Hour 1: You Can Cut That Gas Station Tension with a Knife

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Speaker 13 I think that Zaslow is being horribly unfair to Bill Belichick. He has no control over what Us Weekly does.

Speaker 13 He doesn't have any control over that. And now I'm insisting that we get video of you booing him from the stands.
You've called him the greatest hypocrite in sports.

Speaker 13 And I think the only thing he's done wrong here is get outscored in his two losses this year, 82 to 23. They are 132nd out of 134 teams in offense.

Speaker 13 They are only ahead of Western Michigan and UMass in offense because they are terrible at offense.

Speaker 12 60 Minutes asked Bill Balichik a question on camera, and Jordan Hudson said, We're not going to talk about that.

Speaker 3 And you're telling me they can't get a cover pulled from Us Weekly?

Speaker 13 I am telling you that. Yes, there is no such thing as censorship in this country that you can control what it is that the magazines are doing.

Speaker 5 Are you sure?

Speaker 13 Not yet, anyway. They're trying, but not yet.

Speaker 14 Now, Cor was joking around. Okay.

Speaker 13 I have for you guys an interaction that I had yesterday, and I'm not making any of this up. This is exactly how the interaction went.

Speaker 13 There was no more to the interaction than what I'm going to tell you. It was at a gas station.
Somebody pulls up next to me.

Speaker 3 It was a whole interaction. It was just you going like this.

Speaker 5 Come on, Ravenela. Remanela.

Speaker 13 Nope. It was not just two fingers windshield wiped over my head to say hello from afar, but it is what made me think about this.
A person pulls up to me at a gas station.

Speaker 13 I made the mistake of pulling in accidentally into full service. I didn't know that we did that anymore.

Speaker 13 I was not even aware that full service at a gas station was still a thing. Were you guys?

Speaker 7 I didn't think it is.

Speaker 5 Where the hell were you? Where are you? I was on beaches. New Jersey.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I thought that's only New Jersey.

Speaker 13 I was on 41st Street. Wait a minute.
Where is full service outside of New Jersey? Because I pulled in and I thought it was a normal gas station that didn't have full service.

Speaker 13 I thought full service was extinct. I didn't think that was a thing.
So I accidentally pulled into the wrong place. But this was the interaction, okay? You look like Dan Lebetard.

Speaker 5 I do.

Speaker 7 I get that a lot.

Speaker 13 Thank you for getting in the way of my story and fouling up the middle of it. And then the next thing that he says is, do you get that a lot?

Speaker 5 I do.

Speaker 13 And then he looks me right in the face and says, I went to college with him.

Speaker 10 And I left.

Speaker 13 There was no confirmation. He left thinking that I'm not who I am and not recognizing me in any way from college.

Speaker 5 Bruce Feldman.

Speaker 14 Now next time you know, you get one of these.

Speaker 13 I should have just left

Speaker 5 it for the odds.

Speaker 5 Two fingers.

Speaker 16 They know what it is now.

Speaker 5 Two fingers, Rooney Rule. Right.

Speaker 13 Isn't that...

Speaker 14 So you said nothing to him when he's like, I went to college with him?

Speaker 12 Right, did you acknowledge that it's a cool thing to have gone to college?

Speaker 5 That must have been cool. No, I didn't.

Speaker 7 How low was your gas tank or was it just long, awkward silences?

Speaker 13 After I drove away, I thought to myself,

Speaker 13 I thought to myself, I should have said, was he an asshole?

Speaker 13 But I didn't. I just, I didn't, I gave him no confirmation that any of that was real.

Speaker 5 He's a real asshole.

Speaker 3 Well, he left confirming. He's like, yeah, I think he was.

Speaker 12 Now, while this was happening, were were you...

Speaker 12 Were you sitting in your car while he's filling your gas or you're outside while he's gone?

Speaker 13 I was pumping the gas because I pulled out of the full service and then moved my car to a place that was no longer fully.

Speaker 14 Did that feel good in the sinister parts of you?

Speaker 5 Like,

Speaker 10 we went to...

Speaker 16 School together and now you're pumping my gas, pal.

Speaker 5 No, this was not the person who I can't believe you allowed that to happen.

Speaker 13 That is not how that happened. You guys fouled up every part of that story.
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Speaker 3 So the other guy was pumping his own gas too, or that person was getting their gas pumped?

Speaker 13 Neither one of us was getting full service. Both of us were pumping our own gas.

Speaker 7 What kind of car did that guy have?

Speaker 13 It was actually a car. I don't know the model, but when he drove away, I'm like, that's an old person's car.

Speaker 5 I'm an old person.

Speaker 13 I don't know who that person was who I went to college with, but he was driving what an old person would drive. It was not a young person.

Speaker 5 What does that mean? Harry Rothwell. No, just a big, just a big lumbering, lumbering,

Speaker 13 Studebaker.

