Hour 2: Found Your Niche But What About The Keish

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Speaker 21 We will get back to the silly stuff in a few minutes, but I did want the listeners of this show to get at least a little bit of information because we're so fractured about how it is we consume things these days.

Speaker 21 Everyone has their own form of media. And in and among Hispanic communities, the way that folks are getting their news these days more than ever is TikTok.
It's not Telemundo.

Speaker 21 It's a lot of Hispanics in this country are getting it through TikTok. And if you don't know what's happening in this country,

Speaker 21 immigrants, exiles, Latinos are scared, I think. And so Carlos Eduardo Espina is a TikTok journalist.
I'm going to call it. Thank you for joining us, Carlos.

Speaker 21 If you want information on what it is that we're going to be talking about, you can follow him across all social media platforms and at Carlos underscore Eduardo Espina.

Speaker 21 So thank you for joining us. And just tell us how it is you're getting your news to people because you're a bit of a new kind of journalist.

Speaker 22 Yeah, no, well, thank you for having me. I mean, this is something that started five years ago during the pandemic.
It almost started as, you know, just an accident.

Speaker 22 I was born at home, started making videos about citizenship classes, and it just blew up during that big boom that there was on social media in early 2020.

Speaker 22 And since then, I've been making 10, up to 15 or 20 videos a day, just constant news and opinions on everything that's going on. And how do I stay informed?

Speaker 22 I'm always reading, you know, different news sites. I'm always on different platforms.

Speaker 22 A lot of also community journalism, people will just send me videos of what's going on on the ground and I'll react to it, respond to it.

Speaker 22 So, just a bunch of different ways of getting information out there.

Speaker 22 But now, with social media, everything is so fast-paced, you always have to be on the lookout for what's next, what's happening, and put it out in front of the audience as soon as possible.

Speaker 21 So, tell us what's the information you're getting on the ground that is real, that is factual about ICE raids in this country.

Speaker 21 That I think most rational human beings watching these ICE raids can know that this isn't what America is supposed to look like.

Speaker 22 Yeah, so very early on, you know, during when Trump just assumed office, there was a lot of people who were hopeful.

Speaker 22 They were like, hey, you know, this is, they're only going to go after the worst of the worst criminals and, you know, the people who have committed horrible crimes, which I think everyone agrees with, right?

Speaker 22 No one wants people who have committed horrible crimes in the country.

Speaker 22 But then the video started coming out of, hey, you know, I was at this gas station and they just picked up a bunch of guys who were looking out for work outside of the, or, you know, outside of Home Depot or all these other places and a lot of these videos have only come to light because there's just someone you know at the right place at the right time or maybe at the wrong place at the wrong time just pulling out their phone and recording it putting it on social media sending it to bigger accounts like myself so we can amplify it and you really do see a lot of the unfiltered i mean some of the videos i can't even show on my platforms just because they're so uh strong that you know that with censorship and with community guidelines and all that but i think that community uh journalism just very on the ground is really what has moved a lot of people.

Speaker 10 But

Speaker 21 what can't you show? What do you feel people are not hearing or understanding about what's going on with these raids if they're only consuming traditional news?

Speaker 22 Yeah, I think a lot of times it's very sanitized what ends up like on actual news.

Speaker 22 For example, if you have an instance of an agent beating up someone or, you know, using language that's not appropriate for social media,

Speaker 22 you know, you can't really show that. So you have to censor.
You have to kind of explain around it.

Speaker 22 But there are other platforms, for example, I found, so I started on TikTok, but I found that YouTube is also,

Speaker 22 you know, a lot more, basically you can post a lot more without censorship. So over the past few months, I've grown a lot on YouTube as well.

Speaker 22 But it's really just trying to get that raw video out there and then people can form their own opinions. They can see with their own eyes what's going on.

Speaker 22 And like you said, I think most people come to the same conclusion that while immigration enforcement is necessary, the way it's being done right now is just completely out of hand and not okay.

Speaker 21 Can you talk about the impact of the fear and the chaos going on in these communities caused by these raids?

Speaker 22 Yeah, so I think, you know, what many people didn't expect, especially Latinos who voted for Donald Trump, is they didn't realize, you know, or maybe they did, they just didn't think it would impact them that the Latino community is just so, you know, lean so much on each other that, you know, we have our own restaurants, our own places to go party, our own, you know, everything, our own businesses.

Speaker 22 And so when the ICE raids really started picking up, a lot of Latino businesses took a huge hit because people weren't going out as much. They're not eating out.

Speaker 22 They're not, you know, basically doing the day-to-day stuff that they usually did. And so a lot of business owners are now, you know, debating whether to shut down.

