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Speaker 2 After the first month of the season, the standings are looking crazy. This is the hockey show.

Speaker 2 That's David Drorick of the Hockey News. Ethan is in the other studio.
Rose is in Boone, North Carolina with Lucy Rodine. My name is Roy Bellamy.
This is the hockey show.

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Speaker 2 The Los Angeles Dodgers defeated the Toronto Blue Jays to win the World Series. It's a hockey show.
I understand that, but there's a hockey connotation to this.

Speaker 4 You just introduced the whole hockey show, and the first thing you said was, the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You threw me off.
Yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Enough with the Dodgers. I'm tired of these guys.

Speaker 2 Thanks, Ethan. I'm tired of that.
You're tired of the Dodgers, the winning

Speaker 2 pitch clock.

Speaker 2 You can find all that on the pitch clock

Speaker 2 and with Jeremy Tashet. Jeremy, thank you for doing whatever the hell it is that you were doing back there.
I don't know. Thank you.
But anyway, I love you. Yeah,

Speaker 2 that's great. I appreciate that.
Shout out the hockey show. Thank you.
Shout out the Pitch Clock.

Speaker 2 I mentioned the Los Angeles Dodgers because the Blue Jays are Canada's only professional major league ball club, right? They are.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so the series had the intention of the entire country, especially game seven. So much so, so much so that they actually played game seven during the Blackhawks.

Speaker 2 All this game, the entire game, had on the jumbotron game seven of the World Series at Rogers Place.

Speaker 4 During the hockey game.

Speaker 2 During the hockey game. Yeah.
During the hockey game. In fact, on SportsNet West, they got caught up in a moment because they thought the Blue Jays had won in the bottom of the knife.

Speaker 2 But that is not what happened.

Speaker 4 Or not.

Speaker 2 Or no. They're calling him out at home.
First out.

Speaker 2 Two out. Ninth in it.
Wow.

Speaker 4 But I get it, though, because

Speaker 4 everybody in the crowd got up and started cheering.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So it was like a fake break by the entire fan side.

Speaker 1 What a job by the announcer. Like Like, that is so difficult.
He's calling two games at once, right? He's calling the hockey game.

Speaker 1 And then also, all the people that are watching the hockey game, which are probably only a select few, probably care about what's going on in the World Series.

Speaker 1 So he's got to help them know what's going on in the World Series. He's calling two games at once.
That's a very difficult job.

Speaker 4 But he didn't do a good job.

Speaker 2 That's the problem.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 1 it's pretty hard to do.

Speaker 2 Like, all credit to him, the fact that he was able to then adjust on the fly.

Speaker 1 Well, that was a close play at the the plate, man.

Speaker 2 Even keep it clear. That was a close play at the game at that plate.
That was crazy.

Speaker 2 Well, you mentioned that everybody was watching the ball game at Rogers' place, and apparently that included Conor McDavid because he got distracted during the Blackhawks, all this game, because he was busy looking at the Drumbatron watching the ball game, and he got distracted.

Speaker 2 And you mentioned it in the post-game.

Speaker 4 It was really, really strange.

Speaker 6 Obviously, we're all on the Jays bandwagon, and everybody's wanting them to win, and and it's so disappointing obviously but strange. Strange to have it on during the game, listening to the crowd.

Speaker 6 It was distracting for sure. I'm glad they shut it off there for the third.

Speaker 4 When

Speaker 4 they're showing it, not only showing it, but they're showing up with sound during the TV timeouts as well.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it was bizarre.

Speaker 6 It was bizarre. I found myself

Speaker 6 in the Jays game. I'm sitting on the bench.

Speaker 6 It's good fun. Listening to the crowd while I'm on on the ice, you know, what just happened.

Speaker 6 It was very strange.

Speaker 6 But you know what? Historic moment

Speaker 6 couldn't be more gutted for those guys.

Speaker 6 You know, obviously we know what that feels like. It's

Speaker 6 a good thing to, you know, for it to be the way it happens.

Speaker 6 You know, just completely gutted for those guys. It's been a fun run and been a lot of fun.
They've given Canada a lot to cheer about and they should be very, very proud of themselves.

Speaker 4 You know what I kept thinking as I watched that

Speaker 4 as he kept talking, other than that he's really good at cleaning up his own comments. Yeah.
You know who would not do that?

Speaker 4 What the Elders did? Who's that, David? The Florida Panthers would not distract their players. Well,

Speaker 2 because of mine walls would not be in a World Series. No, no, no, no, no.
Well, first of all, yes.

Speaker 1 But second of all, the Panthers might do that, but they wouldn't then go and complain about it afterwards.

Speaker 2 No, they wouldn't.

Speaker 1 Who hates fun more than Connor McDavid? Like, let the people at the game watch the game. They care more about the World Series.

Speaker 1 There are plenty of people that probably felt like, hey, I spent a lot of money on this ticket. I'm going to put this ticket to use.

Speaker 1 This is good, hard-earned money that I put to use to go to this game. But I want to watch the World Series and know what's going on with Canada's baseball team.
So hopefully they'll have the game on.

Speaker 1 And they did.

Speaker 4 Such a millennial team.

Speaker 1 And it's just, what a loser. Like, let people have fun.
We get it. It's a game in, it was November, Connor McDavid.
It's like the 13th game of the year.

Speaker 1 Like, let people have fun for once in their lives. I guess losers know how to sympathize with losers, man.

Speaker 2 Well, they're currently in a wildcard spot. It's losers sympathetic.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, they've lost back-to-back years in the Stanley Cup final, just like the Jays just did.

Speaker 2 I mean, they, yeah, okay, sure. The conference champions for back-to-back seasons, yes.

Speaker 1 And they're Stanley Cup losers, twice in a row. Okay.
If you're not first, you're last, Roy.

Speaker 2 I mean, at least you won a con Smythe. But whatever.
Not a near. Go collect your trophy.
Yeah, neither here nor there.

Speaker 2 Congratulations to the Dodgers, and we'll talk a little bit more about that in our wins and fails. But let's get over to Alexander Oveskin, who scored his 900th goal.

Speaker 2 I say this as if this is a normal thing. I mean, nobody's ever done that before.
Nobody probably will ever do that ever again.

Speaker 4 Well, every goal that he scores from here till the end of his career will be the only player to score that many goals. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Which is kind of cool.

Speaker 4 Every time he scores, it's a historic goal.

Speaker 2 I think he can actually reach quadruple digits if he decided to play four or five more years.

Speaker 1 But is he going to do that? That's a big question, right? Like, this is the last year of his contract. He slowed down so much.
Like, at this point, he's kind of a one-trick pony, you know?

Speaker 2 Although he had two assists last night against the that was funny.

Speaker 1 He had the two assists and Crosby had the two goals. That's like switching roles there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's great. That 900 puck, the one that he scored, was swiped.
It was stolen, or at least Jordan Bennington tried to steal it. The culprit was caught red-handed by a linesman.

Speaker 2 He tried to hide the puck in the back of his hockey pants as he skated towards the corner.

Speaker 4 See, he knew this was going to happen. I've got a really interesting thought here on this.
Jordan Bennington knew that he was going to give up Alex Ovechkin's 900th goal. He just had a feeling, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah. So he goes to the game, he finds a game puck, he shoves it in his pants, he goes out and he plays.

Speaker 3 He's going to sell on eBay.

Speaker 4 So when Ovechkin gets his goal, he reaches in his pants, pulls out the fake, gives it to the official, and now he will forever have Alex Ovechkin's 900th goal puck.

Speaker 2 So this is like a home run ball that's caught by a fan. A fan

Speaker 2 pulls out a out a bait.

Speaker 4 He's making the switch, the bait and switch. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What if he went for the fake but accidentally grabbed the real one?

Speaker 2 Like there's two back there.

Speaker 2 He's an idiot.

Speaker 2 And that's all there is to it. He's an idiot,

Speaker 2 if that's the case. Look at him.
Hands stuff down his pants like Albert.

Speaker 4 I've done that many times in my hockey playing prowess, but it's usually just to scratch myself. But like we need to hear from Jordan Bennington because it's been a few days now.

Speaker 4 It's been like, what, two days, I think it happened Wednesday?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 We have yet to hear from him at all. And whether he's going to tell the truth or whether he's going to make something up, we got to hear his take.

