Hour 1: With One Eye Open

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Speaker 16 This is the Don Labatar Show with the Stu Gats Podcast.

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Speaker 16 A lot going on around the National Football League. Tony, can you help us out here? We got some headlines.
What is going on around the league?

Speaker 19 Zaz, we have a massive deal done in Western New York. James Cook, four years, $48 million for running back James Cook.

Speaker 19 Obviously, if you've been watching Hard Knocks, you know that he was in a hold in, right?

Speaker 7 Not a holdout, hold in.

Speaker 16 If I can interrupt you for one second, can we kick in some NFL music?

Speaker 16 Because that means this is serious business like if nfl music is playing then we know stop what you're doing and pay attention to what is being said so let's let's get an important note that is a good note everyone knows that right producing zaz if you're listening to something you hear the music oh my god like this is serious stuff

Speaker 12 tony rump Thank you.

Speaker 7 Well, not that one.

Speaker 12 Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 24 I'm also really impressed by the geography there of knowing it's Western New York.

Speaker 19 I had no idea. But they always say it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Western New York.

Speaker 23 Yeah, I know. You watched Hard Knocks New York.

Speaker 25 I'm also locked in on Hard Knox, yeah.

Speaker 18 I forgot it was on last night.

Speaker 16 That first, and you know why I forgot it was on last night? That first episode was a bore.

Speaker 7 Was a bad bill. And good.

Speaker 16 You hate the bills. And I hate the bills.
And I don't, like, I don't want, I know what's going to happen, Greg.

Speaker 16 They're going to make Josh Allen into this, like, he's a cool guy.

Speaker 3 He's a good guy. They did.
They have.

Speaker 23 They have.

Speaker 16 And I don't want to like Josh Allen.

Speaker 16 I hate the Bills. I don't want to like him.

Speaker 17 I feel like the whole Hard Knocks franchise is on fumes. And I've thought this for years.
It was an innovative idea. It had its run.

Speaker 7 I don't watch it anymore.

Speaker 12 You want to take a sip of your emotional coffee?

Speaker 16 You want to take a sip of your water?

Speaker 2 It's just not what he used to say, man.

Speaker 17 You know, I am getting emotional talking about it.

Speaker 26 I'm just thinking about Bobby Scipio right now.

Speaker 28 I still don't understand why your wife's ex-boyfriend was sleeping over your house.

Speaker 17 It's a long story. Am I the only one who doesn't like hard knocks anymore? I'm not riveted to it.

Speaker 29 No, I before. I don't trust it.

Speaker 17 I don't trust that

Speaker 17 it's 24-hour access, that it's going to be a tell-all.

Speaker 7 Chris.

Speaker 17 That it's going to do...

Speaker 20 Chris, not this one either? No, this is a useless salmon.

Speaker 7 What was that music?

Speaker 7 Useless sound montage.

Speaker 31 Useless sound montage. You can find.

Speaker 7 All right.

Speaker 33 You played the two that you can't.

Speaker 34 Find literally any other one.

Speaker 17 Oh, that's better.

Speaker 7 Yes. Hank.
Okay. That's what I'm talking about.
All right. Yes.
That works.

Speaker 20 Speaking of what you were talking about.

Speaker 17 Oh, I'm so into the music. No, I'm done with it.
I don't trust it. I don't think it's going to be edited.

Speaker 35 Well, you don't trust it.

Speaker 36 Like, you think they're lying to you?

Speaker 17 I think that they're showing us only as much of what really goes on as they want. You know,

Speaker 17 if Josh Allen says anything or does anything that's embarrassing after the fact, they're going to say, no, no, no, no, edit that out.

Speaker 17 I just don't think it's as revealing as it pretends to be.

Speaker 1 They did show Vanta Davis like sobbing, asking for his grandma after being traded.

Speaker 17 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 I mean, everyone's a bad guy.

Speaker 1 That was also 15 years ago.

Speaker 7 Yeah,

Speaker 17 every once in a while you get a moment, but it's almost like a two dolphins hard knocks ago.

Speaker 21 Yeah, it's just rest in peace, Vante Davis.

Speaker 17 Just give me the games, you know.

Speaker 7 I don't want to see that background.

Speaker 17 I don't want to see the sausages made. You know, I love driving a sports car.
I don't want to see the car assembled at the plant. You know what I mean?

Speaker 17 I want to watch a football game.

Speaker 7 I think that most people that have sports cars are the opposite.

Speaker 2 Like, they're really into the sports cars and all the nooks and crannies of their sports cars.

Speaker 7 Oh.

Speaker 17 you know that kind of thing yeah that kind of thing yeah no you're right he's right

Speaker 19 tony let's go the hard the hard knocks thing it's i i get what you're saying they're trying to make josh allen these he's the mvp i don't want to like a player they're making him super likable he's got this wife he's already got hailstein fashion he's a superstar in hollywood and it's like what else can the guy have okay he's got everything right well what is he missing oh he's got a good he turned out more money he was like turned out more money i'll take a little bit less so the other people can enough i mean what is she done after pitch perfect whoa so just

Speaker 3 an overrated movie. Anyways,

Speaker 19 this weekend's episode of Hard Knocks. Nice.

Speaker 19 The problem is, Zaz, you got the stars are obviously the lower tier guys trying to make the roster, trying to fight for a spot so you get enamored with their story.

Speaker 19 You got like KJ Hamler, who's been fun. You got the little scooter.
I don't know if you've been watching that. Joanne Dreessen, Buffalo Joe.
Been a fun little thing.

