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Speaker 11 I mean, I don't like having, obviously, genuinely embarrassing moments with anybody, but I don't like having them with co-workers especially. And I just had something happen to me this morning that...

Speaker 11 is the most embarrassed I've been with a co-worker since I came out of this room holding a gift from Izzy Gutierrez that was a Christmas gift that I didn't know was a Christmas gift.

Speaker 11 And I just asked in front of Izzy Gutierrez, does anyone want this? Like I just asked everybody this because

Speaker 11 I came back from vacation. It had still been in the office.
I didn't remember that it was given.

Speaker 11 And so that feeling was conjured for me today when very innocently, and I can be oblivious, I looked at Jeremy and the light blue sweater that he was wearing and I said, what punishment are you serving today?

Speaker 11 And I wasn't trying to insult him. I was asking the question genuinely because Mike confused me yesterday by being Pete Carroll by just wearing a Raider's hoodie.

Speaker 11 And I didn't know he was serving a punishment when he came in from the way that he was dressed. It was a quarter tip.

Speaker 9 So, the Izzy story, you should be embarrassed and ashamed. That is awful because it was something done in a moment of tenderness and thoughtfulness.
And you

Speaker 9 very dismissively say, Who wants this, right? Asking Jeremy what punishment he's serving serving is hilarious

Speaker 5 My God It was pretty funny

Speaker 4 Is that a punishment you said

Speaker 5 Don't sell yourself short just moments later you asked is Amin in today while he was sitting directly in front of me I was like three Maybe two and a half feet away from you

Speaker 11 Yeah, but that's not the same as asking whether Amin was dressed in a form of penalty. And no, that's just the sweater that Jeremy chose.
So that question, that question's offensive.

Speaker 11 It's an offensive question.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's a question.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 4 The craziest part about it is I came in today feeling really, really good because when I was walking from getting my Starbucks, I'm walking through the U.S.

Speaker 5 court area and a cop.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 And a cop, a cop stops me.

Speaker 5 And he's like, hey, sir.

Speaker 4 And so I'm like, oh, oh, no, did I do something wrong? Did I jaywalk? Whatever.

Speaker 7 And he goes, did I jaywalk?

Speaker 4 And he goes, hey, man, big fan.

Speaker 7 I love that sweater. It looks great.

Speaker 10 Where did you get it?

Speaker 7 No joke. Love that sweater.
Where'd you get it? Tell him, oh, hey, over at the Heats Arena.

Speaker 4 So then I walk over here. I walk into the Elser.
And I've got, yeah, he did say big fan.

Speaker 10 And I've got

Speaker 7 headphones in. I've got headphones.

Speaker 4 The concierge looks at me and she goes, like she points at her ears.

Speaker 7 And so I take out my headphones and she goes, oh, I love that sweater. Where did you get it?

Speaker 4 It looks great. And I said, wow, you're the second person who said that to me today.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 I came in here all excited.

Speaker 4 I get compliments from multiple people when I walk in. And then Dan walks in and asks me, Is that a punishment?

Speaker 9 Yeah, Lorenzo Butler was happy up until that last part.

Speaker 5 I texted Lorenzo.

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Speaker 11 That was a good idea.

Speaker 4 Percy, Percy, Percy. Come on.

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Speaker 11 We're at the time of year where I think Tony and Jeremy are going to have to put an electrical collar on Mike to keep him from talking about the University of Miami and yelling about committees and rankings and the SEC.

Speaker 11 So we will get to some college football stuff here in a second.

Speaker 11 But before we do that, because the Dolphins are playing the 9:30 game in Spain this weekend, I was simply curious as these reports come out that Miami, that the Dolphins, a team that haven't been relevant this century, are going to Spain, that they want to be America's Latin team, that they want to go to Spanish countries and do what Jacksonville does with London, where you lose home games, but you're sending your product overseas and

Speaker 11 you're making your fan pace more global.

Speaker 11 Should fans treasure the home game experience so much in football when you only get eight or nine of them that you want to be xenophobic and say, no, I want the home field advantage in the AFC East of not playing a game over an ocean.

Speaker 11 I don't care if it sells the game globally.

Speaker 14 I don't think that makes you a xenophobe.

Speaker 1 That's strong, I think.

Speaker 11 Walk it back.

Speaker 11 I just wanted to use the word xenophobia.

Speaker 5 I know you came out of nowhere.

Speaker 11 Put it on the poll at Levantard Joe.

Speaker 14 I just want to use the word xenophobia.

Speaker 11 Is xenophobe a good word?

Speaker 11 Is xenophobe a fun word? Yes, yes, or no?

Speaker 5 To a Spaniard.

Speaker 11 It doesn't make you a xenophobe, but there are plenty of folks who do not want their home games, I would assume, don't want their home games sent overseas, especially if you have a season ticket package.

Speaker 5 Right. But to be clear, that doesn't make you a xenophobe.
That just makes you a football fan.

