The Big Suey: Zaslow Wins Sucka of the Day

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Speaker 2 Why are you listening to this show?

Speaker 11 It's a podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebetard podcast.

Speaker 12 I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.

Speaker 11 In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging.

Speaker 9 I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there.

Speaker 2 That hasn't happened to you guys.

Speaker 5 I've done it.

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Speaker 2 I have in front of me a top 10 list

Speaker 2 from Apple, which has identified the 10 best podcast episodes of 2025.

Speaker 2 As you know, there are way, way too many podcasts in the universe. Most of them are wildly unsuccessful.

Speaker 1 If you don't have a podcast, you're a loser.

Speaker 2 But most of them are wildly unsuccessful as

Speaker 2 businesses. And

Speaker 2 there are just too many people talking. It's a very cheap form of entertainment.
And it's also somehow the future filled with intimacy because so much programming is expensive.

Speaker 2 Television is far cheaper if you just make your television a podcast.

Speaker 2 It's been rather shocking in my lifetime to see ESPN2, which used to be a network that was trying to be the edgier form of ESPN and poured a ton of money into programming, just say, nope, let's just pare this down and make it maximum efficient.

Speaker 2 The podcast business is our business. It's good for us.

Speaker 2 We are very grateful that our listeners are the kind of loyal that they are, and they've allowed us to birth one of the very few successful podcast businesses that has emerged in the last few years, which is Pablo Torrey finds out, which now finds itself in the top 10 from Apple on top 10 episodes of the year.

Speaker 2 I think there are two in here that are cheating, okay? The, you know, New Heights, getting Taylor Swift to sit down. It's not just sports.
It's all podcasts.

Speaker 2 It's all forms of intimate talking in podcast form. What are the 10 best episodes of 2025?

Speaker 2 One of them is cheating when you get Taylor Swift on New Heights because she's engaged to one of the hosts and Lady Gaga was on another one.

Speaker 2 But Pablo Torrey's episode with the mean about Kawhi Leonard and the Aspiration Clippers scandal is one of the top 10 episodes according to Apple.

Speaker 1 How'd the Pete Carroll episode do?

Speaker 9 Hey, we're not going to downplay or down-talk my good friends, the Kelse brothers.

Speaker 9 They put out a quality product.

Speaker 13 Okay,

Speaker 9 and I, for one, am all right with them being ranked ahead of us because it's only two spots ahead.

Speaker 2 Well, wait a minute.

Speaker 17 I don't think this is ranked in order, is it?

Speaker 2 I think it's just 10 of them. Otherwise, the Lady Gaga episode is being.

Speaker 2 These aren't numbered. It's just the top 10 episodes.

Speaker 19 Okay.

Speaker 9 Well, in that case, I'm glad that my good friends, the Kelse brothers.

Speaker 14 Yo, that's not going to cash on, so stop saying it like that.

Speaker 19 That's their name. That's their name.

Speaker 9 I'm sorry. I like to pronounce people's names correctly.

Speaker 20 You're sorry?

Speaker 2 You're sorry? I'm sorry. I'm Canadian.

Speaker 2 You say you like to pronounce their names correctly, but I believe you sided with everyone else when I said FSU's quarterback is named Castellanos. I don't care how he pronounced it.
Agreed.

Speaker 2 Well, his name is Castellanos.

Speaker 9 Dan, I'm with you on this. Whenever it's a name that's pronounced incorrectly because they don't understand the origin of their own name, I'm with you.

Speaker 9 I'm going to pronounce it right like Kristen Pulisic with a ch, not a k.

Speaker 9 Castellanos, who else?

Speaker 21 Who else? Tom Thibodeau, not Thibodeau.

Speaker 7 Greg Cotay.

Speaker 9 Cote.

Speaker 9 We'll call you that from now on.

Speaker 2 Congratulations, though, Amin. You were on this episode.

Speaker 15 It wasn't just the story, for those of you who don't know, it was

Speaker 15 good job of me.

Speaker 6 Yes, it is. You obviously top of the house.

Speaker 16 Good work out of you.

Speaker 9 Thank God, guys. Come on, come on.

Speaker 18 Got a lot of applause.

Speaker 6 I'm not pointing at the Pope like that.

Speaker 13 Too much?

Speaker 2 Too much applause?