Speaker 19 They actually gave a shout out to the Bustin on the Boys pod. They were on this episode of Hard Knocks.
And to make Josh Allen feel even better and seem seem even better

Speaker 19 I think it was Taylor LeWan's like yeah I've got a little ranch you know 13 acres whatever and Josh is like yeah I've got a place out in central California it's 1500 acres but I don't know

Speaker 19 whatever hate that thing and it's like oh sorry dude you're 1500 acres and all this money and you're just cool guy everything's cool but major plot line James Cook now paid I don't think they hit on that at all in episode one kind of feels like an important thing when you're top running back with 16 episode two they dive into it okay brandon bean's like yeah he's doing a hold in not a hold out so he's in meetings or whatever and you kind of see him like there and then he'll just like fade out of screen and you're like oh where'd he go oh he's he's not in the meeting anymore is sean mcdermott the most boring coach in the nfl pretty boring visually he is

Speaker 19 just boring guy you know he's a nice guy been a hard worker western new york lunch pill type of guy

Speaker 16 So James Cook signed a deal.

Speaker 19 Same James Cook. Same deal, I think, that Kyron Williams got.
Okay. Four for 48.
All right.

Speaker 5 Big deal there.

Speaker 19 So, on a couple more headlines.

Speaker 2 He's from Nebraska, by the way, not Western New York.

Speaker 19 But he's in Western New York.

Speaker 7 He's an Omaha man.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 19 Once an Omaha man, always an Omaha man. Jordan Love sneakily had a procedure on his left thumb, had surgery on his left thumb, and we're trying to figure out if he's going to be ready for week one.

Speaker 19 They say he is, but again, injuries linger.

Speaker 16 I got to tell you, I'm out on this, Jordan Love.

Speaker 39 Really?

Speaker 22 Yeah, really? Why? Yeah, really.

Speaker 7 Why?

Speaker 16 Well, you know, he had eight good games, and they're like, here's all the money. You know, Tua Tonga by Loa gets all the, in the same offseason when they both got paid.
Tua gets all this criticism.

Speaker 16 We don't know if he's worth it.

Speaker 16 You saw eight games of Jordan Love, and nobody questioned it. And then the very next year, last year, he won that gray last year.

Speaker 7 I agree with you.

Speaker 17 I think he's got a lot to prove with that contract.

Speaker 7 Whoa, whoa, whoa. This room does not agree.

Speaker 23 He won a playoff game.

Speaker 7 I understand. I know.

Speaker 8 That's a lot more.

Speaker 34 You compared him to Tua.

Speaker 20 Tua, just make the playoffs.

Speaker 7 51. Ah, playoff game.
Great.

Speaker 16 He has one more playoff win than Tua.

Speaker 1 You say no to that trade, though?

Speaker 7 One and all the road.

Speaker 16 Jordan Love or Tua?

Speaker 7 Yeah, like just heads up, you do that if you're the Dolphins. Nope.

Speaker 11 Oh, I would do it. No.

Speaker 16 I mean, Tua's resume overall

Speaker 16 is better than Jordan Love.

Speaker 19 If you add in collegiate, yeah.

Speaker 18 No, I'm not adding in collegiate.

Speaker 29 You're saying just NFL resume.

Speaker 8 He's going with my eyes.

Speaker 8 My eyes.

Speaker 37 I would go Jordan Love.

Speaker 26 In terms of passing yards, Tua's probably got him beaten.

Speaker 31 I mean, Tua did have a monster season.

Speaker 2 Well, according to every stat, he would have have him beat I mean Jordan Love has been a starting quarterback for two years in the league yeah I think Tua is better than Jordan Love I think everyone else though would take Jordan Love over Tua like outside of Miami I don't think there's a question if you're given the two all right and they did play as mentioned earlier wolf didn't go well

Speaker 19 Tony what else you got Jordan love haven't seen Najee Harris remember he had a firework accident July 4th oh yeah is he like a cyclops now we haven't seen him

Speaker 19 his eye I don't know what happened there say there was a it was a facial image too.

Speaker 2 You didn't hear that? He got shot in the eye with a firework?

Speaker 16 Something happened. He's a cyclops now.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we don't know exactly what happened.

Speaker 26 He doesn't know how many eyes he has.

Speaker 17 He was blinded?

Speaker 7 I don't know, blinded, but they've been really damaged to the toy about what the injury is.

Speaker 12 They have.

Speaker 16 All we know is I think Drew Rosenhaus said that it's a, what's it called?

Speaker 19 Superficial. Yes.
It's a superficial eye injury.

Speaker 3 Meanwhile, we haven't seen him yet.

Speaker 2 There's something about Drew, man. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 7 It's magical. Yeah.

Speaker 41 Just to be clear, Jordan Love, because of Tua's injuries, had a much better season than Tua last year.

Speaker 16 He has one year.

Speaker 16 Tua's been a starter in this league for four plus years.

Speaker 38 I mean, I'd say that this is off to a fairly consistent start for Jordan Love as a starter, and we still have questions about Tua.

Speaker 34 Jordan Love wasn't...

Speaker 16 That's my whole point. Jordan Love was nothing special last year, and no one's...
Everyone's on board with Jordan Love being this franchise quarterback.

Speaker 16 And there's still a million questions about Tua. Rightfully so, by the way.
Like, it's totally, it's totally sensible

Speaker 16 to question Tua. But Jordan Love, oh, we're all convinced.

Speaker 3 We're convinced. He's the guy.

Speaker 27 You know how this is going to land.

Speaker 15 You're the anti-Jordan Love guy now.

Speaker 12 I don't care.

Speaker 12 Whatever.

Speaker 8 Magnation is going to be all up on him.

Speaker 17 Come at me. You know who's in that same category as Jordan Love? He's the guy who everybody thinks is great, Justin Herbert.
What has Justin Herbert done? He is overrated.

Speaker 2 He looks really good as a quarterback. He's fallen off a little bit.

Speaker 8 Terrificly. I think.

Speaker 2 In big year, coming years. Yeah, he's fallen off.

