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Speaker 4 Chris, do you know the whereabouts of Zazlo?

Speaker 4 Because I see a clue. For some reason, there's half a bagel with way too much cream cheese on it next to me.

Speaker 4 And I see a clue that he's here somewhere, but I haven't seen what he's doing as we start the show. And he's usually pretty responsible.

Speaker 5 Way too much cream cheese is quite the statement. It needs to be a lot of cream cheese for it to be way too much cream cheese.

Speaker 4 I mean, he's hurting us.

Speaker 4 You've seen the breakfasts go down in quality because of the amount of money that he is spent, him and Ethan are spending on the amount of cream cheese they consume in the morning.

Speaker 6 It is a lot of cream cheese. I mean, like, I I don't think there should be a measurable difference in height.

Speaker 6 There should be like NBA players in socks versus in shoes, bagel without the cream cheese or with the cream cheese.

Speaker 5 And now they're policing the cream cheese because I heard Ethan before the show say to Lewis, hey, why are you taking so much cream cheese?

Speaker 4 The first time I saw Zaszlo's bagel, I thought it was a piece of cake because it had so much white cake on top of it. But what's the answer to my question? Where is he? What's he doing, right?

Speaker 5 I know he's here today. I would assume he's preparing for some punishment.
I don't know what he's dressing as today, but I believe he's preparing for a grid of death punishment.

Speaker 4 I don't know if the rest of you feel the way that I do.

Speaker 4 Did all of you

Speaker 4 feel the general hostility of Mike Ryan this morning, walking into the room just enraged at the CFP committee and Arkansas's athletic director?

Speaker 5 I would say personally, I felt it more on Twitter the last couple of days than I did this morning. He seemed fine this morning for me.

Speaker 4 Well, he greeted me with bleep off, why would you say that NC State won only five games and one of them was against Campbell?

Speaker 4 And then he accused me of getting that stat from somewhere other than the schedule. Like he accused me of getting it from a biased member.

Speaker 2 Who emailed you that? Greg Sankey?

Speaker 4 He's not being reasonable about.

Speaker 2 I'm being logical.

Speaker 2 I'm applying logic, and that's where I've erred.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 4 you're you're not being reasonable about understanding that this is like complaining about the judges in boxing it's what the thing is like this the the whole the whole thing that college football is is feed the argument feed the outrage before it even matters let's do a television show

Speaker 4 on total contrivances. It's like doing a television show after the third round in boxing by asking the judges what they think so far.

Speaker 3 Rank the fighters so far.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so far, what do you think, Larry?

Speaker 8 If we had open scoring and boxing and combat sports, obviously, you'd know what you'd have going out throughout the different rounds.

Speaker 8 In college football, you kind of have that too because you have the games every single week, and then you have the show every single week.

Speaker 2 Only instead of the charismatic Larry Merchant, you have a wet sock.

Speaker 4 All right, we'll get to the Arkansas Athletic Director right now.

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Speaker 4 I'm doing this off the top of my head, so I will need help from the group on this.

Speaker 4 When I think of Arkansas sports in general,

Speaker 4 I think of Nolan Richardson's basketball teams, but I'm pretty sure Arkansas hasn't been great at anything since Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones played for the Arkansas football team.

Speaker 4 So that's how long that has been. I'm just doing it off of the top of my head.

Speaker 4 I have not looked up the resume of Arkansas, but off the top of your head, give me the Arkansas teams. It would only be basketball, right? Football hasn't mattered in Arkansas in a minute.

Speaker 4 And the Arkansas Athletic Director is now running or spokesman for the CFP. He's got very little in the way of personality.
So Zaslow is serving his punishment. He is the Pope.

Speaker 6 He is a Pope

Speaker 4 who really likes his cream cheese. And he is a Chicago White Sox fan.
It is a good outfit. What is the answer to my question off the top of your head, if any of you?

Speaker 2 If you're going to bypass the Arkansas Razorbacks men's basketball team,

Speaker 2 they had Darren McFadden, Felix Jones.

Speaker 2 They had a good run in football there in the SEC, and then Bobby Petrino got in that accident.

Speaker 6 How about a man named Jerry Jones?

Speaker 2 Ever heard of him? Have you ever heard of Steve Martin? Steve Martin was a good one.

Speaker 4 I want to mention that it's a long time ago because Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson are very old. They're both in their 80s, and so they played football.

Speaker 4 I want you to imagine, given the general frailty right now of Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones, Jimmy Johnson was a nose tackle.

Speaker 4 That's the last time Arkansas was good at football, but I'm going to make fun of this person. What is this person's name?

Speaker 2 I don't know how to pronounce it. Hunter, you're a chick.

Speaker 4 All right, let's play some sound here as they explain, they explain how, or he explains, why it is that Notre Dame and Miami, even though they will have the same record at the end of the season if they both keep winning, and even though Miami beat Notre Dame when they played, why he's explaining that Notre Dame's loss to Miami is more impressive than Miami's victory over Notre Dame.

Speaker 7 Be in the field, we know they have to win the ACC to get in.

Speaker 7 How close is Miami and Notre Dame in terms of evaluation within the row?

Speaker 11 I think when you look, Greece, at Notre Dame and Miami, we really compare the losses of those two teams. Miami has lost to two unranked teams.

