Hour 1: The List About The List (feat. Pablo Torre)

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Speaker 17 I want to be excited about baseball as we head to October, but I feel like the feelings I used to have where NFL starts overtaking and it's happening earlier and earlier.

Speaker 17 Roger Goodell's getting his wish, but the preseason is getting underway starting tonight. Yeah.
And people are unnecessarily jacked up. And I'm not.

Speaker 14 I can't believe like the Hall of Fame game was what last week.

Speaker 14 And I mean, I can't spend any time watching that, but you see what the ratings were for the Hall of Fame, which is a dog shit game, all right? And people love it.

Speaker 19 Everyone's watching. It's crazy.

Speaker 17 It's out drawing the NBA. It's out drawing Major League Baseball.

Speaker 11 Like big games?

Speaker 17 Do you understand this? It's a Hall of Fame game.

Speaker 17 Which is a preseason game. And can we name who played? Chargers, Lions.

Speaker 17 I think that's who played and I think the Chargers blew him out I think Hall of Fame game can't name I don't think any starters played 6.9 million people watch that game side note only two Stanley Cup games hockey show Panthers guys

Speaker 17 only two Stanley Cup games drew more that's crazy

Speaker 11 I feel like it's got to be a like people are just kind of putting it on right people wanted to see Trey Lance man

Speaker 11 big game for him you just check in right people are not watching that game like they're watching the NHL final I don't care.

Speaker 20 I just can't believe

Speaker 10 it.

Speaker 17 You have to believe it.

Speaker 11 You just put it on, though. You just put it on.

Speaker 21 No, no, Chris is right about that.

Speaker 14 You're not sitting there on the edge of the couch locked in, but more people are casually watching that game than these other huge games.

Speaker 22 And he's like, right there is crazy.

Speaker 11 It's still interesting.

Speaker 17 It's crazy. NBA, there were two finals games that had

Speaker 17 two non-finals games with more, and that's it. And I think I have the stats right, but you can cross-check.

Speaker 17 The point is that preseason is something, and they're trying to get rid of it, which they should.

Speaker 17 But now, what everyone wants to talk about, and I have a slightly different thought on this, is the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 17 And I have, I don't know if you know this as, but my goal today, Thursday, my last day in the chair, was to see if I could see the veins on Mike Ryan.

Speaker 17 I just, that's what I've been looking for.

Speaker 14 Well, is Mike, like, are you still totally out on the Browns?

Speaker 13 Yes.

Speaker 23 Good for you, man.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 24 There was a way to be back in

Speaker 5 if Cam Ward got drafted by them.

Speaker 11 By the way, quick side note, I've noticed ESPN this morning and NFL Network yesterday, are we doing Cameron Ward?

Speaker 20 They're writing Cameron World.

Speaker 26 I heard that this morning.

Speaker 25 It seems to be his preference in the pros.

Speaker 17 Interesting. He's allowed to give that.
I assume it's like baseball where the players give the name they want and then you spread that to all of the stadiums and networks.

Speaker 20 Cam Ward is

Speaker 10 better.

Speaker 11 Someone should tell him. Yeah.

Speaker 17 Cameron. I think three syllables is always better.

Speaker 20 Cam Ward just slaps, though.

Speaker 11 That's just a cool name.

Speaker 17 I think you could just go with one name.

Speaker 17 But, Mike, I want to talk about the Browns because everyone seems to think there's a quarterback sitch because Sanders is starting the first game. And I am trying.

Speaker 17 I'm trying to get people onto my side, which is I want the Cleveland Browns to be the best team in football because I want the Haslams to wallow in Deshaun Watson and recognize the fact that he was the problem from day one, and I haven't been able to get there.

Speaker 17 But I think this is the year with Flacco, with Pickett, with Sanders, and with I think two others Gabriel I think my guy Tyler Huntley is in the mix again oh yeah Snoop yeah

Speaker 23 can I get you to watch the game no not really I'm locked in on Cam Ward though I like Baker and Cameron

Speaker 6 I want you to be worked up about it I want your no I think it's a very interesting hell of their own design so I'd like to discuss that but I see the the biggest media star of the summer is onboarded here on our show we have Pablo ready yeah he's ready Pablo

Speaker 17 Thank God you're here.

Speaker 11 We didn't get to see Mike's veins.

Speaker 31 I've been just waiting for the veins. He's been waiting for me.
Waiting for those varicose veins. Well, I guess.

Speaker 17 I don't think those are varicose veins. Those are just vein veins.
But Pablo, he's been worked up, but I assume that you can't focus on this because you are knee-deep finding stuff out.

Speaker 17 We gave you, there was applause in the room. When it was announced that you had a rumored seven-figure deal with the Atlantic.