Speaker 5 He went, oh,

Speaker 5 when he went off.

Speaker 3 In fairness, people of all ages can be college students. That's going to be a college student in two weeks.

Speaker 13 I'm glad you're fair. This is the time you've chosen to be fair, Billy.

Speaker 5 It's a good time.

Speaker 1 Do you feel bad?

Speaker 3 Like, when you pulled into full service, the person was probably there. Presumably, you give tips to someone.

Speaker 5 Again, this is not an employee. This is a person.
No, I know, but I was just saying.

Speaker 5 You were there. That person.

Speaker 12 Does people at the gas station pump your gas?

Speaker 6 I love the idea that it's just someone out there, like...

Speaker 1 Changing the trash and they're not out there to pump gas.

Speaker 3 Dan, like, tosses the keys.

Speaker 5 All right, there you go.

Speaker 3 He throws the gas thing at them.

Speaker 1 Like, here's the hose.

Speaker 7 Fill it up, buddy.

Speaker 1 But did you feel bad?

Speaker 3 Like, because that person, assuming it was full service and not just someone else pumping their gas, you're like, oh, this person must work here.

Speaker 3 Assuming that it was a full service gas station, did you feel bad like because they saw you stop and then you're like never mind i'm going to keep going and they lost like the tip or whatever right

Speaker 13 I was confused and disoriented by the idea that full service still existed. That's where I was with the situation.

Speaker 13 And anytime you guys mention anything that involves tossing the keys to somebody, it makes me think of the Zach Thomas story of him standing outside of Joe's Stone Crab and somebody handing them him their keys because they didn't believe he was a dolphin famous linebacker.

Speaker 13 They thought he was the valet from the way that he was dressed. And

Speaker 13 they just tossed him their keys.

Speaker 7 That car's yours in that instance, right?

Speaker 12 That's what I'm wondering. Like, is it considered stealing if you then take the car? If someone gave me their car keys, they just gave me their car keys?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 5 I think so, too.

Speaker 13 I think that would be theft, yes. Why would it?

Speaker 5 You didn't steal it. They gave it to you.

Speaker 3 It's called a mistake, I think, that they made.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that they made.

Speaker 7 And then Zach Thomas can be like, oh, I'm a football player. I was confused.

Speaker 13 Put it on the poll at lebotard show if someone tosses you their car keys because they think you're the valet are you stealing their car if you keep it if someone gives me something how am i stealing it

Speaker 4 problem solve

Speaker 13 you just gave me the point isn't pointing like that tony a rude in some cultures isn't isn't that something with a different finger maybe yeah with a with a point you're good but points universal put it on the poll at lebotard show is pointing at someone in some cultures considered rude.

Speaker 13 Yes or no?

Speaker 5 All rise.

Speaker 3 The Honorable Jonathan Zaszlo, now presiding with prejudice.

Speaker 13 What are we judging here? He already gave his ruling on this. We got to use the hat we made.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we made a hat.

Speaker 3 Quiet. The judge is here.

Speaker 7 No producers like us.

Speaker 13 What are we judging?

Speaker 5 What do you, what do you...

Speaker 5 Shut up and put that. You look ridiculous.

Speaker 7 I look like a judge.

Speaker 10 This is my courtroom. Shut up.

Speaker 13 We are judging whether or not it is theft you've already answered that question there's no

Speaker 12 silence silence in this courtroom i will throw you out we are judging the case before us which is

Speaker 12 if someone gives you keys

Speaker 12 to their car you've already made your ruling it i'm so close to holding you in contempt of court Is that considered stealing?

Speaker 12 It is not stealing with prejudice.

Speaker 5 For gibbables

Speaker 5 with fucking prejudice.

Speaker 13 That's not the way to do anything.

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Speaker 13 Mike Tomlin doesn't have a lot of fears in life, but one of the fears that he does have is a veteran quarterback.

Speaker 13 And so here is some Mike Tomlin sound where he is talking about Anthony Richardson, the former Colts quarterback who will never play again for the Colts.

Speaker 13 He was taken in the first round. He had played all of 15, he had started all of 15 games when they gave him the job last year.

Speaker 13 And now that job belongs to Daniel Jones, who has one of the great nicknames in the history of sports, Indiana Jones.

Speaker 13 Here is Mike Tomlin talking about when Anthony Richardson was playing, how it is he wanted Anthony Richardson to stay in the game, and no veteran quarterbacks to come in the game.

Speaker 18 A year ago, we're playing in Indianapolis, man, and I commented to the guys that, you know, keep Richardson upright, don't put Flacco in the game. And, you know, Flacco ended up in the game.

Speaker 1 I've never heard a coach just be like, that guy, we want him in there. Do not hurt that guy.

