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Speaker 1 Chris, people will see your costume in a moment, and I don't know if you're wearing this to highlight tonight, but I would like an update from the bowels of that costume that tells me what's going on tonight with the cyclones.

Speaker 3 What costume?

Speaker 1 Why would I wear this to highlight?

Speaker 1 Is the first question. I'm having trouble hearing you, so maybe don't lead with me.

Speaker 1 So your headphones aren't working. Now it's better.
Now it's better. Your headphones aren't working right.

Speaker 1 You just told Roy three seconds ago that you don't think you can do the EP job today, which doesn't seem like the way to do this.

Speaker 1 Correct. Confirmed.
Confirmand. I'm in a bear suit, and this is going to suck.
I had 70 chicken nuggets a couple days ago, and this somehow seems like it's going to be worse.

Speaker 3 Hey, Bear, how's the eyesight doing inside that costume?

Speaker 1 You know, I'm looking through my mouth at the moment. That's the better eyesight.
He's trying to get a claw to turn on the mic, but the problem is the claw kind of bends. So it's not like a hard claw.

Speaker 1 You should have a soft claw.

Speaker 1 Tony, if you'd seen what just happened before the show is he got in his customary seat, he tried to look at like the console and stuff, and he's like, Roy, he went immediately to the bullpen because he hadn't considered when wearing a bear costume that his job might be more difficult.

Speaker 1 So difficult that the one button he has to press in the seat back there, he can't.

Speaker 1 And I keep seeing his teeth go up in the air every time he wants to talk to me because he can't see out of the console. We're cooking now.
We're cooking.

Speaker 1 We're cooking with gas.

Speaker 3 You got a stylus or something to put in a pin.

Speaker 1 There it is. I got makeup this morning.
I was like, I don't know why.

Speaker 1 Again, I was asking you about the cyclones, not the difficulty in doing your job that represents fewer responsibilities than you usually have today. Big one tonight, Dano.

Speaker 1 Why is it big?

Speaker 1 It's us versus Keda.

Speaker 1 That's how I'm looking at it. They're all big this time of the year in the battle court season.
The regular season's winding down, and the cyclones are in firm control of first place.

Speaker 1 You think this is Chris skirting responsibility? When he ate the 70 nuggets the other day, he just sat there on two gummies and just ate chicken fingers. What are you talking about? Gummies?

Speaker 1 We don't have to tell Dan about that part. Whoa.
You think I can't tell when the gummies are in your eyes?

Speaker 1 You think that's something that escapes my attention in your performance? Believe it or not, first time I ever did it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm going to go with the not on believe it or not there. I don't see you as a very responsible person.

Speaker 1 At work is what I mean. I hated it, honestly.
It was, I couldn't talk. Everyone was looking at me.

Speaker 1 Every time I spoke, everyone's like, oh, you're high.

Speaker 3 Dad, there was a part where Chris actually tried to make a serious point. I don't remember what we were talking about.
I think we were talking about the dolphins.

Speaker 3 But you could tell the thoughts were all kind of just bumping into each other on the way out of his mouth.

Speaker 1 He was so high.

Speaker 3 And we all started laughing. And then he got really self-conscious.
And that's when he put the sunglasses on.

Speaker 1 He has told me a number of times this morning that he ate 70 chicken nuggets. And I just saw a graphic that now appears to be a lie that said on our YouTube 99 chicken nuggets were consumed.

Speaker 1 That was the goal. So, but you stopped 29 short? I would say that I would say I did well.
He gave out. I mean, the punishment was the attempt.
Go as far as you could go. And his body just quit.

Speaker 1 Come on.

Speaker 1 The punishment is attempting. I feel like the punishment, I feel like Billy ended up at the hospital because we forced him to eat the remainder of the onion.
Billy had two bites of the onion.

Speaker 3 Number one, he didn't eat an onion. He did two bites of that.
Number two, Billy did not want to eat eat an onion. That man over there, that bear over there, definitely wanted some chicken nuggets.

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Speaker 1 Miguel Rojas.

Speaker 1 I know I'm late to the proceedings here, but I was taken a little bit aback by how excited Los Angeles is about the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 I consider them a pretty indifferent sports town, And it made me realize while I'm there, oh, that's how everyone experienced the Miami Heat winning the championship when they had LeBron and Dwayne and Chris Bosch, which is I'm walking through a bunch of people who are saying, did you see that overtime game?

Speaker 1 Like, they don't know what they're talking about, but they were very excited about the Dodgers. And I'm like, you had all the best players.

Speaker 1 How can you be this excited when you've got all of the best players? But

Speaker 1 it really doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 I got that going like, you had all the best players. How could you be this?

Speaker 1 Oh, now I get it. Yeah, Yeah, now I get it.
Yeah, that's that's that's, but I didn't even realize it, right? Slow realism.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I slowly realized, oh, that's how the nation felt when the heat was winning those championships. What is that? What is that region so excited about?

