The Big Suey: The Honey Hole (feat. Domonique Foxworth)

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Speaker 9 Welcome to the Big Sue,

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Speaker 10 It's a podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebetard podcast.

Speaker 12 I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.

Speaker 10 In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging.

Speaker 11 I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.

Speaker 13 I've done it.

Speaker 10 And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.

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Speaker 11 Tony has built a nice little side hustle that involves MMA, MMA hangouts. He does live streams during some UFC events.

Speaker 11 I'd like to see him start doing some boxing, but he's going to be hanging out here tomorrow night.

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Those are a lot of fun. He has a lot of fun with them.

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Speaker 11 Jeremy, Tony came after you yesterday and made the accusation accusing you of

Speaker 11 Botox, I think.

Speaker 13 Yeah, that's exactly what I think.

Speaker 11 Having work done. From Mr.

Speaker 16 Creatine himself.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 13 Damn.

Speaker 16 If anyone's artificially inflating the way that they look, I mean, it's certainly not me. I'm not lacking for confidence in just because

Speaker 16 everybody around here is

Speaker 4 talked about

Speaker 12 reckless here is something we like to call reckless speculation yeah he's talked about it

Speaker 4 yeah

Speaker 16 you know i'm just saying i i don't need anything to affirm myself i'm good in where i'm at you know you don't sound defensive i don't sound offensive i feel confident in where i'm at you know everybody's been been publicly kind of praising the way i look which i don't love the way that that works with weight but i'll take it and look i'm just gonna say it.

Speaker 16 That hat was pulling my eyebrows back.

Speaker 18 I look crazy in that photo.

Speaker 16 But to accuse me of Botox, throwing stones from a glass house, my friend.

Speaker 15 You don't want to go much further. You're good now.
You're thin enough.

Speaker 11 Yeah,

Speaker 11 I felt like there was a little extra on Mr. Creatine.
Like, Mr. Creatine.

Speaker 16 Yeah, well, I don't need enhancements. You know,

Speaker 16 I'm not here trying to change much.

Speaker 8 I'm just trying to be healthy, Dan.

Speaker 11 I don't think that creatine counts as a natural supplement, but I do think creatine is viewed as not immoral, that it is not.

Speaker 20 Tony would take steroids.

Speaker 13 Yeah, he would not.

Speaker 19 He would.

Speaker 9 I think there's probably like four or five people here that would take steroids, I think.

Speaker 16 Number one on the list.

Speaker 11 Do you want to name them? Do you think there are four or five people who would take steroids?

Speaker 16 Top five people in the office who wouldn't.

Speaker 21 That would take steroids or HGH. You don't think?

Speaker 9 Who do you think?

Speaker 1 Mike would take steroids.

Speaker 13 Mike Ryan or

Speaker 11 steroids. Fuentes might take steroids.

Speaker 19 Fuentes strikes me as too lazy for steroids.

Speaker 15 I can see Fuentes taking steroids.

Speaker 11 that uh I think that Tony would take steroids my grind for sure I think Jeremy would take steroids what about Dominique you do Dominique would not take steroids he's a moral creature he only accuses the Brian Flores dolphins of being unethical uh he does not he has his dignity and his moral rectitude who do you believe Dominique would be our top three rankings on potential steroid users in the office here well I mean I think definitely Tony's near the top uh the idea of someone being being too lazy to take steroids, wow.

Speaker 7 I mean, I thought the point of taking steroids was so you didn't have to work that hard, Fuentez. Like, what? Like, you're too lazy to cheat? That's a level of laziness that I didn't know existed.

Speaker 7 But yeah, I mean, I think Mike cares about his appearance, but

Speaker 7 I think Mike has a little more integrity than that to take steroids. I really think it's just Tony.
Like, Tony's the only one.

Speaker 11 I think high school baseball Chris would take steroids because other people were taking steroids, but then he wouldn't follow up with like the next cycle so it wouldn't be super efficient he would get those steroid boobs because he just did like three cycles and then didn't finish the job

Speaker 7 the steroids man like i i think i was naive and thought no one was using peds while i played and like anyone who was using it got caught but then i got older and started to realize that they add new substances to the list almost every year and that like for all leagues they add new substances almost every year to the list so i'm like uh well why do you need to add that probably because you found some of that somewhere you're trying to keep it out the league going forward and then the hdh testing is just too difficult to keep up with because you got to do like blood testing and all that stuff so i don't know i feel like i left some money on the table yeah do you look back and say man i should have done steroids everyone's doing it like what was i thinking

Speaker 7 I think, I mean, with HDH, it like increases, everything grows and like increases your chances of cancer and stuff like that. So I kind of don't really have any regrets, honestly.

Speaker 7 I wish that no one was doing it, but it was also like the thing was the, you could get an exemption for like certain amphetamines.

