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Speaker 12 Why did you walk in here today asking how much skin weighs?

Speaker 14 It's an interesting fact that I reveal on the Greg Cody Show podcast with Greg Cody.

Speaker 14 I have a three-facts jack that I do every week, and one of the things I only do things that surprise me that I didn't know that I think people would be interested in.

Speaker 14 And it's a matter of fact that the human skin weighs about 20 pounds. In other words, if you were skinned alive,

Speaker 14 the physicality of your shed skin would be the equivalent of two bowling balls. It's an incredible total.
I always think of skin as almost feather weight.

Speaker 15 Greg, you mean to tell me if Dan were skinned alive?

Speaker 14 It would be a little more than 20 pounds.

Speaker 4 Oh, God, okay. Wait a minute.

Speaker 14 I mean, nothing is exact. You know, a thin person might be 18, Dan might be 26.

Speaker 12 Do you think my skin weighs more than your skin?

Speaker 17 Isn't it the fat surrounding the skin? Like, the skin would all weigh the same, no? Yeah, but a fat person's skin and a skinny person's skin.

Speaker 15 Right, it just depends on how tall or short you are. How much skin you got.

Speaker 14 Well, you know, I've never cannibalized anyone. I'm not sure about the details, but what I'll tell you is, roughly speaking,

Speaker 14 people don't think the skin is the organ. The biggest organ on the human body is the skin.
And it weighs 20 pounds.

Speaker 16 I don't think that's accurate.

Speaker 12 It can't be. I don't think the biggest organ is skin.

Speaker 4 Yes, it is.

Speaker 4 Yes, it is accurate.

Speaker 14 Yes, it absolutely is. Biggest by weight.

Speaker 15 No, by surface area.

Speaker 4 Oh, of course.

Speaker 15 Certainly by surface area. Now, by weight, I would guess, my guess would be it'd have to be a percentage of your body weight.
I would say...

Speaker 15 I don't know. 20%, 15% of your body weight is skin.
Because obviously the bigger you are, the more skin you got.

Speaker 19 Yeah. Some of us have a bigger organ.

Speaker 12 I don't think of skin as an organ, and I thought the large intestine

Speaker 12 could unspool around the earth or something. I thought the large intestine was something that

Speaker 12 stretched much longer than people would imagine it stretches. It does.

Speaker 17 When I was growing up, one of the jokes kids would do is like, ooh, hey, Greg,

Speaker 17 your epidermis is showing.

Speaker 15 Oh, don't

Speaker 18 say that. It's just the term for your skin.
It just means your skin is showing, but it sounds naughty.

Speaker 17 It does. So when someone says that to me, I'm like, oh, no, you clutch yourself.

Speaker 12 Why were you thinking of this, Greg? Like, how did it come up if one were skinned alive, their skin would weigh 20 pounds on a scale?

Speaker 14 I researched with great diligence my Three Facts Jack segment.

Speaker 17 Guaranteed he's just scrolling down like 50 interesting facts.

Speaker 14 No, no,

Speaker 14 I researched, I looked them up.

Speaker 12 But how did it come up? Like, how did you arrive at if you were skinned alive and placed the skin on a scale, it would weigh 20 pounds? Put it on the poll, Juju, at Lebetard Show.

Speaker 12 Did you know your skin weighs roughly 20 pounds?

Speaker 14 Yeah, the origin of the Three Facts Jack, it's proprietary information. but let's just say that I, you know, it came from great diligence and research.

Speaker 15 It's the small intestine, by the way, that's the long one, not the larger intestine.

Speaker 4 It is, exactly.

Speaker 14 Okay, I was thinking that, but I didn't want to correct it.

Speaker 4 How gracious.

Speaker 12 How long is it? How long is the small intestine?

Speaker 15 Depends on what you're working with, Dan.

Speaker 12 Zaz is his substance.

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Speaker 12 Greg Cody is wearing his finest terry cloth shirt to celebrate a fun regular season Monday night in South Florida sports. Always fun when the heat beat the Knicks.

Speaker 12 I think the interesting story from that game is what is Khalil Ware going to become, right? Because

Speaker 12 freakishly athletic, it's still strange to me to see someone that size be able to move that way. It's still not a normal thing for me.

Speaker 12 I know it's normal throughout the league and it's human evolution, but still weird to see that three of the four all-stars didn't play for both teams, so it's not representative of anything except that you can't trust Carl Anthony Towns when he's the best player on the court because he needs to be better than he was at the beginning of the game.

Speaker 12 So we'll talk about Heat Nicks in a second. But first, the Panthers scored eight goals last night.
Now, I saw one game this season at Anaheim. Anaheim's pretty good this year.

Speaker 12 They're offensively very good.

Speaker 12 And when I was in Los Angeles, I was watching the game against Anaheim, and I legitimately got fooled by the amount of scoring Anaheim was doing in the third period because I thought, I asked my friend on two of the goals, is that a replay from the last goal?

Speaker 12 Like, did they just score again? And they just kept scoring.

Speaker 12 in the third period, a period that the Panthers owned the last two years and owned again last night.

Speaker 19 Wait, were you there and you thought you were watching a replay?

Speaker 12 No, I was watching on television. That would be funny.
I was not in Anaheim. I was in Los Angeles.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I was in Los Angeles watching on television

Speaker 12 because I wouldn't normally be watching the Anaheim Panthers game that late at night. I'm not a West Coast hockey guy after 11 p.m.