Speaker 22 Some people have already had to shut down. And a lot of times it's people, you know, who supported Donald Trump because they thought the economy would get better under him.

Speaker 22 But the economy, at least within the Latino community, is not getting much better. And many of these small businesses particularly are being hit very, very hard.

Speaker 21 Can you explain what someone's rights are, immigrant, bystander, anyone's rights, if they're caught up in an ICE raid? raid?

Speaker 22 Well, so that's the thing is, right? You know, a lot of preparation for all this that was going to happen is, hey, you know, we have these rights that must be respected.

Speaker 22 You know, you have the right to ask for an attorney, ask for a warrant. You know, you can record stuff.

Speaker 22 But we've seen, and I think this is what really caught the attention of many people, agents who maybe are poorly trained or just don't care, who are just violating people's rights, you know, blatantly, and it's being caught on camera.

Speaker 22 And you have organizations like the ACLU.

Speaker 22 I mean, when you see those instances of people's windows being smashed, you know, you would tell someone, hey, you know, you have the right to stay in there until they show you a warrant.

Speaker 22 You can call your attorney, but that's not really being followed. So I think right now it's very, we're in an uncharted territory almost.

Speaker 22 I mean, we've seen people be arrested for recording law enforcement, which once again is not illegal.

Speaker 22 You can, if I see border patrol, you know, doing a raid somewhere I'm at, I can pull out my phone and record, but even that's being, you know, attacked.

Speaker 22 So it's very hard to tell people what, you know, what's permissible now because we have what the Constitution says, what the law says, and then what's actually going on.

Speaker 22 And unfortunately, they're two different things.

Speaker 3 Carlos, do you ever look back, because obviously you're doing very important work, do you ever look back to 2020 when you were bored on TikTok before you do your first video and you're sitting there and you're like, I could do a dance, I could cook, or I could talk about immigration.

Speaker 3 And then you decided, you know what, this is the route I'm going to go. You ever look back and think, what if I did cooking or dancing or anything like that?

Speaker 22 Yeah, so that's exactly the reason why I didn't go on TikTok until that late on because it was already

Speaker 22 started blowing up in 2019. But I remember my friends would send me TikTok videos.
I'm like, this is like the dumbest app ever.

Speaker 22 I thought it was like, you know, for like, like, it was when Charlie D'Amelia was blowing up and all that. And I was like, I don't really care about this.

Speaker 22 But when the pandemic came, so before the pandemic, I used to volunteer every weekend teaching citizenship classes in person.

Speaker 22 You know, I would be like 10, 15 people show up to my classes, but then we couldn't get together in person anymore. So that's kind of where the idea came.

Speaker 22 I was like, hey, maybe I should start doing stuff on social media. I started on Facebook, but people were like, Hey, you should try TikTok.
And I was like, super anti-TikTok.

Speaker 22 I was like, you know what? I'm going to cave. I'm going to do one video on TikTok.
And my first video just blew up. And I was like, wow, this is actually a very powerful platform.

Speaker 22 And I realized, you know, that on social media, it's not so much the platform.

Speaker 22 It's, you know, if there's content out there that you don't like, you can create your own content and there'll be people that like it as well. So that's how I found my niche and it went very well.

Speaker 21 Chris Cody says that's what pays the bills.

Speaker 7 He's like, I was anti-TikTok. Now he's like, let's go.

Speaker 3 You found your niche, but what if you would have gone quiche? You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 23 I mean, it's just, it was, it was really interesting

Speaker 24 the growth

Speaker 22 because, you know, TikTok was just so revolutionary in that sense, where a lot of people like myself, we were very like against it. But we realized, you know, the issue is not the platform itself.

Speaker 22 It's just that when it was so new, the content that was on there just wasn't that diverse. And now you have like all types, you have attorneys are on TikTok.

Speaker 22 You have, you know, journalists are on TikTok I mean there's all kinds of content and it's such a a great platform now but what if you were like the immigration rights dancer you know and you're dancing videos while giving the information people have proposed I mean they've told me like hey you know you should open up

Speaker 22 you know some other platforms as well and I don't I don't give into that but um yeah I mean it's interesting people yeah there's like I don't know if you've seen there's an attorney he's like yeah he shows up with like all this jewelry and all these rings and you know he's got his own style so I think that's the cool thing about like TikTok.

Speaker 22 It's allowed a lot of people who weren't content creators, who never try to be content creators, become one and then just kind of find their own, I guess, area on the platform.

Speaker 25 But how does this work?

Speaker 21 The news cycle doesn't stop. Raids are continuing around the clock.
You are taking a break in the middle of this because I imagine that, yes, it's business, but you're also doing work,

Speaker 21 I don't know, to protect Hispanics.

