Hour 1: The List About The List (feat. Pablo Torre)

Now's a good time to remember where tequila's story truly began. In 1795, Cuervo invented tequila.
Cuervo. What are you doing here? Cuervo.
Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up. Well, I do know that to be true, but even during an ad reads, like...
Cuervo. I think he could lay out, especially for one of our great partners.
Sweet, delicious Cuervo. Since then, Cuervo has stayed true to its roots.
The same family, the same land, the same passion. Cuervo.
So, enjoy the tequila that started it all. Cuervo.
Cuervo. The tequila that invented tequila.
Proximo. Cuervo.com.
Please drink responsibly. Cuervo.
The seven-seat Volvo EX90 is a car made for finding tranquility in traffic with a serene Scandinavian interior. Made for safely navigating the Golden

State from Big Sur to the Bay Bridge. And with intuitive technology and Google built-in,

it's the car made for finding the best taco truck in East LA. The fully electric Volvo EX90 is

perfect for California. Visit volvocars.com slash US to learn more.
Google is a trademark of Google

LLC. This is the Dan Levatore Show with the Stugatz Podcast.
I want to be excited about baseball as we head to October, but I feel like the feelings I used to have where NFL starts overtaking. And it's happening earlier and earlier.

Roger Goodell's getting his wish.

But the preseason is getting

underway. Starting tonight.

And people are unnecessarily

jacked up. And I'm not.

I can't believe, like, the Hall of Fame game

was, what, last week?

I mean, I can't spend any time watching that.

But you see what the ratings

were for the Hall of Fame,

which is a dog shit game.

Alright. And people

I don't spend any time watching that. But you see what the ratings were for the Hall of Fame, which is a dog shit game.

All right.

And people love it.

Everyone's watching.

It's crazy.

It's outtrying the NBA.

It's outtrying Major League Baseball.

Like big games?

Do you understand? I think so.

It's a Hall of Fame game, which is a preseason game.

