Hour 1: The Foundation of Americana

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Speaker 5 This is the Don Levatar Show with the Stu Gats Podcast.

Speaker 1 I just looked at the NFL schedule for next week. We get Rams Bucks, but that's a great game.
But we also get the Chiefs in the hunt right now, presently. trying to save their season against the Colts.

Speaker 9 Coming up a bye.

Speaker 10 There's a bet to be made there, Dan.

Speaker 11 The line's only three and a half.

Speaker 12 That's tiny.

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Speaker 2 Put it on the poll, please. A couple of things.
Are you stunned that after next week, the Dolphins will have the same number of wins as the Chiefs? And does it hurt more

Speaker 2 if at the end you lose to a guy named Lutz at Lebatard Show? Also funny yesterday was on a tush push, Mark Andrews, the Immortal, lumbering 35 yards in the open field.

Speaker 11 He can scoot.

Speaker 14 He can still scoot.

Speaker 8 Dude, he can move.

Speaker 2 I expect at this age, with the beating he's taken as the Ravens career leader in touchdowns, for body parts to fall off and WD-40 to be required because things are creaking, but no, tush, push, fake, and he just lumbered 35 yards with the ball.

Speaker 2 I want to get to a couple of things here. The Jalen Ramsey, Jamar Chase spitting incident, Draymond Green

Speaker 7 being...

Speaker 2 Draymond Green, a gambler confronting Jimmy Butler. But before we get to any of those things, the Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody

Speaker 2 is now out. And in it,

Speaker 2 he laments and Chris told me he got sad in a way that made him emotional. He laments the death of the US Penny, the US penny.
Yes.

Speaker 12 It proves he'll get emotional about anything.

Speaker 12 Well, he had Yeti make a, like, I don't know if Yeti did it on his own. I don't know how it came to be, but Yeti made a song about the death of the penny.

Speaker 12 And if you watch our YouTube channel, you legitimately see my dad getting emotional.

Speaker 2 The penny costs more to make than it is worth.

Speaker 11 Yeah, almost four times as much.

Speaker 17 Why is that emotional for you?

Speaker 16 Because the penny is one of the foundations of Americana. I used to collect pennies when I grew up in one of those little blue folders with a, you know, you'd slide a penny into the hole.
And

Speaker 16 that was a big part of growing up to me, was the scent.

Speaker 12 There's a little nugget here, though, that you're leaving out. It's not, you can still use the penny.

Speaker 20 Oh, it's in circulation.

Speaker 12 They're just not making new ones. Like, you could still pay for stuff with a penny.
So it's like nothing is really changing.

Speaker 2 They're like newspapers.

Speaker 16 It's the death of the penny, though it's the death of the penny i can still go to mcdonald's and with a hundred pennies spend a dollar fine do you have a hundred pennies no because nobody collects pennies anymore all right put it on the poll at lebertard show is the penny one of the foundations of americana look the whole idea of coin nobody carries change anymore you know walking around everybody used to have a load in their pants you know you'd reach in your right pocket you'd reach in your right pocket there'd be a handful of coins and now nobody carries a coin anymore you know what you did, and the penny is part of that.

Speaker 1 Do you know what you did? What's that? The load in the pants.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Correct.

Speaker 1 Proud of himself.

Speaker 12 Do you guys want to celebrate the penny and song? Oh, I sure do.

Speaker 4 Do we?

Speaker 2 How do you feel about Yeti's song? Oh, that's the face that you're making. All right, let's hear a song on the Greg Cody Show featuring Greg Cody.

Speaker 2 Let's hear a song that Yeti made about the death of the penny. The penny, of course, one of the foundations of American.
Thank you.

Speaker 21 All right, that's it.

Speaker 21 What?

Speaker 2 You want to hear the song? It's on the Greg Cody Show featuring Greg Cody.

Speaker 20 That's a good tease by you.

Speaker 15 As long as this intro.

Speaker 22 I do like that riff, though.

Speaker 2 All right, that's enough.

Speaker 16 It's a great song. It's not a banger, right?

Speaker 23 It's a sentimental song, and appropriately so.

Speaker 3 Thank you, Yeti.

Speaker 3 Feeling me.

Speaker 22 Sounds like Fountains of Wayne to me.

Speaker 2 I will only talk about about the Giants and Packers in this way because I thought Bart Scott had the best analysis before the game.

Speaker 2 Before the game, I thought he had the best analysis and it ended up coming to fruition, which was just, you know, with Jameis Winston, it's trick or treat.

Speaker 2 Now, it was a couple of weeks after Halloween, but it's still, it was, it was still good analysis because it absolutely is.

Speaker 2 Put it on the poll at Lebatard Show with Jameis Winston. Is it trick or treat? And that concludes our Giants coverage, Packers coverage for the day.

Speaker 21 And it don't make sense

Speaker 21 to say goodbye.

Speaker 2 But let's talk about this spitting incident from this Steelers game. And I wasn't aware of this till yesterday.
I did not know that the Steelers had a 300-pound tight end named Darnell Washington.

