Local Hour: Mike's Gasket Gets Blown

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Speaker 21 What an opportunity for me right now, Zaz. It's right here in front of me today, Thursday.
I could go any direction I want because we're in the chair.

Speaker 21 We could talk about football, unbelievable games, preseason, no one cares. I could talk about the Marlins, talk about baseball, it's local.
Or, or I could play into Mike Ryan.

Speaker 5 Let's hear it. Well, what do we got then?

Speaker 21 I think I want to play into Mike Ryan because he's been, we had him on Nothing Personal. He was a guest on Nothing Personal.

Speaker 5 Oh, was he better than me? I had a good appearance Tuesday, Mike. Did you top me? I did.
I don't like being topped.

Speaker 21 You were bottomed.

Speaker 5 Oh, man. I mean.

Speaker 21 Because he gave us scoop. Really? I mean, tremendous scoop.
It turns out that Messi is coming back to Inter Miami on a 10-year deal for $100 million a year.

Speaker 5 Mike was so coy about it yesterday.

Speaker 5 You wouldn't give us anything yesterday.

Speaker 24 I don't know if he's going to sign or not.

Speaker 25 I know that.

Speaker 26 Like I explained to David on nothing personal.

Speaker 16 Last year it was easier to scoop folks because the scoop was that Inner Miami was a very serious contender.

Speaker 30 Now everyone knows that, and all that's missing is Messi to agree.

Speaker 21 10 years.

Speaker 32 Not 10 years.

Speaker 27 I mean, he's just making stuff up.

Speaker 5 Play till he's almost 50. It's going to look kind of rough.

Speaker 33 I don't think so.

Speaker 34 I think he'd be like damn good at 50.

Speaker 35 Confirm then.

Speaker 21 Why can't you just give us the story then?

Speaker 30 I don't know if he's going to sign with Inner Miami.

Speaker 26 If I had to make a prediction on it,

Speaker 30 this is not a report.

Speaker 33 This is.

Speaker 38 This is a spoiler.

Speaker 39 This is not a spoiler either.

Speaker 25 It's not Paula Heyman.

Speaker 16 I don't know if he's going to sign or not, but if I had to guess, I'd say it's more likely than not that he re-ups within Miami.

Speaker 20 Okay,

Speaker 41 no, don't do that to me.

Speaker 42 That's more likely. That's just.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, look at me. Confirming that that's your take.
That it's more, you think it's more likely than not.

Speaker 21 Look at going with that.

Speaker 5 Look at me, Mike. All right.

Speaker 5 If he's going to sign within Termiami, don't blink.

Speaker 22 Blinked.

Speaker 21 I tell you this, the whole blink, no blink, it never works.

Speaker 5 Oh, I think it just worked, baby.

Speaker 21 You can't not blink.

Speaker 2 That's why you always say blink if this is what's going to happen, because they're going to inevitably blink.

Speaker 21 So that means everything's always just going to happen.

Speaker 2 Well, if you want confirmation on what you want to report, just say that and you're like, oh, Mike confirmed it.

Speaker 2 Don't blame me. Don't shoot the messenger.
Mike blinked.

Speaker 21 I wanted to beat my kids in everything when they were growing up. Every time we played War or Battleship, I didn't care.
I wanted to win every game.

Speaker 21 I couldn't win the, and you have to play it with your kid at one point or another. It's the blink, the non, the staring contest.
First one to blink.

Speaker 21 I assume if you have kids, you played it with your kids. Of course.

Speaker 21 I can't win those. You're bad at it.

Speaker 5 I have to blink.

Speaker 2 You can't hold in your blinks.

Speaker 21 I can hold in a lot of stuff. I can't hold in my blinks.
I've never been able to.

Speaker 1 Top five things you can hold in?

Speaker 21 Right now, it's obviously my duodenum.

Speaker 43 That's the number one.

Speaker 21 You start and end with that. If you can control that, then you are victory.
Number two, I can hold in my opinions.

Speaker 21 This is going up

Speaker 21 significantly.

Speaker 5 Usually we go for dramatic effect five to one, but this is different.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 21 Well, this came out of nowhere.

Speaker 6 All right.

Speaker 21 This wasn't part of the prep.

Speaker 21 Number three. Number three,

Speaker 21 I can hold my tongue.

Speaker 21 Do you want to see how you do it? It's not the circular tongue. Anyone can do that.

Speaker 1 Color me intrigued.

Speaker 21 Okay, holding your tongue.

Speaker 21 Keep your tongue. You don't let your your

Speaker 21 tongue come outside of your mouth.

Speaker 44 Exactly. And it's hard to talk that way.

Speaker 1 It's difficult.

Speaker 21 Number four,

Speaker 21 I can hold my girlfriend's pocketbook.

Speaker 21 I have no problem doing that. I get away with it.

Speaker 1 I still call it a pocketbook.

Speaker 21 What do you call it?

Speaker 19 I think it's a problem.

Speaker 1 A wallet, a purse. Pocketbook is what my grandma calls her same

Speaker 5 pocketbook. Unless your girlfriend's 90.
I think it's a purse.

Speaker 21 Opposite of 90. Not 9, I guess that's not.

Speaker 2 I think it's not 90.

Speaker 19 It's

Speaker 45 not opposite.