Speaker 7 So like people would have, uh, who had ADHD would use, get an exemption, but it's essentially you on speed.

Speaker 7 So like you could, you can get a prescription and then you could, and that was for the NFL so that you could use like Adderall or something like that.

Speaker 7 And there is some performance enhancing like nature to having that.

Speaker 7 Even, I mean, even if you're not including the physical part, it's like a mental focusing that could help you that a lot of guys would use back when I played.

Speaker 7 I don't know if they're still doing that, but it was a thing. You can't even get smelling salts anymore.
You got to bring your own salts, they had, they say.

Speaker 9 So like not to make light of the situation, but like, was there like a doctor that you guys knew you'd go to and the doctor would be like, okay, Dominique, we have to.

Speaker 13 And you'd be like, what? What? What?

Speaker 17 And you just

Speaker 17 looking around the room and like, oh, well, Dominique, I guess he has ADD. Like, we got to give him something.

Speaker 7 I mean, I don't know. I didn't meet that doctor, but we had team doctors, but I guess to get a prescription, you'd have to go to an outside doctor.

Speaker 7 But the harder part, I think, was getting exemptions. I think the league wasn't just like giving exemptions to everybody.
So to get an exemption, that was the more difficult part.

Speaker 7 But I imagine, like, of all the doctors that there are in the world and how football obsessed we are, you probably just had to go to a doctor and say, hey, hey, doc, having a hard time concentrating.

Speaker 7 You want us to win this weekend, right?

Speaker 11 Ricky Williams talks about doctors going down, or not doctors, but flight attendants going down on the team flight on the way home with just a tray filled with all sorts of pain pills on them i would imagine that that was uh that you found yourself surrounded by a resplendence of pain pills no no honestly like i i saw some crazy things on uh on some team flights but the the tray of pain pills wasn't it like there was um guys needed like there's

Speaker 7 There is some need for that stuff. So I'm sure there were people abusing it.
There are people abuse everything in this world. But the doctors and the trainers knew the guys who needed the stuff.

Speaker 7 And then you would get it as you were going back to your seat because they would be like in the front of the plane. But it wasn't like, and it'd be like in a bag.
It'd be discreet.

Speaker 7 It wasn't a big thing. People walking through the aisles with trays.
That's, I feel like some 1960s stuff where they were smoking cigarettes at halftime. That seems wild to me.

Speaker 15 Wild things you've seen on the flights. Go on.

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah, I'm not telling. That's the, I mean, fights, stuff like that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, all the rest of that stuff. Nah, you're not getting that out of me.
Well,

Speaker 7 I'll tell you in private. I'm not telling people on this broadcast, but yeah, fights.
We'll just leave it at that. I'll call you later.

Speaker 9 Dominique, earlier today, Roy revealed that he burned his hand, and then he went on to blame his wife for saying something that upset him and distracted him.

Speaker 22 And then he grabbed a hot pan without the glove on because, again, it was his wife's fault for saying something to him.

Speaker 13 That's right.

Speaker 22 Do we believe that it was Roy or his wife's fault for burning his hand?

Speaker 7 Well, I mean, I think we all know that it's Roy's fault for burning his hands. I mean, I don't think Roy was blaming her.

Speaker 7 He was just explaining the circumstances for why he ended up being distracted, right?

Speaker 11 No, he was blaming her.

Speaker 19 He said it was her fault.

Speaker 13 I was explaining how much of it, that it was her fault.

Speaker 7 I mean, it depends on what she said. Like, what did she say? Did she say something absurd? That is, I mean.

Speaker 13 I don't remember because I burnt my hand, Dominique.

Speaker 7 Okay, so it wasn't that bad.

Speaker 17 She's like, the Panthers are missing the playoffs.

Speaker 13 Well, in that case, Barkov Barkoff isn't that important.

Speaker 13 Oh, it would have been both hands in.

Speaker 11 Something truly blasphemous. I thought, Dominique, that the 49ers produced the single most impressive victory I've seen from any team this season.
Tell me why I'm wrong.

Speaker 11 Give me another one that was more impressive than what the 49ers did without quarterback one, wide receiver one, wide receiver two, wide receiver three, defensive end one, and tight end one.

Speaker 7 It was a very impressive win.

Speaker 7 I don't know that I could tell you one that was more impressive, but I think I could explain it in a way that makes it a little less impressive so like we can go through all the x's and o's things but also football because there are like so few possessions it the outcomes can be fickle and when the rams had two fumbles a misfield goal a drop pass that led to a misfield goal a blocked extra point The 49ers had a fumble that the refs decided wasn't a fumble on forward progress.

Speaker 7 Mac Jones threw an interception down the middle of the field that was dropped by one linebacker. Had he not caught caught it, it would have gone right into the back to his safety.

Speaker 7 He was waiting for it. And like all these things happened in the game to make the results seem different.

