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Speaker 18 It's a podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebatard podcast.

Speaker 21 I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.

Speaker 18 In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging.

Speaker 26 I have been tempted in restaurants restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's prize that if they're just there.

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Speaker 24 Let's play for Dominique Foxworth. Some sound here of a Chiefs fan ripping Josh Allen.

Speaker 29 Always funny when old people rip athletes, I feel like.

Speaker 14 Buffalo defense.

Speaker 30 Man, hit Josh Allen in the nets. Coming into the.

Speaker 30 Chicken ship. You're in out of bounds.

Speaker 15 60-yard boot.

Speaker 22 Deck his ass.

Speaker 21 Hell yeah. Chicken shit.

Speaker 2 Buns up in the nuts, if you got any.

Speaker 15 She knows ball.

Speaker 27 And balls, yes.

Speaker 32 Drake May appears to have taken the top of the division.

Speaker 28 Did you hear from anybody, Dominique, before the season?

Speaker 11 You told us the Colts were going to be good.

Speaker 24 Did you hear from anybody before the season that would have predicted 11 games in that the Patriots would have the best record in the sport?

Speaker 37 Absolutely not. I think we thought the O-line would take more time to come together.
And we thought Drake May was a good quarterback, but not develop into the guy that he is now.

Speaker 37 And the defense still, as good as it's played, they still have some shortcomings. They give up big plays.

Speaker 37 every now and then a little bit more often than you would like, but Mike Frabel's done something special there really quickly.

Speaker 37 And I know that you're going to call me out for just when you can't explain something, say the coaching just did it, but I can't explain it. So I guess maybe it's the coaches.

Speaker 37 The only thing that we don't understand fully.

Speaker 26 Dominique, is it possible to build chemistry with someone by watching them on TV when you were in middle school?

Speaker 37 I missed something. Obviously, I missed something.
I haven't listened to that.

Speaker 24 Drake May was asked when he started trusting Stephon Diggs, and he said when he started watching him when he was 13 in middle school.

Speaker 37 Yeah. I mean, I was going to say hell no, but I guess in that case, I was like you, Dan.
I had to sound off last night. Is that something they said in the broadcast or something?

Speaker 19 Post-game interview.

Speaker 28 It's something Drake was saying.

Speaker 24 We pulled the Kentucky fraud chickens on him because we don't, Tony said correctly that trust is a two-way street.

Speaker 37 It's not when you want somebody to get open. So like, I feel like in that case, trusting the receiver is about knowing that he's going to be open and knowing he's going to catch the ball.

Speaker 37 It's definitely, don't you have any athletes that you trust? Do you not trust Patrick Mahomes? Never met him. Trust him at the end of a game.
You don't ask Patrick Mahomes. I mean, I wouldn't ask.

Speaker 16 You just literally made my point, Dominique. I don't know Patrick Mahomes, but I trust him.

Speaker 2 Drake May, who's 13 years old, not a two-way street.

Speaker 16 Okay, but my point is this. The two-way street is later.
You were here in the segment. I already explained it.

Speaker 2 So, not you, Dominique. Hold on a second.

Speaker 16 So, Drake May in middle school is watching Stephon Diggs get open on everybody, right?

Speaker 16 She trusts him from that angle of like, oh, if I know one thing, Stephon's going to get open if he's running a 15-yard out right now the second part of the trust is stephon diggs meets drake may i trust that drake may from throwing me the ball in practice now the trust is a two-way street i trust him now

Speaker 37 trust that he's not going to throw me into getting hit or anything exactly i so i feel like

Speaker 37 is Tony the only one who believes that this is possible? Because I

Speaker 37 got to be honest, Tony. I love you.
Don't like my company. I don't like if everybody else in the everyone else in there, Amin and Dan and Chris and Mike and everyone else.

Speaker 41 Towards all cowards cowards.

Speaker 16 I don't want to speak up, is what it is.

Speaker 37 This is nonsense. I think you're right.
I agree with you. But I'm going to have to rethink it before I fully commit.
We got to win some other people over.

Speaker 37 I mean, I think it's a responsible thing to do.

Speaker 40 Dominique, are the Packers unserious or are they just too hurt?

Speaker 37 Unserious. Unfortunately, I think the answer is that they are currently an unserious outfit because it's not one thing.

Speaker 37 Like, if it was just they're too hurt at the offensive line and that was the problem, that's one thing. They're just too hurt at the receivers and that was the problem, that's another thing.

Speaker 37 They're having pre-snap penalties on big important downs and their quarterback occasionally throws back across his body into the chest of a defender it's just a bunch of different things and that's the part that makes them feel unserious like it feels better when there's one thing you can point to like this is when this guy comes back or if we can correct this thing part of their problem and i guess it could give you some optimism if you are a Packers fan is like we can put all these things to the side.

Speaker 37 But their problem is I don't know exactly how to fix what's wrong with them because every game or even in the course of the Eagles game there are a number of different problems and they were all different throughout the course of the game on offense.

Speaker 40 But you don't think they win that game if Jaden Reed is simply out there? Because that is a huge absence for them.

Speaker 40 When anything breaks down, when Love needs to make a play, he looks for Jaden Reed and he's been out since week two.

Speaker 37 Yeah, I'm sure that that would help. But I mean, they lost to the Panthers and they lost to the Browns also.

Speaker 37 So like, that's part of the problem for me is it's not just, I think we can get away with small sample size explaining away a bad performance for a lot of teams in this league, but the sample size isn't that small for their offense underachieving and like games they should play better.

Speaker 37 And like, I would be fine if this Eagles game popped up if we didn't have those other games to point back to and say, yeah, their offense is kind of inconsistent and doesn't show up when they need them most.

