The Big Suey: When He Croaks (feat. David Samson)

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Speaker 11 Welcome to the Big Sue,

Speaker 11 presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? It's a podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebatard podcast.

Speaker 16 I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.

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We should be.

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Speaker 13 Yeah.

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Speaker 15 Awesome. Let's bring a board David Sampson.
Nothing personal with David Sampson every day. Hello, David.
How are you this morning?

Speaker 26 So take these broken wings.

Speaker 13 Hello? Hello? Are we...

Speaker 26 Are we singing Mr. Mister? We're done with that? We are done with that.
I can't get it out of my mind.

Speaker 19 I must travel.

Speaker 10 What are the other words, do you guys?

Speaker 26 It's Kyrie liaison. And I always thought that it was French for like a liaison.
But what I just heard from Mike earlier in the show, last hour, is that it's a person. I didn't know that.

Speaker 23 Kyrie Irving.

Speaker 15 David, can you help me out here? You saw Jacob Marcy for the Marlins last night. Bonds.
I mean, 1400 OPS right now. I know it's a

Speaker 27 games as.

Speaker 15 Some would say small sample size. I get it.

Speaker 15 But I don't know, like when you're running a team and you see, obviously, he's not going to be this guy that we're seeing right now, but is it worth being really excited about in such a short period of time?

Speaker 26 I don't want to be that guy, but I'll give you two names to ponder. One, Kevin Moss.
Now, that's a bit of an older name than many of you may not know. Stu Gotts definitely knows that name.

Speaker 26 Boy, that guy was hot. Yes.
And now what? I assume now now he's a farmer, which is not bad to be a farmer, but it's just not a professional baseball player.

Speaker 26 I picture him like John Lovitz with Gina Davis and League of Their Own, like doing milking of cows. Two, remember Abraham Nunez.
This is more for Mike in the old days. Maybe Billy not there.

Speaker 26 Definitely not Izzy. That guy was hot on the Marlins during spring training.
He was leading the Grapefruit League in home runs.

Speaker 26 You know what? I'm in on Marcy because it's cool to watch, but it's baseball. You cannot think, Izzy, that he's the next Barry Bonds.
So all of a sudden, you got to start watching the team.

Speaker 26 He's got a long way to go to be Barry Bonds.

Speaker 19 You knew that about Moss, right? Because he's the president of Mount Vernon's Farm Power.

Speaker 27 So you knew that, right?

Speaker 26 I swear to Stew Gotts. That's a great Stugatz Samson moment.
I had no idea that he's even Google-ableable anymore. No, I didn't know what he was.

Speaker 26 But clearly, he's got to be running something because he certainly did not get the pension from MLB.

Speaker 10 I've pieced it all together and no, Kitty Aleison is not an actual person.

Speaker 10 I'm very bad, very bad husband because my wife is Greek Orthodox, got married in a Greek Orthodox church. They always say Kitty Aleison, and I'm like, what is that thing?

Speaker 13 That's super catchy.

Speaker 10 That's just like a Greek saying.

Speaker 13 It's not a person.

Speaker 10 So I've been pretty close when I've just been going, Kidi Le Leson.

Speaker 13 I mean, that's pretty damn close.

Speaker 16 It's like every Pearl Jam song.

Speaker 10 I've been doing Kidio Leison anytime I go to Mass, like anytime. and I just pieced it together that really rolls off the tongue for you too do it again kirio laison and that's what the uh

Speaker 26 Greek Orthodox priests meant that sounds like any church has that sort of cadence or any synagogue I but I that's not the Mr. Mr.
song the Mr. Mr.
song is Kiri laison.

Speaker 10 I think it's way more enunciated in the song That's because they're not actually Greek, but these are like Greek Orthodox priests that have to hit the right inflection

Speaker 26 nor are they Australian.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that that one was unfortunate on my behalf.

Speaker 15 So I guess, David, like, I understand the points you're making there, and I remember Abraham Nunez, but was Abraham Nunez like the prize prospect that they got back in return for an all-star who led the National League and, you know, batting average?

Speaker 26 Listen, do you know, going back to the game last night, the pick of the day on nothing personal was the Orioles and a former Marlin named Trevor Rogers, who's turned out to be exactly what the Marlins thought.

Speaker 26 They're so good at developing pitchers. But that trade with the Orioles was really for Connor Norby, not for Kyle Stowers.
Kyle Stowers was a throw-in. And now, look, he's the star.

Speaker 26 So you can't really necessarily look at, oh, this was the trade where we traded this player and we got back this star prospect. Because pretty often it turns out to be Dontrell Willis was a throw-in.