Speaker 7 So I don't think the 49ers are better than the Rams today, which is, I know, an absurd thing to say because they're 4-1 and leading their division that the Rams are in.

Speaker 7 But, and I don't think that the 49ers played better than them overall last night. But all the pivotal kind of it could go this way or could go that way type of plays that decide a game.

Speaker 7 When you fumble in the red zone, you have a pitch that bounces off a running running back's face. All those things went in the 49ers' direction.
But, I mean, McCorkle did. I mean, he played well.

Speaker 7 He had the two-faced suit on.

Speaker 13 That's a big night for me.

Speaker 11 There just haven't been that kind of surprise in the league.

Speaker 11 I know Cleveland beat Green Bay, but to be an eight and a half-point dog to be that injured, does Kyle Shanahan have some sort of secrets when it comes to helping quarterbacks be better?

Speaker 11 Because while you mentioned that Mac Jones did have some bad throws, it was by percentage. It was only two off-target throws according to PFF on 49 dropbacks.

Speaker 7 Yeah, PFF is a great resource, but one day I want them to release like the play-by-play grading system because I've had some disagreements with them over the years where people that I thought had good games, they said had bad games.

Speaker 7 But that's a whole nother conversation. I think Mac Jones was really good last night, and the bad, the one bad throw that I'm talking about wasn't the problem.

Speaker 7 But it seems that what Kyle Shanahan is able to do is through formations and motions, he makes the things look more complicated to the defense than they are to the quarterback.

Speaker 7 And the Rams have like a marriage of things on their defense that don't match up really well. They have small corners who haven't performed very well and a really great defensive line.

Speaker 7 So like if you have a really good defensive line, you'd love to have big corners who are comfortable pressing or good corners who have great lateral movement who can press to buy you an extra tenth of a second, two-tenths of a second for the pressure to get home because they were winning up front, but they were getting rid of the ball so quickly and they were attacking the linebackers and the cornerbacks, which are kind of the weaker points of the Ramps defense.

Speaker 7 So I think from a scheme standpoint, I'll give Kyle Shanahan a ton of credit because it never looks that hard for his quarterback. It never looks that confusing.

Speaker 7 The reads seem pretty obvious and they attack horizontally, which I think creates like a higher percentage of success.

Speaker 7 If you're going like vertically down the field, it's harder to have success on those deeper passes.

Speaker 7 So they like stretch your defense horizontally and they attack the weak parts of every defense that they play.

Speaker 7 But the things that they do from week to week, the pre-snap look might look different, but in the games, they're kind of doing the same things and the quarterbacks and the receivers get comfortable with it.

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Speaker 11 If Shanahan had lost that game last night, it would be 19 times that his teams have blown double-digit leads. That's by a factor of like 10 more than any other coach in the league.
What's happened?

Speaker 11 And playoffs included. What's happening there?

Speaker 7 I mean, I think he gets conservative. He's a conservative type of play caller.

Speaker 7 What I was kind of respected about Kyle Shanhan was he doesn't want to get the third down. It feels like the way he calls his plays is like, I don't want to get the third down.

Speaker 7 And that's great because when you're trailing, that's great because he's going to throw earlier. He's going to run more tricky plays and screens and stuff to kind of create explosives.

Speaker 7 But later in the games, like I see that again, but he's trying to run the ball, they run the clock. And the defenses are not playing with the same level of aggressiveness.

Speaker 7 And I think Kyle Shanahan's offense gets stagnant and kind of boring when he has a lead. And I think it catches up to him.
And then he's just been traditionally kind of conservative on fourth downs.

Speaker 7 And the funny thing is the greatest criticism of Kyle Shanahan, single play calling criticism, was him being too aggressive in that Falcons game when he was the offensive coordinator and decided to throw in that situation.

Speaker 7 So that turned bad on him. And I think that burned him.
And I think it's in the back of his mind from here on out.

Speaker 7 I'm not doing no damn drop back passes when I have a lead and the game is within reach.

Speaker 11 I want to ask you about the decision-making in overtime. How many coaches, and I know all of the formulas have changed on going forward on fourth down.

Speaker 11 Give me the number of coaches in the league that you believe in that fourth and one situation with his team down by three and in field goal range who are going forward on fourth and one instead of trying to kick the field goal to just tie the game in overtime because the game ends if you don't make it.

Speaker 11 And I say this as someone who always prefers the coach to show confidence in his offensive players to get a single yard.

Speaker 7 You are ahead of the curve on this because I remember like almost a decade ago hearing you talk about like, would I rather be confident or am I more confident in my ability to get one yard or put the defense out there and stop them and all the other things and hit the extra, or excuse me, hit the field goal and then put my defense out there.

Speaker 7 Like I think think getting one yard makes more sense. I wish I could give you an accurate answer, but the times are changing and they still are in flux.