Speaker 24 You mentioned pre-snap penalties, and I was railing about this earlier in the week in the way that Tom Coughlin might, but I really want an answer from you on this.

Speaker 27 If my team is at home, given the military complex of the week of preparation that is football, if I'm playing at home, is it my reasonable right as a coach to believe that the entirety of the season, not a single one of my players will ever false start at home when they come out of the huddle because they've been told what the snap count is and they should know the snap count?

Speaker 37 This is absolutely unreasonable. I heard you doing this rant earlier and I get where you come from, but it's spoken by like someone who never put their hand in the dirt.
Uh-oh.

Speaker 37 Like you got to put your hand in the dirt. Can you imagine the number of things a day and you of all people I think you appreciate the intelligence that it requires to play this game.

Speaker 29 None of the other things do I have to remember if I don't remember the first thing.

Speaker 20 Like if I don't if I get the first thing wrong all the other things I have to remember become irrelevant.

Speaker 46 I feel there there must be offensive linemen throughout the sport who have never had a false start penalty, who have had 10-year careers without having a false start.

Speaker 24 There must be.

Speaker 37 Possibly, maybe. I strongly doubt that there's a starting offensive lineman that's had a 10-year career and never jumped off sides.
But I think you're right.

Speaker 37 And part of the problem, or part of the reason why it happens, is because it's so obvious and so easy. And it's so like running the mill.

Speaker 37 It's not the thing that you're thinking about when you approach the line and you see a super athlete trying to rush you, and there's a motion that you have to be aware of, and you got to check the protection.

Speaker 37 The defense is shifting. And in your mind, this is the biggest third down of the game.
It might tilt the balance of your career and you're in a contract here

Speaker 37 then you move and it's like I don't understand how you don't see how this is possible that you could overlook something so obvious because the ha-hut is to fool them they told me in the huddle what that was they told me but Dan you put your hand in the dirt though that's the issue you're having

Speaker 22 a piece of paper

Speaker 37 can we get can we get just like a small like mason jar of dirt so dan can stick his hand in it and see if he feels the same about this BS ass take where after he does you just got a feel of dirt it'll It'll help you understand.

Speaker 16 You've never seen Miles Garrett on the other side.

Speaker 47 Did you get an offsides penalty the entirety of your career?

Speaker 45 Were you playing bump and run?

Speaker 48 Did you ever jump off sides?

Speaker 37 No, like it's impossible for me to jump off sides.

Speaker 26 I'd be impressed.

Speaker 37 Yeah, I would blitz every occasion from the corner spot, but I would wait and react or from the nickel or something like that. And even in high school, in college, I never really jumped on sides.

Speaker 37 Did I have other stupid penalties on occasion? Yeah, those things happen because you're thinking about a hundred other things.

Speaker 19 I can't find anything on pre-snap penalties, but Zach Martin retired never having held

Speaker 19 over 6,600 snaps.

Speaker 48 A corner jumping offside is especially dog.

Speaker 15 That would be amazing.

Speaker 2 I'd love to see that.

Speaker 37 I mean, the quick jam, like that could potentially happen if you're doing a quick jam, but it's, I mean, that's really ugly.

Speaker 26 Think about the quarterback's cadence for him to get the cornerback.

Speaker 22 What happened offside?

Speaker 2 God damn.

Speaker 45 So if it happened to somebody, what you would say?

Speaker 31 Well, he was thinking about so many other things.

Speaker 43 He's got so many other responsibilities that he has to be thinking of.

Speaker 37 Dan, you never forget to unload the dishwasher? You never forgot to do something around the house that is obviously insane.

Speaker 49 Not damn. Not damn.

Speaker 37 Dev never made a mistake. He never forget anything.
It's a steel trick.

Speaker 30 It's not a mistake.

Speaker 22 They told me in the huddle when we were going. They told me.

Speaker 50 I told you to do the show.

Speaker 37 I listened to this show for decades. You messed up your own name one time, Dan.

Speaker 14 Shut the hell up.

Speaker 37 Like, your brain is not so much better than everyone else's. I understand how ridiculous it is, but it doesn't happen that often.

Speaker 37 There's not a ton of false starts because the hard count got guys, but occasionally it's going to happen.

Speaker 29 I don't think I messed up my own name. When did I mess up my name?

Speaker 2 If you hadn't been, if you hadn't.

Speaker 37 Hey, Dan, the fact that you can't remember it, case in point.

Speaker 37 Steel trap? Nah,

Speaker 37 that is a wood trap you got up there now, man.

Speaker 29 Mike Ryan, Mike Ryan is always criticizing various forms of my text behavior.

Speaker 33 Why did he include you on a group text with 30 people you do not know?

Speaker 37 I love it. Mike is such a good guy.
I was talking about tennis and he has a tennis group chat. And so I got it a tennis group chat and I want to engage.
Like, I don't want to be a bad texter.

Speaker 37 I've been working on getting better at it. However, I don't know nobody, so I don't know how to act.

Speaker 37 Like, oh, yeah. I'll say, it's you.
It's like three people in there that I know. And so I got jokes that I want to say.
Like, I don't know if I get it.

Speaker 37 It's just a bunch of, you know, the phone numbers come up. It's a bunch of strangers from all over the country talking about tennis.
And I can't really fully engage because.

Speaker 37 I don't know who these people are.

Speaker 37 I don't want them to think I'm crazy because what I would say, if it was just me, Mike and Amin would be very different than what I would say, depending on who's in the chat.