Speaker 21 You know, I'm a modest guy.

Speaker 2 The episode that you guys did is not just because of the allegations in it that, you know, is a huge sports story.

Speaker 2 It was also the way the story was told because uh pablo uh ever inventive decided to surprise both david and amin with the information and and didn't get to it i don't think until like 30 minutes into the episode right the news-breaking portions of that episode i think were after the 30-minute mark if i'm not mistaken and you guys were just sitting there uh both of you were just sitting there waiting for the surprise and then were genuinely surprised.

Speaker 2 So congratulations to Amin on that.

Speaker 2 I wanted to go back to the conversation we were just having.

Speaker 19 No speech? Okay. I mean, dang.

Speaker 1 Why are you wearing a Rashad McCann shirt? Yeah.

Speaker 9 It's Rayshanteri.

Speaker 2 You can give a speech. I thought you just said the while we were applauding, stop, guys, stop.
I'm a modest person.

Speaker 23 Yeah, but that means I keep going.

Speaker 15 I know, but

Speaker 2 keep going. I want to make a speech when I wasn't expecting.

Speaker 5 Of course. All right, so go ahead.

Speaker 15 It's like, yeah, I wasn't expecting this.

Speaker 6 Let me take this out real quick.

Speaker 1 If history has taught you anything, it's that you should follow this thread with Amin and have no regret.

Speaker 9 First of all, I'd like to thank Pablo Torre and the entire team for selecting me.

Speaker 9 I know they could have had any NBA expert who worked in front offices for about 10 years and has a long history of being really great on media.

Speaker 9 I'm sure there are plenty of those to pick from, but no, they picked me.

Speaker 9 Also, I'd like to give a shout out to David Sampson, without whom I would have known that we got nominated for this.

Speaker 9 His tweet basically is what tipped me off to begin with. That's why I didn't have the list.
I just saw his tweet. Also, I'd like to thank Dan Lebetard

Speaker 9 for being so gracious, so gracious and so kind with his time and his money to allow this podcast to exist right here at Metaloch Media. Dan, we couldn't do it without you.

Speaker 10 What?

Speaker 20 Minor penalty, two minutes, murdering the show with their bare hands and a dismemberment kit in cold blood.

Speaker 1 Really thought it was going to work that time.

Speaker 2 The best acceptance speech that has ever been made on this show was Denzel Washington talking about his,

Speaker 2 what should have been his acceptance speech for the great movie Virtuosity.

Speaker 16 Let me do my acceptance speech of virtuosity. Okay.

Speaker 24 Okay, ladies and gentlemen of the Academy, you know, I want to thank you when you were so kind. And, oh, no, I'm not humble enough.

Speaker 25 Let me start again.

Speaker 24 No, I got to get the tears going. Wait a minute.

Speaker 25 Ladies and gentlemen of the Academy,

Speaker 25 I'm just so humble that you recognize my great action abilities and virtuosity.

Speaker 16 I want to thank the director, even though I forgot his name.

Speaker 2 Is he 70 yet? Is Denzil

Speaker 2 70 years old?

Speaker 2 Who is the oldest action star we've got going now?

Speaker 1 Liam Neeson, probably.

Speaker 2 So he's over 70. I think he's aged out.

Speaker 1 You saw his gait?

Speaker 6 Naked gun.

Speaker 1 That gape. Greaky.

Speaker 1 Posture.

Speaker 15 I think he's aged out about action.

Speaker 2 Put it on the poll at Lebatard show.

Speaker 2 Is creaking

Speaker 2 Liam Neeson, has he aged out as an action star in his 70s?

Speaker 14 Denzel was 71.

Speaker 23 Was he creakier than when my man Robert De Niro went to do the kick in the Irishman? Because that was creaky, too.

Speaker 14 Liam Neeson's 73.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's a little old now.

Speaker 2 Well, speaking of old, getting back to the conversation that we were having before,

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 I was under the impression,

Speaker 2 whether you're talking about hip-hop being 50 years old or stand-up comedy being something close to 100 years old, maybe it's older than that.

Speaker 2 I suppose court gestures and all that stuff would make it something that's older than that. But I thought that with art forms in entertainment that

Speaker 2 moved people or made them laugh, got up in their emotions, I thought that history was respected, even if young people are generally ignorant about history.

