Hour 1: The Crater Transaction

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Speaker 20 My dad says Jonathan Zandlow is a sucker.

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Speaker 14 But, I mean, I'm wondering for all the people having opinions, okay, and I don't see this particular thing happen very often, where the internet rises up, social media, international fandom rises up and says,

Speaker 14 that move that was just made in sports is so shocking that I know the executive to be a fool.

Speaker 14 And then a few months later, the organization after trading away, Luca says, you're right, that That executive is to blame. He needs to be fired.

Speaker 14 This sports story compares to what in terms of the internet getting to be right and feeling like Greg Cody singing Ethel Merman songs because everybody was right.

Speaker 14 Oh yeah, Dallas Mavericks, you didn't actually know what you were doing.

Speaker 16 Dan, I think Zach Harper said it best. Me and him did live radio on Series 6 M NBA Radio yesterday.

Speaker 16 And he said, the irony is on January 31st, 2025, if you polled NBA media, NBA personnel, NBA fans, how good of a job has Nico Harrison done as general manager of the Mavericks?

Speaker 16 Overwhelmingly, people say, this guy's done a great job. He's done a great job.
He's really, you know, he drafted Derek Lively.

Speaker 21 Great trades in the final.

Speaker 16 TJ Washington and Daniel Gafford and like, oh, and the Kyrie Irving trade, which was a little bit like risque at the time, but totally paid off.

Speaker 13 Not a little bit.

Speaker 14 That wasn't a little bit risky at the time.

Speaker 14 That was a home run.

Speaker 16 Yeah, yes, a home run in terms of the amount amount of risk and the payoff.

Speaker 16 It's the awesome thing. And it's like, yeah, this guy's done a great job.
And 48 hours later, you're the worst general manager of all time.

Speaker 16 Dan, I used to do this thing where I explained to people what front office work really is. It's like, I say, look, anyone could say, yeah, I'll take LeBron.
That's easy. It's a no-brainer.

Speaker 16 Real front office work is all the minutiae and the details and finding these weird players and pieces from all over the world. Front office work isn't Duke versus North Carolina.

Speaker 16 It's Iona versus Maritz.

Speaker 10 Front office work finding Davion Mitchell.

Speaker 16 Right. Like, it's stuff like that, right? That's what I always just say, that's front office work.
And now Nico ruined that completely because apparently the no-brainer stuff is pretty important too.

Speaker 16 It's just, it's just ridiculous. Dan, dare I say it? It's on the Mount Rushmore of worst transactions in NBA history.
We can

Speaker 14 have said that when it happened.

Speaker 16 Yes, that you're absolutely right. So one of the things that is pretty shocking is sometimes things in hindsight are bad.
So I'll give you a great example.

Speaker 16 The Clippers trading all that stuff for Paul George in order to sign Kawhi Leonard. At the time, we were like, Steve Price, but wow, what a gutsy move.
Wow, they've really moved their names into

Speaker 16 the echelons of like championship contention, right?

Speaker 16 And now we look back like, oh, my God, they're still paying off the picks. And the guy that they traded is the MVP and the finals MVP and all that.

Speaker 10 I mean, in hindsight right now, essentially the Clippers trading Norman Powell for Bradley Beal and John Collins.

Speaker 16 Bad move. Bad move.
Bad move, right? It's a bad move. But the reality is

Speaker 16 Luka Dantich,

Speaker 16 the moment it happened, Dan, it was so outrageous that people literally were texting and calling Sean saying, yo, you got hacked. Think about how outrageous it has to be.

Speaker 16 For not even people to say, oh, this is NBA Center. They called the source and told him, yo, there's something wrong with your social media.
Someone's having fun with your account.

Speaker 16 That's how ridiculous it was. In the moment, Dan, I went to All-Star Weekend and I had presidents of basketball operations and GMs come up to me and say, what are they doing?

Speaker 16 Not on a, oh, I can't believe they do it.

Speaker 17 What are they doing? But like.

Speaker 16 Serious curiosity.

Speaker 16 No, tell me because as a front office person, your usual inclination is if something happened that is unexplainable on the surface, that means there's some shit happening behind closed doors that nobody knows about.

Speaker 16 And so clearly there must be something more to the story. Nine months later, Dan, we realized there was nothing more to the story.
He just thought that was a good deal.

Speaker 14 But that's not new, Amin. The thing that I'm sort of blown back by on the mushroom cloud of this is it happens.
It's seismic. We all back away from it dumbfounded.
Everyone has the same opinion.

Speaker 14 There are no dissenters on a sports opinion. This is something you do not do.