Speaker 20 You're rich now.

Speaker 10 The Atlantic. The Athletic.

Speaker 10 Careful.

Speaker 31 Thanks.

Speaker 31 Hi, guys.

Speaker 12 Paulo, do you know how much we have to pay for these WWE pay-per-views or not? Like, what the hell's going on here?

Speaker 11 Find that out.

Speaker 31 I don't know what's going on over there. I just know that if you're to total my like now cable sports, not even cable, but just like sports watching budget, it's almost $1,000.

Speaker 31 I don't know how or what I'm getting. I just know that it's an insane amount.

Speaker 31 I also know, by the way, that this whole Cameron Ward thing reminds me of how I got scolded for trying to call Patrick Mahomes Pat Mahomes because he also wants to do the full thing, right?

Speaker 31 This is a thing.

Speaker 11 Patrick kind of slaps, though. Like Patrick Mahomes slaps like more than Pat Mahomes.

Speaker 17 Pablo, please do not go past what you did and what you're finding out because this has been the summer of you. And I'm just not willing to just talk about nonsense here.

Speaker 17 I want to talk about how you're preparing, how the launch is going to be with the athletic and the New York Times and whether we can expect continued, what exactly is the passion that drove you to this partnership and what can we expect?

Speaker 31 Thank you for genuinely asking a question. I'm in an offensive crouch because every time I do this show, I'm trying to figure out how to distract Dan into not insulting me.

Speaker 31 So. It's really exciting.
Look, it's an exciting thing because we are going to keep making this show at Meadowlark Media.

Speaker 31 Like, that's the most exciting thing is that the Athletic, the New York Times came to us at a meeting in the New York Times building, and they made it very clear that they want us to do this show exactly as we've been doing it, which involves taste testing athlete weed brands, which involves making butter sculptures of myself with Dan Lebetard's money.

Speaker 31 All of that stuff they enthusiastically want.

Speaker 31 And so the whole idea of what's changing is ideally for the audience, like nothing, except for the fact that we will now have access if we do this right, if we earn the trust of our partners at the New York Times and the Athletic, if we do that stuff right, we'll do even more ambitious investigations and even more ambitious episodes.

Speaker 31 And the upside for us is that we get to access, we get to launder, I would say,

Speaker 31 our

Speaker 31 brand of,

Speaker 31 you know, occasionally high journalism, highbrow, also lowbrow journalism, into an audience that is unfamiliar with us as of yet. And that's really exciting.

Speaker 31 So that's what's happening on September 4th. That's the first episode we'll be launching with, which is a,

Speaker 31 I mean, I don't want to spoil that episode. It's a big one.

Speaker 31 But yeah, I'm really, really, really, really excited and great.

Speaker 20 Can we help you with that one?

Speaker 17 Do you need help from Metalark or from Dan's show? What can we do to help you actually continue to grow and be great?

Speaker 31 I would say that for that episode, one of you in that room in Miami,

Speaker 31 one of you will be called upon one of you will be called upon I don't want to say anything more but one of you is very important says the episode can we vote for it to not be someone

Speaker 31 me

Speaker 17 I think it's about Kyle Stowers

Speaker 17 must be that was my fear I think that Pablo is going to launch with an entire local PTFO stour hours

Speaker 17 you're going to find out whether whether who is going to vote for Kyle Stowers' MVP we're pivoting we're pivoting to a Marlins podcast correct correct?

Speaker 31 That's what the New York Times has purchased.

Speaker 17 That's what they've demanded. Now, they didn't purchase it.
It's a license.

Speaker 31 Sorry, they purchased the right to license us.

Speaker 31 Yeah, and that's, by the way, people, I guess I'm sort of numb. Like, part of the journey for people who care about the journey of Metal Arc,

Speaker 31 in which I am on lots of calls, and I am also confused about what we're doing here.

Speaker 31 It's really cool to see an institution basically be like, whatever whatever you guys are up to, we want in on that. And that's why I've been wasting Dan's money, guys.

Speaker 31 This has been the game the whole time.

Speaker 31 I want an institution to buy the right to license something, which means for people who don't know what licensing is, it just means that they advertise, monetize, promote the show, but they don't own the show to David's very correct correction.

Speaker 31 It's an ideal sort of like rental of us with the promise of being long-term tenants and that's ideal i mean i was talking to somebody the other day about this trying to explain it because nobody knows what licensing is and i totally understand why and

Speaker 31 yeah the reaction is this is a best of both worlds kind of scenario where we give up none of the freedom but we have lots of upside and they likewise if we somehow regress into a kyle stauer centric podcast they can be like yeah this is a nice experiment we don't want to do this anymore and i would also understand uh pablo i have a question about meaningful journalism because you you did some meaningful journalism that actually brought about change.

