Hour 1: Lucy Rohden vs. Working Here (feat. Lucy Rohden)

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Speaker 7 This is the Dan Levatar Show with the Stu Gats Podcast.

Speaker 20 Or just like anything to say about, you know, obviously last game today.

Speaker 5 I just love all the different headpieces.

Speaker 21 It's the best. And that's actually the main reason why I wanted to come down here and support the Buckeye shoot.

Speaker 19 Did you hit your vape? What?

Speaker 20 Did you hit your vape in the middle of this interview?

Speaker 22 No.

Speaker 21 Must have been the win.

Speaker 20 I am just as shocked as you all are. I still still work here.
Who knew?

Speaker 20 I did it, but I'm back on the road again. Not only do I still work here, they're letting me do this for a third year.

Speaker 20 And to kick it off, we are here in Columbus, Ohio for the biggest opening game ever. Texas, Ohio State.

Speaker 20 We got denied for credentials.

Speaker 24 We need some ping pong balls.

Speaker 23 Like

Speaker 21 we can't get that excited because we don't have f ⁇ ing ping pong balls.

Speaker 20 I'm just going to start off by asking you the tough tough question. I'm gonna put you in a bad mood.
Did Michigan get away with it?

Speaker 8 Absolutely they got away with it. $20 million is not even close to a significant amount of money for them.

Speaker 21 You take all the competitives out of the game and it's a rivalry game. Like that's just that's just

Speaker 21 Michigan. Michigan.

Speaker 23 That's what I come from.

Speaker 25 Always.

Speaker 22 All the time.

Speaker 20 What should the punishment have been? Like what would have been fair?

Speaker 8 Vacate all the wins in the national championship and the three wins against us.

Speaker 20 What about the death penalty?

Speaker 8 Kind of a gray area. I'm not sure about the death penalty.

Speaker 20 Actually, the actual death penalty for Jim Harbaugh.

Speaker 21 Harbaugh should get punished in the NFL for

Speaker 21 just run away from your scandal.

Speaker 20 It's exactly what he did after being like, we do not cheat.

Speaker 20 We do things the right way.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 20 They say, Michigan man, Michigan man, Michigan man.

Speaker 24 Give me something to me, man.

Speaker 20 F you. Is Arch Manning, is he properly hyped, overly hyped, underhyped?

Speaker 8 Properly hyped. Respect there.

Speaker 21 I do love Arch Manning. I mean,

Speaker 21 he's a humble guy.

Speaker 27 He's gotten the stuff.

Speaker 20 He's gonna be so good.

Speaker 28 Raise your hand, overrated.

Speaker 22 Okay.

Speaker 20 Okay, so everyone's got their hand up.

Speaker 29 Hell yeah.

Speaker 27 He's proved nothing so far except for his name.

Speaker 21 Personally, he's a very great player, but you're not gonna come out into the shoe, big noon, biggest game of the year, and not be rattled.

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Speaker 20 Brian Day has very actively denied dying his hair and dyeing his beard. Do you think that he's telling the truth?

Speaker 21 Um, it's natural, unless he loses to Texas.

Speaker 20 Do you know what a Buckeye is?

Speaker 23 Like, the animal?

Speaker 20 Not an animal. Uh, chocolate with peanut butter? Not quite.
A buckeye is a nut.

Speaker 23 Oh.

Speaker 20 I'm from Miami, Florida. Oh, Jesus Christ.
We're a Miami show.

Speaker 23 Yes, yes. My dad helps me back home.

Speaker 20 Yeah, no, if you tell your dad you were on the damn Levato show, I think he'll flip. I'm gonna die.
Bobby, I'm on TV.

Speaker 20 So my favorite favorite part of off-roading is getting to be a part of like what I think makes college football so special. And it's these like little communities and these little moments.

Speaker 20 So we were invited to this tailgate called Jack and Day Olds where they've been tailgating for 30 years and they do an initiation ceremony.

Speaker 24 And now we dip it in our

Speaker 24 and then we take a bite of our donut, a small bite of our donut.

Speaker 23 And we savor

Speaker 31 and we dunk it.

Speaker 24 We then finish that off with a toast of each other, the friendship, the friendship.

Speaker 26 A toast of fellowship.

Speaker 20 The fellowship.

Speaker 24 And then we take a sip.

Speaker 21 And you're initiated into the group.

Speaker 23 Woo-hoo!

Speaker 26 I'm one of us. Do we get like t-shirts or something? All right, we need t-shirts.

Speaker 20 So we had a bit of a, like, just a mess up here on the off-roading team. And it was Rose's fault.
And we did this like beautiful initiation ceremony where Rose accidentally forgot to press record.

Speaker 20 It happens. I forgive her.
However, there are natural punishments to your actions. And so, because I had to eat two soggy donuts rose has to drink the soggy donut water look at this it has fish

Speaker 8 i'm not gonna mess up a game do you guys have a favoritely corso memory or obviously he put on the buckeye head so many times he's been the iron man for so long he loves the game i don't think there's a parallel to him other than oh what's the dick vital it's probably the dick vital of football right or maybe me right probably you or dick vital i love him to death but

Speaker 33 he's so old. Like,

Speaker 33 he looks like a Roomba moving around.