Speaker 11 Notre Dame has lost to two teams that are ranked in our top 13. And so we really haven't compared those two teams.
They haven't been in similar comparative pools to date.

Speaker 11 But Miami is creeping up into that range where they will be compared to Notre Dame if something happens above them.

Speaker 4 I will continue to request of the audience and people who listened to this show for the last few years when invariably

Speaker 4 they did a made-for-television event event for this very reason, trafficking on America's number one addiction, which is just outrage. It's just arguing.

Speaker 4 That is the greatest sport we have going right now is argument. And so I will continue to compare it to boxing.
I don't love that boxing has three judges and that's how you decide the winners.

Speaker 4 I've never loved it, but that's what college football is. You can use your computers, you could use your committees.
They're not deciding things on the field.

Speaker 4 They are deciding things with a bunch of people being judges. And so understand that it's made for television gymnastics.
Like, that's what it is.

Speaker 4 I understand that it's college football, but it's gymnastics. They're not making the decisions based absolutely on merit.
It's not absolute in any way.

Speaker 4 It's this guy haunting Mike from behind because he is, as you said, a wet sock. He has no personality.
If you're going to make something for television, entertain me, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, get a charismatic lead.

Speaker 3 I think where

Speaker 2 I and most of the people struggle to follow is

Speaker 2 we went to this committee because we were upset with the computers because they weren't taking head-to-head into account. And they outlined these criteria, and the criteria shifts year to year.

Speaker 2 There's no consistency. Last year, they underlined quality wins.
This year, they're saying when you compare Miami, you compare the quality losses.

Speaker 2 Comparing quality losses is a tiebreaker in the event the two teams don't play head to head. Why are we bypassing that? And also, if I'm a player, let's set my Miami homerism aside for just a second.

Speaker 2 It's hard to do. I'm setting it aside for a while.

Speaker 4 You're cloaked in it. Sometimes it feels like you're drowning in it.

Speaker 2 It's only your lips.

Speaker 4 I'm not the ocean of Miami by it.

Speaker 2 So let's, they establish the criteria. Notre Dame and Miami, we can't even compare them because Notre Dame is in a different tier.
BYU is ahead of Miami. BYU has one loss.

Speaker 2 BYU has a win over Utah, which is ranked just below BYU. It's a better win than Notre Dame has, which is USC.
They have one fewer loss, and their quality loss is to Texas Tech.

Speaker 2 They have one loss, but Notre Dame has two. So establishing the criteria.
So if I've established that criteria, why in the hell is Notre Dame ranked ahead of BYU?

Speaker 4 I got a better question.

Speaker 6 Why is Miami ranked ahead of Georgia Tech? We're the best team in the ACC.

Speaker 2 Why don't we have that spot? You lost to NC State.

Speaker 2 They put up 48 points on you. NC State didn't cross the 50.
I hear you. The good news for you is you have everything in front of you.
You can play your way into the ACC championship game.

Speaker 2 You're arguing with a wall. And you'll be there.
Like, everyone understands that. I would look at those CFPs.
I'd say it's a joke. Oh, cool.
I care. I'm with you.

Speaker 3 And they're going to get it if they win the ACC. Like, it's not an issue.

Speaker 2 I'm with you, by the way.

Speaker 6 I'm just saying, we're going to have an ACC team in there. Why don't we have the current ACC leader?

Speaker 2 Let me ask a different question.

Speaker 4 Let me answer Mike's question when he says, why is BYU with one loss ahead of Notre Dame? Because

Speaker 4 behind, excuse me, behind Notre Dame.

Speaker 4 The reason for that is because this year, for whatever the reason is, they're measuring the losses. And

Speaker 4 BYU got dragged by Texas Tech. It's the way they lost to Texas Tech.
It's that it wasn't a closed game. Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 They have the number six team. And they have one fewer losses.

Speaker 4 Yes, it's the number six team, but they lost by a million points.

Speaker 2 They lost by three scores, and it's one loss.

Speaker 2 It's one loss, and it's a quality one.

Speaker 2 They have a better win than Notre Dame.

Speaker 4 What I'm telling you is you're saying you just made your own point when you said they're measuring losses this year. The way they lost to Texas Tech is what makes them drop that far in the ranking.

Speaker 2 So now it's how much you lose? It's not even the amount of losses. Yes.
So they have one fewer loss. It's a quality loss.
One better win than Notre Dame.

Speaker 4 It's not a quality loss because you lose by three scores, it's not a quality loss. You just played a good opponent, but you got dragged by them.
That game was never close.

Speaker 2 It's not a quality loss.

Speaker 4 No, because of the way they lost.

Speaker 3 If they're measuring losses ahead of the quality wins, why are the undefeated teams one, two, and three?

Speaker 2 Like the teams with a loss should be.

Speaker 4 Well, that's a good point.

Speaker 4 I think it's because Mike Ryan made fun of me last week because I said the three best teams I've seen are Texas, A ⁇ M, Ohio State, and Indiana.

Speaker 2 No, they weren't in any quality losses.

Speaker 4 No, but he's like, really, Dan, so you're going out on a limb there with all the undefeated teams. But BYU was undefeated, and I never considered them one of the best teams.

Speaker 4 And then they got dragged by Texas Tech. Texas Tech has also lost.
They lost because they played their backup quarterback in an important game.