Speaker 6 Why does that work in the sports world?

Speaker 28 But it doesn't work in real life.

Speaker 24 For example, yesterday, one of the richest CEOs in the world gave the president a literal piece of gold in exchange to be exempt from the president's whimsical tariff policy.

Speaker 18 Normally, that would be covered, but...

Speaker 26 It's not really.

Speaker 30 It just happens in front of cameras.

Speaker 6 Hell, the administration uses that opportunity as a press moment when in previous generations, this would be shameful.

Speaker 37 But you put out an episode and you see immediate shame and

Speaker 5 changes brought about because of it.

Speaker 27 Why doesn't it happen in real life anymore?

Speaker 31 I did love, by the way, the whole thing where Tim Cook,

Speaker 31 you know, head of the richest company in the world, I think, still,

Speaker 31 when he presents what Mike is not exaggerating, would just say a golden base with a whole like thing on top of it, much like what Gianni Infantino presented to him, by the way, for the Club World Cup.

Speaker 10 He's openly taking pale residents.

Speaker 31 He's openly like, look, it's very obvious. I think you just have to look at Donald Trump's face as he's smiling.
It's working. Like, the gift is working.
That's why everyone does it, is that it works.

Speaker 31 The thing I actually am glad that David is sitting in the chair for is this conversation because the argument for why Tim Cook should do this, of course, is not anything related to

Speaker 31 some moral anything.

Speaker 31 It's that he has a fiduciary duty to the shareholders of Apple to do stuff that works. And the quid pro quo works.

Speaker 31 It is absolutely, David, something that will make Apple more profitable, which is why everyone does it.

Speaker 17 And you're super happy if you're an Apple shareholder. Super duper happy as you're looking at your ROI and you're looking at how your stock has grown.

Speaker 17 And Mike, I think that this should be Vain worthy. There are gifts that are given to kings all the time.
And it's been going on for hundreds of years. Kings.
I said that word purposefully.

Speaker 35 Yeah, but we're not a monarchy.

Speaker 17 Well, there's 80 million people who disagree with you that they elected this person. No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 10 Yes, no, no, no.

Speaker 26 That is a fallacy.

Speaker 30 And I hate it when my Republican friends do this, that this is the will of the people.

Speaker 34 This is not.

Speaker 30 This is the will of Project 25, which he expressly said he had nothing to do with.

Speaker 1 And then they just go with the lie.

Speaker 39 This is not what he ran on.

Speaker 37 It's not.

Speaker 30 Hell, even even the thing that is closest to what he ran on was a lie because it's not violent criminals and gang members.

Speaker 34 So I don't understand why we're just willingly, and it's not by coincidence that habeas corpus is removed from the Constitution and it's not a finger coding error.

Speaker 38 All right.

Speaker 40 It's not any of that.

Speaker 39 It's happening right in front of you.

Speaker 37 And because you're ignorant and you want to refuse to admit that you were wrong, you don't want to capitulate, you're literally going to turn into a monarchy.

Speaker 33 I I got the veins Pablo yeah can you see it yeah they're as I say they're varicose it's that they're still not varicose I can see all of them they're they're protruding but nobody seems to give a shit they've effectively flooded the zone I mean what's happening like the world's most notorious human trafficker just gets moved to a minimum security prison

Speaker 43 To Maxwell?

Speaker 24 Yes.

Speaker 10 Wait, what did you call her?

Speaker 27 The most infamous living human trafficker.

Speaker 17 I thought you meant like the best.

Speaker 40 No, the most infamous.

Speaker 42 No.

Speaker 31 Do we want to power rank? Can we get a top five human traffickers?

Speaker 10 David, you got that.

Speaker 2 But it's happening right in front of people.

Speaker 34 And it runs counter to the promises that were made on the campaign trail.

Speaker 33 And yet the base just goes along with it.

Speaker 31 Why is it?

Speaker 27 We know that Democrats are going to be angry.

Speaker 33 We'ren't Republicans.

Speaker 31 Well, this is a so the question that you originated was a good one. Like, why does this matter in sports, but not in politics?

Speaker 31 And I think the answer is in the ability for shame to be a guardrail, however fleeting, by the way. I wouldn't say that the NFLPA currently is covering itself in glory.

Speaker 31 And spoiler alert, I'm still reporting on that story in terms of how they are handling the regime change. But there was a regime change.

Speaker 31 And there was somebody in the character of Lloyd Howell who was like, this is too much for me. I'm not built for this.
I am, in fact, built not different.

Speaker 31 I don't want this. Trump has certainly this bed of nails phenomenon where he can just handle everything and the more scandals, the less pain is inflicted.
The thing though, the thing about like, okay,

Speaker 31 what matters, like the Jeffrey Epstein thing, I was just having this debate last night with some very smart people. And the thing I argue is not that we finally got him.