Speaker 19 I just think it'd be strange if you're at a game and then something tell you, like, am I watching a replay?

Speaker 12 That would be strange.

Speaker 12 Now, you watch all of the Panthers games. Do you also watch the West Coast games, though? You stay up until midnight and one o'clock in the morning when they're West Coast traveling?

Speaker 19 Excellent question, Dan. For the rest of my life, yes, I had always stayed up for the West Coast games.
I'm starting to feel my age now, though.

Speaker 9 Uh-oh.

Speaker 19 I'm having a very hard time staying. Like last week, the Heat and Panthers were both on the West Coast at the same time.

Speaker 19 I faded for all the games. I couldn't do it.
I'm getting a little bit old.

Speaker 12 That was a fun one last night. They score eight times.
They annihilated Vancouver, which took a 2-0 lead in the game.

Speaker 12 And all they need to do is just get the season to Barkoff and Kachuk

Speaker 12 in a place that's not in disrepair. They don't even need to be among the top eight teams.

Speaker 12 They just need to be where they've been my entire existence as a Panther fan before they started winning, which is five or six points out of the final playoff spot. So, Roy, your thoughts so far?

Speaker 12 Another thousand-point point guy for the Panthers. I can't believe what's happening with the Panthers.
None of this is still normal to me to see them have the historic players,

Speaker 12 to see them have the celebratory nights where they get to go and interview the family because someone else is arriving at a thousand points because their team is so deep.

Speaker 12 But both the local teams, the Heat and the Panthers, are really deep. The Heat are doing what they're presently doing, just staying above 500, waiting for their all-stars to get back with their bench.

Speaker 12 They're doing that with their depth, and the Panthers are doing the same thing. So, Roy, where are you on what the Panthers have done so far this season?

Speaker 12 Because they look pretty mediocre, but that's fine. You're fine with them looking mediocre.
They need to not be bad.

Speaker 9 Well, they look mediocre because there are about six players who are injured right now.

Speaker 4 That's what's insane.

Speaker 12 Including their two best ones.

Speaker 4 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 9 But Brad Marchand has registered a point in all but two games this season, so he's keeping them afloat.

Speaker 19 I mean, no Barkov, no Kachuk. They're missing a defenseman in Kulakov as well.
They're missing their fourth-line center, and Carter Vahege's been a ghost so far this season. Like,

Speaker 19 you can't wait for Barkov. Who knows if he's going to be available at someone? Although, there was video footage last week.
He was like working out at a public part.

Speaker 6 Got a brace.

Speaker 25 He had no brace on.

Speaker 16 Come on.

Speaker 19 That made me feel good, Greg.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but

Speaker 14 let's not

Speaker 14 be doctors here and claim a miracle. Barkov is out for the season.
I would be shocked if he came back early.

Speaker 12 I don't think that you can say that, given that this early he's able to have weight bearing on what was a bad injury. I don't think you can say he's out for the season.

Speaker 12 In fact, the talk around the team, Roy, you're around it more, but the talk around the team is they have the quiet expectation that he's going to get back before the playoffs, correct?

Speaker 4 Bobby.

Speaker 9 Absolutely. Like, he's rehapping without crutches.

Speaker 3 Barkov told Eric Spolstra five months. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's what he's aiming for right now.

Speaker 14 How long has it been? How many months?

Speaker 19 It's been a month and a half.

Speaker 14 Okay, so three and a half months would be what point in the season?

Speaker 4 March.

Speaker 14 Okay, so if you don't need him desperately, are you going to take that chance, bringing him back early?

Speaker 25 Well, desperately means what?

Speaker 19 Like, they need him to win a Stanley Cup, so yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, okay. All right.

Speaker 14 I have different expectations about that.

Speaker 12 Well, so you say don't be doctors, but you're willing to say that your prognosis is more accurate than Barkov's.

Speaker 14 My prognosis is based on what the doctors have said thus far. I haven't heard anybody connected with the Panthers go on the record saying Barkov will be back soon.

Speaker 12 Oh, but they won't do that. There's no circumstance under which they would do something like that.

Speaker 19 They would rather underpromise over deliver.

Speaker 4 Right spots. Okay.

Speaker 14 All right. I mean, you guys may prove right.
I'm just saying if I were a Panther fan, I would not expect Barkov to be shut soon.

Speaker 12 So you don't,

Speaker 12 I understand that you don't want us to be doctors, but when a month and a half into rehab, you're seeing somebody who on a bad injury is releasing video showing that he's in a park and he's putting weight on the leg.

Speaker 12 He's not limping. He's not walking around gingerly.
He's running through a workout. I understand it's not, you know, it's not being on ice and it's certainly not playing in an NHL game.

Speaker 12 But if he's got three and a half months and is already weight bearing on the injury, I mean, I'm willing to make a prognosis that hockey players being totally insane that there's no circumstance under which the captain and best player and best two-way player in the sport isn't going to try to get back as fast as he can so he's not starting with playoff action greg like you do not want to you don't know you don't want your first games to be the playoff intensity so i'm guessing that the goal is to get the goal is to get back and to test his body in a way that if he doesn't have a setback, he will.

Speaker 12 What are you smiling about, I mean?

Speaker 15 I'm just saying, like, isn't the...

Speaker 19 You better get on board, Amin.