Speaker 32 Bad news.

Speaker 20 I'm a little rusty.

Speaker 32 I'm losing my voice. Rose is going to have to sub in.

Speaker 30 That's Ryan's day.

Speaker 20 Dice is beer.

Speaker 27 Look, it doesn't matter what I say, because Mike Ryan is going to come back and guarantee that he does it.

Speaker 34 So what if he does? Who cares?

Speaker 30 Do you want to say anything to Dan?

Speaker 34 I'm very proud of myself. This is a self-brag.
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Speaker 1 Love everything you guys do.

Speaker 20 Do you guys feel confident about the game today?

Speaker 30 No.

Speaker 22 Let's go.

Speaker 3 Let's hook them.

Speaker 20 It was so great to be back on the road. Even better to still have a job because what that was up in the, I didn't know.
I really didn't know, but thank God.

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Speaker 31 We are going to announce all the SUI winners later. I don't want to spoil any surprises except to say that guy didn't win anything.
He didn't win shit.

Speaker 31 That guy didn't win anything for his Wraithler friends. I won't give you any more information on that.

Speaker 22 It was a good song earlier on.

Speaker 31 It got a SUI. It got a SUI nomination.
That's always an honor. Lucy, we are thrilled to see you again.
It means that college football has returned.

Speaker 31 There are a lot of things to talk about in college football that are very exciting. I legitimately, look at that, look at all the applause back there.

Speaker 31 She's bringing in, she's bringing in, she's bringing back tailgates.

Speaker 22 She works here. Yes, she's working.

Speaker 31 She is bringing back enthusiasm for sports.

Speaker 31 So if I said to you the one story that you'd be talking about after the weekend, and I'm throwing Belichick into the mix to give you the offer, but the one story from the weekend, the one that you thought was most interesting was what?

Speaker 31 Because I saw a lot of people on that report saying Arch Manning was special and no one had seen Arch Manning play.

Speaker 32 It has to be Alabama. Like Arch Manning having a bad game against one of the best defenses in college football on the road of the defending national champions.
Like, oh, that's so surprising.

Speaker 32 Like, I don't think that's a big deal. I think that's something that in two months, we're all going to look back and be like, yeah, that just makes a ton of sense given the circumstances.

Speaker 32 Alabama losing the way they did is far and away the most interesting storyline of this weekend. And for me, when I look at week one, I understand it's like a one-week sample size.

Speaker 32 So I try not to take too much out of it, except for that Alabama game. The way they were absolutely out-physicaled, out-coached, just I have not seen them lose like that.

Speaker 32 Well, since their last game against Michigan and since their game against Oklahoma before that and Vanderbilt, but still very, very big deal.

Speaker 31 Pretty hard what Saban did there, huh? Hard to do when Clemson and Georgia and Ohio State all want your players.

Speaker 32 It's like, I think it's what I expected when Calen DeBoer took the job was for there was obviously going to be a step back because Nick Saban is the greatest of all time.

Speaker 32 I think what's been so shocking about the step back is everyone assumed, okay, now Alabama might lose to Georgia a little bit more. They might lose to Tennessee a little bit more.

Speaker 32 We were not expecting losing to this Florida State team, which by the way, not the two in 10 Florida State team of last year.

Speaker 32 Completely different coaches, completely different players, but still it was an embarrassing loss.

Speaker 32 And it was the way that Alabama is losing that it's like my entire TikTok feed right now are Alabama fans with making sad edits of like, I miss you so much, Jalen Milro and Nick Sabin.

Speaker 32 And I think it's really funny.

Speaker 27 Lucy, how do you balance, though, Alabama's performance compared to Florida State?

Speaker 32 Well, I think what I would say for like Alabama is I don't want to take anything away from Florida State. I thought that was a super impressive victory.
Tommy Castellanos was amazing.

Speaker 32 Like you can't take what they did away because they were dominant that whole game.

Speaker 32 I think where I take the conclusions from Alabama is because this isn't a one-size-like sample where they played like this against Michigan. They played like this against Oklahoma.

Speaker 32 They played like this against Vanderbilt. And Alabama has never played like that ever.

Speaker 32 Like we have never seen that type of consistent losing, that kind of consistent, like just frankly, getting your ass beat, but that's not something we've seen.

Speaker 31 Luce, it's so strange to see some of these numbers right they've lost three of their last four in the last 17 years nick saban lost three times in a season twice and he got out at exactly the right time because he overachieved with that bad team at the end he got very close and it's just like i'll see you later i can see what's coming here these other teams are getting players so i did did nick saban see what was coming where he wasn't going to be able to keep winning that way or are we going to assume forever that nick saban would have figured it out in the very next year he'd never look like this i don't think he would ever look like this.

Speaker 32 I think that he did sort of see the writing on the wall with this like NIL was going to open up some of the competition.