Speaker 13 Belichick, the aforementioned hypocrite, did say that of Freddie Mitchell in a Super Bowl. He said, every time he was out there, I was happy.
He did say that.

Speaker 13 But Tomlin saying, please keep Anthony Richardson upright, like

Speaker 13 weekends at Bernie's, like where you just keep this corpse,

Speaker 13 keep it alive, and keep it standing up. Please do not injure their quarterback.

Speaker 18 Keep Richardson upright. Don't put Flacco in the game.
And, you know, Flacco ended up in the game.

Speaker 16 So they didn't listen to him.

Speaker 5 That's insubordination.

Speaker 5 I told you, don't hit him. What are you doing?

Speaker 12 It's like mad at TJ Watt for sacking him.

Speaker 12 You know, it could have happened.

Speaker 18 He could have got nerds. You know, keep Richardson upright.
Don't put Flacco in the game. And, you know, Flacco ended up in the game.

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Speaker 13 Thank you, Carmen. Let's see.
Jeremy is going to go first here. We are going to be paying some penalties next week.

Speaker 13 Let's see what we have here. Jeremy, go ahead and reach in there and see what we've got.

Speaker 20 Go ahead and rummage a little bit.

Speaker 5 Let's see.

Speaker 5 The Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 5 They're on on the road at the Rams.

Speaker 10 Big game.

Speaker 16 Three and a half point dog.

Speaker 23 Ooh, man.

Speaker 5 I'm going to put it back.

Speaker 5 What?

Speaker 5 Three and a half got to end.

Speaker 1 It's got to end for the Colts. I like that.

Speaker 5 It's going to end eventually.

Speaker 21 Live dog, Mike. And now Dan curse Daniel Jones.

Speaker 20 Anthony Richardson's going to end up in the game.

Speaker 5 Oh, shit. I got the Panthers.

Speaker 5 He loser.

Speaker 13 I'm sorry. Carolina is on the road.

Speaker 5 Plus five England.

Speaker 7 Yeah, plus five and a half at New England. Damn.

Speaker 5 All right, here we go.

Speaker 20 First pick.

Speaker 5 The Detroit Lions.

Speaker 5 Lions are big favorites. Big favorite against the Browns.
I'll take that. 10 and a half.

Speaker 7 Yep, minus 10 and a half.

Speaker 13 Mike Ryan, go ahead and select in there.

Speaker 5 Got the Raiders against the Burrs.

Speaker 16 They're favored by a half a point at home against the Bears.

Speaker 5 Nice thing I'm going to take the Raiders.

Speaker 5 I like that.

Speaker 18 Really? Why would you like that?

Speaker 5 Oh,

Speaker 5 I don't want to risk getting something worse.

Speaker 1 Just listen to Vegas.

Speaker 1 If you get a favorite, you keep it.

Speaker 5 Half a point.

Speaker 20 I can't believe I got the Panthers.

Speaker 3 I got the Broncos. They are seven and a half point favorites against the Bengals.

Speaker 1 Monday night.

Speaker 5 That's a good point.

Speaker 5 I'll keep it.

Speaker 1 What a terrible Monday night sleep.

Speaker 5 It's a double hero.

Speaker 7 Two terrible games. That's the good game.

Speaker 1 That's the one Joe Buck's going to, I heard.

Speaker 3 We're getting the B team down here.

Speaker 1 I got the Niners.

Speaker 16 They are at home.

Speaker 7 Three and a half point favorite versus the Jags.

Speaker 5 Oh,

Speaker 5 man.

Speaker 16 Is Purdy playing? No, no, he's not.

Speaker 1 I'll keep it. Screw it.

Speaker 13 Can you get the Mac Jones sound from yesterday? Him giggling maniacally because he threw an interception that a defender didn't have to do much of anything in order to intercept.

Speaker 13 Mac Jones with the laughter of a winner after a catastrophic mistake in a 16 of 15 victory that Tony has proclaimed Kyler Murray is done as a watch.

Speaker 8 I got the Jets.

Speaker 13 The Jets are a three and a half point dog in that terrible Monday night game against the Dolphins.

Speaker 5 No, I got a dog back. Tyron Taylor can move the ball from me.

Speaker 12 What's this? No game?

Speaker 13 Oh, that's a good helmet. That's the golden helmet of life.

Speaker 5 Congratulations.

Speaker 5 That is three straight weeks of buys. That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 13 Yes, congratulations.

Speaker 5 That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 13 Give me the swap helmet. Give me the swap helmet so I can have that for three weeks.

Speaker 16 I got the Titans.

Speaker 13 I don't think I want that for any reason.

Speaker 5 At Houston, Houston, seven and a half for three.

Speaker 19 I like the Titans, they're sure and a half-point dodge.

Speaker 13 Yeah, but it's not a spread.

Speaker 14 I don't even have to watch that game.