Speaker 17 Well, he has, but like for me i think tua is just as good as is so you would say no to that trade too you guys are i don't even take crazy pills in there many people wouldn't say that if you can tell me tua makes the pro bowl his only season uh of complete health if you can tell me tua stays healthy i think he's a top 10 quarterback in the league herbert has appeared in two playoff games 0-2 and not just 0-2 but embarrassing losses in both of them.

Speaker 16 The first one blew a 27-0.

Speaker 19 I was there. I was in person.

Speaker 45 How was that?

Speaker 15 Big game.

Speaker 7 Oh, I lost so much. That screwed me out of so much behind.

Speaker 3 We won big time there.

Speaker 16 Can you imagine?

Speaker 7 What will the response mean?

Speaker 16 If Tua blew a 27-0 lead in the playoffs, they throw him at the league.

Speaker 11 All right.

Speaker 16 Justin Herbert, that was his first playoff game. And Justin Herbert's second playoff game last year, he had three interceptions all of the regular season.

Speaker 16 Guess how many interceptions he had in the playoff game last year? And if you go under three and a half, you're a loser.

Speaker 24 Zaz Skyler Thompson has has more career postseason passing yards than Tua.

Speaker 24 Hmm.

Speaker 16 I don't know what to do with that information.

Speaker 7 It's a weird set.

Speaker 1 Because it doesn't help your Tua narrative.

Speaker 16 Well, look, no, I'm not trying to tell you that Tua is definitely this franchise quarterback. The point I'm making is I don't understand why guys like Jordan Love were convinced that they are.

Speaker 1 Because I see Jordan Love move out of the pocket and I'm like, okay. Decent.

Speaker 2 When Tua does it, I go, oh, no!

Speaker 1 That's fair. That's one.
That's one reason.

Speaker 20 That's fair.

Speaker 1 Everything has to go perfect for Tua.

Speaker 26 Like, these other guys, they can kind of, you know,

Speaker 1 make a good play out of a bad play.

Speaker 19 They can color outside the lines a little bit more than Tua can.

Speaker 15 That's what I was looking at.

Speaker 19 Which is, if Tua starts coloring outside of the lines, we've seen what happens, and it's not always good.

Speaker 2 I think what Zazzo's saying is when he colors inside the lines, he's so much better.

Speaker 7 He's great colors.

Speaker 19 He's inside the lines, yeah.

Speaker 2 When he colors outside the lines, it's like another book that he's coloring where these guys, when they color outside the lines, you're like, oh, come on, sweetie, just a little bit over more.

Speaker 2 Like, don't do so much of the zigzag. Just, you know, try to follow the line.

Speaker 17 Well, the one thing I think we can all agree on, and I think Dolphin fans feel this way, it was the same with Ryan Tannehill. You went seven years with Tannehill going, is he good?

Speaker 17 How good is he? And it's the same with Tua. Halfway through his NFL career almost, largely for health reasons, you're going, is Tua that good?

Speaker 12 Is he all that?

Speaker 44 Can we win with Tua?

Speaker 35 So

Speaker 1 the pocket stuff has nothing to do with health, though. Like, he's just bad out of the pocket.

Speaker 17 Well, but that.

Speaker 1 You see Jaden Daniels, you see Josh Allen. Josh Allen, when he's out of the pocket, good golly.

Speaker 19 It's pretty.

Speaker 17 Okay, but they don't want him out of the pocket because they don't want him sacked and get another cut.

Speaker 1 That's the game, though. You got to be able to do that stuff.

Speaker 7 Well,

Speaker 7 he's limited.

Speaker 1 That's what, like, when, yes, when Tua has a perfect three-step drop, yes, he's accurate. Like, no one denies that.

Speaker 3 But that's not how football works. Right.

Speaker 2 Did anyone overestimate their value more than Ryan Tannehill thinking like, oh, I went from like, you know, I was on like a playoff team a couple years ago to like, you know what, I'm, I'm only gonna, I'm only gonna sign with a team that's in contention.

Speaker 7 He's waiting for the right situation. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And he's gonna keep waiting.

Speaker 46 Like, just go back up, Patrick.

Speaker 16 You notice he was not in retired or not retired.

Speaker 47 Well, because he still thinks that someone's gonna come calling us like, oh, you know, Ryan, we have this ready-made playoff team and just, we need a driver, and it's you.

Speaker 2 That's not gonna happen, Ryan Tannehill. Sign elsewhere right now.

Speaker 17 Tannehill would have been great for retired or not retired, but he's also a good example of how sometimes you don't retire, the NFL retires you because they don't want you anymore.

Speaker 3 Different game, though.

Speaker 2 Someone would 100% take Ryan Tannehill as a backup today, but he wants to be a starter on a team in contention.

Speaker 2 Like when the Steelers don't have a quarterback and they're not calling you because they're waiting around for Aaron Rodgers, like that's a sign, buddy.

Speaker 2 You're not going to get a starting call right now.

Speaker 23 Just take a backup job.

Speaker 2 Hope that your quarterback gets injured.

Speaker 19 Sign with a team where the quarterback's going to get hurt. And then in two years, you'll be a starter again.

Speaker 17 And frankly, if I would rather have in Miami backing up Tua, I would rather have Tannehill than Zach Wilson. I don't think I'm alone there.

Speaker 7 Tannehill

Speaker 7 bring him back just because of that.

Speaker 2 They don't want that problem for Tua. Tua, like, with the backup situation, I don't know this, but part of it is kind of like they need a backup that's

Speaker 2 not going to be a threat to them.

Speaker 12 That none of the fans want to.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like they need ⁇ they've been doing a bad job going too far.

Speaker 2 They've been going too far in the opposite direction where it's like, okay, this person's not a threat at all. And also, this person seems incompetent in filling in this role situation because

Speaker 2 none of his backups have been good with this system, right?