Speaker 1 Didn't he say that he was going to give Ovechkin the puck back no matter what?

Speaker 2 Well, here's the situation.

Speaker 1 His plan was to give him the puck. No,

Speaker 2 personally, that's. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know. But he said he was going to give him the puck like he wasn't going to steal it.

Speaker 2 He's so damn selfish, man. Just let the linesman get the puck out of the net and have him toss it to the trainer so they can put the tape on it and he can write 900 coins.
How simple is that?

Speaker 2 That's That's just selfish on Jordan Bennington's part.

Speaker 4 Okay, so here's the quote: I figured I basically had an assist on the goal there, turning the puck over. I didn't think he'd mind sharing it.
I had full intention to give it back to him.

Speaker 2 That's a good quote.

Speaker 1 I like this little

Speaker 1 Pablo Torre finds out-esque video we've got going on here where we're really zooming in, trying to get him red-handed here. Yeah, we see a hand.

Speaker 2 We see a hand, we see pants, and we see a black puck inside those pants.

Speaker 1 Ugh, boy.

Speaker 2 I think it was just a mistake.

Speaker 3 Honest mistake.

Speaker 1 No, I think he he was just.

Speaker 1 I truly believe he was going to give the puck back to Ovie.

Speaker 2 Bullshit, man. Bullshit.

Speaker 4 We always wonder if the linesman never went up to him, what would have happened?

Speaker 2 Oh, he would have kept that puck for himself. Like, screw a red skin.
This is mine. You're not getting this.

Speaker 4 No, and then he gets like his side later in the game.

Speaker 2 No, he gets a puck out of the out of the refrigerator in the penalty box. Like, all right, well,

Speaker 4 the puck fridge.

Speaker 5 The puck fridge.

Speaker 2 I'm going to do something that I don't usually do.

Speaker 4 Smile?

Speaker 2 You can kiss my ass.

Speaker 4 But you're smiling.

Speaker 2 I have no choice but to smile. No, you shot me out there.
All right. So I'm going to do what I don't usually do.
I'm going to give the Islanders a bit of props here. They did a good thing.

Speaker 2 It has nothing to do with their roster construction. It has nothing to do with their play on the ice.
It has everything to do

Speaker 2 with their concessions

Speaker 2 because they have a new item on the menu. It's called, it's a cinnamon roll,

Speaker 2 bacon, egg, and cheese. This is a breakfast sandwich that they're going to sell in the concession.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Cinnamon roll, bacon, egg, and cheese at at UBS Arena. Wow.

Speaker 4 Aside from the egg, because I don't eat eggs, but that looks quite delicious. Yeah.
I'm a big fan of mixing sweet and salty. Yeah.
So.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's not better.

Speaker 4 No, I don't keep kosher, Ethan.

Speaker 1 So why do you not eat eggs?

Speaker 4 No, because I just don't like the way they taste. He doesn't like the texture.
I didn't know if it was like

Speaker 1 a dietary restriction.

Speaker 4 No, it's a taste bud restriction.

Speaker 4 And every few years I'll try it because the whole concept of eggs seems delicious to me.

Speaker 2 Like omelets, mixing delicious music together? No, not really. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because it's got that flavor.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So yeah, I'd love to like eggs, but I just don't.

Speaker 2 So you don't like scrambled, you don't like omelets, you don't like

Speaker 4 every couple of years. We'll go to like IHOP or Denny's and my wife will order me like a little

Speaker 4 sampler of different eggs to try just to like make sure that I still don't like it.

Speaker 2 Hard boiled.

Speaker 1 Well go to a good go to like a high quality diner.

Speaker 2 Go to like go to Waffle House. How about that? Go over there.

Speaker 4 I mean, I never need an excuse to go to Waffle House.

Speaker 1 That's amazing. Roy, you know about that matzah bry?

Speaker 1 You know what matzah brya is?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 I know what matzah is.

Speaker 2 I don't know what the actual.

Speaker 1 It's just matzah bry and eggs. Or matzah and eggs mixed up, fried up, boom.

Speaker 2 Good.

Speaker 4 This is

Speaker 4 the second day in a row that I'm hearing the word matzah brai, which you don't often hear. And the reason I heard it yesterday was pretty strong.

Speaker 4 I was like just debating in my head, do I share this little story? Yeah, I'll share it.

Speaker 4 So my wife was, she met like one of her first clients yesterday. She used to be an interior designer before we had kids.

Speaker 4 And the way that she remembered this guy and his girlfriend at the time, she's like, yeah, he showed me a picture of his girlfriend completely naked with Matzabrai covering her privates.

Speaker 4 Oh, man. Legitimately, that's like verbatim in the text I got from my wife yesterday.

Speaker 4 And I'm like, A, I don't remember this story at all. And B, This guy's like trying to get my wife into a threesome, right? That's why you show up.
Swingers.

Speaker 4 Well, I'm saying, why else would you show up?

Speaker 2 You're a picture of rub your girlfriend off. Are you kidding me? The hockey show every Friday.
Ladies and gentlemen, that is David's story. We got to talk more about our personal lives, if you like.

Speaker 2 That's great.

Speaker 2 Let's get into the mascots for a second. Specifically, the mascot for the Philadelphia Flyers.
Now, if you, you probably don't remember. I mean,

Speaker 2 who watches this show? But you probably don't remember us talking about Gritty a month ago when he was act storing. That's right.
He is an accurate. He's a Savannah.
He's a stor of axis. Yes.

Speaker 2 He is very much a Savannah. All right, so he did this without deadly weapons.
He was at Wells Fargo Center throwing nerf balls with Taylor's at the end. Very accurately.
He has a trash can

Speaker 2 about, I would say,

Speaker 2 six to eight feet away from the goalie crease, and he was throwing it from his little platform from the second tier.

Speaker 3 The second tier.

Speaker 2 The second tier

Speaker 2 of the arena, and he...

Speaker 1 Was on target. How about the fact that he gets the first one and he missed the first two? Then he gets the third one and he just starts nailing them.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was the wind. It was definitely figured it out and he just kept hitting them.

Speaker 1 Amazing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's got an arm on him.

Speaker 4 What is the job application or what, you know, what are the job qualifications when they hired the guy who plays Gritty? Because whoever's in there is really good at a lot of shit.

Speaker 2 I would say chaos. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You got to be able to bring the chaos with Gritty.

Speaker 2 Yeah, prerequisite there.

Speaker 4 He's clearly insane, but he does so many things well. There's like, it's like Al Pacino.

Speaker 1 Philly's got a couple good ones, man. The Fanatic and Gritty.

Speaker 4 The Fanatic's also awesome.

Speaker 2 Is Gritty the best mascot in hockey?

Speaker 1 I don't know. He might be the most versatile.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 We have to pause on that because we got to give Tusky a little time.

Speaker 2 I like what Tusky's got going on here. I'm a big fan.
I wonder if Tusky and Ellie from the New York Liberty, if they got together what we're having. It should be interesting.

Speaker 2 Elephants love.

Speaker 1 Rose is saying in the chat, she should apply to be Gritty. I think

Speaker 1 she would make a great Gritty.

Speaker 4 Well, she could be grid gridette she could be gritty's wife like the philly fanatic has a wife she said

Speaker 4 chaos and crazy as if that's not almost the same thing i'm just saying though anyway it's time for puck luck it's uh sponsored by draft kings draft kings the crown is yours as i almost spill my water on the floor david oh i'm glad you didn't spill it uh i'm sorry so am i this week for puck luck we have a four-leg parlay so it's not for the faint of heart uh tonight chicago is in calgary i'm taking the blackhawks money line Calgary's 1-2-straight after their horrendous 9-2-9, 2-9-2, excuse me, 2-9-2 start.

Speaker 4 Chicago's coming off a big win in Vancouver, but the Flames are playing well. The Blackhawks lost 3-4, so you're getting good value with Chicago on the money line.

Speaker 4 I think they're going to take it to Calgary. And in that game, we're also taking Connor Bedard over two and a half shots.
He's hit that number in nine straight, Roy.

Speaker 4 He is in Flago right now for Chicago. He's really driving play.
And another late game tonight, Winnipeg and San Jose. We're going to take Connor, Kyle Connor, over two and a half shots.

Speaker 2 So many Connors.

Speaker 4 He's hit that number in seven of his past nine, and the Sharks give up the second most shots on goal in the NHL.