Speaker 3 You should get a ticket in Spain. If you have season tickets and they lose a home game, you should just get a seat.

Speaker 5 Good idea.

Speaker 5 I think that they do have some kind of priority when it comes to those games.

Speaker 13 You know what's better than a home game? A fun road game that you and all the boys travel to.

Speaker 14 I know Mike, I know Mike loves that.

Speaker 5 I know Chris loves that.

Speaker 13 Hey, we're going to go all of us to Spain, sell it to the wives. We'll hang out in Spain for a couple of days.

Speaker 5 All of a sudden, come on.

Speaker 3 A work trip, honey?

Speaker 5 Exactly. Right.
That's better than a home game. Home game.
What are you walking to the tailgate?

Speaker 13 Oh, I see the same guy.

Speaker 3 You know how many sporting trips I've just said to my wife, it's a work trip?

Speaker 5 Exactly. Right.

Speaker 3 Like taking candy from a baby.

Speaker 11 What age do you think that you'll grow out of that? What age are the children? There is an age where one grows out of that, correct? Lying to your wife? I'm still looking for it.

Speaker 11 Not lying to your wife, but going on the

Speaker 11 boys' trip where you're not tired of the boys.

Speaker 3 When was your last boys' trip, Dan?

Speaker 5 Yeah, good question.

Speaker 3 Was it New Orleans, mashed potatoes, my dad's hair?

Speaker 11 No, no, there were a couple of Vegas trips, but yeah, it's been a minute.

Speaker 5 When was the last time you lied to your wife?

Speaker 11 The reason that I was, I don't do very much of that.

Speaker 5 Come on, Dan.

Speaker 11 The reason that I was...

Speaker 11 The reason that I was asking the question, though, is because at some point I did grow out of that.

Speaker 11 It's why I was asking, because all of you seem eager about the boys' trip, and I'm like, at some point, you grow out of that.

Speaker 9 What was the boys' trip that made you say, enough, this has never happened?

Speaker 11 Well, Vegas does this.

Speaker 11 Vegas's expiration date with me is like five or six past these particular trips where I'm like excited about going on the trip and then after the trip I feel pretty gross about myself and all the best kind and all the choices that I've made.

Speaker 5 Those are your decisions, though.

Speaker 13 It didn't have to do with the boys, right?

Speaker 5 You and the boys got

Speaker 5 made things happen. You made bad decisions.

Speaker 7 A little post-boys trip regret.

Speaker 5 Ah.

Speaker 11 Put it on the poll at Limitard Show.

Speaker 5 Ah, a little post-boys trip regret. Boys' trip regret.
Ah.

Speaker 9 Yes. Exclamation point.

Speaker 11 But you throw Vegas in there, it makes it even worse.

Speaker 11 Vegas and Miami are the dirtiest American cities to do that in, right?

Speaker 11 New Orleans would like a word. Oh, yeah, New Orleans.
Excuse me. Yes.

Speaker 11 Yes, I'm sorry to have offended New Orleans. Jeremy,

Speaker 11 I again apologize for what happened with my obliviousness this morning. That sweater was a choice you made.
I have not seen that sweater before.

Speaker 11 I did genuinely ask you if it was a punishment of some sort you were serving.

Speaker 9 He looks like John Travolta after he's made the turn and he's going to prove Olivia Newton John, hey, I'm a good guy after all.

Speaker 4 Good. That's what I want to look like.

Speaker 3 Guy's hot.

Speaker 9 Danny Zucco.

Speaker 11 So a reference from the 1976 movie Greece.

Speaker 4 Chris looks at the picture behind me and goes, Boy, you look fat in that picture.

Speaker 5 It's Pat McAfee.

Speaker 11 Before we get to some of the Miami stuff, I just did want to ask you because I feel like Tony totally aged out on your Grease reference.

Speaker 11 And this doesn't actually happen very often with my wife, who's younger than I am. Pop culture bridges aren't a problem with us.
But the other day I mentioned something,

Speaker 11 and

Speaker 11 she didn't have the context for what it was. And I mean, mean, I'm wondering how many people in our audience don't have a familiarity with what the Harlem Globetrotters are.

Speaker 11 The reason it came up is because she was looking for something and she found that Madison Square Garden, that the Harlem Globetrotters are going to be playing Madison Square Garden.

Speaker 11 I was shocked by that as a traveling basketball circus that they still are able to command full arenas. And

Speaker 11 she thought the Harlem Globetrotters were a real team. And so I sort of had to explain to her what they were.

Speaker 11 Do you think there are many people in our audience from sports who don't know what the Harlem Globetrotters are?

Speaker 9 My kids know who they are. I think this is a...
Do you like sports or not? Your wife is not the biggest sports fan in the world, so I think it's understandable

Speaker 9 given the age and the lack of interest in sports.

Speaker 9 Now, older people, our generation, we remember when even if you didn't know anything about sports, there was a Harlem Globetrotters cartoon, and there was like, it was everywhere.

Speaker 9 It was everywhere as a cultural piece of sport.