Speaker 31 We finally got the thing that Elon Musk.

Speaker 31 was not when it came to like, ooh, his betrayal is going to be the real death knell or the convictions, which were obviously something that he wriggled out of and nobody cares.

Speaker 31 The reason why is because I think

Speaker 31 when you run a campaign premised on the number one problem in America that they're not telling you about is pedophilia and the deep state is what's enabling it.

Speaker 31 And then you become the deep state and now you're like the pedophilia thing, not a big deal. You lose those anti-political people.
who don't care about politics, who you got into your coalition.

Speaker 31 And this is, by the way, this is Joe Rogan. This is Andrew Schultz.
This is, I mean, go down the line, right? These are Theo Vaughn. These are the people who are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 31 This feels like a bridge too far in terms of what our capacity to

Speaker 31 swallow

Speaker 31 is going to allow. And that...
That sensitivity to his base, I think, is why Trump is acting so weirdly about this. I don't know what's in the files yet,

Speaker 31 but

Speaker 31 I do know that he is behaving in a way that suggests he is afraid of his base turning on him because of it.

Speaker 31 And that to me, he's always had a good read on his base, and he's seeing these manosphere, quote-unquote, I hate that term, but those guys being like, eh,

Speaker 31 this is too much. And that to me is interesting as a signal.

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Speaker 17 I'm just going to go on record, and I'm happy to go on record today, at this moment, that if Pablo Torrey finds out what's in the Epstein files and that he needs one of us in the room, and that's the first episode, who's the volunteer?

Speaker 17 Who's there?

Speaker 10 Who do you got?

Speaker 23 I don't think anyone will care.

Speaker 27 We've passed the tipping point.

Speaker 38 There is clear and obvious upfront corruption and bribes happening in front of everybody's face.

Speaker 38 Like the Maxwell leaks yesterday, coordinated as they were, that that she reportedly didn't have anything bad to say about Donald Trump.

Speaker 5 What a kawinki, Dink, as Donald Trump's former personal attorney goes and meets with her two weeks ago, and she's moved to a federal, a minimum security federal prison.

Speaker 35 This is overt. This is clear as day.

Speaker 26 These aren't context clues.

Speaker 46 This is playing out right in front of you.

Speaker 39 The president gets to say in front of a microphone, oh, I know nothing about that.

Speaker 33 Really?

Speaker 33 That defies all logic.

Speaker 34 And plus, he's lied several times about it.

Speaker 40 The files were made up.

Speaker 18 They were made, they're not actually real.

Speaker 26 They're on someone's desk. None of this matters.

Speaker 33 And I just, we're well beyond the tipping point of it ever mattering.

Speaker 26 Now, there have been societal shifts.

Speaker 30 I don't want to discount us from ever turning around from this.

Speaker 5 I think we can, but.

Speaker 37 AI makes everything way more difficult.

Speaker 24 The rules that they put in place to really tear down the Republic makes it harder to climb out from.

Speaker 39 And it seems like we're further away than ever.

Speaker 11 No, I think they'll care. I'll do it.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I'll be there.

Speaker 17 Yeah,

Speaker 17 Pablo, you got at least three deep people who want to be part of that episode.

Speaker 33 Look, the NFLPA head.

Speaker 31 You want to be on the list about the list.

Speaker 12 I was going to say, it sounds like you're going to reveal the list. And when you said it involves someone here, it's like, whoa, someone's on the list about the list.

Speaker 31 No, this is the list about the Epstein list.

Speaker 27 Where's Joe?

Speaker 36 He's been on vacation too long.

Speaker 4 I need Joe to talk me down.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Joe.
Who's Mika? Harbor.

Speaker 39 I hate you, guys.

Speaker 42 Can you find out where they've been?

Speaker 31 I'm in the green room. Joe was on the show today.

Speaker 42 Was? What?

Speaker 40 Was he tan?

Speaker 29 He better be tan.

Speaker 18 That better be a nice voice.

Speaker 31 We're all tanner than we'd otherwise be in the moment.

Speaker 36 How can anyone go on vacation during a time like this?

Speaker 42 Where's Dan?

Speaker 31 Can I briefly point out a couple of things?

Speaker 31 Cortez, who is who is texting me as a producer, Pablitori finds out some important information because people have been wondering, do we need to subscribe to anything? Is stuff going to be paywalled?

Speaker 31 What is happening? And so to be very clear, podcasts still given to you for free. YouTube videos, full episodes given to you for free.

Speaker 31 You should subscribe to the New York Times and the Athletic for lots of good reasons, but that's not because you must do that to listen and watch us.