Speaker 15 You know, sometimes

Speaker 15 you want to pull back a little bit as to not arouse suspicions. Guy, a month and a half after surgery, is out here running.

Speaker 4 Doesn't sound odd to you guys?

Speaker 15 You're like, oh, this is great. This is amazing.
He's a hockey player stuff. I'm like, really?

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's a miracle.

Speaker 16 A miracle, all right.

Speaker 25 A miracle of modern science.

Speaker 15 Wink, wink, if you catch my drift.

Speaker 4 I do catch my drift.

Speaker 12 I don't know why your drift is

Speaker 12 here, or I don't think it's worthy of being caught.

Speaker 14 No, the drift is needed.

Speaker 19 Craig Don't catch your drift at all.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 14 it's a valuable drift.

Speaker 12 What are you accusing Barkoff of?

Speaker 4 I'm not accusing him.

Speaker 12 Hold on a second. Hold on a second.
Don't tell me you're not accusing him of anything. Hold on.

Speaker 26 Time to throw away all journalistic credibility and get reckless.

Speaker 26 Here is something we like to call reckless speculation.

Speaker 27 You're good.

Speaker 15 All I'm saying is you guys seem to be excitedly marveling at this miraculous, way ahead of schedule recovery and not like asking any other follow-up questions.

Speaker 15 Oh, what's different about your recovery regimen that's made you so incredibly like what steroids?

Speaker 4 Who cares?

Speaker 4 Greg,

Speaker 12 why are you pointing at a mean as if you're a journalist and you're pointing at a mean in agreement as if you want to give him a hello?

Speaker 14 Amin makes a valuable point.

Speaker 20 Thank you.

Speaker 4 Which is. What's the valuable point?

Speaker 14 The valuable point is if a month and a half ago they're saying Barkoff, they're not saying might be out for the season. They are saying Barkov is out for the season.

Speaker 4 No, they never said that. They did.

Speaker 18 I believe they did.

Speaker 6 They never said definitely out for the season. Yeah, they never said that.

Speaker 12 This is a good way to argue.

Speaker 23 They didn't say that.

Speaker 12 I believe they did. That's like arguing with my father, where I'll go to the internet and I'll show him something and he'll just look at it and go.
I don't know about that.

Speaker 16 Yeah. Could be AI.

Speaker 12 I can't win the argument that way.

Speaker 14 The internet lies.

Speaker 12 You're saying you believe something that no one else here believes or has heard. People who are watching and following the team every day, including West Coast games, even though they're getting old.

Speaker 12 Yeah, get tired.

Speaker 14 Listen, can I say one thing? I don't want to be the naysayer here. I hope he comes back soon.
Barkov's my favorite player. March.
March, you think? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Okay. Are you allowed to have a favorite player?

Speaker 14 I can have a player I enjoy watching. He never gets enough credit.
He's the most underrated superstar in the league.

Speaker 4 I feel like the last couple years.

Speaker 16 I think he gets the credit.

Speaker 3 Finally gets the enough credit.

Speaker 6 I think finally he does.

Speaker 19 But if I could add here, Greg, you may think that they announced that he's going to to be out for the year. I don't believe that's true.

Speaker 15 If they actually,

Speaker 19 like, if they were certain he was going to be out for the year, they would have made the arrangements where

Speaker 19 they could replace his salary in the salary cap. And because they did not do that, they can only replace 30% of his salary.
So that would tell you they're holding out hope he's going to be back.

Speaker 19 Otherwise, they would have made the arrangements to get full salary cap release.

Speaker 14 All I'm saying is, let's not oversell and put too much stock in a video of him not wearing a knee brace at Holiday Park. It doesn't really mean much to me.
Now, you guys are reading a lot into it.

Speaker 12 What about him telling Spolstra that he was going to be back in five months? What about that?

Speaker 14 Why would he be telling the basketball coach that he's going to be back in five months?

Speaker 20 Well, he did.

Speaker 12 I don't know his internal motivations. What is my dad doing right now?

Speaker 4 But I'll tell you what he's doing.

Speaker 15 He's asking questions while the rest of you guys are just eating at the trough.

Speaker 22 Yes, thanks.

Speaker 15 Wait, you're telling me.

Speaker 15 Let me point out something that Zaz just did.

Speaker 15 Zaz said, hey, if he was going to be out for the year, they would have applied for the salary cap relief, right? So you're telling me he gets injured in September, tears his ACL and his MCL.

Speaker 4 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 15 At that moment, the Panthers are like, I think he'll be back soon. They haven't seen any rehab.
The injury just happened. It's the beginning of the year.
And they said, you know what?

Speaker 4 Let's hold out hope.

Speaker 15 What do they know that we didn't know in September?

Speaker 15 Something about a recovery that could be, oh, I don't know, know, quick enough to be back in the year.

Speaker 25 Good. I hope you're right.

Speaker 19 I hope what you're insinuating is right.

Speaker 6 Here's not a bad thing.

Speaker 17 I feel like my dad doesn't know what he's agreeing with when he agrees with me.

Speaker 4 No, he knows.

Speaker 4 He knows. How dare you? Good.

Speaker 14 Here's another question. What is Tyler Hero telling Paul Maurice about when he'll be back? Yeah, because if we're talking to other coaches, not even in our sports, I'm curious what's happening.