Speaker 14 And then eight months later, they're like, yeah, something happened in the last eight months that makes this fireball, even though that wasn't fireball while we were all calling it fireball.

Speaker 14 Things like this don't happen.

Speaker 11 I mean, I mean, people aren't ever this unpopular.

Speaker 2 They put emergency stairs next to his seat so he can

Speaker 13 get out of there quicker.

Speaker 11 Like on...

Speaker 15 When they travel on the road, people are drowning the lower bowl out with Fire Nico.

Speaker 10 Their own fans hate their team.

Speaker 15 I mean, they're struggling. Like, he is so unpopular.

Speaker 13 One of them.

Speaker 16 One of the things that I think has to be marveled at here is

Speaker 14 how badly ownership miscalculated the importance of the emotional relationship that a region has with this player so that the betrayal is so seismic that you're firing somebody eight months late for what they did eight months ago because you underestimated what the reaction would be.

Speaker 16 So Dan, this is, I've talked about this also, like the idea of crater transactions. And what I mean by that is it is so deeply hurtful to the to the fan base that it never comes back.

Speaker 16 A great example of this is Dominique Wilkins. In 1994, the Hawks had the number one record in the Eastern Conference.
They had a couple of games after the best record in the league.

Speaker 16 And they traded Dominique Wilkins

Speaker 16 for Danny Manning, who was going to be a free agent at the end of the year and ends up leaving at the end of the year. Spoiler alert, right?

Speaker 10 By the way, he'd almost traded Glenn Rice before that for Danny Manning.

Speaker 16 Yeah. Hot tip.
Danny Manning was the guy.

Speaker 16 So, Dan. Useless information.

Speaker 14 I know.

Speaker 16 Not to me. I love him.

Speaker 15 I remember. You were on that beat in the Herald.

Speaker 10 Not to me.

Speaker 16 Dominique Wilkins, homegrown, went to UGA.

Speaker 16 Like, Atlanta loved him. And Atlanta loved...
Hawks basketball, right?

Speaker 16 And Dominique Wilkins was this guy, and he went up against Bird toe-to-toe in a game seven and had the incredible scoring back to back.

Speaker 16 And then he had the dunk contest battles with Michael Jordan and held his own and beat him and all that stuff. So Dominique was like Atlanta's identity.
And then they traded him.

Speaker 14 Across sports and generations, right? Like maybe the most famous athlete in Atlanta, not named Hank Aaron.

Speaker 16 No, Deion Sanders. Like there's a lot of names.
But Dominique was first. At that moment, at that moment in time, Dominique was everything, right?

Speaker 16 You know, Hank Aaron, obviously, for societal cultural reasons, but like Dominique was like, yeah, because he's ours.

Speaker 16 They traded him, and the team was still good like it's not like they fell off a cliff but the fan base resented it and to this day they have problems with attendance because that that was a crater inducing transaction they killed NBA basketball in that city for three decades because they made a deal that did not take into account what these people had you could argue the Marlins have had several crater transactions but the one that did me in was the one with the Blue Jays and then they won that trade but it didn't even matter and the Deshaun Watson thing totally created created my fandom right but but it didn't crater well it created the team and the NFL is a different animal like I'm talking about a transaction that is so outrageous you have fans leaving in droves like and never coming back it's 2025 he got traded in 1994 they still haven't come back not not to the levels it was at the Omni right another example this a little different I talked about it a couple weeks ago I think George Shin was the owner of the Hornets and he was just an awful person and the fans in Charlotte, which, Dan, you remember this.

Speaker 16 Charlotte used to be a model NBA market.

Speaker 17 Look at how fervent these people are.

Speaker 10 Those games were so fervent.

Speaker 13 I love NBA basketball.

Speaker 16 The hive sitting on the top of that hill, right, with the parking lot. I went to the last game, went out there, 20,000 people in that parking lot.
Went inside, maybe 5,000 people.

Speaker 16 They hated, they hated. what they had done to the Hornets and this man in particular.
He moves the Hornets to New Orleans. They bring the team back as as the Bobcats.

Speaker 16 Bobcats change their name to the Hornets. Guess what? It still has never come back.
They've never gotten to the levels that they had back in the 90s and the early 2000s.

Speaker 21 Is that what's going to happen to the Mavericks?

Speaker 16 They, well, given that they fired him this quickly, I'm wondering if they got out in time. But if this thing had continued, if you let this guy continue to do these things, who knows?

Speaker 16 Maybe it would have been created because remember, new ownership group, no one's fond of them. They're not locals.
No one feels an affinity to them.

