Hour 2: The Lord's Cable (feat. JuJu Gotti)

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Speaker 8 One of the great things about being in the chair, and I, and listen, it's been great, you guys. This has been, thank you for the opportunity to truly enjoyed it.

Speaker 8 That said, I get to do things my own way, which I like, which means that we can do all the baseball we want.

Speaker 8 So I want the post-game to be just baseball, just pitch clock, which means we get to get juju right now.

Speaker 9 I like pitch clock. I actually, I had watched it for the first time.
It was like a month or two ago. And I text Jeremy right after.
I was like, hey, man, I just watched Pitch Clock for the first time.

Speaker 2 It shows a lot of fun.

Speaker 10 It was really nice. I really appreciated that.
And it's been really cool because last week we got the, or two weeks ago, we got the most views that we've ever gotten on an episode of Pitch Clock.

Speaker 10 Welcome keeps increasing, and it's been really exciting. Chris Cody being a huge part of that, constantly kicking my ass in trivia, is I think a big reason why people like to see me suffer.

Speaker 10 But it's been a lot of fun, it's been great, and now we're getting to the most important part of the season.

Speaker 8 You got to stay with things, it's a grind,

Speaker 8 but guess what? Juju's starting right now with

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Speaker 12 DraftKings, the crown is yours. Go ahead, Juju.

Speaker 13 Yes, sir. Welcome back to Thursday Thunder.
We took a knot on the head last week from Jake Paul. Roundhouse knocked us clean out.
But this week, we back, baby.

Speaker 13 First off, we start with my sister, sixth woman of the year candidate, most improved woman of the year candidate, Nas Hillman from the Atlanta Dream, going to face the Chicago sky tonight.

Speaker 13 She will get over 10 big ones tonight. 10 points for Nas Hillman.
Lock it in.

Speaker 13 Second leg, we're traveling to the valley. We got some people returning to the valley.
And I don't think my sister is going to like people returning to the valley.

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Speaker 13 my sister, Sophie Cunningham, pulling up to the scene of the crime, allegedly. She's going to get over eight points tonight against her former team because she's going to want to show them.

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Speaker 8 I think it's very clear to me, Juju, that Sophie Cunningham needs to

Speaker 8 be a part of that because she needs some money. She keeps getting fined, Juju.
What's going on with that? And why is it like, is it 500 bucks or 300 bucks? It's 500. When is she going to stop? Right.

Speaker 8 Is she that rich? Like it doesn't matter?

Speaker 13 Yeah, fortunately, my sister got a bankroll sitting tall and she got a lot to say.

Speaker 13 Especially with her having that new podcast. I predict she's going to get a couple fines down the line as well.
But my sister, her wallet ain't there. She got it.

Speaker 13 She's going to support it and she's going to say what needs to be said.

Speaker 9 So she's been very critical of officials, right? That's what the fine is?

Speaker 8 Yeah, she's been critical of officials and she's doing it on her podcast. It's a new podcast that, Mike, it's a real podcast.
It's not a fake one.

Speaker 8 But she keeps doing things that get her fined, like she's some sort of sort of spokesperson for the truth, like speaking truth to power.

Speaker 8 But at some point, I think you say to yourself, wow, I need a different approach.

Speaker 11 The first one was a TikTok video that she did, and then she was like text. She didn't really say anything.
It was just like a trend, but she like added the refs, and then they fined her 500.

Speaker 11 And then in the first episode of her podcast, she was critical of the refs again, so they find her $1,500.

Speaker 8 Oh, so it has been more.

Speaker 11 It's been escalating. It's been getting more and more these fines.

Speaker 8 Oh, then she's got to stop now. I assume that's it then.
She's done.

Speaker 13 I don't know, man. I think somebody should chip in and help her pay some of these fines from people around the world.

Speaker 13 Because if you're watching these games, you will see these referees are inconsistent

Speaker 13 to say the least. You feel me? My bad, Billy.
I cut you off.

Speaker 11 No, I was going to say, I mean, it's getting attention for her podcast, but if it keeps getting higher and higher at a certain point, like how much money are they going to find her and how ridiculous is it going to get?

Speaker 11 Because the WNBA can't find anything too ludicrous either based on what they pay their players. So it's not like they can fine her $20,000 if her salary is $70,000 or something.

Speaker 11 So it's got to be like $1,500 seems kind of high on the scale of what fines would be.

Speaker 8 And at the end of the day, what she's doing, you say, Juju, that the referee is inconsistent. I'm pretty sure that we talk about every sport with umpires, referees, there's inconsistencies everywhere.

Speaker 8 But she's doing something that's making her get fined. It feels like she's doing it on purpose.
That's where I need your your help, that she's doing it for a purpose.

Speaker 8 Therefore, you have to counter that with a fine where she will realize that the juice is no longer worth it and she will stop. I assume that's what the WNBA will do.