Speaker 2 And I thought that if I said to young people, hey, Eddie Murphy, on the Mount Rushmore of comedians, would you put him there?

Speaker 2 Like, I would assume assume that you'd respect history in putting together whatever it is your Mount Rushmore is.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm so if you're if you're here saying to me that being Eddie doesn't mean anything to you, the documentary that Eddie Murphy doesn't mean anything to you, then you're also somebody, if we're talking about people who are over 50, who's also not going to have any respect for, hey, you realize that Jamie Foxx is one of the multifaceted, most multifaceted entertainers there's ever been as a talent.

Speaker 2 Or no,

Speaker 2 you're too young for that because

Speaker 2 Gold Digger was a long time ago. And like,

Speaker 2 what is the cutoff on somebody being so legendary and historic, Babe Ruth,

Speaker 2 Barry Bonds, where it overwhelms, it overwhelms, the talent overwhelms even the ignorance of young people.

Speaker 2 And you have to say, no, I respect that talent because you guys are being dismissive of something and someone that I think obviously is one of the greats of all time and more talented talented than almost all of the comedians who have ever done it.

Speaker 2 Not necessarily as a comedian, though that too, but just in terms of general talent, the acting ability,

Speaker 2 the being able to have a hit song, the range on that needs to be, I feel like kids need to respect something like that, even if you don't respect history.

Speaker 9 Dan, the reason why, if you watch the documentary, they have a Dave Chappelle of Jamie Foxx, and these guys, Kevin Hart talking about Eddie in that way is because it's trying to bridge the gap.

Speaker 9 It's trying to illustrate illustrate to a younger audience who might look at those are the biggest comedians of the day, even if they don't think that those are their favorites.

Speaker 9 They recognize, oh, Dave Chappelle, big-time comedian, Jamie Foxx, big time comedian, Kevin Hart, and all those guys are telling you.

Speaker 26 He's the man.

Speaker 9 He's the man, right?

Speaker 9 And what I thought was really curious is that Chappelle kind of, in his own way, identified his generation, which I guess I'm, I think, on the tail end of that, when he says, I know a lot of people, we respect Richard.

Speaker 9 Richard's great, but like, Eddie was the the guy for me and for me I know in terms of you know stand-up comedy the first guy that really grabbed me even though my father had Richard Pryor albums around it was Eddie Murphy for me.

Speaker 9 I was always Eddie Murphy, but I think that's an age thing but the reason why is because they you know in the words of Jay-Z repeat your name so a world with amnesia won't forget your name, right?

Speaker 9 That's the reason why they do that. But the reality is for a 25-year-old, most of them haven't even heard of Raw or Delirious.

Speaker 1 I think the thing is for medium, Medium, right?

Speaker 23 Like Amin just said it, like there was Richard Pryor albums that you would put in because you didn't have any access to. There weren't specials on TV.

Speaker 23 There weren't the internet where you could just go in and Google Richard Pryor sets, right? Like that thing has not been passed down.

Speaker 23 So nobody's telling younger kids, hey, go check out Richard Pryor on YouTube.

Speaker 2 Oh, but what I'm saying about the resume, when Amin says 25-year-olds on Eddie Murphy's resume before he's 25 is Rescued Saturday Night Live, it would not be on today if not for a Eddie Murphy who was younger than 25 when he was on it.

Speaker 2 And that's not one of the top five things on his resume.

Speaker 9 Dan, he is the LeBron James of comedy. Like when you talk about someone that young walking in and being incredible, right? Being just incredible out the gate.

Speaker 9 When you talk about not being 25, I believe he was 19 years old. He was 19 years old when he went on SNL.

Speaker 9 I think he was like 21 when he did Trading Places, which I learned for the first time watching that documentary was originally going to be a Gene Wilder Richard Pryor movie.

Speaker 9 And I'll be honest, I kind of want to watch that movie. I want to watch the two of them do it because I think, you know, they did the great buddy movies.
It would have been real funny.

Speaker 9 The problem is that Richard Pryor burned himself freebasing cocaine. So couldn't do the movie.

Speaker 2 Well, I've seen a couple of interesting reveals in documentary form that way. Charlie Sheen was supposed to be the karate kid.
He was supposed to be Ralph Macchio and was not.

Speaker 2 That also is a very good documentary. Both of them I've enjoyed.