Speaker 7 I think we are moving to a point where the vast majority of the league will go for it. I'm not sure if we're there yet.
I think in that situation, there are a lot of things being weighed.

Speaker 7 But when you're the better team and you're at home and you expect the win, I think. almost 100% of coaches in that situation would go for it.

Speaker 7 If you're the 49ers in that situation and you're on the road and you're dealing with a ton of injuries, or like the Cowboys is a good example when they're playing the Packers, I think the Cowboys were perfectly fine with a tie at that point.

Speaker 7 I think the underdog in those situations and the road team might be more prone to do it, but most of the time, it's like, we can get a yard, especially when the offense is your strength running up the middle.

Speaker 7 That's a little bit predictable, but I still think most coaches would go for it in that situation.

Speaker 11 Give me the names of players you believe to be better defensive players than Fred Warner.

Speaker 7 Better. That's a tough one.
Miles Garrett

Speaker 7 is probably more impactful. And

Speaker 7 the same way Fred Warner is versatile and can impact the pass and run. I think the reason why Fred Warner is so special is linebackers have gotten smaller and Fred Warner is one of those guys.

Speaker 7 And so teams are started to, offensive have started to get bigger linemen and try more aggressive downhill rushing attack in order to like attack the fact that we're getting smaller and the linebackers to be able to cover guys and do and run down outside zone.

Speaker 7 But Fred Warner is someone who is got is a smaller linebacker, but still plays the run with a physicality and aggressiveness.

Speaker 7 So like when we hear people saying we're devaluing running backs, we're devaluing off-the-ball linebackers, not the right ones. The right ones are as worth it as anyone, especially.

Speaker 7 And I think this is

Speaker 7 the reason why Fred Warner exists and is in San Francisco is because Kyle Shanahan and Kyle Shanahan's disciples are

Speaker 7 like intentionally week to week. I think the first thing they look at is what linebacker can we attack? Is he small so we can run at him? They do that.
every week. Is he too big?

Speaker 7 So we're going to put him in isolation and take advantage of him? Yeah. So I think that Kyle Shanahan, when looking for linebackers, him along with John Lynch, they're looking for guys like this.

Speaker 7 And when they find one like Fred Warner, they'll pay him whatever he wants because they know how teams like them look at approaching defenses like theirs.

Speaker 11 You were critical via text at some of our analysis recently when we were talking about the lack of explosive plays in the league, the number of plays that are just check downs or thrown balls at the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 11 And one of the things I was lamenting is just the fear of the turnover. The turnover has become such a valuable thing that people aren't taking risks downfield.
Our analysis you thought was bad.

Speaker 11 What was bad about it?

Speaker 7 I didn't think that your analysis was, your individual analysis was bad.

Speaker 7 I think that generally it's a kind of a thing that's annoyed me for the past few years in football analysis is people talk about how two high safeties have taken away the deep threat.

Speaker 7 And that's just not a true statement. Like that cover two was the second cover coverage ever invented.
Like there are ways to attack the honey holes on the side, deep middle.

Speaker 7 Like you think of those scene passes that Dak Prescott throws all the time down the middle. It's like, those are designed to beat cover two.

Speaker 7 Cover four is, I mean, it's wide open to posts and deep digs. Like there are ways to attack all of these coverages.
You can do a speedo concept, a dagger.

Speaker 7 Like there are tons of ways to attack the concept.

Speaker 7 So I think that if explosive plays are down, and I looked it up, there were 111, I think, last week, explosive plays against too high versus 150 versus single high.

Speaker 7 So it just like kind of feels like wrong analysis that a lot of people have been propagating. And it felt like you guys were kind of doing the same thing, which is not your fault.

Speaker 7 But I think it's important to be clear that if explosive plays are going down, it's not because people are playing with too high safeties. It's for whatever reason.

Speaker 7 It might be the risk aversion to turnovers. It could be protection.
It could be lack of playmakers.

Speaker 7 It could be quarterbacks' inaccuracy. But I think the explosive plays can't really be stopped by.
And like single high, you can play cover two sounds like a better coverage.

Speaker 7 But like single high, you can be playing cover three, which is three guys deep, which you would suggest, you would think means that it's even harder to get

Speaker 7 big plays, but we don't think of cover three the same way we think of cover two.

Speaker 15 Man, where have I been?

Speaker 18 I've never heard honey holes before.

Speaker 9 Is that a spot on the field?

Speaker 18 What other delicious areas of the field are there?

Speaker 7 Um, there's a lot of holes, so like the rat

Speaker 7 we call like a rat coverage, it's because you want someone in the hole.

Speaker 7 The hole is considered like the middle of the field, go on, low middle of the field, but the honey hole is like those sideline spots

Speaker 7 where, yeah, like cover two corners are responsible for the flats, and the deep cover two safeties are deep half and as you can imagine the further you get away from the corner the closer you get to the safety that's where the spot is you want to be able to hold that corner down low with somebody running down there and hold that safety in the middle with someone in the seam and then squeeze it right into that sideline spot it's unable to

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Speaker 7 I mean, I think that's for a late night show.