Speaker 13 I think the juice is definitely worth it. And I've been taking, trying to find out approaches and avenues on my show, The Alley Oop, which needs your help, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 13 Like I say, we right now, we on at I, not it was eyeball hoops, but we changed it to DLS hoops on youtube subscribe if you can even if you don't watch women's basketball just come over there and tell us about how you feel how why do you hate it tell me how you how much you hate me just please pull up on us we're not a part of the levator feet neither here nor there but on that show i'm trying to figure out avenues on how i can become a referee should i uh do some high school games Should I do some middle school games?

Speaker 13 I want to work my way into being a WNBA referee because something has to change.

Speaker 8 You got to work your way up. You can absolutely start by doing high school games.
And that is what, first of all, did you guys see what happened with Jen Powell?

Speaker 13 Amazing. I didn't see it.

Speaker 8 Nobody. Jen Powell is the first female umpire in Major League Baseball history.
That'll be this weekend. She's doing Marlins games this weekend and she's got the plate on Sunday.

Speaker 10 Nice.

Speaker 8 She's got the plate. And I hope that we criticize her.
I want equal opportunity criticizing.

Speaker 8 We have to give her the business. When she gets the cause wrong, Juju, you got to do it.

Speaker 13 Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, like you said, like my dog Mike said a couple weeks ago, and also how we discussed on the alleyo a couple weeks ago with TN Tran and Katie Kershaw from the Jocular podcast.

Speaker 13 We should be allowed to hate some WNBA players in the same way that we hate NBA players. My dog ain't wrong, man.
If you want to hate Angel Reese, as long as it's basketball, hate away.

Speaker 13 So I hope sister gets them cards right Sunday, or guess what? She's wrong in this attack.

Speaker 9 So this is interesting, right? Because in the other sports, you know, you have female referees in basketball. You have, you don't see it in hockey in the NHL.

Speaker 9 I don't think there's any female officials.

Speaker 9 You have it in the NFL. There's, you know, female umpire, side, not umpire, but there's side judge, long judges, back judges.

Speaker 9 And the difference between those sports and baseball, the officials in the other sports,

Speaker 9 they don't engage with the player who is angry at a call. They're actually supposed to de-escalate the situation.

Speaker 9 But in Major League Baseball, with the home plate umpire, they escalate the situation every now and then because they argue back with the player or manager who is yelling at them. Like that.

Speaker 9 That'll be an interesting look if she gets into an argument with the player or the manager. We've never seen that before.

Speaker 8 I think, well, what about Violet Palmer? Juju, she was, I think, 1997, became an NBA referee. So been around for 25 years, and I would assume she's ejected players?

Speaker 2 Absolutely, but there's no arguing.

Speaker 9 They don't yell.

Speaker 8 She just hears the argument.

Speaker 5 And then they

Speaker 5 argue.

Speaker 9 Well, I mean, she may say something, she tees you up, throws you out, peace, and then, you know, you're taught to walk away at that point.

Speaker 9 Major League Baseball umpires, they'll go nose to nose and yell with you.

Speaker 8 So you're worried about the kicking of the dirt?

Speaker 9 No, I'm not worried about the kicking of the dirt.

Speaker 9 I just think it's an interesting scenario that you could potentially have a manager or a player and for the first time ever, a female umpire just nose to nose and yelling at each other.

Speaker 9 That's an interesting optic, no?

Speaker 13 Yeah. Like last year, Joe L.
Embiid had an incident where he got a technical file and I think an ejection and he had to be restrained, held back for wanting to get at the referee who was a lady.

Speaker 13 So yeah, that poses an interesting dynamic, especially

Speaker 13 right,

Speaker 6 right.

Speaker 8 But doesn't that mean that it's working?

Speaker 13 She knows what she's.

Speaker 14 We did it? You're right. We did it, David.

Speaker 8 I believe that that is when you know you have equality.

Speaker 5 Like we've arrived.

Speaker 8 So I. How about us?

Speaker 1 We're a very progressive society.

Speaker 8 I believe that if Joe Ellen Bi goes after a referee, because that's what he does, he should not see the whole purpose is don't see the gender.

Speaker 1 Sometimes equality looks like Title IX. Sometimes it looks like a neon green dildo being thrown on the playing surface.
These are all steps.

Speaker 13 You have to walk before you can crawl right also i i agree earlier with you guys said about this is the wrong type of progress with espn do i got to subscribe now do i is my youtube tv gonna handle it like i think the varicose veins were worth it i support it i would name them the joker of the week if i hadn't already given it to kenny mednarik you can't push me and then try to shake my hand in my face stick with one or the other don't push me but at the same time i agree 100 100%.

Speaker 13 And good luck if you subscribe through Apple and you just get a receipt at 9.30 p.m. Eastern Time and says, thank you for your payment to

Speaker 13 who? Juju. I don't even know what I just said.