Speaker 22 Yeah, so it's like a 20, it's almost like, you know, social media is really interesting where it's not like a traditional job where you like you have a set schedule, it's mostly like in between things.

Speaker 22 You know, I'll be at different events or at meetings, but I'll be checking my phone constantly or even be out with my family.

Speaker 22 And I'm like, you know, hey, I need to check my phone real quick in case something happened. And there's been many occasions where I'm like, let's say, for example,

Speaker 22 you know, at a dinner, I'm like, hey, I have to step outside real quick to make a video. So it's not like I have a set schedule.
It's most like, you know, sometimes things just happen.

Speaker 22 I mean, one very big example of this was I was on the way to Miami for the Copa Medica final last year.

Speaker 22 And right as I was about to board my flight, that's when they did the assassination attempt on Donald Trump. And I was like, wait, I can't miss it.
So I had to cancel my flight, rebook it.

Speaker 22 And I was like inside the airport making all these videos. I made like, you know,

Speaker 22 minute-to-minute coverage on what was going on. But I guess that's just part of the job.
It is what it is.

Speaker 21 He is the Adam Schefter of How Do You Pass the U.S. Citizenship Test.
It is a strange way to go viral. It's not the way that most people do it.

Speaker 21 I do wonder though, where do you believe most of the misinformation confusion about what's going on is coming from? Because

Speaker 21 I don't think most reasonable people, if I present them with some of your videos of like, look, do you think your landscaper

Speaker 21 friend should be treated like this?

Speaker 21 I think most Americans would be appalled.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 22 So I think, you know, one thing I've learned over the years is most people who are you know in support of what's going on right now are not bad people I think they just grew up in different environments and get different sources of information that maybe they haven't been exposed to what's really going on and I mean that is in the sense of you know I grew up in college station Texas is pretty conservative I have a lot of friends who voted for Donald Trump and over the past few months like they will be playing soccer or whatever they'll come up to be hey you know like I didn't really know like this is the extent of what was going on.

Speaker 22 You know, I thought like they were, they genuinely thought they were going to go after like the worst of the worst criminals.

Speaker 22 You know, what's being shown on Fox News, what Donald Trump is saying in his speeches. And when you start to realize like, hey, you know, it's actually like my friends, my coworkers, people I know.

Speaker 22 And that's why I think the work that I do and many others are doing is just so important because I think this country is fundamentally made up of very good people who a lot of times just don't have, you know, the full information.

Speaker 22 And there are people who genuinely think, you know, these raids are targeting the worst of the worst, which in some cases is true, but in the majority is not. That's one aspect.

Speaker 22 Then the other aspect too is like social media has gotten completely out of hand.

Speaker 22 And I say that as a content creator i mean you said in the beginning like you know most people especially latinos are getting their information on social media i guess that's good for me but i think as a society it's not very good and the reason why is there's just so much misinformation and now with artificial intelligence it's gotten completely out of hand i mean people use my image for example they'll make like this wild video of oh good news you know if you pay this guy 500 he'll get you a work permit in an hour and everyone's like wow wow carlos is saying it so it must be true and i'm like that's not me it's artificial intelligence But especially when you have older people who maybe didn't grow up in that environment, they can't tell.

Speaker 22 And it just, there's so many layers to, you know, the misinformation, disinformation, just fake news, artificial intelligence, all that.

Speaker 22 I think it is very dangerous to have a society that relies solely on social media for their information. And I say that as someone who has in many ways benefited from this, from this landscape.

Speaker 26 But therein lies the problem. You say that a lack of information is the biggest issue here, but you're not even getting true information from the administration themselves.

Speaker 26 It's been reported that up to 71% of the arrests that ICE have made are people with zero criminal background. And when pressed on this, the administration says that's not the case.

Speaker 26 So how do people actually get access to information when we're in a post-truth world?

Speaker 22 Yeah, well, that's the question I struggle with the most because, you know, on social media, there's just so much information that you can be very selective.

Speaker 22 And, you know, for example, my algorithm is very, you know, slanted into one way. I'm sure other people's are slanted in other ways.

Speaker 22 And I guess the question becomes is how can we, you know, step away from social media as much as possible and actually have genuine face-to-face conversations?

Speaker 22 And I think that's where the real difference is made because what social media has created is almost these echo chambers where, you know, people are being fed the same stuff over and over again.