Speaker 4 And then just to sprinkle a little bit more juice on this parlay, we're going to take the Jets' money line because the Jets are good. The Sharks kind of suck.
And

Speaker 4 yeah, the Jets are coming off a 3-0 loss in Los Angeles. So they're going to be extra pissed.

Speaker 2 What are the odds on that?

Speaker 4 6-10 plus 6-10. Odds always subject to change.
Thank you for the reminder, Ethan. But I think this is a pretty juicy little parlay.

Speaker 2 Subject to change. That was Puck Luck sponsored sponsored by DraftKings.
DraftKings, the crown is yours. We appreciate everybody who watches and listens to the show, however few or many that you are.

Speaker 2 You guys can ask us questions on our vast array of social media handles that I gave out earlier in this show. We have one from at Demon Hunter MOG who asks,

Speaker 2 which goalie are you most shocked by so far this year? And it could be a positive or negative performance on the season. David?

Speaker 4 It's kind of a tie.

Speaker 4 Jacob Dobish has been amazing, so I'm not like terribly surprised. They did call it last year, and I'm going to dig that up at some point that he was going to be the next great NHL goalie.

Speaker 4 But Logan Thompson, 1.45 goals against average, 938 save percentage for the Capitals. Nobody's talking about Logan Thompson, and he is playing out of his mind right now.
So for me, that's a big one.

Speaker 1 He did the same thing last year, Logan Thompson, like quietly was one of the best goalie maybe well at a time like his numbers were as good as anybody in the league and he's been phenomenal again this year what about lucas dustall guys yeah how good has he been out in anaheim he is currently fourth in the league right now behind spencer knight at the top then logan thompson and connor hellebuck in goals saved above expected with 8.7 goals saved above expected this year he's been awesome that anaheim team is so much fun and it's not just that they're scoring they're getting really good goaltending on the back end as well they scored seven goals again last night yeah.

Speaker 2 I was going to mention that the Blackhawks

Speaker 2 man, they're looking uh they're looking decent for what they should actually be, and they are pretty close to a uh playoff spot in the west.

Speaker 4 They might be in the mix, they're like Chicago. Like, I don't think they're they're hitting above their weight right now.

Speaker 4 I think that they're they're playing some really good hockey, yeah, good for Spencer Knight, who will

Speaker 2 currently and will be for a pretty long time in the franchise goaltend, and the Ducks are going to make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 So, that's the situation over there. Now it is time for Rosa in Uminuto.
Rose is in Boone, North Carolina, and she has recorded her Spanish version of this. So take it away, Rosie.

Speaker 9 Category loses fencing.

Speaker 9 But when you parse that,

Speaker 9 boom,

Speaker 9 go ahead and see a two unfiltered pace

Speaker 9 with two dictators reservos for 100. I was qualified in the

Speaker 9 morning pages, and I was

Speaker 9 like, that's a minute.

Speaker 2 Was that a bed?

Speaker 2 Was she lying on a bed? I think so.

Speaker 1 Looks like a hotel in Boone, North Carolina, probably.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, not Not the holiday inn. Oh, no.
Oh, my goodness. All right, that was Rosa in Un Minuto.
Thank you for that, Rosie. And now it's time for Rose in a minute.

Speaker 3 In her stead, it's Michael Funtes.

Speaker 2 Go ahead, Mike.

Speaker 1 Guys, my best friend's here. It's Mikey Fuentes.

Speaker 2 I said, hey, kids, this is one minute of hockey with Rose. And this week, we're headed to Calgary.

Speaker 2 The Flames finally lit up the ice, a 5-1 win over the Rangers, with Blake Coleman Coleman scoring twice and Cadre remembering how to shoot again. Miracles do happen.

Speaker 2 But then the gas ran out. They lost 4-3 to Toronto, 4-3 in a shootout to Ottawa, and 4-2 to Nashville.
Though, Huberdeau and Shevaganovich, I hope I said that right, try to keep the spike alive.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 when it looked like the fire was out, boom!

Speaker 2 Huberdo scored two more goals and beat Philadelphia 2-1 and finally bring some heat back to Calgary. So two wins, three losses, losses, not great, but at least the flames are still flickering.

Speaker 2 Let's just say the gas in Calgary's got an attitude, turns on, turns off, and nobody knows when it's going to blow up. That was one minute of hockey with Rose.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Your weekly recap of puck, passion, and a little bit of chaos. The flammable kind.

Speaker 4 Standing ovation.

Speaker 2 All right, hand me that script.

Speaker 2 I want to see the name that you butchered.

Speaker 3 I think it was an Idor Sharon Govich. It was Sharon Govich.

Speaker 2 Just like I said it, Roy. Awesome.

Speaker 4 No, but that's a perfect representation of Rose because she would have butchered it, too.

Speaker 3 That was perfect.

Speaker 2 That was amazing. All right, like this.
Bravo, bro.

Speaker 1 Thank you for bringing us the updates from Tate McCrae Country.

Speaker 2 All right. Thank you, Mike.
That was Rose in a minute. I appreciate you.
Thank you. Let me see this.
All right. All right.
I have the script in my hand.

Speaker 2 I think she misspelled it.

Speaker 2 Sharon Govich, right? And that's spelled correctly. S-H-A-R-No.

Speaker 4 That looks like it's spelled phonetically.

Speaker 4 Sharonagovich.

Speaker 2 Oh, no. All right.
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Speaker 4 She got it right. That is how you spell his name.

Speaker 2 She copied and pasted. Dave, what's your win? Good job.

Speaker 4 My win of the week is Rose for spelling Igor Sharon Dovich's name right, which I couldn't have done.

Speaker 2 All right, so that's your first win.

Speaker 4 My second win,

Speaker 4 Kraken goalie Joey Decord. He's actually off to a pretty good start this season

Speaker 4 for the Seattle Kraken.

Speaker 4 The other day, he took not one, but two attempts at an empty net against the Blackhawks.

Speaker 4 Seattle, they're one 4-1-2 on home ice. They're good home team.
But dude, I love it. He took a shot at the empty net.
It didn't go through. And he's like, you know what?

Speaker 4 They're going to dump it in again. I'm going to take another shot.
Awesome for him. And then he put up a tweet.

Speaker 2 Shoot or shoot. Yeah, man.
This man's a... I love it.
He's a goalie being a goalie. I love it.
I was going to say, he, oh, he's Chauncey Billis, but that's not probably a good comparison right now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, maybe. No, he's Robert Horry.
No, that's what he is.

Speaker 4 Let's say, like, the Wayne Redskie quote would apply really well for that situation.

Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely. All right.
My win of the week comes from Dodgers Stadium. As I mentioned earlier, the Dodgers defeated the Blue Jays in the World Series.

Speaker 2 The Dodgers held their parade, which eventually ended up going back to Dodger Stadium. And former Miami Marlin Kik Hernandez must have left his heart.
He's most important accent mark in the world.

Speaker 2 Thank you Dave Damashek. He must have, Kika

Speaker 2 must have left his heart in Miami and South Florida because he had said something while he had the mic in Dodger Stadium that might be a little bit familiar to Florida Panthers fans.

Speaker 2 And I want to take this time to apologize

Speaker 2 to a Suluvi fing nobody that triples yet. That's what the f he wants.

Speaker 2 Cato

Speaker 2 Deuces.

Speaker 4 I mean, he did a good job. I mean, he did what Kachuck did, or what was it?

Speaker 2 No, name it. Sam Bennett and Matthew Kachuk.

Speaker 4 They both did it. Yeah, oh, Bennett did it at the club, right?

Speaker 2 No, Bennett did not.

Speaker 1 No, Bennett did it at the parade.

Speaker 2 He was the one that was the first one. Okay.

Speaker 1 The double champ does what he wants.

Speaker 2 Now, I want you to keep in mind that Sam Bennett and Matthew Kachuck did it the exact same way. But on face-off, on Amazon Prime, they only took Matthew Ka-Chuck's version.

Speaker 2 So it seemed to me like it was a bit rehearsed.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he had time to prepare, but he did a good job. That was the point I was getting to.
Like, he may have been, you know, pulling what they did, but he did well.

Speaker 1 Florida Panthers trendsetters.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Can you believe that? Championship trendsettersetters.
I mean, if you're reading off of a script, then yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 Ethan, what's your win?