Speaker 3 That's why they were bullying in Memphis and Utah.

Speaker 1 I'm reading a headline here on ESPN.com. Broncos admit offense is lagging following ugly win over Raiders.

Speaker 1 They don't need to admit it. Dan, we see it all, but I saw it when my top five.
I know you were watching from LA. Thank you for that, by the way.

Speaker 1 I said the the Broncos have the most ugly wins of any team in the NFL. You look through some of their wins.
Jets, 13-11. They had a comeback win against the Giants.

Speaker 1 They beat the Texans, but Davis Mills, 18-15. Raiders, 10-7.
It's like, this is ugly.

Speaker 1 That is the team that has closed the gap between them and Kansas City, and no one will trust that team if it has to play Kansas City

Speaker 1 at home, on the road. No one will trust anything coming out of the AFC to beat.
What are you making faces about?

Speaker 1 I think their defense, obviously, if they get Pat Sertan back, it's going to take a little bit because he's got that strained peg.

Speaker 1 But I feel like defensively, they can hang around and make life difficult enough for Patrick Mahomes, where their inept offense can maybe squeak out like 16 points.

Speaker 1 Thursday night football is back because that game, this is from Scott Kazmar, an NFL writer. It's the first game in NFL history that neither team scores more than 10 points.

Speaker 1 Neither team has more than 10 first downs. Both teams have 11 plus penalties.
That's the first time that's happened.

Speaker 1 And the question I wanted to ask you guys that I don't think many people are asking today or in general is Pete Carroll is questioning why he bothered to do that, right?

Speaker 3 No, he's not. He knows why.

Speaker 1 You don't think that people like Pete Carroll and Deion Sanders are looking like, where's my exit ramp? Like, what am I doing with the remainder of my life?

Speaker 1 I guess you can lump in the goat in that conversation, too. And Jordan.
At least that team's improving.

Speaker 1 At least that team went to Syracuse and won a football game, and you can see the obvious improvement in North Carolina, even though Syracuse was playing. Was that their third-string quarterback?

Speaker 1 Is Syracuse playing with their third-string quarterback against Miami? Yeah, they got like a walk-on.

Speaker 1 The spread against Miami is 29.5. That being said, Miami's got a ton of injuries, and these injuries are worse than we're letting on.

Speaker 3 Wow. Way to get ahead of it.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. There's multiple name players that are

Speaker 1 going to see again.

Speaker 3 Noah Eagle is starting for Syracuse.

Speaker 1 Propaganda machine.

Speaker 1 Come on, man. Mike,

Speaker 1 the Syracuse team is really bad. Oh, yeah, Miami's got to destroy them.
It's not about Syracuse. It is how they respond to it.
But, you know, I don't think Miami goes 4-0 in the next month anyway.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, the universe ended millions of years ago. We're just living in its echo.
I imagine you guys spent some time

Speaker 1 talking about the loss to SMU and the state of the Miami program as a means

Speaker 1 golden state. Gold Georgia Tech yellow jacket.

Speaker 1 Have a coach. Rambling Reck, Dano.
Everybody wants. Brent Key is 47 years old, and he's being asked about every job in America.

Speaker 1 There are a lot of job openings, a lot of valuable and coveted job openings. And Brent Key's quote is, slice me open

Speaker 1 and see what colors I bleed.

Speaker 1 And I want to ask the group, because I really don't know. When I think of Georgia Tech colors, I think of yellow, gold, but what else we got in there? Is it yellow, gold? A little navy?

Speaker 1 So when you guys think, I know Amin knows the answer to this question, but when I say the colors of Georgia Tech, are you putting any dark colors in there?

Speaker 1 Because I just think of yellow and yellow gold. I don't put any dark in there.
When I think of the Golden State Golden Yellow Jackets, I also incorporate Navy.

Speaker 1 What colors do you bleed?

Speaker 3 Golden Navy, man.

Speaker 1 Okay, put it on the poll at Lebatard Show. Did you know that Georgia Tech's colors or the Golden State yellow jackets, colors

Speaker 1 were gold and navy? Because I don't think most people know that. It is back, Jack.

Speaker 3 Now, gold is the primary color, right? You see it all the time. Even though the name is yellow jackets, it's gold.
We wear gold. But then the second accent is always that navy blue.

Speaker 3 Think of Stefan Marber and Kenny Anderson. You know, they had those basketball teams.
They all had the side trimming with the navy piping on it.

Speaker 1 Can you explain the Rambling Wreck aspect?

Speaker 3 Yeah, Rambling Wreck from Georgia Tech. Hell of an engineer.
It's a song.

Speaker 1 What sense does it make that the jackets are yellow, but the colors aren't? Like, that you're the yellow jackets, but the colors aren't yellow. The color's gold,

Speaker 1 but you're the yellow jackets. What sense does that make?

Speaker 3 Well, a yellow jacket is an insect, but we're not insects. We're people.