Speaker 22 And if you're fed a hundred videos of Donald Trump saying, oh, we've only gotten all criminals and there's no hardworking, good people in the raids, well then you start to believe that and so i think you know how do you break that structure it just takes you know meeting people where they're at trying to as best as possible and a lot of times face-to-face interaction is the only way you can really break through uh because otherwise it just becomes an impossible task carlos thank you for being with me but yeah go ahead i'm sorry no no saying i i know that's a very like gloomy answer like very dystopian answer but i i i am really worried for the future not of just of our country society in general you know with everything going on on social social media, technology, AI, and all that.

Speaker 22 So, we'll see how things end up.

Speaker 4 You're worried, are you?

Speaker 4 You're worried. Yeah, yeah, look at you.

Speaker 21 You're on the middle of a sports show, and look at what we're talking about. Why would you be worried about that?

Speaker 29 No, that's what sports are for, right?

Speaker 22 That's the, I mean, I love to play, I play soccer every weekend, every day almost, to distract myself from what's going on, at least for an hour or two. So, keep up the good work.

Speaker 22 That's always important.

Speaker 21 You too, thank you for being on with us. You can follow him across all social media platforms at Carlos underscore Eduardo underscore Espina.
Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 7 don lebatard uh chris cody does an impression just be careful dangerous game here this is a dangerous game i don't want to play this game he was saying man i could do such a great connection oh i don't want to play this game he's like man i can

Speaker 21 like him this is who we're gonna trust i mean you do it let's a mean do it i think

Speaker 21 i think you could do it chris because you did a great charles barkley you're one for one there did no one just hear the segment we just did with the mean we cannot be taking judgment is not the best.

Speaker 21 Counsel from the local drunk on whether or not you should do the impersonation of a black man stumbling over his words. Like, you don't see the bad judgment in that.

Speaker 4 There it was.

Speaker 8 Moses and Moody. Moody, Moses.

Speaker 4 Moses, Moody.

Speaker 16 You need that.

Speaker 4 It sounds worse.

Speaker 16 Be careful, man.

Speaker 21 We gotta, like, we cannot do this.

Speaker 4 It's too close to the line. This is where the line is.

Speaker 21 Something legitimately funny can't be funny because we're scared our ginger is going to do something racist by accident.

Speaker 18 Carry the hell on, Dan.

Speaker 4 Rachel.

Speaker 21 Dan, the line is when we feel alive, though.

Speaker 17 This is the Don Levatar show with the Stukats.

Speaker 21 I am seeing all over my televisions in here, Lee Corso.

Speaker 21 Are we going to actually do this correctly this weekend? We're going to have a giant game one football weekend.

Speaker 16 Haven't we?

Speaker 27 Like, yeah, we did it.

Speaker 10 We got here.

Speaker 25 How do they screw it up?

Speaker 10 Do they kick him in the ass on the way out?

Speaker 21 No, I'm just saying that Lee Corso being a big story, the big story, we're going to allow someone to age with grace.

Speaker 21 As we ran one president out of office for getting old and the other one dies in front of us, hiding his ankles from us and is also senile.

Speaker 21 We're going to let Lee Corso on television get old gracefully and send him off correctly.

Speaker 26 Did you just make a prediction?

Speaker 20 That'd be in the Suisse next year.

Speaker 25 I don't know. Let's ask a mean.

Speaker 3 Got to be worried about the whole.

Speaker 3 Let me not say it. Never mind.

Speaker 6 Gone with your show.

Speaker 6 Why'd you make it about that?

Speaker 16 That felt gratuitous.

Speaker 33 Oh, because.

Speaker 25 You talk about Lee Corso.

Speaker 21 You've got multiple 80-year-olds wandering around out there. We're questioning the mental health of 80-year-olds.
People are comfortable mocking the old.

Speaker 21 Dick Vital has been a polarizing figure for the

Speaker 21 league.

Speaker 20 You keep doing that.

Speaker 35 We did that. Like, 10 years ago, people were having their go at Lee, and he had to admit,

Speaker 26 I think over the last few years, it's actually been a beautiful thing. People understand what they're seeing on television.
Everybody knows that Lee Coruso has been battling through stuff.

Speaker 26 Everyone sees the beauty in that friendship that is on that set.

Speaker 8 Well, and they haven't forced it, right? Because he hasn't been on every single week.

Speaker 4 He'll do like a couple sets.

Speaker 31 He'll do like a couple. No, he's there most weeks, but he'll do like a segment or two.

Speaker 26 They've been sunsetting him over the course of a few years on that show.

Speaker 5 Has it had its hiccups?

Speaker 26 Because he's had his challenges?

Speaker 26 Yes, I think the internet, which is generally a cruel place, has been kind of understanding when it comes to this one to the point that we're going to have this beautiful moment.

Speaker 26 He's probably going to have some struggles in that broadcast because he's had struggles in almost every broadcast over the last few years.