Speaker 26 It turns out to be that you don't really know what you're getting until it happens. And so that's why evaluating these trades or looking at the, it's a new thing now.

Speaker 26 The farm system rankings are out and everyone's jumping all over themselves. Hey, look, the number one farm system, who cares? I want to know who the best team in baseball is at the big league level.

Speaker 26 And to do that, you need good players of every age.

Speaker 1 Jeremy actually pointed out to me, to your point, that Marcy wasn't even the main piece in that trade. Dylan Head was the bigger piece in that trade.

Speaker 1 So it turned out that, you know, Marcy's sneaking up there.

Speaker 26 Well, as a matter of fact, who knows how it will turn out, but it's right now. It's turning out now.
You always like to see the Marlins have been great with young players.

Speaker 26 We've done that as an organization for so long. There was the Ramirez, the catcher.
When he came up, I don't think he made an out and it was this unbelievable thing.

Speaker 26 And now he's, you know, he's still right there in the talk for Rookie of the Year, top five, top eight. But with Baldwin, it's not going to happen.
But in any case,

Speaker 26 there's always reason for optimism when young players do well because you feel like there's an opportunity to have overperformance for a number of years before they get expensive in arbitration.

Speaker 26 And you need a bunch of players like that in order to win. But you don't have to have heard of these players.

Speaker 26 How many Milwaukee Brewers can you name other than Yelly and maybe peralta and maybe woodruff and maybe josh hayter and devin williams but how many current brewers can you name and they're the best team in baseball by a lot john jaha uh richard sexton jeremy burnitz

Speaker 26 ben sheets george scott uh uh david

Speaker 19 david this is funny because kevin moss had 21 homers he was second in the rookie of the year voting in the american league he had 21 homers in like 60 some odd games and was out of the big leagues four years later so he was on the back back page of the New York Post or Daily News, what seemed to me, obviously, I'm thinking and revising history, but it seemed like every day.

Speaker 26 And he was this, he almost, and as I also recall, he sort of looked like Rob Lowe. He did.

Speaker 26 And so there was a lot of just, he was a matinee idol who was crushing home runs. He looked like Adonis.
And guess what? Never got to free agency.

Speaker 13 J.J.

Speaker 16 Hardy.

Speaker 13 Oh, he's got a good job. Jeff Cirillo.
Oh, Cirillo.

Speaker 26 Oh, God. Deep cut.

Speaker 13 Teddy He's a guilder. Yes.

Speaker 15 David, who was the prospect you were so sure of was going to be what you thought he was going to be, and he just, you know, didn't amount to it.

Speaker 26 That we traded for? Yeah. Or that we drafted?

Speaker 15 Like, you traded one of, you know, the Marlins star players for?

Speaker 26 Well, he turned out to be great. We traded for a prospect named Hanley Ramirez, who turned out to be a really good one.
And I was told I didn't know who he was.

Speaker 26 That's another funny thing when GMs are talking about the prospects they trade for. They don't know these guys.
You get it from your baseball people who are scouting the systems of the other teams.

Speaker 26 The GMs don't go around to minor league games. They don't go around to see these guys.

Speaker 26 They see some video, maybe a bit, but you're counting on your scouts and on your people who are in scouting and professional scouting to give you the names.

Speaker 26 And then you count on your GM to give the president the name. But I was told, hey, listen, Hanley Ramirez.
and Annabelle Sanchez, you'll forget about Beckett and they're taking Lowell's money.

Speaker 26 Well, I didn't forget about Beckett and Lowell, but man, Annabelle Sanchez and Hanley Ramirez were two good Marlins.

Speaker 15 All right, so it's literally the opposite of what I asked you, though.

Speaker 26 Curie lays on down the road that I must travel.

Speaker 13 David Alder.

Speaker 1 David, do teams ever, like, if let's say you have a prospect who's like maybe a top 10 guy, but we don't really like this guy in-house.

Speaker 1 So we're going to actually call him our third best prospect so that teams think he's better than he actually is. Does that happen?

Speaker 26 The Yankees, the Yankees change their prospect order, just so you know, when they're doing a whole bunch of trades, like you can't pay attention ever when you're trading with the Yankees to what number prospect it is, because it's all made up all the time.

Speaker 26 And we would laugh with Cashmore about this because they pumped their prospects.

Speaker 26 We would meet with our scouts and with our media and say, listen, we're going to be talking about the following five players right now because they stink and we want to move them, but we want to pretend they're super good.

Speaker 26 good. See, we're going to say that they're our third ranked.
Sometimes we'll give like minor league player of the year to someone so they can have that on their resume.

Speaker 26 There's all sorts of shenanigans that goes on because the media and fans look at these rankings and say, oh, look, you traded this guy for the number two, four, and seven prospect of the other team system.

