Hour 1: You Can Cut That Gas Station Tension with a Knife

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I think that Zaslow is being horribly unfair to Bill Belichick.

He has no control over what Us Weekly does.

He doesn't have any control over that.

And now I'm insisting that we get video of you booing him from the stands.

You've called him the greatest hypocrite in sports.

And I think the only thing he's done wrong here is get outscored in his two losses this year, 82 to 23.

They are 132nd out of 134 teams in offense.

They are only ahead of Western Michigan and UMass in offense because they are terrible at offense.

60 Minutes asked Bill Balichik a question on camera, and Jordan Hudson said, We're not going to talk about that.

And you're telling me they can't get a cover pulled from Us Weekly?

I am telling you that.

Yes, there is no such thing as censorship in this country that you can control what it is that the magazines are doing.

Are you sure?

Not yet, anyway.

They're trying, but not yet.

Now, Cor was joking around.

Okay.

I have for you guys an interaction that I had yesterday, and I'm not making any of this up.

This is exactly how the interaction went.

There was no more to the interaction than what I'm going to tell you.

It was at a gas station.

Somebody pulls up next to me.

It was a whole interaction.

It was just you going like this.

Come on, Ravenela.

Remanela.

Nope.

It was not just two fingers windshield wiped over my head to say hello from afar, but it is what made me think about this.

A person pulls up to me at a gas station.

I made the mistake of pulling in accidentally into full service.

I didn't know that we did that anymore.

I was not even aware that full service at a gas station was still a thing.

Were you guys?

I didn't think it is.

Where the hell were you?

Where are you?

I was on beaches.

New Jersey.

Yeah, I thought that's only New Jersey.

I was on 41st Street.

Wait a minute.

Where is full service outside of New Jersey?

Because I pulled in and I thought it was a normal gas station that didn't have full service.

I thought full service was extinct.

I didn't think that was a thing.

So I accidentally pulled into the wrong place.

But this was the interaction, okay?

You look like Dan Lebetard.

I do.

I get that a lot.

Thank you for getting in the way of my story and fouling up the middle of it.

And then the next thing that he says is, do you get that a lot?

I do.

And then he looks me right in the face and says, I went to college with him.

And I left.

There was no confirmation.

He left thinking that I'm not who I am and not recognizing me in any way from college.

Bruce Feldman.

Now next time you know, you get one of these.

I should have just left

it for the odds.

Two fingers.

They know what it is now.

Two fingers, Rooney Rule.

Right.

Isn't that...

So you said nothing to him when he's like, I went to college with him?

Right, did you acknowledge that it's a cool thing to have gone to college?

That must have been cool.

No, I didn't.

How low was your gas tank or was it just long, awkward silences?

After I drove away, I thought to myself,

I thought to myself, I should have said, was he an asshole?

But I didn't.

I just, I didn't, I gave him no confirmation that any of that was real.

He's a real asshole.

Well, he left confirming.

He's like, yeah, I think he was.

Now, while this was happening, were were you...

Were you sitting in your car while he's filling your gas or you're outside while he's gone?

I was pumping the gas because I pulled out of the full service and then moved my car to a place that was no longer fully.

Did that feel good in the sinister parts of you?

Like,

we went to...

School together and now you're pumping my gas, pal.

No, this was not the person who I can't believe you allowed that to happen.

That is not how that happened.

You guys fouled up every part of that story.

I thank you for the general support.

That's why you're the best producers in the business.

That's why

there's nobody who's got the producers that I do.

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Trust us on it.

So the other guy was pumping his own gas too, or that person was getting their gas pumped?

Neither one of us was getting full service.

Both of us were pumping our own gas.

What kind of car did that guy have?

It was actually a car.

I don't know the model, but when he drove away, I'm like, that's an old person's car.

I'm an old person.

I don't know who that person was who I went to college with, but he was driving what an old person would drive.

It was not a young person.

What does that mean?

Harry Rothwell.

No, just a big, just a big lumbering, lumbering,

Studebaker.

He went, oh,

when he went off.

In fairness, people of all ages can be college students.

That's going to be a college student in two weeks.

I'm glad you're fair.

This is the time you've chosen to be fair, Billy.

It's a good time.

Do you feel bad?

Like, when you pulled into full service, the person was probably there.

Presumably, you give tips to someone.

Again, this is not an employee.