Speaker 26 And I think people will be understanding, appreciative, grateful, and loving.

Speaker 21 It's just nice to see, is all I'm saying.

Speaker 8 I wonder how they're going to do it because normally, you know, they end the show with him making the pick, right? Which they will.

Speaker 8 Yeah, they will.

Speaker 4 I think that that'll be.

Speaker 8 They're going to go about it as if everything is normal.

Speaker 4 I don't know. Herbie is going going to be a puddle of emotion.

Speaker 18 He'll bring Fowler out at some point, old friends.

Speaker 10 Gooseies. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's going to be incredible.

Speaker 8 You can't put on the Longhorn helmet, though, in front of the Ohio State.

Speaker 6 They're going to boo him?

Speaker 35 That'd be great.

Speaker 26 One last rib on the way out. He gets booed.

Speaker 19 Because everyone, he did Brutus first, right?

Speaker 7 So everyone is just assuming he's going to go Ohio State.

Speaker 5 I love that. I would Zag.

Speaker 18 I'm with you.

Speaker 5 Zach?

Speaker 24 I would zag. Yeah, Zach.

Speaker 16 Stugats? Zigging? All right.

Speaker 8 I thought you said you were with Zag.

Speaker 34 I got confused for a moment there.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we all did.

Speaker 18 Everyone's expecting something.

Speaker 7 I would Zag.

Speaker 1 I mean, I was called Stugatz earlier.

Speaker 16 Steve Martin, also a prop comic.

Speaker 3 Huh.

Speaker 3 Betty White's situation is not going to happen. We're three days away.
We're good.

Speaker 16 I hope so. Wow.

Speaker 7 That's a prediction. Whoa.

Speaker 3 I'm saying it's not. I'm putting it out there because you guys are all throwing out there, and I'm saying that's not going to happen.

Speaker 21 No, I don't think anybody's throwing it out.

Speaker 1 That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 Dan was only saying that it's beautiful what we're doing. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 7 I concur.

Speaker 23 That's probably not going to happen.

Speaker 34 Yeah, I hope not.

Speaker 5 I'm not going down this glib path.

Speaker 10 I don't know why you even said that.

Speaker 14 But I don't think it changes the program.

Speaker 14 I don't think, well, it's going to drastically change the program.

Speaker 10 It's a more viewers. No, no, no.

Speaker 26 It's going to be a celebration of his life and the only thing that'd be missing.

Speaker 16 Well, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 10 A celebration of his life.

Speaker 3 That's what I'm saying. It shouldn't be done.
It shouldn't happen.

Speaker 6 They would get more viewers.

Speaker 11 I don't think so.

Speaker 21 Let's not do that.

Speaker 16 No. We're not.

Speaker 21 How are the ratings going to be? Are you guys actually interested in this?

Speaker 21 Because many people object to all the ratings talk out here, but I'm interested in what the competition between these two shows will be like.

Speaker 26 I don't give a flying rat's ass about the competition between the two shows.

Speaker 25 I will see social clips of Big Noon.

Speaker 26 I don't care about the ratings. I hope it does a great number just because that's great for that show and Lee Corso.
I only care about saying goodbye to one of television's greatest morning heroes.

Speaker 3 What if Lee Zach and next week two he's on Big Noon?

Speaker 37 And this is a

Speaker 3 spot on the whole time.

Speaker 19 Then he goes to Big Noon.

Speaker 26 His contract actually just expired, and he just goes to Big Noon.

Speaker 4 Big heel turn.

Speaker 31 The real question is, did they offer it?

Speaker 19 Obviously, he'd say no, but did Fox reach out of like, hey, week two, you're with us?

Speaker 34 It'd be cool. That would be a movie.

Speaker 26 Do you remember when Ravishing Rick Rude showed up on Nitro and Raw in the same way?

Speaker 8 Same night.

Speaker 16 That was crazy. Crazy.

Speaker 14 Corso has

Speaker 26 the type of swagger about him and that he could just walk onto that Fox set. He wanders to the wrong set and get a tribute from them.

Speaker 4 Look, they're both

Speaker 4 to the wrong set.

Speaker 16 No, no, no, not Wanders.

Speaker 26 Like with intention, all right? With intention, he just goes over to Fox and he's like, a lot of you guys, Rinaldi, Felica, you all used to be here.

Speaker 35 You know what?

Speaker 34 He might get confused.

Speaker 35 You know what Rinaldi needs to do?

Speaker 26 What Rinaldi needs to do for Big Noon is Big Noon needs to also pay tribute to Lee Corso. Yes.
Because there is no Big Noon without College Game Day. We all know this.