Speaker 4 But Texas Tech has looked all season to me like one of the best teams. But it's the way they beat BYU.
Here's the thing about Miami.

Speaker 4 Here is the thing that... I'd make an argument if we're doing this as subjectively as judges

Speaker 4 on behalf of Miami. You know they're one of the best teams.
You know why?

Speaker 4 they're going to be favored in every single game they play this year so you know the money you know they're one of the best teams so if there are a bunch of teams with two losses the money tells you they're never an underdog They are always expected to win every single game they play this season.

Speaker 4 Now, I don't know. The three teams at the top would probably, I don't even,

Speaker 4 maybe Indiana would be favored against them?

Speaker 2 No, I think they would. Right now, again, people keep saying, well, who would be favored right now, Notre Dame or Miami?

Speaker 2 And I would always say, Notre Dame, they were favored when they played in September when Miami beat them.

Speaker 2 Like, lions are about getting 50-50 action.

Speaker 2 Miami would probably be an underdog at Oxford. I think I saw a three-and-a-half-point line out there.
I think this is much larger than betting lines or anything like that.

Speaker 2 I knew Miami's chances were cooked in this CFA.

Speaker 4 There's nothing larger than betting lines, by the way. That's the most important thing.

Speaker 2 when you say this is something larger than betting lines it's where the money goes and while it's if that wet sock came out and said that I'd understand it but there is no consistency here they put Arizona state at number 25 we all know why they did that it's directly tied to not wanting to have Miami and Notre Dame bunched up together it is because they want to avoid that discussion I want to ask you something so so if that is true if that's why Utah exists okay which by the way Utah's athletic director joined the playoff committee last week okay if that part is true that that's why they want to have them number 25.

Speaker 3 Do they have that discussion in the room or is it like an unspoken thing where they all know, hey, like, you know, we just got to do the thing, which will...

Speaker 2 Well, one of the people having the discussion is the aforementioned athletic director at Utah. Arizona State got ranked number 25.
Arizona State represents Utah's best win.

Speaker 2 Utah's best win came against Arizona State, who was playing Jeff Sims at quarterback, not Sam Levitt.

Speaker 2 Arizona State is behind both Louisville and SMU. If you look at others receiving votes in the AP top 25, they're behind SMU in the coaches poll.
Both SMU and Louisville are unranked.

Speaker 2 And I've heard for two weeks how this is a bad loss.

Speaker 2 The SMU loss is a bad loss, even though SMU was a CFP team last year and has one ACC regular season loss since they joined the conference. I keep hearing it's a bad loss.
So what do you do?

Speaker 2 How do we juice this Utah ranking? We rank Arizona State, even though they have no business being ranked here. Arizona State has zero business being ranked.

Speaker 4 They're behind the two teams that Miami lost to in all the other rankings.

Speaker 3 I hear what you're saying, my son.

Speaker 4 The idea that we're throwing this in the lap of judges and you're bouncing past what I'm saying about betting lines, when it comes to the judgment of money, Miami will be favored in all of its games.

Speaker 4 That means you think they're good.

Speaker 4 You're not doing that. with more than 12 teams in the country.
They're one of the best 12 teams in the country based on how it is the money would decide when you put them against people.

Speaker 4 The reason the SMU loss is viewed as a bad loss is because they were an eight and a half point favorite. Right.

Speaker 2 Notre Dame was a, I think it closed at six and a half point favorite to Texas A ⁇ M. I guess the difference is two points there.

Speaker 2 Look, Notre Dame is a really good team.

Speaker 2 I understand this.

Speaker 3 Why does everyone love Notre Dame so much?

Speaker 2 I understand why Notre Dame is seriously. You're saying that? That's

Speaker 4 saying that sometimes the Pope knows why everyone loves Notre Dame so much. What do you mean?

Speaker 3 I'm trying to be fair, my son.

Speaker 2 Amen. I would love to hear the Pope rip Notre Dame.
Notre Dame has gotten fat off of a flat track. I mean, Notre Dame's third best win is probably Miami's third-best win.

Speaker 2 It's both encapsulated by NC State. I mean, they were up 10 to 7 on NC State at halftime, but Notre Dame is a really good team.
I'm not arguing that Notre Dame should be out of the CFP.

Speaker 2 Only they should be out of the CFP if Miami finds itself out of the CFP because they're either both in or just Miami's in.

Speaker 6 I've asked this question before on Cinefo, but does Notre Dame have to kick back to the Vatican like a little taste of the action?

Speaker 2 Put it on the poll, Playsette Lebatard show.

Speaker 4 Does Notre Dame have to kick back to the Vatican a little taste of the action?

Speaker 2 And I hate Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 6 If Daniel Day-Lewis did it, you'd be jerking off all over yourself.

Speaker 2 Oh, come on. Yeah, I would be.
Aggressive description.

Speaker 4 I I mean, what is that?

Speaker 6 I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 No, no, that's me. I'm just saying what? That's me.
Daniel Day-Lewis does something.

Speaker 2 I see that photo of Daniel Day-Lewis looking like Lincoln before he's about to start filming Lincoln. And you know what I do? I mean, stugats.
I jerk off all over myself. That's what I do.

Speaker 4 Lincoln, who you outed the other day?