This is a person.

No, I know, but I was just saying.

You were there.

That person.

Does people at the gas station pump your gas?

I love the idea that it's just someone out there, like...

Changing the trash and they're not out there to pump gas.

Dan, like, tosses the keys.

All right, there you go.

He throws the gas thing at them.

Like, here's the hose.

Fill it up, buddy.

But did you feel bad?

Like, because that person, assuming it was full service and not just someone else pumping their gas, you're like, oh, this person must work here.

Assuming that it was a full service gas station, did you feel bad like because they saw you stop and then you're like never mind i'm going to keep going and they lost like the tip or whatever right

I was confused and disoriented by the idea that full service still existed.

That's where I was with the situation.

And anytime you guys mention anything that involves tossing the keys to somebody, it makes me think of the Zach Thomas story of him standing outside of Joe's Stone Crab and somebody handing them him their keys because they didn't believe he was a dolphin famous linebacker.

They thought he was the valet from the way that he was dressed.

And

they just tossed him their keys.

That car's yours in that instance, right?

That's what I'm wondering.

Like, is it considered stealing if you then take the car?

If someone gave me their car keys, they just gave me their car keys?

Yeah, I think so.

I think so, too.

I think that would be theft, yes.

Why would it?

You didn't steal it.

They gave it to you.

It's called a mistake, I think, that they made.

Yeah, that they made.

And then Zach Thomas can be like, oh, I'm a football player.

I was confused.

Put it on the poll at lebotard show if someone tosses you their car keys because they think you're the valet are you stealing their car if you keep it if someone gives me something how am i stealing it

problem solve

you just gave me the point isn't pointing like that tony a rude in some cultures isn't isn't that something with a different finger maybe yeah with a with a point you're good but points universal put it on the poll at lebotard show is pointing at someone in some cultures considered rude.

Yes or no?

All rise.

The Honorable Jonathan Zaszlo, now presiding with prejudice.

What are we judging here?

He already gave his ruling on this.

We got to use the hat we made.

Yeah, we made a hat.

Quiet.

The judge is here.

No producers like us.

What are we judging?

What do you, what do you...

Shut up and put that.

You look ridiculous.

I look like a judge.

This is my courtroom.

Shut up.

We are judging whether or not it is theft you've already answered that question there's no

silence silence in this courtroom i will throw you out we are judging the case before us which is

if someone gives you keys

to their car you've already made your ruling it i'm so close to holding you in contempt of court Is that considered stealing?

It is not stealing with prejudice.

For gibbables

with fucking prejudice.

That's not the way to do anything.

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Mike Tomlin doesn't have a lot of fears in life, but one of the fears that he does have is a veteran quarterback.

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And now that job belongs to Daniel Jones, who has one of the great nicknames in the history of sports, Indiana Jones.

Here is Mike Tomlin talking about when Anthony Richardson was playing, how it is he wanted Anthony Richardson to stay in the game, and no veteran quarterbacks to come in the game.

A year ago, we're playing in Indianapolis, man, and I commented to the guys that, you know, keep Richardson upright, don't put Flacco in the game.

And, you know, Flacco ended up in the game.

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Belichick, the aforementioned hypocrite, did say that of Freddie Mitchell in a Super Bowl.

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He did say that.

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Keep Richardson upright.

Don't put Flacco in the game.

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You know, keep Richardson upright.

Don't put Flacco in the game.

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Let's see.

Jeremy is going to go first here.

We are going to be paying some penalties next week.

Let's see what we have here.

Jeremy, go ahead and reach in there and see what we've got.

Go ahead and rummage a little bit.

Let's see.

The Indianapolis Colts.

They're on on the road at the Rams.

Big game.

Three and a half point dog.

Ooh, man.

I'm going to put it back.

What?

Three and a half got to end.

It's got to end for the Colts.

I like that.

It's going to end eventually.

Live dog, Mike.

And now Dan curse Daniel Jones.

Anthony Richardson's going to end up in the game.

Oh, shit.

I got the Panthers.

He loser.

I'm sorry.

Carolina is on the road.

Plus five England.

Yeah, plus five and a half at New England.

Damn.

All right, here we go.

First pick.

The Detroit Lions.

Lions are big favorites.

Big favorite against the Browns.

I'll take that.

10 and a half.

Yep, minus 10 and a half.