Speaker 32 Like players that might typically go to Alabama or Georgia, they might be going to Texas Tech now. Like things are a little bit different there.

Speaker 32 But like Nick Saban has always had very well coached, very well disciplined teams.

Speaker 32 I heard this crazy stat that since Kalen DeBoer has took over at Alabama, they have never had a game where Alabama was the less penalized team.

Speaker 32 Where so every time that Alabama is playing, they have more penalties than their opponent.

Speaker 32 That's not stuff that Nick Sabin does and you can sort of see that like Kaylin DeBoer he's definitely stressing he's definitely sort of like not being able to figure it out like this week at his press conference someone tried to ask him a question just about like preparation and he just didn't know what they were talking about it was we have the video if we want to play it but it was about their Florida State prep and he was lost You mentioned the great week before the game.

Speaker 37 Just how much do you self-scout the preparation before games? And are there times as a coach where maybe you notice during the week that things might not be going the way that you want them to?

Speaker 37 You said, what do you mean great week? A great week. You said a great week of preparation.
For this week, you're saying? Or are you referring to last week?

Speaker 37 Going up without Florida State before that game.

Speaker 37 I said that. You said that, yeah, before.

Speaker 23 Oh, just somebody. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 37 All right.

Speaker 30 Jeez. Wolf.
Wow.

Speaker 32 Yeah, he doesn't know what's going on.

Speaker 19 Wow, fake it at least.

Speaker 31 Well, ESPN, all over ESPN, people are calling for DeBoer's firing. And I'm like, good God, that happened quick to Alabama.

Speaker 31 In fact, I'm trying to remember a time where you had the juiciness of Belichick and Alabama and everyone in sports is just hate celebrating does anyone know how much Kalen DeBoer's buyout is I'll let you guess it's over 60 isn't it I think it's 77 it's 90 of whatever remains I think right so right now it's around 70 million dollars wow

Speaker 22 what was that I love it I mean it's

Speaker 31 that is is that all of college football laughing under its breath at Alabama just tired of getting its ass kicked by Alabama for 17 years am I the only one that feels bad for DeBoer?

Speaker 32 I feel bad for him, like a little bit. I don't feel bad for Alabama.
Like, welcome to the real world. This is how we've all been living for the last 20 years.

Speaker 30 Yeah, I don't feel bad for their fans.

Speaker 32 Yeah, you like, welcome, one of us now. It's not that fun.
But for DeBoer, I do feel bad because I didn't think it was a bad hire at the time.

Speaker 32 And like, but also at the same time, you take that Alabama job, you understand that

Speaker 32 the expectations are so much higher and there's no wiggle room. Like you have to succeed and you have to succeed right away.

Speaker 32 It's just like crazy because anyone who hires a new head coach, you get nine wins in your first year. You probably feel pretty good.
But like the vibes there are really, really awful. They're bad.

Speaker 32 I don't think they're going to fire him because $70 million is a lot of money. But the whole thing is just like, it's crazy.
That is not an Alabama football team. It doesn't look like it.

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Speaker 20 I just texted my best friend Hannah and asked her who she thinks is going to win tonight. And she has never watched a hockey game this entire season.

Speaker 20 She's picking the Rangers and she's an astophysicist. She's real smart.
I'll text Joey.

Speaker 6 Dan, you know what I found out about Hannah today?

Speaker 5 An anagram.

Speaker 9 Stugats.

Speaker 5 You said Anna or Hannah?

Speaker 22 Hannah. Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 17 Anna too, depending on how you spell it.

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Speaker 6 Same with one and Anna.

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Speaker 31 Well, you say they're not going to fire him because $70 million is a lot of money, and it is, obviously.

Speaker 31 But when you've bloated that fan base on the success of the last 17 years, they're not going to sit there and take this very long.

Speaker 31 Like, I would assume that they would be more cutthroat about that than any program in the nation, given how spoiled that fan base is.

Speaker 29 And then keep in mind, they also saved so much money on not firing their head coach because all the other coaches were chasing Nick Sabin.

Speaker 5 They've got 20 years of never having to have that conversation.

Speaker 31 This is nuts what's happening in Alabama when you consider what Lane Tiffin told us, which is every time I stepped on the field, I knew we had the bigger, better players.

Speaker 31 Every single time I'm looking at the other sideline, they're not as big and strong and fast as us. And so, of course, we're going to win most of the games.
If you eliminate that, and now

Speaker 31 all of a sudden, you've got an as well undisciplined football team that's getting manhandled.

Speaker 31 It was an interesting, gleeful thing, but I thought that last night and what happened to Belichick was even more gleeful because we've seen Alabama doing some losing in recent years

Speaker 31 and we haven't seen a coach going into this offseason coming in and getting embarrassed by a point total he'd never allowed at any level so Lucy you explain to me what it is that's happening there why are so many people delighting in the downfall of Bill Belichick and presuming that this is what's going to be so

Speaker 32 but Dan did you see the first drive did you see that that was great Skip Bayless.