Speaker 1 Juju, what are these billing cycles? I get an email from Apple like every three days.

Speaker 5 Hey, here's your receipt.

Speaker 1 How am I getting a receipt on the 17th?

Speaker 9 That doesn't make any sense. They scatter these.

Speaker 1 They count on you just being confused by it.

Speaker 10 You probably signed up on the 17th. No.

Speaker 5 No,

Speaker 9 that is not an option.

Speaker 5 That's exactly how it works.

Speaker 9 Fill me on the same exact day so I can get a flood of bills and be like, what the hey?

Speaker 8 It starts the day you subscribe.

Speaker 6 No.

Speaker 9 You have to

Speaker 5 button myself. No, no, no.

Speaker 5 No, no, no.

Speaker 2 Because you were now trying to.

Speaker 9 Excuse me. Sir, you signed up on the 17th.

Speaker 9 Bullshit because I just bought a car yesterday. I got to pay that motherfucker on the first.
I bought a house on the 27th. I gotta pay that motherfucker on the first.

Speaker 5 Nice. Don't do that.

Speaker 9 What? Because I have Instagram premium now. I'm married to the 14th.

Speaker 5 Everything on the fing first.

Speaker 8 Juju, thank you. Do you have any polls before you go?

Speaker 13 Yes, man. That was how Mike's doing.

Speaker 13 That's the second time Mike don't wow me today. Also, we had a day about Trump earlier.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 13 You wanted veins?

Speaker 2 I loved it.

Speaker 5 I give you veins.

Speaker 8 All I want to know is where I can watch Backlash.

Speaker 11 All the veins.

Speaker 5 Lord's cable.

Speaker 8 Juju, we need Mike to take a breath. Maybe take a sip.

Speaker 13 Get a shake. Yes, sir.

Speaker 8 Did we do any polls? I'm sorry, this whole week, I feel like I've ignored the poll system because I've just tried to do baseball and make it my own.

Speaker 13 It's all good. You haven't ignored the shirts, and they've been wonderful, brother.
But we had one good poll today, one important one.

Speaker 13 Do you call it a pocketbook or do you call it a purse?

Speaker 13 85% of the audience says they call it a purse.

Speaker 10 15% is a win for you, David. That can't be 15%.

Speaker 8 You thought it would be 99 to 15.

Speaker 10 I don't even believe those 15% that they call it a pocketbook.

Speaker 9 Those 15% are 70-year-old Jewish women.

Speaker 9 How great are you doing?

Speaker 5 I knew that we had that many in our demographic. Exactly.

Speaker 2 You're welcome.

Speaker 8 DraftKings.

Speaker 5 You're about to have a hell of a lot more if you keep losing weight, pal.

Speaker 5 Damn.

Speaker 8 Juju, thank you, man.

Speaker 13 Thank y'all.

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Speaker 8 How special did we got Juju not in a post-game?

Speaker 9 Got him here.

Speaker 12 Now you're doing what you want, you know?

Speaker 8 This is how it's gonna. Big Macher.
God, we didn't speak enough Yiddish this week. I really was hoping to speak more Yiddish.

Speaker 12 Translation on all of them, please.

Speaker 8 Yiddish Macher is like a big man, or I wanted to say schmeckling. AMOC.
Wanted to say shch.

Speaker 8 Wanted to say so. There's so many things you can do.
Schmuck? I mean, there's a lot of things, not like Mike, which causes everyone to go crazy because he's swearing like a drunken soldier.

Speaker 10 The one I use the most is schwitzing. And when I'm sweating, I'm Schwitzing in here.

Speaker 1 That means for the record, I don't like the Browns anymore. You don't have to ask me the question through a Browns fan prism.

Speaker 1 I'm just as confused as regular NFL fans as to why they have 17 quarterbacks, why they drafted one in the third and one in the fifth, how Joe Flacco is back, and how we're just learning that he's Italian, and how that's being reported on.

Speaker 1 When I thought that that was he's Italian,

Speaker 1 I thought that was implied because of the last name.

Speaker 8 I thought he was Jewish.

Speaker 5 Flacco? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know enough about the tribe to know.

Speaker 9 I mean, have we had a Jewish quarterback since Fiedler?

Speaker 5 What about the guy? Starting quarterback, at least.

Speaker 8 What about the guy with the matzah, BYU, who had to leave BYU?

Speaker 11 Retrofs, right? He was Jewish.

Speaker 5 Yep.

Speaker 14 But in the NFL, starting quarterbacks?

Speaker 5 Bernie Kozar? Kozar. Not Jewish.
Jewish.

Speaker 10 Damn it. We had Josh Rosen for a minute.

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Speaker 14 Rosen Rosen?

Speaker 8 I need to bring to your attention that I tried last night. You asked me before what I do after the show.
Yeah, yeah, sure. And I forgot to mention there's something very important that I do.