Speaker 2 I thought that their tight ends were Fryermuth and

Speaker 2 Chanu Smith. Thank you, the former Dolphins.

Speaker 1 You've never seen Washington? Dude,

Speaker 4 talk about a load. You are locked in.
Yes, we are.

Speaker 18 And Aaron Rodgers is also locked in because he has eyes.

Speaker 2 He's got to be 300 pounds, right? He's not listed at 300 pounds, but he's got to be 300 pounds.

Speaker 2 That guy in the open field was just wrecking people.

Speaker 1 He reminds me a lot, and probably Aaron, of Jermichael Finley. Just a giant, put together, cut out of stone type of dude.

Speaker 24 They got him at 6'7, 264, but that's... uh

Speaker 10 you want to talk about a load, Greg.

Speaker 25 That guy loading his pants.

Speaker 16 Tell you what, damn right, jingle, jangle, right?

Speaker 2 So, Jalen Ramsey, uh, Jalen Ramsey, I don't think jingle jangle is the same kind of load company.

Speaker 1 It's just dawned upon me that he doesn't understand what a load means.

Speaker 7 We're talking about coins.

Speaker 10 When he said he was doing it,

Speaker 13 I don't think so. Yeah, I think he was lying.

Speaker 2 When you did load in the pants, we thought you knew what you were saying, but you were just saying change in the pants. But that's not what a load in the pants is.

Speaker 10 Do you know know about that, Jiz?

Speaker 16 There's more definitions to what that means.

Speaker 10 What do you think? I'm referring to a baby diaper?

Speaker 2 You know what? I'm not going to allow Mike Ryan to do that.

Speaker 10 That was obscene, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's got a

Speaker 26 minor penalty, two minutes for a shit contribution.

Speaker 23 This will work out with the green shirt.

Speaker 3 That's also a load in the pants.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the green screen and the green shirt isn't going to work, so you can go sit in there and make bad television like you made bad audio.

Speaker 7 He was right. It's right.

Speaker 2 It's unnecessary. I don't need...

Speaker 19 Uncouth was what it was.

Speaker 2 Yes. And I'll get to Shador Sanders in a second.
But let's do Jalen Ramsey and Jamar Chase. What's going on with spitting on people? Like, what is happening?

Speaker 2 And Jamar Chase just lied about it afterward. And what should the penalty for this be?

Speaker 1 He's going to get suspended.

Speaker 2 You think he's going to lose an entire game?

Speaker 17 It already happened with homeboy from.

Speaker 4 Jalen Carter. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, but Jalen Carter was suspended for the game that he was in. He was ejected for the one game, right?

Speaker 10 Wasn't he also suspended after that? that?

Speaker 12 I didn't know I believe he got, it was like early in the game. I think he just

Speaker 7 before a single play. Right.

Speaker 10 So I think he just, that game was.

Speaker 2 That's what I think got him suspended for the game. You think Jamar Chase is going to miss the next game? Yeah.

Speaker 2 What is happening with people spitting? What happened? So Jalen Ramsey punched him, right? And then, and, and the referee, did the referee see that Jalen Ramsey had been spit on?

Speaker 4 No, he must not have.

Speaker 12 No, he get Jalen, the punch gets seen. Jalen gets kicked out, and then we, of course, see afterwards that it was all triggered by a spit.

Speaker 10 A big loogie that he said he didn't spit.

Speaker 19 You clearly see like a massive spitwat flying through and hanging off of his face.

Speaker 12 We have the back and forth here. First, here's Jalen saying he did spit.

Speaker 3 He spit on me. So it's up.
I don't give fing on football after that.

Speaker 3 Respectfully.

Speaker 4 He had an important caveat.

Speaker 2 Respectfully. You know what? I think most people understand that, though.
I think most people say, you know what? I'm with Jalen Ramsey.

Speaker 3 So it's up. I don't give fing on football after that.

Speaker 3 Respectfully.

Speaker 17 Which gets the point across better, the respectfully or the quite frankly?

Speaker 2 Well, the quite frankly before bleep you has a bit of song in it. Respectfully looks like he's just trying to dilute what he said before it.

Speaker 2 I think the quite frankly builds up and then bleep you is the big puncture.

Speaker 12 And here's Jamar denying it, even though there's clear video evidence that he did spit.

Speaker 1 Just so clear, you did not spit on your own.

Speaker 3 That's what he's saying. I ain't spit on nobody.

Speaker 11 What a liar.

Speaker 10 Massive hawker.

Speaker 12 Maybe he was just talking crap and like spit out.

Speaker 12 So enthusiastic about what he's saying.

Speaker 2 Okay, but you guys are telling me, and I have not seen video or photographic proof of this. You guys are telling me that something was hanging from Jalen Ramsey's face mask.

Speaker 2 If that's the case, that's not spittle. Like, that's not, that, that is from the throat.
If it's something that's hanging, that's like

Speaker 2 a fern that's hanging from the face mask.

Speaker 12 Look.

Speaker 12 Look how scary Mike looks right now.