Speaker 26 Dominique, I'll back you up on this one because I think John Isner is in it. And I made some sort of like the Hell with Georgia remark.
And I don't think he took it well.

Speaker 15 I was like, no, I thought they were all like telling each other.

Speaker 37 Exactly. Exactly.
I didn't know John Isner was in there. Now I'm definitely not going to share my bullshit tennis opinions with a professional tennis player.
I don't know anything.

Speaker 15 So you don't know how to act here?

Speaker 32 Amin is acting the way that he always acts, but you simply don't know how to act.

Speaker 26 I had to pull back because I thought I could act the way I always act. And then like, I didn't get a warm response.
It's like, oh, okay.

Speaker 50 You know what? That's the part of it.

Speaker 37 I also, yeah, I don't know. I don't want to get into that situation because I had a couple of jokes pop up.
and then there are some people who are freewheeling.

Speaker 37 They send some things that they feel confident about and I'm like, can I like this?

Speaker 37 I want them to know that this is safe, but I also don't want anybody else to think I'm on this team if this is the wrong place.

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Speaker 52 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 28 Who is the comedian?

Speaker 53 Is it James Mulvaney? How do you pronounce his?

Speaker 54 John Mulaney?

Speaker 28 There you go. Thank you.
John Mulaney.

Speaker 51 $20.

Speaker 53 Yeah, that's a bad find.

Speaker 51 Wow.

Speaker 43 Everybody started shaking their head.

Speaker 54 I mean, he's arguably the most popular comedian right now.

Speaker 51 James Mulvaney.

Speaker 52 Stugats.

Speaker 51 Put it on the poll, Guernall. Is

Speaker 51 it

Speaker 23 John Mulvaney the most popular columnist at Lebatar?

Speaker 51 Oh, my God, comedian, Dan.

Speaker 54 Jesus, get it together.

Speaker 53 Excuse me, comedian. My bad.

Speaker 52 This is the Don Lebatar show with the Stugats.

Speaker 24 Amin was right earlier in the show when I was saying I don't expect Patriots' regression from Drake May.

Speaker 33 And he's saying, Well, what carryover is there from you thinking this organization has been good for 20 years?

Speaker 33 And what I'm waving around is that, you know, per Doug Clausen, year two quarterbacks with 200-plus passing yards in each of the first 11 games of a season.

Speaker 28 The list is 2018, Patrick Mahomes, MVP, 1984 Dan Marino, MVP, 225,

Speaker 24 2025, Drake May. Like, that's the list of people.

Speaker 37 Oh, did you just mess up a year? How could you mess up the year? It's the year that we're in right now.

Speaker 49 He didn't forget it.

Speaker 26 He just, he merely misspoke. But, Dominique, I guess my point was: Dan was saying, we're not going to see any regression from Drake May.
And I said, well, what proof is that?

Speaker 26 He's like, well, because the organization, I said, Dan, most of the people working there weren't there from when they were dominant previously.

Speaker 26 I mean, there's a couple of people who are in the middle of the year.

Speaker 15 not just the organization.

Speaker 11 Also year two quarterbacks don't have this kind of pocket presence.

Speaker 26 He's great. I'm just saying this game has a way of figuring people out of bringing it back down to earth.

Speaker 26 I remember there's a point where you guys were swooting over Justin Herbert and yeah, he's still great, but it's not like what you were talking about in his first and second year.

Speaker 26 And so Dominique, is it possible that like

Speaker 26 can you unequivocally, not unequivocally, but can you confidently say, no, it's smooth sailing from here on?

Speaker 36 I think the Patriots are going to be good offensively for 10 years if he doesn't get hurt.

Speaker 37 Yeah, I mean, I think that you guys are saying two different things.

Speaker 37 I think that what you can say about the Patriots for the rest of Drake May's healthy career, you can probably pretty confidently say they're going to be pretty good.

Speaker 37 But, I mean, those names that you mentioned, Patrick Mahomes stands out. Like, he's had some years in that offense just as recent as last year.

Speaker 37 And part of this year have had some pretty rough runs right there. So I think, is he going to be this level of quarterback all the time? Of course not.

Speaker 37 He's going to have some years where things don't work out the way that he plans, be it injuries or his own like decision making. Things will change.

Speaker 37 But I think it's pretty fair to say that he's going to be one of the best quarterbacks in the league for years to come. The Patriots are safe there.

Speaker 26 So C.J. Stroud type thing is never going to happen to him?

Speaker 37 I mean, I would say that the thing that's happened to C.J. Stroud is part C.J.
Stroud, but mostly they won't protect my man. And so I think if you put C.J.

Speaker 37 Stroud in a slightly better situation and his receivers can stay healthy, I think C.J. Stroud, you see it.
And to be honest, C.J.

Speaker 37 Stroud's first year, we were raving about how impressive he was because it was relative to our expectations for him. Like if you go back and look at the stats from that season,

Speaker 37 it wasn't all that great. Like it was good.
And he was attacking deep downfield. He was playing in a way that we didn't expect.

Speaker 37 And we were like projecting he's going to be one of the best quarterbacks in the league based on what we were seeing.

Speaker 37 But in that year, I think he, yeah, I think his QBR was like in the 60s or yeah, like the 60s or high 50s. It wasn't like he was in the 80s balling out the way Drake May is right now.

Speaker 40 The Giants seem to have a young quarterback at a desirable contract and they have young skill guys that are hurt.

Speaker 10 But what do you do with that head coach vacancy if you're the New York Giants?

Speaker 37 I mean, I think the obvious trap is to go try to find the best offensive mind, and we underappreciate the minds of defensive coaches.