Speaker 21 I would like to, Juju, put that on the poll. Is it not, does everyone now hold a pocketbook or a purse?

Speaker 1 Do over-under of age of people that say pocketbook. I think you could put that pretty high and that'll come in.

Speaker 5 75, I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 Over 75 or older?

Speaker 21 I'm not 75 or older.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, I think people would vote that most people who say it are 75 or older.

Speaker 21 So I am comfortable holding her pocketbook, but not my own. I don't do a a merse.
I don't hold the merse, never have, but I do cargo pants instead.

Speaker 5 The pocketbook age probably skews a little bit younger if you're Jewish, right?

Speaker 45 I always was

Speaker 45 a poor. No, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 I think so. Confirmant.
Yeah.

Speaker 21 So that, yeah, do we put that as part of the poll? Confirmant.

Speaker 21 Is there a side poll? And the last thing that I can hold is I can hold a conversation.

Speaker 21 And we are about to have one because Mike has had a day, a day where he's been, he started this morning very early for me,

Speaker 21 which was nice. But he's been very incensed about the WWE who made a big announcement yesterday and then clarified the announcement because they got it wrong.
So all the talk we had yesterday.

Speaker 5 It's been confusing because I'm way into the deal too, obviously.

Speaker 5 It's a little confusing what I'm going to have to pay is what we're talking about here.

Speaker 21 The $29.99 that we talked on the show yesterday that you got to go out of pocket, apparently you want WWE. You don't need the $29.99.
I thought it was wrong.

Speaker 5 But, Mike,

Speaker 5 you're questioning whether or not that's actually the case.

Speaker 20 Yes, because the press releases were wrong and the initial reports were wrong.

Speaker 34 And as of right, it was initially reported that if you have YouTube TV, and I know Ariel Hawani is very plugged into WWE. He said on his show: if you have YouTube TV, you're good.

Speaker 48 That's not the case right now.

Speaker 39 That deal points will have to be worked out.

Speaker 4 I have YouTube TV and Xfinity.

Speaker 49 Right now, I'm not grandfathered in.

Speaker 29 I don't know if my current bundle plan for ESPN, Disney, plus Hulu gets me that.

Speaker 30 I don't know if I'm paying extra.

Speaker 5 You see, by the way, Disney Plus and Hulu are merging.

Speaker 51 Yeah, it was already fully integrated.

Speaker 52 I know how this ends.

Speaker 53 It ends with me losing and paying more.

Speaker 51 That's how it always does.

Speaker 38 That's how it always ends. I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 It doesn't end with a bargain. I can't remember.

Speaker 26 It doesn't end with me paying the same amount that I'm paying right now to be able to enjoy the same thing.

Speaker 39 That's not how this business works.

Speaker 1 I can't remember a story that I've read more about that I know less about. Like, I've read multiple articles and I still have no clue.

Speaker 32 I'm with you.

Speaker 2 I have Hulu Plus live TV, but Hulu's going away. So now my TV's going away.
So do I sign on to Disney to do that? And then they're like, well, that'll be integrated into Fubu or Fubo.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, so now do I need to go to Fubo? Do I need to get clothing wear from the 1990s? Like what the hell's going on here?

Speaker 2 So like, I think now I need to go to Fubo that's owned by Disney, but then Fubo carries my RSNs, but didn't have a bundle with Disney Plus.

Speaker 2 So now do I have to have a Disney Plus subscription, even though they're owned by Disney. And now do I get my RSNs RSNs back? So then do I cancel that subscription?

Speaker 2 And what the hell do I do about red zone? Because that's still very unclear to me.

Speaker 21 So it appears that what you're all angry about, and we tried to cover this yesterday, is what the facts are.

Speaker 21 I thought where Mike was going is he was upset not about whether he's going to get it or not, but the fact that you could do a release that could be that unclear, that wrong, and done as a result of the ESPN NFL release.

Speaker 21 They wanted to get that done so people started to see value in the DTC, but then they had to announce, wait a minute, we don't want to make people pay for the DTC.

Speaker 5 It's 27 hours later at this point since the release came out, and I think we're all still pretty unsure of what's going on.

Speaker 55 I'm more confused now than I was when the release first came out.

Speaker 5 Well, because when the release first came out, I think we thought, oh, wow, we got to pay $29.99 a month. Now we're not sure if that's the case.

Speaker 55 Guys, I've never understood this new standalone service ESPN is standing up because in my mind, they already do have one of these.

Speaker 5 That's what I thought.

Speaker 38 I don't understand.

Speaker 34 I thought I had that.

Speaker 30 I don't understand that.

Speaker 21 You're talking ESPN Plus?

Speaker 56 Yeah.

Speaker 39 Yeah, but there's like a different service that they're trying to stand up that this and Red Zone are a part of.

Speaker 35 I thought I had that. I thought it was ESPN.

Speaker 19 I thought I did too.

Speaker 25 I don't think I don't know if I have that or not.

Speaker 16 The messaging is so bad, and these companies have come out and announced these things before they've been approved.

Speaker 58 Remember, ESPN, HBO, and Fox were all getting together and they had already announced it.

Speaker 16 They even had a name for it. And then it's not happening.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah, it's going to be like some super channel, you know? Right.

Speaker 41 Right.

Speaker 16 But then what ends up happening is, no, we're just going to keep doing our own thing.

