Local Hour: The Half Mental Health Day

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Speaker 11 Chris, I need your help today because I've got over over the years, as a savvy, crafty veteran, over the years I've gotten

Speaker 11 little softeners on the tone, on my tone, you know, my dad or your dad. Like, I gotta soften the tone around here.
Miami's obnoxious. I'm obnoxious.
I'm strident.

Speaker 11 And we don't have the tone softeners we need today given the general enthusiasm around the heat.

Speaker 11 I don't think the nation is ready for heat enthusiasm with Mike being the third place heat homer around here. Third place heat homer because Jeremy comes in.

Speaker 11 And it's not just because

Speaker 11 the heat are exciting. It's also what's happening in Golden State that adds to all the soap opera stuff in that sport.
But

Speaker 11 I don't want to get to it

Speaker 11 before I tell people that you can't follow me around annoying me more by saying your father's hello because it's now stuck in your head completely and you can't stop saying it. And it's annoying.

Speaker 1 I must have said it 42 times yesterday.

Speaker 11 And I think, is Zaslow, have you been afflicted with this too? Somebody else was saying around here that they were also afflicted with it.

Speaker 12 Just beautiful.

Speaker 11 That is the sound of your dad at his most right.

Speaker 11 It's like the scene from Airplane. That guy thinks he's Ethel Merman.

Speaker 11 He dragged it because that is what your dad has been doing to celebrate I'm right about something. It's his happiest form of happiness.

Speaker 3 Hello.

Speaker 11 So I need softeners like that today because Jeremy's obnoxious and Zaz is obnoxious. Do you know how hard it is for Mike to be the third most obnoxious person in any room?

Speaker 11 He's fighting right now.

Speaker 6 I got my money on Mike.

Speaker 11 He's a riser.

Speaker 14 He comes to play.

Speaker 11 You guys are so excited about this Heat team and it makes me think that tonight's game against the Cleveland Cavs or what's left of them, the parts of the Cavs that are not in Louisville.

Speaker 12 That bullshit.

Speaker 11 Don't even get me starter this might be the best night that the heat has ever felt

Speaker 11 just everything that's happening in golden state combined with what miami is feeling not just this season this might be the high point of heat feelings around here i even jeremy is aware that tonight may very well be the peak of the heat don't forget the feist night jersey's coming back tonight and see you don't want see this this is not what they're back tonight and zazlo port zaszlo might be more of a homer He might be more of a homer.

Speaker 11 And I got the president of Heat Island. Amin is here, too.
Like, do you realize it's too early?

Speaker 2 Fourth place.

Speaker 6 It's too early.

Speaker 11 I thought you'd been promoted to president. You're just mayor? No, I stepped down famously after a scandal.
The autocrat of Heat Island.

Speaker 11 I'm the mom Donnie of Heat Island, though.

Speaker 11 This is going to be obnoxious, Chris. You and I are going to be the reasonable ones.
Like the heat, what feels better this year? Warriors losses on the road or heat wins?

Speaker 11 Because Because they're already sinking in Golden State. They already hate each other.
Like, it doesn't usually leak out of the locker room this early in a season.

Speaker 3 Hello.

Speaker 22 I mean, if we're being real about stuff, you're barely qualified to talk about the Miami Heat.

Speaker 15 You told us to all calm down about the Norm Powell trade.

Speaker 22 That's not true.

Speaker 25 No, yeah, you did.

Speaker 25 Yeah, you said like this.

Speaker 22 You wanted the franchise to do something and Norm Powell is what satiates you?

Speaker 25 That's what you said.

Speaker 27 That's what you said.

Speaker 11 You said it like that, too.

Speaker 1 Should have listened to Greg. He knew that was a good trade.

Speaker 3 Hello.

Speaker 1 This is the Don Labatar Show with the Stu Gats Podcast.

Speaker 11 Basketball is back, Jack, in Miami. And it's been a minute since this particular feeling was here where you get caught up in the emotions of, oh, you got Hope and a

Speaker 11 overachieving underdog over here that was down for a year when Jimmy Butler was here.

Speaker 11 And then on the other side of the country, you've got the Golden State Warriors, and it's early for those whimpers to be coming out of a champion locker room when Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green are in that locker room.

Speaker 11 And what you just saw happen last night, as if you didn't see it with the championship last year, is holy shit.

Speaker 11 One of those teams is old, and one of those teams is young, and OKC,

Speaker 11 is dragging the entire league, winning most of its games that way, except for the first first couple that they took to overtime.

Speaker 11 And Golden State, I don't think they got old fast, but that's what old looks like. And that is a feisty, stubborn champion.
So let's just get to some of this sound, okay?

Speaker 11 Let's get first to Jimmy Butler's sound. This is awfully early in the season for any of this to already be happening.
So here's Jimmy Butler after that game. Good luck with all of this, Golden State.

Speaker 30 Honestly, I just think that the fight's not always there. You know, they're not making signs.

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 30 Getting us an out to not guard, whatever, why, whatever reason that may be.

Speaker 30 We've got to fight no matter what.

Speaker 30 I think most of that fighting I'm talking about is on the DPA. And I can stop and just not play it hard.
You're just not going whenever it takes away.

Speaker 30 How do you get that fight back? I don't know.

Speaker 8 I haven't figured it out.