Speaker 18 Wow. That's too big.

Speaker 4 He's in a graveyard.

Speaker 2 It's too big of a disrespect, and I don't understand why it is that people continue to do this. And I wonder if the penalties need to be stiffer.
Because if you don't want things to escalate, right?

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 I think one of the things with punishments that is preventative is the consequences have to be to avoid escalation.

Speaker 7 That's why he's going to get suspended.

Speaker 2 And when you have, like, let's say whatever you believe to be the greatest escalations in sports history, the Malice at the Palace comes to mind, it starts with you throw a beer on Ron Artest.

Speaker 2 That action creates the escalation that ends up in the biggest suspensions you see in the history of the sport.

Speaker 2 I think the suspensions have to be pretty stiff on this as as a disrespect because what can escalate after that can get a lot messier than what happened in that game.

Speaker 2 If your teammates see it, then I know that, Greg, after

Speaker 2 the game that was marred earlier this season by punches being thrown after the game that involved the Lions, you were lamenting and you were saying that that had to be big suspensions.

Speaker 2 If other players on your team see that you have a Loogie hanging from your face mask, and it's Jalen Ramsey who's feeling that level of disrespect that he tells you after that.

Speaker 2 He's like, Football doesn't matter, my job doesn't matter, my paycheck doesn't matter, I'm on television doesn't matter, my team's in the playoff hunt doesn't matter, Aaron Rodgers last year doesn't matter, nothing matters after that.

Speaker 2 Like, it's just not something that you can have in the sport, you can't abide that level of disrespect. Suspending someone a game is something that matters in that sport when there are 17 17 games.

Speaker 2 But I do wonder if there are enough deterrents given the amount of spitting we've seen recently. It seems like there's not enough of a deterrent.

Speaker 16 Well, I think it's going to depend on the NFL really rethinking its whole punishment system and adding this because right now it's the physicality that they're after. In other words, if you spit at me

Speaker 16 and I punch you, I'm more liable for punishment than you are, even though you started it. And my other question is...

Speaker 2 The ref couldn't have seen that there was spit, though. That couldn't have been seen.
Otherwise, they'd both be ejected.

Speaker 16 But my other question is, what if the disrespect is spoken? What if instead of spitting at you, I say something that you can say?

Speaker 2 I don't think there's anything that you could say, honestly, as disrespectful as that. Put it on the poll at Lebatard Show.

Speaker 2 Is there anything anyone can say to you as disrespectful as spitting in your face?

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Speaker 24 Clarification on the Jalen Carter situation. So he was suspended in the game that he was in.
Obviously, kicked out. The NFL said, We're not going to suspend you for another following game after that.

Speaker 8 It was literally a whole game that he was kicked out for.

Speaker 19 It was, again, one of the first plays of the game.

Speaker 2 No, it was before the first play.

Speaker 11 It was after the kickoff. Yeah,

Speaker 2 it was on the field. Yeah, Dak Prescott had just come out.
But I would say, honestly, I'm not kidding about this. I'm serious about what I'm about to say.

Speaker 2 The punishment should be worse if the expectoration is worse. If there's a Lugie hanging from your face mask, like with Jalen Carter, there was some question about like, did he, didn't he?

Speaker 2 We got to go to the video. But if there's a Lugie hanging from your face mask, the punishment needs to be worse than that.

Speaker 17 So do you just have to leave the Lugie hanging on your face and run to the referee and say, see, see?

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 16 It takes a skill to spit through a face mask, I would imagine, because you've got a bar here or a bar there.

Speaker 16 How do you have to raise your lips to you know it's Kai who's never had his hand in the dirt?

Speaker 24 I don't like that from Greg Cody. I don't like that look.

Speaker 6 It's skillful though.

Speaker 24 Yeah, but you got to know you got to put a helmet on Throw a hawker out there just like Dan last week not not a fan of having his hand in the dirt Greg Cody showing your ass right now.

Speaker 16 Okay, but I'm respecting the ability to spit through a face mask. I don't condone spitting, but I'm respecting the ability to accurately spit on it.

Speaker 17 Sounds like you're not condemning it either, though.

Speaker 12 You ever spit on someone? I have not, nor would I.

Speaker 4 Me neither.

Speaker 16 Nor would I. But if I do spit on someone, does it justify him punching me in the face?

Speaker 11 I don't think so. Respectfully.

Speaker 18 You get a disease from being spit on.

Speaker 16 You're thinking five years ago.

Speaker 24 Have you seen the spit-offs that they have in like the East?

Speaker 25 They got rid of that.

Speaker 4 Respectfully.

Speaker 1 But never forget.

Speaker 15 It's a big breakthrough five years ago. They did to us.

Speaker 2 So five years ago, I really don't.

Speaker 2 Us, just for the record, okay?

Speaker 2 I want you guys to now imagine Jalen Jalen Ramsey out for the rest of the season because of a disease that he got

Speaker 2 from the mouth of

Speaker 2 Jamar Chase. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 16 Pandemic. Respectfully.