Speaker 19 Okay, but Barkov is a huge heat fan. Matter of fact, he was at the game the other day, and he went and visited Heat Training Camp right after having the surgery.

Speaker 25 He loves the heat.

Speaker 12 This is an amazing thing, though, to watch from a longtime journalist, okay? You, who have no information talking to Barkoff, questions Eric Spolstra, who has information from talking to Barkoff.

Speaker 12 You think you're right, and then question both Barkoff and Spo, even though you have no information.

Speaker 12 We have video, we have Spo, we have Spo quoting Barkoff, and we have you saying, I have no information, but I think everything I'm seeing and hearing is inaccurate.

Speaker 14 Look, I appreciate that Dr. Spolstra has advocated that

Speaker 14 Barkov will be back sooner than others think. I hope he's right.
I hope Barkoff plays tomorrow night. I don't even know if they're scheduled for tomorrow night.
He's questionable.

Speaker 14 I hope he comes back as soon as possible, if not sooner.

Speaker 14 But let's just, you know, pump the old brakes and not worry about that. Let's worry about Kachuk coming back if he has time between his podcast and attending games.
Yeah, for real.

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Speaker 22 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 14 I heard that as a woman faking pain. I didn't think that sounded real.

Speaker 4 I really really didn't.

Speaker 14 You know?

Speaker 12 It was not fake. It was in no way fake.

Speaker 4 You can spot a woman faking it.

Speaker 1 Stugats.

Speaker 29 Yes, I can, Jess.

Speaker 14 Expert. I've been married 40 years.

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Speaker 15 You know why? You know why, Greg? He's got time to do all that? Modern science.

Speaker 29 It's Tuesday.

Speaker 12 Do you have a back in my day?

Speaker 12 No.

Speaker 4 No, I don't.

Speaker 14 I got one. This is my Ed McMahon imitation, by the way.

Speaker 15 That makes you Johnny, Dan.

Speaker 12 Did you retire back in my day and not tell anybody? Because it's been an extraordinarily long time.

Speaker 4 It's been a minute, as the kids say. It's been a lot of minutes.

Speaker 12 It's been many, many minutes.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I got one in the queue. I just haven't gotten around to writing it yet.

Speaker 15 Dan, here's an express back in my day. Back in my day, we didn't get medical advice from NBA coaches.
There you go.

Speaker 14 I like that one.

Speaker 14 I tell you, Amina's on fire right now.

Speaker 23 Thank you. And Fuego, let's go.

Speaker 12 So,

Speaker 12 Yudonis Haslam told Khalil Ware to rebound better, and since then, Khalil Ware has rebounded better.

Speaker 12 Yoanis Haslam is also going back and forth with Ben Stiller, trying to keep the Embers alive from a long-ago rivalry where

Speaker 12 after the Knicks Knicks beat the Heat the other night in New York, Ben Stiller said it will happen again.

Speaker 17 Udonis told Khalil that immediately after the game, I texted Khalil Ware and said, get in the film, Mitchell Robinson, watch every offensive rebound he got on you and fix it.

Speaker 17 And Ben Stiller chimed in, oh, it'll happen again.

Speaker 6 What happened last time?

Speaker 19 Balls on that Ben Stiller.

Speaker 12 Watch your mouth.

Speaker 12 They do love Mitchell Robinson in New York. Mitchell Robinson, not as much as they loved Isaiah Hartenstein, but they do love Mitchell Robinson.
They think he's key, and he is key against Cleveland.

Speaker 12 I don't know how and why, but he presents matchup problems for Cleveland that are totally confusing to me.

Speaker 2 That's because he's someone who, going into last night, was averaging six offensive rebounds per game in 16 minutes per game. He's a freak as an offensive rebounder.

Speaker 19 So then UD wasn't going to let that stand. I mean, you think he's going to let Ben Stiller talk that kind of way, just say things all willy-nilly.

Speaker 19 So then UD responded to Ben Stiller, big fan, but this clearly ain't Yolane.

Speaker 12 Yeah, and he did that while putting up a photo. And it's the best photo to put up of Ben Stiller that's not with him with sperm in his hair and something about Mary.

Speaker 12 It's him.

Speaker 12 It's him and the side of it.

Speaker 17 Cameron Diaz with the stuff in her hair in that movie.

Speaker 4 It was on his ear. What version did Dan was doing?

Speaker 15 It was on his ear.

Speaker 4 And then she was picturing the hair up.

Speaker 7 My bad. Yes.

Speaker 12 Good correction.

Speaker 29 You know about that, Juice?

Speaker 4 Jesus. Oh, you got it.
Hold on a second. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Hold on. What the hell?

Speaker 3 We're going to make a pen only on Jeremy five minutes for being Jeremy.

Speaker 15 He's got a special one of his own, huh?

Speaker 12 It was a bad mistake by me. My bad.
It is Cameron Diaz.

Speaker 15 Dan, you know what my favorite thing is? UD had this very stern conversation with Kellow Ware, so you don't let him do that to you again. And so Mitchell Robinson only grabbed

Speaker 15 five offensive rebounds in 18 minutes last night.

Speaker 4 That'll show them. But how many on where?

Speaker 6 Kellower owned him.

Speaker 19 Kellower was the best player on the floor last night.

Speaker 28 He was awesome.

Speaker 15 He was awesome. I'm just saying Mitchell Robinson still grabbed the shit ton of offensive rebounds.