Speaker 19 Ah, the loud, ambient hum of all the data centers they're building in that state.

Speaker 11 They've lost at Portland, Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Sacramento, Denver, and OKC. Their starters last night combined for 45 points.
Their starters last night.

Speaker 11 So compare that with, now, Andrew Wiggins, for you guys' criticism of my heat analysis, I thought Andrew Wiggins was brought here to be something like what Norman Powell has been.

Speaker 11 That's what I thought was coming.

Speaker 11 I thought that he was, I thought when they traded for Andrew Wiggins. Andrew Wiggins.
Andrew Wiggins?

Speaker 2 Andrew Wiggins? The former number one pick, Andrew Wiggins?

Speaker 33 The Canadian.

Speaker 11 That one? The one that was in Minnesota with Cat?

Speaker 11 The one that Glenn Taylor said, I'll give you the max, but you have to promise to play harder.

Speaker 15 Surely you can't beat.

Speaker 11 You thought he was going to come here like, guys, I've won a championship. Listen to me.
Here, hey, I'll help you, young guy. You thought that was Andrew Wiggins?

Speaker 16 That's not who he is.

Speaker 19 He must be thinking of a different one.

Speaker 15 There is a Wiggins.

Speaker 6 Yeah, there is another one.

Speaker 22 That one.

Speaker 8 Another one.

Speaker 11 Oklahoma City, and he won a championship, too. So maybe.

Speaker 33 Maybe.

Speaker 11 I thought Andrew Wiggins was coming here to be a number one scorer and grow into the role the way he players do when they get somewhere, come from somewhere as underachievers. Yes, I believed.

Speaker 11 Am I an idiot for believing that that's why they traded for him and how they traded for him?

Speaker 1 That may have been why they traded for him last year, but I think they quickly realized Andrew Wiggins as your top scoring option is. awful.

Speaker 1 And this year, when Andrew Wiggins is like your fourth or fifth option, I like that guy.

Speaker 11 That's not why they traded for Andrew. All right, so here's Andrew Wiggins so you can compare vibes between locker rooms here.
We're going to go back and forth.

Speaker 11 Here's Andrew Wiggins talking about the Heats locker room.

Speaker 34 You know, even though having some guys out, you know, we're still able to do what we're doing because of the system we're in and the guys are all just stepping up and, you know, doing it all collectively.

Speaker 34 You know, the culture they're doing a great job getting us in position to, you know, be successful and all the guys coming with that mentality that this is going to be a hard place to win.

Speaker 34 You know, eat basketball, but we have to be physical. This is going to be a hard-fought game, the whole game.

Speaker 11 So we're already going to start with the culture talk again, right?

Speaker 26 Hard place to win.

Speaker 1 Right now, it's an impossible place to win. Undefeated at home.
That's an impossible place to win.

Speaker 11 I want to get to tonight's game against the Cavs. What the Cavs are doing is offensive.
This part of basketball is offensive. They've got a home and home that's not even at their home.

Speaker 1 Second leg of home and home.

Speaker 11 And they're not playing their key players in Donovan Mitchell's in Louisville last night. And all of that is just not great that nobody's respecting the regular season that way.

Speaker 11 The Cavs know they're good. They know they're going to make the playoffs.
This is as easy as you can make it. It's four days in Miami.

Speaker 11 You don't have to fly anywhere. You can just play two games in Miami.
There's no reason for Donovan Mitchell to sit out this game when he's flying to Louis. Not a back-to-back.

Speaker 11 I mean, he wants to watch his alma mater play.

Speaker 33 Come on, guys.

Speaker 11 What is the stick-in-the-mud stuff you guys are doing? He'll be back.

Speaker 17 Here's the entire list of people that are apparently out for Cleveland.

Speaker 1 I didn't even know this.

Speaker 19 Darius Garland, Donovan Mitchell.

Speaker 24 Donovan Mitchell's out for rest. Oh, God.

Speaker 16 Evan Mobley out for rest.

Speaker 31 Oh my God.

Speaker 17 Max Struss injured with a foot injury. Jalen Tyson, Larry Nance Jr.

Speaker 12 Why are people?

Speaker 19 Why are people out for rest when the NBA has done this thing that we typically haven't seen in its history where it's back to like the 1940s of travel?

Speaker 2 We're in town.

Speaker 16 We're going to treat it like a baseball series.

Speaker 6 So we're going to mitigate the travel issues.

Speaker 16 So you don't actually have to be out due to rest because you're not traveling.

Speaker 11 And it's not even back to back.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 37 There's a day in between.

Speaker 22 You're staying in the same city and to avoid the wear and tear that the travel day will put on a superstar's body, Donovan Mitchell says, I'm going to travel to Louisville.

Speaker 11 So it is a back-to-back because tomorrow they go home to go play Toronto. So

Speaker 11 these guys are sitting on the front end of this back-to-back is basically what they're doing.

Speaker 1 All right, that's fair, but still, we're 11 games into the season, I mean.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I mean, I don't think that

Speaker 11 the rest and recovery thing is dictated by where we are in the season. They're doing all sorts of biometrics measurements to know about load and what.

Speaker 1 You feel like that's working. Guys are always hurt.
You feel like that's working?

Speaker 11 No. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 15 I don't know.