Speaker 39 And instead of bundling this all together, which by the way, would have been a new service, anyways. What happens to your existing service?

Speaker 16 Those are still around too. You pay for those too if you want to watch Maxion.

Speaker 16 You pay for this if you want to watch wrestling.

Speaker 6 I don't, this sucks.

Speaker 39 Yeah. This really sucks.

Speaker 6 And also, for these services, for you to get all the games, you also need to have cable too.

Speaker 4 I knew this was going to happen to the industry.

Speaker 29 They were going to find a way to con us.

Speaker 51 Everybody was talking about cord cutting and how ESPN was in big trouble because now people are going to be paying for stuff that

Speaker 59 it was baked into the business plan.

Speaker 52 People were paying for ESPN when they weren't watching it.

Speaker 5 Now I'm paying for ESPN 17 different times.

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Speaker 46 I just unfairly fade down the chicken to just leave him by himself.

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Speaker 5 Is it just me, or you know, I look over to David out of the corner of my eye and like he's got a smile.

Speaker 5 Like, I feel like David, he's excited about all the ways that we're going to have to look jubilant right now for this service.

Speaker 48 He loves

Speaker 60 all the new roles that make it impossible to cancel.

Speaker 5 I'm not the only one who noticed that, right? He's smiling.

Speaker 60 He loves it.

Speaker 21 I'm smiling because I'm with you guys and I enjoy it.

Speaker 21 But what I'm also smiling about is the sporting class, which we do with John Skipper and Paolo Torrey finds out, where we've made it very clear from the beginning that all of this, and we've been doing this for years, all of this was done with reckless disregard toward you, the fan, the audience.

Speaker 21 You were always going to pay more. That was always the joke.
And now it's happening that you're all realizing it.

Speaker 21 And the tweet of the year, I don't know if we do this, but a candidate for a tweet of the year is someone who just tweeted. Did we do a tweet of the year?

Speaker 66 Did we do that? We are now.

Speaker 21 This is a high-like tweet for me. Someone found out very much you, Billy, and it wasn't you who did it, but...

Speaker 2 I didn't get the tweet of the year.

Speaker 21 Damn.

Speaker 21 You did not because he didn't tweet this, but it was someone who was channeling you because they were so despondent over the bundling and everything they had to do that they said they're going back to cable.

Speaker 21 They're going retie the cord?

Speaker 59 Yeah.

Speaker 45 Reconnect. Reconnect.

Speaker 63 I have it pretty bad because I'm a soccer year.

Speaker 39 I'm a big-time soccer fan and big time soccer fans in this country.

Speaker 33 If you wanna if you wanna follow that sport, you have to pay thousands of dollars.

Speaker 2 Thank you. And you never know when they're playing and what league they're in.

Speaker 51 You have to pay thunder.

Speaker 5 Man, the time zone.

Speaker 2 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 67 You have to pay thousands of dollars to follow this sport.

Speaker 20 I'm convinced.

Speaker 25 Someone may put the math in front of me and say, actually, it's only 749.

Speaker 67 No, I pay pay thousands of dollars annually to follow this sport. I have to.

Speaker 54 And they got me.

Speaker 25 They got me over a barrel.

Speaker 52 I don't even know how to cancel these things.

Speaker 53 I tried to cancel Dazone the other day.

Speaker 6 I'm locked in for a year.

Speaker 54 I canceled it, I think, but I canceled it a year from now.

Speaker 52 What is it?

Speaker 4 This is stupid. This is corrupt.

Speaker 57 And what I hate the most about it is people just come out and say things that are so, is this standalone service even, is this functional?

Speaker 59 Do I have it?

Speaker 62 Does it exist?

Speaker 53 Is this something that's going to be announced later on?

Speaker 60 What is this?

Speaker 5 Okay, so that's the part that is confusing.

Speaker 5 All right, but but I I I have to I'm fairly certain the the bundle that you have right now It's ESPN plus and Disney plus and Hulu It's now gonna be Disney plus and Hulu which are merging and you partner it with the new ESPN direct to consumer app and in that event you already have that like you're now going to be getting the WWE on that service that you already have I'm fairly certain

Speaker 2 if If he pays $17 for that bundle

Speaker 2 and ESPN's just $29,

Speaker 2 now does he have to pay $30 or does he have to pay $47?

Speaker 5 No, no, no. My guess is it's going up, so you're going to have to pay the $29.99 instead of like $17.99.

Speaker 19 I don't want to do that.

Speaker 62 Cancel Peacock.

Speaker 48 Huh? Cancel Peacock.

Speaker 52 I don't want to cancel Peacock because I want to watch more live islands.

Speaker 54 And by the way, there's old WWE network that's not a part of this ESPN deal.

Speaker 30 Yes.

Speaker 36 We don't know about NXT.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 28 Peacock may still have a hold of if i'm a wrestling fan i still may need to have peacock and i i'm already stuck having peacock because i'm a chelsea fan this is this is this is horrendous

Speaker 5 i have an idea for you the lord's cable network yeah well it's funny that you say that because yes the lords cable network i feel like i feel like yeah it used to just be cable yeah it was it was a place where you go and you have everything boy i went i have to go from this app to this app to this i wish i had a place where we have everything together yeah it's called cable but you know you didn't i just want to remind everyone because because this revisionist history makes me smile.