Speaker 9 Martin Lawrence was supposed to be in Rush Hour, but they chose Chris Tucker because he was cheaper.

Speaker 7 Good choice.

Speaker 1 Look up who was supposed to be in Bad Boys originally.

Speaker 21 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 15 It was like Don Lovitz, right?

Speaker 13 What? What?

Speaker 2 John Lovitz, yes. Put it on the poll at Lebitard show.
I want to see that movie.

Speaker 2 Did you know that John Lovozzitz?

Speaker 26 Mike Lowry.

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Speaker 2 So, Lane Kiffin appeared on Pat McAfee yesterday, and it created a great deal of outrage. That Lane Kiffin,

Speaker 2 mercenary, does things differently. I feel like we all know that Lane Kiffin was using Mississippi as a stepping stone.

Speaker 2 If you didn't know it, perhaps you did when he came on with us and he said, Yeah, love this brown lake we've got near campus. Like, it's clearly not a place that he wants to be for a long time.

Speaker 2 I didn't have any illusion that anyone thought he was supposed to be loyal to that place, but.

Speaker 2 People are bothered that he went on McAfee and talked about self-help books and talked about yoga and denied what is being reported as an ultimatum.

Speaker 2 Hey, Lane, tell us whether you're staying or going because we don't want to have our entire program thrown up in the air by your indecision. But what is Lane's responsibility in the modern age?

Speaker 2 I do understand that we're applying old standards, rah-rah standards to, hey, coach, be the educator. But come on, we know what this is, don't we?

Speaker 2 Like, we know that this is a person you rent to give you offense. Like that's, you know, Mississippi has no claim to loyalty on Lane Kiffen.

Speaker 2 Mississippi is a stepping stone for every coach that exists that's coming through Mississippi. Nobody's stopping in Mississippi as the destination or dreaming of being Mississippi's coach

Speaker 2 until they finish their career. So what is the nature of the outrage? What's happening here that people are getting upset?

Speaker 2 I understand why Mississippi would get upset, but that people are getting upset with Lane Kiffen for being such a mercenary about this.

Speaker 14 I think the only reason that you're getting upset is because

Speaker 14 they have a legitimate shot to win the national championship. And is there a scenario where he won't even coach them in the playoffs? And who knows if Olemis ever has this scenario again?

Speaker 14 So I think that's the only place that an Olemis fan would be upset right now.

Speaker 1 Happen to know?

Speaker 27 Oh my God, he knows.

Speaker 18 He happens to know.

Speaker 27 Come, everyone, come and listen.

Speaker 2 He happens to know.

Speaker 30 Well informed.

Speaker 1 There are plenty of people out there that are way more plugged in on this. If you've been following this story, Florida people feel like this is a stone-cold lead pipe.

Speaker 14 I think he's the next Florida coach.

Speaker 2 I happen to know there are meetings happening this week uh between the the parties there he happen to know again hold on a second we got to do this correctly he happens to know great scott he happens to know he happens to know

Speaker 30 gather everyone get the children he happens to know

Speaker 21 so wise

Speaker 1 i'm interested to see how this plays out We haven't exactly had this situation present itself before. And if he takes that job,

Speaker 1 does he have a working arrangement that it doesn't affect Ole Miss at all? and he continues finishing that job? How dedicated will they be?

Speaker 1 Let's say Ole Miss, it would be totally understandable inside the SEC, Mississippi State, even though their arrow isn't pointing up exactly right now.

Speaker 14 Sneaky decent Mississippi State, you know that? Feisty.

Speaker 1 You were on that. Egg Bowl can be close.
If Ole Miss drops that game, understandably so,

Speaker 1 how does a committee look at what's happening with Ole Miss? We know how they looked at what happened with Florida State and Jordan Travis.

Speaker 1 Is there a scenario in which Ole Miss leaves Ole Miss entirely during the CFK, and now the committee is looking at an old miss coming off a loss in the Egg Bowl, potentially not playing in the SEC championship?

Speaker 1 How do they look at that?

Speaker 22 It would be curious.

Speaker 2 You do the same thing with the coach that you do with the quarterback because FSU was undefeated, but because they are so tied.

Speaker 13 Whoa.

Speaker 18 You're right, Dan?

Speaker 14 That was emotional. He's hornfrogging it.