Speaker 1 You don't find some of this a little bit confounding? Gold and yellow are a derivative, man. Put it on the poll at Lebatard Show.
Are gold and yellow derivatives? Gold is the best yellow.

Speaker 1 Go ahead and try and sell yellow on the open market. See if they sell you that you can use it for a derivative.

Speaker 3 Especially back then, right?

Speaker 3 You got to think a lot of these colors were picked at a time where it's like yellow belly oh no i can't be a yellow belly it's a gold belly so that makes a difference a gold oh that that feels very luxurious yellow belly you're a coward who is who is that is that a western person that's someone someone some of them in the 60s it's some 60s okay i thought that was some mining for gold is what i thought that was a gold miner they because they watch they watch like looney tunes and stuff and looney tunes stuff is based on the westerns and the westerns based on the cowboys whatever it's not actually in the moment.

Speaker 3 All we're doing is referencing references. You see how it goes? It Cascades.
It's like a kind of poetry.

Speaker 1 None of this changes the fact that they don't have any good wins.

Speaker 3 We got one coming.

Speaker 3 Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 At home.

Speaker 3 Bring that ugly ass dog with you.

Speaker 1 Well, you're not at home. You're doing that thing where you go to the Mercedes-Benz stadium.
And yeah,

Speaker 1 you should do the revenue thing.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's not even the revenue. You know what it is, man? It's like everyone in the state of Georgia, I'm going to say it.
it, and where's my camera? Right here. L.

Speaker 3 Duncan and the rest of you people, all you toothless hacks who couldn't fight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all of them. The rest of you people? All of them.

Speaker 3 Maria Taylor, you're on that list too. Toothless.
All of them.

Speaker 1 All of them. John Isner.

Speaker 3 John Isner. Oh, yeah.
I've seen you in the tennis chat trying to talk up.

Speaker 1 All of you.

Speaker 3 You guys couldn't pass CS 1501 if your life depended on it. The Widowmaker.
So it's a more inclusive university. Ernie Johnson, you on that list too? Oh, you hacks.

Speaker 3 Everyone who has a pulse in the state of Georgia can get into UGA. So that's why they're like, hey, that's our team.
Georgia Tech, standards. Standards.
Right?

Speaker 1 And so they're like, oh, you don't like us. I don't want to be a part of a club that won't have me.

Speaker 3 That's how they feel. So when we play in a neutral site in the state of Georgia, what ends up happening? All those hicks.

Speaker 3 come over there with their straw hats and their overalls and their bare feet and they go hey now.

Speaker 3 Hey bear.

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Speaker 3 I thought you went to Arizona State. I graduated from Arizona State.
You know why? The Widowmaker. Because Georgia Tech has standards.
Standards, I say. I salute them.
I respect standards.

Speaker 3 I'm like, you know what? Hey, I wasn't good enough. Not like these cowards that went up to Athens.
Like, oh, let me go to the school that won't say no. Underwater basket weaving was a course there.

Speaker 3 Remember Jim Herrick? Remember the classes they were teaching?

Speaker 1 I don't think that in 2025 you're allowed to come to a microphone and say that L Duncan and Maria Taylor have no teeth.

Speaker 3 And Ernie Johnson and John Isner, all of them.

Speaker 1 They know it.

Speaker 3 They went to UGA. Now they're all very successful, so I'm sure they went to the dentist and say, hey, you got to fix this situation.
I'll be on TV.

Speaker 3 But when they got to UGA, when they got to Athens, the first thing that happened, all their teeth fell out. And they said, howdy.

Speaker 1 Let me talk for a second about the job openings and the amazing career ascent and just general journey of Lane Kiffin, who's going to have his choice of these jobs when I know this is happening a lot all over the world and in America where people are really forgetful of just general history but even recent history.

Speaker 1 It's startling to me to see Lane Kiffin be in a position

Speaker 1 through

Speaker 1 choices he made taking jobs that didn't have with anything in the way way of expectations to get one of the prime jobs that's anywhere in college football.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go through some of the journey in a second, but as it relates to your coach, okay, because what we have seen with Signetti, with Rhett Lashley, who just improved his stock by beating Miami in one of those games where you're like, I know that team's not as talented as that other team.

Speaker 1 So the reason I'm going to say that team won is because of the coach. And you see a million things in that game that tell you, ah, well coached.

Speaker 1 Your coach at Georgia Tech is saying in the press conference, these are my colors. This is the school that I coach for.
There will be nowhere else that I coach. That's what he's saying.

Speaker 1 Slice me open and see what colors I bleed. Are you expecting to lose him, or do you think these words mean something? Because Nick Saban said the same things.

Speaker 1 Nick Saban said, he didn't say the same thing, but he said, I'm not going to be the Alabama coach. And then he was the Alabama coach soon thereafter.

Speaker 1 People expect these guys to lie in these situations.