Speaker 2 Don't make this a rejoin.

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Speaker 4 I'm going to move off of this subject. If you want more, Mike Ryan, on University of Miami Outrage, there is a bubble that he lives in.
He is

Speaker 4 a co-owner of an afternoon delight that he's going to be partaking in. Are you going to do a seven-hour Outrage special today?

Speaker 2 We have Kane's Insight today. D-Money, Peter Reese, and myself will be on live on our YouTube page, youtube.com/slash at official Kane's Insight at 1.30.

Speaker 2 If you want more of this, we have Jess joining us later today. That's a losing proposition for for me.
I really don't want to do that, but she'll be joining us.

Speaker 4 I will just tell people that if they want more of this, that's where they can get it. But it is something I've been lamenting.

Speaker 4 Like I really do remember on Highly Questionable when they broke out the whole idea of committee, weekly announcements, made-for-television event.

Speaker 4 I've been complaining, what's how long they've been doing this now?

Speaker 4 For more than five years about like the stupidity of we're really going to do this in November where we're just going to fill the work week with talking about arguing about what judges think about things that are subjective when the teams actually play and the way that we do meritocracy in sports is you play you win you get to keep playing games unless it's inner Miami then you take a month off

Speaker 6 so to be clear nobody here will even deign an answer of the whether Notre Dame has to kick back to the battle.

Speaker 4 It doesn't appear like anyone here has

Speaker 4 an answer, so we've just thrown it out to the audience.

Speaker 6 I don't think you gave anyone a chance, to be honest.

Speaker 4 You kind of said poll, and then you just.

Speaker 2 All right, go ahead. All right, let's see.
Anybody have an answer? All right, let's see.

Speaker 6 Pope, do you got an answer?

Speaker 3 Don't worry about it, my child.

Speaker 6 Okay, I like that answer. My fellow Catholics over here in the back row, you guys got an answer?

Speaker 2 A Catholic conspiracy? Count me out on that.

Speaker 8 I'm Christian, but yes, I do believe that there is a little bit of kickback back to the Vatican.

Speaker 16 Like it's tied in.

Speaker 6 Dan, you haven't weighed in yet?

Speaker 4 Because I don't think it's a good question. I thought it was a question that shouldn't have gone gone answered.
I didn't think that anyone had anything. It appears I was right.

Speaker 6 Well, I guess we could just go back to arguing about the rankings for things that don't matter for another month.

Speaker 2 They matter, though. Like, this is what I hate about this is it does matter.
It does matter.

Speaker 2 Like, if this is all just setting the table for Miami to handle its business in November, something that they struggle to do, something that I am concerned about them doing because history is my guide.

Speaker 2 But if we're just setting this up for Miami TC being the next two weeks, looking the way that they've looked since they fixed their offense, offense, then you're just going to pull the rug out from Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 And that ain't necessarily fair either.

Speaker 8 I think we're looking at this in a weird spot because we used to have a system that would take out the human element.

Speaker 2 Now, talk about it. Okay, now.
I would take it into account. Like my boy Cook.
The polls were a huge part of the criteria. Agree, but what did we take out?

Speaker 8 What did we take out?

Speaker 8 Computers. The computers.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 8 AI is in such a good place now. We are so above and so beyond anything that we could even imagine.

Speaker 1 We need a robot to be part of the committee.

Speaker 8 All of a sudden, AI, you put ChatGPT, you put Grok, you put

Speaker 2 whoever, whoever you want, Gemini. It doesn't matter who it is.
Who's Gemini? You'll find out about that. I don't know that.
I thought you see everything. It's an American gladiator.

Speaker 6 I'm going to tell you something. Grok will have FYU in the rankings.

Speaker 2 Tony's cooking right now.

Speaker 8 Well, I think that we should go back to the computers, put everything in, and see what that makes.

Speaker 2 You know why we got away from the computers? Because everybody was upset because the computers didn't care care about head-to-head matchups. And here we are

Speaker 2 20 years later, and the committee that was supposed to be a guardrail against bypassing head-to-head is once again bypassing head-to-head. You can look up what the BCS rankings would be.

Speaker 2 Miami would still be behind Notre Dame, but everybody would be upset about this.

Speaker 8 You write it into the algorithm that it spits back. You, hey, consider head-to-head as an important thing.

Speaker 6 The algorithms are smarter now.

Speaker 2 As a follow-up, Hank, did you consider head-to-head?

Speaker 6 And then I give you a new answer. Back then, it was just like, oh,

Speaker 6 put in calculations.

Speaker 2 It's like, beep, boop, boop, beep, beep, beep, beep.

Speaker 6 According to my calculation. Now, it's like having a conversation.

Speaker 2 That's

Speaker 6 exactly right. Hey, Mike.
Well, here's the deal. That's how it would answer.
You would be like, hey, Mike, so here's the deal.

Speaker 6 You know, Miami, I know they beat Notre Dame, and that should count as a lot, but that happened at the beginning of the year. Things have happened since then.

Speaker 6 Plus, you guys have some pretty bad losses.

Speaker 7 They're not bad. I will tell you

Speaker 4 that I believe that even though this is the local hour and even though the subject matter is interesting to me, I will tell you that I believe that the audience has a glaze over effect on the last 20 years of all the arguing that we've done in November that doesn't matter by the end of the season when they've played all the games.