Speaker 11 I don't know if that's the reason why guys are always hurt or not, but guys are hurt.

Speaker 24 It's their job. You buy a ticket, see the stars.

Speaker 11 Play basketball. I don't understand.

Speaker 2 That's it.

Speaker 38 This is dumb.

Speaker 19 The league has gone out of its way to schedule games like this to mitigate this, and teams are not listening.

Speaker 11 But they're on on a back-to-back. Like,

Speaker 11 your point would be right if they didn't have a back-to-back.

Speaker 19 But the back-to-back is tomorrow.

Speaker 29 I don't.

Speaker 11 So they're going to sit one of them. They always don't.
Here's the thing. If I'm Cleveland and you're telling me, hey, there are people in the city of Miami who would love to see the Cavs play, right?

Speaker 11 And it's like, okay, do I sit them out? in Toronto where like, hey, we're there, or in Miami, where they already saw me two nights ago.

Speaker 11 If you're going to make the decision, if you're going to do Sophie's choice, the second Miami night is the one that you kick to the card.

Speaker 16 Basketball players literally spend all their free time playing basketball.

Speaker 16 They play like eight games during the summer.

Speaker 18 This is so dumb.

Speaker 1 Let me ask you something. I mean, since you're someone who worked in an NBA office before, it's a back-to-back.
You're right. I didn't realize that.

Speaker 11 A front office. Not just an office.
It wasn't just, well, at the beginning, it was just an NBA office. It wasn't even an office at the beginning.
But okay, so

Speaker 11 it's not just an NBA office.

Speaker 18 Oh, did I say just an office? I didn't say front-off.

Speaker 15 Look,

Speaker 11 I would be totally fine if a mean credentials was just graphically once worked in an NBA office. Yes, I would think that that's the way we should present

Speaker 15 to the world.

Speaker 12 I apologize.

Speaker 11 It was a front office eventually.

Speaker 1 That's disrespectful. I mean,

Speaker 1 you got a back-to-back. It's the first night of a back-to-back, also the second leg of a home and home at Miami.
But anyway, that's neither here nor there.

Speaker 1 Why can't these players like Donovan Mitchell, like Evan Mobley, why can't they just play a second half tonight?

Speaker 11 The second half of the the game? Yeah, why not?

Speaker 1 It's back-to-back, so they don't want to play, you don't want to play a whole game here and a whole game there, so why don't they just play the second half tonight?

Speaker 2 And the numbies play 20 minutes.

Speaker 1 Why don't the numbies get affected? There you go.

Speaker 11 There you go. Well, but also, it's not efficient in any way, and you're not resting your body that day if you have to play half of an NBA game.

Speaker 11 Playing 20 minutes in an NBA game might not be as hard as 40 minutes, but

Speaker 11 it's not going to be a rest day.

Speaker 11 It's a crate.

Speaker 1 Well, it shouldn't be a rest day.

Speaker 11 You have work. What you're saying is a lunacy idea.

Speaker 11 Your idea makes no sense to get a player actual rest what sense you made that why do they have to rest it's a workday you but you made that point as if you were coming down with a genius idea

Speaker 41 the rest that's what the day off is for yeah this is a work day

Speaker 35 they they they had veterans day off they had they they had the day off that that's so they get the rest from playing basketball they got that yesterday out of the whole year 82 nights are workdays.

Speaker 1 Every other night's a rest day.

Speaker 41 All of them.

Speaker 1 So I'm even giving you a situation where, you know what? Because you have two work days in a row, God forbid people work two work days in a row.

Speaker 1 Because you have two work days in a row, maybe you only play the second half of the game tonight. So you do a half a work day.

Speaker 39 Why the second half?

Speaker 41 Well, because you want to have your good players for the second half.

Speaker 18 Early release day.

Speaker 26 Early release day.

Speaker 11 He's doing half day. He's giving.
But why the second half?

Speaker 26 We're going to be like a half a mental health day.

Speaker 11 Do the first half. Imagine if we had a half a work day and we all had to show up at like four o'clock in the afternoon.
That makes no sense.

Speaker 35 One star gets the first half, the other star gets the second half.

Speaker 2 Mobley, you sit out the second.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but Chris is right. Chris is right.
That's why it doesn't happen.

Speaker 42 You were wrong.

Speaker 40 I'm very robbed. Innovative.

Speaker 43 What are you suggesting?

Speaker 1 I can't wait till a league listens to this and they all do it.

Speaker 41 And I'm sitting here with a big smile on my face.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to do it, I told you so, but it'll be a smile on my face because I know that I was innovative.

Speaker 11 What you're suggesting is patently ridiculous, okay? The second half of an NBA game is a very vigorous physical activity.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 11 And when you say players are only working 82 days, that's not true. Travel days are work days.

Speaker 13 They're work days around here. They're work days at companies.

Speaker 11 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Who cares? You sit on a plane, you play poker.

Speaker 24 Vigorous.

Speaker 35 Everybody's played basketball.

Speaker 19 Let's stop acting like it's a five-round UFC fight.

Speaker 11 Oh, but you guys keep making the basketball you've played like it's the basketball they play. Amin, that's not the why.

Speaker 18 I get way more tired when I play basketball than when I played.

Speaker 40 I'm so tired when I play.