Speaker 3 I think Brent Key's an alum. He's a Georgia Tech alum.
He actually went to Georgia Tech when I went to Georgia Tech around the same time. So

Speaker 3 I believe him. I fear, I told you this earlier the year, I fear he's too good.

Speaker 3 He's so good, at some point, the competitor, you look for a greater challenge, right? And greater resources and all that. But he says that out loud, I believe him.
I'll take his word for it.

Speaker 3 You know why? Because he's a rambling wreck from Georgia Tech and a hell of an engineer.

Speaker 1 Well, but hold on.

Speaker 1 Let me just backtrack for a second because you can be someone who has a great allegiance to your school, and you can also say, ah, that might be the best college quarterback he'll ever have.

Speaker 1 That school's not going to be that good ever again because they've never been that good.

Speaker 1 And it's going to be really difficult to continue to be that good because of where the academic standards are at that school. National champs in 1990.
Number one.

Speaker 3 Number two. I'd like to introduce you to a gentleman named Joe Hamilton.
Went down to Tallahassee and stared the monster in the eyes. Came down to one touchdown that they won by.

Speaker 3 But still, like, this is not the greatest Georgia Tech team, not by a long time.

Speaker 1 This is not a good job, and this is the best quarterback they've had.

Speaker 3 It's the best quarterback they've had since Joe Hamilton.

Speaker 1 Yeah, since 99. Joe Hamilton.
Joe Hamilton is way better. Heisman runner-up.

Speaker 3 Joe Hamilton was incredible. Joe Hamilton was.
Joe Hamilton. Shout out to Joe Hamilton.

Speaker 1 I do love Haynes King, though.

Speaker 1 He's one of the players that you identify and you're like, this is why this sport is so great. great.
That guy's not going to play quarterback at the next level, I don't think, but he's just gritty.

Speaker 1 The ESBN profile on Haynes King that came out last week

Speaker 1 about

Speaker 1 Coach Key asking him how his shoulder is. Shoulder's fine, piss and blood, but I'll be good to go.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's my guy, man. I love Haynes King.

Speaker 1 Was it Key who was quoted saying that's the toughest player I've ever met? Yeah. And there was like one emotional moment where Brent Key doesn't seem like this super emotional guy from what I know.

Speaker 1 Engineer.

Speaker 1 And he was asked, like, the biggest compliment I can give Haynes King is that when this is all said and done, I'd like to have a beer with him. Yeah, this is heck, maybe three.

Speaker 3 Outpouring of emotion, Dan. See that?

Speaker 3 You know how you complain about, oh, my father, I don't know. I don't know, did he love me or not? Like, he probably said something like that, and you just didn't pick up on it.

Speaker 3 When he says, I'd like to have a beer or three with you, man, he says, I look at you like my son. That's what Brent Keith just said about Haines King.
Three beers.

Speaker 1 Three beers or three. Three beers.
Come on. I don't like a means cubed assessment of my relationship with my father.

Speaker 1 Do you know how you complain, Dan, that you don't know whether your father loved you or not? That is not something that's ever come out of my mouth as a complaint.

Speaker 3 It's a keeping assessment.

Speaker 1 I don't know why it is you took the entirety of my father's love over the course of a lifetime and turned me into a person who was questioning whether or not my father loves me.

Speaker 3 I've chastised you many a time, Dan, about your incessant whining about the in oh, my dad doesn't know how to show emoji. I'm like, what are you talking about? He shows it every day.

Speaker 3 I see it every day. Well, you know why, Dan? Because you are a spoiled child.
A spoiled child of this country.

Speaker 3 You didn't come from the old country where you understood, man, if my dad want to have a beer with me, the greatest honor imaginable.

Speaker 3 Now, Brent Key is not from the old country, but he is from Georgia Tech.

Speaker 1 Golden State. Gold Georgia Tech yellow jacket.

Speaker 1 Billy?

Speaker 1 So to be clear, I just want to be clear. You are saying that Brent Key is not a Sudanese exile.

Speaker 1 That's what you're...

Speaker 1 Just to be clear.

Speaker 3 Or a Cuban exile. But you know what he is? He's a rambling wreck from Georgia Tech.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, has a lot of connected tissue, right?

Speaker 3 Like, you cannot be from the old country and still have a lot of old country ways if you have to go to CS 1501, the widowmaker.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And a hell of an engineer.

Speaker 3 Yes, absolutely. Hey, Bear.

Speaker 1 That is not a good job. Georgia Tech is not a good job.

Speaker 3 It's a tough job. It's a tough job because the academic rigors make it hard to recruit for.
Not a good job.

Speaker 1 Hold on.

Speaker 3 Will we call Stanford not a a good job yes okay never mind yeah

Speaker 1 anything that makes it really hard

Speaker 1 any job can be a good job in modern college football

Speaker 1 you can go grab any player and the acc is always wide open because there are no powerhouses in that conference jeremy look how they swoon over vanderbilt Why?

Speaker 3 Because Anderson Cooper is his family created it? Who cares? They do it because it's like, ooh, you have the SEC title. All of a sudden, that's a good job.
Get out of here. Get out of here.