Speaker 17 How many takes do you think Ben Stiller did with the famous head on chest, sweaty chest?

Speaker 19 Like, there's no way that that could be doctored.

Speaker 1 You had to actually do that, right?

Speaker 15 You guys are giving credit to Ben Stiller. How about my guy?

Speaker 15 Pour out a little liquor, man, for one of the greatest actors of all time, Patrick Seymour Hoffman.

Speaker 4 Like, legitimate. Philip Phillip.

Speaker 15 Philip Seymour. His brother Patrick, though, he was a good actor too.

Speaker 4 A lot of people don't talk about him.

Speaker 15 But Philip Seymour Hoffman, one of the great actors, like legit, I'm not trying to be funny here, like a thespian, right?

Speaker 19 He tore to force performance.

Speaker 4 Absolutely.

Speaker 15 Dude, he starred in this stupid ass movie and killed it.

Speaker 12 It was a great movie, but if you were taking, so that's along came Paulie. I mean, Ben Stiller's resume on funny movies, he directed Tropic Thunder.
I think that was the first time he ever directed.

Speaker 12 But that resume on funny movies

Speaker 4 is

Speaker 12 an all-timer. I mean, but if you had the scene that you were putting up to make fun of Ben Stiller, okay,

Speaker 12 the one that Yodanish chose would be my third choice. Really?

Speaker 12 Yes, I think that would be my third choice. Now, that's basketball-related, but I think I'd go with two others.

Speaker 12 I would go Hanging from the Air, and I would go Getting Your Junk Caught in the Zipper as well.

Speaker 16 Oh, and he had the brains coming out of the zipper.

Speaker 15 Irrelevant, though. This is basketball relevant.
That's why he went with it. Come on, Dan.
You got to get your internet troll game.

Speaker 12 I'm just talking about scenes, favorite scenes from Ben Stiller if I'm trying to simply mock Ben Stiller. If I'm going, because Ben Stiller, in terms of famous Knicks fans,

Speaker 12 the loudest among them is Spike Lee, but I think of Ben Stiller as second.

Speaker 12 I think second place in terms of famous Knicks fans is Ben Stiller. Do you have a nominee better than Ben Stiller?

Speaker 15 I would say Ben Stiller is internet loud, specifically on Twitter. He tweets a lot.

Speaker 25 Well, and especially over the last couple years.

Speaker 6 He's a little bit of a frontrunner, Ben Stiller.

Speaker 19 I didn't hear from him 10 years ago.

Speaker 19 I would have Tracy Morgan behind Spike Lee.

Speaker 15 No love for Chalamet. Shalamay was out there.

Speaker 25 No, he's a little bit of a sonny from lately, too.

Speaker 15 He's like 12 years old.

Speaker 19 Tracy Morgan cares so much about the Knicks that he was willing to be sick and puke on the court during a game last year. I mean,

Speaker 12 sick.

Speaker 4 Willing to?

Speaker 4 He was willing to do that.

Speaker 19 Yeah, but he's like, I don't feel good, but I don't want to miss the game.

Speaker 15 I think he was already at the game, and then he started to not feel good. Perhaps for some of the libations that are happening behind the scenes.

Speaker 19 He tried to gut it out, though.

Speaker 4 Wait a minute.

Speaker 4 Hold on a minute.

Speaker 12 What do you mean, libations behind the scenes? We don't know that it's libations.

Speaker 26 Time to throw away all journalistic credibility and get reckless. Here is something we like to call reckless speculation.

Speaker 15 You're good. He was drunk.

Speaker 14 Fair.

Speaker 12 Amin, give me your expert analysis on what Khalil Ware is going to become because this is not his ceiling. Last night at the end of the game,

Speaker 12 Carl Anthony Towns was having trouble getting his shot off. At the end of the game, he doesn't have trouble usually getting his shot off.
Now, I do think

Speaker 12 the Heat's Achilles heel on offense is going to be what you saw happen at the end of that game where they're up 10 and then the last three minutes of the game they score three points.

Speaker 19 You don't think Hero's going to help there?

Speaker 12 He will help, but I think they're going to have a problem with late game scoring because when Hero was in the game and healthy, they had problems with late game scoring because late games are different in the NBA than the rest of the game.

Speaker 12 Last night, three and a half minutes left in the game. They were up by 10 or 12.
They scored three points the rest of the way.

Speaker 12 But Khalil Ware made it problematic for Carl Anthony Towns, a really uncommon seven-footer, right? Wins the three-point contest.

Speaker 12 He gets his shot off, and he just missed the shot at the end, a little further from the basket than he wants to be. But Ware also blocked his shot when he was closer.
So I ask for your expertise here.

Speaker 12 What is the growth of this going to be? Because the Heat have been pushing him pretty hard privately and publicly on grow the hell up.

Speaker 12 Like, we don't have time for childishness or immaturity or work ethics.

Speaker 4 That's amazing and sweet. He's sloppy.

Speaker 15 He's a very second year.

Speaker 12 Well, he's very young.

Speaker 12 He is a player that is not yet at the top of what his growth will be.

Speaker 6 So I ask you, what's he going to be?

Speaker 15 Well, Zaz, as Zaz asked that question, my thought is I think there's a little bit of the ghost of Hassan past that makes the Miami say, we're not doing this again.

Speaker 15 We're going to be on your ass from day one.