Speaker 11 Can you tell me who in the league comes the closest to having what Stafford and puka nakua have oh man stafford

Speaker 7 it wasn't on display fully last night but i'm sure that you guys have seen the highlights i think i laughed a few years ago when he won the super bowl and uh dan orlofsky was saying that he's a future hall of famer because he won that super bowl all right let's not get carried away but if he could put another super bowl on his resume the highlights that he puts out there we don't Maybe it's East Coast bias.

Speaker 7 We don't talk about him or celebrate him as much, but he is incredible. What?

Speaker 7 Someone else who has that, like Burroughs injured, I will look at those guys.

Speaker 11 I was saying Goff and St. Brown came the closest to me in terms of having just the timing, but it's not like, it's not like what Nakua and Stafford have.

Speaker 11 And I'm confused by the fact that they've been able to turn Nakua into exactly what Cooper Cup was.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I'm shocked by the ability for, or the season that Puka Nakua is having so far. And I'm not shocked because I don't think that he's good, but it's been incredibly incredibly impressive.

Speaker 7 And I think it's the combination of a bunch of things. We talk about football and all the many variables that could go wrong or go right to make things work out.

Speaker 7 I think it's the combination of Puka's like unique body type and athleticism and the coach and the quarterback and having Devontae Adams on one side. Like all those things come together in them.

Speaker 7 They have probably the most effective rushing attack in football. and a play action scheme genius.
And you can get it to Puka anywhere.

Speaker 7 Like he's, he's not quite tyreek hill but in that way it's like i can screen it to you i can deep pass you i can deep in i can deep out you can run lead block on an iso which then sets up other play actions and matchups against uh linebackers and safeties that are certainly overmatched so i think it's all those things combined it's kind of made this perfect storm for puka to be right now the best receiver in football Dominique, can you clarify or clear up, I guess, a debate we were having earlier this week on the show?

Speaker 9 Now,

Speaker 22 my football career was tragically cut short, so I don't have as much of the respect as someone like you did who played in the NFL.

Speaker 9 And Greg has been covering the NFL for years and years since before

Speaker 18 mergers and all that.

Speaker 9 So he's a historian of the game, but people also somewhat think that he's a kook. And I think you're the perfect person to kind of settle this debate as a former Maryland terrapin here.

Speaker 9 Greg was saying that the helmets used to be made of turtle/slash tortoise shell.

Speaker 17 Dan is disputing that claim.

Speaker 9 Um, I as a former terrapin, can you confirm or deny that there were turtle shell helmets at some point in time?

Speaker 7 I've never heard that there were turtle shell helmets until I was listening to Greg Cody say that. But I mean, I wasn't watching football before the merger like Greg Cody, and I wasn't covering it.

Speaker 7 So maybe, I don't know, the internet also, I think, has no recollection of that.

Speaker 13 Yeah, but there's AI now.

Speaker 9 You go to Google AI and it'll tell you anything you want to know, basically.

Speaker 14 It's honestly like the searching has basically become how can we make you happy?

Speaker 22 It's very like people pleasing.

Speaker 3 It's like, what result do we think you want to hear? That's what we're going to give you.

Speaker 7 Well, yeah, that's that's not what you want out of the source that we go to for all our facts. But I think you're going to like tempt Dan into playing we're all going to die.

Speaker 7 And then we have to talk about the fall of all our great institutions, which is not fun. Let's just talk about punching players.

Speaker 13 Like actually,

Speaker 11 we're going to ask you about that in a second. Put it on the poll, please.
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Speaker 11 And just show Dominique the video that we have, exclusive video of Tyreek Hill on the way to the hospital falling out of the ambulance here. Somebody was following

Speaker 11 the car or the ambulance, and you can see there that he

Speaker 17 criminally underreported.

Speaker 13 That's true.

Speaker 11 You would think this is be all over ESPN. I don't understand why this isn't

Speaker 11 a bigger story.

Speaker 11 Well, probably because he landed softly. Yes, that's probably why it's not a bigger.

Speaker 7 that's unfortunate it is

Speaker 11 it is it is thoughts and prayers it is unfortunate you need your medical team you need to i'd think they would trust him more than that but i guess tyreek hill becomes less valuable when all of a sudden he can't run routes for you so people become careless that way

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Speaker 11 I want to play for you here. You've been following the Pablo Torrey finds out coverage of the Clippers scandal.

Speaker 11 And Ramona Shelburne was on a radio show in Los Angeles, and this back and forth took place. Tell me what your thoughts are here.

Speaker 11 Ramona Shelburne, of course, the ESPN reporter, an exceptional journalist. She's the one who did the interview with Steve Ballmer.