Speaker 26 It's Horosaki.

Speaker 19 I made a mistake.

Speaker 16 I got the wrong Kevin Moss.

Speaker 19 The Kevin Moss we're talking about is a financial advisor and doing very well.

Speaker 16 He is a millionaire for Charles Schwab.

Speaker 3 So I don't know what happened there. It's M-A-A-S.

Speaker 23 Kevin Moss is the former Yankee.

Speaker 3 Did you go M-O-S-S? Where'd you go there?

Speaker 19 No, I went Kevin Moss. There's just another Kevin Moss out there.
Yes.

Speaker 16 Who's a farmer? It's weird.

Speaker 26 But he still was only in the big leagues four years, and he still looks like Rob Lowe.

Speaker 13 Correct. Yes, on both.

Speaker 26 Got that right.

Speaker 15 So, David, speaking of millionaires, what do you make of what's going on in the Portland Trailblazers? The Allen estate they sell to the group that owns the Carolina Hurricanes.

Speaker 15 What's going on there in Portland?

Speaker 26 Well, the guy who owns the Hurricanes, that's in Raleigh. And the thought was that Portland could relocate, but they're not relocating to Raleigh.

Speaker 26 There's already a team in that area, and it's the Charlotte Hornets. So people in Portland can rest easy, but they've got a big situation with the new arena.

Speaker 26 There's going to be a lot of public money that's asked for to get a new arena there because their lease runs out in 2030. And they did something just recently.

Speaker 26 So the team was sold by Paul Allen's sister. who was running all the teams that Paul Allen owned after Paul croaked.
And you have the Trailblazers, the Seahawks, and the Seattle Sounders.

Speaker 26 And all these are going to be sold for the benefit of charity, but it's taken seven years. Like these charities are like, man, what? We need some cash.
What's going on here?

Speaker 26 Finally, though, the teams are being sold. And what happened is the guy from Carolina is going to be on a plane back and forth because that team's not leaving.
Portland anytime soon.

Speaker 26 And it has nothing to do with Lillard. It has nothing to do with Chris Dudley or Cliff Robinson, rest in peace.
But it does have to do with the fact that the NBA does not want any relocation.

Speaker 26 They want expansion. And you can't mess around with relocation when you're trying to get expansion fees.

Speaker 15 Man, I just,

Speaker 16 I'm taken aback how Paul Allen croaked. Yeah.

Speaker 13 Kicked the bucket. Well, harsh.

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Speaker 15 The word that you used for Uncle Cliffey. You said passed away.

Speaker 26 Well, I know Uncle Cliffey. I don't know Paul Allen.

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Speaker 17 No one else here is willing to do a Trump or a Biden.

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What do you mean?

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Speaker 15 David, the Milwaukee Brewers have won 12 in a row after yesterday afternoon's game. Like, is this a team that could wind up making a run in the postseason?

Speaker 26 It's going to be hard. It's going to be because they're peaking.
You can't peak in August. It's the worst plan.

Speaker 26 It's like sort of finishing everything like while you're still at the movie and you're like, well, wait a minute, we have a whole night ahead of us. You just don't want to do that.

Speaker 26 You want to time it right. I'd rather see which team's going to be hot toward the end of September, heading into October.

Speaker 26 And you really don't want to be the team that runs away with the best record because then you sort of lose that edge. But it's exciting.
Right now they're eating burgers. That's a giveaway.

Speaker 26 What would we do?

Speaker 26 What's a great guess in Miami if we would give away like a free empanada? Is that the equivalent? If the Marlins ever won 12 in a row? How many people would get online for a free empanada?

Speaker 26 Because in Milwaukee, what they're telling me is they like free stuff better than anybody in the country. And I said, that's not true.
Everybody likes free stuff.

Speaker 15 Stu Gotts, have you ever been at a game throughout your life and you have the ticket stub for the game that you were at where you get the free whatever, the free sandwich, free pizza, and then you actually go and use it?

Speaker 15 Never. No.
I've never done it. I've never done it either.

Speaker 15 Anyone here done that? You take, I mean, maybe I cash it in. After the Marlins game or after the Dolphins game, Dolphins win.
You go to Tootsie's, you got your tickets, free entry. That was a thing.

Speaker 15 Anyone ever use it? I've never done it before.

Speaker 21 So the Heat had a promo where I think if there was two missed free throws, you would get free Chick-fil-A, but they would send the app directly to the app.

Speaker 22 So I didn't have to have the ticket.

Speaker 21 Whatever. So it would be like, oh, somebody missed two free throws.
Heat, get free chicken sandwich. All you got to do is go to Chick-fil-A and show them this.