Speaker 21 The reason why these streamers started and why you all were so angry to start with was the tiers and the fact that you weren't getting on basic cable all the things you wanted to get.

Speaker 21 And they were moving channels up to tiers that were costing you way more money. And you were getting a cable bill that was like $250 a month.

Speaker 51 I would kill to pay that right now.

Speaker 19 It's cheaper. It's cheaper than we pay now.

Speaker 20 I would kill to pay that right now.

Speaker 24 That is so much more affordable than what I'm paying right now.

Speaker 5 I honestly have no idea what I pay. I got so much.

Speaker 59 I have no idea.

Speaker 19 That's by a thousand brothers.

Speaker 52 That's the design. That's what they're counting on.

Speaker 59 Who do we blame?

Speaker 57 We can't rise up. We can't rise up.
We can't do anything about this.

Speaker 4 We were talking on nothing personal about how fans over in Europe, if you raise soda prices 25 cents, they will shut your shit down.

Speaker 28 They blew up the Super League.

Speaker 6 I don't know. They don't know.

Speaker 57 They will make sure that you do not raise the price of sodas 25 cents over there.

Speaker 39 Here, we're so battered and beaten by the system.

Speaker 57 What's the fees?

Speaker 29 Okay, I still want to see Taylor Swift.

Speaker 57 Whatever you told me, yes, Ticketmaster, I don't care.

Speaker 41 This is the only way I can do it.

Speaker 28 Well, we're going to make you pay $500 more to watch hockey.

Speaker 39 Okay, I guess.

Speaker 29 I have to. We're so beaten by this system.

Speaker 57 We were price gouged.

Speaker 24 No one's fighting for us at all.

Speaker 57 And these things just keep getting announced.

Speaker 39 Whether or not they exist is

Speaker 22 outside of the fact.

Speaker 45 This is bullshit. We did it.

Speaker 62 And TKO.

Speaker 59 TKO, a strong word of warning to TKO.

Speaker 22 Go on.

Speaker 57 I like your product, but you keep doing these cash grabs ever since you became this entity.

Speaker 62 You're going to push people to an alternative.

Speaker 51 Because every single one of your cash grabs

Speaker 57 ends up making the consumer pay more, whether it be for your live events that are outrageously priced or now your PLEs,

Speaker 57 you're definitely going to make me go to 17 different streamers to follow your product.

Speaker 60 I know where to find AEW.

Speaker 22 It's one place.

Speaker 57 One place.

Speaker 62 People are going to search for that alternative.

Speaker 5 That's not entirely accurate.

Speaker 32 Turner. Don't get it.

Speaker 28 It's on Macs, which is now HBO Max.

Speaker 5 But you still have to go to an app to get their

Speaker 62 premium live events. Yeah, but it's also on your basic cable package.

Speaker 5 The premium live events?

Speaker 19 The premium live events.

Speaker 4 Look, they've always come out the gate saying, we're going to stick to the traditional pay-per-view model for wrestling.

Speaker 5 That's essentially what WWE is doing here, but it's on EFSI.

Speaker 48 No, no, no.

Speaker 57 No, WWE had that model, and then they changed it to $9.99 a month, and then it's in Peacock, and it's free with your peacock peacock subscription and now it might be anywhere between what you're paying now for Disney Plus or $30.

Speaker 57 This is 176%

Speaker 53 price increase on wrestling fans.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean pay-per-views used to cost like $49.99 a month if you wanted to see them.

Speaker 19 So it's still like... Per event.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. There was one event a month.

Speaker 21 You didn't have to watch everybody.

Speaker 19 And here's another bonus.

Speaker 2 Well, people then, when they changed the model, then it became $9.99 a month. And then it became like, well, if you have Peacock, you can watch it anyways.

Speaker 20 And peacock was like $3.99 a month if you picked it at the right time peacock is like if you pay more than like four dollars for peacock you're a crazy person you can find a deal on peacock always right shout out to peacock here's another bone i have to pick i i like the aew product i i pay for their PLEs because they have a track record outside of maybe two in their history that haven't delivered they if you pay $49.99 or whatever that's usually a fun show yeah it's always a fun show not the case with WWE get a handful of really good ones And WWE's long-term booking is everything centered around WrestleMania, to the point that everything around the year, outside of a surprise appearance, which I guess the Brock Lesnar thing makes a hell of a lot more sense before this announcement as a means to get people excited.

Speaker 55 But everything is basically revolving around WrestleMania, which makes the entire year relatively predictable.

Speaker 62 So I'm not going to pay extra for their PLC.

Speaker 57 Oh, it's going to get to that point.

Speaker 53 Look what WWE did, which they didn't catch nearly enough shit for.

Speaker 9 They announced that WrestleMania was going to New Orleans, which I love as a WrestleMania city.

Speaker 29 That is so fun.

Speaker 59 Then they pulled it back.

Speaker 22 They're like, guess what?

Speaker 53 We're not going to do New Orleans, but New Orleans, you get a shittier pay-per-view.

Speaker 28 Aren't you happy about that?

Speaker 52 And wrestling fans, you're going to love this.

Speaker 29 We're going to go back to Las Vegas.

Speaker 19 No, I'm not. I'm not going to love that.

Speaker 54 No one wants to go to the same city twice in a row.

Speaker 5 I'm not trying to go to Vegas.