Speaker 11 She's the one who asked some of the toughest questions at Clipper's Media Day. Listen to this.

Speaker 27 And I asked questions. Then I could have kept going, but somebody kind of reached out and grabbed the mic from me.

Speaker 13 Somebody from Clipper PR?

Speaker 27 Yeah, and it was like, okay, you're done now. And then it went to a team reporter, a team TV reporter who asked about being healthy during the offseason.

Speaker 27 And then the next one was like the team radio person. And they asked another question that was more basketball related.
Right.

Speaker 27 Then it got back to, I think, Law Murray from the Athletic, who asked an aspiration question, but it was something about how do you not make it a distraction or something and he gave a whatever kind of answer to that and then he was done it was fluff at the end and then and then it was done and I will say this it's important to note because people are like why are you the only ones asking why were you the only one asking those questions there were five or six other reporters in the room uh Chris Mannix from Sports Illustrated, Beth Harris from the AP, all that were going to go.

Speaker 27 Steve Henson from LA Times, Janice Carr, ONC Register. We had all talked before the press conference, and I said, okay, so we're all going to ask aspiration questions, right?

Speaker 27 Because this is his first public statement.

Speaker 7 Right.

Speaker 27 Like, whoever gets this, like, let's let's tag team, you know, like whatever,

Speaker 27 listen to whatever everybody else asks, and let's make sure we ask. We got to cover all the bases here because this is probably the one and only time he'll address it.

Speaker 27 And they all had their hands raised, and they weren't being called on.

Speaker 11 Chris Manick said that was true.

Speaker 11 He tweeted that, and Pablo Torrey says, quote, five to six other reporters wanted to ask follow-up questions in the one setting where he might ever have to talk about this.

Speaker 11 And it seems like the real question is why they didn't get that chance.

Speaker 7 Yeah,

Speaker 7 I mean,

Speaker 7 journalism, at least in this particular case, seems to be somewhat alive. And the camaraderie of the journalists, the journalists seem like they had a game plan in a way that the Clippers did not.

Speaker 7 What I was surprised by, and I'm sure it's pretty obvious to most people, is how poorly they answered the questions that were asked of them.

Speaker 7 If you're not going to answer any questions, then don't answer the questions.

Speaker 7 But if you are going to answer the questions, I think to relate it back to football in some ways is they're going to challenge you based on what you did poorly the week before.

Speaker 7 If you couldn't stop outside zone last week, you know what you're going to get on the first first down? Outside zone.

Speaker 7 So I'm shocked that the Clippers showed up and did not have a stop for the outside zone.

Speaker 7 And then their move for it was like, we're just going to ignore these people, which kind of to me makes it worse.

Speaker 7 I don't know how they could handle this any more poorly than they have, but seems like they probably are going to find a way to continue doing it but i mean i'm glad that ramona and other reporters stepped up and got together and asked the questions i also think that i'm i'm on nick wright's side like generally i i care about it because it's interesting but i don't really care like getting players extra money knock yourself out let's play the sound first of kawhi leonard's back and forth and then we'll do lawrence frank as well and get both dominique's general reaction to both sounds and ask him who should have been better answering these questions between the two Clipper figures.

Speaker 11 Kawhi first, please.

Speaker 28 What is your understanding of the endorsement deal that you had with the company that's been talked to aspiration and did you perform any services for them?

Speaker 29 When you say understanding, what do you mean?

Speaker 28 Like of the contract you signed and how much money you were to receive, what you were supposed to perform for those services.

Speaker 29 I understand that full contract and the services that I had to do.

Speaker 29 Like I said, I don't deal with the conspiracies or the clickbait

Speaker 29 analysts or journalism that's going on.

Speaker 29 So

Speaker 29 that's what it is.

Speaker 28 I think the allegation was that you didn't perform any services for them.

Speaker 28 Is that accurate or did you?

Speaker 29 I don't think it's accurate, but it's old.

Speaker 29 This is all new to you guys.

Speaker 29 The company went bankrupt a while ago, so we already knew this was going to happen.

Speaker 28 You were named as the largest creditor in the bankruptcy filing, right? Did you actually get the money that was owed to you in the contract?

Speaker 29 No.

Speaker 29 The company went barely up. It was it was frauded, as everybody knows.

Speaker 29 If you want any more questions or more details about that company, you need to ask the owner or whoever else is involved in the fraud that went on.

Speaker 28 Right, I think they said they owed you seven million or something, right?

Speaker 29 I'm not sure. I gotta look back at the books, but no, it's more than that for sure.

Speaker 28 Do you have any idea of how much you actually made on that?

Speaker 29 No,

Speaker 29 it was like two, three, four years ago.

Speaker 11 His game plan was to say this is old news or fake news, and this is Lawrence Frank. He's the president of the Clippers.

Speaker 11 He was just as bad.