Speaker 5 Oh, I got the Texans.

Speaker 13 I did upgrade that.

Speaker 5 The good news for you is you have to watch the Texans.

Speaker 13 Titans aren't a lot of fun to watch.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah, I got the quarterback, though.

Speaker 21 He was fun to watch.

Speaker 5 This season,

Speaker 13 he's had a couple of throws this season, a couple of throws that I have enjoyed, but Cam Ward hasn't shown me a lot. I don't think it's great.

Speaker 13 You're not going to be able to make much of an appraisal so far of Cam Ward. He's throwing the ball an awful lot behind the line of scrimmage, like all of these guys are.

Speaker 13 How do you guys feel about that development in football?

Speaker 13 Because I don't hear or see a lot of people complaining about the way that the turnover has become such a precious thing that all quarterbacks are playing really conservative.

Speaker 13 All offenses are playing really conservative.

Speaker 12 How much does it have to do with not wanting to turn the ball over compared to they just don't have the time that they used to have?

Speaker 7 It's emotional.

Speaker 13 I think,

Speaker 13 well, no, I think it's everyone's terrified of turnovers. There's not, we've heard this for a long time in football.

Speaker 13 Every time a coach is interviewed on the sidelines, they will say we have to win the turnover battle.

Speaker 13 And when you're talking about the, like Andy Reid mentioned this during Useless Sound, the margins in some of these games are ridiculous. The idea that the Broncos are one and two

Speaker 13 when they could easily be 3-0. Like you're talking about a couple of penalties or the difference between 1-2 and 3-0, the Ravens.

Speaker 13 Now, their defense has been terrible, but the Ravens are so close to being 3-0.

Speaker 13 When you're talking about these margins and you're talking about salary cap sport that makes just about everything equitable, turnovers have a value that's nuts.

Speaker 13 If I were to say to you, over the course of the last few years, I have told you that what I want, if you want to give me value somewhere, give me somebody who can get to the passer.

Speaker 13 Give me some things that alter games that aren't, you know, a great offensive guard.

Speaker 13 None of us here have an accurate appraisal of what the value is of an offensive guard.

Speaker 13 But if I have someone who can either create turnovers or I have position players who consistently avoid turnovers, what's more valuable than that other than a cheap quarterback?

Speaker 13 Other than a cheap quarterback?

Speaker 13 I'll give you anything in the sport, okay?

Speaker 13 For a while there, when Michael Lewis wrote the book about the blind side, we had a shift in the sport where everyone realized, oh, the left tackle, pretty important. Got to protect the quarterback.

Speaker 13 Quarterback's hugely important. Let's start paying the left tackles.
What are the things you want on a football field that you think are more valuable than someone who can create turnovers?

Speaker 13 Either a defense or a player who is exceptional at getting the football back and getting your offense more chances.

Speaker 19 The problem with turnovers, Dan, is that they're not sticky, right? Like they're random. That's the whole point of it.
So you have somebody that can create turnovers.

Speaker 19 We saw a couple years ago, Trayvon Diggs have seven interceptions, and now he's stumbling out of the block. And Luther Roma Dunze is beating him for a 60-yard touchdown.

Speaker 19 It's like you can't rely or people can't be worried about turning the ball over either interceptions or fumbles because they happen either way, right?

Speaker 19 I think the defense has completely shifted where we're not seeing one safety anymore on the top of the field. We're seeing two high safeties and completely taking the top off the defense.

Speaker 19 There's no way that

Speaker 19 they can stretch the field with two high safeties.

Speaker 14 Exactly what it is. What you're seeing is a defensive response to how offenses had the rules changed for them.
They adjusted, if you want the rules changed again, that's what you're complaining about.

Speaker 14 It's not conservative. They're doing RPOs because they need to get the ball out quicker.

Speaker 14 And yes, a byproduct of RPOs means you avoid turnovers, but they can't go bombs away because there's too high safeties there now.

Speaker 13 I suppose I am complaining about it because I want to see great offensive players be great offensive players. And so just aesthetically,

Speaker 13 the revolt that there is against the tush push, when we talked about this last week and I was saying that all the time in sports, because this is entertainment, it has little to do with the integrity of the game, they change the rules all the time

Speaker 13 in order to entertain the fans, the customer, more.

Speaker 13 This development, we can't, we're not going to disagree, right, on the fact that Patrick Mahomes has been turned into this.

Speaker 13 He's not a nobody, nobody listening to this would say that Patrick Mahomes isn't a great quarterback, but he's been turned into something that I don't want to watch them play offense anymore.

Speaker 13 Like, I'm bored by their football games when their football games used to be appointment viewing.

Speaker 14 So then I would suggest a pivot on your take because you've been ringing the bell on conservative nature of offenses, and the defenses adjust, and you want the game tilted towards the offense.