Speaker 31 So just to clarify again, we're not going to make you pay for anything, although you can.

Speaker 31 pay for subscribers to my sub stack in which we'll give you exclusive content and like meetups and stuff and I'll make it worth your while you can be on a list about the list about the list, even.

Speaker 31 You can be bold about who should be on the list.

Speaker 11 You're going to make it worth my while.

Speaker 12 Pay your sub stack to know where to meet you.

Speaker 31 Well, how do we get

Speaker 31 information people?

Speaker 10 How do we get red zone?

Speaker 4 How much am I paying for WWE now?

Speaker 17 Careful here, Pablo. I'm just begging you to be careful.

Speaker 31 I don't know what you guys have been doing today.

Speaker 11 Trying to figure out

Speaker 23 crashing out.

Speaker 12 We launched Kylie's Towers MVP candidacy, and Adnan Virk laughed at Jerry.

Speaker 14 I'm just counting down the hours to go see weapons tomorrow.

Speaker 17 It's been a day of questions.

Speaker 17 And Pablo, I would say that we've got one more question for you because your time has to be limited because you're saying that everything's for free.

Speaker 17 I would like to point out to Billy and Mike, his podcast, Pablo Terry Finds Out, you don't have to pay for it. Easy to find.
He just said that.

Speaker 17 But you guys are all up in arms about it.

Speaker 12 He's talking about red zone still, man.

Speaker 17 Well, I'm tired of it.

Speaker 12 Do I have to pay for red zone?

Speaker 1 No one knows.

Speaker 17 They've been losing their minds about what they're paying for and so totally begrudging, paying for quality, where I have a totally different view that I would pay for your podcast.

Speaker 17 And maybe that makes me different, but all of your loyal listeners who are finding shit out, I would pay for it.

Speaker 10 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 14 That's a good title of the show. Pablo Torre finds shit out.

Speaker 12 He's fairly interesting to what he's finding out every day. Pablo, I was also called an elitist because I said five below should remain below $5 and they shouldn't sell anything above that.

Speaker 31 Ooh, yeah. See, I have a, I mean, this is obviously the dollar store argument.
Like, why are you, what are we doing here? That's what we have. 99 cents store.

Speaker 17 But why can't the dollar store have stuff at different price points?

Speaker 47 I mean,

Speaker 11 and change the name of your store.

Speaker 31 How is this even an argument? Like, what are we doing here?

Speaker 17 Does thrifty rent a car always charge fewer dollars than Hertz and Avis and Enterprise?

Speaker 20 You show them a better offer, they'll beat it.

Speaker 17 Well, that's fast Eddie.

Speaker 17 That's very normal in the industry that if you can beat an offer, a matching offer, these are all normal. But it doesn't matter what the name of the company is.

Speaker 17 Just because it's dollar store doesn't mean everything has to be a dollar.

Speaker 11 David, if the store is called Everything Here Costs a Dollar, I just kind of expect that.

Speaker 31 That's just all we're saying. Listen,

Speaker 31 it's probably appropriate that the name of my show,

Speaker 31 thank you, David, is Pollatory Finds Out, and I make it a point to find stuff out. The name of David's show is nothing personal.
He subscribe and everything is personal.

Speaker 31 So I guess there is a through line in his approach to Titus.

Speaker 12 And the name of this show is the Dan Levittard show with Stugats and neither have been here for quite some time.

Speaker 17 Listen, I happen to just say that the name, it's the whole wine label argument that we had when Jeremy wasn't here and he was oiling his arms.

Speaker 17 That you have to, in every way possible, understand the products you're getting and then what you're willing to pay for that product. And you have to be willing to pay for stuff.
It's why we work.

Speaker 17 It's why we earn money to spend on the stuff that we want. And I'm not embarrassed to say that I want Pablo Torrey finds out twice a week, three times a week.

Speaker 17 Are you doing three times a week with a new deal or is it more?

Speaker 31 We're doing three times a week.

Speaker 31 But again, if you subscribe to my sub stack, I'm going to do some stuff that's exclusive to those subscribers in which, yeah, I'll do maybe a fourth episode in a given week just for that.

Speaker 17 I do subscribe to your sub stack. I am a paid subscriber to your sub stack.

Speaker 16 Thank you.

Speaker 14 Pablo, do you have a list of all the things that you want to find out?

Speaker 31 Yes.

Speaker 20 Like, how long is that list currently right now?

Speaker 31 So, now Zaz is getting to what I'm here to talk about. So, I think this is hard to see because my notes app is...
There's an app. Hold on, let me find the part I can show you that is

Speaker 31 seeable because I have an ideas.

Speaker 14 Well, what are you afraid to just hold up and show us? You got something shady going on there?

Speaker 20 Well, if you screen copyright, then you can't do it.