Speaker 4 And it's just something we do to entertain ourselves during the week, during a content week, where you need stuff to feed on. I know that Amin is shocked.

Speaker 4 by the fact that AI is now capable of blackmail, and so I want to get to that in a second.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 4 the last few weeks, John Oliver has had some funny video that he has played on last week tonight. One of them was a shocking beauty pageant where the talent of the beauty contestant was death metal.

Speaker 4 And it was just really funny to watch a beauty pageant contestant do death metal.

Speaker 8 What does that mean? Like what you're saying? I know what you're saying. I don't understand what you're saying.

Speaker 4 I'm saying that there was a talent portion of a beauty contest. contest and the woman during the talent portion was just doing death metal where she was like

Speaker 2 she was singing.

Speaker 4 Not really singing, more like

Speaker 4 growling.

Speaker 3 You have a good death metal voice. I didn't know that.

Speaker 6 How about that? Put that on the poll. Did you know Dan Levittard had a good death metal voice?

Speaker 4 But the other video that he showed, and I'm going to just show you this if you have not seen it. When you say the robots, we need another robot in charge of the committee.
I believe we have one.

Speaker 4 And I believe this is the robot that we have. And the rest of his helpers are the committee where they tried to hide this while

Speaker 4 they were trying to bring out a robot.

Speaker 2 I'm not seeing anything here.

Speaker 4 A robot just fell down while trying to walk, and then they tried to bring out a curtain, and the curtain just sort of fell apart here.

Speaker 1 They twisted up the curtain.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the curtain.

Speaker 4 They were trying to hide the drunk robot.

Speaker 6 And they're like, no, put the curtain this way. Robot walks like Joe Biden.

Speaker 2 Now, keep in mind, throughout this entire thing, they were playing the theme song The Rockies. Is that Joe Biden?

Speaker 5 That could be Joe Biden.

Speaker 4 So this was during Eye of the Tiger, the robot.

Speaker 2 Come on, man. No, don't fly now.

Speaker 2 Who's there? Just want a robot. Just put a little oil in me.
I'm a robot. You know, I'm like the tin man.
You talk about

Speaker 2 popsicles.

Speaker 2 Tonight,

Speaker 4 the Golden State Warriors are in town. I want to get to some Steve Kerr's sound.

Speaker 4 Yesterday, Juju played the world's smallest violin for Steve Kerr, complaining that this is the worst road trip he's ever had in his life, that the worst travel schedule that he's ever had in his life.

Speaker 4 Despite all the load management players are continually getting injured golden state uh lost at orlando yesterday orlando's undermanned and ends up beating golden state anyhow and so steve kerr comes into town tonight with jimmy butler are we expecting jimmy butler to play we've done

Speaker 4 that's funny no you know i never expect a star to play in that league so how many free throws did jimmy butler have last night because he played one of those games where he went for 30 points because he got a million free throws.

Speaker 6 Small correction. He didn't go for 30 points.

Speaker 2 Pernce.

Speaker 6 He went for 30 perceived. I got to get that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you do have to get that.

Speaker 4 That's something that you've got to get.

Speaker 8 13 to 15 from the line.

Speaker 4 So he played one of those games.

Speaker 4 You guys are expecting him to play tonight? No.

Speaker 3 No. There's no way he's playing.
Steve Kerr's been setting this up for a couple days now.

Speaker 3 And Curry, by the way, is definitely not playing. Like Curry after the game, I said, oh, I'm a little bit sore.

Speaker 1 I'll have to see how I feel.

Speaker 3 Jimmy said something similar too. Curry is definitely not playing, but Steve Kerr has been setting this up for a couple days that Butler and probably Draymond is not going to play either.

Speaker 3 And it's annoying too, because the heater on the second half of a home and home.

Speaker 6 This is something that I've been saying for quite a while, Dan. The whole like rest rules thing, it's kind of stupid because it all rests upon like your ability to lie effectively.

Speaker 6 So basically, if you just start to lie a little earlier, by the time you're about to sit the guy, which you already knew, they already have on their schedule, they know which games these are this is a sick game, this is a sick game, whatever.

Speaker 6 By the time you get down to games, like, no, I've already been establishing for the last week. He's been feeling under the weather.
What? Is the league going to fly doctors in?

Speaker 6 Like, open your mouth, stick out your tongue, go ah, like, they're not going to do all that. They're just going to have to take your word for it.

Speaker 4 What did you make of the Cavs being fined $100,000 for that aforementioned home and home in Miami? That they sat all their starters for the second game.

Speaker 4 They played their starters in the first game and lost it. Then they sat all their starters in the second game and won it, but

Speaker 4 they were fined $100,000 for allowing Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley to just go home.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so

Speaker 6 it was the front end of a back-to-back because they did play versus Toronto at home the very next day.

Speaker 2 But the second half of a home and home.

Speaker 2 It's not a home and home. Not right now.

Speaker 2 Let's not confuse people. Sorry, my child.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Dan, they were fine because didn't do what Steve Kerr did, which is establish an alibi really nice and early. What they did is say, oh yeah, he's fine.

Speaker 6 And even if they had established an alibi, like he's not feeling so well, the league would have turned on TV, like, what the hell is he doing at Louisville, Kentucky?