Speaker 11 but a traveling circus for basketball in 2025 seems like a really outdated thing to be able to fill Madison Square Garden fill is a relative term like it's not going to be 19,763 or whatever the number they always tout over there but

Speaker 9 this is the dirty secret about every arena you have the worst thing you can have is a dark date so they'd rather have 10,000 people show up for the Globetrotters than turn the lights off and say we didn't have anything happen today.

Speaker 5 Remember when the Globetrotters played Michigan State? Yes.

Speaker 11 They lost to Michigan State.

Speaker 5 Michigan State snapped their over thousand-game win streak, but then in 03, the Globetrotters beat Michigan State. Yep.
Magic Johnson, I think, played in that game. Danielson.

Speaker 13 How did you explain to Valerie that the Globetrotters never lose?

Speaker 5 Well, yeah.

Speaker 5 Hey, they go around, but like they don't lose to anybody.

Speaker 11 Well, this sent us on a video hunt when she's like, what do you mean they don't ever lose? I'm like, watch, these defenders are clearly in on the whole.

Speaker 5 The Washington General. Whoa, wait a minute.

Speaker 2 Speaking of lying to your wife, you should have made made a bet with her.

Speaker 9 Hey, I got the. Yeah, I got the Globetrotters.

Speaker 11 Speaking of bets, Tony, what are you leading this Sunday with a group of people? Lewis is very worried about this. Now, these are stakes.

Speaker 11 These are stakes that make me uncomfortable because Lewis keeps muttering that he needs the money, and I just don't like the feeling of that around me.

Speaker 3 I believe he said my kids need Christmas.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 Like, and so this is

Speaker 11 a $5,000 bet, and you guys are on the Chiefs. The Chiefs minus three and a half is where you got the number.
I'm really scared of that half point.

Speaker 11 I'm really scared of you guys getting crushed by that half point.

Speaker 5 That would be better, though, right?

Speaker 13 Like us getting crushed by the half point would be better conversation.

Speaker 11 Well, it dramatic is what we need it to be. You guys really feeling the suffering of $5,000 on the line in a game.

Speaker 11 I really think that the Broncos are going to miss Patrick Sertan the most this weekend. Like they really need that player for this game

Speaker 11 to be able to alter the things that Kansas City is doing.

Speaker 11 But the idea that they're calling that a must-win game for the Chiefs when people don't feel like the Chiefs have played an important regular season game in how many years?

Speaker 5 A lot, right?

Speaker 13 And they've kind of got two back-to-back, really important regular season games, especially in the AFC. You look at the AFC West this weekend with the Broncos.

Speaker 13 If they can beat the Broncos, there's a little tiny path for them to maybe sneak in and win the division.

Speaker 13 Next week, they've got the Indianapolis Colts, which is a massive game for kind of the hierarchy of the AFC in general.

Speaker 13 But yeah, Dan, Sunday night, Sunday afternoon, it's going to be dark though at 4.25, but we're going to be live streaming.

Speaker 13 Me, maybe Chris, Jeremy, Roy, Lewis, all of us sitting in the cheap seats, hoping and praying that the offense you said was dead will come alive one more time.

Speaker 11 When you say the hierarchy of the AFC, okay, I believe there is not an analyst in the country for all that we cover football that had the Patriots as the best record in the sport this late in the season.

Speaker 11 I don't believe there's an analyst who thought, I don't believe there is a single person out there who analyzed the AFC East, said those are going to be some easy games in the AFC East, and the Patriots are going to have an MVP chant at quarterback.

Speaker 11 They're going to have the hottest young thing you want, which is the combination of they've got a 23-year-old quarterback who we know is going to be good, and they've got the wonderful delight that sports fans treasure so much is we're the surprise.

Speaker 11 We're the underdog surprise. People haven't even been talking about us all season.
They've been talking about the Colts.

Speaker 11 They've been talking about the Colts as the surprise of the league, and the Patriots have the best record in the sport.

Speaker 9 Dan, I'll do you one better. How many people had the Patriots having the best record in their division, let alone the whole sport? Like just having a better record than the Bills as well.

Speaker 11 Give me somebody who had this. Give me, for all the analysis that we do on who's a good team, who's a bad team, and we do it every week.
Can you guys find me somebody?

Speaker 11 Because at least I heard Dominique Foxworth saying, he'll be on with us later before the season. Hey, the Colts are going to be really good.
Everyone's got this wrong on the Colts.

Speaker 11 I didn't hear anybody saying that on the Patriots, even as I heard plenty of people saying Drake May's growing as a quarterback and is going to be a good quarterback, but not MVP good.

Speaker 11 Not they're going to surprise everybody in the sport good.

Speaker 5 I'm sorry. I found an article from Menafeldt.com published in August by Ali Bonpuri that had them as the second seed.
There you go.

Speaker 5 New England was a very vogue pick to make the playoffs and be the team that ascends in that conference.