Mike Ryan, go ahead and select in there.

Got the Raiders against the Burrs.

They're favored by a half a point at home against the Bears.

Nice thing I'm going to take the Raiders.

I like that.

Really?

Why would you like that?

Oh,

I don't want to risk getting something worse.

Just listen to Vegas.

If you get a favorite, you keep it.

Half a point.

I can't believe I got the Panthers.

I got the Broncos.

They are seven and a half point favorites against the Bengals.

Monday night.

That's a good point.

I'll keep it.

What a terrible Monday night sleep.

It's a double hero.

Two terrible games.

That's the good game.

That's the one Joe Buck's going to, I heard.

We're getting the B team down here.

I got the Niners.

They are at home.

Three and a half point favorite versus the Jags.

Oh,

man.

Is Purdy playing?

No, no, he's not.

I'll keep it.

Screw it.

Can you get the Mac Jones sound from yesterday?

Him giggling maniacally because he threw an interception that a defender didn't have to do much of anything in order to intercept.

Mac Jones with the laughter of a winner after a catastrophic mistake in a 16 of 15 victory that Tony has proclaimed Kyler Murray is done as a watch.

I got the Jets.

The Jets are a three and a half point dog in that terrible Monday night game against the Dolphins.

No, I got a dog back.

Tyron Taylor can move the ball from me.

What's this?

No game?

Oh, that's a good helmet.

That's the golden helmet of life.

Congratulations.

That is three straight weeks of buys.

That's what I'm talking about.

Yes, congratulations.

That's what I'm talking about.

Give me the swap helmet.

Give me the swap helmet so I can have that for three weeks.

I got the Titans.

I don't think I want that for any reason.

At Houston, Houston, seven and a half for three.

I like the Titans, they're sure and a half-point dodge.

Yeah, but it's not a spread.

I don't even have to watch that game.

Oh, I got the Texans.

I did upgrade that.

The good news for you is you have to watch the Texans.

Titans aren't a lot of fun to watch.

Oh, yeah, I got the quarterback, though.

He was fun to watch.

This season,

he's had a couple of throws this season, a couple of throws that I have enjoyed, but Cam Ward hasn't shown me a lot.

I don't think it's great.

You're not going to be able to make much of an appraisal so far of Cam Ward.

He's throwing the ball an awful lot behind the line of scrimmage, like all of these guys are.

How do you guys feel about that development in football?

Because I don't hear or see a lot of people complaining about the way that the turnover has become such a precious thing that all quarterbacks are playing really conservative.

All offenses are playing really conservative.

How much does it have to do with not wanting to turn the ball over compared to they just don't have the time that they used to have?

It's emotional.

I think,

well, no, I think it's everyone's terrified of turnovers.

There's not, we've heard this for a long time in football.

Every time a coach is interviewed on the sidelines, they will say we have to win the turnover battle.

And when you're talking about the, like Andy Reid mentioned this during Useless Sound, the margins in some of these games are ridiculous.

The idea that the Broncos are one and two

when they could easily be 3-0.

Like you're talking about a couple of penalties or the difference between 1-2 and 3-0, the Ravens.

Now, their defense has been terrible, but the Ravens are so close to being 3-0.

When you're talking about these margins and you're talking about salary cap sport that makes just about everything equitable, turnovers have a value that's nuts.

If I were to say to you, over the course of the last few years, I have told you that what I want, if you want to give me value somewhere, give me somebody who can get to the passer.

Give me some things that alter games that aren't, you know, a great offensive guard.

None of us here have an accurate appraisal of what the value is of an offensive guard.

But if I have someone who can either create turnovers or I have position players who consistently avoid turnovers, what's more valuable than that other than a cheap quarterback?

Other than a cheap quarterback?

I'll give you anything in the sport, okay?

For a while there, when Michael Lewis wrote the book about the blind side, we had a shift in the sport where everyone realized, oh, the left tackle, pretty important.

Got to protect the quarterback.

Quarterback's hugely important.

Let's start paying the left tackles.

What are the things you want on a football field that you think are more valuable than someone who can create turnovers?

Either a defense or a player who is exceptional at getting the football back and getting your offense more chances.

The problem with turnovers, Dan, is that they're not sticky, right?

Like they're random.

That's the whole point of it.

So you have somebody that can create turnovers.