Speaker 1 All right, I've got a couple of things this week. First of all, I want to shout out my boys with the rubber puckies.

Speaker 1 Here's some video. My buddy Ross,

Speaker 1 this is his beer league team, and they actually got to play at Emarant Bank Arena last week. This is from last week, but here's him walking in.
Look how handsome this guy looks.

Speaker 1 I mean, amazing in the suit and the tie walking in. And then the boys were out at the arena playing on the actual ice where the double champs get to play.
So that was really cool.

Speaker 1 Shout out to the rubber puckies. Thanks so much, Rossi, for this jersey.
I absolutely love it. And of course, we got a rep.

Speaker 1 And if you want me to wear your jersey on the show, always, always send me any jersey I want.

Speaker 2 Ethan, I want you to turn around.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And show

Speaker 2 the back of your jersey. They got your name wrong.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't, you know, that's like my pet peeve is when people spell my name with an I, but it makes the jersey a little bit extra special. So I love it.
And it's special. It came from Rossi.

Speaker 1 It's it's awesome. Shout out the rubber puppies.

Speaker 2 We love our rubber puppies.

Speaker 4 The first person with the same last name and hockey nickname, they sound exactly the same, but the hockey nickname has the I and your last name has the Y.

Speaker 1 Well, my hockey nickname on our shirts, it had the Y, specifically because I love Budski, right? Budski, yeah, specifically because I hate when people spell my last name with an I.

Speaker 2 But again, this jersey is amazing. Yeah.
Yeah, I know. Well, you know,

Speaker 1 they gave the Russians a Y and they gave the Polish an I.

Speaker 2 Like, if you're not Sky,

Speaker 1 Bidows Skye. Yeah, but it's ski.
Our name also wasn't Bodowski when we came over to Ellis Island, but

Speaker 1 that's for another thing. I was always a dork.
My second win.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 1 you were always a dork, though. We're a country.

Speaker 2 I'm just saying. Yes, we are.
Yes, we are.

Speaker 1 My second win of the week, this is extra special to me this year.

Speaker 1 Bob, every year year he does a Hockey Fights Cancer. It's Hockey Fights Cancer Month across the NHL.
Sergei Bobrovsky, one of the best guys around.

Speaker 2 In October, correct?

Speaker 1 No, now in November.

Speaker 1 And so Bob's got his special mask

Speaker 1 that he rocks every month in the purple. And it's extra special because one of my friends, one of my dad's friends recently found out he has a brain tumor.

Speaker 1 Gabe from the Jacuzzi Boys, you know, a Miami music legend.

Speaker 1 We're thinking about you, buddy, and we love you. And I just wanted to take the time and shout you out because we're all thinking about you here at the show.

Speaker 1 And we love you and can't wait till you make a strong recovery, hopefully. So Hockey Fights Cancer Month, it's the best, and it has a little extra special meaning this year.

Speaker 1 And I love what the NHL is doing. So shout out to Bob.
He's the best.

Speaker 3 We've all been touched by

Speaker 2 cancer. We've all had family members who have gone through that idea.
I know my mom and my grandmother have gone through the same thing.

Speaker 2 So it's really nice to see that the players are going out on the ice and showing off

Speaker 2 this initiative. So that's excellent.
All right.

Speaker 2 Let's go to the fails. David, what's your fail?

Speaker 4 This one one I dedicate to you, Roy, even though you were kind of nice to the islanders.

Speaker 2 Hey, listen, it's the cinnamon, it's a cinnamon bun, all right? It's a cinnamon roll, bacon, egg, and cheese. Yeah, I told you, other than the egg,

Speaker 2 look me up.

Speaker 4 Sounds delicious.

Speaker 4 Maybe substitute the egg for some sausage or a little extra protein or, you know, figure out.

Speaker 2 Yeah, extra protein, yeah.

Speaker 4 Or a hash brown, maybe.

Speaker 2 Ooh, a hash brown.

Speaker 2 Interesting.

Speaker 2 Salt with the sweet. Yeah, I'm telling you.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And put a little syrup on there.
Well, you might not need the syrup.

Speaker 2 No, no, you got the frost.

Speaker 4 We're getting way far afield here.

Speaker 1 I'm hungry. Yeah.

Speaker 4 My fail of the week dedicated to Roy. Yeah.
Another opportunity to shit on the islanders a little bit. Or their fans, perhaps, as they were owned on social media by Nikita Zadorov the other night.

Speaker 4 So Zidorov went after

Speaker 2 Matthew Schaefer. Don't do that.

Speaker 2 Don't touch the rookie.

Speaker 1 Don't touch Matthew Schaefer.

Speaker 4 And Schaefer, to his credit, he kind of went in looking for a little bit of trouble. So obviously the Islanders went after him, after Zadorov.
So did the fans of the Islanders on social media.

Speaker 4 They flooded his DMs with hate for what he did to Matthew Schaefer. So what does Nikita Zidorov say to them? Get out of my DMs and get to the rank.

Speaker 7 Oh,

Speaker 4 is that true? Cheer for your team. That place was a library tonight.

Speaker 2 A library.

Speaker 2 Wow. Get your ass to the rank and cheer for your team.

Speaker 4 So nice try, Islanders fans, but I think Nikita Zidorov got the last laugh, both on Matthew Schaefer and on you.

Speaker 2 My fail of the week comes from the Penguins Jets game, and David, as a member of the Goaltenders Union, this is a big no-though, as Arthur Seeloff

Speaker 2 went out to play the puck. That's your first mistake.
Keep your ass in the crease. Keep your ass in the crease.

Speaker 1 He misplays the puck.

Speaker 2 It's taken away from him by Kyle Conner, and Seeloffs threw his stick

Speaker 2 at Connor, which is an automatic penalty shot, and Connor made him pay. It was a nasty deke.
Completely deeked him out of his pads. So, yeah, as you say, stay your ass in the crease.

Speaker 4 Reminded me of the goal that I think Verhady scored against Boston in the playoffs a few years ago, where Elena Almark tried to clear the puck and he shut it off the boards and it literally just went off the boards and went right back to him.

Speaker 4 And Verhe went around and scored. But I do not have a problem with him throwing his stick to try to stop a goal.

Speaker 1 Well, the league does.

Speaker 2 It's a penalty, isn't it?

Speaker 4 No, no, it's a penalty.

Speaker 2 It's a penalty shot. No, it's not a penalty.
It's a penalty shot.

Speaker 4 I don't have a problem with that. And you take the penalty shot because at least...

Speaker 2 You can stop it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I have a problem with playing the puck. That was a big mistake.
I don't have a problem with throwing a stick to try to stop the goal because you do whatever you have to do, your goaltender.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Ethan, what's your favorite?

Speaker 1 Guys, I don't know if you saw it. We're getting really close to the Olympics, and Team Canada released their jerseys for the Olympics.
And unfortunately, I am not a fan of this look at all.

Speaker 1 Let's put this up on the screen here. They went with a black leaf on the red jersey and the black jersey.
The black jersey, for whatever reason, the material, it looks like a garbage bag.

Speaker 2 No, you know what? It looks like it looks like the GIMP suit from

Speaker 1 that That is terrible. It's really, really bad.
And the biggest problem here is that they did such a great job.

Speaker 1 I should have put a picture in, but if you can kind of remember, or if you can go on your phone and Google it, the Four Nations look for Team Canada this year was so good.

Speaker 1 They looked so great this year.

Speaker 2 Uh-oh, what do we got? Amino's here. Amino has it.

Speaker 2 You guys are nuts.

Speaker 2 You guys like these

Speaker 2 fire. No,

Speaker 2 no, no, no. These are terrible.
Those are off fire. These are all

Speaker 2 these look good? How? You totally.

Speaker 1 The white is not horrible, but the red stripes are too freaking

Speaker 2 ridiculous.

Speaker 1 That black jersey is incredible.

Speaker 8 The only suggestion I would have made was for the red jersey, the least should have been white, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Or a white outline around it.

Speaker 1 But the black on black?

Speaker 2 Black on black.

Speaker 2 I want one.

Speaker 8 Let me be Canadian just so I can get one of those.

Speaker 1 Their Four Nations look was so good. They just had to follow the template of the Four Nations.

Speaker 1 Let me be Canadian for some other reasons, but also for these jerseys.

Speaker 4 Diverse. A little Olympic patch on the sun.