Speaker 1 Are you kidding me?

Speaker 16 You spit during the pandemic. They put a white suit on you.
You couldn't even...

Speaker 16 You couldn't even see through.

Speaker 12 Coughing just now is back.

Speaker 17 Jalen Ramsey out two weeks, spitting disease. Right.

Speaker 2 What is the disease you believe that people can get from spitting just out of curiosity?

Speaker 18 A spitosis.

Speaker 21 All right.

Speaker 1 I mean, they should both be gone.

Speaker 4 You ask me. Yeah, it's my mistake.

Speaker 2 I want to ask you guys this because I don't believe that there's any circumstance under which we're talking about the third string quarterback who's a fifth-round pick on a terrible Browns team unless it's Shadur Sanders.

Speaker 2 Like, it's legitimately not in my lifetime a story that I'm ever going to see talked about a great deal on a Monday after the weekend's games.

Speaker 2 How bad and unprepared did the fifth round pick, who is the third string quarterback for a truly terrible team?

Speaker 2 This is the only guy famous enough to have ever registered on anyone's conversation scale. He clearly wasn't ready.
The Browns obviously knew he wasn't ready.

Speaker 2 He showed yesterday why it is that they thought he was not ready. And yet I believe a lot of people will still be talking about him, even though he's an irrelevant person in the league.

Speaker 17 Can you hype up the crowd when you're running onto the field and then go four for 16 with an interception?

Speaker 17 That's tough.

Speaker 11 Yes, you can.

Speaker 2 It is tough.

Speaker 2 I rethought my position from

Speaker 2 a month ago where I was arguing on behalf of the Lego helmets. Romeo Dobbs, when you drop the ball that much, you can't be wearing a Lego helmet.

Speaker 2 Like, you got to catch the ball if you're wearing the Lego helmet.

Speaker 2 I'm fine with you running around wearing the Lego helmet and not dropping the ball, but if you're going to drop the ball and look ridiculous with the Lego helmet,

Speaker 2 I'm going to be embarrassed on your behalf.

Speaker 17 Am I supposed to believe, because

Speaker 17 the big story is that Shadur Sanders was completely unprepared, and it's not his fault.

Speaker 17 It's Kevin Stefanski's fault, because apparently he has not taken a single snap with the first team since preseason.

Speaker 17 How could that be true if he goes into this game as the backup? Not a single practice snap with the first team and he's the backup quarterback?

Speaker 17 I mean, is that even reasonable to believe?

Speaker 16 Well, he was only the backup because Dylan Gabriel got a concussion.

Speaker 12 But wouldn't a backup, wouldn't every week a backup get some reps with first team?

Speaker 7 He's literally a play away from playing.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 2 he was the backup.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was a backup once they got rid of Joe Flacco.

Speaker 1 I think the argument for not giving Shador any reps as a number two quarterback on the depth chart is they took another quarterback in this draft class that was higher, and that quarterback needs all the snaps that he can get with the first team.

Speaker 1 And clearly, they've seen enough throughout their evaluation process that leads them to believe they have a better chance of winning with Dylan Gabriel than Shador.

Speaker 1 And so probably they decided no snaps for Shador, all the snaps for Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 17 I mean, I'm sure that's true, but like when

Speaker 17 the Dolphins threw Quinn Urs in there a few weeks ago, like no one was saying he hasn't had a single snap with the first team in practice since training camp, right?

Speaker 1 Well, I don't think anybody was making excuses for him at the time. And I imagine Quinuers did get some first-team snaps.

Speaker 4 I would think so.

Speaker 2 But it's also

Speaker 2 not the same situation. Tua doesn't need more practice snaps.

Speaker 7 Dylan Gabriel needs all of the practice snaps.

Speaker 2 He's not a veteran quarterback. So just to correct things, because it's important that we get things right about all the Bears' defenses, but also diseases spread through spitting.

Speaker 2 AIDS not one of them. That's right.
So just to be clear. No, I said that.

Speaker 14 Double check on that. It was just

Speaker 2 there aren't a lot of diseases that can be spread through spitting.

Speaker 22 You can find out those though if you'd like.

Speaker 16 No, but I said half jokingly, and it's true, that during the height of the pandemic, if you sneezed in public, people looked at you crazy.

Speaker 4 Coffola.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Coughing was the real thing.

Speaker 10 Coughing, right?

Speaker 16 I'm a professional cougher. I know that.
It was tough going through the pandemic coughing, believe me.

Speaker 2 Before we get to Bill Belichick being cold in the handshake with Wake Forrest after the game, after losing to Wake Forrest, I do want to get to this Draymond Green story because we were just talking about Jamar Chase up and down lying about spitting on a face mask where there was clearly a Loogie.

Speaker 2 Draymond Green is also not telling the truth about whatever it is. What are the details I need to know about what he he was reacting to in regards to Angel Reese?

Speaker 17 Yeah, so yesterday, the Warriors were playing at the Pelicans. Boy, Pelicans are terrible, Dan.
The Warriors were at the Pelicans. Zion never plays, Dan, and they fired Willie Green, their coach.