Speaker 21 Everybody's trying to go to Vegas.

Speaker 56 They just want to do the Vegas thing back to back because it's all on one stretch.

Speaker 63 And so they could do their little cash grabs around: oh, we'll have a Hall of Fame here.

Speaker 22 We'll have

Speaker 22 a roast here.

Speaker 28 We'll have a nightclub hosting here.

Speaker 57 It's basically TKO Central over there.

Speaker 30 They have the infrastructure and it just maximizes their revenue.

Speaker 17 And they don't care what it's done to their fan base in New Orleans.

Speaker 39 They don't care what it did to their fan base on the whole because no one's super excited to go back to Las Vegas.

Speaker 28 They like the traveling roadshow aspect of it.

Speaker 56 This is a dilution by pretty heavy degrees, and it's going to catch up to them.

Speaker 1 Michael, are you okay?

Speaker 19 No, I'm pissing him because wrestling fans are very passionate.

Speaker 21 This is not him.

Speaker 21 We've struck a chord here. It's not about wrestling.
This was just the last two minutes of that. I believe he just blew a gasket.
I think I watched a gasket get blown over this issue.

Speaker 5 Well, it's about greed is what he's doing. This is greed.

Speaker 36 It's very clearly greed, and I think wrestling fans can

Speaker 39 put up with that to a certain degree.

Speaker 28 But it's month over month of new cash grab and everything becoming more expensive. As the economy dips, they're asking to stretch your dollar even more.

Speaker 34 There's an alternative right there.

Speaker 30 You're pushing people to an alternative.

Speaker 29 It's going to catch up with you.

Speaker 5 I mean, I'll tell you, David, my weekend in New York, seeing SummerSlam this past weekend, I'm afraid to look at what it cost me. I know I spent a lot of money.

Speaker 5 I'm afraid to look at what that bill was.

Speaker 21 Most people keep track.

Speaker 21 Because they don't live in a Zaz mansion. I think what you need, Mike, I have an idea, and I don't know if it's kosher, but I'd like to try it.
I think that I know how to calm you down.

Speaker 21 I think you need to take a smelling salt.

Speaker 20 That's on how smelling salt. That'll do the opposite, I think.

Speaker 21 I think that

Speaker 21 clears your. I thought it gives you more oxygen.
And literally jacks you up. Yeah.
No, but don't you, that's like when you give a Ritalin to a person who doesn't have ADHD.

Speaker 21 It has a different view, a different take than someone else. I'll do that too.

Speaker 2 You should do some calming cocaine, Mike.

Speaker 23 Is that a thing?

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 21 If you take a lot of cocaine, I believe.

Speaker 23 Just less cocaine?

Speaker 21 I think you should be taking more or less of certain things depending on your plight. And your plight right now is a little out of control.

Speaker 5 I've never done a smelling salt before. I don't, I don't, I mean, clearly the effect, like it kind of

Speaker 5 wakes up your senses, right? That seems to be the, I see Sasha Barkov. He loves it on the Panther Planet.

Speaker 16 I'm very much in control. I'm passionate.

Speaker 31 This has really been,

Speaker 55 because it's a mainstream story, because the ESPN joint announcement that announced a whole bunch of things that don't either actually exist or were lies or haven't been worked out yet.

Speaker 39 This is the first time that I've been able to speak about all these things that have been bothering me for several months.

Speaker 17 And I think it's been bothering a huge segment of wrestling fans too.

Speaker 53 The product had been good enough.

Speaker 57 the previous year where people were like, okay, well, if you're going to make this experience that much better, because WrestleMania 40 was one of the greatest ever.

Speaker 60 WrestleMania 41 was terrible.

Speaker 53 It was, no, no, no, it wasn't disappointing.

Speaker 62 It was friggin' awful.

Speaker 59 You want to run that back?

Speaker 30 And you just want to do the lazy writing where we all know where this ends a year from now?

Speaker 23 I'm going to be out, man.

Speaker 21 You only had a microphone every day for four hours.

Speaker 17 I don't have the microphone to talk wrestling.

Speaker 5 Okay, I don't think you're going to be out. Like, I'm going to call bullshit on that.

Speaker 62 I'm not going to watch every PLE.

Speaker 37 I'm not.

Speaker 34 If I have to pay additionally to watch every PLE, I'm not.

Speaker 41 I'm not going to be able to do that. Okay.

Speaker 30 So let me, let me ask.

Speaker 49 I need it to be explained to me that I'm not.

Speaker 19 Okay.

Speaker 5 Okay. So let me ask David here.
Okay.

Speaker 5 Because from a business perspective, you're not in those rooms, so you don't know, but try and help us out here because the big issue that Mike has, an issue that I have, because we don't know, is we don't know what we're paying.

Speaker 5 We're 27 plus hours later. We don't know if we have to actually pay $29.99 a month now to get these WWPLEs.
And we were previously only paying, what,

Speaker 5 $14.99, whatever it was, for Peacock. Yeah, because on Peacock.

Speaker 21 Peacock, Billy said Peacock can be.

Speaker 2 You pay $14.99 for Peacock?

Speaker 5 Well, yeah, because you got to get the good tier.