Speaker 37 I think you can see a lot of the best head coaches in football right now came from the defensive side of the ball. Of course, there's some good offensive coaches also.

Speaker 37 But I think given the last several years, 10 years or so of Giants football has kind of been disjointed and like unorganized, I think they need to hire somebody who can kind of get the whole organization in alignment, which is weird because they kept Joe Shane, who he's not incentivized to hire somebody who has the track record or the power or the know-how to take over an entire organization because he's the general manager.

Speaker 37 He doesn't want to give up any of that power. So there's some complications there with the ownership group that might make it more difficult.

Speaker 37 But I don't think that they should focus on a hire that's only for the quarterback.

Speaker 26 Dominique, Dart has been in concussion protocol four times already. He's diagnosed with one against the Bears, but he's been protocol four times.

Speaker 26 How would you, if you were the Giants, protect him for the rest of the season? Because the last thing we want is another tool on our hands.

Speaker 37 Yeah, I think that he obviously needs to protect himself. And I think implicit in your question is like, would you sit him out or would you play him?

Speaker 37 It's like, no, I think I would definitely play him. He needs the reps.
He He needs to learn. And these are lower stakes situations.

Speaker 37 And I think that's part of what he needs to understand is in the course of a game, if it's first and 10 in the second quarter, we don't need like Super Bowl John Elway helicopter dives.

Speaker 37 And I understand he thinks he's bringing, or he is bringing some energy to this team and setting the tempo. And you'll see Patrick Mahomes do stuff like this at times too.

Speaker 37 But I think he needs this experience to understand. Even in that game, we saw Caleb had a bunch of, a few big runs.
Early in the game, he slides.

Speaker 37 Later in the game He's diving for the goal line like I think understanding the situation is more important for him and you're not gonna be able to demonstrate that unless you get him out on the field I have yet to locate Dan screwing up his old name his own name, but I did find multiple examples of him screwing up other names.

Speaker 19 We start with John Mulaney.

Speaker 28 Who is the comedian?

Speaker 53 Is it James Mulvaney?

Speaker 49 Ah, COVID.

Speaker 2 Dominique.

Speaker 38 Go ahead, Dan.

Speaker 15 No, I just want to defend yourself, Dan?

Speaker 25 Not defend myself, that sentence represents me looking in the mirror and recognizing in the middle of the pandemic, I've descended into old age.

Speaker 53 Is it James Mulvaney?

Speaker 25 It's the moment that I put the tombstone on, that's where it is that I got old.

Speaker 15 It wasn't.

Speaker 40 Yeah, it wasn't James Mulvaney. In your defense, you were just asking the question.

Speaker 37 Didn't you like mess his name up like three more times in that same little block?

Speaker 37 I think Chris was taking it easily. If I remember correctly, you couldn't get it at all.

Speaker 37 You needed Mike to come in and save you.

Speaker 16 We've got a bunch of big games here on the slate for Sunday.

Speaker 46 Four big games.

Speaker 16 Dominique, which big game is the biggest of the big games?

Speaker 37 Oh, is that that's a Zazzlo, right? We get a big game.

Speaker 37 Tell that man to get some clothes. Show his wife some respect.
Don't tell me that.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm trying to tell him.

Speaker 37 And a wrestling shirt, man.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm trying to tell him.

Speaker 16 He needs to go like the ones that we had, like the knit shirt with some linen pants.

Speaker 37 It was a little sexy.

Speaker 26 You do not want to see Zazzlo in a knit shirt.

Speaker 37 i want tony to dress zazzlo i do i want to do this the problem with that is or i think zazzlo what he doesn't understand is he's created such a low expectation that he would kill if he just popped out one night people like me and tony that's fly all the time like i don't get no extra points when i fly my wife is just like yeah you're supposed to be fly that's how you are but zaz has created such a low bar all that man gotta do is put on a button just one button get you a polo with one damn button and she gonna be like oh my gosh she gonna do the special thing that she loves ass but anyway the rams uh and the seahawks that's the game to me like that seems like those are the best two teams in the nfc right now and two of the teams that seem to have the fewest weaknesses of anybody in nfl i think when you look at their track record one of the problems with a lot of the teams in football right now is they don't have a lot of great really impressive wins and that's in part because there aren't a lot of great teams to beat.

Speaker 37 But whoever played, whoever wins that game, and it's another test for Sam Darnold, who he had a couple bad games against the Rams in recent history,

Speaker 37 and a couple bad games in bid situations. So, we're going to be looking forward to seeing how he performs in that game.
So, yeah, that's the biggest of the bigs to me.

Speaker 19 Dan screws up the bear, Chris Falica.

Speaker 24 Chris Falica.

Speaker 49 Oh,

Speaker 37 oh, it was penis-related, too.

Speaker 49 Oh,

Speaker 26 he's in the tennis set.

Speaker 28 You said about a month ago, before I heard anyone else saying it, that Smith and Jigba is the best receiver in the sport.

Speaker 24 And then I look up every time

Speaker 24 in the second quarter and it's four catches for 82 yards.

Speaker 33 Everyone knows the ball's going to him and no one can stop it.

Speaker 25 It feels like Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 37 No, he feels, it's funny because nothing about

Speaker 37 his play, excuse me, jumps out the way that you see Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 37 But then if you watch him very closely, you'll see the nuances in his route running and you see the way that he finds the holes and zones. He's kind of a technician in that way.

Speaker 37 But he's still what shocks me is without having explosive like crazy, crazy speed, he is the best deep ball player in football so far this year. And I think we get enamored.

Speaker 37 I'm a sucker for this, especially around draft time, is with the numbers, like the big numbers, guys who run fast, guys who are really tall and who look good in their uniform and have put up ridiculous stats in college.