Speaker 16 And then this guy comes in and he does, like I said, a Mount Rushmore worst deal of all time. Dan, if I give you two other transactions, you tell me what's worse than this one, right?

Speaker 16 So we got Luca for Anthony Davis in a first-round pick. You have James Worthy, or the number one overall pick basically that became James Worthy for Don Ford and a first-round pick.

Speaker 16 Or you have Joe Barry Carroll for Robert Parrish and a first-round pick that was Kevin McHale. What's the worst trade of all time? I need a fourth.
I'm still looking for a fourth.

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Speaker 14 The part about this that is truly,

Speaker 14 really something that is stupefying to me as somebody who's watched sports all his life

Speaker 14 is to have an ownership so disconnected from whatever the emotion of sports is, their business. It's the emotion business.
So, that of all of the people that you mentioned there,

Speaker 14 the one with the greatest promise that that gives you, wait a minute, for 10 years, we get to have a guy,

Speaker 14 we get to have a guy who might be an all-timer, we get to watch him grow up. This is the beginning of our relationship with him.

Speaker 14 We are going to only grow this over 10 years because when he hurts, we will hurt with him. And if he finally wins, he's ours.
We saw it from the beginning.

Speaker 14 This is the best of the players you're talking about.

Speaker 14 Like, this kind of trade is the modern day, it's the modern day trading of Babe Ruth that haunted the, you talk about crater trades that haunted the red sox for a hundred years how is it good business to literally do

Speaker 10 something that your entire customer base is going to hate

Speaker 16 like so here's the thing luca came into a situation where this franchise had grown to love dirk nowitsky eight billion years playing for the same team they saw him when he was a skinny teenager and then the champion and everything in between and they had the really really rare thing that doesn't always happen in sports where the passing of the torch, there is no dead period in between.

Speaker 16 Oh, what are we going to do? Larry Bird retired. Oh, like, oh, finally, here comes Paul Pierce 10 years later.
No, no, no. It was real time.

Speaker 16 We're teammates. My name is Dirk Novitsky.
His name is Luca. Boom.
Luca loved Dallas. He embraced Dallas, right?

Speaker 16 If there was any sort of rumbling that I'm like, this guy's looking somewhere else, he's not happy. I think it might have been different.

Speaker 16 But the fact that he was so ingrained there, that's the shocking thing for this again this fan base had gotten used to hey our stars don't leave So I think those are the things but Dan in order to move this story forward because I know everyone has pretty much said all these things I'd like to quote something from the sub stack of a guy I worked with in Phoenix Phoenix his name is Jeremiah Engelman.

Speaker 16 What do you say?

Speaker 16 He used to work for the Mavericks.

Speaker 16 He said the day after the Mavericks lost their final game with Golden State in the 2022 conference finals I met with Nico to formally quit my position and to have an exit interview.

Speaker 16 There, I warned Nico about some of the developments I had witnessed during his first year in office.

Speaker 16 In particular, that he did not have a good grasp of who he should trust and who, among those under him, were simply kissing ass.

Speaker 16 Nico had drowned out many of the voices who could provide perspective, including those at the department where I was an analyst.

Speaker 16 Instead of being willing to hear critical input, Nico had empowered people who had little basketball knowledge, and those tended to be people such as attorneys who had worked their way up this ladder thanks to Nico himself.

Speaker 16 These people stroked Nico's ego at every turn. So he surrounded himself with with yes men.
So you say, How could they, what bad business sensor?

Speaker 16 If everyone around you said, yeah, good idea, boss, and you literally worked to shield all the people who say opposing opinions, then all you're going to hear is like, yeah, this is a great idea.

Speaker 16 Yeah, he is fat and out of shape. Yeah, no, we should be.
Defense does win championships and all those ridiculous reasonings to do that deal.

Speaker 8 It's cutting a little close to the bone.

Speaker 10 And so this was in 2022. You said that?

Speaker 16 Yeah. Well,

Speaker 16 Jeremiah wrote that today or yesterday, but yes, he left in 2022.

Speaker 10 I mean, like, Cuban hired him, and Cuban was still the owner of the team and super involved when, for several years, when Nico Harrison is running the team that year, like, just slips under the cracks.

Speaker 16 Yeah, I mean, I think,

Speaker 16 again,

Speaker 16 he's talking about a point in time at the beginning of this, right?

Speaker 16 And so Mark Cuban's probably saying, oh, he's good. He's got a great relationship with people, et cetera, et cetera.
He's not coming to Mark with, let's trade Luca in 2022.