Speaker 3 Georgia Tech is a tough job but you know what tough jobs get then we get tough players no I mean

Speaker 1 look I I can accept what Jeremy is saying in the macro that it's easier for random school to win today if it has money than it was in the past but if I'm going to cripple a program with one thing more than any other it's an inability to get players because your academic standards are too high it's what makes something a much harder job the Georgia Tech job is already plenty hard.

Speaker 1 Now I throw in academic standards that make it all the harder. Dan Lebatt, there's always a way around them.
Academic standards. They're in Georgia.

Speaker 1 And Georgia's high school football recruiting base is damn near tops in the nation. I think it surpassed Florida.
It's in a metropolitan area.

Speaker 1 While it does have its challenges, I would still consider it a good job.

Speaker 1 Now, if you look at it compared to all the jobs, let's say it becomes available because Coach Key leaves, it's probably down around like 9, 10, 11 in terms of what's available out there for some of these guys.

Speaker 1 I'm not actually saying it's not a good job and then wondering whether someone else would want it.

Speaker 1 I'm saying it's not a good job and that's why Brent Key will not be there no matter what he bleeds 10 years from now. He's not giving the entirety of his career.

Speaker 1 Look, I saw this the other day while I'm watching on television. I was stunned by this.
You know how long Rice's football coach has been there because he went to Rice?

Speaker 1 Rice is never any good. Rice's football coach should be changing every year.
He's been there 14 straight years. Get out of town.
Good for him. Get out of town.

Speaker 3 I got waitlisted at Rice.

Speaker 1 But it's also because they don't care about football at all, and therefore there are no football standards. And so that he could stay there for 14 straight years.
How does he have that job security?

Speaker 1 That's crazy. Good baseball school.
It is a good baseball school. You like that hell of a pull for you like Tony.

Speaker 1 He's right. I'm a hardball guy, though.

Speaker 3 I like baseball, Tony. This is a great evolution.

Speaker 1 I just got to gamble on it. I like

Speaker 1 waitlisted at rice and means. That's what I like.
Also good academic school, though.

Speaker 3 To this day, I'm still confused about that.

Speaker 1 I got accepted at Gonzaga. Since we're all bragging.
No, I didn't go because it was far. Too far.
I'd like to apply. I opted to go to Neese instead.
I got accepted at Gonzaga. Why did you apply?

Speaker 1 They were interested, and they were good at basketball at the time. That was around the time of Batista with the catch.

Speaker 3 It was like, wow. That's why I went to Georgia.
The Zaga Tegs. That's why I went to Georgia Tech, by the way.
It's like, they're good at basketball.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It was them and Campbell.

Speaker 1 Campbell was like on my ass I went to a Christian school no Campbell the Campbells I came in today and I was handed a piece of paper that had all of the week's polls when Amin was in charge okay it's all of the week's polls

Speaker 1 you know what I see the paper in front of you we did a bunch of great shows okay it's not indicative of the polls they were okay what I don't have a lot of evidence that you did a lot of great shows because I only have this sheet of paper as evidence.

Speaker 1 And this sheet of paper paper has three polls on it, and here's a third of the polls. Who's better, Jacoby Brissette or Kyler Murray? This is a question that Arizona asks itself.

Speaker 1 That was a great show.

Speaker 1 We were ahead of that. What was the answer there, Dan?

Speaker 3 I was way ahead of the conversation. And guess what?

Speaker 1 You were. Tony was.
Tony was way ahead of the conversation where he was saying, Kyler Murray, weeks ago, you got to move off. Guy stinks.
Guy sucks. Get him out of here.
Well, he's out of here.

Speaker 1 He would appear to be out of there. Jacoby Brissette as the answer is not the answer.

Speaker 3 Now, Dan, I'd like to, in my defense, there's a poll question that did not get posted. Juju made an editorial decision not to post it.

Speaker 3 But on Wednesday, as Greg Cody is going in for surgery and as the bear over here is going for 99 nuggets eaten, we had a poll question. Who's more likely to die today? Greg Cody or Chris Cody?

Speaker 3 Juju said, we can't post that one. So

Speaker 3 that should have been on the sheet.

Speaker 1 That's good judgment from Juju. What?

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Speaker 1 Speaking again of the Broncos Raiders game from last night, though I am loath to do it, it's not just Pete Carroll. Chip Kelly is making $6 million a year.
Chip Kelly is their offensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 offensive coordinator. They've scored 10 or fewer points four times this season, the Raiders, four times.

Speaker 1 And I'm asking you again, you really think Pete Carroll is sitting there in his office every day? And I know he's optimistic and I know he tries to be sunshine.

Speaker 1 You think he's happy with the decision that he made? Like, you think that the Raiders, the Raiders are, I think this is relatively quietly kept.

Speaker 1 The Raiders are kind of the Dolphins over the last 25 years.