Speaker 37 And forget that there's so many other things about the game that I think can work out. And you get in a good situation like he's in with that quarterback Sam Darner right now.

Speaker 37 He's, to me, at least right now, the best receiver.

Speaker 32 What you're saying there, does it have any precedent for you guys when you think off the top of your head, oh, Beg, best deep threat in the sport, not that fast.

Speaker 26 Jerry Rice.

Speaker 25 Not that fast.

Speaker 46 Like, that's it.

Speaker 32 Jerry Rice is a decent.

Speaker 46 Jerry Rice is absolutely a great example.

Speaker 16 I would say Mike Evans, too, good deep threat, not that fast.

Speaker 37 Yeah. I mean, I don't want to make it seem like he's slow.
It's just like when you think of the deep threat, you think of somebody like Xavier Worthy, right?

Speaker 37 Who's like setting records flying back, Rashid Shaheed, who they just grabbed on the Seahawks also. Like those guys that are just running past people.
But yeah.

Speaker 45 See, Jerry Rice doesn't.

Speaker 25 Jerry Rice, while obviously no question, great.

Speaker 28 Everyone says best receiver ever. It's a consensus thing.

Speaker 23 It's not, let's throw him the Randy Moss deep balls.

Speaker 43 Like Randy Moss was faster than everyone else. Tyreek Hill is faster than everyone else.

Speaker 41 You can't be the best deep ball, like, not to my way of thinking.

Speaker 20 You cannot be the best deep ball threat in that league unless you're faster than the corners.

Speaker 37 I watched the games with Randy Moss two weeks ago, and I was nervous the whole time. We were,

Speaker 37 no, I mean, I dropped the name.

Speaker 14 Look, get me the road.

Speaker 2 I don't like that. Whoa, a main third.

Speaker 15 A main third. I don't care.

Speaker 2 I don't like that.

Speaker 37 I thought we discussed it. I thought we discussed it.

Speaker 39 I thought so, too.

Speaker 37 I thought we discussed it.

Speaker 37 I thought we erased this from the soundboard.

Speaker 26 By the way, I had a suggestion that they erase the whole soundboard for Dan and just leave him like

Speaker 26 just the penalties. And that's it.

Speaker 25 I don't know why I mean press that.

Speaker 49 Wow.

Speaker 14 What a cool.

Speaker 26 By the way, let me say something. Do you guys know what Dan did? Because we've been attacking him about his memory and ability to remember names and stuff.
He said, you know what?

Speaker 26 I'm not going to say JSN. I'm going to say the whole damn name.

Speaker 19 He just said the last name, which was a choice. Wild.

Speaker 26 That was, no, it's a flex.

Speaker 25 You You know that Jackson doesn't spell it CK?

Speaker 15 You know, he spells it with an X.

Speaker 2 That's cool as hell, right?

Speaker 15 It's cool as hell.

Speaker 26 Like Xenopobe. You sell the X, all of a sudden, it's a cool word now.

Speaker 19 We move on to Dan screwing up the names Lou Williams and Montrez Harrell.

Speaker 45 What you're doing at Taffair is you keep mentioning Lou Harris and

Speaker 38 Lou Williams and Montrell Harris.

Speaker 47 You keep mentioning

Speaker 38 Harrell, excuse me.

Speaker 20 Mike's still not my name that you got me getting wrong there.

Speaker 38 You got me getting an assortment of names wrong, not my own name.

Speaker 26 Montelle Jordan?

Speaker 37 It's not their snap count, it's the quarterback snap count. Like, what difference does it make?

Speaker 37 The same way, the first thing you hear when you're leaving the huddle, and the last thing you hear when leaving the huddle is the snap count, when you're looking at that sheet of people that you're talking about, the name, like, that's the one.

Speaker 37 The point, the reason why I chose names because it's so obvious that you assume that you won't mess it up. I don't, I mean, let's get off my guy's back, Dan.

Speaker 19 Move on to Dan trying to say Georgia Tech yellow jackets. I mean,

Speaker 29 golden state, uh, golden state, uh,

Speaker 27 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets.

Speaker 20 Have you begun yet buying gifts?

Speaker 39 Have you started?

Speaker 18 What transition? What is the correct time? Yes, I'd like to transition out of

Speaker 45 you burying me in a library filled with my mistakes.

Speaker 22 Yes, I'd like to transition out of that.

Speaker 14 Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 37 That one was recent, so it should be fresh in your mind. I would like you to explain to us what

Speaker 37 the hell was happening. Yellow Golden State jackets? What is that?

Speaker 26 Yeah. That's our new name.

Speaker 51 We were talking about

Speaker 29 Golden State.

Speaker 27 Gold Georgia Tech yellow jacket.

Speaker 19 The second Golden State is him mocking himself. He mocks himself for saying Golden State.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 50 Okay.

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Speaker 52 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 37 I took my son to the barbershop to get a haircut, and my man gave out some limp dap.

Speaker 48 Oh, no.

Speaker 48 Damn, damn, damn.

Speaker 24 Stugats.

Speaker 37 I disowned him. I threw him right under the bus.

Speaker 15 I was like, whose kid is that out here dishing out limp dap?

Speaker 52 This is the Don Lebatar show with his two guards.

Speaker 37 Dane, I am not a good gift giver or gift buyer. Unfortunately, my wife takes care of all those things and I only have to buy one gift for her.