Speaker 8 Yesterday, I tried to learn the difference between AI and not AI so I could improve sort of.

Speaker 14 Because you got fooled.

Speaker 8 Because I got fooled. And it turns out I came across an interview that

Speaker 8 was Florida adjacent. A newscaster did a interview with a...
kid who got killed in the school shooting in Parkland.

Speaker 9 Hold on. He did an interview with the kid who got killed.

Speaker 8 Yes. And it was an AI avatar.

Speaker 10 It was insane.

Speaker 9 Was it like a made-up kid or it was

Speaker 5 Keen Oliver? That's awful.

Speaker 10 It was truly, truly one of the most despicable things I've ever seen.

Speaker 5 That's awful.

Speaker 8 It's the same thing. Is that your view, though, of like the Tupac? What's it called? When

Speaker 5 it's a hologram? Hologram. It's a slightly different thing.

Speaker 10 Create an AI version of a

Speaker 10 My Academy.

Speaker 9 Yeah, at least Tupac is for entertainment.

Speaker 10 And to get his opinion on things and basically regurgitate what you think through the voice and image of

Speaker 10 a young person who was killed.

Speaker 8 So just to be clear,

Speaker 8 does it work that whatever the AI was answering was according to what he was programmed to answer by the interviewer?

Speaker 10 I don't know, right? Maybe, maybe, maybe there's a world in which the AI is programming some of the things that his father, Manuel Oliver,

Speaker 10 has said about Joaquin.

Speaker 8 So no permission was granted. Is the assumption what anyone else is?

Speaker 11 It was granted by his parents.

Speaker 10 But still, either way, I feel like it's just to use the likeness of at this point, right, like to use

Speaker 10 AI to

Speaker 10 recreate this child.

Speaker 9 Am I hearing this correctly? You said that the parents did grant that

Speaker 5 does change it a little bit for me.

Speaker 5 It changes it.

Speaker 11 All right, according to variety, and I'll just read you the first two paragraphs here for some context.

Speaker 11 Jim Acosta, the former CNN chief White House correspondent, who now hosts blah, blah, blah, whatever, published an interview with AI-generated avatar of Joaquin Oliver, who died at age 17 in Parkland in the Parkland school shooting in 2018.

Speaker 11 The interactive AI was created by Oliver's parents who granted Acosta the first quote-unquote interview with the recreated version of their son on what would have been his 25th birthday.

Speaker 8 Can we now get a re-vote?

Speaker 2 It's still odd.

Speaker 5 It's a little different to me now.

Speaker 12 It's a little different. It feels different now.

Speaker 10 I still find the decision to be kind of gross.

Speaker 9 I personally don't like it, but I feel different about it.

Speaker 1 I felt like all of what Billy read was implied. I don't think Jim Acasa would just go rogue and like, this is no doubt provocative.

Speaker 1 It's certainly dicey and worth criticism, but I thought the buy-in from the parents was implied. Jim Acasa does have a reputation.

Speaker 1 So I thought that it was certainly above board with the parents. I doubt.

Speaker 8 Do you remember the movie iRobot?

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was horrible.

Speaker 8 Try to forget it. Love that movie.
Love Bridget Monaghan, Tom Brady's ex. Love Will Smith in that movie, the whole package.

Speaker 8 But one of the things is a hologram appears, and the guy gets to basically live forever with messages to the current people post-death.

Speaker 8 The concept here that I thought interested me is that once we die, we have a chance to live on looking at our best. By the way, he looked great.
He never will age. Spewing messages that are his,

Speaker 8 actually his, with parental control or spousal control or family control and permission.

Speaker 1 That's up to debate as to whether or not they're his, because he's no longer around to speak for himself.

Speaker 1 It's dicey. But Jim Akasa, as a journalist, if this is presented to you,

Speaker 1 you deduce however you can through your ethics as to whether or not this is something that you should do.

Speaker 5 There is an feeling. Why do it?

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 1 That's fine.

Speaker 11 This is not journalism.

Speaker 1 No, it's not journalism.

Speaker 2 It's all shock value.

Speaker 12 Why?

Speaker 1 I will say that this isn't the first time that we've seen something like this.

Speaker 1 This is the first time that we've seen a journalist interview a victim

Speaker 1 like this. We've seen journalists interview AI before when doing AI stories.
And we've seen

Speaker 1 attorneys turn to AI and have victims who are no longer here speak in the courtroom as themselves and speak about their

Speaker 5 testimony

Speaker 1 it's it's I've seen these clips can't someone write this no no no they're not witnesses it's for effect it's for closing arguments where they they say look oh okay and the victim

Speaker 1 the victim was speaking to

Speaker 1 the alleged shooter saying what he took away from him I was a hardworking man I was a military veteran I was a parent

Speaker 8 impact statement done by a victim it's not testimony it is not the jury doesn't get to use that in its deliberations So let's make sure we're

Speaker 1 yeah, thank you for helping me clarify but yeah, it's all for effect Can I ask you something?