Speaker 31 What did Skip Bayless say about the first drive?

Speaker 29 At 8.16 p.m., Skip Bayless tweeted, wow, Belichick has a national championship offense. Heels just shredded frogs defense.

Speaker 32 That's so great.

Speaker 32 I think, like, I think Bill Belichick is sort of in that same sort of Alabama Sabin realm where we as sports fans are so used to him winning all the time and doing it in a way that you're like, everyone else is suffering because nothing is fun and you've taken all the good things and you've hoarded them.

Speaker 32 Well, now you're at a different sport. You're at a school that's like just kind of a weird fit.
You're in the ACC.

Speaker 32 Like to see him go out and just completely just like. have a dud of a game, which I don't think is going to be like the exception.

Speaker 32 I don't think this is just like TCU is really good, although I do think TCU is a good football team. Like you have 70 new players.

Speaker 32 You are playing in a different sport that plays a different style of football. You are the oldest coach in all of college football trying to relate to 18 year olds.

Speaker 32 Like the whole vibe of it was just like, this isn't going to work.

Speaker 32 And I think it's so important to acknowledge that the ACC has changed how they give out their TV revenue where it was just like equally spread out across the schools, but they've changed the format and the system.

Speaker 32 So it's based off of TV ratings now, which makes this higher still probably a good thing for Carolina because I think they're going to make a lot of money off this because people are going to tune in, especially they're going to tune in to see Bill Belichick be really terrible at his job.

Speaker 6 I don't understand why the reaction that people are having to Belichick losing the way he did last night is surprising anyone.

Speaker 35 Like, he's been nasty for years.

Speaker 6 Like, even earlier, you know, it's a petty reaction from people like me, because I love what I watched last night.

Speaker 39 Why is it petty?

Speaker 35 He's been a nasty man for a really long time.

Speaker 39 Right. I'm glad that they're terrible, and I'm glad that he's losing.

Speaker 19 I know, but the one thing I would say is let's stop with the tarnish his legacy stuff. He could go three and nine this season and quit, and he's still got all the rings, all the Super Bowl rings.

Speaker 19 His legacy is set, period.

Speaker 32 I don't know about that. Like he made the choice to take this job and to go to college football and to be in the ACC and you're not going to be able to succeed at this level.

Speaker 32 Like your competition is Dave Doran now and you don't think that you're going to be able to like be the best. I feel like this move was what we all expected it to be.

Speaker 32 It was so clearly, hey, I just need something to do until the NFL calls me again. Unfortunately, I think he thought he would win a little bit more in the process and not look so bad.

Speaker 32 So he might have hurt his own chances. But like, this is how he's choosing to end his career, then like, fine, take the, take the consequences of that.

Speaker 13 I mean, to make this choice per optistats, TCU was the only FBS team in the last 20 seasons to have two 25-plus yard rushing touchdowns, a 25-plus-yard passing touchdown, a 25-plus-yard interception return for a touchdown, and a 25 plus yard fumble return for a touchdown, all in the same game.

Speaker 6 Belichick had never allowed all of that over an entire season as a head coach.

Speaker 18 His team was a joke last night.

Speaker 27 And I do think there's a lot more that can be said for his legacy based on what happens with North Carolina.

Speaker 35 Because, look, if we thought that the discussion was done as far as Brady Belichick, when Brady left the Patriots and then won a Super Bowl with someone else.

Speaker 39 What's it going to look like now when Belichick finally left New England and, oh, he's also terrible over here while Brady won a Super Bowl over there?

Speaker 7 Like, I still think there's a lot of this story to be written potentially.

Speaker 19 Yeah, but Zaz, you're a journalist.

Speaker 19 In the broad view. Finally.
In the broad view,

Speaker 19 the lead paragraph of his obituary is six times Super Bowl winner. Yes.
And North Carolina is maybe lower in the story.

Speaker 18 Yes, but Brady winning elsewhere was like, up, see, Brady, he's the guy. You don't think now Belichick going elsewhere exacerbates that whole opinion?

Speaker 2 It's somewhat.

Speaker 19 Just somewhat.

Speaker 30 Maybe right.

Speaker 19 I don't think anything overshadows those Super Bowls. It's just that.

Speaker 31 Well, but if this can't tarnish legacy, then Legacy cannot be tarnished. Not this game, but I'm just talking about an ending unlike any that we have ever seen.

Speaker 31 The stats of him with Tom Brady and apart apart from Tom Brady are jarring. I will read them to you in a moment.

Speaker 31 But I do wonder how that docuseries of their life is going to feel when we're watching a relationship that's being featured for the defensive coordinator at Vanderbilt or Wake Forest, because that's Belichick's next stop on this particular tour, is being defensive coordinator somewhere, and I'm sure love will follow him wherever he goes.

Speaker 22 A snort.

Speaker 31 Did you just snort?

Speaker 22 What happened? That was a snort. What just happened?

Speaker 22 What? What did it just happen? That was funny to me. That was a snort.
I know.