Speaker 37 And I've already started thinking about it for Christmas as it comes up. And I'm terrible at it.
I don't know if you guys got suggestions. If you know what to do, it's like,

Speaker 37 you don't get the credit, I feel like that for buying an expensive gift it's like nice you get expensive gifts but it you're supposed to get something really thoughtful and i just suck it i'm not that thoughtful i'm selfish it's a lot it's a lot of pressure right to have to you seem like a good gift giver dan you seem like you are a good gift giver i try to get gifts yes that know my wife that are not what are you proud of

Speaker 25 what am i proud of what that i'm putting together this year

Speaker 37 no not this year just like over the course of like your entire it doesn't even have to be this relationship all the relationships I'm honestly, I'm trying to cheat and steal one of your.

Speaker 25 You seem to be, I do, I do scavenger hunts, so I do things that are funny and nice and thoughtful.

Speaker 19 So it's six gotta work for my gift, eight gifts, yeah. Like go downstairs and open up the that doesn't feel like much of a gift.

Speaker 26 Like look underneath

Speaker 26 the flowers in the lobby.

Speaker 14 Hey, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 37 What's the final? Where's the final? Is it like you laying in the bed?

Speaker 15 Yeah, naked.

Speaker 37 Is that the final spot?

Speaker 49 With an arrow down.

Speaker 49 Here it is.

Speaker 44 A beautiful. Yes.

Speaker 22 That is. How did you guys see through me so well?

Speaker 30 It's me on a bearspin rug with an arrow pointing down at my penis.

Speaker 15 Yes, that's the big bit.

Speaker 44 Yeah, that's the big bit

Speaker 51 at the end.

Speaker 23 Those Lexus ribbons on it.

Speaker 14 Yeah, somebody remembers.

Speaker 2 It is.

Speaker 25 It's me just wearing one of those ribbons you put on an SUV when you're giving a music.

Speaker 37 You send her all around Miami, hot-ass Miami, sweating and thick and tired. Then she goes back.
Present, baby.

Speaker 39 How did this get turned around on me?

Speaker 45 I was asking the group how they are at gift giving.

Speaker 23 How did this get turned around?

Speaker 45 All of you are thoughtless.

Speaker 20 Mike, you're not a thoughtless gift giver.

Speaker 43 There's no way that you're a thoughtless romantic.

Speaker 50 I got nothing on you, pal.

Speaker 2 I got nothing on you.

Speaker 10 I am thoughtless compared to you. You're doing a scavenger hunt, aren't you?

Speaker 2 For your anniversary?

Speaker 26 Look at Jeremy's sweater. There's no way he's thoughtless.

Speaker 5 Come on, man.

Speaker 37 I didn't even know Jeremy was here.

Speaker 49 Yeah, he's a good one.

Speaker 1 I was trying not to talk so that you wouldn't also bully me for wearing this cardigan.

Speaker 37 I think, be honest with you, I think you look kind of fly. Thank you.
I kind of like it. I kind of like it.
I think

Speaker 37 you need a little jewelry. I know.
You need a little jewelry.

Speaker 1 I was given a change.

Speaker 26 I had one.

Speaker 1 It broke because it was cheap because it wasn't real. Obviously, I'm not spending that type of money.
I need $1,000 from Dan over the weekend. Hopefully the Chiefs cover minus three and a half.

Speaker 2 But look, walking down the street.

Speaker 37 Oh, never mind. Never mind.
Never mind. I thought I didn't, it says Miami on it.

Speaker 50 Oh, yeah, it's Miami.

Speaker 14 It must be there.

Speaker 37 It's my just a lot.

Speaker 13 You get it.

Speaker 1 Court culture. You know, shout out court culture.
Shout out that guy who stopped me on the way here. Shout out the concierge down here at the Elser who was giving me compliments.

Speaker 1 Shout out a means guy at the American Airlines lounge yesterday.

Speaker 26 Joseph, the bartender. Yeah, Joseph the bartender.

Speaker 15 Dominique, look who you did.

Speaker 37 Can I tell you, yeah, I'm sorry. Can I tell you the gift that I got my wife that I thought she was going to really appreciate that it didn't work out?

Speaker 37 It was a few anniversaries ago, and my wife like really loves music and especially like old music 90s r b like we all love 90s r b a lot of drew hill playing in the house a lot of jodic a lot of that type of stuff playing at all times so i mean of course i took her to dinner and all that stuff and then the one like thing that i thought she would find like funny and also appreciate was i got a cameo from Cisco

Speaker 37 telling us happy anniversary. And he

Speaker 37 mispronounced my name. It was like perfect.
It was funny. He was like, I don't know.

Speaker 37 Don Quaid.

Speaker 37 He wanted to say it. And I thought it was perfect.
It was funny. It's good.
She was like, oh, okay. I was like, I got Cisco.

Speaker 37 Cisco. Thong song.

Speaker 26 So, Tom, you telling me Cisco's on cameo?

Speaker 37 He was a few years ago. I don't know what he's doing now.

Speaker 26 You know who else is on cameo? Me, at Darth Ameen. You can order a cameo right now.
Birthdays,

Speaker 26 bar mitzvahs, bot mitzvahs, whatever. Anniversaries.
I do it all. At Darth Ameen, we're running a special right now.
Don't miss it.

Speaker 2 You got that special too?

Speaker 35 Funerals, too.

Speaker 37 I'll send you the Cisco video if I can find it.

Speaker 19 It's unavailable right now, Cisco. I was looking up to see how much it would cost.

Speaker 32 So wait, the gift, you say you're a bad gift giver, and yet you're sitting here trying to give your wife something that is both thoughtful and funny, and she finds it neither.

Speaker 37 Yeah, that's called being a bad gift giver, dad, because I'm trying. I would love.
There are plenty of things that I'm not good at, but I don't try, so it's fine.