Speaker 9 What do the parents gain from allowing this?

Speaker 8 Like what are they trying to want their child to keep living with and not have it happen to any other children?

Speaker 1 I think that's a that's a point that this you can disagree with it, but they feel like they're helping with this and you're talking about it and bringing attention to a cause that is very clearly close to a lot of people's life.

Speaker 10 Look, the way I responded to it was at this point under the assumption, genuinely, that I wasn't sure that the parents were involved.

Speaker 10 And I was just so frustrated because we have seen these misuses of AI.

Speaker 10 We have seen, whether it's the Tupac thing or way worse with deep fakes of all sorts of different stuff, people using AI for their own confirmation bias on whatever topic, left, right, down the middle, it doesn't make a difference.

Speaker 10 I still am kind of grossed out by it because

Speaker 10 like we were just sort of saying this child is gone and you doing your own advocacy on behalf of your child is one thing

Speaker 10 to generate their image or likeness for your own mourning is another thing to then

Speaker 10 use that to preach a political message through his words, through his voice, is a third thing that does feel like potentially a bridge too far.

Speaker 10 And look, how am I to judge judge parents who have lost their child and are trying to figure out how to use their lives to make sure that what happened to him doesn't happen to anyone else?

Speaker 10 But it just feels like

Speaker 10 we have already opened the floodgates on AI in a way that is really, really problematic and we're not going to go back.

Speaker 10 And the more that things like this just become acceptable, no different than the way we talked about within politics, where things have just gotten to this place that's so out of control that we allow things that 10 years ago would have been insane to consider.

Speaker 10 I'm worried that we're going to continue to justify things that go this direction, where today, yes, it's with permission, but tomorrow.

Speaker 8 My words, Jeremy, 10 years from now, you'll look back at this, and this will be good and plenty.

Speaker 8 It's compared to an entire cake of candy.

Speaker 1 You'll be living inside the Oculus Rift by then, anyways. But

Speaker 1 while I know that you're concerned, and everybody is, I will remind you that AI told Billy earlier today that Hideo Nomo hit a 575

Speaker 11 Japanese All-Star game.

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Speaker 5 Stugats. I ain't cheating.

Speaker 6 This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugats.

Speaker 8 I tried to better myself last night doing this AI stuff and I came across this. Then I came across another story and I was ready to go public with it in the show.

Speaker 8 And our producer, Matthew Coca, the producer Matthew Personal said, wait a minute, may not be real, that Howard Stern got canceled. That the show got canceled.

Speaker 1 So who do you trust on the Howard Stern beam?

Speaker 8 How do you, I told Coca, what do you want from me? Because he keeps saying you're wasting my time because I'll text him ideas for stories and he'll be like, these aren't real.

Speaker 8 And it's making me insane.

Speaker 2 So.

Speaker 10 The headline said canceled while the article said just not renewing.

Speaker 8 I don't know if we're...

Speaker 8 No, that's not it. The question is, is it true that he is not being renewed or that it's not renewing? Because we don't have the right sources yet, according to Coca.

Speaker 9 Everything I've I've seen, and I, for, I stopped listening to Howard about four or five years ago. Before that, I was a religious listener every day for probably 25 years.

Speaker 9 Since I was 16 years old, every day on the school bus, I had my little radio, and I was a religious listener.

Speaker 2 Did you get beat to a pope?

Speaker 11 Sorry.

Speaker 5 Why? Why would you say that? No, he was a cool kid.

Speaker 1 Cool kids listen to Howard Cern.

Speaker 9 So, I mean, a religious listener for 25 years. And

Speaker 9 I grew grew out of it a few years ago, because honestly, the show changed. Like, the show's not even remotely close to what it used to be.

Speaker 5 Well, in that he's not off and on.

Speaker 9 But

Speaker 9 I saw all the reports yesterday, and everything I'm reading, like, I don't know what to believe.

Speaker 9 And everything I'm reading is, oh, they're going to make him an offer, but it's going to be like a super lowball offer, which he obviously is going to have too much pride to accept, and it's going to come to an end, their relationship with SiriusXM.

Speaker 9 So I don't know what to believe.

Speaker 1 I trust Jimmy Trayna on the Howard Stern beat. He's reported on him.
He's a fan of his, and this is what he had to say. There was a question posed to him on X.
What are your thoughts on Stern?

Speaker 1 Why wouldn't Sirius let him make it seem like it was his choice? He responded to this by saying, I didn't want to get into this, but people have been asking me about this non-stop.

Speaker 1 The report, and he did quote, report in quotes, came from the sun. Now, for the uninitiated, the sun is a rag.