Speaker 10 And I was like, all right, perfect.

Speaker 23 They papa John's when the Heat win, 50%.

Speaker 23 All the time.

Speaker 3 Oh, you don't have to go anywhere.

Speaker 19 You could just order.

Speaker 23 Yeah, I didn't have to go anywhere.

Speaker 23 I would say probably the Pollo Tropical one where you have to like scan something and then go through all this trouble is probably the most effort I've ever put in through those.

Speaker 26 And it requires effort to get the free burgers. And these George Webb stores in Milwaukee, they're not really in the suburbs.
They're in the city of Milwaukee.

Speaker 26 And believe me, there are people lining up to get the free burgers because it's free burgers. You might as well.
But they're using a voucher system because the damn brewers keep winning 12 in a row.

Speaker 26 They did it in 1987. Then they did it in 2018.
And now they're doing it again in 2025. And George Webb did this sponsorship thinking that'll never happen.

Speaker 26 I'm pretty sure guys the Marlins have never won as a franchise 12 in a row. It's super hard to win 12 in a row.
Even the Yankees, I'd like to know when the last time they won 12 in a row.

Speaker 26 So it's not about wins and you know a franchise that you think is small payroll versus large payroll.

Speaker 26 But that George Webb, there's going to be a lot of people getting vouchers today and they're going to be eating free burgers.

Speaker 19 David, I found this story super interesting that Kansas University has received a $300 million donation from David Booth, who went to the University of Kansas.

Speaker 19 We're going to start seeing more and more of this in college sports, are we not?

Speaker 13 Panther Winger too. Paying a lot of money down in Australia, man.
Saltgrass Express.

Speaker 1 The Marlins are the only MLB franchise to never win 10 games in a row.

Speaker 13 Love it.

Speaker 10 David Booth, question.

Speaker 13 Back to you, David. Yes.

Speaker 26 I would just say that everyone who's talking about the rankings and the power four conferences, and I know, Mike, that means a lot in terms of Miami and all the conferences, but don't we agree that the conferences now and the the power of the team is just based on the power of the alum and the willingness of an alum to become a huge, huge donor?

Speaker 26 And I don't mean like a celebrity becoming the assistant GM of the team. I'm talking about finding someone who's willing to write a check.

Speaker 26 Because with 300 million and what they're pretending is happening in Kansas is that it's being used to refurbish an arena. It's being used for capital expenditures.

Speaker 26 But they're misleading you because that money would have come from the athletic department in the school.

Speaker 26 Now it's going to come from David Booth, which means the athletic department and the school has more money to spend on other things because dollars are fungible.

Speaker 26 So they don't want you to believe that this is something other than what it is, which is trying to buy greatness. And I'm all for it.

Speaker 26 If you have an alum who's wealthy and willing to give money, I think it's the biggest gift ever. And maybe they want to become like Texas Tech, where you just start.

Speaker 26 buying your way into success, but I assume that's what the NCA wanted.

Speaker 15 Here's what I don't understand, and Mike can probably help out a little bit here.

Speaker 15 Aren't we, like, I thought there were rulings this summer where there's going to be like a cap and only a certain amount of money that you're able to spend in the athletic department? Right.

Speaker 15 When is all that happening?

Speaker 10 That's a good question.

Speaker 15 Right? Like,

Speaker 13 I mean, it ain't happening now.

Speaker 26 It's not now.

Speaker 13 It ain't happening now.

Speaker 19 Without someone overseeing this.

Speaker 7 I mean, and also, you can make a gift to

Speaker 10 an institution and have it expressly not go to NIL. You're talking facilities.
I imagine.

Speaker 15 Well, he said $75 million of the $300 apparently is going toward renovation of the stadium, I think.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I think people are also viewing this through because of the business of college football. Keep in mind, they have a really great basketball program,

Speaker 10 rich in tradition that I imagine we'll get in that game.

Speaker 10 The cap is something that these institutions want to have in there because they want to limit the amount of money that these players can make, and it'll get challenged in court, and it'll probably lose unless the NCAA is given given full autonomy.

Speaker 10 And even then, these things can get challenged individually in courts. We're a long way from a solution, I think.

Speaker 26 But what's happening now, Mike, is that you have teams and you have presidents of teams and athletic directors who are trying to identify these alums who are willing to make life-changing generational-type gifts because it can change a program.

Speaker 26 And Kansas, you're right. I mean, from Danny Manning on down, from that's an old reference, which I apologize, but their basketball.