We saw a couple years ago, Trayvon Diggs have seven interceptions, and now he's stumbling out of the block.

And Luther Roma Dunze is beating him for a 60-yard touchdown.

It's like you can't rely or people can't be worried about turning the ball over either interceptions or fumbles because they happen either way, right?

I think the defense has completely shifted where we're not seeing one safety anymore on the top of the field.

We're seeing two high safeties and completely taking the top off the defense.

There's no way that

they can stretch the field with two high safeties.

Exactly what it is.

What you're seeing is a defensive response to how offenses had the rules changed for them.

They adjusted, if you want the rules changed again, that's what you're complaining about.

It's not conservative.

They're doing RPOs because they need to get the ball out quicker.

And yes, a byproduct of RPOs means you avoid turnovers, but they can't go bombs away because there's too high safeties there now.

I suppose I am complaining about it because I want to see great offensive players be great offensive players.

And so just aesthetically,

the revolt that there is against the tush push, when we talked about this last week and I was saying that all the time in sports, because this is entertainment, it has little to do with the integrity of the game, they change the rules all the time

in order to entertain the fans, the customer, more.

This development, we can't, we're not going to disagree, right, on the fact that Patrick Mahomes has been turned into this.

He's not a nobody, nobody listening to this would say that Patrick Mahomes isn't a great quarterback, but he's been turned into something that I don't want to watch them play offense anymore.

Like, I'm bored by their football games when their football games used to be appointment viewing.

So then I would suggest a pivot on your take because you've been ringing the bell on conservative nature of offenses, and the defenses adjust, and you want the game tilted towards the offense.

I actually love where the game's at right now because I like seeing defenses have a shot to compete.

I know the other stuff is hedonism, and a lot of people like a lot of a lot of points.

I like that there's a game now to be played.

It's more of a chess match and you get to actually see athletes on both sides of the ball.

Patrick Mahomes is actually a prisoner of his own design because when he was bombs away and throwing the ball 55 yards to Tyreek Hill every two plays, they were like, wait a second.

Anytime that we have one safety in the middle of the field, he's going to throw it for 65 yards in a touchdown because we can't cover Tyreek Hill.

So like, all right, we're just going to sit back two safeties.

Good luck.

You're going to try to throw something deep.

So

the defense is adjusted to exactly what Patrick Mahomes was doing.

How many exciting offenses in the league are there right now?

Ravens, Lions.

I would have made a decent argument for the Packers just because I like Jordan Lowe.

The Chargers aren't bad right now.

Colts,

Bucs,

Eagles.

The Eagles are not exciting.

I think the Eagles are exciting me.

I think Saquon Barkley was electric.

I liked watching the Eagles last year, and I like that there's an unstoppable.

He hasn't been that good this year.

They got the same personnel.

What are we doing?

I don't like just that.

It's not fun watching their offense.

It's just like Jalen Hurts scrambling.

I love watching the Bills.

I like where the end of the game is.

I like Josh Allen.

I like Josh Allen.

I'm with you more on that than the Bills.

I don't like seeing Keon Coleman run for 17 yards in a win sprint.

I mean, Jaden Daniels throws the ball deep.

There's a lot of offenses there.

And I think the defenses need a shot.

Otherwise, we're not really playing a sport.

We're playing a game that is tilted to the offense.

And the game that we're actually playing is who has the best offense.

And your only hope as a defense is a pass rush.

That's not football.

Well, Zaslow loves a defensive game, but I don't think that most people do.

I think most people do want hedonism from their football.

I do think that that trench play.

Well, Tony, Tony was very frustrated by that 16-15 49ers Cardinals game and the way that those two teams play.

I'm frustrated by seeing Kyler Murray turned into a 15-point a game player.

I want you don't love watching Fred Warner, though?

Fred Warner, like snap to snap, is as electric a player to watch in the NFL as pot, like, as there is.

You don't love watching the Niners play defense?

I freaking love it.

And I think that game is a byproduct of this is what the Niners have to do to win this game without Brock Purdy.

Mac Jones is limited.

Mac Jones readily admits he doesn't even know the full playbook.

I thought that was fun.

Why do you like the 16-15 game and you don't like the Jacksonville-Houston 17-10 game?

What are you doing?

Well, because Houston's offense, I think, is objectively bad.

I think

whatever it is, new OC, the pressure up the middle, as as we often say, I just don't like the Houston games because it's so mundane.