And can we name who played? Chargers-Lions. I think that's who played, and I think the Chargers blew them out.
I think. Hall of Fame game.
Can't name. I don't think any starters played.
6.9 million people watched that game. Side note, only two Stanley Cup games, hockey show, Panthers guys.
Only two Stanley Cup games, Drew Moore. That's crazy.
That's crazy. I feel like it's got to be a...
People are just kind of putting it on, right? People wanted to see Trey Lance, man. Big game for him.
You just check in, right? People are not watching that game like they're watching the NHL final. I don't care.
I just can't believe... Believe it.
You have to believe it. You just put it on, though.
You just put it on. No, Chris is right about that.
You're not sitting there on the edge of the couch, locked in, but more people are casually watching that game than these other huge games. It's still interesting.
It's crazy. NBA, there were two finals games that had two non-finals games with more, and that's it.
And I think I have these stats right, but you can cross check. The point is that preseason is something and they're trying to get rid of it, which they should.
But now what everyone wants to talk about, and I have a slightly different thought on this, is the Cleveland Browns. And I have, I don't know if you know this, Zaz, but my goal today, Thursday, my last day in the chair, was to see if I could see the veins on Mike Ryan.
I just, that's what I've been looking for. Hey, yo.
Well, Mike, are you still totally out on the Browns? Yes. Good for you, man.
Yeah. But there was a way to be back in if Cam Ward got drafted by them.
By the way, quick side note, I've noticed ESPN this morning and NFL Network yesterday, are we doing Cameron Ward? They're writing Cameron Ward. I heard that this morning too.
It seems to be his preference in the pros. That's interesting.
He's allowed to give that. I assume it's like baseball where the players give the name they want and then you spread that to all of the stadiums and networks.
But Cam Ward is just better. Someone should tell him.
Cameron. I think three syllables is always the better way to go.
Cam Ward just slaps, though. That's just a cool name.
He could just, I think you could just go with one name. But Mike, I want to talk about the Browns because everyone seems to think there's a quarterback sitch because Sanders is starting the first game.
And I am trying. I'm trying to get people onto my side, which is I want the Cleveland Browns to be the best team in football because I want the Haslam's to wallow in Deshaun Watson and recognize the fact that he was the problem from day one, and I haven't been able to get there.
But I think this is the year with Flacco, with Pickett, with Sanders, and with, I think, two others. Gabriel.
My guy. Tyler Huntley's in the mix again.
Oh, yeah. Snoop.
Yeah. Can I get you to watch the game? No, not really.
Damn it. I'm locked in on Cam Ward, though.
I like Baker and Cameron. I want you to be worked up about it.
I want your favor. No, I think it's a very interesting hell of their own design.
So I'd like to discuss that, but I see the biggest media story of the summer is onboarded here on our show. have pablo ready yeah he's ready pablo thank god you're here we didn't get to see mike's veins i've been just waiting for the veins he's been waiting for those varicose veins well i guess i don't think those are varicose veins those are just vein veins but we pablo he's been worked up, but I assume that you can't focus on this because you are knee-deep finding stuff out.
We gave you, there was applause in the room when it was announced that you had a rumored seven-figure deal with The Atlantic. Man, you're rich now.
The Atlantic? The Atlantic, yeah. The athletic.
Careful. Thanks.
Hi, guys. Pablo, do you know how much we have to pay for these WWE pay-per-views or not? What the hell is going on here? I'll find that out.
I don't know what's going on over there. I just know that if you're to total my now cable sports, not even cable, but just sports watching budget, it's almost $1,000.
I don't know how or what I'm getting. I just know that it's an insane amount.
I also know, by the way, that this whole Cameron Ward thing reminds me of how I got scolded for trying to call Patrick Mahomes, Pat Mahomes, because he also wants to do the full thing. Right.
This is the thing. Patrick kind of slaps, though, like Patrick Mahomes slaps like more than Pat Mahomes.
Pablo, please do not go past what you did and what you're finding out, because this has been the summer of you, and I'm just not willing to just talk about nonsense here. I want to talk about how you're preparing, how the launch is going to be with The Athletic and The New York Times, and whether we can expect continued.
What exactly is the passion that drove you to this partnership and what can we expect thank you for genuinely asking a question I'm in an offensive crouch because every time I do this show I'm trying to figure out how to distract uh Dan into not insulting me um so it's really exciting look it's an exciting thing because we are going to keep making the show at Metal Ark Media. That's the most exciting thing is that The Athletic, The New York Times, came to us at a meeting in The New York Times building and they made it very clear that they want us to do this show exactly as we've been doing it, which involves taste testing athlete weed brands, which involves making butter sculptures of myself with Dan Levitard's money.
All of that stuff they enthusiastically want. And so the whole idea of what's changing is ideally for the audience, like nothing except for the fact that we will now have access.
If we do this right, if we earn the trust of our partners at the New York Times and the athletic, if we do that stuff, right, we'll do even more ambitious investigations and even more ambitious episodes. And the upside for us is that we get to access, we get to launder, I would say, our brand of, you know, occasionally high journalism, highbrow, also lowbrow journalism, into an audience that is unfamiliar with us as of yet.
And that's really exciting. So that's what's happening on September 4th.
That's the first episode we'll be launching with, which is a, I mean, I don't want to spoil that episode. It's a big one.
But yeah, I'm really, really, really, really excited and grateful. Can we help you with that one? Do you need help from Metal Ark or from Dan's show? What can we do to help you actually continue to grow and be great? I would say that for that episode, one of you in that room in Miami, one of you will be called upon.
One of you will be called upon. I don't want to say anything more, but one of you is very important.
Can we vote for it to not be someone? Me? I think it's about Kyle Stowers. It must be.
That was my fear. I think that Pablo is going to launch with an entire local PTFO.