Speaker 13 It's the only reference

Speaker 19 I mean there's a lot and I think you're you're thinking small by thinking alums I know for a fact many of Miami's biggest supporters boosters donors they're not alums yeah but David is right if you're a school every school has successful alums right and so if you have one at your school who is willing to support and finance the athletic program you're in the game and that's it

Speaker 26 And that's the scary part, Stugatz, because what happens if all of a sudden you've got an alum from a school that's not in the Power Four conferences and that school becomes a juggernaut, not just for a season, but over the course and it builds on each other and it becomes a decades-long thing.

Speaker 26 That's what they're trying to do with Kansas for sure. They're trying to make the football program better like the basketball program.

Speaker 26 So it's a very bizarre thing what's going on with the house settlement, with all of the caps that are supposed to be in place and the players getting paid. Because it's all still a mess.

Speaker 26 And when things are messy, that's when people start maneuvering within the cracks and they start filling the holes of misinformation or lack of information with whatever it is they want to do.

Speaker 26 And that's why you're going to see a lot of disparate schools doing disparate things that some may say are nefarious. All of that is just starting, in my opinion, Mike.

Speaker 10 Hatred for the NCAA reaches across the aisle. If you look at some of the Justice Kavanaugh, Justice Thomas, they've ruled against the NCAA routinely.

Speaker 10 Now, we have top-to-bottom buy-in on the conservative side of the aisle. Now, unlike we've ever seen,

Speaker 10 I know the executive order out there, the so-called Trump Saves College Sports Executive Order, was a big nothing burger because it made things against the rules that were already against the rules.

Speaker 10 It was just, you know, some would call it a distraction. From what I don't know, seems to be a lot of those these days.

Speaker 22 But we'll see.

Speaker 10 When this thing gets to Congress and makes its way to the Supreme Court, when it inevitably gets challenged, it'll be curious to see because there is a lot of disdain for the NCAA.

Speaker 10 And unless people listen to marching orders from up top, which does happen with this president more than others,

Speaker 10 I don't see the NCAA really winning in the end. And if they do win, it'll be short-lived before we go to private equity Super League time.

Speaker 26 Private equity is something that the president has not gotten involved in in terms of private equity availability for money to buttress budgets of schools.

Speaker 26 And you've got athletic directors out there saying, nah, you know, we're not going to go the private equity route.

Speaker 26 Those are called famous last words because you pretty much go with whatever route you have to to balance your budget because every athletic director has to do that.

Speaker 26 And they want to compete because they want their own extensions and they want to get paid. So it really is a never-ending cycle of looking for more sources of money.
The pro leagues are already there.

Speaker 26 Private equity is needed to get these, like the Cowboys, a $12 billion valuation. Guess what?

Speaker 26 There is nobody who's going to write a $12 billion check to buy the Cowboys from Stephen Jones or whoever inherits inherits it from Jerry when Jerry croaks.

Speaker 26 But private equity will certainly be a part of that equation. And that's why the NFL, the NBA, MLB now is working through that.

Speaker 26 How to get your valuations higher and higher means you have to take private equity money.

Speaker 10 You mentioned Jerry Jones and when he croaks, I know you probably saw the story.

Speaker 13 He gets the croak treatment, right?

Speaker 22 Well, you saw it. He's been battling.

Speaker 4 He battled and conquered. He survived it.

Speaker 22 Stage four cancer, and he'd been battling with that for a decade. Not like Jerry Jones to be keeping a secret like that.

Speaker 28 So, I mean.

Speaker 26 It's an amazing thing, Mike. And I got, listen, I've had, we've all had cancer touch us.
That's why we stand up for cancer.

Speaker 26 And I, I, when I read that, I felt terribly for him because stage four cancer usually is sort of game over. And he was able to get into a trial and get medicine.

Speaker 26 But then he said in the same sort of time, you know, I like making news because that's what keeps people talking cowboys. We don't have to win anything.

Speaker 26 We just need people people talking about us and our valuation keeps going up up and up and then this came out now i am not i am not cancer shaming because he is a cancer survivor however i can tell you that it was surprising that he didn't talk about it because it's the perfect thing to talk about you get a little sympathy you get a little increase in the bump of your team like there's a few positives that could have come of it and he kept it very quiet until now i get what you're saying even though it sounds crass but in the last 10 years jerry jones has had some scandals that would have been softened by, you know, just volunteering this stage four cancer.

Speaker 19 He saved it for the Micah Parsons negotiations.

Speaker 13 Ace card there.

Speaker 26 Can you imagine Jerry Jones doing the math of when he should release the fact that he's got stage four cancer? He's like, wait a minute, I got Prescott right now.

Speaker 26 This is, this may be the time, but uh, these turkeys pulling behind the scenes.

Speaker 13 Yes.

Speaker 16 Now, Jerry,

Speaker 26 David, I decided to shoot the bullet now.