Speaker 1 If not for the Dolphins, the Raiders would be the ringing, echoing streak of incompetence in that sport that never makes the playoffs, never wins a playoff game, is largely irrelevant.

Speaker 1 They've done nothing in how many years has it been since Rich Gannon and

Speaker 1 they made the Super Bowl in 02. So, unlike the Dolphins, they've made it to a, you know, well, did the Dolphins even win a post-Super Game?

Speaker 1 He said, if not for the Dolphins, the Raiders would be the thing that we were laughing at about 20 years without anything in the playoffs. Nothing.
I mean, the Bills have fixed all of that.

Speaker 1 The Lions have fixed all of that. In the middle of that, the Jets did some winning.
I think post-Rich Gannon, they made the playoffs with.

Speaker 1 Who is it? Connor Cook, the quarterback. Like they had an injury injury at quarterback.
Was it Connor Cook that started the player?

Speaker 1 Do you want to try and remember the last time the Raiders won a playoff game? They should have won that game in Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 That whistle, that whistle screwed them, and it sparked a Cinderella run for the Bengals in that postseason. But no, I don't remember the last time they won it.

Speaker 1 If I had to guess, it would have been the AFC championship game that got them into that Super Bowl in which John Gruden knew all the plays. Steps back.

Speaker 1 It brings me back to this Lane Kiffin conversation and how startled I am to see what was once a child prodigy who then got

Speaker 1 the job of his lifetime in his early 30s, okay?

Speaker 1 And he ends up flaming out with the Raiders at the start of what it is that I'm talking about in such a dramatic way that Al Davis, the old crypt keeper owner of the Dolphin, of the Raiders, the late crypt keeper owner of the Raiders, came out and did a press conference in which he excoriated Lane Kiffin, a memorable press conference where he kept going to the microfiche and saying Mortenson.

Speaker 1 And I always get it wrong because that's not microfiche. It's that protector.
It's that projector that's not microfiche. It's something else.
What's that? You should remember

Speaker 1 it was a hole. Overhead projector.

Speaker 1 Engineer over here.

Speaker 3 Tell you Lloyd?

Speaker 1 What is microfiche?

Speaker 3 Microfiche is the thing from like Austin Powers when they're looking through the

Speaker 3 microfiche is actually when, and God, Tony, it's funny to say this because it's from the lie, it's from libraries and it's where you would go and find old newspaper articles by like, yeah just you guys are doing a lot of this motion like getting your hands and like turning them over I don't know what that's about actively reading the definition of it and I still don't understand Let me tell you guys right what it was so back in the day you wanted every copy of every newspaper ever so you could go back and look up what was the the day that was morning news the day JFK got shot but of course you couldn't just stack papers and papers and they didn't have scanning technology like we do now where it's a website so what they did they would take an image and scan it into an image and then the image would be printed on this really really small small film so if I held it up you're like I can't see anything but then you put it in this machine and it would light up and magnify it and then you would like adjust and you could see the whole page and it was called microfiche amin thank you that is as wonderful and efficient as competent as I've ever seen you be you've rushed right into the breach and had just a perfect explanation they still don't understand they still don't get it they still don't understand so it was tiny that's why they called it microfiche anything done oh like ever let me tell you something about the dewey decimal system my friend dewey Oh, Dewey Dim.

Speaker 3 You have to find a book. You couldn't just say, oh, yeah, I'm going to find this book over here under B for, you know, Branson Johnson who wrote it.
Nope.

Speaker 3 The books were all organized by the thing called the Dewey Decimal System. You have to go to this drawer, add card.

Speaker 1 Card cataloging.

Speaker 3 You have to look it up, and the numbers meant something. It's like the first number meant what kind of category it was.
The second one, fiction, non-fiction, and the third one, whatever.

Speaker 3 And based on that, you knew what part of the library to go to to go find the book, only to find out somebody already checked it out.

Speaker 1 This was essential.

Speaker 1 This was essential education. When I was in middle school, they taught me how to card catalog and do this.
Like as if I would, when I,

Speaker 1 it was preparing me for my life as an adult in which I would have to go to the library because AI and computers and the internet wouldn't exist.

Speaker 3 Jeremy, even when the internet did exist, right? You'd be at home like, oh, I'll just look it up. Okay, sit down.

Speaker 1 First thing you got to say, Mom, Mom, don't get on the phone. I'm about to get on the internet.

Speaker 3 And then you'd hit a button and it said, welcome.

Speaker 1 And then you'd hear, hear,

Speaker 3 and you would wait and wait. And this thing would blink and blink.
And finally, I'm in. And then you found the thing you were looking for and say, okay, download that.

Speaker 3 And it would say, estimated time remaining, 13 hours. And you just had to get up and walk away and hope it downloaded in time before your dad came home and said, hey, let's order pizza.