Speaker 14 I actually love where the game's at right now because I like seeing defenses have a shot to compete. I know the other stuff is hedonism, and a lot of people like a lot of a lot of points.

Speaker 14 I like that there's a game now to be played. It's more of a chess match and you get to actually see athletes on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 19 Patrick Mahomes is actually a prisoner of his own design because when he was bombs away and throwing the ball 55 yards to Tyreek Hill every two plays, they were like, wait a second.

Speaker 19 Anytime that we have one safety in the middle of the field, he's going to throw it for 65 yards in a touchdown because we can't cover Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 19 So like, all right, we're just going to sit back two safeties. Good luck.
You're going to try to throw something deep. So

Speaker 19 the defense is adjusted to exactly what Patrick Mahomes was doing.

Speaker 12 How many exciting offenses in the league are there right now?

Speaker 13 Ravens, Lions. I would have made a decent argument for the Packers just because I like Jordan Lowe.

Speaker 5 The Chargers aren't bad right now.

Speaker 19 Colts,

Speaker 5 Bucs,

Speaker 5 Eagles.

Speaker 23 The Eagles are not exciting.

Speaker 5 I think the Eagles are exciting me.

Speaker 14 I think Saquon Barkley was electric. I liked watching the Eagles last year, and I like that there's an unstoppable.

Speaker 14 He hasn't been that good this year. They got the same personnel.

Speaker 5 What are we doing? I don't like just that. It's not fun watching their offense.

Speaker 1 It's just like Jalen Hurts scrambling.

Speaker 5 I love watching the Bills.

Speaker 5 I like where the end of the game is. I like Josh Allen.

Speaker 18 I like Josh Allen. I'm with you more on that than the Bills.

Speaker 19 I don't like seeing Keon Coleman run for 17 yards in a win sprint.

Speaker 5 I mean, Jaden Daniels throws the ball deep.

Speaker 5 There's a lot of offenses there.

Speaker 16 And I think the defenses need a shot.

Speaker 14 Otherwise, we're not really playing a sport. We're playing a game that is tilted to the offense.
And the game that we're actually playing is who has the best offense.

Speaker 14 And your only hope as a defense is a pass rush.

Speaker 5 That's not football.

Speaker 13 Well, Zaslow loves a defensive game, but I don't think that most people do. I think most people do want hedonism from their football.

Speaker 5 I do think that that trench play.

Speaker 13 Well, Tony, Tony was very frustrated by that 16-15 49ers Cardinals game and the way that those two teams play. I'm frustrated by seeing Kyler Murray turned into a 15-point a game player.

Speaker 5 I want you don't love watching Fred Warner, though?

Speaker 14 Fred Warner, like snap to snap, is as electric a player to watch in the NFL as pot, like, as there is.

Speaker 14 You don't love watching the Niners play defense?

Speaker 15 I freaking love it.

Speaker 14 And I think that game is a byproduct of this is what the Niners have to do to win this game without Brock Purdy. Mac Jones is limited.
Mac Jones readily admits he doesn't even know the full playbook.

Speaker 6 I thought that was fun.

Speaker 13 Why do you like the 16-15 game and you don't like the Jacksonville-Houston 17-10 game? What are you doing?

Speaker 14 Well, because Houston's offense, I think, is objectively bad. I think

Speaker 14 whatever it is, new OC, the pressure up the middle, as as we often say, I just don't like the Houston games because it's so mundane.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the Texans.

Speaker 15 It's so redundant.

Speaker 14 I did not have the Texans. I hate betting the Texans because that incentivizes me to watch the Texans.

Speaker 10 I don't want to watch them.

Speaker 14 I do agree that there are some bad offenses, but that's the NFL.

Speaker 16 There are going to be better offenses and worse offenses, just like they're better defenses and worse defenses.

Speaker 14 And I like watching certain defensive.

Speaker 14 Fred Warner is one of the few players without an all-22 that I can actually watch do his job out there, and I friggin love it.

Speaker 19 It was 16-15. It was a miracle, by the way, because it was 6-6, like deep into the third.
And I was looking at this game and I texted you, Dan, like, send this game to the sun.

Speaker 19 Just beam it to the sun. I don't want to see anything of this game anymore.
They kept going back to it on red zone, and I'm like, all right, here, third and 18 for Kyler Murray. Oh, he scrambles out.

Speaker 19 Six-yard game. Okay.

Speaker 16 But you get the occasion.

Speaker 21 It's not like there aren't an offensive exposure.

Speaker 5 For sure.

Speaker 14 You get the Sunday night game between the Bills and the Ravens.

Speaker 16 Like, there are plenty of good games.

Speaker 14 I think the league is really healthy. I hope they don't change the rules because I like the defenses.

Speaker 2 Well, what are you going to outlaw? Too high safeties?