Speaker 31 I'm gonna make it so far back that you can't really see it. Copyright, but just look at.
I'm just gonna scroll.

Speaker 38 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 We can't really see the phone, so you have like the blur feature, I think, on your

Speaker 12 phone. We can't really see anything.

Speaker 20 It's totally working, probably.

Speaker 12 We can't tell you're in a blue room either because everything's blurred back there.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 31 Hold on, let me see if I can.

Speaker 31 It's called that a green room.

Speaker 31 It is a green room. Yeah, Zaz, it's a good idea.

Speaker 31 It's all written down, and I'll get to it eventually.

Speaker 14 Like, how many would you guess that you have?

Speaker 31 I want to show you the scroll bar.

Speaker 32 Uh, hold on.

Speaker 31 Oh, God, I don't want to. I can't show it.
It's just so it's you know how you do Instagram stories sometimes, and you're like, that person posted way too many stories.

Speaker 31 Yes, and it's like the size of the screen.

Speaker 22 Sure, sure.

Speaker 31 That's the size of the scroll bar on my notes app.

Speaker 31 A lot of ideas across the top. I got look, the thing that, and I'm so glad that David has been

Speaker 31 has been recently, and I so genuinely appreciate it, been a champion of PTFO and our staff and all people who make it. And by the way, this is so much about me getting help from people.

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Speaker 31 The reason I say all of this is because

Speaker 31 when it comes to like how we make the show, yeah, like it, it, it,

Speaker 31 man,

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Speaker 17 I'm not even saying sentences right now.

Speaker 31 I'm not even saying sentences because I'm trying to avoid what I think is important to convey, which is that we are actively investigating things that the federal government is also investigating.

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Speaker 17 Well, while you're thinking about whether or not I can find that out, I think Mike may have a top five for you.

Speaker 10 Yeah, top five. That's a good one.

Speaker 6 top five pitches that uh i have for pablo tore finds out oh yeah

Speaker 40 number five

Speaker 24 is nick sabin a paid lobbyist

Speaker 31 easy to find out it was very funny when he was asked like so you're on this commission right this trump asked you're on this commission he was like

Speaker 31 no

Speaker 25 He is, and he's speaking before Congress, and he has a lot of gravitas to him, and he is speaking and espousing these virtues on cable TV's biggest college football studio show and he has never been asked on camera as to whether or not he's a paid lobbyist because he should disclose that because no one on that show is really presenting a counter argument and the machine just keeps going.

Speaker 20 It's public, Mike.

Speaker 6 I would like to know if he's if he's a paid lobby.

Speaker 26 I know he's certainly a lobbyist because he is lobbying Congress on behalf of the old guard.

Speaker 30 But I would like to know if he's being compensated for it.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 28 Conventionally or with some other concessions down the line.

Speaker 31 That's a good idea. I mean, look, Derek Dooley is running for senate.
Tommy Tuberville's an actual senator. These are not ridiculous questions to ask.

Speaker 40 Number four.

Speaker 27 Number four, Max Struss.

Speaker 10 10 minutes after he hit a three-pointer, they changed the score

Speaker 22 in the Eastern Conference final. Finally.

Speaker 46 Ten minutes later.

Speaker 42 Finally. We had never seen anything like that.

Speaker 14 Potentially cost me a third championship ring, Pablo.

Speaker 34 We haven't seen anything like it since.

Speaker 37 The source was, just trust me, bro, there hasn't been a single image of Max Streuss's heel actually touching out of bounds.

Speaker 14 Bullshit!

Speaker 46 Jimmy Butler should have been driving to the lane with a tie game and just dunking for a go-ahead bucket.

Speaker 37 They changed history.

Speaker 35 This was the score that existed in a game for 10 minutes, and then Mike Breen explained to us just out of the blue: League officers decided he was out of bounds, even though we have no evidence to actually support that.

Speaker 46 We've never seen anything like it since.

Speaker 14 I'd be a three-time champion broadcaster.

Speaker 17 That's Vericose Veins.

Speaker 17 Pablo,

Speaker 17 does that interest you in any way?

Speaker 31 It is interesting. It's also interesting that

Speaker 31 Mike Breen

Speaker 31 is Lorne Michaels.

Speaker 10 Number three.

Speaker 10 Rick Riley.

Speaker 42 Where is he?

Speaker 27 Where is he now? I mean, he signed a deal.

Speaker 33 It seemed like a bad deal.

Speaker 23 He was like the biggest writer in America.

Speaker 26 And then he joined the biggest brand, and it just never worked out.

Speaker 33 And he just went away.

Speaker 39 And I don't know what's happening to him.

Speaker 35 Is he still on the payroll? I was going to say Sports by Brooks, but then he came out and he kind of revealed that he's like a history buff now.