Speaker 2 The Olympic patch is fire. The Olympic patch is fire.
That you guys, I can't deny.

Speaker 2 I can't deny.

Speaker 8 You know what this show is? What?

Speaker 4 Xenophobic.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 We love Canada on this show.

Speaker 2 I mean, I love Canada. I love Montreal.
Get out. Santra Belle.
How dare you? Santra Belle. All right.

Speaker 2 As I said, that black jersey looks like the Gimp suit.

Speaker 4 Very accurate.

Speaker 2 And those two different red colors on purpose.

Speaker 2 Suit.

Speaker 1 They had such a good thing going with their Four Nation look. It was so good, so classic.
I don't know why they went away from it.

Speaker 2 All right, and I did just fill my water.

Speaker 2 If you are watching on DKN, you can log on to youtube.com and watch our next interview. This is Julian McKenzie.
He writes hockey. He writes about hockey for the athletic.

Speaker 2 Julian McKenzie is coming up next.

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Speaker 2 Julian McKenzie writes about hockey footy athletic.

Speaker 2 He does an excellent job and he's also written a book that's coming out in February called Black Aces, Essential Stories from Hockey's Black Trailblazers.

Speaker 2 And for that book, he interviewed a lot of people, including Jerome McGuinla, Grant Fur, Sarah Nurse, PK Suban, George LaRock. Oh, I like that one.

Speaker 2 Anson Carter and Blake Bolden, who's a friend of the show. He interviewed a lot of others.
Now, before I get into the book,

Speaker 2 This idiot in the other studio mentioned Sidney Crosby and Alex O'Hare. What did I do?

Speaker 3 I was editing something and I heard this idiot in the other studio.

Speaker 2 Like, I was in a good mood. Julius.
I was happy. And then you happened to mention Sidney Crosby, and now

Speaker 2 my whole demeanor is gone. And this brings me to something that I wanted to mention in A-Block.

Speaker 2 The National Hockey League, who continually stuffs these, this guy, Sidney Crosby, down our throats, for the past 20 years,

Speaker 2 has done it again. The NHLPR department, who has a Twitter account, posted this.
Sidney Crosby scored his 10th and 11th goals last night. It took him 15 goals to score 10 or more goals.

Speaker 2 With those 15 games, it's the third fewest games to reach double-digit goals for a player age 38 or over in NHL history.

Speaker 4 You've already lost me. These are getting so specific.

Speaker 2 Like, what are we doing here? Stop!

Speaker 2 Stop!

Speaker 2 I'm sorry, I just had to get to get that out. All right, back to the book, Julian.

Speaker 1 But your question for Julian was: do these two hate each other?

Speaker 2 No, that's not my question. question i just wanted to get off my soapbox oh no i i just wanted to get that out there so julian what inspired you to write this book

Speaker 7 i'm confused about the hate for greatness of sydney crosby

Speaker 3 it's it's it's a thing it's been that since the show existed since the show existed

Speaker 7 for a lot longer than that we need to unpack this because like as as a canadian who you know obviously has watched the crosby versus ovechkin battle as long as those two have been in the league like I've grown to appreciate the rivalry, the fact that we have guys in the league at their pedestal who we could pit against each other, who have also had their place in North American sports mainstream culture.

Speaker 7 Like,

Speaker 7 why are we hating on what we've got going on here? It's like the 99th time these two guys have met, including the playoffs. No, no, no.

Speaker 2 It's not the matchup. It's Sidney Crosby.

Speaker 7 That's what it is. You just don't like Sid.

Speaker 2 I don't like Sidney Crosby.

Speaker 7 My thing is Sid. So you're just mad about 2010 then?

Speaker 3 That's exactly what I was just going to say.

Speaker 2 I'm still mad about 2010. I'm mad about 10.
I'm still mad about 2010.

Speaker 1 I'm still mad about 2010. I'm also mad about the three cups he's won and how they shove them down our throats and stuff.
But for me, it all starts and ends.

Speaker 7 You're wearing a Panthers hat.

Speaker 7 You have back-to-back cups.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but that just happened. That's something I love.

Speaker 7 Listen,

Speaker 7 that's great for you guys. And I'll be honest.

Speaker 2 I'll be honest, Julian.

Speaker 1 When he comes down and brings us a third straight, that's not happening, it's going to be

Speaker 7 in on that. We get enough trouble on that on the Chris Johnson show with that.
Don't do that.

Speaker 2 Listen,

Speaker 2 like Sidney Crosby was drafted 20 years ago. Beforehand, the National Hockey League stuffed him down.
He was the next golden boy.

Speaker 2 It was almost like he was.

Speaker 7 He was living up to that promise. What did you want him to do?

Speaker 2 Not I want the league to showcase other players in this league, not have this guy guy show up on my TV 18 times a season for no apparent reason. They didn't even make the playoffs last year.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but they're first place in the East right now.

Speaker 7 If you want to have a genuine discussion about this, I don't.

Speaker 2 That's what you have to understand about Roy.

Speaker 4 Mike has been dropped.

Speaker 2 That's what you have to understand. He doesn't want to have a genuine conversation.
All right, I'm good.

Speaker 2 What I want to know is... No, no, no, no.
This leads me back to my original question. What inspired you to write this book?

Speaker 7 All right. What inspired me to write Black Aces?

Speaker 7 I just thought it'd be really cool to write a series of profiles on

Speaker 7 important black hockey players. I was approached with an idea of writing a book in August or September 2023, and the idea came to

Speaker 7 just to... It just came to my head.
I was in the shower one day and it happened.

Speaker 7 And then I had the opportunity to approach a couple of different NHL players and female hockey players and asked them if they'd be willing to be profiled.

Speaker 7 And that's what led to Black Aces being a thing, getting an opportunity to speak to Jerome McGinla about his career and talking to other people about Jerome McGinla and his career, like Sidney Crosby.

Speaker 7 Sorry to tell you.

Speaker 4 Any excuse to drop his name. Good grief.

Speaker 7 No, no, but seriously,

Speaker 7 to get the opportunity to write that book and to write these profiles and to get other people to speak about their legacies and all these other different stories about them.

Speaker 7 I wasn't sure if we had ever seen like a project of that size.

Speaker 7 We've seen other books where, you know, maybe two or three players might get profiled, but I think we've reached a point in the league where black people,

Speaker 7 there's been so many great players who have come over the last how many decades and have made an impact. It was just cool to have that opportunity to write about them.

Speaker 7 And even if, you know, not every single player is mentioned in this book, I've had people for the last how many weeks say, like, oh, is this guy in it? Is this guy in it? Is this guy in it?

Speaker 7 I still hope people get something out of the people I've profiled. And that's, and I know you mentioned some of the names off top, but I hope people enjoy stories from guys like Tony McCagney.

Speaker 7 Blake Bolden, I know, was mentioned, but Kelsey Koesler is someone else

Speaker 7 I think people will be really interested in learning about. Or Dante Abercrombie, who's in charge of a hockey program at an HBCU.
I hope people enjoy those stories too.

Speaker 2 Not giving the book away, but you talked to all these people. What was

Speaker 2 a particular story that you believe would be eye-opening?

Speaker 7 I hope people who aren't familiar with Herb Carnegie take something away from that chapter.

Speaker 7 For those who are not familiar, people regard Herb Carnegie as arguably the best black hockey player to never make it to the NHL. And yeah, there were opportunities, so to speak.

Speaker 7 But I think once you read the book and you understand further context, you'll know why

Speaker 7 ultimately his dream didn't happen. But I think the story that resonates,

Speaker 7 that resonates with me the most,

Speaker 7 there's a story where he was, I want to say he was really young. He was in his teenage years and he was playing for a local team that happened to be practicing one day

Speaker 7 at the Toronto Gardens. And the Maple Leafs were playing there at the time.

Speaker 7 And Con Smythe, who at the time ruled everything with the Toronto Maple Leafs he's watching from a distance he's watching Herb and his teammates practice and the story goes that uh Con Smythe got an assistant coach to talk to Herb and tell him that if

Speaker 7 if the if the leaves could find a way to turn Herb Carnegie white they'd find a way to put him on their team tomorrow Like that's a really messed up story to hear.