Speaker 5 First seed with uh you know home field advantage, uh, hard pressed to find anybody that said that.

Speaker 13 Um, you look at Drake May and what he was doing last year, and there was already kind of glimpses of, oh, this guy can be really good if they surround him with decent pieces.

Speaker 13 And then going into the year, they didn't really make any tremendous moves on the offensive side of the ball.

Speaker 13 You look across at their weapons in the wide receiver core, and you're like, Stephon Diggs is coming off an ACL. He's okay.
They got like Kayshawn Booty and Mac Hollins and Hunter Henry.

Speaker 13 And it's like, I don't know if this team can be that good on offense. And then all of a sudden, Drake May has just kind of the rising tide that's lifted all boats there.
And it's just really good.

Speaker 9 Can we call Drake May a liar or is it too early? Too early to say that?

Speaker 11 Which part was he lying about?

Speaker 9 Drake May when he said, when they asked him about like developing the chemistry with his receivers and he said he's been watching them since he was in middle school.

Speaker 11 Well, let's hear Drake May in his own words because he was talking about Stephon Diggs. Stephon Diggs is the receiver that he's...

Speaker 11 that he's going to 100 yards for. I think a lot of us thought that Stephon Diggs was also spent.
I think a lot of us thought what Tony was saying that, what, Mac Collins?

Speaker 11 What are you, you're going to, you're Hunter Henry. What the hell are you guys going to do with that? It's not going to be MVP chance.
That's not what we're going to get.

Speaker 11 So let's hear Drake May talking about when he started developing trust with Stephon Diggs.

Speaker 5 Is the trust that you have in Stephon Diggs something that's built up over time, or do you feel like you had that right away?

Speaker 16 No, that trust was built up.

Speaker 16 You know, probably when I was in middle school when he was playing in the league,

Speaker 16 it was long ago. You know, guys like him and Hunter and Mac,

Speaker 16 you know, you trust those guys for what they've done in this league.

Speaker 16 And I just try to give them chances. And,

Speaker 16 you know, Stephen, you know, he need to break a couple tackles, get in the end zone. But, you know, those guys are true.

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Speaker 17 I don't think he knows what trust is. No chance.

Speaker 17 No way in the world he's watching Mac when he was in the middle school. I don't listen to him.
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Chicken has been changed way too many times.

Speaker 17 I think you should listen to him. It's right on.

Speaker 17 It was in 2017, so he's going to be watching Chronicles, the game film.

Speaker 11 he was 13 when he was watching Stephon Diggs.

Speaker 11 He was 13. I don't believe that that's when they developed chemistry and trust, though.

Speaker 13 Trust is a two-way street, Dan. There you go.
So you got to build the trust one way, right? So he's like, oh, damn, I'm 13. But wow, Stephon Diggs, good player.

Speaker 13 And then when he finally meets him, Stephon Diggs trusts him.

Speaker 11 The other is a two-way street. You're absolutely right.
Trust is not a one-way street.

Speaker 5 I trust you, but do you trust me, Dan?

Speaker 11 It runs both ways. And so yeah, at that time, Stephon Diggs was not thinking to himself, I hope this 13-year-old kid could be my quarterback.

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Speaker 11 I do believe that most people watching North Carolina football knew Drake May was a special talent.

Speaker 11 And when it is that you see Caleb Williams or others go through the bumpiness of playing right away, Drake May's arc has been a fairly amazing one in that his success has been linear.

Speaker 11 We've seen him grow. They suffered for a little while.
And now the stats are before Vrabel got there, the Patriots had won nine times in 38 games.

Speaker 11 Now they've won nine times since Vrabel has gotten there. Like that, they got it all fixed because they're fixed at quarterback.

Speaker 11 And we can talk about their skill guys, but that's the skill guy that matters. And to have it be a surprise from a pick like that when we all saw that coming in college.

Speaker 11 Like we know he's a special player, but I don't think that anyone had him taking MVP from Josh Allen in the chance. Like

Speaker 11 I did not have that happening. Not this fast.
That's not this learning curve. The numbers on Drake May are crazy.
Like they're he's putting up unprecedented combinations of numbers.

Speaker 4 Yeah, per OPTA stats, and you mentioned, Dan, the versatility for Drake May last week, his mobility as well.

Speaker 4 Over 2,500 passing yards, over 250 rushing yards, over 20 touchdown passes, over a 70% completion percentage, over an 800 winning percentage.

Speaker 5 No other quarterback in NFL history has put up those numbers over any 11-game span of starts in any season in nfl history i don't think this is that surprising it's mike vrabel and drake may a lot of people rated both those guys super highly this is what mike vrabel does i don't for the life of me tennessee a freaking mess terrible decision you have the greatest underdog head coach ever and you have a guy that was dynamite in college this makes sense this makes all the sense in the world actually but the thing is to dan's point of the speed of it they lost to the raiders on opening day And the Raiders are terrible, right?

Speaker 13 Like you look and you juxtapose the two ways that those, both of those teams teams have gone.