Speaker 1 It's a tabloid, and they get a lot of stuff wrong. You may be able to hold up a couple of things this tabloid has gotten right, but not super reputable.
That was me editorializing.

Speaker 1 We continue with the tweet. If anyone believes that report, they are a very stupid person.
His contract is up in December. He's on vacation until after Labor Day.
His show did not get canceled.

Speaker 1 That still leaves room for it to not be renewed, but the reports that it was canceled, and this has been co-opted by the right on social media, and

Speaker 1 the misinformation cycle has totally fanned the flames on this. Go woke, go broke all that.
He has not been canceled, and he's due to return after labor.

Speaker 8 Why wouldn't he have just said that we are back?

Speaker 5 I mean, give him time. It's been 24 hours.

Speaker 1 He's on vacation. I mean, how?

Speaker 8 Yeah, he's on vacation. No, but I'm saying that Jim Train a guy.

Speaker 8 It seems like he used the word canceled purposefully. And when you say it opens the door to non-renewal, you don't non-renew Howard Stern.
They don't just call him like the day before the contract.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 SiriusXM probably has a good idea of what direction they're going. And that being said, the reports are inaccurate because he hasn't been canceled.

Speaker 1 By all indications, he's going to come back after Labor Day to do his show, and he wouldn't be doing that if he were canceled.

Speaker 9 Well, is it canceled? Like, is it fair to say then that Colbert was canceled? Because that show is over, but obviously they're fulfilling the remainder of the contract.

Speaker 11 Non-renewals and cancellations really are semantics.

Speaker 11 It's effectively the same thing.

Speaker 10 And Howard's shtick on air, I also, not as much now, but listen to Howard a lot through island.

Speaker 9 His shtick for the last 10 years is this is my last contract.

Speaker 5 Like, I get I guarantee you, and it goes down to the wire. That's what I mean.

Speaker 10 Like, he'll turn, he could just go to air when he comes back from vacation and be like, I'm not renewing, even if they wanted me.

Speaker 5 Like, he doesn't know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 9 We'll see. I don't have a deal.

Speaker 10 The running storyline for Howard every year for like 10 years.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I'm gonna need a list of ways to confirm stories because Jim Tranny, you would assume you can use that, but you can't use the Sun. And then blue checks don't matter anymore.

Speaker 8 Is it only CNN, Fox, MSNBC? I mean, do we just list the different main news outlets and say if it doesn't come from them, then it doesn't come at all?

Speaker 8 The whole thing has been bothering me because one day wasn't good enough and I can't do it today, Zaz, because I'm leaving.

Speaker 2 Here's also the thing. I mean, Howard's 71 years old.

Speaker 8 So?

Speaker 2 But eventually he's going to stop doing the show.

Speaker 1 He's made billions with an S off of this show.

Speaker 9 Stop doing it eventually.

Speaker 1 In every contract, he does the show less and less.

Speaker 10 And talks about how badly he wants to not be.

Speaker 9 And how he hates leaving his house.

Speaker 8 It just rings familiar.

Speaker 8 I'm not, I don't, I can't figure out.

Speaker 1 I understand this seems like spin, but if it is spin, it's a brilliant spin from the king of all media because he's been setting, he's been planting the seeds for this exact spin for close to a decade.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 So you think he is at the root of this? Now, this is an angle I didn't think about.

Speaker 1 I couldn't believe the last contract that he got.

Speaker 1 It doesn't really, none of the serious XM contracts that Howard Stern has received seem to make a lot of financial sense, and yet he keeps getting them.

Speaker 1 And every time everyone's bewildered, he does the show less, seemingly gets paid more. But along the way, as Zaz and Chris has said, he's said, I don't think I'm going to do this much longer.

Speaker 1 This is probably my last contract.

Speaker 8 I think what the politics of it have been is that there is some sort of thought, and Dan had this thought

Speaker 8 on this show, that the Colbert, we had an issue. I was a guest one week, week and I explained that the Colbert issue was totally financial related.

Speaker 8 And his view is, no, it was totally political related. And the fact that he had criticized the deal with CBS and Paramount, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 10 I mean, Howard would be in that.

Speaker 5 Yes. Yeah, his show got very political.
He's critical of the RAP.

Speaker 8 Right. So that's what people are saying is that SiriusXM.
And what I would argue is that SiriusXM looks at its bottom line. They look at his show and they say, well, wait a minute.

Speaker 8 What we're paying him, the billions with an S total in totality, we no longer can do that. So then we go to Howard Stern and say, okay, we can talk about a renewal, but you're used to X.

Speaker 8 It's now going to be Y. And when people are told that their value has changed, they tend to not want to do the same job.

Speaker 8 If you go to Colbert and say, please keep doing this, but we can only afford to pay you $3 million, he's going to say, pounce in.