Speaker 7 Quinn Urs was bad.

Speaker 37 That was not this system. It's not as bad.

Speaker 2 He was everybody's making himself.

Speaker 7 In the preseason game, he was terrible.

Speaker 6 No, he wasn't. He was hitting people in the hands.

Speaker 2 They were dropping passes.

Speaker 16 Yeah, I don't think he was that bad.

Speaker 39 He wasn't terrible.

Speaker 7 No, he lost two fumbles.

Speaker 26 That was not good.

Speaker 16 Yeah, one of them was on sack on fourth down.

Speaker 7 He was possessed anyway.

Speaker 19 All right. Bad game for Quinn Euros.

Speaker 4 If you're looking for the most optimistic spin you could possibly have for Tua in his career, if you're looking at a guy who isn't necessarily known for being out of the pocket, was considered undersized,

Speaker 17 accurate thrower. Oh, I know where you're going.

Speaker 4 First four seasons as a starter, only starts one playoff game, loses that game,

Speaker 7 Drew Brees. There it is.

Speaker 4 The rest of his career escalates from there, and he goes down as one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.

Speaker 4 That's not saying that's what Tua is going to be, but over the course of the first five seasons, Owen won in the playoffs, really accurate passer.

Speaker 4 Theoretically, it can go better from here.

Speaker 24 The difference being it took Drew Brees changing franchises and going from then San Diego to New Orleans.

Speaker 18 I'm going to go on the record.

Speaker 16 Sometimes you got to go on the record. I'm going to go on the record here because I'm talking about Jordan Love.

Speaker 16 Green Bay Packers this year.

Speaker 16 Last in the NFC North.

Speaker 11 Behind the Bears?

Speaker 7 On the record. Behind him.

Speaker 11 On the record.

Speaker 16 Yeah, if I said last, that would be behind the Bears.

Speaker 7 You heard it.

Speaker 7 Behind the Bears.

Speaker 1 Remember, they're in that division.

Speaker 26 This has potential.

Speaker 38 It has real potential to be an embarrassing look for you.

Speaker 26 I cannot wait for this audio. In the NFC North.

Speaker 7 I cannot wait for this audio.

Speaker 2 There's one way that it does it if they're actually last in the North.

Speaker 23 That's right.

Speaker 25 That's right.

Speaker 15 I hope Jordan Love wins MVP. In fact, I'm putting in.

Speaker 17 That's not a terrible prediction. Because if Caleb Williams has a much better season, which he will, the Bears have a very good chance to be appreciative.

Speaker 20 How do you like your ally?

Speaker 16 I mean, it's not what I was hoping for, but we'll see. Remains to be seen.

Speaker 47 You hate him so much.

Speaker 16 I don't know what i'm just speaking truth that's all it is it's not about hate you know it's you're a hater it's basically just are the bears gonna be better than the packers is kayla williams going to be better than jordan love is basically what the jordan made over here that's right i'm not sitting here telling you two i'm not sitting here telling you the packers win three games maybe the packers win eight games last in the nc north that's what i'm saying tony go ahead getting back to najee harris superficial eye andrew for july 4th the fireworks back in practice back doing drills back running again so good to see is he wearing a patch

Speaker 19 we don't don't know if he's wearing a patch or not.

Speaker 3 Like a pirate? You have to wear a patch.

Speaker 19 He's probably wearing a visor, so nobody kind of gets in there with a hand, but I don't think a patch is working for him.

Speaker 16 Dude, that's a dirty move because, like, a lot of things happen in the bottom of a file for a running back. You think someone's going to try and poke him?

Speaker 19 You got to get the Willis McGahy all-black. You remember when you used to play for the Ravens? He had the all-black visor?

Speaker 25 Wow, look at that. How did they not ban that?

Speaker 45 I think they did.

Speaker 3 Did they? I think they might have.

Speaker 16 You have to have a prescription.

Speaker 25 They've banned everything that's going to be. What if you got one eye?

Speaker 22 I feel like they can make it half.

Speaker 16 That's a disability. I feel like.
Yeah, I think Billy's Billy's right. You have half a visor.

Speaker 1 Now you have to supply your own visor.

Speaker 21 Can't be good for a running back to have one exalted.

Speaker 19 You can't play running back with one eye, right? You got to play with two.

Speaker 25 I don't know.

Speaker 2 You sleep with one eye open, and that's a good thing.

Speaker 19 Maybe

Speaker 19 trying to hit the hole. You got to see both eyes.

Speaker 7 Do you do anything else with one eye open?

Speaker 16 Hey, yeah, like when you're doing archery, skeet shooting, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 7 skeeting.

Speaker 46 Yeah. Any other headlines, Tony?

Speaker 7 A couple of

Speaker 19 tertiary headlines here.

Speaker 37 Tyrod Taylor.

Speaker 25 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 19 Tyrod Taylor has surgery. He's done for the preseason.
And Rondell Moore, season ends again on a knee injury

Speaker 19 with the Vikings.

Speaker 7 I think we've tapped all the injuries.

Speaker 16 Nobody cares about it.

Speaker 37 No, I care about Rondello.

Speaker 11 I care about Rondell Moore.

Speaker 31 Remember that college game day piece that they did on Purdue and the cancer situation?

Speaker 12 Rondell Moore had a hell of a game.

Speaker 21 Purdue is America's team for one brief night, and Urban Meyer had to wear that.

Speaker 16 Good job, Tony. Yep, good job, Tyler.

Speaker 7 And those are Tony's NFL.

Speaker 19 Just filling you in on what's going on around the league, just in case you're like, where's Rondell Moore? He was a Viking. Now he's done.

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Speaker 16 Tonight, tonight is this new Heights, right? Tonight's this New Heights episode with the Kelsey brothers that Taylor Swift talking about this for like 36 hours now. That's happening tonight, right?