Speaker 13 And at the beginning of the season, you're like, oof, all right, Vrabe's going to get off to a rough start losing to a Raiders team that maybe could be good.

Speaker 13 And now we look at them and they've won eight out of 11.

Speaker 11 But Mike says it's

Speaker 11 not a surprise. And look, the Dolphins came very close to beating them.

Speaker 11 And at the time, when we were talking about what the assessments of the teams were, the Dolphins were viewed as a team that should win that game against the Patriots at home.

Speaker 11 And while you're right about the reputations of Drake May and Vraebel, It's two consecutive four and 13 seasons, and that's the MVP of the league that's been at the top of the division for a while.

Speaker 11 It's one thing to think that the Patriots are going to be the two seed or they're going to be good.

Speaker 11 It's another thing entirely to say, whoa, the moment they beat the Bills, did they just take the division from the Bills? Because everyone around here is saying now the window's closed on the Bills.

Speaker 11 So the Patriots get two years of suffering while the Dolphins get 22?

Speaker 11 The Patriots get two years of suffering after Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, and the Dolphins in the same same division get 22 years of suffering and now ship off one of their home games to Spain or somewhere else so those xenophobes can enjoy them not playing in Miami.

Speaker 5 A handful of people set the windows close on the Bills. A handful of us think that's absurd.

Speaker 11 I saw just on the television moments ago that betters are saying the Bills are still top five in terms of how it is that the money goes. That viewed as one of the top five.

Speaker 4 That's a youth thing, too.

Speaker 5 You got to expect there's an ascension here that comes with this Patriots team and Drake May. Yes, this is a great start.

Speaker 5 You're going to be really important in this conference for a decade, but this takes time.

Speaker 5 They are a flawed team. Put a little bit more talent around the quarterback.
In the playoffs,

Speaker 5 we know the Bills are going to be favored. Not that that matters.

Speaker 5 They were favored when they played New England earlier this season, but these typically don't go the way where a second-year guy just claims the conference from both Mahomes and Bay.

Speaker 11 Oh, but

Speaker 11 my larger point is because of the way the Patriots are playing football through, as you correctly identify, coach and quarterback.

Speaker 11 The streak they've put together is unusual of the number of times they've gone over 23 points and one number of times the defense has held opponents under 23 points.

Speaker 11 So what they are is a balanced thing. In that Raiders game that Tony talked about, they lost 20 to 10.
Since then, all they do is put up 20 plus, and they just don't allow teams to score very much. So

Speaker 11 they have the balance that you want that is really hard to undercut. I understand that anyone that goes against the Chiefs and the Bills and the Ravens probably are going to feel like an underdog.

Speaker 11 You're not going to trust any of those teams until you've seen them get past the teams that you have seen do it.

Speaker 11 They're way ahead of schedule. There's supposed to be a suffering process that lasts more than two years before you get to just take the division back.

Speaker 11 It took the Bills 17 years to take the division from the Patriots.

Speaker 5 I think when you look at it from a conference perspective, like one quarterback can say they took it from Patrick Mahomes and it's Joe Burrow.

Speaker 5 Until proven otherwise, they run shit.

Speaker 13 But you look at two on the other side of the conference in the NFC, Jaden Daniels was a rookie and all of a sudden completely barnstormed through everybody in the NFC, got to the Lions, who were one of the better teams in the NFC, hopeful, Super Bowl hopefuls and destroyed them too obviously ended up losing to Philly but that's another team that was like out of nowhere boom coach quarterback everything linked up and obviously this year they've been hurt but that's kind of another example oh but seeing here's the thing though and I'm sure that this is happening to others this is not just happening to me that Washington thing happens and then collapses and

Speaker 11 I'm less surprised by it than I would be if it happened in these uniforms.

Speaker 11 There's something about seeing this running around throughout my football nightmares for 20 years, owning the sport, where I'm like, oh, that's not going to have a regression.

Speaker 11 That's not going to have a quarterback who goes the other way. Maybe he gets hurt, but it's not going to, he's not going to suddenly be CJ Stroud.

Speaker 11 He's not going to go from MVP chance to what happened to C.J. Stroud.
Like they have the organizational infrastructure. The Gerard Mayo hire was a disaster, okay? And they got out from under it.

Speaker 11 He's the one who came, the guy who came after the guy. And so for two years, he takes the beating.

Speaker 5 But vrabels already won as much in 11 games as they won in the 38 before that that's crazy i think mayo might have just had one year um it's crazy the dolphins did nothing with like the three and a half years of seamless down they didn't do nothing like they had the best offense in the sport it just they couldn't play in the cold are we sure that there's no regression possible that it's just going to be up and up and up

Speaker 11 i'm just saying that i'm less i don't expect to see it in that uniform i've got whatever the post-traumatic football fans uh feelings are on that uniform does things successfully for 20 years.

Speaker 11 That organization isn't going to screw up that they've got the young quarterback.

Speaker 9 How much legacy is pulled over? How many of the people that were around for

Speaker 9 the dominance are around now?