Speaker 7 And while doing research for the story, I came across an interview that Elliot Friedman from Sportsnet did with Herb Carnegie, where he's talking to him about,

Speaker 7 obviously, his life in the game of hockey, his career over the last how many decades. And when they discuss that moment where Herb is being told by that coach about

Speaker 7 the story I just told you,

Speaker 7 he gets emotional. He almost kind of lashes back.
And he full-on breaks down in this interview. So I really wanted to talk to Elliot about what had happened.

Speaker 7 And he was just so shocked about being in there, being there for that moment and obviously feeling emotional.

Speaker 7 And I hope that, you know, people read that story and get an understanding of how good Herb Carnegie was. I mean, the name of the book is Black Aces.

Speaker 7 And I thought if

Speaker 7 I were to do that book and not have Herb Carnegie, who was considered a black ace when he played on an all-black line while playing semi-pro hockey up in in Quebec.

Speaker 7 Like, what are we doing here, right? So I felt it was really important to highlight his story.

Speaker 7 And I'm especially happy not only that his story is in there, but the way that chapter ends where you're highlighting all of these other different firsts from black hockey players,

Speaker 7 it meant a lot to write that chapter.

Speaker 2 Man, that is a backhanded compliment, and that backhand literally slapped him in the face. That's terrible.
It's hard to hear.

Speaker 4 Julian, the names of the people that you spoke to, I mean, you talked about Herb Carnegie, taught, you know, Roy mentioned a bunch of more

Speaker 4 present guys, Droma Junla, PK Suban, Grant Fur, obviously, 80s. So

Speaker 4 what I'm framing is you talk to a lot of different people from a lot of different generations, right? Did you notice like the storyline, the experiences improving as we got more current with players?

Speaker 4 Or has it been more of like a steady pace of just unfortunate and

Speaker 4 I'm having trouble just like coming up with the right words, but it like did the way that the players of color were treated evolve as you spoke to people from newer generations or has it been kind of a straight line of not good?

Speaker 7 I would say that there's definitely some sort of evolution.

Speaker 7 I would I would the biggest thing I would I would think with some of the younger newer generation players like even someone like PK Suban, for example, who like I consider that as like my era when I was still a fan of a team.

Speaker 7 That was a player. I was like, yeah, like I want to be like that guy.

Speaker 7 PK Suban, when he enters the league, there are players who look like him that he could look at and be like, yeah, like I'd love to be like, for example, Kevin Weeks.

Speaker 7 He was at his camp once upon a time, right? Or other guys who came up from Toronto or Scarborough or any of those neighboring areas, he could always look at, for examples.

Speaker 7 When you think of guys like Jerome McGinla or Grant Fear, there were fewer examples of black hockey players.

Speaker 7 Like Joe McGinla specifically had mentioned a few times that, you know, there would be people who would come up to him and be like, yeah, you want to play, but like, there's no black hockey players.

Speaker 7 Like, what are you doing? Right?

Speaker 7 Like, I think the most interesting thing is seeing the younger generation of players enter the league or want to play hockey, but they know that there are other examples that they could look at.

Speaker 7 Like, Sarah Nurse, like, looked at George Leroc as an example. Like, she's someone's like, oh, yeah, wow, like, that's someone I could play as in NHL video games.

Speaker 7 But also, even to bring it to the women's side, too, like, I also have to mention, like, Angela James is also in this book. Yeah.
Now,

Speaker 7 this is someone who I needed to have profiled. This is someone I was not able to talk to directly, but I was still able to get so many people to speak about her legacy.

Speaker 7 But we're talking about someone who was arguably the best at her sport at a time when you could barely watch it. on on television.
And for someone like Sarah Nurse, they would have loved to have known

Speaker 7 who she she was like as as a player it took them years after the fact to realize who they were but they were still able to watch women's hockey on TV and during the O2 Olympics when that started to become more and more of a thing right like I would say and maybe this is a long-winded way of answering the question but I think the biggest

Speaker 7 the biggest thing to point at in the evolution of older players to younger players it's their influences and and players who came before them the examples set before them there's a lot more of that in some of the younger players compared to some of the older players profiled.

Speaker 1 All right, Julianne, big question here. The book is called Black Aces.
There's a very prominent black ace on NHL television right now.

Speaker 1 Did you talk to Anson Carter about whether he gave himself the nickname Ace?

Speaker 7 So I'll tell you this.

Speaker 7 When I initially interviewed Anson, we talked about a lot of different things and the nickname did not come up. But

Speaker 7 someone tweeted at me like, hey, you should get the nickname in. And I I thought, well, you know what? It would be cool to see if we can get the nickname there.

Speaker 7 Not a maybe,

Speaker 7 I mean, maybe it's a spoiler, maybe it isn't.

Speaker 7 It's not that elaborate of a story, but it is mentioned very briefly how the nickname Ace came to be for

Speaker 7 Anselm Carter.

Speaker 2 I'm hanging on the edge of my seat right now.

Speaker 2 Did he give it to himself?

Speaker 7 I think you got to read the book to figure it out.

Speaker 2 Oh, there it is. There it is.
Figure it out. I want to read the book.
Just to figure it out. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. I'm going to let that hang.

Speaker 1 John Cooper calling him out the other night was really funny.

Speaker 2 I thought so. That made me think of it.
That made me think of it.

Speaker 7 That was so good.

Speaker 2 At last, check.

Speaker 2 There's about 7%

Speaker 2 of players of color in the National Hockey League right now.

Speaker 2 It feels like just above 50 players.

Speaker 2 We're looking at this at a grassroots

Speaker 2 depth here.

Speaker 2 What are some suggestions that you might have for the game to grow to bump that number up?

Speaker 7 I you have to find ways to make the sport more accessible. I mean,

Speaker 7 I think that's a pretty easy place to start. You look at other sports like basketball and soccer, you don't need nearly as much to get into those sports in terms of an entry cost.

Speaker 7 And also, if we're talking about black people getting into those sports, it gets so much easier for black people to see themselves in the NBA or to see themselves playing soccer, even Major League Baseball to a certain degree, just in terms of just the players that they've seen come before them, but also the cost.

Speaker 7 Like in Canada, there was a point, I don't know if it's still the case, it might still be the case, where like you could spend as much putting your kid through hockey compared to like if you wanted to put them through like equestrian or horse jumping.

Speaker 7 Like these, like hockey is seen,

Speaker 7 it's obviously seen as the sport in Canada, but there's so much that goes into buying equipment and

Speaker 7 putting them into registration for certain programs. And if your kid is really good,

Speaker 7 are you putting them in a high-level training program year-round or at different parts of the year? Are you letting them, you know, pursue their opportunities to go play major junior or

Speaker 7 pursue the collegiate route? Like, there's so much that goes into putting your kid into

Speaker 7 hockey that, you know, it just

Speaker 7 you get priced out if you are not a family that could afford that type of lifestyle.

Speaker 7 Like, even hanging around in NHL locker rooms, where sometimes I'll talk to players and sometimes you'll hear them discuss like the cost of putting their kids into hockey and buying stuff for them.

Speaker 7 Like, it's not cheap. Like, I get it.

Speaker 7 If you make a certain amount of money, like, you're not thinking about it that much, but like, if you're on like close to a Vet Min, you're thinking about it a lot more, right?

Speaker 7 Like, making $7.50, one mil, like you're thinking about that a lot more, even. The fact that we're at that point is really surprising to me.
But I think

Speaker 7 the fact that there are initiatives where you think of people like the Hockey Diversity Alliance that are trying to make it a little bit more accessible for

Speaker 7 people of color to get into the game.

Speaker 7 Obviously, there's the player coalition that the NHL started as well. They're trying to do their work too.

Speaker 7 I think it's a combination of making the game affordable, but also accessible and having players of color, having people of color see people who look like them who are playing the sport, and letting them know that there's a possibility where that culture can actually accept them, which brings us to a whole other thing about just the discussion of hockey culture as it is, right?

Speaker 7 Where there's a lot of gatekeeping. Unfortunately, there's a lot of discrimination still that persists.

Speaker 7 And it doesn't make a space like hockey all that welcoming for people who look like you and I, Roy. So I think a lot of that has to change.
It's a lot of systemic changes that have to happen.

Speaker 4 In terms of growing the game, building off what you were just saying, how much do you think it helps that not just there are players that look like you on the ice, but when young fans are tuning in to watch on TV, they see guys like Anson Carter breaking things down.

Speaker 4 They can go onto social media and see a Kevin Weeks breaking the biggest stories in hockey.