Speaker 14 I'm trying to think of most unpopular executives ever. I'm trying to

Speaker 14 think of, yeah, Jerry Krauss.

Speaker 10 Because he betrayed a Gretzky in Edmonton.

Speaker 14 Jerry Krauss, yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 15 That one's for them to climb back out of

Speaker 11 considering transactions.

Speaker 16 I forget his name.

Speaker 16 He ain't on the list then. He can't win this game.
Yeah.

Speaker 16 We got to know your name.

Speaker 11 Don't do the name three songs.

Speaker 2 It was a good point.

Speaker 14 Thanks, Mike.

Speaker 14 Nico Harrison will go down after, and I understand how it is you get lightheaded with the success of, we were praising those Mavs trades when they got to the finals and was thinking, oh, look, Luca got there a little faster than I thought.

Speaker 14 What's his suffering curve going to look like? How soon before he wins a championship the way Dirk does because that city, that town had invested emotionally in a player.

Speaker 14 Like, I really think that even everyone listening to this,

Speaker 8 I think we all underestimated what that relationship was.

Speaker 14 I don't think any of us would have said at the time of the trade, you know, Nico's going to need secret stairs to get out of the arena faster eight eight months from now because they're going to be death threats and the hostility is going to be such that the entire customer base is going to turn on the franchise anthony davis isn't going to play in any of the games they're not going to have any success whatsoever it's obviously going to be a disaster of a trade right from the beginning and he's going to need secret scare he's going to need secret stairs

Speaker 16 hatch but dan like here's the thing Part of it is how could you trade our prodigal son, right? But part of it is how could you trade him for that?

Speaker 16 If you come back with Anthony Edwards, they'd be upset, but they'd be like, all right, I kind of see your logic. I think Luca's better, but whatever.

Speaker 16 They didn't trade him for someone of equal status or equal age. They traded him for someone who's older.
And also, your whole thing is, I'm worried about Luca's durability.

Speaker 16 You can't then go out and get someone who is known for their lack of durability. It would be like saying, yo, I got to trade in my suburban because it doesn't get good gas mileage.

Speaker 16 And you trade it in. So what'd you get? What's the new car? It's a Hummer.

Speaker 10 like no you you got an older car that is a worth worse of a gas gustler it doesn't make sense dan anthony davis has been a dallas maverick for 48 games now you want to take a guess at how many games he's played uh 20 14.

Speaker 1 that's the guy not playing that game right that nico harrison identified as the that's why they only negotiate with the lakers that's the guy that he identified this is the guy that's going to help me win a championship right now well and when you're talking about loyalty like when you have someone you've grown attached to, that you've seen year after year, like imagine you're a fan of all my children and you've watched your favorite actress get nominated 18 times for an Emmy, and then they would have decided to cut her from the staff just before winning her 19th Emmy, Susan Lucci.

Speaker 24 Susan Lucci, who moved?

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Speaker 14 All my children? Is that still on? Is the soap opera, all my children, still on? What is the go-to soap opera that people go to now when

Speaker 14 you're doing it? It's still General Hospital?

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Speaker 14 Mad Dog Russo is a man of the people.

Speaker 14 He is speaking nothing but drooling truth here when he yells at the federal government because everyone's flights are delayed, airports are terrible, and he chooses all the right words and almost breaks character entirely when he starts talking about why is Donald Trump talking to Jonathan Vilma about the 2005 Saints.

Speaker 16 Flights are delayed and shout out to Joseph the bartender.

Speaker 24 All of you should be ashamed.

Speaker 24 Every single elected official on both sides of the aisle should look themselves in the mirror, how they let down the American public and made us a laughing stock around the world.

Speaker 24 Around this is not about winners and losers, who is right and who is wrong. This is about doing something good for the American people and say, you know what?

Speaker 24 All right, they're wrong, but I got to step up here and make sure that the air traffic controllers are there with aircraft and

Speaker 24 towers. Not saying, you know, your turn, LaGuardia, your turn, Kennedy.
Newark, it's been 40 minutes. Send a plane out that's been sitting here for 15 hours.
That's not the way this works.

Speaker 24 If you're the president of the United States or you're a Republican who controls everything, you do what's right for the American person, and they didn't do that.

Speaker 24 And the Democrats, you're dead wrong, too. The both of you.
You all go to hell. Every single one of you.

Speaker 14 That's the first part.

Speaker 24 I mean, it's ridiculous what they put us through. I mean, who knows how dangerous it was to fly with nobody in the freaking towers.
I mean, my God Almighty.

Speaker 24 And I got the president sitting there with freaking Vilma breaking down the 2003 Saints. I mean, you can't make this stuff up.
And chest bumping Vilma.