Speaker 17 So the Warriors, that's a rundown. Everything you need to know about the Pelicans.

Speaker 4 Things are going well in New Orleans.

Speaker 10 Dan, keep interrupting yourself. I like that as a character.

Speaker 11 A lot of parenthets there.

Speaker 17 You know about them.

Speaker 17 So Draymond Green in the middle of the game walked over to, you know, behind the basket and he confronted a fan and by the way that fan is tall they were nose to nose all right and draymond green and the fan are having a back and forth and then eventually they get split up and the fan got warned you know don't do it again and so turned out what happened was

Speaker 17 Draymond Green was then asked after the game about the incident. I believe we have the video.
So here was Draymond Green's explanation as to what made him confront the fan.

Speaker 3 What happened in the second quarter with that fan?

Speaker 13 He just kept calling me a woman.

Speaker 3 It was a good joke at first, but

Speaker 3 he can't keep calling me a woman.

Speaker 3 Y'all did it.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 he got quiet, though, so it was fine.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he just kept calling me a woman's name. I am not.

Speaker 23 Mitchell came over. I mean, were you guys discussing?

Speaker 3 Yeah, he just told me. I got it.

Speaker 3 I've heard him over and over and over again you've had a good way

Speaker 17 don't get yourself in no trouble i'll take care of it coordinate was great okay so first draymond green is saying that the fan kept calling him a woman which you would think means one thing then eventually he was called a woman's name well as it turns out The fan was calling him Angel Reese because he kept missing shots and getting rebounds and that's all he could do.

Speaker 17 He keeps missing layups. Being called Angel Reese and being being called a woman are not the same thing, which is why Draymond Green never actually said what he was being called because it's stupid.

Speaker 2 He was offended because he kept missing shots and grabbing his own rebounds the way that

Speaker 2 the way that Angel Reese does.

Speaker 2 So the fan was complimenting him by calling

Speaker 2 a great offensive rebounder is what the fan meant in that situation.

Speaker 8 He was being called a woman. Thank you.

Speaker 6 Well, come on.

Speaker 16 You You know, there used to be a saying, I don't want to be the old.

Speaker 4 All right, I don't like where this is.

Speaker 4 We don't want to do that. Ooh, I like where this is.

Speaker 10 I know.

Speaker 4 Come on.

Speaker 8 This is not something he'll regret.

Speaker 10 Come on.

Speaker 4 The saying used to be: sticks and stones break my bones, but words will never hurt me.

Speaker 4 Where that was.

Speaker 4 That's a good one.

Speaker 6 If somebody calls me a woman or calls me Angel Reese, what am I supposed to do?

Speaker 16 Get all macho and punch the guy?

Speaker 11 Come on.

Speaker 4 I knew you're a support.

Speaker 7 Take an insult like a man and move on.

Speaker 12 Do you know the actual saying, sticks and stones?

Speaker 10 Like a man?

Speaker 10 You know, or like a woman, as the case may be.

Speaker 12 Say the saying that you're talking about. What saying? What do you mean? Sticks and stones.

Speaker 16 Will break my bones, but words will never hurt me.

Speaker 12 I thought maybe you'd screw it up after saying it's a great saying.

Speaker 16 I grew up with that saying.

Speaker 18 Well, you always say it.

Speaker 2 Back when the penny mattered.

Speaker 17 Yes.

Speaker 20 The U.S. sent.

Speaker 16 Bring it back, Jack.

Speaker 6 Let's go.

Speaker 2 He was not the only warrior who was, I'm not going to say, was this a confrontation? Was Jimmy Butler?

Speaker 2 What happened here? What happened with Jimmy Butler and a gambler before we get to this Bill Belichick moment? Jimmy Butler, the Warriors beat the Spurs twice with Steph Curry going crazy.

Speaker 2 With Steph Curry going.

Speaker 18 He's so good right now.

Speaker 1 I think he might be my MVP right now.

Speaker 1 Really? He might be my MVP of the day.

Speaker 2 Really? Yeah,

Speaker 10 he's playing that well right now.

Speaker 1 He's wearing Nikes.

Speaker 24 Yeah, wearing Kobe's.

Speaker 4 He's a secret free agent, by the way, Danji.

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Speaker 6 Don Lebatard. I want to address Tony and all men who would wear that shirt in public.
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Speaker 2 Did you guys hear what Greg Cody said when MVP talk came up? He just muttered under his breath, Norman Powell.

Speaker 2 All right, let's hear and watch Jimmy Butler in the street having an interaction with a gambler.

Speaker 2 I'm sure athletes love being in the street and hearing from gamblers or fantasy players on how they ruined everything.

Speaker 28 Green Apple looking at

Speaker 29 stupid big ass Tim's on Jimmy Butler, man.

Speaker 28 They don't give a f in that city. Look at him.

Speaker 29 Mopraine, look at that.

Speaker 30 Yeah, bro. I put 3,000 to win 30.
Why you have 30 perks?