A Stower Hour. You're going to find out whether who is going to vote for Kyle Stowers' MVP.
We're pivoting. We're pivoting to a Marlins podcast.
Correct. That's what The New York Times has purchased.
That's what they've demanded. Now, they didn't purchase it.
It's a license. Sorry, they purchased the right to license us.
Yeah. And that's by the way, people I guess I'm sort of numb.
Like part of the journey for people who care about the journey of Metal Ark, in which I am on lots of calls, and I am also confused about what we're doing here, it's really cool to see an institution basically be like, whatever you guys are up to, we want in on that. And that's why I've been wasting Dan's money, guys.
This has been the game the whole time. I want an institution to buy the right to license something, which means for people who don't know what licensing is, it just means that they advertise, monetize, promote the show, but they don't own the show, to David's very correct correction.
It's an ideal sort of like rental of us with the promise of being long-term tenants. And that's ideal.
I mean, I was talking to somebody the other day about this, trying to explain it because nobody knows what licensing is, and I totally understand why. And yeah, the reaction is this is the best of both worlds kind of scenario where we give up none of the freedom, but we have lots of upside.
And they likewise, if we somehow regress into a Kyle Stowers centric podcast, they can be like, yeah, this is a nice experiment. We don't want to do this anymore.
And I would also understand. Pablo, I have a question about meaningful journalism, because you did some meaningful journalism that actually brought about change.
Why does that work in the sports world? But it doesn't work in real life. For example, yesterday, one of the richest CEOs in the world gave the president a literal piece of gold in exchange to be exempt from the president's whimsical tariff policy.
Normally, that would be covered, but it's not really. It just happens in front of cameras.
Hell, the administration uses that opportunity as a press moment when in previous generations this would be shameful. But you put out an episode and you see immediate shame and change is brought about because of it.
Why doesn't it happen in real life anymore? I did love, by the way, the whole thing where Tim Cook, you know, head of the richest company in the world, I think still when he presents what Mike is not exaggerating, I would just say a golden base with a whole like thing on top of it, much like what Johnny Infantino presented to him, by the way, for the club World Cup. He's openly taking payoffs.
He's openly like it's very obvious. I think you just have to look at Donald Trump's face as he's smiling.
It's working like the gift is working. That's why everyone does it is that it works.
The thing I actually am glad that David is sitting in the chair for is this conversation because the argument for why Tim Cook should do this, of course, is not anything related to to some moral anything. that he has a fiduciary duty to the shareholders of Apple to do stuff that works.
And the quid pro quo works. It is absolutely, David, something that will make Apple more profitable, which is why everyone does it.
And you're super happy if you're an Apple shareholder, super duper happy as you're looking at your ROI and you're looking at how your stock has grown. And Mike, I think that this should be vein worthy.
There are gifts that are given to kings all the time. And it's been going on for hundreds of years.
Kings. I said that word purposefully.
Yeah, but we're not a monarchy. Well, there's 80 million people who disagree with you that they elected this person.
No, no, no, no, no. Yes, they did.
No, no, no. That is a fallacy.
And I hate it when my Republican friends do this, that this is the will of the people. This is not.
This is the will of Project 25, which he expressly said he had nothing to do with, and then they just go with the lie. This is not what is not what he ran on it's not hell even the thing that is closest to what he ran on was a lie because it's not violent criminals and gang members so i i don't understand why we're just willingly and it's not it's not by coincidence that habeas corpus is removed from the constitution and it's not a coding error all right it's not any of that it's happening right in front of you and because you're ignorant and you want to refuse to admit that you were wrong you don't want to capitulate you're literally going to turn into a monarchy i got the veins pablo can you see it yeah they're as i say they're varicose it's still noticose.
I can see all of them. They're protruding.
But nobody seems to give a shit. They've effectively flooded the zone.
I mean, what's happening, like, the world's most notorious human trafficker just gets moved to a minimum security prison. To Maxwell? Yes.
The most, wait, what did you call her? Most infamous living human trafficker i thought you meant like the the best like no the most infamous no we want a power rank can we get a top five human traffickers david you got that but it's happening right in front of people and it runs counter to the promises that were made on the campaign trail and yet the base just goes along with it why but this is we know that democrats are going to be angry weren't republicans well this is a so so the question that you originated uh was a good one like why does this matter in sports but not in politics and i think the answer is in the ability for uh shame to be a guardrail however fleeting by the way i wouldn't say that the nflpa currently is covering itself in glory and spoiler alert I'm still reporting on that story in terms of how they are handling the regime change but there was a regime change and there was somebody in the character of Lloyd Howell who was like this is too much for me I'm not built for this I am in fact built not different I don't want this Trump has certainly this bed of nails phenomenon where he can just handle everything and the more scandals the less pain is inflicted the thing though the thing about like okay what matters like the the Jeffrey Epstein thing I was just having this debate last night with some very smart people and the thing I argue is not that we finally got him. We finally got the thing that Elon Musk was not when it came to like, ooh, his betrayal is going to be the real death knell or the convictions, which were obviously something that he wriggled out of and nobody cares.
The reason why is because I think when you You run a campaign premised on the number one problem in America that they're not telling you about is pedophilia and the deep state is what's enabling it. And then you become the deep state.
And now you're like the pedophilia thing, not not a big deal. You lose those anti-political people who don't care about politics, who you got into your coalition.