Speaker 1 Howard's going to spin this into a win, and he shouldn't address this story whatsoever until he returns from vacation after Labor Day.

Speaker 8 He's just in the Hamptons.

Speaker 5 I mean,

Speaker 8 he's able. I mean, and I don't know what he's doing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's able, but why would he do that? That doesn't serve him. What serves him is being quiet, let other people spread around their opinions on the matter.

Speaker 1 And he returns from vacation after Labor Day, and then you hear it from the horse's mouth.

Speaker 8 And just by saying, I told you so,

Speaker 8 I guess it's a good plan. I guess I would.

Speaker 1 That would be the plan. That would be the way that Howard Stern would always leverage this type of chatter.
He's the king of all media.

Speaker 5 The king.

Speaker 3 He'll spin it of like, they think I want to come back.

Speaker 5 Okay, so I have not made progress is the bottom line ai versus not ai what's a good story what's true what i don't think there's a way to make progress everybody else seems to do it mike seems to say to everyone his age and that i'm an old guy no mike definitely gets fooled sometimes with that kind of stuff i get fooled i don't know all the time but i definitely get fooled i've gotten fooled yeah there's just things you have to check like i mean i think you're just upset that you got like really taken for a ride with that story of the couple that was lost i saw that story and i was like this looks fishy and i googled it and it was like fake news story fake news story the things that are easiest to fool you are the things that you want to believe for example there's a video of the president doing his uh his

Speaker 1 dance on the roof i looked at that i'm like man i really

Speaker 10 no i see i don't know it does it's not real he doesn't do that i don't know but just to show you how far gone we are no joke when i saw one of my uh campers when i was there last week uh he follows me on instagram and the picture that we shared a couple weeks ago of me as uh like my all-county photo playing baseball from high school we didn't share that yet.

Speaker 10 He said, well, hold on. We shared it on the show.
It wasn't my decision.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 10 he saw that photo and he said,

Speaker 10 wait, that's a real photo of you? I thought it was AI. Wow.
It's just a photo of me at the same time.

Speaker 8 Because you looked thin? Oh, because you were tall.

Speaker 8 Which was it?

Speaker 5 Tall? Short? Tall.

Speaker 5 Good at sports.

Speaker 10 My face looked a little different because I was 17 years old. Also, Sage Rosenfeld's not Jewish, but turns out JT Daniels and Aaron Murray, both of their moms are Jewish.

Speaker 8 And Rod Carew.

Speaker 5 Converted. He converted.

Speaker 10 And A.J. Dillon.
How does that work?

Speaker 2 Actually,

Speaker 2 I believe that's

Speaker 5 a chandler.

Speaker 8 It's incorrect. He wore a Jewish star.

Speaker 10 Yeah, but that's a different thing. There are plenty of

Speaker 10 players in the Dominican Republic as well who will wear the star of David but are not Jewish.

Speaker 8 I don't think I ever saw a Dominican player in my career wear a Jewish star.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I saw it

Speaker 10 in the academy, the Mets Academy.

Speaker 5 When I was

Speaker 5 living there or when you were 16 in the academy. When I was there for two and a half months.
Flamed out, elbow hurt.

Speaker 10 Not playing there to teach English. But that's a story for another day.
That's nice of you.

Speaker 8 It's eyewash when we pay people to teach the Dominican players anyway.

Speaker 10 It wasn't paid college credit.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that's how it works. And then we get to say, hey, look, we're trying to take care of these players.

Speaker 5 I mean, I did my best.

Speaker 10 I tried to help them. But you are.

Speaker 5 I did teach them things.

Speaker 5 Just for optics.

Speaker 8 It's optics. Once they're ready.

Speaker 10 But even if the teachers do a good job, it's still just for optics.

Speaker 8 Because once we realize that they're not not going to be big leaguers and we're not even going to use a visa. Andre Simenez was there.
We just.

Speaker 8 All-star. We just let him go.
Gold lover.

Speaker 5 Wow. I mean, of course.
I met Rosario. They got to get gold.

Speaker 8 Yeah, they were really good. Do you know the majority of those players, though, don't make it?

Speaker 10 Oh, the majority of them are cut after a year.

Speaker 8 And they send them right back to where they are, and it's terrible.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it's really rough.

Speaker 11 But they got to meet Jeremy, so.

Speaker 8 And by the way, they got to sign up for it. They all want to be in the academy.
If they can be in for a year, they will do it and then get to talk about it forever.

Speaker 8 And it's a part of their life and we totally take advantage of it and i feel terribly about it but we're not the same

Speaker 8 i've been getting that kind of con man over here it's no this is not just the marlins this is all 30 teams do the exact same thing do not think we're special we apart when you say i i feel terrible about it with a smile

Speaker 8 because you just you you understand that you're don't you feel for people when you're giving them a dream that you think can be attained but you know it can't be but they think it can be jose altuve is who everyone holds up as jewish

Speaker 10 no, as the example where

Speaker 10 a guy who was signed for no money, who had to try out for days and days and days and days. He wasn't even scouted, and then ends up getting signed and now has a Hall of Fame career.