Speaker 15 David, I saw the Minnesota Twins. They put out a statement yesterday.
What's going on there with them selling or not selling the team?

Speaker 26 So that team's for sale like the Nationals are for sale, like the Angels are for sale, like the Marlins are for sale.

Speaker 26 Although the Marlins are for sale, but if someone came with a big price, everything's for sale.

Speaker 26 And the Twins were going to be bought by a guy named Justin Ishbia, who you may know as the brother of Matt Ishbia, who you may know as the not savior of the Phoenix Suns.

Speaker 26 And Justin Ishbia was ready to go. And then he said, Well, wait a minute.
I don't like Schleppen to Minnesota. I spend my time in Chicago.
Let's wait for Rheinsdorf to croak.

Speaker 26 So he ended up buying the White Sox from Rheinsdorf once Rheinsdorf dies. And so now there was no one to buy the Twins.

Speaker 26 So what the Polad family did, the owners of the Twins, is they said, here's what we're going to do.

Speaker 26 We're going to write a letter to our fans saying we thought about selling the team, but we have such passion. We love Minnesota and Minnesotans so much that we're not selling the team.

Speaker 26 That's because no one offered them the price they wanted. So that's an issue for the commissioner.

Speaker 26 He's got to get these teams sold because he's got to get valuations that like what the NBA are getting because they don't want to fall too far behind.

Speaker 26 They can't even see the NFL from here, but they got to get some of these teams that are for sale sold at good numbers.

Speaker 15 Stu Gotz, you notice no one blinked an eye when David used croaked for Jerry Reinsdorf.

Speaker 19 No, he deserves that, Jerry Reinstorf.

Speaker 15 Okay, it's harsh, but no one seemed to mind.

Speaker 26 I don't find Croaked to be pejorative. I find it to be an adjective.

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Speaker 19 David, are you surprised that the Celtics, the Lakers sold for $10 billion? I was kind of surprised to see the Celtics go for $6.1 billion.

Speaker 19 I thought it would be closer to $10.

Speaker 26 So the Celtics didn't go for 6.1 that, and I understand the mistake because it's been wrongly reported.

Speaker 26 The way the Celtics transaction is working is that there are several payments that are being made by the Chisholm group to Wick, who was the governor and is not going to be anymore, meaning he's selling the Celtics, but he's actually getting paid in installments.

Speaker 26 It's not a step transaction like A-Rod. It's installments.

Speaker 26 And the second installment is way bigger than the first from a valuation standpoint, which means the entirety of the team is worth well more than six.

Speaker 26 It was, you're going to find, and you're going to read this, just not today, that it's going to be north of seven.

Speaker 26 But still, that has the Lakers way above that, like a 40% higher than the Celtics valuation. And that's just either an overpay or an indication that L.A.

Speaker 26 is just a different world, that city of angels versus Boston.

Speaker 1 Croaked is a verb, not an adjective. Wow.

Speaker 23 Didn't see that coming. Unbelievable.

Speaker 15 Didn't see that coming.

Speaker 15 David, your response?

Speaker 26 It's an action verb to croak. I guess that's right.
I don't know why I said adjective. I'm wrong.
It's a verb. Thank you.

Speaker 23 Can we start a new category for Sue's greatest correction? Because that has got to be the leader in the clubhouse.

Speaker 13 It's a great one. Tough look for David.

Speaker 26 No, I got it wrong.

Speaker 1 Because it's me, David.

Speaker 19 But it's Chris Cody.

Speaker 26 Oh, is Chris not a grammarian?

Speaker 19 Well, it's Chris correcting you.

Speaker 13 I wanted to.

Speaker 17 He's a very grammarian.

Speaker 28 He's American. David, what happened on Nothing Personal with Andre Dawson?

Speaker 26 Well, I don't know if people are, I want people to watch your show. We're on DraftKings Network.

Speaker 26 Well, we just finished off DraftKings Network, but we recorded an interview with Andre Dawson live this morning, and I screwed up, Mike, because

Speaker 26 I didn't wait for Coca to tell me to start. And he would normally, he's just with, he's alone, so he has to figure out the camera and the angle.

Speaker 26 I did notice the angle is very much, very close to Andre's face, but I saw him pop up on the Zoom. So I just started talking to him.

Speaker 26 So Coca got super angry with me for prematurely starting the interview. But during the interview, which was live this morning at about eight o'clock,

Speaker 26 he said that he has resigned from baseball's hall of Fame. The hell does that mean?

Speaker 26 And he does not consider himself to be part of Cooperstown, the Baseball Hall of Fame, because of a dispute he's having with them. And

Speaker 26 I was shocked to hear that.