Speaker 24 When they got a 75-year-old who's been sitting at Miami International for three days, can't he's got hearing aids. He can't hear the announcements of when his Jet Blue flight takes off for Bozeman.

Speaker 24 Oh, my God, it's sickening. I can't stand it.

Speaker 24 I should move the hell out. I should be.
Who the one? Who, Susan Lucci? Who moved? No, Lingoria moved. I should do the same thing.
I'll do the show from Madrid. I'll do it live at 9 o'clock at night.

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Speaker 10 The towers.

Speaker 14 Put it on the poll. Are there any direct flights from Miami to Boastman? Because I don't believe there are.

Speaker 11 I don't even think we have Jet Blue at MIA. It's Port Lauderdale, right?

Speaker 12 I'll mine, guys.

Speaker 10 Tell you what, that 75-year-old man with the hearing aids was stuck in Miami International for three days. I'll bet he wasn't lying on the floor.

Speaker 15 That shit's disgusting.

Speaker 14 People are so mad at what's happening right now in the airports, and that general frustration that he just articulated is happening inside of everyone who's wandering around airports right now with seven, eight-hour, 10-hour delays.

Speaker 16 That's why I was in the lounge yesterday, chatting it up with Joseph, listening to him give his boost mobile hot take.

Speaker 5 Okay. Enough.

Speaker 14 Look,

Speaker 14 your bartender crafting a callback then.

Speaker 8 A boost mobile.

Speaker 14 Thank you, Chris, for, you know what?

Speaker 8 Hold on a second.

Speaker 13 Me?

Speaker 17 Yeah, you. Yes, you, because you're explaining to me that it's a callback.
Like,

Speaker 22 minor penalty, two minutes for explaining the show. Wow.

Speaker 22 You think I didn't get that he was trying to annoy me for the third time with the bartender who gave him a joke that we didn't use on the air?

Speaker 16 Shout out to Joseph.

Speaker 1 Run out of here like Jim Fix, Chris.

Speaker 10 Yo, stop trying to make Joseph a thing.

Speaker 16 Nobody cares. Hey, man, I look after my people.
I'm not like you, a user.

Speaker 3 I look after my people.

Speaker 16 Who have you looked after?

Speaker 10 Anyone who's my person has been looked after.

Speaker 13 Name one.

Speaker 10 It's too many to name.

Speaker 1 You threw trash at me.

Speaker 14 Okay, that's a callback.

Speaker 10 I deny that. There's no way that was true.

Speaker 13 Ask Tommy Tig.

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Speaker 21 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 10 John, can you rate my Al Pacino from that billiard scene in Carlito's Way if I do it for you?

Speaker 21 I think it's pretty good.

Speaker 5 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 9 Stugats.

Speaker 10 You think you're big time

Speaker 10 when you're gonna die?

Speaker 12 Big time.

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Speaker 27 That's a 7.6

Speaker 5 solid top down. Good job.

Speaker 13 That's a SUI nominee right there.

Speaker 9 This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

Speaker 14 For those of you who do not know, Zaszlo Show 2.0 is Jonathan Zaszlo's solo adventure.

Speaker 14 He is a toddler and his wife, how many times a week or month do you guys have date night?

Speaker 10 We try to go one night a week. You know, I travel on the weekends now during football season.
So yeah, one night a week.

Speaker 14 Okay, so one night a week, you're going on date night. And what is the, how long have you been doing this? And what is the philosophy behind the importance of date night?

Speaker 14 Because you're a very hard worker. So I imagine your wife is like, at least one night a week, we're not going to be watching the Panthers.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I mean, I think I I said the philosophy. I travel on the weekends during football season, so one night a week we try and go out.

Speaker 14 You did say the philosophy. I wasn't listening to you.
I was just

Speaker 14 thinking of thoughts in my own head.

Speaker 8 Regardless,

Speaker 14 the leaving yesterday on an important night.

Speaker 3 Yeah. That is.

Speaker 10 She was into it, too.

Speaker 14 You were going to be present and available and as sexy as you've ever been.

Speaker 10 Panthers weren't playing last night. Heat weren't playing last night.
Perfect night.

Speaker 13 What is you, sexy look like?

Speaker 28 Taste the taste of wetness.