Speaker 11 I can't be the only one doing that, right? I'm not the only one. When I tell you that and I say, what do you expect from this? Like all of you look at what happened in Washington.

Speaker 11 You may be surprised. Maybe you're surprised that it is collapsed because you expected Jaden Daniels to be as good.

Speaker 11 But having seen it happen in Houston and Washington, I feel comfortable based on just the uniform saying it's not going to happen here. There's not going to be a regression here at this position.

Speaker 11 Maybe he gets hurt, but he's playing in a way that's all up. It's upticking at the normal amount of speed.

Speaker 11 The thing with Jaden Daniels that I didn't understand and still don't understand is how the hell do you come in the league and be that good right away?

Speaker 11 Like that's not that somebody has to learn that position. You can't just come in here and be immediately great and your team wins 11 or 12 games.
And I'm like, how the hell did that happen?

Speaker 11 This has been the way the progression's is supposed to work.

Speaker 11 I watch a first-round pick get sacked, get sacked, develop pocket presence, and all of a sudden, oh my God, the feel that he has in the pocket. He knows exactly when to run.

Speaker 11 He's done it enough now through college and the pros. Where this is only going to be a cent from here.
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Speaker 11 They're going to build around him and the running game. They're going to get draft picks.
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Speaker 11 Where does this derail

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Speaker 9 So, Elliot Wolf is the executive VP of Player Personnel. He's the final decision maker.
He joined, was that, two, three years,

Speaker 9 two years ago. Then Ryan Cowden joined them from the Giants this season.
And then Matt Gro,

Speaker 9 who's been there a couple of years years as well. I would say that this organization, other than Robert Kraft.

Speaker 5 Well, Vrabel, though. Well, Vrabel.

Speaker 11 Vrabel's a bridge between all of these things, though.

Speaker 9 So then we're giving the credit to Vrabel.

Speaker 9 And, you know, if that's the case, then why wasn't he more successful in prior stops?

Speaker 11 Because he's got a better quarterback now than he's ever had.

Speaker 9 My point is, Dan, I don't think you could say that organization when it's like nobody there was around other than Vrabel, and it's not like that information traveled with him.

Speaker 9 It's not like San Antonio or Miami, where it's like, nope, it's the same people the last 25 years running it. I'm well, I'm more inclined to believe that organization in terms of giving them trust.

Speaker 9 In this case, I feel like they just got a good quarterback, and for now, it's working, but I wouldn't afford them any kind of extra trust.

Speaker 13 I mean, I don't know about that because when you talk about Vrabel, he's the culture setter, right? Tennessee was a laughingstock before he got there.

Speaker 13 He got there, all of a sudden they went to ASA Championship games. He leaves there.
Now they're a number one pick laughingstock again, right?

Speaker 13 So he takes all of that culture setting, players, coach, all those, all those things.

Speaker 11 And Josh McDaniels has been the play caller successfully there.

Speaker 13 That's an important piece too, right? Like working with a guy who's been a seasoned veteran offensive coordinator who's worked with Brady, who's worked with great quarterbacks.

Speaker 11 This is why people criticize the Dayball hire or firing because they're saying you need consistency in the relationship between Jackson Dart, the young quarterback, and he's got to feel like he's got stability behind him.

Speaker 11 This is why I think the Bears thing is going to work so well because you're going to get the growth from a young quarterback who has the confidence and security of the young coach who has stability behind him.

Speaker 11 Before we do any more pro football though,

Speaker 11 Louisville plays Clemson tonight and Mike is now just watching football games rooting for things that help Miami. I feel like that's all you're doing.

Speaker 5 I'm rooting for my team.

Speaker 11 But tonight you're rooting. You will watch this Louisville game because at this point you're watching in order to just see bowling pins toppled that help support Miami's case.

Speaker 11 Now, I want to hear, Chris, what is the name of this CFB chairman who is speaking here and is talking about the University of Miami's chances and the idea of Miami controlling its destiny because they look at schedule, not conferences?

Speaker 11 Mike has been telling you for a while now.

Speaker 11 I don't know how much of this is happening nationally because I still hear Feinbaum ignorantly talking about the University of South Florida as if he thinks the SEC is some mystical special thing that doesn't allow for other schools outside the SEC to have talented players that are just as talented as the ones in the SEC.

Speaker 11 But I feel like all of the shine is off the SEC. That we all know that Texas and Oklahoma, oh my god, they were gonna go over there and make it so good.

Speaker 11 No, they're just running around in uniforms that you expect to be good, but they're not appreciably better than 30 other teams that you've seen in the sport this year.

Speaker 11 Louisville, I thought, could beat just about anybody. But they lost to California when they got injuries, and injuries can derail anybody.

Speaker 11 They shouldn't have and wouldn't have lost to California if not for the injuries. But you, you can't trust Clemson to take them out tonight, can you?