And this is, by the way, this is Joe Rogan. This is Andrew Schultz.
This is, I mean, go down the line, right? These are Theo Vaughn. These are the people who are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
This feels like a bridge too far in terms of what our capacity to swallow is going to allow. And that, that sensitivity to his base, I think, is why Trump is acting so weirdly about this.
I don't know what's in the files yet, but I do know that he is behaving in a way that suggests he is afraid of his base turning on him because of it. And that, to me, he's always had a good read on his bass.
And he's seeing these manosphere, quote unquote, I hate that term, but those guys being like, eh, this is too much. And that, to me, is interesting as a signal.
Hey, it's Mike Ryan. Those sprinklers are starting to slowly come up on the football field.
Time that we have with summer is dwindling. I'm sure you're already doing that thing where you're going through your photo album, flipping through the photos that you've taken this summer, already reminiscing about the good times that you have.
I know I did. And in many of the pictures that I went back to reminisce over, I had a beautiful white can of Miller Lite in my hand because I love making good times during the summer, a Miller time.
And it's a good reminder, we're losing time on this summer. So why don't you share the moments that you have with a white can of Miller Lite like I have, whether it's a long weekend or a full-on vacation.

It is the perfect time to get the crew back together, and since 1975, Miller Lite has been the go-to way to stock the cooler and celebrate those moments.

This year marks 50 years of Miller time.

50 years of great taste, great friends, and unforgettable memories.

Brewed for flavor, with simple ingredients like malted barley, it delivers rich balanced toffee note flavor, and that golden color that just hits different. Miller Lite.
Great taste. 96 calories.
Go to MillerLite.com slash Dan to find delivery options near you, or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. Cheers to 50 years of Miller time.
Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. Folks, listen up.
The Dan Lebitard Show with Stugats is sponsored by BetterHelp. Man, trying to figure out wellness these days.
I feel like I'm drowning in advice. Cold plunges, gratitude journals, screen detoxes.
But honestly, how do you know what will actually work for you? The internet's a mess of noise, and sometimes it's hard to tell what's legit and what's just hype. That's where BetterHelp comes in.
They've got over 30,000 therapists online, the biggest platform out there, and millions of people have already used it. It's not just some one-size-fits-all thing.
You get personalized help on your schedule right from your phone. And if one therapist isn't your vibe, no problem.
You can switch, no extra cost. Therapy isn't just for big crises either.
It's about learning how to cope, set boundaries, and be the best version of yourself. Plus,

BetterHelp's got a 4.9 star rating from over a million reviews. As the largest online therapy

provider in the world, BetterHelp can provide access to mental health professionals with a

diverse variety of expertise. Talk it out with BetterHelp.
Our listeners get 10% off your first

month at BetterHelp.com.

That's BetterHelp.com. where I need to do so.
For me, SimpliSafe becomes the way I want to protect my home. Because not only is there like the personal peace of mind of knowing that my security is preventative, it's not just an alarm after an event, I want to make sure that my wife is okay, that my cats are okay, that everything I have in my home is okay, and knowing that I have to deal with like the stress or the violation of someone potentially breaking into my home and reacting to it versus having the control and safety of proactive prevention is huge for me.
Most security systems only react after a break. SimpliSafe helps stop it before that happens.
Their new Active Guard Outdoor Protection uses AI cameras and live agents to spot suspicious activity, speak to intruders, turn on lights, and call the cops before anything goes down. SimpliSafe is offering Levitard Show listeners 50% off a new system with professional monitoring.
Plus, your first month is free. Visit simplisafe.com slash DLB to claim the offer.
That's simplisafe.com slash DLB. There's no safe like SimpliSafe.
Don Levitard Bro and Peebide. This is the Dan Levatore Show with the Stu Gads.
I'm just going to go on record, and I'm happy to go on record today at this moment, that if Pablo Torre finds out what's in the Epstein files, and that's, he needs one of us in the room, and that's the first who's the volunteer who's there who do you got I don't think anyone will care we've what we've passed a tipping point there there is clear and obvious upfront corruption and bribes happening in front of everybody's face like the Maxwell leaks yesterday coordinated as they were that she reportedly didn't have anything bad to say about Donald Trump. What a coinkydink as Donald Trump's former personal attorney goes and meets with her two weeks ago and she's moved to a federal, a minimum security federal prison.
This is overt. This is clear as day.
These aren't context clues. This is playing out right in front of you.
The president gets to say in front of a microphone, oh, nothing about that really that that defies all logic and plus he's lied several times about it the files were made up they were made they're not actually real they're on someone's desk none of this matters and i just we're well beyond the tipping point of it ever mattering now there have been societal shifts i don't want to discount us from ever turning around from this. I think we can, but AI makes everything way more difficult.
The rules that they put in place to really tear down the republic makes it harder to climb out from, and it seems like we're further away than ever. No, I think they'll care.
I'll do it. Yeah, I'll be there.
Pablo, you got at least three deep people who want to be part of that episode. Look, the NFLPA head.
You want to be on the list about the list. I was going to say, it sounds like you're going to reveal a list, and when you said it involves someone here, it's like, whoa, someone's on the list.
No, this is a list about the Epstein list. Where's Joe? He's been on vacation too long.
I need Joe to talk me down. Where's Mika? Can you find out where they've been? I'm in the green room.
Joe was on the show today. Was he tan? He better be tan.
That better be a nice base. We're all tanner than we'd otherwise be.
How can anyone go on vacation during a time like this? Where's Dan? Can I briefly point out a couple of things? Cortez, who is texting me as a producer of Poblatory finds out some important information because people have been wondering do we need to subscribe to anything? Is stuff going to be paywalled? What is happening? To be to be very clear, podcasts still given to you for free, YouTube videos, full episodes given to you for free. You should subscribe to the New York Times and The Athletic for lots of good reasons, but that's not because you must do that to listen and watch us.
So just to clarify again, we're not going to make you pay for anything, although you can pay for subscribers to my sub stack,

in which we'll give you exclusive content and meetups and stuff,

and I'll make it worth your while.