Speaker 27 So I settled on Rick Riley.

Speaker 31 So Sportsbuy Brooks was DMing me the other day, and it was such a delight to hear from Sportsby Brooks, who is a history buff and has lots of thoughts about sports and history and politics now.

Speaker 31 I used to go to his site for the boobs. I'll admit that now.

Speaker 31 He has pivoted.

Speaker 14 You say that as if that wasn't all of us, Pablo.

Speaker 31 I just remember like the sidebar of his site was just like a list of JPEGs, basically. And I clicked.
I did click. Rick Riley was, for those too too young to remember,

Speaker 31 one of the great long form writers before he was the preeminent sports columnist, back page magazine columnist, at least, in America. He was incredible.

Speaker 31 An incredible.

Speaker 31 Read the story about Marge Schott, the former Cincinnati Reds owner that Rick Riley wrote. It's just one of the most fun skilled pieces of writing in any genre, anywhere.

Speaker 31 And I have no idea where he is now.

Speaker 20 But why is Mike worked up?

Speaker 17 Why are you worked up about that?

Speaker 35 I want to find out. Yeah, it's a mystery.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 27 Pablo,

Speaker 25 you might have done this episode.

Speaker 26 And I'd be very embarrassed. I don't listen to all the episodes.
I try to.

Speaker 10 I try to.

Speaker 30 Did you do an episode on the yips?

Speaker 31 We at ESPN Daily did an episode about the Yips. Have not done our PTFO treatment of the Yips.

Speaker 31 It's... I mean, look, it's self-evidently fascinating, right? It's called White Line Disease.
I'm sure David has encountered someone with the Yips in his capacity as executive of a baseball team.

Speaker 31 It's been called all sorts of euphemisms.

Speaker 31 It is real. It is something that manifests most prominently in golf and basketball and Ben Simmons at the free throw line.
It's a real thing.

Speaker 20 It's a real thing.

Speaker 17 I thought the Yips were solely baseball in terms of where the name came from.

Speaker 20 It's happened in golf.

Speaker 17 It happens in other sports, but I thought the name Yips was baseball generated. I'd like to see the

Speaker 25 PTFO treatment on it. My backup for that was NASCAR charters, but

Speaker 31 I've been pitching that privately for years.

Speaker 17 We did enough.

Speaker 31 I see a lot of NASCAR NASCAR ideas.

Speaker 42 And number one,

Speaker 8 Spanish tax laws.

Speaker 30 The game's biggest icons in both coaching and playing have all been pinched by the Spanish government.

Speaker 27 And initially, it's been reported like they're going to serve jail time, yet they never do.

Speaker 34 Why does nobody ever pay their taxes in Spain?

Speaker 5 Why do they always get penalized, but not really?

Speaker 18 I'm talking Ronaldo, Messi, Jose Mourinho, Carlo Anchilotti.

Speaker 26 This happens to everybody over there. There's always some kind of felonious scandal when it comes to taxes, and I don't understand it.

Speaker 39 I'd like to find out why.

Speaker 31 Do you want to be the correspondent on that one?

Speaker 39 No, I don't have, I have nothing to offer other than like, this is happening.

Speaker 17 Well, correspondents go and find out stuff. They go correspond.

Speaker 27 No, that's what he's there.

Speaker 21 I got this job. He's got that job.

Speaker 17 No, you understand that he has the other people do the job and then he gets the credit i i happen to know that pablo tore does a fair amount of sleuthing whoa you wait i do some sleuthing especially spain

Speaker 31 if it's spain

Speaker 31 there's another there is another episode that's taking me to spain sometime in the next year um

Speaker 31 that i am actively i've been reporting as long as i've been reporting any story i might make a pit stop for tax law while i'm over there it's a good idea honeymoon of belichek and jordan is it will it be in spain Jordan.

Speaker 17 Jordan, excuse me. Thank you.

Speaker 31 I don't believe that they are engaged, despite the fact that Bill Belichick's boat has been renamed Nine Rings or whatever it is. I don't believe that that is the case.

Speaker 31 But my investigation into that continues.

Speaker 17 Not an accident.

Speaker 38 I'm going to stroke you real quick.

Speaker 6 You've had an Adrian Beltra contract here. You've had a big-time summer.

Speaker 6 You dominated sports pop culture with the Belichick thing, and then the NFLPA thing was, honestly, you may win awards for that journalism there.

Speaker 38 You have this new partnership.

Speaker 4 I know you, and I know you like being talked about.

Speaker 6 So, you're going to try to tommy top yourself, but how do you?

Speaker 31 September 4th,

Speaker 31 one of you is going to help me top myself. And I don't mean that in the way that some of you may already presume is disgusting and graphic, despite the fact that you are on a list about the list.