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Speaker 10 All these high-paid analysts, I don't want to mention names, TNT,

Speaker 10 ESPN, you know, oh, yeah,

Speaker 10 they are dead. They cannot,

Speaker 10 they are not going to make it. You know, even if they win in,

Speaker 10 if they lose in Miami,

Speaker 10 if they lose in Miami, they don't get a chance in Boston. Oh, they are going to have their ass, you know what, in Boston, you know.

Speaker 2 Stugats.

Speaker 10 They were wrong. They were.
Are they going to lose their job? No. Are they going to get a cutting paint? No.
What are they going to do? Keep predicting what is the obvious.

Speaker 10 They're going to say, oh, the Nogats are going to win. Oh, Denver, the altitude.
And you know what? The Heat are going to win it all.

Speaker 9 This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

Speaker 4 Let's play the Steve Kerr sound, talking about injury.

Speaker 4 Steve Kerr is always a good talker, and he, I wonder how you guys feel about all that he's going to say here.

Speaker 17 I'm very concerned.

Speaker 17 You know,

Speaker 17 it's dramatic. The pace difference is dramatic.
This team tonight has really upped their pace compared to last year.

Speaker 17 I think across the league, everybody understands now that it's just easier to score if you can beat the opponent. down the floor, get out and transition.

Speaker 17 But when everybody's doing that, the games are much higher paced, faster paced, and then everyone has to cover out to 25 feet because everybody can shoot threes. So we have all the data.

Speaker 17 Players are running faster and further than ever before.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 17 so we're trying to do the best we can to protect them. But basically have a game every other night and it's not an easy thing to do.

Speaker 4 I hadn't actually considered the idea of pace being harder for old people. Like it's not something that I had thought of that, yeah, Orlando plays fast.
Miami obviously plays fast.

Speaker 4 So they're not likely to play back-to-back nights where they have to run at that speed, given the way the game is played today. It's not something I'd considered.

Speaker 6 Dan, first of all, what a company man Steve Kerr is wearing the Golden State Valkyrie shirt to the post-game press conference. Shout out to him.
But also...

Speaker 6 He's right, and this is the part where I think it's really lost on people. People like to compare, oh, it's so much faster than it was in the early 2000s and the 90s.

Speaker 6 Did you know, Dan, that 10 years ago, 2016, which feels close, right? 73-win Warriors, LeBron 3-1 lead, all that stuff, right?

Speaker 6 It feels very recent. 10 years ago, there was one team in the entire NBA that played at a pace of 100 possessions per game.
Today, two-thirds of the league. play at a pace of 100 possessions per game.

Speaker 4 Let me ask you, as our basketball insider who once sat in an NBA office,

Speaker 4 your thoughts on the, yes, obviously, without question, there's more pace in today's game.

Speaker 2 We can't say it's more physical, though, can we?

Speaker 6 Well, Dan, think about the injuries that's happening. It's not like, oh, I got hit and then like my chest caved in or whatever.
It's soft tissue injuries, groin injuries, hamstrings, right?

Speaker 6 Calf strings.

Speaker 2 Ankles. Ankles, right?

Speaker 6 These are all pretty much non-contact type injuries. So you can't talk about physicality.
What we're talking about is wear and tear.

Speaker 6 And when you look around, and again, Giannis is out for a couple of weeks now. We know Jaws out.
We know AD is still out. We know

Speaker 6 Kobe White is out, like all around the league.

Speaker 2 Dylan Harper, Victor Wembanyama, bam, Tyler Hitch, all these guys are not hurt because, oh, it was too physical.

Speaker 6 It's because of soft tissue injuries. And this is due to wear and tear.

Speaker 6 And the wear and tear doesn't come from, oh, he played too many minutes last night, but it's an accumulation, right, of these guys playing lots and lots of games as youths, right?

Speaker 6 And then the other thing, and this is big, they didn't have diversification, right? So years and years ago, I watched this documentary called In Search of Greatness.

Speaker 6 They interviewed Jerry Rice and they interviewed Wayne Gretzky and all these greatest of the great athletes, right?

Speaker 6 And one of the common threads they found in all of them was they all were multi-sport athletes as youths.

Speaker 6 Wayne Gretzky talks about like, hey, as soon as hockey season was over, I throw my gear in the basement. I wouldn't look at it again until it started getting cold again.
I picked up my baseball, man.

Speaker 6 I wanted to be a major league player. That was his dream.
Hockey was his second dream, right? And so you think about a lot of the great players through history. Kobe Bryant was an avid soccer player.

Speaker 6 Tracy McGrady was a baseball player. All these guys played multiple sports.
Michael Jordan, obviously. Now,

Speaker 6 all these kids are like, you're just playing basketball every day, all day with a trainer, with AU, with your school team, whatever.

Speaker 6 And so what happens is you're getting wear and tear on the same muscles in the same way.

Speaker 2 over and over and over and over.

Speaker 6 By the time you get to this level, the pace and the, you know, all of it adds up.

Speaker 4 They've got an injury problem. The NBA has an injury problem.

Speaker 8 How do you fix that? I mean, because you're talking about, you can't tell kids now, hey, don't play basketball if you're going to try and be a basketball player, right?