Speaker 18 They should send people over at 9, whatever it it is, 11:45.

Speaker 19 Hey,

Speaker 19 you come back next week, but you go pay respect to Leekovsky. Yeah, everybody.

Speaker 26 Rob Sohan, like it should be simulcast.

Speaker 26 The final headgear should be simulcast.

Speaker 19 We will be silent for the next 12 minutes.

Speaker 34 Then they all sit there.

Speaker 21 That's what Portnoy is going to go do. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Reverend

Speaker 10 Corso.

Speaker 21 You're right. They should.
They should.

Speaker 31 We will now be silent, and then they all just sit there in silence.

Speaker 21 And Urban Meyer just stares straight ahead with a guy in a bong in a mirror smoking something as he talks or doesn't talk.

Speaker 27 Dirty, dirty urban.

Speaker 26 I still revisit that video where he's telling that dude to get out of the way on the boat.

Speaker 27 What's going on there?

Speaker 21 It's a great the urban meyer catastrophe.

Speaker 32 The urban meyer catastrophe in the pros.

Speaker 26 The guy in the mirror seems to be having a great time.

Speaker 21 But wait a minute.

Speaker 21 For everyone to know how that was going to fail and then for that to fail, like, you know, with pictures in a barn in Ohio State with a guy in a mirror smoking a bung on a yacht while he does an interview.

Speaker 35 It's just like what you have to be as a head coach.

Speaker 26 And what we knew about him in front of the press conference backdrop was Urban Meyer is a certain way. He gets success.

Speaker 35 He's kind of like the dictator ruler of this program.

Speaker 23 He's got health issues.

Speaker 3 You had to step down because of just the health issues.

Speaker 10 In the end, dude loved a party.

Speaker 21 I'm sure he'll stop on Saturday to honor Lee Corso.

Speaker 19 We will now be silent for 12 minutes.

Speaker 26 They should say, look, we're going to make our predictions here. We understand we're trying to build something here at big noon.
But head on over to ESPN.

Speaker 21 It's a great idea.

Speaker 19 I would be more likely to tune back in next week to Fox if they did that.

Speaker 26 I would say classy from you.

Speaker 35 I would give them a standing ovation in my living room.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 26 Now, I'm not watching the show regardless, but if I saw that clip, I'd be like, okay.

Speaker 25 Good on you.

Speaker 19 Good on you guys. That's what I'd say.

Speaker 21 And the way that you guys watch television these days, as we go into one of these dirty weekends weekends to get ready for football.

Speaker 4 Stop doing that.

Speaker 35 It's not a dirty weekend.

Speaker 25 It's an awesome weekend.

Speaker 17 First weekend since 1945 we've had this.

Speaker 10 It's all up.

Speaker 26 There's such an uptick in vibes right now.

Speaker 10 This is beautiful. This is not dirty.

Speaker 21 You misinterpreted what my dirty meant. When I said one of these dirty weekends, I meant that the people who listen to this show will spend a weekend on their couch watching non-stop football.

Speaker 4 Not taking a shower

Speaker 21 and not showering.

Speaker 4 So smelly.

Speaker 21 We're headed into Red Zone Sundays, and this is the warm-up. The warm-up is three games with top 10 teams and also Lee Corso kicking it off, leading you to Arch Manning.

Speaker 21 And that game, and when I asked the question, as everyone gets all excited about college football,

Speaker 21 the network that has the game is not the one with Lee Corso, correct?

Speaker 21 So coming out of... So you have to change channels in order to find Lee Corso's moment

Speaker 21 and before a game.

Speaker 18 To find the game, I'd say. They'd probably be on Corso.

Speaker 8 Yeah, when you assume the automatic moves.

Speaker 21 I'm asking you guys, so the changing of a channel is not really something we do now in modern age where we go to a television at an appointed time.

Speaker 16 I think we can handle it.

Speaker 21 I think we can handle it too, but what I'm asking you is the game usually dictates whether you get the numbers before the game.

Speaker 32 That's usually how that works.

Speaker 26 I've been conditioned because Fox with their Big Ten package always prioritizes that noon window. Much of the frustration of the Big Ten fan base, I think, more often than not over the last few years.

Speaker 26 I see the headgear and I switch to the next channel. Or I go to whichever game I'm betting on, which for me is the biggest game of the week.

Speaker 19 You get that YouTube TV, you get the four boxes.

Speaker 3 I think also, like, the big game is never on ESPN after college game day. So you're just kind of used to that routine on Saturdays.
You're never like, okay, now I'm going to stick to ESPN.

Speaker 34 And it's true.

Speaker 3 Minnesota. And it's like, this is not the big game.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's always Saturday nights.