Speaker 1 So I think microfiche was the internet before the internet with some library thrown in is how I'm going to describe how it is that was used. I always make this mistake, but again, Al Davis,

Speaker 1 the late owner of the Raiders,

Speaker 1 went in front of everybody after letting go of Lane Kiffin and just aired all of the Raiders' dirty laundry and placed it all at Kiffin's feet and said he was in cahoots with Mortenson.

Speaker 1 Yes, he just kept hitting, he kept saying again and again. Mortensen.
We've never seen an owner press conference like this. This is the start and what I thought was the end of Lane Giffin's career.

Speaker 1 Mortenson.

Speaker 1 And to see then he goes to Tennessee and they're burning mattresses on campus because of everything that happens there. And then he's because he decides to leave to USC.

Speaker 1 And then USC, Dan, they fire him on the tarmac. They don't let him get on the plane.
This is a guy that was a pariah. He had to go to the Nick Sabin School of Rebuilding One's Credibility.

Speaker 3 Pariah Carey.

Speaker 1 And he did that. He rebuilt himself.
He had to go to FAU, the lane train, in Boca Raton to show that, no, I could run a program.

Speaker 1 And then he gets a call up to old Miss.

Speaker 1 And now this person, who already has one of the most fascinating careers, and I think when it's all said and done, will probably have the most fascinating career in the profession, has his name pop up as the number one candidate during a golden age of jobs available.

Speaker 1 You got LSU. You got Florida.
You got Penn State. You'd be hard pressed to have one of those jobs open up over the course of five, 10 years.
And he's the top man wanted at all of them.

Speaker 1 It's a pretty insane thing, especially when he hasn't done big winning.

Speaker 1 For whatever reason, losses like what he had last year with Jackson Dart in Gainesville against the Gators that kept him out of the playoff. They don't stick to him.
Everyone likes this guy.

Speaker 1 He doesn't have the same kind of work ethic when it comes to talent acquisition, but he's really smart and people dig his vibe.

Speaker 1 To be fair, he was 31 when the Raiders hired him as coach, which is insane to think about. The longevity.
Yeah, because he was 31 when he started coaching. It's been 20 years.

Speaker 1 I'm interested in the longevity, but I'm also also interested in the forgetfulness of people because that's some very public learning that he was doing with failures that are hugely embarrassing.

Speaker 1 And I do think it matters what Mike Ryan just said on give me all the signature wins because the reason Lane Kiffen gets credit is because he's never expected to win.

Speaker 1 Like the game, he often wins in the SEC when the expectations for Lane Kiffen and old miss are, you're not supposed to win. You're not going to win.
How are you winning?

Speaker 1 And so it's been wonderful career management since he spent his entire 30s.

Speaker 1 You have to understand this is the most coveted person.

Speaker 1 in college coaching right now is a person who spent the entirety of his 30s at least in part because of that Al Davis sound

Speaker 1 that started this cascade of that's not a person you can trust you cannot Tennessee will tell you that's not a person you can trust. The Raiders will tell you that's not a person you can trust.

Speaker 1 Morton's true. USC will tell you that's not a person you can trust.
All three locations would probably hire Lane Kiffen right now if they had to.

Speaker 1 Look, what Tony said, him being 31, that's like me

Speaker 1 being hired as the Raiders' head coach next season. Wow.
And he's grown from it. That's crazy.
He's absolutely grown from it.

Speaker 1 Plenty of coaches have had failure and have turned themselves into great coaches.

Speaker 1 Bill Belichick, you know, didn't have it go great in Cleveland before he became reputed to be the greatest head coach of all time.

Speaker 1 He's just a fascinating guy because he doesn't do it like everybody else. He's shit talking David Stone on the sidelines.
He's got a vibe about him.

Speaker 1 And I do think that you need to have a really good type program and program and a lot of resources. But that doesn't often guarantee you.
Like, oh, Miss, again, had a ton of resources.

Speaker 1 Look at the roster. They were absolutely loaded last year.
But people, what worked against him when he was younger, now that he's older and more mature, he hasn't changed. We've changed.

Speaker 1 They've had a ton of resources for a long time. I forget the player's name.
He never panned out.

Speaker 1 But everybody was looking around when they got the number one recruit in the country about 10 years ago. Robert Mdichi? Yes, it's close.

Speaker 1 I was going to call him Kim Diche, but

Speaker 1 it's in that area.

Speaker 1 They got the number one recruit in the country at one point.

Speaker 1 They were ahead of this whole, yeah, we'll just buy the players.

Speaker 1 And everyone will be like, why'd that guy choose Ole Mist? That makes no sense whatsoever. They had A.J.
Brown and D.K. Metcalfe at the same time.

Speaker 3 Damn.

Speaker 1 When Mike says that Lane Kiffen might have the most fascinating coaching career of all time, what goes into

Speaker 1 that conversation? What other coaches are you guys nominating? All sports, all time for Jose Mourinho. What a fascinating path that person.

Speaker 3 Larry Brown, Next Town Brown.