Speaker 30 Jimmy Butler, why you did not have a 30 perks?

Speaker 30 You were supposed to go over.

Speaker 30 You worked for Vegas. You worked for Vegas.

Speaker 12 Seems reckless.

Speaker 2 That's a fair question.

Speaker 14 No, it isn't.

Speaker 25 Green Apple looking at is a good one.

Speaker 8 When not Timberlands,

Speaker 2 you can't talk to people like that, man.

Speaker 4 Who do you think you are?

Speaker 4 I'll keep doing the impression I like it.

Speaker 4 Keep using that voice. That's great.

Speaker 2 For those of you who cannot see this,

Speaker 2 Jimmy Butler is wearing, what is the color? It's somewhere between

Speaker 2 yellow and lime. Is it green apple? It's like a pale green.

Speaker 10 All right.

Speaker 2 Garish.

Speaker 2 It's not. It's very colorful, I guess.

Speaker 13 it's a highlighter.

Speaker 22 It's a yellow highlighter after you've gone over black pen just one time. So it's just slightly darker than the yellow highlighter.

Speaker 16 It's got a little vomit quality to it.

Speaker 17 I like how Jimmy, he wasn't necessarily offended by the things the guy was saying. It's that, can't you see I'm on the phone?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 2 This is admirable restraint from Jimmy Butler. You really shouldn't talk to people like this.

Speaker 22 100%.

Speaker 2 You should not do this.

Speaker 7 Play the whole thing.

Speaker 28 Jimmy Butler, man, he don't give a f on that city. Hey, look at him.

Speaker 29 Mo Prey, look at A.

Speaker 30 Yeah, hey. Bro, I put 3,000 and went 30.
Why you have 30 perks?

Speaker 30 Jimmy Button up. Why you did not have a 30 perks? You were supposed to go over.

Speaker 30 You worked for Vegas. You worked for Vegas.

Speaker 8 It's crazy.

Speaker 2 Would you guys, if Jimmy Butler reached into that man's car and slapped him,

Speaker 2 If just if Jimmy Butler reached into the car and slapped him,

Speaker 2 most athletes know better than this, know they're being provoked, know that a a lawsuit can come from the video,

Speaker 2 know that this person can be videoing them in order to get the provocation response.

Speaker 2 But if he had slapped them, would you guys have the similar reaction that you did to Jalen Ramsey when he's like, Yeah, I understand

Speaker 2 why it is that he punched Jamar Chase?

Speaker 6 I think it relates to our earlier conversation.

Speaker 16 If Jimmy Butler reaches through that window and punches that man, Jimmy Butler gets suspended by the end of the day.

Speaker 12 This feels a little more playful than a spit. spit.

Speaker 18 That guy sucks.

Speaker 2 No, you can't. That feels playful to you when he calls him a ass.
Like, that feels playful to you.

Speaker 18 It's rude.

Speaker 4 It's rude.

Speaker 2 Because you guys cut that off on the second part. Like, that's the one that was like,

Speaker 2 once it got to there, one more time. Because if someone talks to me this way, I'm not taking it as playful.
I'm not receiving what you're doing. I'm not receiving.

Speaker 2 I'm not receiving this as playful is what I'm telling you.

Speaker 17 Green apple looking at

Speaker 28 stupid big ass Tams on Jimmy Butler man, they don't give a f in that city look at him

Speaker 30 look at that yeah bro I put 3,000 to win 30 why you have 30 perks

Speaker 30 Jimmy Butler why you did not have a 30 perks

Speaker 30 you were supposed to go over

Speaker 30 you work for Vegas you worked for Vegas green apple looking at

Speaker 17 without without the profanity why didn't you go over 30 points a fair question Oh the way he said points was funny perts pernt

Speaker 29 look at that

Speaker 19 Pat Bett, though, three grand on Jimmy over 30.

Speaker 10 I don't like that.

Speaker 16 Isn't over 30 always a dangerous bet?

Speaker 18 Maybe he may have been getting off.

Speaker 2 Not in today's NBA. Marketing will give you 47 every night.

Speaker 14 It's good.

Speaker 12 It was. Yeah.
To win 30, he said, so it must have paid really good.

Speaker 22 You work for Vegas.

Speaker 14 It's crazy.

Speaker 2 What is propane-looking ass?

Speaker 18 Do you know when you see it?

Speaker 2 No, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Is he alleging that the color of the outfit is propane-colored?

Speaker 11 Play it, look at A.

Speaker 19 Play it again. Play it again.

Speaker 29 Vote pain, look at A.

Speaker 15 It's not propane.

Speaker 12 The text said propane.

Speaker 10 I thought it was propane too.

Speaker 12 It's something else.

Speaker 21 Mopay, look at A.

Speaker 10 Moped looking. One more time?

Speaker 29 Mopay, look at A.

Speaker 16 Moped?

Speaker 1 Totally comfortable with this.

Speaker 4 Good stuff.

Speaker 8 Jimmy doesn't seem very amused.

Speaker 2 Nor should he be. He just was on the phone.