Speaker 16 Is that going to be, like, is this going to be like the most listened to podcast ever? I mean, I, like,

Speaker 16 like, when I say that, it sounds like a stupid thing to say, but I don't know. It feels like maybe it's going to be like this massive, massive listen.

Speaker 17 listener they already jumped up in the podcast charts to number one just off the news like they were five or six like not that I track these things but yeah yesterday they they shot skyrocketed up before it even came out and and the timing is not coincidental Taylor Swift just announced that she's got a brand new album coming out there you go dad nothing gets by you the album is going to be number one for several weeks it it's a guarantee and and she could be on for 10 seconds and say nothing and just the fact that they can advertise her being on is going to make this just.

Speaker 2 You really got your thumb on the pulse of this story.

Speaker 17 Well, I mean, what am I missing?

Speaker 16 No, he knows. It's not a coincidence that, you know, she's coming on at the same time.
The timing is, she also happens to be, you know, coming out with an album.

Speaker 12 I don't know. Makes sense.

Speaker 37 Yeah. Are you guys going to listen to this episode?

Speaker 17 No, no, no. I might.

Speaker 7 I might. Yeah.

Speaker 11 How?

Speaker 7 I'm a Swifty. I'm a Closet Swifty.
Are you? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Wow.

Speaker 8 Is it coming out here?

Speaker 1 Name three of her songs.

Speaker 17 I don't want to take a quiz, but I admire her. I think she's a great businesswoman.
I like her music. I think she's very talented.

Speaker 2 On the list of things that you admire about her, what is the power ranking? Because you said that businesswoman was the first thing that you did, and then you said, I got to like her music.

Speaker 17 I mean,

Speaker 17 she had all that stuff with her where she lost the rights to her music for a while. She made the most of that.
She's a billionaire,

Speaker 17 which isn't usual in the music industry. She sort of has traversed from a country type feel to very much a pop feel.
So she's genre bending.

Speaker 17 I just think she's very admirable. Yeah.

Speaker 45 Did you see on her tour, she gave like the truck drivers like a bonus of like $100,000 stuff?

Speaker 7 Very tailored. Very tailored.
It's very tailored.

Speaker 41 I feel like if we asked ChatGPT about this Taylor story, we would have gotten everything my dad just said.

Speaker 7 You're very critical today. Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's today.

Speaker 41 I'm glad you chastise him.

Speaker 31 This is the one episode in sports content history that everyone's looking forward to that you actually don't have to listen to if you're in media and you'll know everything that happens on this episode because everything's going to get clipped.

Speaker 26 Every single thing, everything that she says, you will know.

Speaker 15 You don't actually have to download this episode.

Speaker 16 Now, is it going to be like an in-studio appearance or is she going to be on her own separate Zoom? She's with.

Speaker 38 She's next to Travis.

Speaker 1 Yeah, in the clip, she's next to Travis.

Speaker 37 It would have been great if she was with Jason and Travis was available via Zoom.

Speaker 16 So if she's going to be with Travis, it'll be a little bit like when you were sitting on the same side of the booth with your wife then.

Speaker 17 That's a very good point by you.

Speaker 7 They're just going to see each other like that.

Speaker 8 Just like that.

Speaker 2 You are the original Travis and Taylor.

Speaker 17 You know what? Mexico guys.

Speaker 2 Just a bunch of hut sluts, whatever it's called.

Speaker 17 It's a love story. Probably my favorite song of hers.
Now that I think of it. Wow.
Just popped into my mind.

Speaker 12 That was good.

Speaker 35 That was impressive.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm not criticizing that.

Speaker 46 That was good. That was impressive.
Wow, folks.

Speaker 16 Okay, so that's interesting that you say that because it reminds me. I want to talk about a couple shows on TV right now.

Speaker 16 And I'm reminded of The Bear because that song was in the television show, The Bear. I'm watching The Bear Season 4 right now.
Has anyone watched it? Has anyone finished season two?

Speaker 27 How did you make it to a fourth season of that?

Speaker 12 Oh, you bailed on it?

Speaker 43 Yes.

Speaker 16 Season three was not good.

Speaker 20 I bailed after two.

Speaker 19 I heard season three was out of the way.

Speaker 31 It was halfway through season two.

Speaker 27 I'm like, I get it.

Speaker 13 Really?

Speaker 7 I'm the only one that still went to the bottom.

Speaker 43 There's a lot that goes into making a sandwich.

Speaker 6 I'm good.

Speaker 1 It's not that intense. I've worked in a restaurant.

Speaker 7 Wow, I'm only. We get it.
You're out of fries. I'm the only one.

Speaker 17 I'm still hanging on to the bear, but I will say this. What's ludicrous to me is they classify that as a comedy.
The last season was

Speaker 17 some of the darkest

Speaker 17 show on TV. It was depressing.

Speaker 17 It was somber.

Speaker 43 Pumper nickel shortage or something.

Speaker 7 Crazy.

Speaker 13 That's not. Cousin Chef.

Speaker 35 I got it.

Speaker 37 Yes, Chef. Yes, Chef, yes, Chef.

Speaker 13 Behind.

Speaker 16 Wow, I can't believe you guys are all out on the bear. So I'm, I think, seven episodes through season four.

Speaker 12 I'll probably finish.

Speaker 31 How many of the episodes do they have a stressful situation in the kitchen of those that you've seen?

Speaker 16 I'll be honest with you, this season four so far, I don't think there's been any stressful situations in the kitchen.

Speaker 15 I might come back then.

Speaker 43 Is there actual character development, or is that not a thing they pay attention to either?

Speaker 16 I think season four, it's back. Like, season three was not great.
It wasn't what the first couple seasons were. I feel like they're back with me.

Speaker 31 I don't know what back means for that show.