Speaker 15 I don't think he's in charge of that.

Speaker 26 What does that mean?

Speaker 15 Well, I mean, like, I love Andre Dawson.

Speaker 16 Once you're in the Hall of Fame, you're in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't think he makes the rules.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 26 So, but he can choose not to go back to Cooperstown, which he didn't. There were 52 Hall of Famers who went for Ichiro and Cece Sabathia and Dave Parker and Scott, etc.

Speaker 13 But no.

Speaker 15 Are they like a united group? Is that what like they're all upset about the same thing, those guys you just mentioned?

Speaker 26 No, Andre and Andre called those players to congratulate them, those who are alive, obviously. And what happened was that he didn't want to be in the Hall of Fame as an expo.

Speaker 26 He wanted to be in the Hall of Fame as a cub. And they didn't grant him his wish and they won't let him change it.

Speaker 26 And I didn't realize to what level the Hall of Fame had gone against Andre and how personal it had become against Andre. And he talked about it freely on the show.

Speaker 26 And then he talked about the fact that he got colluded against by Charles Bronfman, the owner of the Expos. And that's how he became a cub.
Except the Cubs didn't want him to be a cub.

Speaker 26 They were shocked when he said he would be a cub.

Speaker 26 And he told us this morning that he was only going to play for the Cubs or the Braves because he needed to play on grass because he couldn't play on turf for another second.

Speaker 13 Wow.

Speaker 15 Like that, man, I'm sorry to hear that because Andre Dawson waited so long to get that call.

Speaker 19 Well, he's still in the Hall of Fame Zach.

Speaker 15 No, he is. He is.
No, but it upsets me that he, A, that he's upset about something that took so long for him to rightfully be inducted into.

Speaker 15 And then on top of it, I mean, let's be honest here for a second. If he was so adamant about not going in an Expo's hat, the hell is a big deal.
Why can't they throw a Cubs hat on him?

Speaker 26 It's something that he explained in terms of how it works and that there were players involved on a committee, but then he spoke to players who said, yeah, that's not how it went down.

Speaker 26 So there is something going on. And I don't know if Pablo is going to find out.
I don't know if maybe I'll try to find out.

Speaker 26 But what we got from Andre was just this unbelievable conversation about his, and he's a very serious man, and he doesn't talk a lot.

Speaker 26 He talks with his actions way more than with his, you know, tonsils. And he just opened up.
and just started talking. And it's, it's a good episode.
It's today's second hour of nothing personal.

Speaker 13 All right.

Speaker 15 David, you got a movie for us.

Speaker 26 I do. Have you been watching Trainwrecked?

Speaker 26 No, no one's heard of it. Train Wrecked has different episodes.

Speaker 23 I watch things that have got it's a documentary series, right, of different stories, kind of like the Sports Untold one, just not sports related.

Speaker 26 Exactly. They did one called Train Wrecked Balloon Boy.

Speaker 26 And I don't know if you remember when a hot air balloon that was made by some guy in his backyard basically got untethered and was floating through the air. And there was a little boy in it.

Speaker 26 Like their son got stuck in the balloon, and it was this thing live on every channel. It was covered.
The balloon ran out of helium and then it landed in the desert.

Speaker 26 And there was no boy in the balloon. So people thought, Did he fall off? Did he fall out? Like, what happened? And it turns out the whole thing was a scam.
And they got, the parents got charged.

Speaker 26 They got charged because there were thousands, thousands of people and tons of money spent trying to get Balloon Boy safely down from like 7,000 feet.

Speaker 26 And it turns out it was all to get attention for this family. I didn't remember that part of the story.

Speaker 26 Spoiler alert, when you watch Trainwreck Balloon Boy, it turns out what people will do for fame is pretty shocking.

Speaker 26 This one will blow your mind. It's called Trainwrecked, and the episode of interest is called Balloon Boy.
It's well worth watching.

Speaker 1 This family was ahead of their time, man seriously exactly they were the kardashians before the kardashians isn't this the series with uh the duty cruise i watched that one the poop cruise oh that was great that was a great one yes train wreck the poop cruise where a cruise just loses power in the middle of the ocean and for like five days yes nobody can go to the bath like they can go to the bathroom but they can't flush so after about a day and a half that shit hit the fan

Speaker 26 I would have jumped overboard. I thought about it.
I watched that poop cruise.

Speaker 1 Oh, David, I I was thinking of you too. I was like, imagine David on this ship.

Speaker 26 I would have either called for a helicopter, I would have jumped overboard, I would have taken the lifeboat because they were just floating without power for days.

Speaker 26 And there was literally rivers of crap flowing through the hallways. Right.
And people were sleeping on deck. There were no showers.
There was no ability to cook food. They were out of food.