Speaker 31 Who snorts anymore? Lucy, thank you for being on the show.

Speaker 36 Laugh, Nominee.

Speaker 31 Welcome back. We are thrilled to have you back this year.
Thank you. You're going to kill it all season.

Speaker 32 Bye, guys. Have fun.
Make good choices.

Speaker 31 I don't know if we're going to do that around here.

Speaker 31 I do want to talk a little bit more about Belichick, but we also have our SUI winners to get to because this is an interesting delight to see happening because this guy ruled 20 years of football in a way that we've never seen.

Speaker 31 I love it.

Speaker 9 I I think Zaszlo, it wasn't said loud enough. Last night was embarrassing.

Speaker 5 It was a joke. It was a joke.

Speaker 29 You went through an entire fall camp of evaluation and you rolled out this offense with

Speaker 35 stupid documentaries and sit-downs with the girlfriend and then that

Speaker 39 with all those dignitaries who were in the same.

Speaker 18 That's what you put out there. It was a joke.

Speaker 29 This is the quarterback you landed on? You really think that you're that much smarter than everybody else?

Speaker 5 You can win with Freddy Kitchens and this quarterback and do your style.

Speaker 29 Like your team looked so in over its head.

Speaker 5 And keep in mind, UNC, understand, they had a bad year last year, six and seven.

Speaker 36 This wasn't a program in tatters, right?

Speaker 29 This is a program that, from a football perspective, has been in the mix in that conference.

Speaker 27 They've won six games or more. I think six consecutive games.

Speaker 2 Wait, wait,

Speaker 31 let me just stop you for just a second because I watched that North Carolina football team after it lost to James Madison in a game where James Madison had 50 at the half.

Speaker 31 And And I'm like, how is this possible?

Speaker 25 James Madison's been good the past couple of weeks.

Speaker 36 No, but Billy,

Speaker 31 on the road to have 52 points at the half against North Carolina and be up something like 52-21 didn't make sense.

Speaker 29 I understand, but you can't have that couch your entire view. Like, let's take a treetop view here on North Carolina and say, this isn't the disaster.

Speaker 31 No, my point is their defense was really bad last year. And my point is that what he had to come in and fix when his standard is professional football players who are champions look like this.

Speaker 31 Can I go find a defense that makes me smarter than everyone else? And for a half,

Speaker 31 he's losing 20 to 7 or whatever it was, 21-7. He goes in at halftime, and now America is expectant.
Now the genius will make the adjustments. Hell, I saw Marcus Freeman make adjustments.

Speaker 31 I know Christopal helped him, but I saw Marcus Freeman make adjustments that altered a team that was outmatched physically so that the second half didn't feel like that.

Speaker 31 And what happens out of the locker room?

Speaker 31 Kickoff return for a touchdown, 75 yards because he doesn't actually have a good team that much can be obvious stated off of game one we don't need any more evidence but he's placed the bar in a place where if he is actually what many of us have believed him to be He's just lowered the expectation so much that by doing the opposite of what Deion did at Colorado against TCU, he's lowered the expectation so much in one game that now no one expects anything.

Speaker 31 Like you've gone from where the expectations were, which were inflating the point spread on a team that wasn't ready, to agree with me on this.

Speaker 31 So much room for improvement that he can actually improve it because this has to be the worst that it looks, correct?

Speaker 39 In a month they have Clemson. They're going to get murdered.

Speaker 29 Man, before the season, I was kind of there with you when they announced this. I'm like, you said, quote, this beast is coming to college football.

Speaker 36 And we were all laughing. Like, what does Mario Cristobal have for Bill Belichick?

Speaker 29 This guy's going to stroll into a joke conference and totally outmatch these head coaches there.

Speaker 35 Right, there's this narrative that, oh, you know, look what he did to NFL head coaches, college coaches stand no chance against him.

Speaker 4 Dude is washed.

Speaker 29 And I was there with you initially, and then I saw his whole approach to talent acquisition, and he genuinely approached this with an arrogance as if he were smart. No, I'll develop these guys.

Speaker 29 I don't need to play the same game everybody else is.

Speaker 5 And then you realize, oh, late in that transfer portal window, dude went to the portal heavy, but it was a little too late.

Speaker 29 Like, this guy has to learn not just the game an entire culture there is a business model that you have to establish in order to compete and he just thought with bill belichick and the whole gravitas he can just stroll in there and he got embarrassed embarrassed by a solid team a team that was in the national championship a couple years ago well this wasn't the team that colorado beat a couple years ago coming off of the national championship no no like if he's doing that out the gates you're right there's some guys on that schedule that are going to push those dudes around if everything you guys are saying is is true It can't be overstated how embarrassing and humiliating his college debut was, but this is true, too.

Speaker 19 It's one effing game. And when I say don't bring legacy into this, the analogy I would use is Michael Jordan.
Nobody cares that he was a lousy owner because he was Michael Jordan.

Speaker 19 Nobody's going to care that Bill Belichick in the winter of his career had one or two bad seasons in college. He's still...