Speaker 19 Like, there's nothing you can do.

Speaker 13 I was talking about the tush push.

Speaker 13 The reason that's going to get outlawed is because it's not aesthetically pleasing, and you can't have the champions winning 19 of 20 games when 12% of their plays are rugby and not football.

Speaker 3 How ridiculous is that story, by the way, that they said they were going to change the rule, and then Jason Kelsey came in and gave an impassioned speech.

Speaker 6 I'm like, you know what?

Speaker 3 We need to keep this for Jason Kelsey.

Speaker 3 How ridiculous is that?

Speaker 12 Even teams that voted against it, they changed their mind.

Speaker 14 Jason Kelsey said, so we must have it. The Lions earn my respect forever because they were the only team on the Eagles schedule that's like, no, let them do it.
Because that's what it was.

Speaker 14 You have a duty to your team to vote against that since they have this unstoppable play.

Speaker 10 Like, whatever, I know.

Speaker 14 I don't necessarily think it's fair, but it gives us a better chance to win. It's also

Speaker 16 for a yard, right?

Speaker 19 It's not a 60-yard play. It's a one-yard play.
Okay, he gets one yard. Okay.

Speaker 17 But it's a new set of downs.

Speaker 19 Yeah, but if they could just turn and give it to Saquon Barkley to do the same thing, even if they outlaw it, like.

Speaker 5 Don't put him in fourth and one.

Speaker 5 Don't put him in third and one.

Speaker 2 It's a a one-yard player.

Speaker 1 Do you think the front office pitches that to Dan Campbell of like, we should vote no?

Speaker 7 And he's like, nah, over my dead body. Wow.

Speaker 3 What do you like about a defensive game, Zaz? Like, I find it hard to believe you like a 9-6 game. Or, like, a couple weeks ago, the Sunday nighter, there was Falcons Vikings 22-6.

Speaker 5 You're like, wow, damn, seven goal goals. This was a great game.

Speaker 12 No, that was a bad game, the one that you just said there. But, you know, a game that's 45-41, where every possession results in a score, That's not interesting to me, man.

Speaker 23 That is funny.

Speaker 12 No, that's a bad game.

Speaker 12 That's a bad game the same way that the 9-6 game is bad, man. Like,

Speaker 12 there's got to be a little bit of a balance.

Speaker 13 Give me a stop every now and then.

Speaker 7 What about that Monday nighter, like five years ago?

Speaker 5 Hated it. The class of the game.

Speaker 5 You hated that game.

Speaker 5 How did you hate that game?

Speaker 14 It's a fun little outlier for it to happen, but if the game becomes that, then we're playing an NFL.

Speaker 12 It's literally whatever team has the ball last.

Speaker 17 Why do I have to watch the whole game if whoever has the ball last is going to win?

Speaker 5 One of the most classic games of all time. It was.

Speaker 16 It was.

Speaker 14 I love quarterbacks, but I also love Miles Garrett putting a team on his shoulders, knowing how limited his offense is, and he's going to make the play.

Speaker 14 I love watching the Steelers knowing that TJ Watt is going to touch a football and make a game-changing play.

Speaker 12 Give me a 23-16 game ahead of that one every time.

Speaker 13 You guys mentioned Jason Kelsey. Forgive my ignorance here.
That late night show, How's It Doing?

Speaker 3 It was just a limited version.

Speaker 10 It went away.

Speaker 3 Oh, okay. It was just like a couple episodes during the postseason.
I don't think it was ever designed to be a long-term thing.

Speaker 7 Maybe it comes back this season. Probably would have been a long-term thing if it if it performed.

Speaker 14 It didn't really perform. It kind of came and went.
It was a cool little hack that they did and decided against doing it more.

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Speaker 23 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 10 To us, residents.

Speaker 5 That's pretty short. It didn't look better.
You think I haven't been practicing. Stugats.
Oh,

Speaker 5 I didn't realize we had a substitute complicated legacy choice.

Speaker 5 441 Powerline Road.

Speaker 10 Second down to nine.

Speaker 11 This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

Speaker 13 The numbers that I was giving you guys on Kimmel that continue to grow 6 million plus

Speaker 13 post 11.30 p.m. Eastern on television, on linear television, and more than 20 million on YouTube.

Speaker 13 Obviously, none of that is going to sustain, but I did want to talk for a second with you guys because of the duress that late night television is under and because everybody is watching this stuff differently than they used to.

Speaker 13 You guys do remember, right? Or maybe you don't. I don't believe ABC had late night television that was this.

Speaker 3 Kimmel was the starting point.

Speaker 14 They had politically incorrect for a brief moment.

Speaker 13 They had politically incorrect, which ironically enough was canceled for being politically incorrect.

Speaker 13 They also had Nightline. That was just a news program, which is what I associated with ABC Ted Coppel late-night television.