Yeah, the Texans.

It's so redundant.

I did not have the Texans.

I hate betting the Texans because that incentivizes me to watch the Texans.

I don't want to watch them.

I do agree that there are some bad offenses, but that's the NFL.

There are going to be better offenses and worse offenses, just like they're better defenses and worse defenses.

And I like watching certain defensive.

Fred Warner is one of the few players without an all-22 that I can actually watch do his job out there, and I friggin love it.

It was 16-15.

It was a miracle, by the way, because it was 6-6, like deep into the third.

And I was looking at this game and I texted you, Dan, like, send this game to the sun.

Just beam it to the sun.

I don't want to see anything of this game anymore.

They kept going back to it on red zone, and I'm like, all right, here, third and 18 for Kyler Murray.

Oh, he scrambles out.

Six-yard game.

Okay.

But you get the occasion.

It's not like there aren't an offensive exposure.

For sure.

You get the Sunday night game between the Bills and the Ravens.

Like, there are plenty of good games.

I think the league is really healthy.

I hope they don't change the rules because I like the defenses.

Well, what are you going to outlaw?

Too high safeties?

Like, there's nothing you can do.

I was talking about the tush push.

The reason that's going to get outlawed is because it's not aesthetically pleasing, and you can't have the champions winning 19 of 20 games when 12% of their plays are rugby and not football.

How ridiculous is that story, by the way, that they said they were going to change the rule, and then Jason Kelsey came in and gave an impassioned speech.

I'm like, you know what?

We need to keep this for Jason Kelsey.

How ridiculous is that?

Even teams that voted against it, they changed their mind.

Jason Kelsey said, so we must have it.

The Lions earn my respect forever because they were the only team on the Eagles schedule that's like, no, let them do it.

Because that's what it was.

You have a duty to your team to vote against that since they have this unstoppable play.

Like, whatever, I know.

I don't necessarily think it's fair, but it gives us a better chance to win.

It's also

for a yard, right?

It's not a 60-yard play.

It's a one-yard play.

Okay, he gets one yard.

Okay.

But it's a new set of downs.

Yeah, but if they could just turn and give it to Saquon Barkley to do the same thing, even if they outlaw it, like.

Don't put him in fourth and one.

Don't put him in third and one.

It's a a one-yard player.

Do you think the front office pitches that to Dan Campbell of like, we should vote no?

And he's like, nah, over my dead body.

Wow.

What do you like about a defensive game, Zaz?

Like, I find it hard to believe you like a 9-6 game.

Or, like, a couple weeks ago, the Sunday nighter, there was Falcons Vikings 22-6.

You're like, wow, damn, seven goal goals.

This was a great game.

No, that was a bad game, the one that you just said there.

But, you know, a game that's 45-41, where every possession results in a score, That's not interesting to me, man.

That is funny.

No, that's a bad game.

That's a bad game the same way that the 9-6 game is bad, man.

Like,

there's got to be a little bit of a balance.

Give me a stop every now and then.

What about that Monday nighter, like five years ago?

Hated it.

The class of the game.

You hated that game.

How did you hate that game?

It's a fun little outlier for it to happen, but if the game becomes that, then we're playing an NFL.

It's literally whatever team has the ball last.

Why do I have to watch the whole game if whoever has the ball last is going to win?

One of the most classic games of all time.

It was.

It was.

I love quarterbacks, but I also love Miles Garrett putting a team on his shoulders, knowing how limited his offense is, and he's going to make the play.

I love watching the Steelers knowing that TJ Watt is going to touch a football and make a game-changing play.

Give me a 23-16 game ahead of that one every time.

You guys mentioned Jason Kelsey.

Forgive my ignorance here.

That late night show, How's It Doing?

It was just a limited version.

It went away.

Oh, okay.

It was just like a couple episodes during the postseason.

I don't think it was ever designed to be a long-term thing.

Maybe it comes back this season.

Probably would have been a long-term thing if it if it performed.

It didn't really perform.

It kind of came and went.

It was a cool little hack that they did and decided against doing it more.

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Don Lebatard.

To us, residents.

That's pretty short.

It didn't look better.

You think I haven't been practicing.

Stugats.

Oh,

I didn't realize we had a substitute complicated legacy choice.

441 Powerline Road.

Second down to nine.