You can be on a list about the list about the list even.

You can be told about who should be on the list.

You're going to make it worth my while.

Pay your sub stack to know where to meet you.

Well, that's information people are.

How do we get Red Zone? How much am I paying for WWE now? Careful here, Pablo. I'm just begging you to be careful.
I don't know what you guys have been doing today. Trying to figure out answers.
It's only crashing out. We launched the Kyle Stowers MVP candidacy and Adnan Virk laughed at Jeremy.
I'm just counting down the hours to go see Weapons tomorrow. It's been a day of questions.
And, Pablo, I would say that we've got one more question for you because your time has to be limited because you're saying that everything's for free. I would like to point out to Billy and Mike, his podcast, Pablo Torrey finds out, you don't have to pay for it.
Easy to find. He just said that.
But you guys are all up in arms. I'm talking about Red Zones, though, man.
Well, I'm tired of it, Pablo. Do I have to pay for Red Zone? No one knows.
They've been losing their minds about what they're paying for and so totally begrudging paying for quality where I have a totally different view that I would pay for your podcast. And maybe that makes me different.
But all of your loyal listeners who are finding shit out, I would pay for it.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

That's a good title of a show.

Pablo Torre finds shit out.

He certainly does.

Disparaging to what he's finding out.

Every day.

Pablo, I was also called an elitist

because I said five below

should remain below $5

and they shouldn't sell anything above that.

Ooh, yeah.

See, I mean, this is obviously

the dollar store argument. Like, what are we doing here? that's what we have a 99 cent store but why why can't the dollar store have stuff at different price points i mean and change the name of your store how is this how is this even an argument like what are we doing here does thrifty rent-a-car always charge fewer dollars than hertz and avis and enterprise Enterprise? You show them a better offer, they'll beat it.
Well, that's Fast Eddie. That's very normal in the industry that if you can beat an offer, a matching offer.
These are all normal. But it doesn't matter what the name of the company is.
Just because it's Dollar Store doesn't mean everything has to be a dollar. David, if the store is called everything here costs a dollar, I just kind of expect that.
That's just all we're saying because it's dollar store doesn't mean everything has to be a dollar david if the store is called everything here costs a dollar i just kind of expect that that's just all we're saying it's it's it's probably appropriate it's probably appropriate that the name of my show thank you david is probably tori finds out and i make it a point to find stuff out the name of david's show is nothing personal you subscribe and everything is personal so i guess there is a through line in his to titles. And the name of this show is the Dan Levitard show with Stugatz, and neither have been here for quite some time.
Listen, I happen to just say that the name, it's the whole wine label argument that we had when Jeremy wasn't here and he was oiling his arms, that you have to, in every way possible, understand the products you're getting and then what you're willing to pay for that product. And you have to be willing to pay for stuff.
It's why we work. It's why we earn money to spend on the stuff that we want.
And I'm not embarrassed to say that I want, Pablo Torre finds out, twice a week, three times a week. Are you doing three times a week with a new deal or is it more? We're doing three times a week.
But again, if you subscribe to my sub stack, I'm going to do some stuff that's exclusive to those subscribers in which, yeah, I'll do maybe a fourth episode in a given week just for that. I do subscribe to your sub stack.
I am a paid subscriber to your sub stack. Thank you.
Pablo, do you have a list like of the things that you want to find out? Yes. How long is that list currently right now? So now Zaz is getting to what I'm here to talk about.
So I think this is hard to see because my notes app is – there's an – hold on. Let me find the part I can show you that is seeable.
Because I have an ideas.

What are you afraid to just hold up and show us?

You got something shady going on there?

If you scream copyright, then you can't do it.

I'm going to make it so far back that you can't really see it.

Copyright.

Just look at, I'm just going to scroll.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We can't really see the phone, so.

You have like the blur feature, I think, on your screen.

So we can't really see anything. It's totally working, Pablo.
We can't tell you're in a blue room either because everything's blurred back there. Hold on.
Let me see if I can. You called it a green room.
It is a green room. Yeah, Zaz, it's a good idea.
It's all written down, and I'll get to it eventually. Like, how many would you guess that you have? I want to show you the scroll bar uh hold on let me oh god i don't want to i can't show it's just so it's you know how you do instagram stories sometimes and you're like that person posted way too many stories yes and it's like the size of tiny sure sure that's the size of the scroll bar on my notes app so you got ideas across the top i got look the thing that David has been recently, and I so genuinely appreciate it.
I've been a champion of PTFO and our staff and all people who make it. And by the way, this is so much about me getting help from people.
I can't do it without them. All that I hope is very obvious.