Speaker 16 It's just not for me. It means it's good again.

Speaker 8 No, it's just not for me.

Speaker 16 All right, that's fine.

Speaker 17 Give it another chance.

Speaker 17 Remember the promise of the first year and give it another chance.

Speaker 18 The acting is so good in this show.

Speaker 23 I do like the actors.

Speaker 43 I do like the actors. And I will say, like, the first couple.

Speaker 34 The first couple episodes were gripping.

Speaker 7 Oh,

Speaker 47 I was into it.

Speaker 44 I'm like, I think I really like this show.

Speaker 35 And then towards like the end of the first season, I'm like, all right, that's a good start off point.

Speaker 43 And then, like, I saw the first four episodes of season two.

Speaker 6 I'm like, all right, so it's just the same thing.

Speaker 16 So you never even got to the fishes episode in season two? That's the Christmas episode. What?

Speaker 38 They had a fish special?

Speaker 16 Seven fishes? Christmas? You never got to the Christmas episode?

Speaker 42 Oh my god.

Speaker 7 Why is it called the bear?

Speaker 37 That's a restaurant? Well, and

Speaker 16 the family is named Bears Auto.

Speaker 2 Oh, so like the rat.

Speaker 7 All right. Yeah.
Rat Skeleton. I'm not.

Speaker 23 I apologize, Skeletal.

Speaker 7 Art is subjective.

Speaker 15 Those people actually, the actors do a really great job on that show, and a lot of people like it.

Speaker 21 I'm the weirdo.

Speaker 39 I like it a lot. You're fine.

Speaker 16 But there's another show that just debuted last night, which I've been looking forward to.

Speaker 16 It's coming out, I guess, every single week, but a double-episode premiere came out yesterday.

Speaker 16 I haven't watched it yet, but I'm going to watch it really soon because me and my boys are looking forward to it. There's a new Alien.

Speaker 43 Oh, dude, the reviews for this are sick.

Speaker 16 Very, very high scores, right? Alien Earth.

Speaker 38 I love the alien franchise.

Speaker 34 Me too.

Speaker 32 I thought Romulus was my favorite movie.

Speaker 7 Romulus is an excellent movie.

Speaker 30 That was my favorite movie that got away from it.

Speaker 16 That's a proper alien movie.

Speaker 12 Alien Romulus. That's a great alien movie.

Speaker 43 And I'm ratcheted up expectations for this show.

Speaker 16 This Alien Earth, I saw the IMDb scores. They're like in the nines.

Speaker 7 You know who's in this show?

Speaker 41 Who?

Speaker 7 Timothy Oliphant.

Speaker 16 Oh, yeah. He's got like white hair.

Speaker 38 I love that dude.

Speaker 26 He's really good.

Speaker 23 Who's the guy that he looks like?

Speaker 30 Timothy Oliphant looks like another guy.

Speaker 16 Yeah, Josh DeMel.

Speaker 20 No, that's who it is.

Speaker 7 And they both get kind of confused for each other.

Speaker 27 You ever watch Justified?

Speaker 48 Goggins is in that one. Yep.

Speaker 16 Is Goggins in Alien Earth?

Speaker 15 No, he wouldn't make a great android, though.

Speaker 21 No, that's stupid. I don't know.

Speaker 16 Yeah, so no one has seen it yet. This Alien Earth.
It just

Speaker 19 brings me. So we've got the original Alien movie.

Speaker 16 Yeah. Well, there's a bunch of them, yeah.

Speaker 19 But like, there's the original one, and then all the other ones are playing off of this one. So, like, where are we in the timeline of this?

Speaker 16 I don't know, because I haven't watched the show yet last night. But, for instance, like, Alien Romulus, which came out last year, takes place between Alien and Aliens.
Yeah.

Speaker 26 This is, but this TV series, in terms of timeline,

Speaker 31 second earliest on the timeline behind Prometheus, because Prometheus, well, I guess Prometheus had a sequel.

Speaker 27 So those first two are first in the timeline.

Speaker 37 This happens before Ripley, I believe.

Speaker 7 Oh, okay. All right.

Speaker 16 All right. So this is, well, it's not in the past.
It's in our past, but it's in the future because the alien universe.

Speaker 42 It's in the cinematic timeline past, but in our future here, because it hasn't happened yet.

Speaker 16 Do you understand how time works, Billy?

Speaker 2 I understand how time works. Usually there's a past and there's a future, but this you're saying is both.

Speaker 16 Yeah. Yeah, well, it's our past.
The original alien is our past because that movie came out in the late 70s, but it's it takes place in the future because it's in like the year 2300.

Speaker 2 That's a problem is that we're quickly getting to the future of the past.

Speaker 2 I mean, we are in the future of the past, but you know, we now are living in times that in cinema of yonder year, this was the future.

Speaker 2 And to be honest with you, kind of disappointing. We haven't really made as much of the future as they were anticipating.

Speaker 42 I saw something on Instagram, like a tile, and I was on a gummy, and it just freaked me out.

Speaker 2 Oh, I think I know what this is.

Speaker 27 The universe already ended and we're just living in its echo.

Speaker 2 That's not what I saw.

Speaker 12 You think that could be true? Think about that.

Speaker 19 Let my boy cooked.

Speaker 3 What does that mean?

Speaker 37 The universe has already ended,

Speaker 15 but we're living in its echo.

Speaker 34 It just hasn't reached us.

Speaker 19 No, I feel you because when you see a star, that star has probably been dead for hundreds of millions of years and we don't know it.

Speaker 19 And we're just seeing the light of it now from wherever it came from.

Speaker 7 And it's already dead. Right?