Speaker 11 Amin did this the other day with Tiger Woods' back surgeries and back pain? He's like, I've got back pain. I'm like, I do have back pain.

Speaker 11 But you think your back pain is the same as Tiger Woods's back pain?

Speaker 13 That's pretty bad.

Speaker 15 It's probably similar.

Speaker 42 No, are you guys crazy?

Speaker 11 Swinging a golf club that way for that many years and needing seven surgeries to correct things? No, his pain is worse than yours. But when Chris says, oh, I wouldn't take $200 million for that.

Speaker 11 I'm like, I already have that. Give me the $200 million.

Speaker 38 Just it's basketball. No.

Speaker 6 We've all played it.

Speaker 15 It's not, it's not tax.

Speaker 11 Workday. This is the I have a suggestion.

Speaker 1 He plays the first and the fourth quarter.

Speaker 40 Okay.

Speaker 11 This is getting worse. How are you guys getting worse at this? Guys, they don't show up

Speaker 11 at the gym with a bag of fast food. They're there for three hours beforehand to get their bodies right for that.

Speaker 11 Guys, basketball is backjacked. Let's talk about some more positive things.
Like, did any of you guys hear Marl Valbert do the soliloquy before the games yesterday? Oh, dude, Dan,

Speaker 11 it brought all the chills, but also made me incredibly sad because i could hear in marvelous's voice he's old now and that was i wasn't ready for that like he looks fine by the way he looks great that

Speaker 11 he's in his head is he not in his 80s he's old definitely in his 80s yeah he's definitely in his 80s but his voice dan his voice ultimately just wasn't what it used to be even just reading the monologue it took him a little bit of effort and you could hear his voice strain yes and the vowel in your face facial and a spectacular move by Dan Lebatard.

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Speaker 5 He's 84. I mean,

Speaker 11 he's no,

Speaker 1 he was born during the Holocaust.

Speaker 11 That's how old he is. Oh my gosh, marvelous.
You know, marvelous.

Speaker 1 That was a long time ago.

Speaker 11 He, it's for him to be able to survive his scandal and get back in the game at 84 because NBC is trafficking. What scandal? That was a long time ago, too.

Speaker 18 What scandal? What are you talking about?

Speaker 11 Yeah, people can look it up on the internet. Long time ago.
As I was saying earlier, before we got derailed by shaking our fist at load management, I paired Jimmy Butler against Andrew Wiggins.

Speaker 11 Now let me pair Draymond Green. I remind you, before I play this Draymond Green sound, this was a quote from Jimmy Butler less than 30 days ago.

Speaker 11 San Francisco Chronicle: Quote: All that noise and chaos paid off in a major way. Everything starts off great, but then you know someone has to be the bad guy and it gets to be me.

Speaker 11 I'm always the one doing something unbearable all of a sudden, but being here, they've only got one goal. Ain't no hidden agendas.

Speaker 11 End quote. So

Speaker 11 I think Draymond here speaks to the idea of perhaps not hidden agendas, but not everyone in Golden State has the same agenda.

Speaker 48 I think everybody was committed to winning and doing that any way possible.

Speaker 48 And right now,

Speaker 48 it doesn't feel that way.

Speaker 49 I mean, is that personal agenda type stuff? Or like, you know, I mean, I guess how would you kind of

Speaker 48 think everyone has a personal agenda

Speaker 48 in this league,

Speaker 48 but you have to make this personal agenda work in the team confines.

Speaker 15 And if it doesn't work,

Speaker 48 then you kind of got to get rid of your agenda.

Speaker 3 Or

Speaker 48 eventually the agenda is the cause of someone getting rid of you.

Speaker 11 This is actually a very intelligent quote about the dynamics of basketball and the NBA in particular, right?

Speaker 11 Basketball is five people trying to do their own thing, but trying to do it within the framework of we do it together as a team.

Speaker 11 And this particular person, say what you will about him selfishly, does all of the things no one else wants to do on a basketball court.

Speaker 11 So, is P, no matter what you think of Draymond Green, is speaking from a position of authority of what it is it takes to be a good teammate when you are someone like him who once scored 32 points in a game seven of the finals.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I think Draymond,

Speaker 11 more than any player that has problems that they always talk about, you know, like, oh, he has a temper issue, whatever, he always plays the right way.

Speaker 11 Like his basketball decision making, he doesn't take dumb shots. He doesn't like make wild passes for the most part.

Speaker 11 He's pretty astute at keeping his temper separate from his basketball decision making. What he's talking about there is absolutely correct.
Everybody in the NBA has an agenda.

Speaker 11 No one's out here walking out here like, oh, I just want selflessness. Everyone's got some sort of goal, but the idea is how do we make it all work within the same framework?

Speaker 11 It's not communism, right?

Speaker 11 Where we're just everyone is an equal robot, but it's also not a free-for-all kind of laissez-faire, free-market economy where everyone's just doing whatever the hell they want.

Speaker 11 There is a level of kind of like

Speaker 11 capitalistic tendencies within a socialist framework when you talk about basketball. And so what he's saying there is sometimes you want to do things and they help us win.

Speaker 11 And sometimes you want to do things and these things detract from our winning. And the idea is to minimize that and maximize the he is an authority here, correct?