Speaker 31 You're saying no one's going to care, but they're going to care while it's happening.

Speaker 19 They're going to care in North Carolina.

Speaker 35 Yeah, those are are different things, like not caring about Michael Jordan's legacy.

Speaker 7 He wasn't playing for the Bobcats.

Speaker 18 Like, he was the owner. Belichick is still coaching.

Speaker 9 Right, I get that.

Speaker 18 It'd be like if Jordan was still playing and then he was terrible.

Speaker 39 No, that, like, Belichick is still doing the thing that he's supposed to be really great at, except his resume tells us when he doesn't have Brady, he's actually terrible.

Speaker 16 Do you think if Belichick knew how the rest of the game was going to play out, he would have enjoyed that first touchdown more?

Speaker 36 Everyone was like, oh, look at him.

Speaker 4 He's not smiling.

Speaker 4 He's all business.

Speaker 17 I feel like if he knew he was gonna get blown out after that he would have given a few high fives maybe a smirk did you see the uh the belchek move that he pulled before the game where they released the depth chart oh someone took a picture let's see this later this is what i'm talking about man there's a depth chart except if you can if you can zoom in it's just the name of every position and there are zero players listed under any position he's gonna trick them he's gonna no depth chart he's gonna so so that he can trick them because he wants to give them no information well he didn't want tc to know what was coming do you think they know they can go on espn.com they could probably find the depth chart do you think they know?

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Speaker 17 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 20 He seems like a not-nice guy, and he's always been a not-nice guy. I don't care for him, and I hope he has the day he deserves.

Speaker 22 Oh,

Speaker 9 Stugats.

Speaker 22 I hope

Speaker 31 he has the day he deserves.

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I'm like, I hope you have the day you deserve.

Speaker 22 It's a great sign.

Speaker 22 It's a great kind of thing.

Speaker 25 Yes.

Speaker 24 It's beautiful.

Speaker 31 It's leaving it to the cosmos to sort it out.

Speaker 20 That's a less southern. Bless your heart.

Speaker 9 This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

Speaker 19 Well, a lot of coaches do that. Mario Cristobal says, or somebody, or somebody on about half of the possessions.

Speaker 31 Yeah, they're secretive lunatics.

Speaker 31 Many of them don't have functioning normal relationships in their life because of how lopsided having to compete against Mario Cristobal, who's a crazy person, because he's going to try and out.

Speaker 31 Mario Cristobal, we saw in that Miami game, we saw how Miami will win and we saw how Miami will lose.

Speaker 31 We saw a team that was disciplined on defense the hardest way, which is to be physical and disciplined. Those teams of Mario Cristobal have not been that.

Speaker 31 And what you saw at the end of the first half where they have 18 seconds left, they score a touchdown, but it's all the two touchdown passes required great throws from the quarterback, a great catch from a wide receiver.

Speaker 31 Could have been disaster plays under other circumstances. But I thought watching the game between Miami and Notre Dame, I thought it was two things, and both of these things can be true.

Speaker 31 Miami should be happy that it wins that game no matter what, because Miami often loses that game for a lot of reasons.

Speaker 31 And Miami fans being upset with Mario Cristobal because he did all the things in that game that will lose you a game when you have the physical advantages against the team.

Speaker 31 When you have physical advantages, offensive and defensive line, and another team gives you two turnovers, that game should not be close.

Speaker 31 And a lot of people are complaining in the Miami, a lot of people are complaining that Mario Cristobal went very conservative.

Speaker 22 They're not wrong.

Speaker 29 They should be happy that he trusted a defense that was among the worst we've ever seen just a couple of months ago.

Speaker 29 It took him a couple of months to go into a game against Notre Dame and say, you know what? I'm going to let my defense win this game. They wasted the greatest offense this program has ever had.

Speaker 29 And they could not stop anybody. Pedestrian offenses would run at will.

Speaker 29 And he leaned on the defense to win a game against the national runner-up.

Speaker 5 And he almost blew this game.

Speaker 2 It's a two-score game.

Speaker 5 That game turned into a rock fight at times. And to your point about the composure and the culture and the discipline, Dan, there was one play that I saw.

Speaker 29 I didn't notice it during the game. But JoJo Trader got picked up by his face mask by a Notre Dame player, dragged about 10 yards.

Speaker 29 This all happened right in front of the officials who weren't great on the day. JoJo Trader did nothing in retaliation.
No flag was thrown. The retaliation would have certainly drawn a flag.

Speaker 29 You remember how Miami season ended last year at Syracuse? Jacoby George, who we're always worried about losing his mind and backing Miami up.

Speaker 36 I went through fall camp.

Speaker 29 I'm like, who's the guy that we're worried about?

Speaker 5 If this dude can put it all together, then we're good.

Speaker 5 No,

Speaker 29 it took several years to finally weed that stuff out of the locker room.

Speaker 5 But these dudes have discipline now and they've bought into a culture.

Speaker 29 They're all thinking the same way.

Speaker 5 They had one bust. They had one play.