Speaker 13 But Jimmy Kimmel's first shows, if you'll remember, he had a bar, a live audience that was drinking during it, and then they stopped doing that very quickly because... Why would they do that?

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 13 well he was coming off of the man show and this was what the the evolution of jimmy kimmel into

Speaker 13 american martyr from from man show and from drinking the studio audience drinking from a from a free bar during the show that coral malone bit was wild

Speaker 14 you gotta see that i have it on my phone

Speaker 13 23 years late night television more than 4 000 shows and obviously this last one is going to be the biggest that he's ever done.

Speaker 13 And it's going to resonate, but it's not going to have staying power, correct?

Speaker 13 We're all assuming that this will go back to where we were before, where late-night television is dying because everyone is telling you, no, I'll go ahead and watch things without commercials on my own time.

Speaker 13 And I won't stay up into the middle of the night and do this the way that you want me to, not when I can do it anywhere else at my convenience.

Speaker 13 You guys believe what is going to happen here going forward? Because when we talked yesterday to Brian Stelter,

Speaker 13 it seems obvious that this mistake this way won't be made again, where we go this directly from threat is made, and now there's a threat to freedom of speech, and now Americans with a public outcry are doing something that you simply don't see very much anymore.

Speaker 13 Like, I'm watching what I think is truly horrifying video every day about, you know, how a state militia is just treating people who are peaceful protesters.

Speaker 13 And I can't get consensus group outrage on that when that feels deeply un-American and it feels like it's an insult to American core principles.

Speaker 13 But on Jimmy Kimmel, I got something that felt like consensus.

Speaker 13 And I got something that felt like consensus when I don't believe the core principle that was being protected by Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly and those folks was free speech absolutism.

Speaker 13 I think that our core principle there is just selfishness. Media members have microphones and they don't want that threatened.

Speaker 13 Like, I didn't think that that was actually the reason that everyone gathered around the core principle on that one with free speech absolutism.

Speaker 14 I also think you also saw politicians. Ted Cruz,

Speaker 14 who did like an Italian accent on a podcast, was sounding the alarm alarm on it.

Speaker 16 You know why?

Speaker 14 Because I know what the hats say in the merch shop, but Donald Trump is up there, and this is supposed to be his final term.

Speaker 14 And there are a lot of politicians that would love to be career politicians that know the American politics pendulum swings.

Speaker 14 And they don't want to be paying for the checks that Donald Trump is writing right now because they know that the response, just like Donald Trump was a response from the right to what they saw was a more radicalized movement inside the Democratic Party.

Speaker 14 Party, and that is up for debate. But we cannot deny that it was a response, with the seeds being of the Tea Party.

Speaker 14 They know this thing shifts from end to end, and they don't want to be on the receiving end of what is currently being dished out.

Speaker 13 As it relates to sports and politics, Bruce Pearl has just left Auburn, and he did so in a way that was interesting to me.

Speaker 13 And I saw that Michael Wilbon, because many of these arguments are getting dumber and dumber, and

Speaker 13 I saw that Michael Wilbon was catching some heat, which I have not seen before when it was just something in the big finish of PTI. Big finish is just music and fast and happy.
And it's just

Speaker 13 finger guns.

Speaker 16 It's finger guns, dance, a lot of finger guns.

Speaker 5 Oh, happy birthday to this guy. It is.

Speaker 13 It's just like, let's conclude this punctuation in a way that's musical and dancing and happy and fun. And happy trails to Bruce Pearl, who's retiring at Auburn.

Speaker 13 And then all of a sudden, Mike Wilbon, because he calls Bruce Pearl divisive and because he says he's glad he's gone at at Auburn and he hopes he was forced out,

Speaker 13 he gets turned into someone who gets, you know, dragged because he's against Bruce Pearl and he's against Bruce Pearl because Bruce Pearl is going sort of the Tommy Tubberville route after making a lot of money off of black

Speaker 13 kids

Speaker 13 and he is, you know, anti-DEI and Mike Wilbon called him divisive. And I'm just curious what you guys thought of all of that because the part that I actually found interesting

Speaker 13 and you have to understand that these college power brokers, no matter how much we want to make them leaders and we want to make them educators, they're just salesmen.

Speaker 5 and they're oily.

Speaker 13 And some of them might care about education, but most of them care about being the agents who get a percentage of a cut off of the players.

Speaker 13 The part that I thought was interesting about Bruce Pearl

Speaker 13 you're anti-DEI, but the way that you retired, when you knew you were going to retire, you did it so that they had to take your kid because there's not time with the season coming up.

Speaker 13 They have to do it your way. I've seen Dean Smith do that.
I thought Dean Smith earned it more. And this is no knock on Bruce Pearl as a basketball coach.
He's a great basketball coach,

Speaker 13 also a cheater, and also someone who lies, but he is a great basketball coach.