Speaker 4 So you would think that that would also help kind of open the game up for a lot of people, not just the ones that are playing.

Speaker 7 Absolutely.

Speaker 7 And if you are someone who recognizes from a young age that you might not want to, or you might not want to, or you might not feel you're able to play hockey at a high level, the fact that you're able to see a David Amber on Sportsnet or Hockey Night in Canada, a PK Suban on ESPN, or Anton Carter, as you mentioned earlier, or even if you look at more like regional broadcasts, right?

Speaker 7 Like Devontae Swift Pelley has done a lot of stuff on

Speaker 7 regional broadcasts, for example, or Jean-Rucle-Pierre has done work for the Columbus Blue Jackets, for example, or back in Montreal, Jean-Jarac hosts his own radio show and talks about hockey.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like it's so many different guys who have made their names in that space as black hockey players who have found ways into the media space and i think that could totally resonate with with young people who you know if they don't see themselves playing maybe an opportunity to cover the sport as another way in and i'll go one step further you know mike greer as as gm of an nhl team i i've i've always been the belief where yes it's good when you get people who are featured on air or on ice in this instance but if you get more people who work behind the scenes, that is a huge key.

Speaker 7 So seeing a guy like Mike Greer rise rise up to become a GM of the San Jose Sharks, seeing someone like Brett Peterson become an AGM with the Florida Panthers after being a player agent, or Eustace King, who's a player agent, or John Osay Tutu, another player agent.

Speaker 7 Like, it's not just black hockey players or black referees. You got to mention black referees too.
Like,

Speaker 7 the impact of black people on the sport of hockey,

Speaker 7 it's there.

Speaker 7 It's apparent. And it shouldn't.
be something that people have to go sifting through and looking for.

Speaker 7 It shouldn't just be a thing where, you know, if black people decide we're going to go to a hockey game and we watch a game, we're just going to be like, man, it's just these white boys fighting each other.

Speaker 7 No, there's, we exist. We're in this sport.
There's a presence of us. It shouldn't, and the more that's shown at the forefront, the less of a surprise it is for everybody.

Speaker 2 I was going to mention the executive level with Brett Peterson being the assistant GM with the Panthers and the GM of USA hockey, with Mike Greer being the GM at San Jose.

Speaker 2 With Kim Davis being the executive vice president in the league office, and there's this one there's the Boyd family Dr.

Speaker 2 Joel Boyd is the wild team physician his entire family's in this sport his daughter Kendall by the way Seattle probably the most progressive team that we have in this league yeah Kendall is the senior vice president of finance with the Kraken Kyle Boyd is Seattle's senior director of fan development and Casey Boyd also coaches youth hockey in Seattle.

Speaker 2 So my original question was going to be, do you believe there's going to be an uptick of people people in color in the executive branches, in the NHL and its member clubs?

Speaker 7 I think the fact that we have presences already, I wouldn't be surprised, right? Like whether with executives or even behind the bench, like we've seen guys, we've seen an influx

Speaker 7 in talented black people make their way in those realms. I definitely think we're going to see an uptick.
How big of an uptick? That's a different question.

Speaker 7 Whether slow, though or fast or whatever pace we go at here, I think the fact that there is going to be something to to look at in terms of progress is still significant.

Speaker 7 Like, how long until we talk about Joel Ward as a viable head coaching candidate, right? An assistant right now at the Vegas Golden Knights.

Speaker 7 Like, that's someone who could easily be in line for a job if an opportunity opens up, whether through expansion down the road or some other opportunity opens up.

Speaker 7 I mean, we know how few and far between these coaching jobs are and how long the lifespan is for certain people.

Speaker 7 But I think we're definitely going to see some sort of uptick, whether it's a slow burn or maybe it's at a different pace.

Speaker 7 And that has everything to do with the people who are in place, but also the path that it takes for people to get there.

Speaker 7 Think of guys like Dante Abercrombie, as I mentioned before, working at Tennessee State, who got to work with a guy like Graham Townsend, who worked as an assistant coach for the leagues as a skating coach.

Speaker 7 Like the fact that a path is laid out for certain people, expect more people to take that path.

Speaker 2 And finally,

Speaker 2 is there a moment in time in the National Hockey League where you can point to that you can really say that hockey is really quote unquote for everyone? Or has that feeling not happened yet?

Speaker 7 That's a good question. I think there are moments, small moments, where people of color can look at the game and maybe feel a little relieved and say, hey, you know what?

Speaker 7 Maybe that is a good moment, but I think there's still so much to go. There's still so many ways to go, right? Like I think of a guy like Jabril Touré, who

Speaker 7 during a preseason game with the Ottawa Senators in the rookie tournament, you know, he gets into a fight with a couple guys on the leafs, his helmet comes off and a do rag is on his head, right?

Speaker 7 Like that's not something we're used to seeing. And to see people be pleasantly surprised.
Like I remember talking about it with George LeRoc and Devontae Smith-Pelly about it.

Speaker 7 They were pleasantly surprised at the reaction that people had, where it was overwhelmingly positive. And of course, there were negative comments to come.
That's the next step in all this.

Speaker 7 Like, we have to find a way to see fewer and fewer moments like that.

Speaker 7 But I think the fact that we're seeing more and more people, at least it feels like that to me, we're seeing more and more people be

Speaker 7 open to that type of progression. That leads me to think that maybe we're starting to get to a better place, but there's still so many ways to go in terms of the sport being truly for everybody.

Speaker 7 And I think it's cool that there are people actively working to make that happen.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and this brings a memory for me. It wasn't not 30 years ago when for the first time ever I saw,

Speaker 2 and this is when Anson Carter grew his hair, and George Laroc were in dreads. Never seen that in that sport before.
And I'm sure nobody else has.

Speaker 7 That's, that's like seeing stuff like that, it matters to people. And, you know, people get on and say, like, oh, well, why do people care so much about representation and blah, blah, blah, whatever?

Speaker 7 But like, that stuff matters. If you see it, you can believe it, right? Like, I'm sure you've heard that before.
Like, that's something that matters to people.

Speaker 7 And like, you think, I think of Anson Carter. You mentioned Anson Carter dreads.
I think of him at the 03 World Championship scoring that overtime game winning goal for Canada beating Sweden.

Speaker 7 Like, that to me is

Speaker 7 a hockey moment that I will remember forever. I was at my grandmother's house.
She has a TV. She had a TV upstairs.
I was watching that alone. The review was super long, like 10, 15 minutes.

Speaker 7 Like I think it's the longest review that's ever been done for a goal like that. But like the speed, the wraparound, everything, like that is a moment.
that sticks in my brain.

Speaker 7 And one of the most vivid things I remember is Anson Carter celebrating and his dreads just like flowing. Like stuff like that matters, I think, to a lot of people.

Speaker 7 And it should matter.

Speaker 4 That kind of leads me to the last thing I wanted to ask you about because we've been talking so much about growing the game and influencing young people. How did you get into the game of hockey?

Speaker 4 Because you're obviously extremely passionate about it and you have a wide, a vast, wide majority or knowledge of the game.

Speaker 4 How did you get into it, Julian?

Speaker 7 I'm from Montreal originally, and that's a city that considers hockey a religion. You know, you go to school, like growing up as a kid in elementary school, all your friends are talking about hockey.

Speaker 7 You turn on the TV, even if you don't have cable, hockey is on. Like I watched a lot of hockey on CBC.
Being in Montreal was super weird because

Speaker 7 in the early days when if you were trying to watch on a certain channel in English, because obviously Montreal and Quebec is super French, for whatever reason, they weren't going to show a lot of Canadians games.

Speaker 7 They showed you a lot of Toronto and Ottawa games. So I watched a lot of that growing up.
But if I wanted to watch the Montreal Canadians, I'd have to watch in French.

Speaker 7 And as I got older and I continued to learn the French language more, I watched a lot of French language broadcasts where you'd watch the Canadians.

Speaker 7 And that's how a lot of people, a lot of Anglophones who, you know, who happen to live in Quebec, who might not know the language as well, that's an easy way for them to learn how to speak French.

Speaker 7 Like that helped me a lot with learning how to speak French as a kid. So I think a lot of that had to do with my upbringing,

Speaker 7 the fact that hockey matters so much in the home city I'm from. And the fact that, I don't know, just I embraced it for what it was because everyone around me embraced it.