Speaker 10 I mean,

Speaker 13 it's this it's that this is I can style you if you know you know I could do that for you I don't need that well do you no I don't need that well but what happened well

Speaker 14 you do need that

Speaker 10 I don't know what was wrong with what go ahead I mean you wear you dress like that on the day well yeah I was dressed like what I was wearing yesterday on the show all right because the day was yesterday she was dressed like this the Fetterman you hated that and she she wanted me to change uh I was wearing a Roman Reigns shirt all right that's Travel Chief right there and uh i was she's like you're wearing that i go yeah this is what i'm wearing and i was like yeah let's go and she she wouldn't let me keep my roman reigns shirt so she's like can i i'm gonna dress you i'm like no i don't need to be dressed this a great shirt roman reigns and she wouldn't let me wear it

Speaker 16 does she buy clothes for you or no no i bought my own clothes dog come on so all she's picking them picking from his different shirts like i think that was implied

Speaker 8 with the whole roman reigns shirt i think it was implied that she doesn't like what a great question from Amin.

Speaker 17 So you think that his wife put together today's outfit, do you?

Speaker 16 No, when she says you're not wearing that, you got to wear something else, it implies like she bought him regular clothes.

Speaker 16 And if he's taking the Roman Reigns shirt and putting on a John Cena shirt instead, hardly an upgrade, you know?

Speaker 10 Yeah, it's a lot of Panther shirts, some heat shirts, a lot of WWE shirts. That's my style, man.

Speaker 16 Well, that's what she fell in love with, to be fair.

Speaker 10 That's what I'm saying, man. Don't try and change me.

Speaker 16 What'd you wear to your wedding?

Speaker 11 Tuxedo shirt?

Speaker 16 And Jordan?

Speaker 16 How does this go over?

Speaker 14 How often does this happen? Like, this certainly, how long have you been married? Like, this is not the first time you've gone

Speaker 14 out on a date dressed as Zaz.

Speaker 21 Our wedding was,

Speaker 10 our anniversary was last month, and that was 18 years ago.

Speaker 21 You were at my wedding.

Speaker 14 And yes, I do.

Speaker 14 I remember going to your wedding, and now that I think about it, you were wearing a tuxedo, but your wardrobe since then has just been 18 years of collecting sports shirts and wrestling shirts.

Speaker 14 How often does she tell you to change the attire? How often do you comply in the changing of attire?

Speaker 10 She really doesn't tell me that often. That's look, we got a good thing going here, the two of us, you know? I don't tell her what to wear.
She doesn't tell me what to wear.

Speaker 14 But last night was a bridge too far?

Speaker 10 Last night, you know what I think it was? We were going to a restaurant. We were going to a bar where there was going to be a bunch of people from her work there.
So that's not a date night.

Speaker 10 We got news for you. No, no, we sat the two of us at the bar.

Speaker 21 We did not sit with the work people. All right.
We sat there.

Speaker 10 They were in the same place, though. No, they were at tables.
We were at the bar doing our own thing. It was a date, alright? You don't know what a date is.
I know what a date is.

Speaker 10 So last night she, yeah, I guess she didn't want me wearing my Roman Reigns shirt.

Speaker 11 It's a conversation piece.

Speaker 10 That's what I'm saying. It says, acknowledge me.

Speaker 13 You know about that tribal chief? I know. I know.

Speaker 16 You know about that Ulafala.

Speaker 14 Do you guys want to play? Do you know about that?

Speaker 15 Are you ready to play?

Speaker 13 Always ready. You're always ready to play.

Speaker 14 You know about that?

Speaker 15 Born ready.

Speaker 16 Really? Always ready.

Speaker 14 I want you to imagine Zazla right now in a Roman Reigns shirt. The confidence of a man who can tell whoever it is in his life that is telling him how to dress.
No, you will not dress me.

Speaker 14 And then go to the closet and get dressed the way that he's supposed to.

Speaker 14 Who are you directing? Do you know about that?

Speaker 12 At.

Speaker 1 It's Amin. Do you know about that, Dan?

Speaker 10 It's You Know About That. That's right.
Another edition of You Know About That. Amin is here with us in studio, so it's a good opportunity for us to go over some of the big stories of the NBA.

Speaker 10 Welcome to another edition of You Know about that ha ha

Speaker 14 you ready amin I'm always ready what is that was that your game show yeah was that that was you applying for the job of Jeremy Tashay Mario Lopez game show host the fake laugh yeah gonna have to work on that all right amin is always ready not so easy huh unless you ask me about michelle beetle

Speaker 14 amin

Speaker 10 draymond green Very upset last night talking about players' agendas. I don't know.
Who do you think he was talking about? Maybe Steph Steph Curry? You know about that agenda?

Speaker 16 I know about the agenda. The speculation is that he's talking about Jonathan Kaminga, who is young and up and coming.
And sometimes the follies of youth demand greater than what the team is requiring.

