

Speaker 19 But he takes sacks,

Speaker 13 and oftentimes the ball ends up in the other team's hand.

Speaker 10 So what does Zach Wilson actually bring to the table to earn $6 million

Speaker 49 and another opportunity?

Speaker 5 Is it the fact that he has starting experience and teams value that?

Speaker 13 I'm sure the Dolphins can get out from this contract because he's not a starter.

Speaker 12 I don't know what level of guarantees are there, but I understand why with a quarterback like Tua, who you will perpetually have injury concerns with, he's a hit away from his career.

Speaker 20 I guess anybody is a hit away from their career ending, but it feels like it's actually.

Speaker 21 He's really close.

Speaker 43 Yeah, Tua feels like an innocuous hit may end his career.

Speaker 16 I don't want to shout too loud around him.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 35 So are you comfortable with going with Quinn Ewers as your backup quarterback when Quinn Ewers also is undersized?

Speaker 22 As opposed to Wilson?

Speaker 16 Man, but I'm trying to figure out what he brings to the table.

Speaker 14 If it's experience, I'm pretty sure an experienced quarterback is going to get cut around the league that you can bring in.

Speaker 16 Where's Tannehill?

Speaker 45 Nowhere.

Speaker 2 He's still waiting to get that starting job on a playoff team.

Speaker 16 Do y'all remember last year I said, man, Tannehill should go with the Dolphins because the dude is definitely going to get hurt.

Speaker 43 They're not going to bring him in here.

Speaker 2 We talked about this last week. The Dolphins are not going to bring in anyone to be a number two quarterback that's a threat to Tua starting.
Like, they are not going to do that.

Speaker 2 That's why they've had bad backups. But Quinn, you were, like, this was supposed to be them going and, like, doing a thing like, oh, Zach Wilson, now we're going to take this seriously.

Speaker 2 But they don't want a quarterback controversy on that.

Speaker 1 I love that Billy has them being like, we need a bad quarterback.

Speaker 1 I would imagine they're finding, trying to find the best of the best.

Speaker 39 No, not someone that's too good.

Speaker 37 They don't, they, you think the Dolphins are

Speaker 16 on to something. I think Billy's right.
He's on to something.

Speaker 28 That would be a terrible way to do that.

Speaker 2 Well, that's why we see the results that we've gotten because of the approach that they've been taking.

Speaker 39 Let me ask you something. Let me ask you something, Chris.

Speaker 22 Let me ask something. Forget about the money.
If there was a way to acquire him, to be your backup, do you think it'd be a good idea for the Dolphins to acquire Kirk Cousins?

Speaker 7 Oh, yes. I'm with you.

Speaker 22 And I would say no because of exactly what Billy's talking about.

Speaker 1 And I wouldn't worry about Tua's feelings.

Speaker 1 I would just be like, if I'm Chris Greer, I want the second best quarterback that I can possibly find in the amount of money I have to spend on a backup.

Speaker 2 They could have signed Jameis Winston if they wanted to

Speaker 2 for a two-year deal worth the same as Zach Wilson's one-year deal, and they didn't do it.

Speaker 22 Well, and you know why they don't do that, though? Because if exactly what Billy's talking about, the entire locker room, no matter what team he's on, loves Jameis Winston.

Speaker 1 Might it be the media more they're worried about? Like, we would be talking about Tannehill.

Speaker 7 It plays a part.

Speaker 21 Like, I think the locker room would be like

Speaker 16 any team that does, I'm sure it happens, but it's really rare, does stuff because they're worried about what the media are going to say. Like, unless it's an off-the-field issue,

Speaker 16 that doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 But that's where that narrative would be bigger.

Speaker 16 But what Billy's saying is absolutely right, where it's like, you want a guy who's good, but not too good, because you don't want to kind of upset the golden goose and push back.

Speaker 2 It also shows kind of like, I don't know how much they actually believe in Tua, if that's the approach, right because if they like actually believed until they're like well we're never gonna have to get to this so it doesn't matter we'll have someone but it doesn't matter but with tua like you know an injury is definitely a possibility at some point in the season and if your backup is better than tua then what do you do when you just gave him 50 million dollars a year i think that's the part it's like you should be as from a responsible front office you should be getting a quarterback that can be very like good to very good if your guy's going to go down knowing that tua is one shot away from falling Well, back to the original point.

Speaker 19 Jameis may be available because Jackson Dart did look good.

Speaker 2 He's going to end up in New Orleans again, right, Jameis?

Speaker 37 New Orleans is a mess.

Speaker 2 They need a real quarterback.

Speaker 3 Spencer Radler. You don't like Tyler Schock?

Speaker 16 No, they're going to go with Tyler Schoch, probably. They're not going to go with Tyler Schock.

Speaker 13 They've got a tough start to the season, by the way.

Speaker 26 First six games, tough.

Speaker 16 Shuck and jive.

Speaker 16 Mike White on the Bills.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 21 You've been watching hard knocks.

Speaker 24 I have been watching hard knocks.

Speaker 21 Son of a bitch.

Speaker 45 I was like, wow, man.

Speaker 16 And everyone's giving him great compliments.

Speaker 16 And I'm like, well, if he's that good, then why the dolphins let go of him?

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