Speaker 1 They are so tied. Sorry.

Speaker 2 College joke. Wow, that was weird.

Speaker 15 Rough week.

Speaker 1 They are so tied to Lane Kifflin.

Speaker 6 You think they're identical.

Speaker 2 You think they get punished? That old Miss gets punished because

Speaker 2 you don't think that Trinidad Chambliss is enough?

Speaker 2 I think that if you're, I think the reason that Travis, the reason that FSU was knocked out at 13-0 is because everyone knew that once they lost their starting quarterback, that changes the entirety of how it is they play football.

Speaker 2 You're of the belief that if Mississippi loses Lane Kiffin, he's the only one who can coach offense that way for them?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I'm just, I'm not telling you what to think.
I'm asking you if you'd like to. We have a breaking news story here.

Speaker 28 Yo, stop laughing. It's not funny.

Speaker 22 Hey, you're a sucker.

Speaker 16 You're a sucker.

Speaker 10 You're a sucker.

Speaker 16 Sucker.

Speaker 19 Yo, I don't appreciate it.

Speaker 14 It's not funny. Yo,

Speaker 14 I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 That's the breaking news to say.

Speaker 7 A few minutes ago, Zazzlo tweeted out something. He's selling Bitcoin now, apparently, on Twitter.
Oh.

Speaker 13 I think he's been hacked.

Speaker 6 It's not funny, man. Suck a move.

Speaker 2 So all of you.

Speaker 1 You used to be skeptical about Bitcoin.

Speaker 19 Can you guys? What did I say? Tell me what I said. Hold on.

Speaker 2 Can you stop for a second? Because you guys are interrupting the show, laughing at something that you have not yet introduced to the audience, okay?

Speaker 2 I see the entire room laughing while I'm trying to engage everyone in a conversation about whether it matters that Lane Kiffin

Speaker 2 leaves Ole Mess and none of you are listening to me because Zaszlo was hacked. Do you think you should explain that to the audience before you start giggling about it?

Speaker 6 It is funny.

Speaker 1 They have a screen cap of Jonathan, what is purported to be Jonathan Zaslow's crypto account.

Speaker 5 It says, Jonathan, you got money.

Speaker 1 Apparently, you have $80,000 in the crypto.

Speaker 19 Is that from the bar mitzvah?

Speaker 1 Big thanks to whoever hacked you.

Speaker 1 What a smooth withdrawal.

Speaker 28 I used to be skeptical about Bitcoin, but with her guidance, I've been making real profits.

Speaker 1 Just got paid straight to my bank account the celebratory party hat emoji.

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Speaker 1 I'm so glad I did 100 emojis.

Speaker 14 You see, you know how it's bullshit, zombie? I never use emojis. I never use emojis.

Speaker 2 It's not me. What happened here? And you're just learning, like, what happened that this interrupted? Did you tell them? Did they tell you?

Speaker 2 somebody didn't tell me while i was doing the show and all of you just started laughing and enjoying yourselves and

Speaker 2 forgot to do the show with me would you like to explain to me

Speaker 2 and as an added bonus the audience what happened

Speaker 14 So I tried to get onto, you know, Twitter here because like I'm trying to learn stuff that we're talking about and I couldn't sign on. And it's making me do all kinds of garbage to get back on.

Speaker 14 It's not letting me. And I'm like, shit, I wonder if someone's getting up in my business.
And so then I asked Chris, because it won't even let me check if I've been hacked. I have no access.

Speaker 14 So then I asked Chris, yo, can you check my Twitter? Something weird might be happening.

Speaker 1 And I saw he was, and I just started showing everyone here.

Speaker 5 And everyone's laughing at me. I don't like it.

Speaker 2 Instead of doing your job,

Speaker 5 I was like, guys, this is boring.

Speaker 2 Instead of answering Zaz's question,

Speaker 2 you just distracted me while I was talking and made it so that no one could answer my question because too many people were busy laughing at something that me and Zaz were excluded from.

Speaker 15 This is bigger than all of us.

Speaker 14 Like, I said to Chris, I asked Chris, can you go on, can you check my Twitter right now and see if anything weird's happening?

Speaker 14 And like three seconds later, all of a sudden, Chris turns around and everyone's, ah!