David always talks about our staff.

This is a victory for them.

We get to do the things we do with them.

That's so incredible for us,

even though Ryan Cortez is texting me

annoying factual corrections.

The reason I say all of this is because

when it comes to like how we make the show, yeah, like it, it, it, man, there's so, I try not to spoil episodes, but we are doing things. You're not even saying sentences right now.
I'm not even saying sentences because I'm trying to avoid what I think is important to convey, which is that we are actively investigating things that the federal government is also investigating. And I don't want to show you the notes that file because I'm not kidding.
And so how do we get to do that more with the help of people who like and subscribe? So thank you. Do you have lawyers on staff ready to roll? We have a lawyer at Meadowlark who is incredible.
By the way, shout out. Thank you for giving me a shout out opportunity to Christopher Poe, Meadowlark's attorney.

He is somebody who vets our episodes when there's legally questionable or rather legally

interesting material.

And it's just rare to have somebody who's a champion for the journalism and not trying

to actively discourage it.

I've worked at companies where that's not the case.

Which companies?

Uh, you know. No, I don't know.
That the case. Which companies? You know.

No, I don't know.

That's why I'm asking.

You know.

What does Zinn give you?

Not just smoke-free nicotine satisfaction,

but real freedom.

Freedom to do what you love and choose your rewards.

With Zinn Rewards,

you can redeem points for premium tech,

outdoor gear,

and gift cards to your favorite retailers. Find your SYN and keep finding rewards that fit your lifestyle at SYN.com slash rewards.
Warning, this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical.
The rivalries, the bans, the upsets, college football is back. Think you know the game?

Put it to the test with DraftKings Sportsbook and turn picks into big payouts. New customers bet $5 and get $200 in bonus bets instantly.
With live betting, rivalry week boosts, and more, DraftKings Sportsbook has everything you need to own your Saturday. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and use code DAN.
That's code DAN for new customers to get $200 in bonus bets instantly when you bet just $5. In partnership with DraftKings Sportsbook, the crown is yours.
Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. In New York, call 877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPE-NY in 467-369.
In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org.
Please play responsibly on behalf of Boothill Casino and Resort in Kansas. 21 and over.
Age and eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Void in Ontario.
Bonus bets expire seven days after issuance. For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see dkng.co slash audio.
I'm a kid. So am I going to surprise you with a poster board I need for the science fair tomorrow? Probably.
But can you get up to 40% off back-to-school essentials on Uber Eats? Definitely. So order on Uber Eats and get up to 40% off.
Exclusions may apply. Check out for availability.
Don Lebertard. David Sampson.
Weirdo. because he was not he was not the fun substitute teacher who'd wheel out a TV and play a VHS

tape of Armageddon in science class. He was the weird one who would eat an egg salad sandwich while clipping his toenails into the trash can and ranting about Ronald Reagan.
Stugatz. The guy kept talking about how his ass was smooth.
Smoother than a newborn's cheek. He wouldn't stop bragging about his bare buttocks to me.
This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats. Well, while you're thinking about whether or not I can find that out, I think Mike may have a top five for you.
Yeah. Is it a good one? Top five pitches that I have for Pablo Torre finds out.
Nice! Number five. Is Nick Saban a paid lobbyist? Easy to find out.
It was very funny when he was asked, like, so you're on this commission, right? This Trump asked you on this commission. He was like, no.
He is. And he's speaking before Congress.
And he has a lot of gravitas to him. And he is speaking and espousing these virtues on cable TV's biggest college football studio show.
And he has never been asked on camera as to whether or not he's a paid lobbyist because he should disclose that because no one on that show is really presenting a counter argument and the machine just keeps going it's public mike and i would like to know if he's if he's a i know he's certainly a lobbyist because he is lobbying congress on behalf of the old guard but i would like to know if he's being compensated for it.

Okay.

Conventionally or with some other concessions down the line?

That's a good idea.

I mean, look, Derek Dooley is running for Senate.

Tommy Tuberville's an actual senator.

These are not ridiculous questions to ask.

Number four.

Number four.

Max Struis. Ten minutes after he hit a three-pointer, they changed the score on Eastern Conference Finals.
Finally! Ten minutes later, we had never seen anything like that. Potentially cost me a third championship ring, Pablo.
We haven't seen anything like it since the source was just trust me bro there hasn't been a single image of max shrews's heel actually touching out of bounds bullshit jimmy butler should have been driving to the lane with a tie game and just dunking for a go-ahead bucket. They changed history.
This was the score that existed in a game for 10 minutes. And then Mike Breen explained to us just out of the blue, league officers decided he was out of bounds, even though we have no evidence to actually support that.
We've never seen anything like it since. I'd be a three-time champion broadcaster.
That's varicose veins. Pablo, does that interest you in any way? It is interesting.
It's also interesting that Mike Breen is Lorne Michaels. Number three, Rick Riley.
Where is he? Where is he now? I mean, he signed deal It seemed like a bad deal He was like the biggest writer in America And then he joined the biggest brand And it just never worked out and he just went away And I don't know what's happening to him Is he still on the payroll? I was going to say Sports by Brooks but then he came out And he kind of revealed that he's like a history buff now. So I settled on Rick Riley.