Speaker 16 And so I think him and Jimmy were probably both talking about him. I can't think of anyone else.
Not Steph Curry?

Speaker 16 No, it's not about Steph Curry.

Speaker 10 All right. Sounds like you know about that player agenda.
All right. Amin,

Speaker 10 the NBA announced yesterday the new all-star format it's the us versus the world bunch of cockamamie ideas for how they're gonna pick the teams and uh play in this many quarters you know about that new cockamami all-star format Yes, first of all, shout out to the cock that because they'll be airing all the all-star festivities this year.

Speaker 16 The format basically is you're still going to vote for 24 all-stars. They'll split them up into three different teams of eight.
Two of them are world, excuse me, USA teams.

Speaker 16 One of them is a world team. Here's the thing though, guys.
This year, there are no positions. So in years past, you get two guards and three front court.
None of that. It's just 24 all-stars.

Speaker 16 Now, the part that I don't get is what happens if we have nine foreign players are really good.

Speaker 16 Or what if we have six foreign players are really good and like two guys are just kind of like, all right, you know about those uneven players?

Speaker 2 I'm honestly a little bit more worried about the Americans at this point.

Speaker 16 Can we not get 16 American players? Yeah.

Speaker 10 All right. Sounds like you know about that new all-star format.
Amin, the Dallas Mavericks lost again

Speaker 21 two nights ago at home.

Speaker 15 They're terrible at home.

Speaker 10 The Mavericks, they were blaming the fans' behavior that they're chanting for the GM to be fired. It's not a home court adventure.
They're blaming the fans for a lack of wins. You know about that?

Speaker 16 I didn't know about them blaming the fans.

Speaker 14 It is, you know, about that. He just said, you know about that.

Speaker 8 It's, you know, about that.

Speaker 14 It is, you know, about that. Why'd you correct me?

Speaker 10 You know about that?

Speaker 8 It is, you know, about that. You said, do you know about that? You know about about that.

Speaker 13 Yeah, the did, do.

Speaker 11 You say it like a dork.

Speaker 16 Like an undercover cop.

Speaker 16 Did they did they blame the fans?

Speaker 17 I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 16 I don't see that. I saw the part where a failed.

Speaker 3 Cooper Vlag's mom retweeted it.

Speaker 16 Well, Cooper Black's mom is not the maths, respectfully.

Speaker 8 All right. Respectfully.
Okay, so he did know about that or he didn't know about that. I didn't know about that.

Speaker 10 Yeah, no, I mean, he didn't know about that.

Speaker 12 All right.

Speaker 10 Amin, the Celtics. Dropped a 5-7

Speaker 10 after last night's loss to the Sixers. You know about those 200-500 Celtics?

Speaker 16 I do know about that. And this is the part that I've been, I can't lie, I've been waiting for for years.
Oh, yeah. This is the Mike McDanielization

Speaker 16 of Joe Missoula because all that cute stuff.

Speaker 1 Not so cute anymore.

Speaker 16 He ain't so cute anymore.

Speaker 13 Lambers in the media game. That was fun.
Oh, yeah,

Speaker 16 we're going to beat them. All right, how about you beat the Sixers?

Speaker 15 How about you do that?

Speaker 12 Wow.

Speaker 2 God, Cooper, get a nickname, hurry.

Speaker 10 Sounds like you know about that, Amin. Amin,

Speaker 10 John Morant

Speaker 10 is shooting just 35% on the season after going four for 14 in last night's loss at the Knicks.

Speaker 10 You know about that John Morant who can't shoot anymore?

Speaker 16 I know all about that. And last night is cementing in my head.
He wants out because it felt like at times, like, this is a guy on strike.

Speaker 16 This isn't a guy who's, I'm trying my best and I can't fit.

Speaker 17 It's like, you know what?

Speaker 16 To hell with this system, to hell with this team. I'm going to do whatever.
I'm good.

Speaker 3 Eight turnovers.

Speaker 16 Eight turnovers. You know what? I know all about that.
I also know about who are the teams that have been picking up the phone and making a little call.

Speaker 8 Well, give it to us.

Speaker 16 Happen to know.

Speaker 8 Give it. Wait a minute.

Speaker 8 Wait a minute.

Speaker 14 You can't bury a happen-to-know on John Moranthis late in the show inside of a twisting your nose. Do you know about that?

Speaker 25 He happens to know.

Speaker 27 Great Scott.

Speaker 25 He happens to know. He happens to know.

Speaker 12 Gather, everyone.

Speaker 25 Get the children. He happens to know.