Speaker 31 Not the same list, not the same top, but we are going to tommy top ourselves.

Speaker 17 Pablo, thank you. It's Pablo Torrey finds out and Metalark, it's a victory for Metal Arc.
It's a victory for everyone in this room, everyone listening to this show.

Speaker 17 And they're still doing shows three times a week, but starting September 4th, it will be associated with the athletic and the New York Times.

Speaker 17 Pablo Torrey, see, this is how it can go when we're all nice to each other.

Speaker 31 You know what?

Speaker 31 I just want to say thank you, Dan, for letting me waste your money and then hopefully waste less of your money, even though you're never at the show that you host. Thank you.

Speaker 12 Wow, Zaz.

Speaker 14 I'm just, I'm trying to figure out who's the person that's going to be on the list that's going to be about the list.

Speaker 17 I, according to Mike, it doesn't matter because everyone knows who's on the list.

Speaker 17 Mike, apparently, your point of view is that you know that the list is the list.

Speaker 39 I mean, we know he's in the files. It's obvious it's in the file.

Speaker 26 He's in the files.

Speaker 21 It's been reported by reputable. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 14 But

Speaker 42 he was saying that we have to hold people accountable for being in the files.

Speaker 17 I just want to know who else is in the files.

Speaker 19 And then you always hear, well, then why didn't Biden release the files?

Speaker 35 And then I have to explain that the files were sealed. And then someone who is very stupid looks back at me and says, why does that matter?

Speaker 46 And I'm like, well, before

Speaker 33 the division between the executive branch and the Department of Justice used to matter.

Speaker 39 But they don't understand that because they're stupid.

Speaker 17 Do you know the three branches of government?

Speaker 18 Judicial,

Speaker 5 executive,

Speaker 28 and I think Pat Riley and Nick Harrison oversee the third.

Speaker 4 But there's like a power struggle, I think.

Speaker 23 Ooh, Pablo should find out about that. Yeah.

Speaker 17 You think that Nick Harrison is involved somehow in the legislative branch?

Speaker 25 No, I was making a joke to move the show on.

Speaker 17 Why would it?

Speaker 17 I don't want to move on from your insanity about this. I feel for you.

Speaker 23 The one that Marjorie Taylor Greene's a part of.

Speaker 10 Oh, that side. Yeah.

Speaker 36 The one that represents the best of us.

Speaker 17 I will move on from that. I'm glad we had Pablo.
That was the thing, Zaz, the whole process of getting that deal done and figuring out sort of the best place for Pablo Torrey Finds Out.

Speaker 14 So he had a bunch of options.

Speaker 17 It's Pablo Torre Finds Out. People wanted to find out with him.
Go for him.

Speaker 20 Go for him.

Speaker 17 And so the reason why the athletic makes sense is it's just, as they said in that press release, that's a press release where we all knew what to do.

Speaker 17 So I don't know why people thought like, oh, is it paid or not paid? Is it still free?

Speaker 14 Well, I mean, he explained it there. He did a very clear and concise job of explaining this is what it costs, which is nothing, and you could still get it available here.

Speaker 14 See, I understood how to get it.

Speaker 11 They released the story, and he's like, oh, there was one question, and here's the answer to that question. It was very nice.

Speaker 17 So, my commitment going forward is to try to demystify some of these press releases like we do on Nothing Personal, because there are some press releases that are ridiculous and ask more questions than they answer.

Speaker 17 But Pablo's one, which was worked on by a lot of people, was very clear. And I'm personally excited for September 4th.

Speaker 14 Any idea what that episode's gonna be?

Speaker 18 Very secret.

Speaker 17 If he's, he just said that he's investigating the files. He also said he's got more on the NFLPA.
Did you hear him say that? I'm looking for context clues, Mike.

Speaker 17 Lots of context clues because you tell me that that's what I miss often on and off the air. So he said something about NFL PA.
Who was left to kill at the NFLPA?

Speaker 30 I mean, there's new.

Speaker 25 There was a mission statement sent out. There's new leadership already.

Speaker 17 So he's going to take down the new leadership after taking down the old leadership?

Speaker 23 I don't know.

Speaker 6 I don't know what Pablo's going to do.

Speaker 12 Someone here knows because someone's going to be involved in that episode. I presumably that person knows already.
Yeah, it's you.

Speaker 27 Because we all talked. It's none of us.

Speaker 30 It can't be me.

Speaker 10 It has to be you. Definitely not going to be true.

Speaker 42 It's nobody you know.

Speaker 40 It's you.

Speaker 17 You think that everyone is telling you the truth?

Speaker 23 Do you think you're credible enough?

Speaker 17 It's me.

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