Speaker 5 It's a tiny spread. And they, I mean, Bouleville just lost as a 20-point favorite to Cal without Isaac Brown.
So Isaac Brown is a hugely important player for them. He's a big-time threat.

Speaker 5 And the ACC, it's tough in this conference. I know it's viewed as a punchline when other conferences beat each other up.
It's not viewed the the same way.

Speaker 5 Dabo's teams, whenever they meet this adversity over the last few seasons, they tend to really get online at the later part of the season. So I'm curious.
I certainly want Clemson to win.

Speaker 5 You can already kind of see what the committee is doing with Miami, Louisville, and Notre Dame.

Speaker 5 Miami's head-to-head argument against Notre Dame, it loses a lot of its luster if Miami is ranked ahead of Louisville when Louisville defeated them. So you want Louisville out of the way.

Speaker 3 We have the CFB committee chair chair Mac Rhodes talking about where Miami stands right now with the committee.

Speaker 22 Miami, you know, I think, Reese, you said it, you know, we had some teams lose.

Speaker 22 And again, you know, the conversation with Miami has been, you know, about their consistency, their consistency, especially on offense.

Speaker 22 They've been really, really good, you know, on defense.

Speaker 22 Obviously, you know,

Speaker 22 the head-to-head with Notre Dame comes up.

Speaker 22 And, you know, so a lot of conversation about Notre Dame seven straight, you know, better defensively than what they were at the beginning of the year so all of those all of those things played into it we've got great respect for Miami you know when you you think about the the eye test they're really talented both both sides of the ball

Speaker 22 just need to be a little bit more consistent on on the on the offense I'm sorry you said his name was Macro Mac Rhodes oh

Speaker 11 I was like, Macro, that's a great name.

Speaker 5 All it took was one week in college football. November is kind of crazy.
And And there's a lot of discourse about Miami's offense.

Speaker 5 Miami's offense this season has a legitimate shot to be the second best offense they've had in the last 20 years. It's just behind DeRick King and Rhett Lashley's Miami offense.

Speaker 5 It kind of fell apart towards the tail end of the season.

Speaker 9 Who could forget?

Speaker 5 Who could forget? DeRick King was pretty good. He was.

Speaker 5 He was. And then Javante Williams and Michael Carter ran each for 200 yards against Miami.

Speaker 13 I think one of them ran for 300.

Speaker 11 When you look, I mean, you were making the cash Patel face for some reason while that conversation was going on.

Speaker 11 I just can't believe that we are headed to the possible scenario that I'm about to put in front of you, which is Notre Dame and Miami have the same record.

Speaker 11 Miami beats Notre Dame, but Notre Dame losing to Miami gets them more credit than Miami gets for beating Notre Dame.

Speaker 5 That's crazy. You got it.

Speaker 11 But that is that we are headed to them having the same exact record.

Speaker 5 It will kill me.

Speaker 5 I will die.

Speaker 5 I will die. I will have an aneurysm.

Speaker 11 So Miami wins the game against Notre Dame.

Speaker 11 But that doesn't count for anything. But congratulations, Notre Dame.
You lost a close game to Miami.

Speaker 5 You get to play in the playoffs.

Speaker 11 You did it early enough in the season that it doesn't matter at all.

Speaker 11 We're going to penalize Miami for beating you by not giving them any credit for this whatsoever when they have the same record as you. But Notre Dame, hell of a loss.
Way to go.

Speaker 11 We're all about Notre Dame.

Speaker 9 but i again i think it goes back to kind of like quality losses like notre dame lost to a good miami team my team lost to you know and they also lost to texas a m right like they lost their the other loss it's not the head-to-head bad loss

Speaker 7 bad losses undo good wins yes

Speaker 5 all right shut up losing to smu is not a bad loss you know how many losses smu has in the acc since they entered three one well that's in the acc one they have one loss they were 11 and one last year.

Speaker 5 They were a CFP team. That's not a bad loss.
Shut the

Speaker 5 way. Number two.

Speaker 5 Louisville is presently ranked.

Speaker 11 Number two.

Speaker 5 Number two. Louisville's presently ranked.
It's not a bad loss.

Speaker 11 Shut up.

Speaker 5 The reason. The reason.

Speaker 5 The reason.

Speaker 11 Almighty. The reason it is a bad loss, Mike.

Speaker 5 The only reason. It's because Miami did it.
It's because Miami lost. It's because Miami lost.
It's a bad loss.

Speaker 7 I'm glad we're still being ranked.

Speaker 5 Texas is losing.

Speaker 5 Texas losing to Florida. Not a bad loss.
Not a bad loss.

Speaker 9 The reason he jumped on me last week because I mentioned something that happened a season ago.

Speaker 5 Do you know how seasons work?

Speaker 11 The reason it is a bad loss, okay, Mike? Dude,

Speaker 5 USF went there. Texas couldn't.

Speaker 11 I'm going to try and fail, probably, to remove some of the emotion from this. The only reason that they are bad losses is because in both games, Miami was a double-digit favorite in both of the games.