Speaker 37 When I'm trying, like, I'm going to do this.

Speaker 37 One year, I think, surprisingly, she, I, I wrote her a terrible poem a long time ago, which again, I was like, this will be, no, no, no, no, no, that's a good effort.

Speaker 21 Good effort.

Speaker 37 To be clear, I mean, I knew I'm not a poet. I was like, this will be funny and also get across the point that I'm trying to get across.
And that was actually a gift that it worked out.

Speaker 37 And then, of course, there's like you buy diamonds every, every anniversary or every so often and those go over well, but it never gets to quite the reaction of like something that's thoughtful where it's like, oh, you nailed it.

Speaker 37 Now, I want to be good at these things. So I remember that.
And, but you can't go back to it. That's the thing.
Dan, you can only put your sexy body at the end of a scavenger hunt once.

Speaker 37 You can't do that every year.

Speaker 24 Oh, no, that arrow has been used for nine or ten years now.

Speaker 23 That it's the same ribbon I'm wearing as a thong every single year. It's all tactical.

Speaker 23 You mentioned, Jeremy, getting complimented by strangers.

Speaker 25 Is that something that you do at all?

Speaker 38 Are you comfortable enough?

Speaker 23 Are you man enough, Dominique, to just compliment a stranger with no agenda?

Speaker 37 I've been trying to do that more often because I recognize. So like I go to New York for work every week and it's probably once or twice a year.

Speaker 37 Somebody will say something nice to me and I will remember it for my whole life. So this is my goal going forward.
Does anybody else do that?

Speaker 37 Like, I think it takes a bit of confidence and you have to be careful, obviously, because some people think you're hitting on them.

Speaker 37 My wife's hairdresser came over a couple of days ago and his cologne smelled great. It's like, that smelled great.
He's been telling, telling everybody that I said his cologne smells great.

Speaker 37 And I just understand how good that feels. And I want to do it more often.
And Dan, you do a really good job of hosting this show, man. You're really impressive and talented and awesome.

Speaker 37 And I love the gray in your beard.

Speaker 33 It is actually a very easy way to make something stick with somebody in a way that brightens up somebody's day.

Speaker 25 I don't imagine Amin does very much of that.

Speaker 26 No, this is the Doc Rivers press conference, right? Someone asks you a question, say, what a smart question. And then they love you forever after that.

Speaker 26 So I think in professional settings, oddly enough, I think it's a very effective tool. That's what I use it.

Speaker 26 When you tell someone like, hey, man, I'm big, like you go, if you're a guest on a podcast, like, oh, man, thanks for having me on. I'm a big fan of the show.

Speaker 22 You know,

Speaker 22 never listen to that. That's my favorite episode.

Speaker 26 Well, you say that. You just say, well, you know what you do? You do a little, I do a little Google search, right?

Speaker 19 Just so you have one in the holster?

Speaker 26 Yeah, one in the holster. I can talk about like semi-intelligently.
But like on the street saying, like, hey, man, that's a nice sweater.

Speaker 31 Nah, man.

Speaker 39 Yeah, but that's all agenda-based.

Speaker 15 You're not doing something to spread feel-good.

Speaker 39 You're just lying. You're just lying to spread your own agenda.

Speaker 26 Well, that's what he's doing.

Speaker 45 No, he's complimenting a stranger for no reason other than to make them feel good.

Speaker 37 I'm saying when I get a genuine compliment from somebody, it makes me feel good. And I try to do that more often.
And you made that point about going on shows.

Speaker 37 Is there anything that you get all the time? Because people check my Wikipedia before I go on their show.

Speaker 37 And they always bring up that I was born in England like they're the first person to find that.

Speaker 37 And I have to go through the same thing of like, yeah, my dad was in the military no I didn't have the accent we left before then but every time I go on the show I know that you've checked my wiki because if you say hey you're born in England huh

Speaker 37 that that that is worse I think that's worse than not knowing anything about you correct for them to just cite the first sentence of your Wikipedia is so lazy that it's offensive to you as a former professional athlete it just it's funny to me because I know what they did they looked at it they was like oh that's that's so random.

Speaker 37 No one probably brings this up. I'm gonna shock them by bringing this up off the bat, and it's gonna soften them up, it's gonna be great.

Speaker 37 And I play along, oh, yeah, but that's military, happy Veterans Day. It's cool, but

Speaker 37 it's really not that interesting a story because I don't remember anything. I think they're gonna get something out of it.
Like, did you play soccer, girl? Like, no, I don't remember at all.

Speaker 37 We stationed there, I was born, like fishing ships, and that was it.

Speaker 37 Did you start with a good A? Like, I feel like

Speaker 50 you started with a good.

Speaker 37 Oh,

Speaker 37 it sounded more Australian. I was very fault.

Speaker 25 I wanted to ask both you and Amin something that's happening over in MLS where they seem to have made a bad business decision putting their games behind a paywall.

Speaker 34 And Inner Miami right now is in the middle of what is going to be a one-month period playing the first round of MLS with Lionel Messi.

Speaker 33 Yes, Amin.

Speaker 26 I won't lie. When you started with, I wanted to ask you and a question.

Speaker 26 What black topic are we going to have to tackle?

Speaker 18 No business.

Speaker 15 No business. I'm going off.
We're trying to be.

Speaker 14 It says right here, Don Nick was born in England.

Speaker 31 Oh, that's right.

Speaker 37 I made the same face as you. As soon as he was like, I want to ask you an amend a question.

Speaker 37 Oh, man, we're about to get into it.

Speaker 37 Yes, Colin Kaepernick got black frogs.