Speaker 5 So here's my question oh because you don't want commercials right yeah come on so here's I don't have time for that message you're a baby I don't have time to sit through commercials I don't have time for that I need my show streamed to me directly so here's my question are executives in a room you know for WWE TK or whatever are they actually saying all right we're going to charge $29.99 a month now which is double at least double what people were paying before as a business model are they actually saying

Speaker 5 we think that this is going to work they will pay double.

Speaker 21 Here's the thing that you guys are misunderstanding. It's called value and there is elasticity of demand.
Peacock is a great example.

Speaker 21 They've got such great programming that there are people, everyone's got deals. Whether it is when you go buy clothes, whether it's online, you get emails, buy this shirt.

Speaker 21 No one buys this shirt at retail.

Speaker 51 Oh, I'm not leaving Peacock whatsoever.

Speaker 19 Peacock has enough things to even...

Speaker 21 Peacock, which has all these opportunities where you have a value proposition.

Speaker 21 I'm talking about the value proposition of what you get for your money, whether it's to watch wrestling, to watch Chelsea, to go shopping, to do whatever, to watch a movie.

Speaker 21 All you're supposed to be doing, and all we want you to do as a business and as a media company, is to view what we provide to you as value. And it's up to you, and the people will talk.

Speaker 21 But the way you're talking, you're forgetting the fact that the people have talked.

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Speaker 66 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 23 Happy Cup game.

Speaker 66 And at what this is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

Speaker 28 I am not espousing the virtues of Vincent Kennedy McMahon, but they used to run house shows in markets where they knew they would lose money.

Speaker 55 And they did this well after it stopped making sense. You know why?

Speaker 29 Because they wanted the product to be accessible to everyone in their fan base and they thought that it helped their bottom line as a brand. They have totally, essentially wiped out house shows.

Speaker 5 Why do you think that is

Speaker 16 because they lost money on it?

Speaker 26 And they only care about the big markets.

Speaker 19 Whoa.

Speaker 5 Right. Because I think it also has to do with, I mean, like the performers.

Speaker 23 Performers weren't super happy.

Speaker 62 Their lives are

Speaker 48 a great thing for the performers.

Speaker 17 It's a great thing for the performers.

Speaker 16 You know what else would be great for the performers?

Speaker 29 Health insurance.

Speaker 37 And a union. But they're not getting that either.

Speaker 5 Don't work for me, brother. Right.

Speaker 40 Exactly.

Speaker 39 That's another part of Hulk Hogan's legacy that he busted up Jesse Ventura's union attempt.

Speaker 29 What I'm saying is, I'm sure they have these board meetings.

Speaker 25 And I'm sure there's more than one voice. Let's give them credit.

Speaker 26 This is going to make our fans pay more.

Speaker 15 I know, as a wrestling fan, I've paid more to follow WWE specifically over the last few years since TKO came into the equation.

Speaker 35 And what I'm saying is, while Zaz is probably right that I will look at the product, I'm a lifelong wrestling fan, I'm going to pay.

Speaker 39 And ultimately, you as a capitalist, David, you'll be like, well, they got you.

Speaker 34 Okay.

Speaker 21 No, that's, hold on, Mike. That's where you're wrong.
It's not that I got you. It's that you...
made a decision and you're going to keep making that decision until it's not even anymore.

Speaker 21 There will be a number where it won't matter that you like it.

Speaker 21 And our job is to get right to that.

Speaker 8 Product also has a say because while I'm a lifelong wrestling fan, there have been plenty of times that my interest in the product has dipped because the product did not match the time or effort or money that it would take to continue following the product.

Speaker 49 They flirted with that line last year and they had a very good summer slam.

Speaker 16 It looks like they're going to be aggressive about ramping things up so they're not essentially a one P L E company.

Speaker 29 I'm very happy about that.

Speaker 54 But there are going to be plenty of people that

Speaker 56 of different means that are going to have to make decisions to be like, I can't afford to follow this anymore.

Speaker 12 And like I said, it's a dilution by degrees.

Speaker 29 We saw it initially with the Saudi Arabia stuff.

Speaker 36 I think that that's kind of waned a little bit, but this company has continuously made decisions that are based on the almighty dollar when this was, whether you believe it or not, more of a fan-friendly company than it is now.

Speaker 5 And it's hard to disagree with a lot of what he's saying.

Speaker 21 I couldn't disagree more with almost 100

Speaker 36 they are not as fan-friendly as they used to be they are not they are flatly not but they will but they are fan-friendly enough to fans who are spending the money that it makes sense for their financials they are absolutely trying to get a more affluent fan everything from the jelly roll integration the the celebrities that they bring in dude 110 000 over the weekend they sold the building out it's worked It's working.

Speaker 30 And I think even as a sucker that is going to pay more, I'm telling you, I'm going to pay more.

Speaker 39 I'm going to follow this product.

Speaker 29 I also think that we all have the right to say, yeah, I'm going to pay more.

Speaker 54 You got me.

Speaker 34 I'm not happy about it.

Speaker 39 Why does everything with this company have to be

Speaker 37 a money pump?

Speaker 21 What company does things where it's not a money pump?

Speaker 29 Arizona iced tea.

Speaker 21 Arizona. Okay.
It's like the only one. Educate me.

Speaker 5 99 cents forever.

Speaker 21 So Arizona, and I've never had an Arizona iced tea. Am I the only one in the room?

Speaker 5 I haven't either. I don't drink ice tea.

Speaker 21 I don't drink iced tea. How How do you know what the price was, though?