Speaker 11 Like he's viewed as a bad messenger because he's got a temper problem, but he's an authority. They've won championships with him as the furnace and fuel of play basketball correctly.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 this is going to be a bad time. Keeping people accountable to that, holding people accountable to that, right? Because that's really what this is about, right?

Speaker 11 When they're talking, they're talking, first of all, all, we know these guys, they're not passive-aggressive people. So I'm pretty sure whoever they're talking about, it's not like, what, me?

Speaker 11 Like, they know. Jeremy, Jeremy's looking at you sideways.
Do you think that Jimmy is passive-aggressive?

Speaker 1 I mean, did you witness the last year?

Speaker 11 I think he's aggressive-aggressive. Jeremy, when Jimmy doesn't like somebody, does he keep it to himself?

Speaker 1 He doesn't keep it to himself to them. So that's fair that he wouldn't be passive-aggressive within the locker room.
But

Speaker 1 it's what the,

Speaker 1 what the words are in front of the media certainly are to specifically influence things, you could argue, to an agenda.

Speaker 11 Certainly, certainly. But my point is this.

Speaker 11 Whoever they're talking about, yes, they're speaking in a passive-aggressive tone to the media, but the person they're talking about has already received this message directly.

Speaker 6 No, that's right.

Speaker 22 Throughout that history, they're talking about Kaminga.

Speaker 25 Throughout the history of Jimmy Butler's career, he finds a guy that he creates a cause around.

Speaker 19 And that's the reason why that approach is why we're not right. In Chicago, he and Wade went off to their side and Rondo rallied the young guys and that was the schism.

Speaker 19 In Minnesota, Wiggins and Kat, these young guys, he finds these people.

Speaker 16 Down here, when Lowry got on the team and those two isolated and he had a problem with Tyler Hero, and God bless Kevin Love for being the tie that binds. He was.

Speaker 3 And brought those guys together for a little run.

Speaker 16 But he had his problems with Tyler and probably, bam, a little bit.

Speaker 19 And now he's done it again.

Speaker 16 He's done it again.

Speaker 19 Duncan was also in that crew. That's why he loved Max Strews.
He was so effusive in his praise of Max Strews.

Speaker 6 He knew what he was doing.

Speaker 19 Let's turn the two white guys against one another.

Speaker 15 This is what he was doing.

Speaker 25 The thing about the white shooters? Gamma.

Speaker 1 About Max is like, Jimmy often does pick. the right guys to be his guys.

Speaker 1 He wants the gamers, and Max is one of those guys. And I can't believe that

Speaker 2 some of the guys sucks.

Speaker 1 Well, but that's part of it, right? Like there are personal relationships, and then there are the guys that he singles out.

Speaker 1 He really, like over here in Golden State, he loves Buddy Healed and he wanted to build up Buddy Healed.

Speaker 1 And I don't know whether or not that works out for them, but when he picks guys, it's with a specific reason of I think I can build you up.

Speaker 1 Over here, for that matter, he picked Nico Jovich because he wanted him to maximize what he had going on, but he definitely distanced himself from others.

Speaker 1 And when you're a leader of a team, you have to sink yourself into the human beings on your team to get the most out of them.

Speaker 1 That's what I think Bam was most frustrated with when you look at the dynamics in that locker room.

Speaker 1 Bam, a guy who wants to sink himself into others, you see Khalil Ware have a bad game, Bam's in his ear, 20 rebounds the next night. And that's the type of leadership that I think is different.

Speaker 1 It doesn't mean he can't get the most out of his teammates, but it's different with Jimmy.

Speaker 11 And ultimately, when you talk about leadership, effective leadership, it's adjusting your leadership style to the person you're dealing with. Steve Kerr talks about this.

Speaker 11 He says, I coach Draymond different than I coach other people. Like with Draymond, at first I was trying to be like the new age 21st century, hey man, talk to me about your feelings.

Speaker 11 And you realize pretty quickly from talking to Draymond and talking to Tom Izzo, no, Draymond just wants you to cuss him out and call him on his bullshit and be up in his face and scream and be like a domineering coach.

Speaker 11 That's what he responds to.

Speaker 11 But that doesn't mean Steve Kerr is going to coach Brandon Podemski or Buddy Healed or Jonathan Kaminga the same way because those guys have different receptors as far as the message.

Speaker 11 And it's on the leader to adjust it because at the end of the day, it's not, the most important thing isn't that I get to communicate the way I want to.

Speaker 11 The most important thing is the message gets communicated.

Speaker 11 The schisms you guys talk about, again and again, what has happened with Jimmy Butler, we really celebrated old school around here and you realize there's a generation of difference between however it is that Jimmy Butler and Dwayne Wade were behaving in Chicago or how Jimmy Butler interacted with younger people in Minnesota, or in the instance that we're talking about here where you're singling out Kaminga.

Speaker 11 There's a, it's a generation of difference in attitude.

Speaker 19 I will say, though, I think he's right in the people that he's identifying in terms of people that aren't necessarily doing the things necessary to help the team, even though his own actions, especially when they meet real adversity, kind of also work against the team's interests.

Speaker 11 Right.