Speaker 28 Which was, has Dennis Robertson, Kawhi's uncle, ever asked for any extra benefits that wouldn't be allowable under the NBA settler cap directly to you? There's been a lot coming out about his asks.

Speaker 3 Yeah, look, Dennis knows the rules, Kawhi knows the rules, Mitch Frankel knows the rules and we know the rules

Speaker 28 is that a yes or another

Speaker 3 yes we all know the rules

Speaker 7 what are your thoughts there dominique well to your question i think i would expect lawrence frank to be more prepared for that and his answer was even worse than kawhi's which i felt like wasn't very good either like kawaii i don't handle those things that is i hire people to take care of that for me if you want to talk about a pin pin down, ISO, how I get to my spot on the ISO or on the elbow, then that's, that's fine.

Speaker 7 How great I am at defense, my knee health. If you want to talk about those things, those are things that I'm intimately involved in.
These other things are not.

Speaker 7 You should talk to someone else, the general manager or someone about that. So would you like to talk about the prospects for this season for me and the team?

Speaker 7 And for Lawrence Frank, the idea that he thinks that the right answer is to say that I know the rules and then not respond directly to the question. It just makes it worse.

Speaker 7 Like his answer is: all this stuff is under investigation right now. I wish that I could give you more information.
I'm learning of some of these things right along with you.

Speaker 7 Would you like to talk about this season coming forward and answer every question about aspiration just like that? I don't get how that's so hard.

Speaker 11 Yeah, it's not actually. I'm going to get to Cam Schlittler in a second, a very unfortunate name for that guy for a number of reasons, by the way.

Speaker 13 It's Schlittler.

Speaker 11 You know, that's complicated because of the shit, because of the Hitler, and right in the middle of it, an L, which a pitcher never wants anywhere near his name.

Speaker 11 But yesterday, Schlittler ends up with double-digit strikeouts. He's never done that at any level of baseball.
At single A or double A, triple A. It's never happened before.
He's in his 85th day.

Speaker 11 He's a rookie, and Jeremy has top five unfortunate names anywhere in baseball or just all of sports.

Speaker 16 Just in sports generally.

Speaker 16 Schlittler was so good yesterday, but it's almost impossible to be that good with that name.

Speaker 13 So OLI, Danny Woodhead.

Speaker 11 The tabloids did the headline today. Holy Schlit.

Speaker 16 Well, that's really good. But Wood and Head together, not great.

Speaker 16 Dylan, number five, Dylan Bundy. I don't know of a lot of Bundies other than Ted.
That's the main one that comes to mind.

Speaker 7 I mean, Al.

Speaker 16 Number four,

Speaker 16 Randy the Big Unit Johnson, which Ian Carmel has pointed out means horny the big penis penis.

Speaker 13 Number three,

Speaker 1 why are these bad names?

Speaker 13 Ha ha, Clinton Dix.

Speaker 16 I mean, Clinton Dix is.

Speaker 15 No one wants any laughter around that.

Speaker 16 Yeah, it's just, you know, it's unfortunate.

Speaker 16 James, don't call me Jim Jones.

Speaker 16 And number one, Cam Schlittler.

Speaker 11 What are your thoughts on that list, Dominique?

Speaker 7 I mean, there are a couple names in there that were bad, but I feel like the majority of those names were pretty awesome. Like, ha-hai, Clinton Dix.
Great.

Speaker 16 Awesome name. Also slightly unfortunate.
I'm not saying they're bad names.

Speaker 24 I'm saying they're unfortunate names. Well, it's really like

Speaker 7 you put them in community with Schlittler. Like,

Speaker 7 we just, Dan just laid out all the reasons why Schlittler is a problem, but I mean.

Speaker 15 I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 17 I have no idea.

Speaker 15 Why is James Johnson in there?

Speaker 16 James Jones, Jim Jones.

Speaker 19 Yeah, but you turned into Kool-Aid.

Speaker 13 Chris Berman at the end there.

Speaker 21 You're like, James, don't call me Jim Jones.

Speaker 13 I felt like I was watching. James Jones, Jim Jones.
What do you want?

Speaker 17 Did turn into a sports center anchor.

Speaker 16 Who I am at my core, guys.

Speaker 16 What I was meant to do, and instead I'm here.

Speaker 13 Whoa.

Speaker 15 Major penalty five-minute sprooming comedy.

Speaker 4 James, don't call me Jim Jones.

Speaker 9 You know, you try.

Speaker 4 You just put in an effort. Sometimes don't try.

Speaker 16 And then you get accused of Botox.

Speaker 19 I know that this shouldn't have surprised me.

Speaker 9 And it was news that we expected, right?

Speaker 18 Because we saw the news that ESPN wasn't going to be doing baseball anymore after this season. They were losing the baseball rates, right?