Speaker 16 I think he handled it admirably.

Speaker 6 See, I credit Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 10 For sure.

Speaker 4 For sure.

Speaker 2 These guys are used to it, but it is dehumanizing in a way that's super strange. Like, I don't know how it is or why it is.
Well, I kind of do, actually.

Speaker 2 Why it is people are that comfortable being that disrespectful.

Speaker 16 I think athletes are more and more comfortable with living with the gambling and the fantasy element of what they do for a living. Quick example, A.J.

Speaker 16 Brown, who spent the entire season complaining that the Eagles aren't throwing him the ball enough, was quoted the other day as saying, I wouldn't have me on my fantasy team.

Speaker 16 I'm not getting the ball enough. Nobody should have me on their fantasy team.

Speaker 1 If I could be for real for a moment, that's a scary situation. If you're Jimmy Butler walking down the street, a dude pulls up on you in the car.
You don't know what he has.

Speaker 12 I would argue that this guy did not cross the line, but I'm with you that you don't know.

Speaker 1 There is nobody that is comfortable with anybody driving up to them, screaming at you.

Speaker 4 You don't know what is happening. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 2 Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Speaker 2 The only reason you don't think he crossed the line is because you too think that you're entitled with gambling, fantasy, or whatever, to be mad at an athlete because he cost you money.

Speaker 2 That crosses the line. Like that absolutely, you don't talk about that.

Speaker 12 But for me, like if the scale is zero, like if 10 is, I'm legitimately fearful that I'm about to be attacked. If that's a 10, to me, this is like a six or seven.

Speaker 2 You can't call him a bitch ass and you can't do that.

Speaker 10 Get harassed in public.

Speaker 12 But he's saying it play, like, I get it. Like, but he's not, I don't hear this guy's tone and being like, oh my God, this guy's, I'm with you.
I don't know where the line is either. I'm not saying

Speaker 1 let's have a car roll up on you and say, hey, Chris, Chris Cody, in that tone.

Speaker 10 Like, you don't be looking for a bad thing.

Speaker 4 I've been heckled walking to my car before.

Speaker 13 That's not like, I don't think, like, you cost me money.

Speaker 10 You work for Vegas.

Speaker 9 He's calling him a B-word.

Speaker 2 Like, he's, I mean, you don't know what he's asking.

Speaker 16 I think it's a fine line here. I think that Jimmy Butler absolutely is being insulted.
I don't think he's being threatened.

Speaker 16 It seems like...

Speaker 2 It's not a fine line. Don't talk to people that way.

Speaker 7 That's not a fine line. This is pretty cut and dry.

Speaker 22 Like, this should not be happening. No, I'm not saying that you should be like cowering in fear but i i also think that like

Speaker 22 to have someone drive up roll down their window and start yelling at you no matter what the context by the way on the phone right so he doesn't know at first what this guy is yelling at him that's not and by the way even given what he is yelling at him not okay you should not be approaching people saying you work for vegas that's not how this works that you work for vegas was the least offensive thing he said no but it's the

Speaker 4 around. It's the

Speaker 8 like he's being playful.

Speaker 9 Like, there's no point there where Jimmy thinks this guy's getting out.

Speaker 12 And I'm with you.

Speaker 19 That's where his face is.

Speaker 12 That's why this, I'm with you. That this is not a good thing because someone might go past the line.

Speaker 12 I think that this guy was like close to the line, but on like the playful side.

Speaker 10 But I'm with you that I don't know if this is slippery slopes.

Speaker 2 He's criticizing both his appearance, his choice in shoes. A funny joke.
Accusing him of fixing games and calling him a bitch ass. Where do you think the line is?

Speaker 16 I think the line is getting out of the car and being physically threatening.

Speaker 1 Guys, guys, he started with green apple looking ass.

Speaker 24 We're fine. You're fine, guys.

Speaker 19 We're fine.

Speaker 7 He was a little sensitive on this.

Speaker 10 It could have escalated, and it is a little bit.

Speaker 4 This looking ass.

Speaker 1 Wait, is this in San Francisco?

Speaker 4 Fentanyl capital of the world. Not

Speaker 2 big Tims. It was stupid ass Tims.

Speaker 1 It was big, stupid ass Tim's.

Speaker 24 Funny. It's just a funny bird.

Speaker 22 I can't believe we're debating it.

Speaker 15 Were they big, stupid-ass Tims?

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Did he look like a green apple?

Speaker 7 Propane tank?

Speaker 1 I thought Jimmy handled that exceptionally well.

Speaker 7 Perfectly. Me too.

Speaker 2 You guys have a different...

Speaker 10 So you think that guy should be arrested?

Speaker 4 To me, it's just like a...

Speaker 20 Yes, shot in the street, Chris.

Speaker 2 Yes, that's what I think.

Speaker 13 You literally just said that he went way past the line.

Speaker 4 Chris. Okay, like...

Speaker 2 Arrested, Chris? Arrested. Like, there are no detours.
No, it's not a crime what he did. So there are no detours.
Wait a minute. So you're lying is crime? Commit a crime against.