Speaker 1 You mentioned Nick Sabin as well. I suspect that he will be in this discussion.
We've got some Nick Sabin birthday video that is awkward. How old is Nick Sabin turning here, Chris? What is the age?

Speaker 1 What is the context for some of this video that we're about to watch? You've been fundamentally useless for an hour.

Speaker 1 This bear costume has been something that's been a punishment to me and no one else here. I've looked.

Speaker 1 I'm creating art back here. I've looked a number of times for help for something, and and then I see you in the eating area, and I see the back of your costume isn't even bothered to be zipped up.

Speaker 1 It's hot in there, by the way, Dan. I went to Fitzgerald.
I was punishment of someone other than me. I am emanating from him.
There is a radiating heat coming out of this costume.

Speaker 1 I am Schwitzing, but I am really into this video with Nick Sabin. So, this is his family celebrating him.
There's a couple back here.

Speaker 1 I want to play it first and let you observe just it, and then we'll discuss it. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 Happy birthday

Speaker 1 Oh my god.

Speaker 1 I'm just noticing what happened there, which is a football family took no inventory of what was on on the television and what Nick wanted to be watching. That's Bill's Chiefs at 28-21.

Speaker 1 Like, it's not early in the game. Like, that's like, that's as if

Speaker 1 those people do not know the man who's in that lounge, in that lounge chair.

Speaker 3 Wait, is that, is that when Mahomes is making the drive after the dude missed the kick?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the offense that's on the field. No.
My favorite part of the video is when Miss Terry approaches with the cake, he's lounging, leaning back, and she hits him with a sit up.

Speaker 1 And he sits up. It was just like, that was just like a big observation there.
That guy's terrified.

Speaker 1 We learned that when Nick Saban was here, that Miss Terry ran that household, and Miss Terry would give up the details of, yeah, Nick was someone who liked to play the accordion.

Speaker 1 And there were all sorts of things that Miss Terry gave the audience because, yes, Miss Terry is in control of everything that's happening there, and there should be no shame in that. She's clearly,

Speaker 1 even though she's got the dictator champion in her house, she's clearly very responsible for all the success that's happening.

Speaker 1 Also, if if we can just put the still shop, still shot I see right now in preview,

Speaker 1 if you're covering your feet and legs with a blanket like this, you're not returning to coaching.

Speaker 1 That's just like a rule that I can make. That is a man that is happy on his lounge chair watching some football on Sunday.

Speaker 1 We can agree that's not a flattering angle of Nick Saban's hair, right? We have never seen his age more than from

Speaker 1 that angle.

Speaker 1 Thank you. You have been not helpful this segment.

Speaker 1 He's been great here. All right.
You know what? I'm out of here. You couldn't be more wrong.

Speaker 1 take the elevator down no oh no he's going down

Speaker 1 uh nick saban cannot be flattered by anything that's happening there not his wife summoning him in a way that makes him uh react the way his players do when he summons them not the timing of that game not the angle that shows the back of his head in a way that he never wants it seen by himself or others What are you smiling about, I mean?

Speaker 3 I just remember Shane Gillis calling him Alabama Jones.

Speaker 1 He looks kind of dead there, right? Like they just kind of like propped him up. Hey, relax.
No, God forbid. God forbid.
Respectfully, though. You know what?

Speaker 1 When you look at him there, it's like, oh my God, it's over. Tony's not wrong there.
That is not far from whatever angle his body would be at if he was being placed in a coffin. Until she says sit up.

Speaker 1 And then he springs into action.

Speaker 1 Last year's out of the grave. Like, you guys are the picture of health in that window on an NFL Sunday.

Speaker 1 Springs is a good verb because it was the springs on that chair that made him go forward. Microfiche.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it was very slow.

Speaker 1 She is dancing in front of him with the cake, and he wants all of this to be over because there are five minutes left in the Chiefs-Bills game.

Speaker 1 Kind of a modest setup for the greatest head coach of all time, right?

Speaker 1 What did you expect? Multiple televisions? Yeah. Yeah, that's just old guy television.
Odd chair placement across the room there, right in front of that TV.

Speaker 1 There's a chair like facing the opposite direction. Yeah, Yeah, I don't like this, Coach.

Speaker 1 Wait a minute.

Speaker 1 If any of us, if you were to tell any of us, and this part you guys are underestimating, hey guys, your football Saturday and Sunday, you could lay there like a vampire in a coffin all night.

Speaker 1 With a chair, with a chair that's been dented by your ass over the decades, laying in that coffin all night, we would all take that setup.

Speaker 1 We might want more televisions, but as old people, that's the setup that Nick Saban absolutely wants. If he he wanted a better setup, he'd have a better setup.

Speaker 1 I mean it when I say this. That's me at my happiest on a Sunday, melting into my couch, 20 milligrams, stuff in my face, left turns, football.
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Speaker 1 That's awful me for so long because of the baby now, where I'm like, man, I look at that and I'm like,

Speaker 1 it's reaching out to it.

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