Speaker 11 Like, so the idea is like, yes, he's never like misidentifying the guy who's not pulling their weight, but how do you get them to pull their weight do you go off on them and then just ignore them for the rest of time like that's not an effective strategy you're trying to build them up to get to that place i think carl anthony towns is an example of what he was in minnesota what he is now has grown players grow players change and jimmy seems to have a way of kind of like

Speaker 11 either here or there and once you're on one side or the other that's it are you guys with me on the idea though that we really celebrated 35 year old jimmy butler from a different time lumberjack guy when he was undressing 20 20 year old cat who was not yet a grown adult because he came out of Kentucky as a freshman and undressing is not bad you know you understand what I'm saying though Jimmy Butler with 13 years of difference is going to have what connection point with whatever Carl Anthony Towns is at that size being the best shooter from the perimeter he's ever seen while Jimmy's getting 16 free throws a game look

Speaker 15 I'm

Speaker 11 like like Jeremy said

Speaker 11 It's I'm not saying it's bad, right? Like I and what especially in the context of Golden State, Draymond and any of those guys, when they do it, it's real.

Speaker 11 One of my favorite stories, I don't even remember if this was public or not, but when

Speaker 11 it's the kid in Philadelphia, now I'm drawing a blade. Maxie? McKina? No, no, no, the one that was in Golden State, Oubre.

Speaker 11 When Kelly Oubre was in Golden State, and Clay was starting to come back, and they were talking about, okay, so Kelly, you're going to come off the bench. And Kelly started pounding.

Speaker 11 I'm a starter. And they like, I think it was Clay that went off, or someone went off on him in the locker room.
Tell him, hey, man, you know what this place is? Do you know what we do here?

Speaker 11 Who are you to say, I'm not coming off the bench? Andre Guadala, who was an all-star, came off the bench for us. Who the hell are you? That's the type of locker room they are.

Speaker 11 They don't suffer the kind of the immaturities of fools. They will let you know immediately.
And so what they're doing here, I'm not even certain.

Speaker 11 I'm not saying they're wrong. I'm not holding them accountable.
The thing is,

Speaker 11 the only reason why we're talking about it here and why it's relevant to us is because that part of Jimmy, which can be

Speaker 11 useful at times, but other times destructive, was at the end of the time here just destructive.

Speaker 11 It was no longer useful.

Speaker 16 I think that the valid criticism of Jimmy is when he does identify that guy, he does very little to actually mend the fences.

Speaker 16 And it doesn't seem like there's really a path for the person that he's isolated in that way to work themselves back into the good graces.

Speaker 11 And then the juxtaposition of why we're talking about it specifically now is when you hear wiggins and norm powell and all these guys talk and it's like oh this is this feels amazing but on a some level jeremy you know why it feels amazing because they appreciate it yes in a way that some other locker rooms if you tried doing this kumbaya stuff it would be taken for granted and that's the problem they're always balancing hey we want people accountable but also we don't want it to feel like a prison but if you let it too loose everyone's going to do whatever they want Folks, the leaves are turning.

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Speaker 47 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 5 Teammates can't shoot from three. Now they're gonna see a different Jimmy.
Now he's just just playing. Nickel back in the locker room and Stugats.

Speaker 5 They'll play D and show threes as they chase the Nets for the sixth seed. These five words in his head.
Scream are we winning games yet?

Speaker 28 This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

Speaker 1 All I'm saying is the vibes in Golden State look like shit, and the vibes here in Miami about to take it tonight's second half of that home and home. Everybody's having a good time.

Speaker 18 You see that real leader, Norman Powell?

Speaker 1 That's a leader right there.

Speaker 41 That's a leader.

Speaker 20 Let's get to the Norman Powell sound.

Speaker 11 Norman Powell is making the vibes feel very good in a very weak East. That Celtics

Speaker 11 Sixers game was fun last night. But that's what the top of that conference is going to look like.
And Cleveland resting all its players to get to the postseason against the Knicks. But

Speaker 11 here's the heat trying to announce to everybody, no, we're going to get into this game at the top of the East.

Speaker 11 We're going to do it with team basketball that scores 140 points a game, even though they're setting all of nine picks because everyone's just running around, hanging from the rafters, throwing the ball at the shot clock, and letting Khalil Ware dunk it.

Speaker 52 What does it say about this team that you get different contributions in different moments every single game?

Speaker 53 I mean, it just shows how deep we are. You know,

Speaker 53 the way we play, fast, up-temple style, you know, everybody's pulling in the right direction, everybody's cheering each other on.

Speaker 53 You know, some nights it's gonna be my night, some nights it's not gonna be my night, but we're cheering everybody on.

Speaker 53 We're playing super hard, we're picking each other up, man, and we're believing in it.

Speaker 53 We're believing in the system, we're believing in one another, and it shows when a game like this, when you need tough-minded resilience, physicality, and belief, and execution, and we're able to do that down the stretch.

Speaker 11 I can't believe we're going to get more annoying as a heat show. That grading, like Jeremy arriving with the smile.
I can hear the

Speaker 11 smile on his face.

Speaker 38 You can hear it.

Speaker 1 It's like Pablo.

Speaker 11 You can hear the smile. You can hear the smile talking.

Speaker 13 He's happier than Norman Powell.

Speaker 38 He's good on television.

Speaker 19 Stop going at Jeremy.

Speaker 38 There's a reason why he's won an ME.

Speaker 35 And I would say that this first

Speaker 19 has been more national in scope.

Speaker 11 He said two Emmys in the background.