Speaker 2 these are the things i think about when i'm on 10 milligrams no but that doesn't i don't understand the universe is already over pal yeah billy you understand how time works

Speaker 2 over if the universe was over no no no no it's like a plane going overhead yeah you see it go overhead and then a little bit later you hear the sound because the sound speed of sound yeah but i'm like i'm moving my hands i'm not dead yeah but you understand like when they say like oh that's you know like 200 million light years away yeah but the star you're just seeing it i'm living this so it's not someone could be seeing this light years from now.

Speaker 2 Someone could be seeing it, but I'm still doing this. So someone will see this in light years.
You know how, like, I'm presently still alive.

Speaker 25 Right.

Speaker 27 But you know how in disaster movies, like an asteroid hits the Earth?

Speaker 8 Yeah. Right.
And where it hits, like that, that, that spot gets blown up. Yeah, they're dead.

Speaker 27 And it takes like a couple minutes to catch up to like the other coast.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 27 That's what, that's what's happening now.

Speaker 19 But just extrapolate that over hundreds of light years, hundreds of millions of light years, billions of light years, and the time.

Speaker 2 No, but you are alive still. They will experience it in light years, but you're still alive right now.
Yes. When they experience it, you might be dead, but you're still alive.
Well,

Speaker 32 we're going to live out our lives, hopefully, on this earth, despite the universe being dead.

Speaker 17 Another concept of time that is undermulled is the fact that there really is no such thing as the present.

Speaker 17 Because what I'm saying right now is instantly in the past, and what I'm about to say is in the future. So the present, as we define it, the present is fleeting.
It's gone. What I just said, the past.

Speaker 7 Now, the future.

Speaker 17 You know what I'm saying? There's no present.

Speaker 2 No, there is a present in the present. It's just very short-lived.

Speaker 17 What you just said is in the past.

Speaker 2 Yes, but it was present when I said it. Now it's in the past.
Are you guys on gummies now? What's going on?

Speaker 38 I did go to clips last night.

Speaker 7 What is that?

Speaker 12 Is that a haircutting place? No. It's basically.

Speaker 20 That'd be nice, though.

Speaker 37 It's Oasis for. Well, it's like Blowasis.

Speaker 16 So to sum up

Speaker 16 i'm not the only one excited for alien earth i'll check it out yeah you will not check it out

Speaker 2 you are not a sci-fi guy i am just not free

Speaker 26 look at all these amazing things that we're creating even though the universe is over

Speaker 37 tony best sci-fi movie oh i don't know yeah big sci-fi guy yeah no i mean so many to choose a thousand there's a thousand movies i don't know it's like great love for taylor swift the original predator that's a gray one that's a cool summer good answer that's my that's my favorite sci-fi movie too i do like the end of the Matrix.

Speaker 19 Matrix is fun. I like the Matrix.

Speaker 3 Good answer.

Speaker 23 We could also be living in that, even though the universe is open.

Speaker 7 We are.

Speaker 37 This could all be a similar movie. Which pill did you take?

Speaker 21 The 10 milligram one, I thought.

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Speaker 39 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 12 Yeah, very good.

Speaker 1 Imagine if someone told you you couldn't have a Corvette.

Speaker 39 Stugats.

Speaker 17 I'm a grown-ass man who's not

Speaker 17 filthy rich. I can't afford a Lamborghini.
Well, I probably can, but that's possible.

Speaker 7 Hey!

Speaker 11 Reflex?

Speaker 11 What the heck?

Speaker 39 No way. This is the Don Lebatar Show with these two guys.

Speaker 16 Did we, uh, Dana White spoke yesterday, right?

Speaker 8 I'm more confused than ever, pal.

Speaker 16 So Dana White spoke yesterday. Greg, you know, that there are all these new streaming deals that have been announced.
We've been talking about it a lot here: ESPN and WWE,

Speaker 16 ESPN NFL, which, by the way, I saw yesterday, someone said the ESPN NFL thing may not take place until 2027. Boy, way to get my hopes up.
That's a couple years ago.

Speaker 3 But now we know where Red Zone is.

Speaker 40 No, we don't. Where is Red Zone?

Speaker 3 If it happens in 2027, Red Zone's going to be right in Hulu, right where we want it.

Speaker 16 And then we also found out most recently that UFC has a deal with Paramount for $7.7 billion over seven years.

Speaker 47 Greg wrote a column on this.

Speaker 21 Oh, did you? I did.

Speaker 17 I did in today's Miami Herald, if you want to take a look at it. Double the ESPN deal right now with UFC.

Speaker 17 I'm telling you, I don't particularly, no offense, Tony, I'm not a huge UFC fan.

Speaker 17 I don't particularly have much admiration for Dana White, but respect this league, led by him, this sport, is taking over the world. It's global.

Speaker 17 it it's global in a way that that the nfl and nba aspire to be i mean ufc's a a monster but no offense tony no you kind of made all my points

Speaker 2 i did see aerial hawani though on i think he was on with bill simmons where he was kind of saying like well this is going to be an interesting stretch for them with cbs and paramount because in terms of like social where they get aggregated there's a lot of clips espn's social reach combined across their platforms is over 300 million where the paramount and cbs is only like 30 million so while they are getting a lot more money is this going to be a thing where now they lose exposure they lose it being out there and then he was also comparing it to when espn lost nhl what if espn just decides you know what now we're not going to cover ufc anymore and then what happens to the sport if they don't have as much reach and the largest you know media entity covering sports just decides we're not going to cover it for the time being like they did with hockey for a little bit.

Speaker 16 Could that be possible? Do you think that could be the case that ESPN will take a step back?

Speaker 31 Because proof of concept, like Billy highlighted, they stop paying attention to hockey altogether.

Speaker 16 Yeah, but I think the main difference of that, though, is there's still a major gambling aspect when it comes to UFC.

Speaker 33 I think they'll send like maybe a personality or two to big time fights.