So Sports by Brooks was DMing me the other day, and it was such a delight to hear from Sports by Brooks, who is a history buff and has lots of thoughts about sports and history and politics now. I used to go to his site for the boobs.
I'll admit that now. He is pivoted.
You say that as if that wasn't all of us, Pablo. I remember the sidebar of his site was just like a list of JPEGs, basically.
And I clicked. I did click.
Rick Riley was, for those too young to remember, one of the great long form writers before he was the preeminent sports columnist, Backpage Magazine columnist at least, in America. He was incredible.
An incredible, read the story about Marge Schott, the former Cincinnati Reds owner that Rick Riley wrote. It's just one of the most fun, skilled pieces of writing in any genre anywhere, and I have no idea where he is now.
But why is Mike worked up? Why are you worked up about that? I want to find out. Yeah, it's a mystery.
Okay. Pablo, you might have done this episode and I'd be very embarrassed.
I don't listen to all the episodes. I try to.
Oh, that's... I try to.
Did you do an episode on the yips? We at ESPN Daily did an episode about the yips. Have not done our PTFO treatment of the yips.
It's, I mean, look, it's self-evidently fascinating, right? It's called white line disease. I'm sure David has encountered someone with the yips in his capacity as executive of a baseball team.
It's been called all sorts of euphemisms. It is real.
It is something that manifests most prominently in golf and basketball and Ben Simmons at the free throw line. It's a real thing.
It's a real thing. I thought the Yips were solely baseball in terms of where the name came from.
It's happening in golf, as he said. It happens in other sports, but I thought the name Yips was baseball generated.
I'd like to see the PTFO treatment on it. My backup for that for that was nascar charters but you know i've been pitching that privately for years we did a nothing personal a lot of nascar ideas and number one um spanish tax laws the game's biggest icons in both coaching and playing have all been pinched by the Spanish government.
And initially it's been reported like they're going to serve jail time, yet they never do. Why does nobody ever pay their taxes in Spain? Why do they always get penalized, but not really? I'm talking Ronaldo, Messi, Jose Mourinho, Carlo Ancelotti.
This happens to everybody over there. There's always some kind of felonious scandal when it comes to taxes, and I don't understand it.
I'd like to find out why. Do you want to be the correspondent on that one? No, I have nothing to offer other than, like, this is happening.
Well, correspondents go and find out stuff. They go correspond.
No, that's what he's there. I got this job.
He's got that job. No, you understand that he has the other people do the job and then he gets the credit for it.
I happen to know that Pablo Torre does a fair amount of sleuthing. Whoa.
I do some sleuthing. Especially Spain? If it's Spain, Pablo will take that.
There is another episode that's taking me to Spain sometime in the next year that I am actively I've been reporting as long as I've been reporting any story. I might make a pit stop for tax law while I'm over there.
It's a good idea. Honeymoon of Belichick and Jordan.
Is it will it be in Spain? Jordan. Jordan.
Excuse me. Thank you.
I don't believe that they are engaged, despite the fact that Bill Belichick's boat has been renamed Nine Rings or whatever it is. I don't believe that that is the case.
But my investigation into that continues. That's not an accident.
I'm going to stroke you real quick. You've had an Adrian Beltre contract here.
You've had a big-time summer. You dominated sports pop culture with the Belichick thing.
And then the NFLPA thing was, honestly, you may win awards for that journalism there. You have this new partnership.
I know you, and I know you like being talked about. So you're going to try to Tommy Top yourself, but how do you? September 4th, one of you is going to help me top myself, and I don't mean that in the way that some of you may already presume is disgusting and graphic, despite the fact that you are on a list about the list, not the same list, not the same top, but we are going to Tommy top ourselves.
Pablo. Thank you.
It's Pablo. Torrey finds out and a metal arc.
It's a victory for metal arc. It's a victory for everyone in this room, everyone listening to this show.
And they're still doing shows three times a week, arc it's a victory for metal arc it's a victory for everyone in this room everyone listening to this show and they're still doing shows three times a week but starting september 4th it will be associated with the athletic and the new york times pablo torrey see this is how it can go when we're all nice to each other you know what i just want to say thank you dan for letting me waste your money and then hopefully waste less of your money even though you're never at the show that you host thank you wow zaz i'm just i'm trying to figure out who's the person that's going to be on the list that's going to be about the list i according to mike it doesn't matter because everyone knows who's on the Mike, apparently your point of view is that you know that the list is the list.