This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

The numbers that I was giving you guys on Kimmel that continue to grow 6 million plus

post 11.30 p.m.

Eastern on television, on linear television, and more than 20 million on YouTube.

Obviously, none of that is going to sustain, but I did want to talk for a second with you guys because of the duress that late night television is under and because everybody is watching this stuff differently than they used to.

You guys do remember, right?

Or maybe you don't.

I don't believe ABC had late night television that was this.

Kimmel was the starting point.

They had politically incorrect for a brief moment.

They had politically incorrect, which ironically enough was canceled for being politically incorrect.

They also had Nightline.

That was just a news program, which is what I associated with ABC Ted Coppel late-night television.

But Jimmy Kimmel's first shows, if you'll remember, he had a bar, a live audience that was drinking during it, and then they stopped doing that very quickly because...

Why would they do that?

Yeah,

well he was coming off of the man show and this was what the the evolution of jimmy kimmel into

american martyr from from man show and from drinking the studio audience drinking from a from a free bar during the show that coral malone bit was wild

you gotta see that i have it on my phone

23 years late night television more than 4 000 shows and obviously this last one is going to be the biggest that he's ever done.

And it's going to resonate, but it's not going to have staying power, correct?

We're all assuming that this will go back to where we were before, where late-night television is dying because everyone is telling you, no, I'll go ahead and watch things without commercials on my own time.

And I won't stay up into the middle of the night and do this the way that you want me to, not when I can do it anywhere else at my convenience.

You guys believe what is going to happen here going forward?

Because when we talked yesterday to Brian Stelter,

it seems obvious that this mistake this way won't be made again, where we go this directly from threat is made, and now there's a threat to freedom of speech, and now Americans with a public outcry are doing something that you simply don't see very much anymore.

Like, I'm watching what I think is truly horrifying video every day about, you know, how a state militia is just treating people who are peaceful protesters.

And I can't get consensus group outrage on that when that feels deeply un-American and it feels like it's an insult to American core principles.

But on Jimmy Kimmel, I got something that felt like consensus.

And I got something that felt like consensus when I don't believe the core principle that was being protected by Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly and those folks was free speech absolutism.

I think that our core principle there is just selfishness.

Media members have microphones and they don't want that threatened.

Like, I didn't think that that was actually the reason that everyone gathered around the core principle on that one with free speech absolutism.

I also think you also saw politicians.

Ted Cruz,

who did like an Italian accent on a podcast, was sounding the alarm alarm on it.

You know why?

Because I know what the hats say in the merch shop, but Donald Trump is up there, and this is supposed to be his final term.

And there are a lot of politicians that would love to be career politicians that know the American politics pendulum swings.

And they don't want to be paying for the checks that Donald Trump is writing right now because they know that the response, just like Donald Trump was a response from the right to what they saw was a more radicalized movement inside the Democratic Party.

Party, and that is up for debate.

But we cannot deny that it was a response, with the seeds being of the Tea Party.

They know this thing shifts from end to end, and they don't want to be on the receiving end of what is currently being dished out.

As it relates to sports and politics, Bruce Pearl has just left Auburn, and he did so in a way that was interesting to me.

And I saw that Michael Wilbon, because many of these arguments are getting dumber and dumber, and

I saw that Michael Wilbon was catching some heat, which I have not seen before when it was just something in the big finish of PTI.

Big finish is just music and fast and happy.

And it's just

finger guns.

It's finger guns, dance, a lot of finger guns.

Oh, happy birthday to this guy.

It is.

It's just like, let's conclude this punctuation in a way that's musical and dancing and happy and fun.

And happy trails to Bruce Pearl, who's retiring at Auburn.

And then all of a sudden, Mike Wilbon, because he calls Bruce Pearl divisive and because he says he's glad he's gone at at Auburn and he hopes he was forced out,

he gets turned into someone who gets, you know, dragged because he's against Bruce Pearl and he's against Bruce Pearl because Bruce Pearl is going sort of the Tommy Tubberville route after making a lot of money off of black

kids

and he is, you know, anti-DEI and Mike Wilbon called him divisive.

And I'm just curious what you guys thought of all of that because the part that I actually found interesting

and you have to understand that these college power brokers, no matter how much we want to make them leaders and we want to make them educators, they're just salesmen.

and they're oily.

And some of them might care about education, but most of them care about being the agents who get a percentage of a cut off of the players.