Speaker 1 And this is not just on the broadcast. You can hear.

Speaker 6 This is to the arena.

Speaker 52 What does it say about this team that you get different contributions in different moments every single game?

Speaker 23 Great question.

Speaker 15 Hard-hitting.

Speaker 43 The sign of his lips are attached to his eyebrows.

Speaker 42 Like,

Speaker 11 he is smiling. He is speaking through a mouth that's not moving because the top of his lips are over his ears.

Speaker 52 What does it say about this team that you get different contributions in different moments every single game?

Speaker 11 There's a leading question, and then there's grabbing someone by their wrist and pulling them with you.

Speaker 13 Come here, come here to this thing. I want to go to the next one.

Speaker 18 That's the job.

Speaker 35 That's the job.

Speaker 16 Jeremy is as good as anyone at that job. Anyone is.

Speaker 19 It's really like a testament to how that skill does not translate on radio.

Speaker 51 What does it say about this team?

Speaker 40 He is so. What does it say about this?

Speaker 15 He is so.

Speaker 13 Chris, you're not smiling enough.

Speaker 11 Happier, damn it. Happier.

Speaker 8 What's up about this team?

Speaker 13 You have got such a future as Mario Lopez in every hotel I see.

Speaker 40 Oh my God, thank you.

Speaker 49 I hope so.

Speaker 16 That is the highest of the high praise.

Speaker 16 I would love to host a game show.

Speaker 11 Put it on the poll at Lebatard show.

Speaker 20 Just delivered the games.

Speaker 11 Is it really a hotel experience if Mario Lopez isn't shilling you movies?

Speaker 39 What does it say about this team?

Speaker 6 On the television.

Speaker 11 Dan, Dan, real quick, you know what's going to happen? Like five years from now, he's actually going to have that job, and everyone's going to say, remember when Jeremy was on the Levittard show?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I hated him then, but now I miss him. He's awesome.

Speaker 15 Like, we do it Whitty.

Speaker 11 Like Whittingham, and exactly like Whittingham.

Speaker 6 You were genuinely moved.

Speaker 11 For those of you who do not know, that Amin is a grizzled veteran, no more grizzled than he is today, after many years of battering in the NBA offices

Speaker 11 that weren't in the front, and then finally getting to a front office.

Speaker 11 I would imagine your love of basketball basketball is so giant that you often get moved by little acts of teamwork that you see or an organization working well.

Speaker 11 But even I was surprised to see how excited you were of all the excitable people here about the heat just watching Wiggins watch his shot at a buzzer dunk, which you hardly ever see in the sport to make the vibes feel even better around Miami because they beat what is one of the best teams, if not the best team in the East at the Buzzers, playing that way, scoring 140 points.

Speaker 11 Why were you moved by this?

Speaker 11 I have not seen this video.

Speaker 11 It's, I don't know. You know, it's weird, Dan.
The things that resonate with me

Speaker 11 are so odd and varied. I don't even sense a pattern.

Speaker 11 It's just something wholesome about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could tell that it's real joy.

Speaker 11 It's real joy, but it's also a real like fascination. Yeah.
Oh, let me see the vibe. I don't even know what happened.

Speaker 1 He's legitimately interested.

Speaker 11 He's interested in what he's watching and kind of the vibe. And then watch Norm Powell at the end of this video.

Speaker 44 All right, walk me through that.

Speaker 8 Man.

Speaker 44 Hello, hello, but I'm played by the coaches.

Speaker 8 Crazy pass by the greatest Canadian of all time, I hear.

Speaker 8 Oh, my God.

Speaker 32 Look how weird. Shout out, 20 man.

Speaker 28 Norman Powell loves to crash an interview.

Speaker 11 He's a vibes guy. So

Speaker 11 to to the listening audience, basically, it's Andrew Wiggins watching on the social media manager's phone the play that just happened. They're walking down.
Is it Championship Alley?

Speaker 11 Is that what it's called? The arena has exploded. Andrew Wiggins is coming off of what will be one of the greatest feelings of his life to make that shot at the buzzer.
Yes, and so he's watching it.

Speaker 11 Haquez is coming in saying, oh, greatest Canadian of all time. And then you hear Norman Powell literally kind of just crash the interview, jump up on him.

Speaker 11 It's such a great moment of joy and also like a reflection of what just happened. Whereas usually, Dan, when you ask guys, it's a very dead kind of answer.

Speaker 11 Like, yeah, well, you know, Coach drew up a great play, and, you know,

Speaker 11 Mitchell said a great backstreet, and I just try to make a play at the rim. Instead, it's like, no, it's just acknowledging, oh, that was cool.
And his teammates are all happy for him.

Speaker 1 The league MVP is Canadian.

Speaker 27 And? Well, he called him the greatest Canadian ever.

Speaker 19 The best player in the league is Canadian.

Speaker 8 It's not Andrew Wiggins.

Speaker 11 It's not Andrew Wiggins. He's right about that.

Speaker 6 That's what he brought him in.

Speaker 24 Is Maple Jordan?

Speaker 11 It's a bad nickname. The idea

Speaker 11 that that feeling, right? I don't imagine there are many like it. And I wanted to get a means analysis on this because I was confused even as Jeremy was talking about it yesterday.