Speaker 12 Like,

Speaker 8 it's the same thing overseas in Europe, where you have these academies where kids are little kids. Hey, this kid can kind of kick around on soccer ball.
Perfect. Let's put him in the academy.

Speaker 8 And he lives 17 years in this academy until he makes his debut.

Speaker 8 How do you figure the NBA tells people of

Speaker 8 families of kids, hey, don't let him play basketball?

Speaker 5 You start an NBA men's softball league. Who are you taking first overall? LeBron's got to be a high pick.

Speaker 2 I'll take LeBron high.

Speaker 6 Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 4 NBA.

Speaker 5 Anthony Edwards would be strong.

Speaker 4 An NBA men's softball team.

Speaker 2 What do you mean, transition? That's exactly what we're talking about.

Speaker 5 He's like talking about NBA guys playing other sports.

Speaker 2 Lembunyama would be sick first baseman.

Speaker 5 Thursday night men's softball league.

Speaker 3 First baseman, though.

Speaker 8 Too big of a strike zone, yeah. Too big.

Speaker 4 He would help you, though. Anything that is a ground ball to the infield anywhere in the infield, he just stretches and you can just flip him the ball.
The third baseman can be freaking out.

Speaker 2 Can you picture that visually? But he can't field, right?

Speaker 8 There's no way he can field. If If there's a

Speaker 2 base, you don't need to really feel. No one touches the ball.
A ground ball hit it towards him. He can't catch that.
He doesn't split.

Speaker 2 You don't think he looks athletic enough, do you?

Speaker 2 He's a little too tall.

Speaker 4 Let's get a stat-of-the-day music here.

Speaker 2 I saw Nick Johnson play first base.

Speaker 2 The hell are you talking about? The Dollar splits. Matt Stairs in interleague play would go to first base.
John Cruck played first base at a high level.

Speaker 2 What the hell are you talking about? He's two feet taller than all of these.

Speaker 2 This guy

Speaker 2 over his head. Sid Bream played first base and land in a split.

Speaker 13 He's literally like the craziest athlete I've ever seen. What the hell are you talking about?

Speaker 3 You know about Ken Herbeck?

Speaker 2 I don't know, fool.

Speaker 12 Start of the day, start of the day.

Speaker 15 It is yes, start of the day.

Speaker 12 Start of the day, start of the day.

Speaker 15 It is yes, start of the day.

Speaker 12 Start of the day, start of the day.

Speaker 15 It is here, start of the day.

Speaker 12 Start of the day, start of the day.

Speaker 15 It is here, start of the day.

Speaker 8 Guys, obviously, we know Steph Curry is incredible, the best shooter of all time.

Speaker 2 He has 47

Speaker 8 nine-plus three-point games made. 47 of them.

Speaker 2 The next closest is Damian Lillard with 14.

Speaker 8 So he has 47 games where he's made nine threes or more.

Speaker 2 He almost had one last night where he had seven.

Speaker 6 Dan, 25, 30 years ago, Brian Shaw had 10 threes in a game.

Speaker 2 I remember. Lost their mind.

Speaker 3 10 for 15.

Speaker 4 Everyone lost their minds.

Speaker 2 That was going crazy.

Speaker 13 He made how many threes?

Speaker 2 No, that could never be broken.

Speaker 3 He made his first six that night. It was crazy.

Speaker 2 It was at the Bucs.

Speaker 4 Terry Rozier also shot 10 threes. Also, this man, Steve Balboni, was a first baseman, just so you know.
No way.

Speaker 2 Yes, that's coach.

Speaker 4 A power-hitting first baseman.

Speaker 2 Tony, late stage Pablo Sandoval played first base.

Speaker 3 You see Miguel Cabreri couldn't even move.

Speaker 4 He's playing first base.

Speaker 2 You guys don't get it.

Speaker 4 Just put up Steve Balboni again there, just so that you know, like Costanza and Seinfeld, this is Steve Balboni at 24 years old. Just so that you know, this is his athletic prime.

Speaker 4 This was him as a rookie.

Speaker 2 Steve.

Speaker 2 You had my Steve Martin in the Paul of the Bride? You're supposed to be 39 years old. Give me a break.

Speaker 4 I thought the best example we could come up there was George Costanza being a young single man in New York when he was clearly looking like a 70-year-old.

Speaker 4 Get me the other Steve Kerr sound that we also have because so you guys are not expecting Golden State. I think the last time Golden State came to town, I think Steph Curry also didn't play.

Speaker 4 I think he sat out that game as well. You do not expect Jimmy Butler to play tonight.
You think the Golden State Warriors are just going to dump tonight's game.

Speaker 3 I got no Curry, no Butler, no Draymond.

Speaker 2 I got all three of them out.

Speaker 4 All right, let's hear Steve Kerr here before tonight's game because I'm assuming that Jimmy Butler will be booed tonight.

Speaker 4 They're going to just boo in general, but you're telling me they're not going to get the opportunity to boo because he's not going to be introduced and he's just going to be sitting in street clothes on the sidelines.

Speaker 4 So he would get booed, but he's going to avoid it because they're never going to show him in a way that introduces him.

Speaker 4 Let's hear from Steve Kerr here.