Speaker 4 Yeah. You're right.

Speaker 21 And are we at a point now, given what network and cable television is or the way that people watch this, that you're not excluding the poor when you say you've got multiple devices? You're watching.

Speaker 21 You're addicted to action. And so

Speaker 21 if you've got a television, you've also got your device working in a way that allows you to watch both things at the same time if you want to.

Speaker 4 We're born for for this.

Speaker 30 We've been conditioning for this weekend.

Speaker 26 You know, in 1945, the last time they had this top 10 matchups to start a season, I'm sure

Speaker 27 they were flummoxed.

Speaker 8 I mean, there's enough games on regular television starting in the afternoon that you don't need to get crazy with the subscription services. There's still enough games.

Speaker 16 I don't know.

Speaker 5 I think YouTube TV has till 5 o'clock today to settle a dispute with Fox.

Speaker 8 I was just saying, isn't there something going on as well with the ABC affiliate down here?

Speaker 26 ABC is Channel 18. So if you want to watch, yeah, because it's now owned by Sunbeam Television locally, this is inside, that owns Channel 7, the Fox affiliate down here.

Speaker 26 One affiliate owns two of the networks.

Speaker 8 Just tell me where to go to watch my games.

Speaker 26 Channel 18. Just

Speaker 25 have, you'll find it. Just say sports in your remote.

Speaker 21 Put it on the poll.

Speaker 25 Mike, come change my channel.

Speaker 26 It's very easy.

Speaker 27 And then it'll be like,

Speaker 14 the Premier League, it's a disaster brighten and hove albion oh bite me and cove what no no chelsea fc no not chelsea handler

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Speaker 21 We were talking to and about Freddie Gibbs, and then Greg Cody made an appearance, and Chris Cody made an appearance, and we were talking about the possibility of Freddie Gibbs having, actually having the rap album of the year.

Speaker 21 At which point, Chris Cody, who is too young for this and doesn't know like athletes from the 90s, Chris Cody

Speaker 21 says, is that one of, is that Barry Gibbs? Is he

Speaker 21 and so then the DJ, the BJ BGs start playing. Stugats.

Speaker 4 Well said.

Speaker 13 A little bit of a struggle.

Speaker 4 A little bit rusty here.

Speaker 17 This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

Speaker 21 Chris Cody, what do we have here for the final Sue performance of the day?

Speaker 19 We have a new category, I'd say.

Speaker 18 It's a musical performance category, and I would say the last half dozen years, best musical has just been dominated by the Yetis, the Streeters, the Jeremy's doing these high-produced, well-produced songs.

Speaker 18 And I want to show some love to the other people, the people that call in the Boost Mobile songs, the Rafe LeFrens, the Doliaks, the bad songs, Taylor singing terribly.

Speaker 31 So, we're doing, we're having a new category this year.

Speaker 18 It's called Worst of the Best Musical Performances.

Speaker 29 And now, the SUI nominees for Worst of the Best Musical Performance:

Speaker 29 the best of different listeners singing about Rafe LeFrence and Michael Doliak.

Speaker 39 Don't try to take

Speaker 39 Rafe LeFriend to the home,

Speaker 39 cause you will not scorn.

Speaker 39 You know who that is. That is Rafe LeFriend.
Who the F are you?

Speaker 29 Jeremy Tashay's unfinished Tony Reali song.

Speaker 13 Tony's loyal to John.

Speaker 13 It's great.

Speaker 33 With positivity raised, a fresh in their life.

Speaker 37 Tony Reality's full of life.

Speaker 33 And now he comes to you. Might have a guest or two.

Speaker 21 Tony Realis.

Speaker 13 Fresh forever, Tony Freshness.

Speaker 13 Fresh forever with Tony Fresh and full of life.

Speaker 29 Listener from Boldest Take singing about Alexander Madison.

Speaker 13 Alexander Madison.

Speaker 39 My name is Alexander Madison.

Speaker 29 David Sampson.

Speaker 31 All I need.

Speaker 22 All I need is just a little more time to be sure how I feel.

Speaker 22 Is it just in my mind?

Speaker 29 More listeners singing about Rafe LaFrence and Michael Doliak.

Speaker 39 He's in the paint,

Speaker 39 in the paint,

Speaker 39 Doliac, Doliac, Doliac.

Speaker 39 I would do anything for love,

Speaker 39 but I won't Doliac.

Speaker 39 Oh, no, said I won't Juliet.

Speaker 29 Listener serenades Sergei Bobrovsky.

Speaker 39 Stop that shout.

Speaker 29 Listener sings about Tua Tunga Valoa.

Speaker 39 And I'm here

Speaker 39 to remind you of the check-down pass that you threw to me. He's got gray hair.