Speaker 12 You guys are the ones freaking out over this, and I'm asking you, like, what should I do?

Speaker 4 Should they call a cops? Like, what?

Speaker 2 I'm not freaking out. I'm saying that's wildly disrespectful to do to somebody you don't know.

Speaker 7 It's disrespectful.

Speaker 16 What should Jimmy Butler have done?

Speaker 18 What would you do? What he did.

Speaker 10 Exactly what he did.

Speaker 2 Exactly. But that's calling on the athlete to show vastly better behavior as the victim of this.
than it is of the fan, which I'm not surprised.

Speaker 2 When I say, oh, I'm not surprised why this happens, yes, more and more, because you're in fantasy leagues with these players and because they cost you money, more and more fans, the customer, feels.

Speaker 2 more and more entitled to dehumanize the athlete. But that is not a person you talk to that way.
You heard Draymond Green say while he was talking, you heard him say, it was fine, I handled it.

Speaker 2 As soon as I confronted him face to face, that stopped. Everything stopped because that's not something that you do to Jimmy Butler unless you're trying to provoke some sort of response.
Like

Speaker 2 if Jimmy Butler does slap you in the face, you were looking for it by talking to him that way.

Speaker 16 Right, but who gets in trouble?

Speaker 6 Jimmy Butler. That's correct.

Speaker 2 But who got in trouble in the Jalen Ramsey thing? He was disrespected and then Jalen Ramsey got in trouble.

Speaker 2 Like that's, but the better behavior is required of the athlete in that spot because I assure you, the conversation, if we had video of Jimmy Butler slapping that guy or worse, just putting his fist repeatedly in the car, Jimmy Butler would be the one that's in trouble there when the thing that happened was the disrespect escalated to that point.

Speaker 2 And I'd be sitting there saying, you know what? I don't blame Jimmy Butler for doing that.

Speaker 2 Don't talk to Jimmy Butler that way if you don't know Jimmy Butler and he doesn't know you're being playful.

Speaker 24 And also the responsibility is on the athlete.

Speaker 24 They know they have more to lose than a guy who's going to pull up on the street and make a joke about you looking like a green apple, wearing stupid ass Tims.

Speaker 24 Like, you know that going into it, hey, I make millions of dollars a year.

Speaker 24 I can't do anything.

Speaker 16 If Jimmy Butler leans into that car window and starts yelling back at that guy, the escalation is on Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 16 He's the athlete who needs to take the high road there. I give him all the credit in the world for the way he handled that.

Speaker 30 You worked for Vegas. You worked for Vegas.

Speaker 2 We've got breaking news here with the Atlanta Falcons, Michael Pennock's potential season-ending knee injury. So it looks like Kirk Cousins will probably be going the rest of the way there.

Speaker 2 I'm assuming that Aaron Rodgers' wrist is broken. I don't know if Aaron Rodgers can play or would want to play with a broken left wrist.

Speaker 7 Like, they are,

Speaker 2 if it's not his, does anyone have any earthly idea?

Speaker 2 Any earthly idea whether or not

Speaker 2 he could play with a broken left wrist, given that it's not really, I don't know whether you can hold a snap. Can you even take a snap without fumbling if

Speaker 2 you've got a cast on

Speaker 2 your left hand?

Speaker 16 I would think that's going to remove him from the game. Generally, when a right-handed quarterback has the opposite arm injury, whether it's a shoulder or anything like that,

Speaker 16 they're out.

Speaker 17 I mean, it wouldn't be a cast, tape it up.

Speaker 7 I think he probably plays.

Speaker 16 Yeah, but you're going to take a snap, though?

Speaker 17 Aaron's shotgun. It's not like the ball is going to be pushed into your hand.

Speaker 4 But he's got a shotgun all all the time, though.

Speaker 24 Like, he's got to go under center with their offense. He's got to go under center.
But the thing is, it's not even that. It's just the act of football.
All right, I'm fine.

Speaker 24 I throw the ball, I get tackled, and then I land on my wrist like the way I broke it the first time.

Speaker 12 It's just going to us trying to break down this wrist injury is one of like this last 30 seconds.

Speaker 17 I did good analysis.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Greg.

Speaker 13 Like that. Zaslow, so did Richard Body.

Speaker 1 90-year-old man and a guy that threw imaginary.

Speaker 8 He's taking a snap before.

Speaker 13 When you take a snap, he started talking about the wrist.

Speaker 4 Tony like mimed a hut to like all right let me text yeah because I was saying all right you go right that's a right-handed corner right over left right here we are the worst that

Speaker 2 I don't know damn I don't know boom I'm up here I don't know it seems like it hurts neither do I um but do you know how hard that has a green apple looking at what are you talking about that says he might play do you know how hard it is for us as a show to be worse than we were with Chris Cody saying, man, I don't think that's close to the line.

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Speaker 12 I mean, I think you guys are off on this one.

Speaker 3 This guy getting heckled, by the way.

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Speaker 8 Yo, chicken thigh.

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