Speaker 17 You know, everyone, all the constituents would have to agree to take less revenue. And

Speaker 17 2025 in America, good luck in any industry to agree. You know, imagine some big company saying, you know what,

Speaker 17 we're not as concerned about our stock price. We're actually concerned with employing people and giving people a stable job and making our product better.

Speaker 17 Come on, Nick, that's not happening.

Speaker 4 We know that. I set that question up or set that answer up poorly because the question was about shortening the season.

Speaker 4 And he's like, no, we're not going to shorten the season because it would require everyone to collectively bargain differently what's already been collectively bargained.

Speaker 3 I mean, Dan, Jimmy played 38 minutes last night, which we all know is torture for an NBA player.

Speaker 3 There's no way he plays tonight.

Speaker 6 I think, give Steve Kirk credit, most of the time people say, you need to shorten the season. And

Speaker 6 they never add along the other caveat of if you do that, everyone's going to get less money. So at least he's acknowledging it, even though it ain't going to happen.

Speaker 4 Mike Ryan is taunting me, laughing right now. He's saying, this is what just happened.
I'm trying to listen to both of you, and he's like, Dan, GetUp is doing a better show than you right now.

Speaker 2 GetUp is so much better than you are.

Speaker 4 GetUp is so much better than you right now. What a game.

Speaker 6 I'm looking at it right now, Dan. It is a game.

Speaker 4 What is GetUp doing that is better than what it is that I'm doing?

Speaker 5 With Jeff Saturday, Mike, what are they playing?

Speaker 2 Definitely or definitely not. Ooh.

Speaker 2 I'm good at that game. We don't have a Jeff.

Speaker 6 You guys out here with El Nah and El English.

Speaker 2 How do we turn that into a Dan game then? We need a Jeff.

Speaker 6 We need a Jeff.

Speaker 2 You know what?

Speaker 4 They are doing a better show.

Speaker 1 Danfinitely or Danfinitely not?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 4 definitely or definitely not.

Speaker 2 What a flex that would be if he just does that casually. We got to get a Jeff.
Hey, Jeff, are you going to be there? Definitely.

Speaker 5 We got to get a Jeff on.

Speaker 2 I need to play this game.

Speaker 6 No, we need our own version.

Speaker 5 Let's play this with Jessica.

Speaker 2 They have the golden arches. No, definitely.

Speaker 4 Definitely or definitely not.

Speaker 6 They have the golden arches. We have the golden arcs.

Speaker 3 When I say he's got his own money, I mean he's got his own money.

Speaker 6 We both have two all-beat patties, special sauce, let us cheese, lettuce, onions, pickles, on a bun. What's the difference? Theirs have sesame seeds.
Ours have no seeds.

Speaker 4 I want to get to being Eddie, the Netflix documentary, because I do wonder if young people will place him in the pantheon with the Richard Pryors and the George Carlins because young people have only known Eddie Murphy as somebody who does family stuff or does Shrek or does stuff for kids.

Speaker 2 I don't think the young people know who Richard Pryor and George Carlin are.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think that's the thing, though. The young people is like probably,

Speaker 2 do they put Dave Chappelle in Eddie Murphy's class?

Speaker 4 Oh, no, but I would say that in terms of historical resonance, I believe that, and now maybe I've had this wrong because of a general ignorance about history, but I thought that when you go, I don't know, I never saw Lenny Bruce.

Speaker 4 But I knew who he was because I liked comedy and because he did groundbreaking things and because all

Speaker 4 comedians after him ended up citing him as one of the models. So I, look, none of you saw Babe Ruth play, but you all know who Babe Ruth is.

Speaker 2 The Dominican guy.

Speaker 6 You know, Black.

Speaker 6 If you could see that on my threads, add Darth Amin.

Speaker 6 I actually add the exclusive. No, it's true.
I'm just plugging it.

Speaker 2 How did you get that?

Speaker 6 I had, man, look, I asked. Nobody asked, apparently.
So here's the deal, Dan.

Speaker 6 Think about someone who's 20 years old. Ask them who's better, LeBron or Jordan.
Most of the 20-year-olds are saying LeBron, right? Now ask someone who's 40 years old, who's better, LeBron or Jordan.

Speaker 6 They'll say, oh, it's definitely Jordan. But then ask them, who's better, Jordan or Magic? And there's like, come on, it's Jordan.

Speaker 2 It's definitely Jordan. Now go back a little older.

Speaker 6 Get a 60-year-old. Ask him, who's better, Magic or Jordan.
They'll probably say Magic. Or they might say, actually, young man, it's Kareem.

Speaker 6 And then someone older than that, say, wait a second, what about Bill Russell?

Speaker 6 The way it works is the younger you are, the less you care about things that happened when you weren't alive. You're like, oh, I was growing up.
I heard about Lenny Bruce. I know about Lenny Bruce.

Speaker 6 Kids nowadays don't know shit about anything that happened before they were alive. These are people who have never watched The Godfather.

Speaker 2 What? It was before I was born. Me too, motherfucker.

Speaker 6 I still watched it. I still watched it because I understood it was great.

Speaker 6 But the attitude of children nowadays is: I don't need to know anything about it.

Speaker 4 That is unbelievable what you did, but he threw in a mother bleeper to make him sound edgier.

Speaker 16 Folks, the leaves are turning.

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That means football time should be Miller time.

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And here's the kicker.

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