Speaker 6 So that's simply because he's tall?

Speaker 15 Well, no, there's a level of kind of space cadet of not always locked in.

Speaker 15 Like the idea, first of all, the idea that he closed the game last last night, six months ago, that would have been unthinkable.

Speaker 19 Played over 30 minutes last night. Like that usually doesn't happen.

Speaker 15 The number of minutes is cool, but the idea that Spose said, this is a one-possession game. I'm going to have him on the floor.

Speaker 22 And made the play.

Speaker 15 And then obviously he backs it up and makes a play is incredible. But just simply the trust that he can be out there and will not have a mental lapse and will not mess up.

Speaker 15 Now, here's the hard part for a young kid like that. Last night was probably the best game of his career.

Speaker 15 Okay, now tomorrow you got to go do it it again and do it again and do it again and do it again. And that ultimately, Dan, when you ask me how good he can be, it starts with, can he be consistent?

Speaker 28 I'm going to have to be that great.

Speaker 12 Oh, but I mean, though, but athletically, there's no reason for him to not be among the most athletic people on the court

Speaker 12 every single time he's on the court.

Speaker 15 He has, oh man, I'm going to say this, and it's going to sound scary.

Speaker 15 And when Brace yourselves, he has all the physical tools.

Speaker 21 That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 15 To be a Wembinyama stopper.

Speaker 4 Whoa. That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 12 What?

Speaker 4 The physical tools.

Speaker 23 What? The physical tools.

Speaker 12 Okay, you say this. Someone who doesn't have the physical tools to be a Wembanyama stopper is one of the greatest, most versatile defenders we've ever seen, Draymond Green.

Speaker 12 I want to show you guys a ridiculous video of Draymond Green, who is, you know, between 6'7 and 6'9. He is undersized.

Speaker 15 He's between 6'6 and 6'7.

Speaker 15 6'9. He is.

Speaker 15 You know what he'd tell you?

Speaker 15 If you made me 6'9, I'll be MVP of the league. That's what he'd say.

Speaker 12 Okay, so he is undersized, but I've never seen him look like a toddler when trying to guard someone in the low post.

Speaker 12 You can make the argument that this is the most versatile defender and one of the best defenders we've ever seen. I want you to look at this video of him trying to keep Wembunyama out.

Speaker 12 And I'm not kidding you when I say

Speaker 12 in this, he looks like a toddler. Draymond Green, one of the great defenders in NBA history, looks like a toddler against Wembanyama and then Wembanyama just dunks on him because Draymond Green.

Speaker 12 Draymond Green, he's not staring him down, he's staring at a spot under Wembanyama's nipples because Wembanyama is, there is no such thing as physical tools that can stop Wembanyama.

Speaker 15 Well, not when you're 6'7, right? Like that, that could be problematic. And Draymond, what he's done there is literally the extent of the human capability given the physical tools given.

Speaker 15 He's being physical, he's pushing, he's also talking.

Speaker 15 I don't know if we have that sound of him saying the shit talk that was happening between him and Wemonyama during the game, but it's like he's doing all of these things to try and take away, but you can't take it all away.

Speaker 15 So the spin lob is there because he doesn't want him to get the clean catch right there because if he turns and fires, Draymond has no chance.

Speaker 15 This is a part, if I could take Draymond's brain and put it into Kill Elware's body,

Speaker 15 now we're talking.

Speaker 12 Let's look at this again so you guys can see it's a low-off first draymond goes in gets underneath them and is like i got position on him yeah that does not last very long uh yeah they tried to guard uh the carl anthony towns this way uh last night because you take smaller guys and you just throw him at uh the waist of the taller guy but the the size difference they're the same height when wemby's when he's got his hands on his knees

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Speaker 14 This guy comes in as the next Wayne Gretzky. His nicknames include The Chosen One and McJesus, okay? He's a great player.
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Speaker 12 This is like Wembunyama. It looks like him playing against sixth graders because Wembunyama is a foot.

Speaker 4 He's a he's a foot taller than

Speaker 12 one of the great defenders ever. But when you say he's got to put it together night after night, you are right, of course.

Speaker 12 I mean, but there's nothing keeping him from putting it together night after night except him. Like what, when you talk about physical tools, I'm asking you, what's the ceiling on this person?

Speaker 12 Give me a comp for what the ceiling is on a person this young who is going to continue to grow because this is not this is not his prime. It is not.

Speaker 12 He is going to get better as a basketball player, and he's already somebody. I don't want him taking too many corner threes, but he can take corner threes.

Speaker 2 What's the ceiling? Wemby.

Speaker 4 Okay, we're not going to do that. Oh, come on.
Come on, hold on. Come on, man.

Speaker 12 What kind of discussion is that? I say, come on, you say, come on. You say something ridiculous.
I say, come on, and then you say, come on.

Speaker 4 Now I'm doing it for a long time. Come on, come on, me.
Come on.

Speaker 15 The ceiling, Dan, I don't know because I'm trying to figure out

Speaker 12 who is a comp and i think rudy gobert but like he can shoot way better than rudy gobert ever could in his career so that shooting and runs the floor better rudy rudy's a pretty good athlete too rudy i'm not i'm i'm i'm not questioning rudy gobert's athleticism the way wear runs the floor on the fast break is to me and still an unusual thing at his size where he is he is running the floor with the same speed everyone else is running the floor the way wear dribbled up the floor in the front court and then dunked it past two guys like Rudy Gobert can't even dream of it.