Speaker 1 The sad food lines.

Speaker 19 But David, if you jump off, you're choosing death over staying alive.

Speaker 26 I mean, I can swim.

Speaker 19 You can't swim that far. You can't jump off.

Speaker 13 I'm an Iron Man. Get out of here.

Speaker 23 You think that poop's not hitting the ocean, David? You think you're not swimming through some chunks while you're getting swimming?

Speaker 26 I got to feel good about the fact when I swim in the ocean that there's enough

Speaker 26 cubic yards or whatever it's called, however you measure water, that whatever's being dumped in by the cruise ships, it's being sort of spread around that I can swim in the ocean.

Speaker 23 By the way, we've basically ruined two of the train wreck documentaries. So if you want to see a good, and I'm not going to spoil it for you, a good cruise-related documentary.

Speaker 21 Oh, I know which one you're talking about. Very well.

Speaker 13 What would they say Bradley? The one the girl goes reading.

Speaker 23 Amy Bradley is missing.

Speaker 13 Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 3 I don't like that.

Speaker 15 It kind of freaks me out. Like, I saw the trailer for that, you know, and it, because it's a true story, it weirds me out.
She jumped.

Speaker 13 We don't know that. We don't know that.
No one knows. Spoiler.
That's what I say. Spoiler alert.

Speaker 17 Nobody knows anything. We don't know what happened.

Speaker 13 We know what that is.

Speaker 22 We know some good information.

Speaker 6 How'd that table get pushed up against the balcony?

Speaker 13 Again, don't spoil it.

Speaker 26 I'm only at episode one of Amy Bradley is missing. So I actually did not remember this story, and I don't know how it ends.

Speaker 26 But judging from the interviews from episode one with mom and dad, it appears she's not back yet. So I'm not exactly sure what next time.

Speaker 23 Now he's spoiling a duck that he hasn't even seen.

Speaker 3 What are we doing?

Speaker 15 Nothing personal. David Sampson, DraftKings Network, every morning, Monday through Friday, 8 a.m.
Eastern. That's the Lord's time zone.
Great job, David. Thanks, man.

Speaker 26 See ya.

Speaker 15 See you, David. Mike Ryan, if you had $300 million, would you donate it to the University of Miami?

Speaker 13 $300. I mean, donate the entirety of my $300 million.
No, no, no.

Speaker 19 You need to have a billion dollars.

Speaker 13 I donate $300 million

Speaker 13 more, probably.

Speaker 10 That's what I thought you said. But if I had $300 million, yeah, you can bet your bottom dollar that a lot of it's going on.

Speaker 15 Like, you don't have just $300 million in your bank account. No, you need money.
You're not going to give all your money away.

Speaker 17 You need to need a new car.

Speaker 15 But if you have $300 million that you could donate to something if you wanted, you would give it to UM?

Speaker 22 I would go to, well, UHealth, they have a lot of great medical facilities.

Speaker 10 And we've cut cancer research in this country. So I think that a good amount of that would go there too.
And that also benefits the athletics that I care deeply about.

Speaker 10 But a good amount would also go to the athletic department facilities.

Speaker 13 And, you know, Miami's a historical outlier.

Speaker 10 They don't have this big alumni base that they can tap into. They have 17,000 kids enrolled in the school right now.
That's peanuts peanuts compared to the likes of Ohio State.

Speaker 10 So Miami has to punch well above their weight class when it comes to resources.

Speaker 1 What do we name it after you?

Speaker 15 Yeah, you would want something.

Speaker 22 You want to name it after

Speaker 22 stuff already. Like, I have to clarify,

Speaker 10 it's been a bit of a pickle for your boy.

Speaker 15 My movie theater sells pickles, yo.

Speaker 23 I'm on it, by the way, for those who are wondering, bottom dollar originated in the mid-1800s to poker reference when you stack up your bet, that bottom one being the last of your money.

Speaker 23 That's where it comes from.

Speaker 13 What are you laughing at, Stugats? Just you.

Speaker 16 Whatever that reference was.

Speaker 15 Stugats,

Speaker 3 you donated 300 million.

Speaker 13 All the cancer.

Speaker 15 No, to cancer research.

Speaker 16 All the cancer research.

Speaker 15 Yeah, you say you want to give it to cancer. That's your mistake, Stu.

Speaker 23 You've been giving it to cancer this whole time. That's why cancer's been winning the battle.

Speaker 15 That's why we're still in the midst of this fight.

Speaker 10 Damn it, it's my fault.

Speaker 3 You got to read the fine prints.

Speaker 19 I'm to blame for cancer.

Speaker 13 What an asshole.

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