Speaker 5 Because it's a thing. They've always, they refuse to ever go above 99 cents.

Speaker 21 And is the can size the same?

Speaker 39 I'm not getting political, but it's like the tariffs.

Speaker 67 The importers pay the tariffs, and then

Speaker 34 whatever companies that they're representing when they're importing these goods, they have to make the decision.

Speaker 55 Do we as a company want to make less money because these tariffs are eating into our margins, or do we want to pass that down to the consumer?

Speaker 47 Now, WWE really doesn't have to deal with tariffs.

Speaker 16 They're just making the decision, let's make more money and pass that cost down to the consumers i think the consumers who are lifelong fans that for most of their lives had a more family friendly experience with the product have every right to complain while still

Speaker 5 even when to the point that it hurts hand over their money because they like the product so much and i would just like someone to stand up in a room and say hey you know what we hear you let's do some more fan-friendly events some more cost-efficient events to offset some of this money pumping that they've been doing recently and i've yet to see that from tko i think what what ultimately needs to happen because again we're still confused a whole day later after this press release like and i know ww is all over television yet they were all over espn yesterday oh they know how to shocking they know how to put these things out but somebody like needs to get in front of us soon and explain right like what we have to pay why

Speaker 21 why

Speaker 30 explain to me i don't understand how you announce a product like a partnership and we still don't know if this is a new standalone streaming service the one that we already have well the people announcing it didn't seem to know what they were announcing which is the crazy thing.

Speaker 5 There was so much bad information.

Speaker 2 We got to announce this, but we don't know what we're announcing.

Speaker 21 That's what happens with a premature announcement. A premature announcement leads to, like, everybody.

Speaker 5 Well, why do you think it was premature? Like, was there a rush to get that out?

Speaker 21 It felt rushed to me. It felt that it came at 7 a.m.
It was done on CNBC and it was part of all of what was going on with the SPN and NFL. Remember, it all came out

Speaker 21 generally at the same time. It felt rushed.
And when I read the release, and frankly, the release on the NFL situation selling red

Speaker 21 selling red zone that wasn't a very clear press release either.

Speaker 5 Why do I pay for red zone? We've gotten caught up on these PLEs.

Speaker 2 I still don't know about my Hulu and my red zone.

Speaker 28 Mad suspicious that these companies are rushing to these announcements to get the stock value up right now.

Speaker 30 It's almost as if they're all colluding behind the scenes and no, our shoes about to drop here at any moment. Let's get our money now.

Speaker 34 Also with TKO, there might be more at play because they also own the UFC, which has its own own negotiation rights.

Speaker 55 And WWE apparently is going to continue shopping the WWE network, which is their entire archive, which presently lives on Peacock, which I watch more than the PLEs.

Speaker 33 I watch the old stuff more than I watch the new stuff.

Speaker 5 Well, think about this. This is where it gets confusing.
Wherever the WWE library eventually lands, and look, maybe it'll stay on Peacock, you know? Wherever it eventually lands,

Speaker 5 are the new shows that are streamed on ESPN now, where do those go in the catalog? Are they available then after the fact on ESPN or do they then go to the catalog, which may be on another service?

Speaker 26 We have a ton of questions.

Speaker 30 No one's giving us answers.

Speaker 44 This hour is going to be called questions.

Speaker 21 That's fine. And I'm okay with consumers having questions because I assure you that answers come because sometimes the consumer can provide the answer because you vote with your pocketbook.

Speaker 28 This isn't just a, we're having this conversation through the prism of WWE.

Speaker 37 We could easily have said NFL the entire time.

Speaker 16 What does this mean for the red zone?

Speaker 30 I pay for the red zone with my cable company.

Speaker 52 Does it come with my ESPN Plus?

Speaker 34 Do I need to, wait, I essentially initially got YouTube TV on top of my cable service because that was the way for me to get a specific type of red zone.

Speaker 5 I feel like I could answer it and that it does come with the new ESPN streaming service.

Speaker 29 Okay, well, I'm excited.

Speaker 56 Look, here's something that's good.

Speaker 26 I know what I'm paying for with the NFL,

Speaker 26 ESPN partnership because I know the NFL network.

Speaker 36 I know the red zone. and Roger Goodell's out there saying, hey, apparently the red zone is intellectual property of the NFL.

Speaker 55 And now, because of this merger, you're going to get an NBA red zone.

Speaker 39 You're going to get a college football red zone, an NHL red zone.

Speaker 25 I'm like, whoa, this is great.

Speaker 21 They licensed it to Disney, and Disney has the ability to use that license to however they want to maximize the money. So you are going to see more red zones.
That's great.

Speaker 21 You should see college football red zones. That's cool.
NBA red zones, MLB hookarounds.

Speaker 48 That's great.

Speaker 30 I don't mind paying more for a premium service if it feels like I'm getting more, where I think most consumers buck up against and have to make a hard decision where they may be handing over their money regrettably.

Speaker 26 They'll still hand over their money, which is, I think, the bottom line for all these companies.

Speaker 22 But do I have to pay more for the same or even less?

Speaker 40 That's where you're going to start losing people.

Speaker 28 And the economy's got to get tight.

Speaker 26 And these business models are not sustainable if they keep doing this.