Speaker 13 I thought it was what?

Speaker 20 That was just a funny like he lied.

Speaker 5 For the record,

Speaker 5 he lies.

Speaker 14 Also, for the record, we can safely assume he is anti-DEI with how public he has been with his political statements lately, which have been amplified over the last few months.

Speaker 14 And there are some people with Tuberville positioning himself for a run for governor. Some people are saying, Is Bruce Pearl trying to do the same lane, the same pipeline, Auburn to politics?

Speaker 14 I struggled to find on-the-record quotes about DEI, but I've heard him say Obama was divisive. He has certainly been putting himself out there way more politically, and the timing of this is curious.

Speaker 13 It's not curious. It's just self-serving.
And look, this is good fathering.

Speaker 7 Oh, I agree with you, Dave.

Speaker 14 It's not curious, and it's not fooling anybody. It's the Tony Bennett move.

Speaker 16 You know when camps opened up for college basketball teams? This week.

Speaker 14 Tony Bennett did this exact same thing.

Speaker 15 Why?

Speaker 14 Because your university can't conduct a search. You essentially name your coach in waiting.
And in this case, it just so happens to be Bruce Pearl's son.

Speaker 14 Now, let's go over this resume of Bruce Pearl's son. His son is 38 years old, who worked as a medical sales rep for years until he took up coaching in 2017.

Speaker 16 He's only ever coached under his dad.

Speaker 14 Do we think this is the best hire that Auburn can make?

Speaker 14 Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

Speaker 5 It's the Tony Bennett move.

Speaker 16 This is a separate conversation for whatever Bruce Pearl is going to do with his career afterwards.

Speaker 5 But this ain't fooling anybody, Jack.

Speaker 13 That Jack was not necessary.

Speaker 5 Oh, it felt good. It did feel good.

Speaker 13 The move is a good father move if you want to get your son the cushy job. I don't know if Bruce Pearl has earned the right to do that the way that Tony Bennett and Dean Smith had.

Speaker 13 Auburn's good at basketball. Auburn's been to a couple of Final Fours with Bruce Pearl there.

Speaker 5 Well,

Speaker 14 we struggled to find DEI comments. I did find something from Bruce Pearl's social media,

Speaker 14 and this, I guess, is a statement. In retweeting an awful announcing article from June 28th of Stephen A.

Speaker 14 Smith speaking out for more than five minutes straight about the role nepotism played in the Lakers' selection of Bronnie James. We live in a country where nepotism has taken place.

Speaker 16 Bruce Pearl retweeted with comment, preach, Stephen A.

Speaker 13 The idea that you would put your son in place and you would retire at 65

Speaker 13 with timing. With gimmick.
The timing meant specifically to make sure that your university gets strong-armed and doesn't have a choice, but has to take your son.

Speaker 13 You would agree that that's good fathering, right?

Speaker 12 It's good fathering, but honestly, like,

Speaker 23 why does Auburn have to go along with it?

Speaker 12 Okay, let him be the interim coach because the season is starting soon, but you're allowed to still conduct a search right now. Like, why can't they conduct a search?

Speaker 12 And, all right, they'll find a head coach and you could install him a month or two into the season, like, whatever.

Speaker 13 Oh, but it's a bit chaotic. This

Speaker 16 right now is chaotic.

Speaker 13 Yes, to do it and to do it strategically, because I don't think Bruce Pearl woke up this morning and was like, ah, I don't want to coach anymore.

Speaker 5 No, it's sinister.

Speaker 14 They know exactly what they're doing, and they want the ability to name who they want to name as the next head coach. And it's particularly

Speaker 14 disturbing when it's your son who lacks the necessary experience to run a program such as Auburn.

Speaker 12 So, what's more chaotic than handing the reins over to someone who is not qualified to be the head coach right now or doing a search right now and installing a coach a month or two away?

Speaker 13 But Pearl is staying there, though. He's going to be consultant.
He's going to be around. You don't

Speaker 13 lose the coach.

Speaker 14 That is the perfect heist right there.

Speaker 5 You leave, but I'm not really leaving.

Speaker 5 I'm going to be here.

Speaker 14 I have this whole, I worked this out over Thanksgiving last year.

Speaker 13 I don't think I'd call it sinister, though. I don't, and if I'm calling it good good fathering, I don't think I would call good fathering since.

Speaker 12 Good fathering can be sinister.

Speaker 5 It can be? I think so. How?

Speaker 12 We're seeing it.

Speaker 19 This guy fights his kids. What do you mean?

Speaker 13 They challenge me. You think I think he's a good father?

Speaker 5 Sometimes.

Speaker 13 Sinister?

Speaker 13 Sinister to just

Speaker 13 put your son in a great job, in a great position.

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