Speaker 10 And every player, particularly Venezuelan players, look at him as this, you know, shining star to hold up as an example of if he can do it, so can I. Borderline Hall fam.

Speaker 5 He's a freak though.

Speaker 10 Borderline Hall family. He cheated.

Speaker 5 Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 Man, see, it is crazy.

Speaker 10 I was shocked. He got booed loudly every single at-bad.

Speaker 5 Why is that a shock?

Speaker 10 Lone Depot Park. I'm surprised that people outside of maybe

Speaker 10 Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, the teams that the Astros beat in 2017, I'm pretty surprised that he still gets that treatment around the league considering how great he's been since it happened.

Speaker 8 It's like this show a little bit, in that the memories are very long. Just very, very long.

Speaker 10 It just surprises me considering like a lot of the steroid guys didn't even get that.

Speaker 10 You know, like once it happened, A-Rod didn't get booed at every single park that he went to for the years after that.

Speaker 10 He got booed by certain fan bases, but there were plenty of places he went where it was fine, and he was the worst of them.

Speaker 8 The worst of the steroid guys?

Speaker 10 Well, in terms of the public reputation, right? Because it was twice that he had to admit to cheating, twice in a public interview after denying it, it was pretty rough.

Speaker 10 I mean, he didn't have to testify in front of Congress and ruin my childhood dreams.

Speaker 10 That was the worst day of my childhood.

Speaker 8 The worst day of your childhood.

Speaker 10 I mean, I lived a pretty privileged childhood.

Speaker 9 Like, who in particular was in front of Congress after

Speaker 5 my favorite player of all time?

Speaker 10 I know Palmero did the fan. Mark McGuire is still to this day my favorite baseball player of all time.

Speaker 5 I'm not here to talk about the past.

Speaker 5 That was the worst part of your childhood. It was awful.
I cried.

Speaker 10 I cried watching that.

Speaker 8 Are your parents still married? Yep.

Speaker 8 That's why it was the worst. Yeah.

Speaker 5 No, I've lived a really privileged child.

Speaker 8 You ever had a mole removed?

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah, that shit sucks.

Speaker 8 Wisdom teeth?

Speaker 10 Yeah, but that was kind of funny.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was kind of funny. I had really big, chubby cheeks.
You burst out your favourite?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, I'm just asking, like, top-line stuff. Ever get caught cheating?

Speaker 10 Emotionally, that was rough. Yeah, do you ever get caught cheating?

Speaker 2 I cheated on

Speaker 10 a homework in my seventh grade

Speaker 10 Spanish class, and I just used to write like random words in because I knew she didn't check.

Speaker 10 And then the one time Senora Costa checked the work and she saw that all I was writing, I was like, banana, apple, like just writing not even words in Spanish.

Speaker 10 And she checked and she gave me the, I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. And oh, man, it was awful.

Speaker 9 But Maguire was worse.

Speaker 10 Maguire was way worse. Awful.

Speaker 11 Seems like you were in the Maguire Spanish class. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Doing it for a long time.

Speaker 11 You finally got caught. I mean, how long were you manipulating Senora Acosta?

Speaker 10 A couple months.

Speaker 8 Wow. Oh, that's not as bad.
Maguire was years.

Speaker 10 Well, she's out there listening. He's a good person.
I just hope she knows. I still feel bad about it.
I don't.

Speaker 11 I really do. I don't think so.

Speaker 10 I just immediately came to mind. You're smiling.

Speaker 8 You are smiling, and your smile looks great, like your arms.

Speaker 10 Thanks.

Speaker 8 Thank you, everybody. So, before we go, Zaz, Billy, Roy, Mike, Mike, Cody,

Speaker 8 Jeremy, I've enjoyed this. What? And now it's time for me to go.

Speaker 5 Oh.

Speaker 8 That's it. You had me here for four days.
And Mike, the first five minutes of our nothing personal interview, memorable.

Speaker 5 Memorable.

Speaker 8 Better than my appearance? The audience was all over it.

Speaker 10 David, I'd say this week, you made it weird only like three times.

Speaker 5 Hey, all right, yeah. You hit the under.

Speaker 5 Like, seriously. You hit the holy over-under.

Speaker 10 Six and a half. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Ooh, that's crazy. You had a great week, dude.
Pusho.

Speaker 8 Did anyone hear from our dad, Dan? Nary a word.

Speaker 5 Nerry.

Speaker 8 Guess what? I'm coming back. That's what I'm going to do.
Uh-oh. And Zaz.
Is that a threat? Yes, I promise, baby.

Speaker 5 I'll be back.

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