Speaker 39 He's left-handed

Speaker 39 with the I black cross that you wear for me. Two, two, two,

Speaker 39 ah.

Speaker 29 Taylor Vipolis, Belichick is coming to town.

Speaker 22 He sees you when you're practicing.

Speaker 22 He knows your favorite place.

Speaker 22 Your script won't work on the first try, cause he's got it all on tape.

Speaker 29 Oh, you better watch out.

Speaker 22 He's getting his guys.

Speaker 22 You better out that ball's PSI.

Speaker 29 Bellichek is coming to town.

Speaker 29 Even more listeners singing about Rayfla France and Michael Doliak.

Speaker 41 Rayfla Friends played several places. Started out at Kansas.
Ended up with the Blazers.

Speaker 39 He was just okay.

Speaker 41 But they let everyone in.

Speaker 16 So Hall of Famer one day.

Speaker 4 He blocked shots back in people's faces.

Speaker 41 And he knocked down threes on a regular basis.

Speaker 16 When Rape La France

Speaker 42 played in all those places.

Speaker 42 Doliac,

Speaker 39 he's six feet from the rim. And I'm thinking,

Speaker 39 maybe six feet is close enough.

Speaker 29 Taylor Vipolis, Fire Mac Brown.

Speaker 13 Well, I'd fire Mac Brown.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I'd fire Mac Brown.

Speaker 29 Watching this team is my personal hell. Yeah, I'd fire Mac Brown.

Speaker 21 I'm not sure that deserved to be a category.

Speaker 16 Oh, man.

Speaker 16 All the boost mobile calls. Got to do something with those.

Speaker 4 No, we don't.

Speaker 21 We could have just never thought of it.

Speaker 28 No.

Speaker 21 We could have just never thought of them again.

Speaker 16 One of the options was upholding a standard.

Speaker 21 I thought that was on the table.

Speaker 10 Works

Speaker 4 of the best, guys.

Speaker 21 Billy came in here and harumped something today that made me feel like he soon

Speaker 21 is going to be an Abuelo.

Speaker 21 He came in here and he said 50 home runs used to mean something. Oh, that is true.
Wow.

Speaker 3 I mean, it wasn't a talk. It was just, sometimes it's just a comment.
It wasn't for talking on air about. Just 50 home runs used to.

Speaker 10 Did it not used to mean something?

Speaker 3 50 home runs.

Speaker 20 It did.

Speaker 6 Cal Raleigh has 50 home runs.

Speaker 3 Happened two days ago. Big dumper.
No one here was talking about it.

Speaker 3 Used to mean something.

Speaker 25 So did baseball.

Speaker 6 You used to sit down and be like, oh, 50 home runs.

Speaker 8 You know what they're doing right now, this Seattle, San Diego. You know what that is, right? You know what it is? It's the Vetter Cup.

Speaker 8 Super Eddie Veteran Pearl Jam. They're playing the Vetter Cup.
That's right. And Cal Raleigh, he won the Better Man MVP Award the other day.

Speaker 21 This is Pearl Jam dorking out. He's doing.
People are so tired of that. It's the only part of Zazzlow they don't.

Speaker 10 I'll take things that were relevant in 1995.

Speaker 8 Well, Mariners and Padres are doing it.

Speaker 30 Vetter Cup.

Speaker 18 To Billy's point, Amin said earlier in the show that Cal Raleigh is on pace to break Judges' AL home run record.

Speaker 34 And we're just like, Do you think they're going to break into programming for that?

Speaker 35 Because

Speaker 35 I have my doubts. They're not going to do it.

Speaker 26 They did it for a Yankee, but they're not doing it for a big dumper.

Speaker 3 No, I don't think so. And poor Maris's kid is probably like,

Speaker 6 I'll be there, like, Roger Jr., not your time anymore, buddy.

Speaker 21 So 61 doesn't mean anything anymore?

Speaker 3 It didn't mean anything since 1998. Then we tried to pretend to make it a thing.
Like, this is the AL Homer and Records. Like, no one gives an AL about that.

Speaker 10 ESPN.

Speaker 25 ESPN.

Speaker 37 Straight up.

Speaker 26 If you eat into Memphis, Cincinnati, for a cow raleigh at bat, we riot.

Speaker 4 I'm gonna kill you.

Speaker 14 No, I'm gonna ESPN. I'm gonna kill you.

Speaker 14 What is that? I'm gonna kill you.

Speaker 21 A riot would have sufficed.

Speaker 34 I'm gonna kill you.

Speaker 4 I don't even want to kill you.

Speaker 35 I'm gonna kill you, ESPN.

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