Speaker 17 So wise.

Speaker 13 Dan,

Speaker 16 both the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Sacramento Kings are monitoring the situation and making calls

Speaker 10 with the Memphis Grizzlies. Monitoring.

Speaker 25 Monitoring. Oh my God, he knows.

Speaker 12 He happens to know.

Speaker 16 Come, everyone.

Speaker 25 Come and listen.

Speaker 15 He happens to know.

Speaker 27 Well informed.

Speaker 16 Talked to John Krasinski of the Associated Press the other day. Yeah.
Not that John Krasinski. And the office.

Speaker 6 He was great on the office.

Speaker 16 Not that one.

Speaker 14 You're giving up your sources. Happen to know protects the sources.

Speaker 16 Oh, he said it on air. It wasn't.

Speaker 8 It was a web run.

Speaker 14 So it's a happen to know that you're borrowing from someone who already happened to know, happened to say?

Speaker 16 Well, no, he didn't happen to say I asked him on air because he did on my show. His question.
I questioned.

Speaker 6 I got the answer. Ipso facto.

Speaker 16 And unlike some scared journalists out here, I do my question asking out in the air.

Speaker 8 Wow. In public.

Speaker 8 Out in the air.

Speaker 14 Are we done with Do You You Have? Nope.

Speaker 10 Not one more. I mean, I'm not done yet, Dan.
The Detroit Pistons are 9-2.

Speaker 10 They host the 6-4 Chicago Bulls tonight. You know about M.
Pistons?

Speaker 16 I know about the Pistons. And I've been dying to talk about this because everyone was swooning about Cade Cunningham's gutsy performance, 46 points, and an overtime win over the watch.

Speaker 8 He took a lot of shots.

Speaker 17 He missed 31 shots. He didn't take 31 shots.

Speaker 16 If he took 31 shots, we'd be like, wow, you shot a lot. He missed 31 field goals against one of the top five or bottom five worst defenses in the entire NBA.
How?

Speaker 16 How do you miss 31 shots against the catch?

Speaker 6 Off night. You know how that goes.

Speaker 8 That's off?

Speaker 17 31 shots missed.

Speaker 14 He sounds like he knows about that.

Speaker 10 Amin, I'm going to tell you something.

Speaker 16 Yes.

Speaker 10 You know about that.

Speaker 12 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 14 Do you know about that Doug Christie press conference, Amin?

Speaker 16 Sorry, could you repeat the question?

Speaker 14 Do you know about, do you know about that Doug Christie press conference?

Speaker 16 Oh my God, this one was last night. Now, they got their heads caved in by the Denver Nuggets.
Expected, right? The Kings are not off to a great start. Again, I would have thought expected.

Speaker 16 This is how Doug Christie literally started his press conference.

Speaker 12 Good evening, good evening.

Speaker 23 Some of you guys, I think everybody in here knows me.

Speaker 23 If you don't, my name is Douglas Dale Christie. I'm head coach of the Sacramento Kings.
Okay?

Speaker 23 Change is hard, y'all. We're about to work at it like crazy.
We totally get that. And it'll be bumpy.

Speaker 12 It will.

Speaker 23 Because change is like that.

Speaker 12 But buckle up. For the real ones, buckle up.

Speaker 23 And for all the rest of you, you know who you are, you know how I feel about that.

Speaker 16 When I see

Speaker 23 the hate, the haters, the fakers, all you guys, you keep that energy. That's good.
You keep that. And you know who you are.

Speaker 23 Because while you're doing that, we're going to be working.

Speaker 23 And while you're doing that, we're going to be growing.

Speaker 23 And while you do that, eventually, we're going to be coming.

Speaker 23 We're going to be coming. The King Show.

Speaker 12 Sac Proud,

Speaker 23 know that.

Speaker 16 Ten games into the season, Dan.

Speaker 16 Ten games into the season.

Speaker 16 In the context, they got their ass beat up.

Speaker 13 In the context is they suck. How many kids? They suck.
They're the Sacramento Kings.

Speaker 11 How many times did he practice that?

Speaker 16 Oh, my God.

Speaker 16 Mike turned to me and said, is he beefing with Stephen A. Smith also?

Speaker 5 It sounds like he's beefing with Stephen A.

Speaker 14 But the segment that is

Speaker 14 Do You Know That ends with Doug Christie saying know that and threatening us, like threatening us.

Speaker 16 Yes, by the way, it's not Doug Christie, it's Douglas Dale Christie.

Speaker 2 And when he workshopped it, he's like, pound the table at the end.

Speaker 12 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 8 Sack proud.

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