Speaker 32 I went with a business question, asking my front office guys for some expertise on decisions a league made in growth and expansion of his league.

Speaker 45 I tell you, Apple is a partner, everybody would say yes.

Speaker 23 But now they're going to make their games free next year because they did real damage to their league by putting all of their games behind a paywall.

Speaker 2 Well, free behind the normal paywall. They were like double paywalled.

Speaker 15 Two paywalls.

Speaker 40 You had to have like MLS season pass. Now, if you have Apple TV, you get access to the entire MLS.

Speaker 10 It is a capitulation on MLS's part to say, hey, this didn't work. Viewership's down.

Speaker 48 Attendance.

Speaker 10 you could always count on MLS attendance being strong. Attendance has dipped down to 2022 levels right now.

Speaker 26 Why do you think attendance is down?

Speaker 26 Do you think it's related? I don't know if it's related to the world.

Speaker 40 I mean, last year their attendance was good, but they had a huge boom with Messi being novelty.

Speaker 37 And for it, I think it's a...

Speaker 40 I can understand it sliding, but to slide to 2022 levels, that is not the sustainable growth model that they touted so proudly.

Speaker 37 Seems like Mike is the person that you should have asked this question to, but I think that you can tie the stretch i don't think it's a stretch to tie the attendance going down to the viewership going down because like you follow a team you want to go to the games you want to watch the games that you don't go to i think you have more buy-in and i think we all kind of pointed at this time as this being kind of a bad idea because to your point dan you said they're in a growth stage like

Speaker 37 If you're in a growth stage, you want it as easily accessible as possible and you may not want to try to maximize revenue. Anytime a company is building, you'll see it.

Speaker 37 Like a new company is going to give you a bunch of promotions, give you a bunch of discounts, try to get you,

Speaker 37 make it so this product is a habit for you and you don't have to clear anything. They'll give you samples in the mall because they're trying to get you to stop and buy it.
Like they did the opposite.

Speaker 37 They're like, you got to get reservations to come to this new restaurant that no one has heard of, that no one really likes in a country that is barely into it.

Speaker 37 So like, I think it was a interesting strategic move. It probably was financially more beneficial to them in the moment, but I think in long term it's going to, it's already had.

Speaker 26 It's the worst crack dealers ever.

Speaker 10 We saw Spotify do a reversal when they try to make their podcast exclusive.

Speaker 9 We've seen the WWE's business tumble quite a bit. They don't, Netflix doesn't even release viewership numbers for Monday Night Raw.
And now MLS is doing this.

Speaker 40 I understand as a commissioner of a league, he has to take like the big money deal.

Speaker 10 But in retrospect, this went against the best interests of the league by putting it behind this paywall, a league that was trying to grow, a league that has the benefit of hosting a World Cup this coming summer.

Speaker 48 In retrospect, big mistake?

Speaker 37 Yeah, seems like it.

Speaker 37 I mean, I would have thought that WWE, I'm not a WWE guy, but like it's a long-standing business that has really locked in fan base and Netflix is probably the most common streaming service.

Speaker 37 I would have thought that if anything, if there was any

Speaker 37 league or entertainment property that could like survive and not be impacted by it, it would be the WWE.

Speaker 37 Of course, the NFL is one, but I even think if you put a paywall up for the NFL, it would have a dramatic negative impact on it. But I guess we have those Christmas games to look at, right?

Speaker 37 Those are the Netflix games that have the numbers through.

Speaker 26 The Amazon games technically are paywalled games.

Speaker 32 Yeah, you guys,

Speaker 43 you cannot have a business decision.

Speaker 25 You can't have what I'm about to say.

Speaker 20 You actually struck gold on all things Messi related and you didn't grow your league while it was happening like those two things can't like that is a management failure of the highest order to have the best player in the world deliver on being the best player in the world and you're not growing your league while it happened i think they they made it they were ambitious they thought like people are going to be like oh messy i don't care i'm sight unseen here's my money and what they found out is again this market is a tough nut to crack I also think that it's possible that there's these decisions always seem so obvious to us on the outside, but when you're in a room like that, there's a lot of different things competing, pulling one way or the other.

Speaker 37 And I'm sure that they want their franchise values to grow up. Like that's the most important thing.
And they have to find a new way to demonstrate that franchise values are going up.

Speaker 37 I think the assumption was probably that they'll get more money from Apple with this paywall deal, like right now.

Speaker 37 And that'll show a jump in revenue, which will lead to increase in franchise values, which is what like we only look at ratings as the only measure, but I think like franchise value and revenue, especially for a young league, is probably something that they're a lot more concerned about than we would think.

Speaker 37 So they probably went into it. I can't imagine that they thought that their numbers would go up.

Speaker 37 I'm sure they didn't think that they would crater, but they went into it, I'm assuming, thinking that they'll be able to demonstrate that this is a much more profitable business than originally thought to be.

Speaker 25 The Dominique Foxworth show is something that all of you should listen to because it is smart and interesting and different.

Speaker 25 You should stop in on the live watch on Sunday during Chiefs must win against the Broncos. The shipping container has a $5,000 bet.

Speaker 24 You should pop in at some point on Sunday, Dominique.

Speaker 37 Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 37 Nick Wright is making it real hard for us guests. We are all supposed to come in.

Speaker 15 I was going to say, you can drop a little bit. Yeah, can you drop a little bit?

Speaker 16 I know you got money.

Speaker 14 I know you got money.

Speaker 37 Let me go see. I'm going to go check these couch cushions, see what I can throw on Dominion in there.

Speaker 2 Let me see.

Speaker 41 You got money in the couch cushions.

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