Speaker 11 It couldn't have been that the Cavs assistant coaches didn't know what they were doing at the end of that game.

Speaker 40 It seemed like not.

Speaker 11 No, but I'm asking, I mean, from somebody who understands how much work goes into winning these little games in the tiniest of margins, there are very few things that coaches have control over once they're all control freaks, and there's very little control you have once the basketball is out there because things happen, okay?

Speaker 11 These control freaks know that they control very little, but the time they most control it is out of a timeout,

Speaker 11 right out of a timeout, defensively, four-tenths of a second. This is to me the easiest of things.
Like you just, you can't botch it like that.

Speaker 11 It looked like the assistants didn't know what they were doing with Kenny Atkinson ejected. It can't be that, right?

Speaker 11 I'm not going to put it on the coaching staff at all because this is not a young team. This is not a juvenile team.
These guys are vets. They've played in playoffs.
They've played a playoff series.

Speaker 11 They've been deep in the playoffs. There are certain things that happen on that play that are NBA cardinal truths.
I don't need to tell you. You're in the NBA.
You've been here long enough.

Speaker 11 You should know. Number one, short clock situations.
We switch everything. We switch everything.
We switch everything. It doesn't matter.
Oh, it wasn't that much of a screen. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 11 Switch everything. Number two, time and score.
A two-pointer beats you. A three-pointer beats you as well, but a two-pointer beats you.
So we don't want to give up the easy thing, right?

Speaker 11 Which is what? At the rim. So when you get hit with that bat screen, number one, you didn't switch.
Number two, you didn't dip.

Speaker 22 Was it almost a moving pick?

Speaker 11 Oh, it was an awful pick. Like,

Speaker 40 maybe I'm going to talk about it. I've seen that call before.

Speaker 15 I've seen that call. Maybe I'm going to be on that spot.

Speaker 11 He slid tackled. He looked like a soccer player out there.
No, it was, it was an awful pick.

Speaker 1 Didn't they call that in like the women's championship, right?

Speaker 11 So, so that's so that's one, they don't switch. Two, no one dips to protect their women.
But then, number three, and this one, Evan Mobley, you're the defensive player of the year.

Speaker 11 KYP is an NBA saying, it stands for know your personnel, right? You're guarding Jame Jakez, a career 31% three-point shooter who's shooting 27% from three this season. There's 0.4 seconds left.

Speaker 11 And by the way, not the quickest release in the world.

Speaker 12 Who cares?

Speaker 11 I hope they pass it to him. Even if Jake is shooting 39% from three this season,

Speaker 11 his release is so slow, there's no chance he gets it off in 0.4.

Speaker 1 They should have been so okay with giving up a three-point season.

Speaker 11 As soon as Jake starts to go out to the corner, Mobile's going to be like, bye, bye, I'm going to stay right here in the paint. Yep.
I'm going to stay right here in the paint.

Speaker 11 And so to me, that's not conversations that the assistant coaches should have to go through. Now, had they gone through it, maybe guys would have remembered better, but it's like, no, Sam Merrill, no,

Speaker 11 Evan Mobley, you guys should know better. That's an execution thing.

Speaker 1 Why would you have a six-foot-four guy, Donovan Mitchell, guarding the inbounds pass? How does that help? You're playing four and five there.

Speaker 33 I mean, look,

Speaker 11 you know what's funny? I always think about why do they ever put the biggest guy?

Speaker 11 Or you talk about turn his back and just play, because you you don't want a clean look you don't want a clean look but also you're six foot four guys

Speaker 15 there's no such i mean i mean look i i honestly

Speaker 11 honestly do not think that in that situation

Speaker 11 there is any chance that anyone can physically get a good shot off in four tenths of a second.

Speaker 11 Anybody on earth, maybe Steph Curry, but four tenths of a second from any spot on the court, the idea that you would allow anything at the rim because you're guarding against the possibility that any heat player who has ever played, maybe Ray Allen, can get a shot off in four-tenths of a second.

Speaker 11 That's a good shot. Four-tenths of a second is definitely enough time to get off a shot if you have a release that's quick.

Speaker 11 It doesn't have to be Ray Allen, Steph Curry, quick, but just relatively quick. So for instance, Norm Powell, who is the dummy in the, not dummy, except the

Speaker 11 decoy. I'm sorry, the decoy of the play.
Right?

Speaker 11 They ran elevator doors, so he's zipper cutting up, and when he comes out, the idea is that, like, oh, they're going to give it to Norm Powell because Norm Powell does have a quick enough release, except for the fact it's a tied game.

Speaker 11 Why would Norm Powell be shooting from 24 feet when it's a tied game? We're trying to get something that's a point, a score anywhere. Shout out to Zaz.
A score, right? So

Speaker 11 that's another thing where you, as a player, you've just got to know, oh, he's going up. Like, all right, man.
Baya Condios. I'm not going to be worried about him 24 feet versus someone at the basket.

Speaker 11 Did the heat feel this good at the end of the game?

Speaker 3 Hello.

Speaker 11 Did Wiggins feel this good after the game?

Speaker 3 Hello.

Speaker 11 Did the greatest of the Canadian basketball players feel this good after the game?

Speaker 3 Hello.

Speaker 31 I sure did. Yeah,

Speaker 11 we know that. We can hear the smile on your face.

Speaker 3 Hello.

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