Speaker 7 And even like, even if my family members were not always the most like devout hockey fans, like my dad and I will, we will watch hockey on TV sometimes together. My grandfather,

Speaker 7 he immigrated to Canada from Jamaica and he ended up being a Boston Bruins fan. Like he didn't see himself in the Munch Rocket Aids fan base.
He saw himself as a Bruins fan.

Speaker 7 Like hockey has just always been a big part of my life, and it has given me so much as a, as a journalist and, and a soon-to-be author.

Speaker 7 So, yeah, I've just, it's just always been a big part of the video games. I didn't even mention all the NHL video games I played as a kid.
Like, it's just been such a big part of my life growing up.

Speaker 7 So, yeah, it's just, I think, I think it had a lot to do with everything I was exposed to growing up.

Speaker 2 Black Aces Essential Stories from Hockey's Black Trailblazers. That comes out in February.
So please go and get Julian's book. It is going to be a good read for everybody.

Speaker 2 Julian McKenzie from The Athletic. Thank you for joining us.

Speaker 7 Roy, David, thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 2 All right, it's time for the Panthers then. The Panthers, since their 4-3 winning shootout at home against the Dallas Stars, went on the road.

Speaker 2 They have a four-game road trip, and they have completed two of those games. They lost to Anaheim 7-3, and last night defeated the Kings 5-2.

Speaker 2 They play the Sharks tomorrow, and they play at Vegas on Monday before coming back home to have a five-game home stand starting Thursday, November 13th. And they have...

Speaker 2 What, 11 of 12 games at home once they get back? There's a little pesky trip to Nashville in the middle.

Speaker 4 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven. That's right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the home schedule is loaded in the first half of the season before the Olympic break.

Speaker 1 If you look at the home schedule after the Olympic break, the Panthers don't have a Saturday home game like after like January 31st, I'm pretty sure, which is crazy to me.

Speaker 1 Their schedule is really light at home in the back half of the season. So it's good to load up on home points.
And their road form has been tough.

Speaker 1 I mean, they got the win last night against the Kings, but that got them to 2-5 on the road so far.

Speaker 2 Not 2-5-1 to five-year-olds. 2-5-1

Speaker 2 on the road.

Speaker 4 Home Saturday game is January 31st. That's really weird.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. That's really weird.

Speaker 2 You know what that means? More time with the family.

Speaker 2 No more Saturday night games. But yeah, they went into this Kings game

Speaker 2 coming off of a very poor effort.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I was going to say

Speaker 2 in the third period. In the third period against the Ducks.
A very,

Speaker 2 very poor effort.

Speaker 2 They hung with them for the first two periods, and then the wheels just fell off. I mean, mean, but it didn't feel like a Panther game, though.

Speaker 4 It didn't. It was too much of a rush back and forth.
Like, that's not the game they want to play.

Speaker 2 No, Cuta Gautier had a hat-trick and an assist. He had a four-point knight.

Speaker 2 But Leo Carson, who had two assists, hit to the head, had a of Evan Rodriguez, had a match penalty for interference and a game of conduct.

Speaker 2 Two goals in the second came within a minute 43, and the three goals in the third period happened within three minutes and four seconds.

Speaker 2 It was just disabled, except Brad Marshawn and Sam Reinhart, who have been true to form so far.

Speaker 4 Marshan's carrying the team, man. Like, his offense has been so good.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They needed a finisher, and he has been the finisher so far because Carter Verhey struggling to hit the back of the net.
Reinhard's finally getting going after a bit of a slow start.

Speaker 1 I think he had two in his first eight. He's got...
I think six straight games with a goal or something like that, maybe five straight games with a goal.

Speaker 1 But Marshan has been the guy from the beginning, from the beginning that has just been finishing all of his chances. He had another snipe last night on a breakaway.
He's just been awesome.

Speaker 1 And at 37 years old, I don't think any of us expected certain. I mean, look, coming into the year, right, we thought, well, it would be Barkov and Kachuk, and they don't have either of them.

Speaker 1 But he has been the guy that has stepped up in that gap, and he's been phenomenal so far.

Speaker 4 Just thinking in terms of 37-year-old duos in the NHL. The Panthers have...
Brad Martian and Sergey Bobrovsky, arguably two Hall of Famers.

Speaker 4 Is there a better senior duo in the league anywhere on the same team?

Speaker 2 It'd be hard to imagine.

Speaker 2 Shut the hell up.

Speaker 4 And to answer your question, Rhino has got goals in five of six, and Marshand has points in six straight, and he's got six goals during his run.

Speaker 1 Sam Reinhart's a cy Young candidate right now. He's seven and one so far.
He's got seven goals to his one assist.

Speaker 1 He is a cy Young candidate early in the year, but he's been awesome. I mean, his defensive work is always going to be so strong.
Now he's finally getting it going with the, you know, the offense.

Speaker 1 And last night, guys, you know where the Panthers took the Kings in the third period?

Speaker 4 God. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Finally, it hadn't happened.

Speaker 1 Their record is now 3-0-0 when leading in the third period, but it feels like they haven't gone to Shutdown City at all this year. But last night was prime shutdown city.

Speaker 1 Not only do they get the two goals, but it just felt like the Kings never threatened in that third period. They had maybe one or two chances, and Bob was phenomenal last night.

Speaker 4 The power plays had me concerned.

Speaker 4 They couldn't stay out of the penalty box a little bit, but then Anton Lundell shut us all up with that shorthanded goal to give them the two-goal lead in the third period.

Speaker 4 But that's probably, as they continue on this trip, the thing that they got to clean up is the penalties.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the penalty kill is in the latter third right now in the NHL. It hasn't been good lately.

Speaker 2 They allowed a power play goal last night to the Kings, but they did get a shorthanded goal from Anton Lundell.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and the two big kills late. So, you know, ride that momentum.

Speaker 1 Here's one concern I have as well as watching last night.

Speaker 1 The Panthers have one goal from a defenseman so far this year, and I think it has a lot to do with Barkoff missing because they're not trying to pinch in as much because they have to do a little more defensive cover because they don't have Barkey back to help them.

Speaker 1 And look what happened. That Mikey Anderson pass that split Gustav Forsling and Aaron Eckblad and led to the Corey Perry breakaway.

Speaker 1 Like, that's not a pass that happens against the Florida Panthers very often. That was all the way up the ice from the, I think from the goal line to the far blue line.
That was amazing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was from the face-off circle to near the blue line. Corey Perry caught that stretch pass.
It just, what are we doing?

Speaker 4 That guy hates the Florida Panthers. Did you see him fighting at the end of the game? He was going at it with Meeker in the game.
Then he fought Creer at the end of the game.

Speaker 4 That guy, he hates the Florida Panthers so much.

Speaker 2 And they hate him.

Speaker 4 I don't think they care. I think, just like with anybody else, they just laugh.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh, you're mad?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Two more road games for the Panthers before they return home. The Panthers are 5-1-1 at home.

Speaker 4 They better win on Saturday, dude. I'm sorry, but they're getting San Jose.
San Jose will be on the second end of a back-to-back. Ford will be rested.

Speaker 2 Ford will be hungry. Better than what we thought.

Speaker 1 I know that San Jose.

Speaker 2 Macklin Celebrini is

Speaker 2 tied for points, right?

Speaker 1 He leads the NHL in points, right? Or did Crosby pass him with his two goals last night? He's right at the top of the leaderboard.

Speaker 4 He's going to make Celebrini and McDavid tied at the top of the lead with 21 points apiece. And then there's like six guys right behind him with 20 points.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so that's what the Panthers have to look forward to against the Sharks before they go to Vegas and ending this road trip. Thank God.
All right. For Gino and Jason,

Speaker 2 for Ethan, and for David, we'd like to thank Julian McKenzie for joining us as well. Rosie,

Speaker 4 we miss you.

Speaker 2 Please be able to get back home because right now

Speaker 2 there's an air traffic controller shortage and it's going to be tough getting home. So please, for the love of God.

Speaker 10 Yeah, they told me, so maybe I will not get home.

Speaker 2 Just drive.

Speaker 4 You know, North Carolina is not that far away.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I get, yeah, just drive, rent a car, and drive home. Just get back.
If you have to.

Speaker 2 If you have to. My name is Roy Bellamy.
This has been The Hockey Show. We will see you next week, everybody.
Thank you for joining us.

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