The part that I thought was interesting about Bruce Pearl

you're anti-DEI, but the way that you retired, when you knew you were going to retire, you did it so that they had to take your kid because there's not time with the season coming up.

They have to do it your way.

I've seen Dean Smith do that.

I thought Dean Smith earned it more.

And this is no knock on Bruce Pearl as a basketball coach.

He's a great basketball coach,

also a cheater, and also someone who lies, but he is a great basketball coach.

I thought it was what?

That was just a funny like he lied.

For the record,

he lies.

Also, for the record, we can safely assume he is anti-DEI with how public he has been with his political statements lately, which have been amplified over the last few months.

And there are some people with Tuberville positioning himself for a run for governor.

Some people are saying, Is Bruce Pearl trying to do the same lane, the same pipeline, Auburn to politics?

I struggled to find on-the-record quotes about DEI, but I've heard him say Obama was divisive.

He has certainly been putting himself out there way more politically, and the timing of this is curious.

It's not curious.

It's just self-serving.

And look, this is good fathering.

Oh, I agree with you, Dave.

It's not curious, and it's not fooling anybody.

It's the Tony Bennett move.

You know when camps opened up for college basketball teams?

This week.

Tony Bennett did this exact same thing.

Why?

Because your university can't conduct a search.

You essentially name your coach in waiting.

And in this case, it just so happens to be Bruce Pearl's son.

Now, let's go over this resume of Bruce Pearl's son.

His son is 38 years old, who worked as a medical sales rep for years until he took up coaching in 2017.

He's only ever coached under his dad.

Do we think this is the best hire that Auburn can make?

Absolutely not.

Absolutely not.

It's the Tony Bennett move.

This is a separate conversation for whatever Bruce Pearl is going to do with his career afterwards.

But this ain't fooling anybody, Jack.

That Jack was not necessary.

Oh, it felt good.

It did feel good.

The move is a good father move if you want to get your son the cushy job.

I don't know if Bruce Pearl has earned the right to do that the way that Tony Bennett and Dean Smith had.

Auburn's good at basketball.

Auburn's been to a couple of Final Fours with Bruce Pearl there.

Well,

we struggled to find DEI comments.

I did find something from Bruce Pearl's social media,

and this, I guess, is a statement.

In retweeting an awful announcing article from June 28th of Stephen A.

Smith speaking out for more than five minutes straight about the role nepotism played in the Lakers' selection of Bronnie James.

We live in a country where nepotism has taken place.

Bruce Pearl retweeted with comment, preach, Stephen A.

The idea that you would put your son in place and you would retire at 65

with timing.

With gimmick.

The timing meant specifically to make sure that your university gets strong-armed and doesn't have a choice, but has to take your son.

You would agree that that's good fathering, right?

It's good fathering, but honestly, like,

why does Auburn have to go along with it?

Okay, let him be the interim coach because the season is starting soon, but you're allowed to still conduct a search right now.

Like, why can't they conduct a search?

And, all right, they'll find a head coach and you could install him a month or two into the season, like, whatever.

Oh, but it's a bit chaotic.

This

right now is chaotic.

Yes, to do it and to do it strategically, because I don't think Bruce Pearl woke up this morning and was like, ah, I don't want to coach anymore.

No, it's sinister.

They know exactly what they're doing, and they want the ability to name who they want to name as the next head coach.

And it's particularly

disturbing when it's your son who lacks the necessary experience to run a program such as Auburn.

So, what's more chaotic than handing the reins over to someone who is not qualified to be the head coach right now or doing a search right now and installing a coach a month or two away?

But Pearl is staying there, though.

He's going to be consultant.

He's going to be around.

You don't

lose the coach.

That is the perfect heist right there.

You leave, but I'm not really leaving.

I'm going to be here.

I have this whole, I worked this out over Thanksgiving last year.

I don't think I'd call it sinister, though.

I don't, and if I'm calling it good good fathering, I don't think I would call good fathering since.

Good fathering can be sinister.

It can be?

I think so.

How?

We're seeing it.

This guy fights his kids.

What do you mean?

They challenge me.

You think I think he's a good father?

Sometimes.

Sinister?

Sinister to just

put your son in a great job, in a great position.

I am next in line for the Greg Cody show with Greg Cody.

I don't know if you guys knew that.

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