Speaker 15 So then I think about JaVail McGee.

Speaker 15 Is he like a better JaVale McGee? Because Javel McGee was very skilled, but again, was plagued by a lot of the things that we talked about as far as can you be locked in every single night?

Speaker 19 Why can't he just be this guy that we saw last night?

Speaker 25 That guy's really good. Why can't he be that?

Speaker 15 Because

Speaker 15 it takes a level of mental preparation and concentration to stay locked in. It's also, you know, how this game goes.
Things are changing all the time.

Speaker 15 You can't be like, okay, I got it now, because you know what those guys are doing. They're watching film too, and they're going to start adapting.

Speaker 15 So it involves like a diligent, again, intellectual approach. It's not just, let me get in the weight room and I'm good.
It's like, yo, you've got to learn this game.

Speaker 15 And does he have the appetite to continue to learn it?

Speaker 14 But I think that was where last night, I think that was where his fourth straight double-double. Isn't that a sign of consistency, a hint of it? At least an encouraging sign.

Speaker 15 Yes, Greg, but then again, I invoke the name of the spirit, Hassan Whiteside.

Speaker 12 Yeah, but that's not right because Whiteside was like 27 or 29 when the heat got him. This is rookie development at 20 years old.

Speaker 12 And when you say JaVail McGee, now I know JaVail McGee is a majestic athletic talent.

Speaker 12 But when I think of JaVail McGee, I just think of an assortment of ridiculous plays that are going to be put on the screen now because I asked video to get me a montage of just JaVail McGee being ridiculous because

Speaker 12 he is still mad at Shaquille O'Neal for the way that Shaquille O'Neal would make fun of him because he was more athletic than anyone else on the court, but he would just do an assortment of nonsense that was irresponsible.

Speaker 12 I associate JaVail McGee largely with wasted talent.

Speaker 15 That's my favorite one.

Speaker 15 Out of the entire montage of all the things we'll ever show, my favorite one is him messing up, running back off court, even though they have the ball, and the way John Wall turns back and looks at him and has this kind of, oh, Jesus Christ, this look about him.

Speaker 15 Dan,

Speaker 15 JaVille McGee is a, first of all, he's a two-time champ.

Speaker 4 His highlights are a three-time champ.

Speaker 1 Three times?

Speaker 16 Twice.

Speaker 6 17, 18, and 20.

Speaker 15 Twice with the Warriors and once with the Lakers. So three-time NBA champ.
So put some respect on his name. But also, Dan, that's an example of like when it's not harnessed, right? You're right.

Speaker 15 Hassan Whiteside was further along as a reclamation project, but I think he was productive in a way where the heat were like, well,

Speaker 15 we're getting what we need out of him. And then ultimately down the line, they realize they created a monster by not being stricter.

Speaker 12 I went to you for genuine expertise and enthusiasm. I'm not saying you didn't give us expertise, but you did not give us enthusiasm.

Speaker 12 When you compare his ceiling to JaVail McGee, you have insulted ceilings.

Speaker 16 Again,

Speaker 4 ceilings like, come on.

Speaker 15 I I think if I ask Killell Ware, would you like to be a three-time champion and be like a pivotal part of that? That's a pretty good ceiling.

Speaker 12 A pivotal part of that was 12 minutes a game. Come on.
He was not a pivotal part of that championship.

Speaker 15 Lob threat, man. You needed a lob threat in that Warriors offense.

Speaker 12 I'm not disputing that he gave them contributions, that he was a contributor to those championships.

Speaker 12 I am disputing that he was a pivotal thing that would have resulted in championships not being won if he hadn't been the one at the rim.

Speaker 15 I I gave you Rudy Golbert with a jump shot. You didn't like that one either.

Speaker 14 You do it.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Where's he listening?

Speaker 12 Well, the reason that I'm hesitant to do it is because I don't believe that what it is that I have watched over the history of time in basketball allows me to accurately assess people this size when Carl Anthony Towns is a human being that I've never seen play basketball before.

Speaker 12 Someone who shoots that well at that side, but at that size, but isn't in the post what I would like him to be. So the reason I'm going to a mean is because his library of

Speaker 12 remembering how it is that people develop from when they're 20 is better than my library on how

Speaker 12 they develop. And so Rudy Gobert as a comp doesn't work for me just because he's a better offensive player than Rudy Gobert.

Speaker 12 And I doubt very much that he'll ever be the defensive player that Rudy Gobert is. And I don't mean that as a slight in any way on Ware either.
I'm looking for somebody because

Speaker 12 Ware frustrates me with his lack of touch around the basket. He frustrates me with his

Speaker 12 low post game, but I don't think it's going to stay that way. Like, I believe that with a great many reps, he's not going to be that kind of awkward.

Speaker 12 And I don't know how to do the assessment because of how young he is. What happens when he's in this particular cauldron? Like, I've seen this team do something with Ike Austin, like,

Speaker 12 in terms of being able to.

Speaker 15 Ike Austin driving around right now, hey, they talking about me on Levittar show.

Speaker 4 Wait a second.

Speaker 4 Damn, man. I thought we were cool, damn.

Speaker 12 I don't mean that as an insult to Ike Austin. Like, Ike Austin wasn't very much weight.

Speaker 6 Even Ike Austin's like, yeah, they did a lot with me.