I mean, we know he's in the files.

It's obvious he's in the files.

It's been reported by reputable...

It doesn't matter.

But he was saying that we have to hold people accountable for being in the files.

I just want to know who else is in the files.

And then you always hear, well, why didn't Biden release the files?

And then I have to explain that the files were sealed.

And I'm going to explain that the files were sealed and then someone who is very stupid looks back at me and says why does that matter and i'm like well before the division between the the executive branch and the department of justice used to matter but they don't understand that because they're stupid do Do you know the three branches of government? Judicial, executive, and I think Pat Riley and Nick Harrison oversee the third. But there's like a power struggle, I think.
Ooh, Pablo should find out about that. You think that Nick Harrison is involved somehow in the legislative branch? No, I was making a joke to move the show on.
I don't want to move on from your insanity about this. I feel for you.
The one that Marjorie Taylor Greene's a part of. Oh, that side.
The one that represents the best of us. I will move on from that.
I'm glad we had Pablo. That was a thing as the whole process of getting that deal done and figuring out sort of the best place for Pablo Torre finds out.
So he had a bunch of options. It's Pablo Torre finds out.
People wanted to find out with him. Go for him.
Go for him. And so the reason why the athletic makes sense is it's just as they said in that press release.
That's a press release where we all knew what to do. So I don't know why people thought like, oh, is it paid or not paid? Is it still free? Well, I mean, he explained it there.
He did a very clear and concise job of explaining this is what it costs, which is nothing. And you could still get it available here.
See, I understood how to get it. They released the story.
And he's like, oh, there was one question. And here's the answer to that question.
It was very nice. So my commitment going forward is to try to demystify some of these press releases like we do on Nothing Personal because there are some press releases that are ridiculous and ask more questions than they answer.
But Pablo's one, which was worked on by a lot of people, was very clear. And I'm personally excited for September 4th.
Any idea what that episode's going to very secret if he's he just said that he's investigating the files he also said he's got more on the nfl pa did you hear him say that i'm looking for context clues mike lots of context clues because you tell me that that's what i miss often on and off the air so he said something about nfl pa Who's left to kill at the NFLPA? I mean, there was a mission statement sent out. There's new leadership already.
So he's going to take down the new leadership after taking down the old leadership? I don't know. I don't know what Pablo's going to do.
Someone here knows because someone's going to be involved in that episode. I have a theory.
Presumably that person knows already. Yeah, it's you.
Because we all talked. It's none of us.
It can't be me. It has to be you.
It's definitely not Chris. What do you know? It's you.
You think that everyone is telling you the truth? Do you think you're credible enough? It's me. Now's a good time to remember where Tequila's story truly began.
In 1795, Cuervo invented tequila.

Cuervo.

What are you doing here?

Cuervo.

Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.

Well, I do know that to be true, but even during ad reads, like...

Cuervo.

I think you could lay out, especially for one of our great partners.

Sweet, delicious Cuervo.

Since then, Cuervo has stayed true to its roots.

The same family, the same land, the same passion. Cuervo.
So, enjoy the tequila that started it all. Cuervo.
Cuervo. Since then, Cuervo has stayed true to its roots.
The same family, the same land, the same passion. Cuervo.
So, enjoy the tequila that started it all. Cuervo.
Cuervo. The tequila that invented tequila.
Proximo. Cuervo.com.
Please drink responsibly. Cuervo.
Hey, it's Mike Ryan. Those sprinklers are starting to slowly come up on the football field.
Time that we have with summer is dwindling. I'm sure you're already doing that thing where you're going through your photo album, flipping through the photos that you've taken this summer, already reminiscing about the good times that you have.
I know I did. And in many of the pictures that I went back to reminisce over, I had a beautiful white can of Miller Lite in my hand because I love making good times during the summer, a Miller time.
And it's a good reminder, we're losing time on this summer. So why don't you share the moments that you have with a white can of Miller Lite like I have, whether it's a long weekend or a full-on vacation.
It is the perfect time to get the crew back together, and since 1975, Miller Lite has been the go-to way to stock the cooler and celebrate those moments. This year marks 50 years of Miller time.
50 years of great taste, great friends, and unforgettable memories. Brewed for flavor, with simple ingredients like malted barley,

it delivers rich, balanced toffee note flavor and that golden color that just hits different.

Miller Lite. Great taste.
96 calories.

Go to MillerLite.com slash Dan to find delivery options near you,

or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer.

Cheers to 50 years of Miller time.

Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.