Speaker 21 Paying more for getting less is the American way. It happens in chip bags.
It happens in all sorts of things. You have to look at the volume of things.
That's why I was asking about Arizona iced tea.

Speaker 21 Do we have confirmation that the 99 cents, how long has it been 99 cents? Forever. Like, are we talking 20 years?

Speaker 5 There was recently, I remember maybe it was 60 minutes or something, where the owners of Arizona iced tea are like, we were doing everything we can to never be above 99 cents.

Speaker 21 And it's the same amount of iced tea in the can. I mean,

Speaker 2 it says since 1992, the towering 23-ounce can of Arizona iced tea has sold for 99 cents.

Speaker 6 It's pretty cool.

Speaker 21 I mean, is that that's nostalgia? Even the dollar store has things that are over a dollar. It just doesn't.

Speaker 2 Let me start on five below. Jeez.

Speaker 2 They have a five above section in the back.

Speaker 2 That could be a different store. Why? And everything's like 5.55.
That's not below 5.

Speaker 19 But below.

Speaker 1 At least it's like in one section where you don't have to go to that section if you don't want to.

Speaker 2 Do I need to buy a couch at five below? No, we don't need a section of five below where they sell furniture. That's not what I need at five below.
There are people who do.

Speaker 21 That seems like you're being a little unrelatable. That seems like you're being a little like me.

Speaker 2 I don't need to go spend $1,600 on a couch at five below. If you sell me a couch for $5 or below, I'm in.

Speaker 2 Listen, I did a summer internship where I lived on an inflatable couch and an inflatable mattress because my place was unfurnished.

Speaker 5 That was the internship to live on a...

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was volunteer. They didn't even pay me to do that.
I just did it for fun. It was an internship for inflatable furniture.
But look what it got you. That's how they test you.
What?

Speaker 21 Look what it did. Look at your life.

Speaker 2 I would argue that it made my life worse.

Speaker 2 I was normal. I was grounded.
And now look at me.

Speaker 21 But you do this to yourself. You come back show after show, day after day, year after year.

Speaker 2 Kids, man. If it wasn't for kids kind of holding me down, who knows where I'd be soaring right now? You know what I mean?

Speaker 21 I never thought of that.

Speaker 2 Well.

Speaker 29 I think you're overestimating how normal you were.

Speaker 66 You should have parented. How normal I was?

Speaker 1 You should have parented like David. Focus on your career.

Speaker 30 I genuinely don't know what you're saying. 100%.

Speaker 45 I'm not.

Speaker 2 But we're in the same exact place, and my kids love me.

Speaker 11 Beat your kids in every game.

Speaker 20 That is just wrong. I'm sorry.

Speaker 45 Billy, you've gone too far this time.

Speaker 21 They don't like me, but they love me.

Speaker 1 They have to. They respect me.
That's for daddy.

Speaker 19 I don't think they do that. Really?

Speaker 19 No.

Speaker 21 I'm not convinced.

Speaker 21 I've got big news about my children, but I don't know that I'm allowed to share it because I didn't get permission.

Speaker 32 Just roll roll the dice. Yeah, come on.

Speaker 21 I get permission in advance. No.
I'm just proud of them.

Speaker 2 What's the Venn diagram of people that your kids are friends with that would receive this news and people that listen to us?

Speaker 2 I think that you could get away with. I break news all the time.
I say things all the time. And unless Mike Flint is or someone decides to put it on social, my wife has no idea what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 That's how I roll too. My wife doesn't listen to anything.

Speaker 2 Yeah, unless it gets out on social, they're never, they're not. Wives are not listening.

Speaker 5 No, but you know what also happens? Does this happen to your, you know, with your wife? My wife, she finds out, she doesn't listen to anything I do.

Speaker 5 I could say whatever I want, not just because she won't hear it, but because I'm also in charge. But my wife winds up finding out because you have snitches at her work.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 5 There are snitches.

Speaker 52 Does that happen to you?

Speaker 21 That's well you were so strong in the snitches. Hey, does that happen to you? It happens to everybody.
That's exactly what social media is when you call someone. Did you see that? What David said?

Speaker 3 Break some news, David. Hey,

Speaker 2 hey, no snitches allowed in this segment. Okay, go, David.
We're clear now.

Speaker 21 Break the news. I'm just saying that it's possible that my son may or may not have done something that will enable him to maybe work on Wall Street.
You have to pass a bunch of exams.

Speaker 21 And maybe this morning. You've been vague.

Speaker 1 I have no idea what you mean.

Speaker 5 There's a lot of maybes.

Speaker 2 I'm worried. It sounds like jail might be in the future there.

Speaker 20 Oh, stop because

Speaker 19 I don't know.

Speaker 2 There's just lots of maybes and allegedly.

Speaker 1 Sounds like he's going to be a part of all the stuff we're complaining about today.

Speaker 21 Don't be ridiculous. He's part of the solution.
Sure. He's part of me.
The solution.

Speaker 32 Wall Street always helps us.

Speaker 21 You pay as little money as possible to get as much as you can so that Mike doesn't blow a gasket because he's overpaying for stuff that he doesn't enjoy.

Speaker 34 I genuinely don't know what I've been yelling about.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 25 I may be wrong.

Speaker 19 I don't know.

Speaker 49 I hate that I don't know.

Speaker 5 Loud noises control.

Speaker 53 I just know it's going to cost me more money.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

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