Speaker 27 I mean, big fights, and they'll break it down in a way that there was a model there for ESPN before they had the rights where they tried to pay attention to it, but it had to be a mega fight.

Speaker 15 And I think.

Speaker 16 But the gambling was not as huge then.

Speaker 33 That's a fair point, but they tend to just talk NFL, MBA, and if they have the rights, they'll use that programming to kind of pump people there.

Speaker 38 They did it, they use first take a lot, uh, even with like their boxing.

Speaker 42 You'll all of a sudden see a boxing segment out of nowhere because they have the rights to push that.

Speaker 32 If they have no rights to it, they are not incentivized to it.

Speaker 31 And you may actually see a lot of that time that was dedicated to the UFC go to the other TKO property, WWE.

Speaker 15 But here's where I'm confused:

Speaker 15 we were told this is the end of the pay-per-view era.

Speaker 23 Good.

Speaker 26 You go behind this paywall.

Speaker 31 You go behind this paywall, you get everything, which is massive for the sport because you can kind of tangentially follow this sport now where I'm not going to spend 60-some odd dollars on every 90 bucks.

Speaker 44 Really? 90. Is it that much?

Speaker 19 It's $79.99 plus tax ends up being $90.50.

Speaker 7 I mean, you know, yeah, I'm not going to do that for every card.

Speaker 26 I've done that for maybe four cards a year.

Speaker 42 But now, if you're, if it's coming with my Paramount Plus, I don't have to feel like, ah, I got to be dialed into this.

Speaker 37 I got to watch this.

Speaker 30 It can go up on a second screen and I can just pay attention there.

Speaker 41 I think it's going to be huge. No pay-per-views.

Speaker 43 That's amazing. That's a win for the consumer.
Dana White came out yesterday and said, not so fast, my friend, on the pay-per-view thing.

Speaker 38 He reserves a right to still do pay-per-view events.

Speaker 34 Can we figure this stuff out when we are announcing it's big fights, Mike?

Speaker 19 That's what you're going to be looking at.

Speaker 50 But the big fights are supposed to, that's what the seven points said, that's what the money's for.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 16 I mean, they're getting $7.7 billion and they still make

Speaker 16 charge us for pay-per-view settings.

Speaker 19 Yes, but if you're talking about something so big, something so massive that you can charge $100 to $120 for a pay-per-view setting like July 4th, White House lawn, biggest card of all time, if they can put all these massive fights together, all of a sudden you're looking and being like, yeah, we're not going to hide that behind $13.99 at Paramount.

Speaker 19 We're going to charge $100 for it.

Speaker 23 Better be Trump fighting for it.

Speaker 7 People are going to

Speaker 7 buy it.

Speaker 2 Better be. It's got to be $17.76, not a penny more, not a penny less.

Speaker 25 Who's Trump getting?

Speaker 7 $1,700? Have you got to be $250 for the anniversary?

Speaker 23 Trump versus Greg Coach.

Speaker 12 I don't know.

Speaker 35 And I'd pay for that.

Speaker 12 You saw this other thing?

Speaker 23 Who wins?

Speaker 29 There's an ESPN plus Fox team-up streamer now, too.

Speaker 25 Yeah, I saw it. You know,

Speaker 29 that's different than the one that got shut down where it was Fox. It's confusing.

Speaker 35 ESPN and HBO.

Speaker 37 What

Speaker 11 are...

Speaker 12 We doing?

Speaker 34 What am I paying for?

Speaker 43 Stop announcing streamers that don't exist yet.

Speaker 30 I need proof of concept.

Speaker 50 What is this going to look like? How much are... Stop scaring me.

Speaker 34 Stop scaring me into what I'm gonna pay for that why are these micro

Speaker 40 future we're going back to the future we're gonna just get cable again

Speaker 19 like alien exactly bill you understand how time works now you see now you see it right we're going back to the future back to the future anyways let's really quick about the paramount thing and i think billy brought up an interesting point it's aerials i stole it from ariel sure but like the point that you made that ariel made that you brought here to us right now the 300 million uh across all platforms when it comes to social versus cbs's and paramounts 30 million usc is in a very interesting interesting

Speaker 19 point where they are probably the most social media friendly sport because of the instantaneous way in things happen, right? Knockout, submission, this, that.

Speaker 19 You don't need the buildup of an NFL play, an NBA play, a major league baseball play, soccer, this, that. It's like six seconds, boom, you're out and you're going to get seen a million times over.

Speaker 19 So I think what the UFC is doing is they're betting saying, I think as a brand, socially, we're big enough that wherever we go, people are going to follow and people are going to go look at the things on those pages, right?

Speaker 19 I don't think ESPN is the end-all-be-all when it comes to UFC or MMA social clips. They can put that out on their own stuff.

Speaker 19 CBS can do whatever they want, but it just feels like that's the bet they're making: we're big enough where we can do it on our own, and it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 17 And, you know, this impresses me too about this deal, about UFC getting a billion-dollar-a-year deal, because it comes at a time when a public perception, and Ariel Halwani has said this, UFC is looking for its next big superstar.

Speaker 17 They're on a little bit of a lull right now.

Speaker 7 I believe they found it.

Speaker 19 Okay, but that's

Speaker 23 their deadline.

Speaker 2 That's $7 billion.

Speaker 17 I know, but that's faith in the brand. Like, even if they don't have all of the big superstars right now, that's faith in the brand.

Speaker 17 UFC is so big, so global, so prominent, even if it's in a temporary lull, the faith in the brand is $7.7 billion. That's impressive.

Speaker 19 And it's growing, right? Like you're not seeing all these American fighters becoming champions. You're seeing worldwide dominance from all over the globe, and people are falling in love.

Speaker 16 Yeah, a bunch of Arab fighters.

Speaker 16 My son loves the Arab fighters.

Speaker 19 Big one this weekend.

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