Speaker 22 But when it came out a couple days ago that the home run derby is going to be on Netflix next season,

Speaker 9 I felt so weird seeing that because Berman hasn't done the home run derby in years, but that's just one of those things that's going to feel weird.

Speaker 15 That's the line for you on streaming. We've reached your line.

Speaker 14 Yeah, home run Derby on Netflix is kind of like, I don't know about this, guys.

Speaker 7 No, no, no.

Speaker 7 That's the type of thing. No, I mean, that's the type of thing that should be on Netflix.

Speaker 7 I agree with you that it feels weird, but like, that's the type of event that you should put on Netflix that you can make it weirder and less connected to like real sports and more fun.

Speaker 7 I think that, the dunk contest, all those things, put them on Netflix, make them fun and crazy because I don't know. I feel like those are not the things that I'm trying to watch normally, right?

Speaker 3 I guess I'm just trying to figure out, like, how is Netflix gonna force like Harry from too hot to handle onto the home run derby coverage? And am I gonna be bothered?

Speaker 17 But we're already here with, like, football games.

Speaker 15 Like, the football game being on Netflix didn't do it for you.

Speaker 16 Like, this is what, like, this is just...

Speaker 4 Honestly, can I tell you something?

Speaker 9 And Dominique, you may like disagree with this.

Speaker 3 I don't really care what channel football games are on. Like, I'll find the game and I'll watch it and I don't know the difference a lot of the time.

Speaker 3 And especially like Netflix, where they just go and get people from every other network anyways, it's hard for me to know once I'm like two quarters into the game, like to remember where I'm watching it and really care about it.

Speaker 11 I had a hard time because of I changed cable systems. I had a hard time the other day finding the NFL network for that Sunday morning 9.30 game.

Speaker 11 Like I was, I did not enjoy the process of trying to locate it just because, you know, I changed cable systems and not all the cable systems have NFL network.

Speaker 7 So what's your new? So I eventually like I gave up and switched over. Well, I don't make commercials for anybody, but like there's some that are more efficient than others.

Speaker 7 Like I don't really have those problems anymore. There was a stretch there where I couldn't find anything and I was confused like an old man.
And then I got some YouTube TV and I can figure it out.

Speaker 7 It's like the apps are pretty obvious.

Speaker 13 Yeah, like

Speaker 3 Mike Cable doesn't have numbers for channels.

Speaker 21 Like it's not like channel 400 and this.

Speaker 3 It's just this is the network that I want. I'll just like find it alphabetically.

Speaker 11 I'm going to keep this conversation going with Michelle Beadle in a second.

Speaker 11 But during the game yesterday, McMahon, the Yankee third baseman, flipped over the dugout catching a foul ball, flipped into the Red Sox dugout, like just really, hands on the floor, legs over his head, and only one Red Sox helped him.

Speaker 11 All of the other Red Sox scattered because you don't help the opponent.

Speaker 11 What is your thought there as a decent and kind human being, but also a competitor on what you should be doing if you're the opponent there?

Speaker 7 Well, he's he's going over to the top to get an out, right?

Speaker 13 Yes.

Speaker 7 Man, man, better figure it out. Learn, figure it out for yourself.
In the playoffs? Playoffs? Yeah, you got, I can't help you. Sorry.

Speaker 15 I always think about this when in football, when guys are like running uncontrollably towards the sideline, like on their own sideline, someone will jump in to try to stop them.

Speaker 15 Is there like unwritten rules with that? Like if it's another, if it's an opposing player, do you let them just run into the bench? If it's your guy, you try to stop him. What's how does that go?

Speaker 7 It's you're protecting yourself most of the time, honestly. Like, if you grab them, it's better for you than it is for them.
There aren't really no rules about that. You come into games normally.

Speaker 7 It's like, yeah, everybody wants to be healthy.

Speaker 7 If you do something in the course of that game or something before that game and we know about it, then there's some different rules about how you treat a particular player.

Speaker 7 Not normally a whole team, but there are really no rules about that. We all want to be healthy and safe.

Speaker 7 The thing about football, though, is it's not like these other sports where you actually do get to hit each other. So we're not looking for opportunities to take out some anger or mistreat someone.

Speaker 7 You're just like, all right, cool. One whole nother play where I can come and punch you in the ribs.

Speaker 15 Why are these sidelines so slippery?

Speaker 15 It seems like anytime they're trying to stop on the sideline, it's like slick.

Speaker 19 I feel like that's just a dangerous thing.

Speaker 7 I think that might be an old thing. I don't think we have that anymore.
Okay. Like, put these tarps down now and then.

Speaker 9 No, before the game, they have to hose them down so that it's slippery.

Speaker 11 See you later, Dominique. The Dominique Foxworth Show with Charlie Kravitz.
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Speaker 11 wherever it is you find your podcast. See you later, Dominique.
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Speaker 8 Hey, Mike.

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