Speaker 36 You can't have it when they had it. One bad play.

Speaker 22 One bad play.

Speaker 31 You cannot have it when they had it because there were no big plays in that game. And I think the Notre Dame offense is capable of a great many big plays.

Speaker 31 And so I was surprised to see Miami's defense that improved. I was surprised to see him that physical and disciplined because crystal ball teams do get penalized a lot.

Speaker 31 That was a shocking stat Lucy just gave us that every damn game DeBoer plays in, he's got more penalties than the other team.

Speaker 29 That's not what good football teams are.

Speaker 31 Well, it's certainly not what Alabama is used to because when do you get penalties often? It's not just discipline.

Speaker 31 It's, oh, these guys are too big, strong, and fast, so I have the Chiefs to stop them. Like, that's how a lot of people are playing against Alabama.

Speaker 29 Jeremiah Love is a great player, and Ruben Bain knew Jeremiah Love from that film study because one of his notes, as we saw earlier, were bleep Jeremiah Love.

Speaker 29 But

Speaker 29 we were talking about this on Monday and like it did feel like they should have gotten him involved in the game a little bit more. Too many quarterback keepers on those RPOs.

Speaker 5 And then I looked at the stats.

Speaker 29 Everybody was upset that Jeremiah Love just got 10 carries in that game. Jeremiah Love last year got 11 carries a game.

Speaker 29 They fed him the same amount. The problem was the 3.3 yards per carry.
And if Jeremiah Love played Miami's defense in the CFP last year, he would have gone for 300 yards on the ground.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 6 That was the thing that stood out to me the most about the game where, you know, last year when Keynes fans are complaining about they should have been allowed in the playoff, you know, it's like, and what?

Speaker 6 So they could just get their shit kicked in at some Big Ten team in the first round of the playoffs. That team that I watched on Sunday night, that team would have played with anyone.

Speaker 6 Like it was, it was a major difference what we were watching Sunday. That team there plays with anyone.

Speaker 29 The game was essentially one, scoring right before half and then then taking the ball and holding it for seven and a half minutes.

Speaker 10 It was so impressive that first drive.

Speaker 29 There were 14 points scored in like a 12 and a half minute span, where that's what it has to look like.

Speaker 29 Yes, I know we get all super excited where Cam Ward is having to chase the game and put up as many possible points as possible because

Speaker 29 you can't keep any teams under 40 points, but that's how you choke a game away and that's how it's going to have to look in November.

Speaker 16 Kanes fans are cool with that first drive in the third quarter because everyone's freaking out about Mario's offense and the second.

Speaker 31 Everything after that. So let me just stop everyone for a second when I say

Speaker 31 on display there, a future Monday show, if you had to bet on it, are we going to be saying in a future Monday show, oh, they had that one, but all the Crystal Ball thing happened, things happened where you don't understand how they lost.

Speaker 31 If they'd lost that game because they missed a 47-yard field goal, that game would have been over, and I'd be really confused as to how they lost that game with a two-turnover advantage and advantages on the offensive and defensive line.

Speaker 31 And I'd be in here saying, good God, they weren't stopped by Notre Dame running the ball. They just kept running between the tackles because they're not doing anything creative on the corners.

Speaker 31 And everyone knows statistically. What's the caveman Cristobal going to do? He's going to punch you in the face because he wants to run it down the middle of the field.

Speaker 31 empirically, numerically, more than anyone. He wants to have, man, he was the one recruiting out for Alabama when they got that big.

Speaker 31 What he wants is, we will punch you in the face and run right down the middle of the field when we wish to because we're bigger and stronger than you, but they're not yet.

Speaker 29 Everyone was saying that was a conservative play call. Yeah, but what's conservative about six yards a clip? Notre Dame got a stop there and then scored right afterwards.

Speaker 5 And that's what happens with a two-score game.

Speaker 27 The conservative part that I had an issue with was on the last drive. All right.
We're tied at 24 and it came down to, yeah, you know what?

Speaker 18 Like, this isn't the NFL.

Speaker 27 These kickers can miss any kick in college.

Speaker 39 And Chris Ball was seemingly totally good with a 47-yard field goal. That is, in the NFL.

Speaker 31 As if he still had Carlos Huerta or Borgalis or any of these guys.

Speaker 35 That's a gimme in the NFL.

Speaker 27 In college, these kickers miss from everywhere. I would have rather not kick a 47-yard field goal.

Speaker 29 That kick also would have been good from 65.

Speaker 39 I get it. He bombed it.

Speaker 31 But if he missed it, Mike, we're having it.

Speaker 30 If he missed it, I was terrified before the kicker.

Speaker 31 We would have no explanation for how that game was lost. We'd be like on quarterback draws.

Speaker 29 And we would have joined Penn State in that.

Speaker 5 Like, how did Notre Dame come into this stadium yet again?

Speaker 29 The other team controlled the game, and yet Notre Dame is victorious at the end. That team is a resilient, tough team.
And I'm not going to apologize for winning. What?