Speaker 12 When he got here, he wasn't any kind of special. He was overweight.

Speaker 19 He was out of the league.

Speaker 12 He was an underachieving, overweight big man.

Speaker 15 And he came here and he became a rotation NBA player.

Speaker 15 It's a story that I tell every time when we talk about the heat, it's like they have decades of proof that we get guys, we get diamonds in the rough, we polish them up.

Speaker 15 Why would you ever pay retail for your diamonds then? You do this all the time for Sean Leonard,

Speaker 15 Ike Austin, Eric Murdoch, like all these names. John Crotty, like these guys were just around.

Speaker 14 Leonard. Yeah.
Mashburn.

Speaker 15 Jamal Mashburn, Clarence Weatherspoon.

Speaker 2 This season is a really interesting case study for the Heat, and so is this player individually, because everything that we're talking talking about with the heat getting guys to overachieve it's either guys who had attitude problems right in their previous stops whether that was hardaway whether that was morning whether that was jimmy butler getting them to overachieve then looking at at the undrafted players that they've done this with taking or taking guys that you know hadn't reached their ceiling now you have whether it's khalel ware even davion mitchell who was a lottery pick who has yet to find his footing you're taking guys with higher ceilings, talented players, and seeing if you can unlock the best of them.

Speaker 2 For that matter, 10 years into his career, Andrew Wiggins is having a career season. So it's interesting to see the way that they'll be able to do it.

Speaker 2 And Kalal Ware is the perfect case study of that heat cauldron that you speak of.

Speaker 15 Let me correct your young ass.

Speaker 15 Tim Hardaway wasn't an attitude issue. It was we thought his knees were done.
Like it was he was bone on bone.

Speaker 19 And Golden Sate also benched him for Spreewell. That's right.

Speaker 15 Because his knees were bone on bone. Like it was a physical thing.
People thought his career was over. And then Alonzo Morning,

Speaker 15 let me tell you something. You think that was an attitude problem? That was an attitude problem that 29 teams would have wanted, or I guess it was 27 back then, but 27 teams were lining up for.

Speaker 15 Alonzo Morning was not at all looked at as a toxic thing. Okay.

Speaker 16 Now it's very

Speaker 4 simple. I said okay.

Speaker 4 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, okay, what's loaded

Speaker 4 up?

Speaker 23 I'm with Zaz.

Speaker 4 It felt like I had an undertone of racism. One of the most racist.
Wow!

Speaker 15 I didn't see it at first, but I'm starting to see it now.

Speaker 4 I didn't like that.

Speaker 14 Where's HR?

Speaker 12 He spent Sunday cheering for Harrison Butker, and I'm not happy with what's happening with Ambla Meka Jordan Z started gambling.

Speaker 23 Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 16 They're loaded, okay.

Speaker 4 There was a lot of poison in that okay, Jeremy.

Speaker 12 There was a lot of bass in that okay.

Speaker 12 Tim Hardaway came here as

Speaker 12 he was viewed as a problem, child. It wasn't just knees.
It wasn't just knees.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 2 Long-term heat expert, Dan Lebetard, telling you the truth.

Speaker 12 He was available cheap.

Speaker 12 It was also knees, but it wasn't just knees.

Speaker 15 It was available cheap because people thought his career is over. Also, you want to trust the guy who thought Ben Stiller had the jism in his hair?

Speaker 19 I mean, cheap. They gave up Kevin Willis and Bimbo Coles.

Speaker 15 Hey, man, Kevin Willis.

Speaker 4 Gotta get something to get something.

Speaker 15 Hold on, man. Kevin Willis, one of the longest NBA careers in NBA history.

Speaker 19 He had T-Rex arms.

Speaker 15 He did, but he was in great shape. Those arms were buffed, dude.

Speaker 19 Refused to pass.

Speaker 12 He wore nothing but Eddie Murphy suits, too. Like, all of his suits were leather.

Speaker 4 Oh, he has like a clothing line.

Speaker 12 Oh, but he was, he looked so good in those suits because he was so buffed. But you're right.
He had T-Rex arms. They were short arms.
He was a seven-footer, right?

Speaker 3 But he did not play like a seven-footer.

Speaker 15 I mean, he was athletic.

Speaker 15 He had some movement. He was a good player, but lacking the last, having short arms kind of is like a

Speaker 15 hazard in the workplace.

Speaker 12 Well, Greg Cody's having a bad arm day again, I think.

Speaker 14 Well, I was just curious, when did the alligator arm become the T-Rex arm? Because it was always the alligator arm for short.

Speaker 4 Either one.

Speaker 23 1993.

Speaker 12 I think alligator arms, I don't think alligator arms are short arms.

Speaker 12 I think alligator arms are scared arms, arms that you retract when you're going over the middle T-Rex arms are just your hands are attached to your nipples like you think you think an alligator's arms are scared yeah that sounds have you ever

Speaker 12 I thought they had the same meaning but Jeremy says you're right there alligator arms are scared arms look at me I'm Kevin Willis I'm gonna tell you right now I ain't never seen no alligator that was scared you seen one great no hell no man they are also short arms but they're arms that get short when you're scared going over I mean Ricky Waters has the famous quote when he played for the champion 49ers.

Speaker 12 He's going over the middle and he alligator arms something and he looked around.

Speaker 6 He's like, for who? For what?

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