Speaker 11 I understand what you're saying, that SMU, Miami is absolutely being punished for raising the level of expectations to where Miami teams were in the past.

Speaker 11 But when you lose as a double-digit dog, what if...

Speaker 5 They weren't a double-digit favorite against SMU. The line fell to eight and a half right before kickoff.
Yeah, Dan.

Speaker 5 Alabama loses as a double-digit favorite. Point and a half, Dan.

Speaker 5 You know, pick up a paper.

Speaker 5 What do you want to pick up a paper? Pink document.

Speaker 5 All right, so a newspaper or just. Well, they lost.
It's a double-digit favorite. Teams lose as a double-digit favorite all the time.

Speaker 11 Well, Notre Dame has not.

Speaker 5 Notre Dame has not favored. They lost.
They lost.

Speaker 17 They played a game.

Speaker 12 Notre Dame was favored.

Speaker 5 They lost. Double-digit? Not as a double-digit favorite.
Oh, my God. They were an underdog.

Speaker 5 What would happen if Notre Dame played Miami?

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 5 If only I had recent history to go off.

Speaker 10 That was a long time ago, though.

Speaker 5 It's not shame. Notre Dame would be favored.
Notre Dame would be favored if they played Miami. And they were favored in the last week of August, and they lost.
And Miami controlled that game.

Speaker 13 That opening drive of the second half.

Speaker 5 Oh, damn. That opening driver of the second half.

Speaker 5 Moving the pile.

Speaker 5 Why play anybody non-conference? Why play anybody non-conference? They played Notre Dame, USF, Florida. Beat them.

Speaker 15 They have difficulty in their conference because it's a tough conference for Miami.

Speaker 5 They've been to the ACC championship as many times as Notre Dame has. Okay? Like,

Speaker 5 they've lost four games in the last two seasons, none of them by over a score.

Speaker 4 Notre Dame's losses are to Miami and by one point to the number three team in the nation.

Speaker 4 Miami's two losses are to the 20th ranked team in the country and an unranked team.

Speaker 3 That has to mean something.

Speaker 5 It does. What is SMU's record?

Speaker 4 We were just told that it's about the resume.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And the resume, while a better win, obviously, for Miami beating Notre Dame,

Speaker 4 if the entire premise is wins and losses don't matter, we're looking at the resumes and deciding who the best teams are. Who is it?

Speaker 11 It becomes Notre Dame.

Speaker 5 Not based off my logic, based off the logic.

Speaker 2 Why CFP has shown you for over a decade?

Speaker 7 Why?

Speaker 7 Why?

Speaker 2 Because they beat USC? Because they beat USC?

Speaker 5 Let's flip the resumes. Let's have Miami lose to Notre Dame by the same amount, and let's have them lose to Florida by the same amount.

Speaker 5 Notre Dame's still going to be ranked ahead of Miami. Let's have Miami win that Louisville game.
Louisville and USC are ranked right around the same place.

Speaker 5 Notre Dame has played three teams that in their conference are a combined 0-18.

Speaker 5 Like, they're not actually beat. They're just winning games, and people are forgetting that they could be beat.

Speaker 4 If I flipped the resumes, you'd be making the opposite argument. So you better shape up.

Speaker 5 I would not.

Speaker 5 I would not.

Speaker 5 You shape up. Don't tell me to shape up.
You shape up. He's got to shape up.

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Speaker 5 He didn't need to say. He's got to shape up.

Speaker 11 Yeah, there you go. He gets the reference.

Speaker 11 The thing that

Speaker 11 is funniest to me is I genuinely believe that Notre Dame with two losses should be ranked as the number one team in the country because the most impressive thing done by anyone this season is Notre Dame came close to beating Texas A ⁇ M.

Speaker 11 That that's the that they should get more credit for that than Texas AM gets for winning that game. Notre Dame should get more credit for losing the game than Texas A ⁇ M.

Speaker 5 That's so dumb.

Speaker 5 This is

Speaker 5 not new.

Speaker 5 This is a new story. This isn't new.

Speaker 17 Why are you surprised?

Speaker 5 They played.

Speaker 5 They played a football game. It's not the first time this has happened.
They played each other.

Speaker 11 I'm with Dan.

Speaker 5 I like this. You should get more credit for almost winning.
They look great against Navy. Than you do for

Speaker 5 The committee. Boy, they took it to Purdue.

Speaker 11 The committee should make Notre Dame favored against Ohio State because did you see how close they came to beating Texas saying I'm so close that I think they're better than Texas?

Speaker 3 Imagine if Miami had a close loss to Notre Dame.

Speaker 5 Whole thing is insane. Thank God Miami lost their dumb one earlier because they actually have a chance now.

Speaker 5 Because if they lost their dumb one at the last game of the season like they did last year, they wouldn't have had a shot. This part's great, right?

Speaker 11 Chris Cody looking up. Okay, everyone's talking, droning, college football head committee member is droning, and Chris Cody's just saying, oh,

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