Speaker 29 Because a double-digit lead ended up being a three-point spread? Get out of here. They just beat Notre Dame, who's going to be good and get better as the season goes on.

Speaker 19 And by the way, when you describe Mario Crisobal as a guy who just wants

Speaker 19 to play big and to run the ball up your throat, that certainly wasn't the case last year when Cam Ward was throwing the ball all over the field and setting...

Speaker 31 No, it was. Statistically, they ran between the tackles more than any team but Baylor.

Speaker 19 And they also set passing records that had somewhat been.

Speaker 31 Understood, but I'm just telling you that philosophically, what the man does was on display there.

Speaker 31 If you had to bet and be right or wrong and win money, we will be doing a Monday show this season where we're talking about how the Miami Hurricanes lost a game inexplicably because of what their coach did.

Speaker 29 When they lost to Syracuse and they were up 21-0. No one was saying that offense got conservative.

Speaker 29 I was saying they should have ran it more because they were running at seven yards per carry in that game, but they didn't. And they blew a 21-0 lead.
You couldn't trust the defense.

Speaker 29 Cam Ward was not being conservative in that game. They blew it because of their approach to it.
That is not how you win in college football at the highest level.

Speaker 19 Right, and the defense is appreciably better this year. But you're talking as if they did lose.

Speaker 31 No, but I'm just saying some of the fan base is saying this. It's not even what I'm saying, but you have to bet and be right.
Answer my question.

Speaker 19 And to the fan base, I would say, get real. You just beat the number six team in the country.
You were an underdog. You beat them.
Why are you parsing the victory?

Speaker 22 Because they look in big pictures. They almost lost.

Speaker 19 I don't care that they almost lost.

Speaker 17 They did blow a 10-point lead.

Speaker 5 Who cares?

Speaker 22 So it's a 10-point lead.

Speaker 30 Who cares? They won.

Speaker 22 We're not talking about a 20-point lead.

Speaker 17 You also last week were saying they were going to win by three.

Speaker 36 I thought they were going to rip their heads off.

Speaker 30 And for a while, there, it looked like...

Speaker 36 They looked like it already.

Speaker 31 They should have, is my point. They should have.

Speaker 22 Credit to the opponent.

Speaker 22 You can't say they should.

Speaker 22 Credit to the opponent.

Speaker 31 I'm going to do this again because four straight possessions without a first down.

Speaker 31 I understand they had the number one offense in the sport last year, but that offense, I think, only went three possessions without a first down a couple of times.

Speaker 31 It's not because the offense was stopped, stopped by defensive players who were running all over the field defending against creative offense.

Speaker 31 It was because they were running it straight into the middle of the line and they got the ball taken away from them.

Speaker 31 And then all of a sudden, what's coming back down to the field on you is uh is goat quarterback draws and an inexperienced quarterback getting confidence because of how you played the game offensively the rest of the way for after that majestic drive that should be the drive that you put that he's got that right there that drive is the best drive that mario cristobal's team has had against a good team since he's been here i think that they're capable of getting those drives when they need it that game called for something different in that run where they went four drives without a first down they did get a field goal why because the defense made a point if you want to go at mario cristobal for being conservative and trusting a defense to win a game then give him credit for having that defense that was atrocious last year win the game

Speaker 19 when you or a canes fan tell me mario crystal ball in the second half was playing not to lose i'm saying good for him because guess what he didn't lose and what are you saying if that field goal is missed or blocked in return for a touchdown then you're so

Speaker 17 saying i wish we weren't settling for a 47 well then notre dame also would have had to go back and score That's the thing. It was tied at the time.

Speaker 29 You missed me with assuming that Notre Dame comes back. And Liamie was controlling that.

Speaker 17 Their two-minute drill looked disastrous.

Speaker 19 And you can play the what-if game on 90% of results in all of sports.

Speaker 31 After the pick, Notre Dame scored on three of its last four possessions after not doing anything all game because they were with a quarterback that shouldn't be winning that game in that position, has no reason to be winning that game in that position.

Speaker 25 And he didn't.

Speaker 31 I know, but I know, but the lead was given away, and there was a tie game.

Speaker 31 And what you are telling me, which is reasonable criticism, wow, the way they played the end of the game, I would have really liked them to just hold the ball the rest of the game, okay?

Speaker 31 Especially after getting that third and short conversion as momentum the way you did. Would have liked them to not give the ball back with a minute left.

Speaker 31 But settling for a 40-yard field goal with a guy who kicked four field goals successfully at FAU, hmm, okay, he did make it. But if he misses it and

Speaker 31 Notre Dame comes back and scores, you guys would be so confused about how Miami lost that football.

Speaker 9 I the 47 yard field goal for what it's worth and you could certainly have uh concerns about the accuracy of the kicker it's four for 11 from that distance i understand the staff when he was in fall camp said this is the strongest leg we've ever seen and and that field goal would have been good from 57 yards if that had hit the upright like the show he's doing today the show he didn't don't do the show then you're doing the show stop doing that show they won

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