Speaker 1 For the record, I don't think Ole Miss should be penalized if Lane Kiffen leaves. I want to make that clear.

Speaker 22 I'm just asking the question.

Speaker 2 I don't think that anyone other than you is asking that question.

Speaker 15 I mean, they did it with Jordan Travis.

Speaker 2 I know, but a quarterback and a coach are not the same thing.

Speaker 1 You're right. Lane Kiffin is way more identified with that program than Jordan Travis.

Speaker 2 Not as important to the result on the field in any one. Wait a minute.

Speaker 26 He is a closer personality.

Speaker 1 Everyone assigns their success. Everyone attributes their success directly to that offensive mind, Colin Play.

Speaker 2 Okay, so you're of the belief.

Speaker 10 You're of the belief. Colin plays.

Speaker 2 You're of the belief

Speaker 2 that if I take Lane Kiffen, give the team one loss like it has right now, but I take Lane Kiffen off of their sideline.

Speaker 7 Tony's calling plays now.

Speaker 2 For the playoffs, you're of the belief that the committee or a committee member would say to themselves, I don't believe that team has a chance anymore in the playoffs because Lane Kiffin is not there the same way that I believe that the undefeated FSU team doesn't have a chance because their quarterback broke his leg.

Speaker 1 I don't think it's word for word what you said, but I do think it affects their ranking. Again, I don't think it should cost them the CFP, but it might cost them a home game.

Speaker 1 I think if you're parsing between Alabama and Ole Miss and Ole Miss loses that game, I mean, one loss, absolutely not, because there they'd be proving that they could win without Lane Kiffen.

Speaker 1 But say they drop that Egg Bowl to Mississippi State, I do think that there are people on the committee that may take away a home game from.

Speaker 2 Do you realize that what you're doing there, if indeed anyone is doing that, and I don't believe they are, but if anyone is doing that, what you're doing, there might be one other coach in the entire sport.

Speaker 2 It'd be Signeti that you do that with, and you wouldn't do it with Signetti. Like, you would not offer Signetti.

Speaker 2 Like, Lane Kiffin would literally be the only person in the sport you're asking that question of.

Speaker 1 But Greg Senke must be emailing you because where is this passion when it comes to points propaganda? Miami's head to head.

Speaker 2 It's just a weird question that you're asking because it's not something I've ever considered.

Speaker 1 I mean, they make no sense.

Speaker 23 The Deer and Headlights spokesperson makes zero sense.

Speaker 1 Well, of course, it would be something that could pop up out of nowhere.

Speaker 23 But it makes sense when it's the focal point of the team and not making it because of that thing happening, right? If it's Jordan Travis breaking his leg, why not just throw in a backup quarterback?

Speaker 15 But I don't think...

Speaker 23 If the play caller's gone, you're going to bring some guy from upstairs to call players?

Speaker 2 I think Trinidad Chambliss is more important to what it is that they're doing and that if he was out, it would be

Speaker 16 from Ferris State.

Speaker 1 I hear you, but the guy that made Trinidad Chambliss a name you know

Speaker 1 is Lane Kiffin.

Speaker 11 He's gonna forget how to play football.

Speaker 1 I'm with you, but it's his play calling.

Speaker 1 Did you not see that show yesterday? There's a whole bunch of asinine shit that happened.

Speaker 9 No, I think there's an important distinction. Then you're kind of looking at it almost like it's basketball.
Like, oh, no, he knows how to play. You can't roll the ball out in football.

Speaker 9 It is still play calling.

Speaker 1 It's play calling. It's prep.

Speaker 1 It's leadership.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying that Lane Kiffin's not important to what Mississippi does, but what you just did was make him the most important coach in all of college football because there's no second coach that you're asking that question about.

Speaker 17 Correct.

Speaker 2 I think you're not doing it with Ryan Day.

Speaker 26 Correct.

Speaker 1 I think that Lane Kiffin. There's got to be other

Speaker 7 play callers that would be valuable.

Speaker 1 In terms of being assigned the success of a program,

Speaker 1 he is the cult of personality. He is the name you think of when you think of that program, maybe for all time.

Speaker 14 I would say the drop-off between if Lane Kiffin were to leave for the playoffs and whoever's going to wind up taking over for the postseason.

Speaker 1 Is it Charlie Weiss's kid? That's the OC?

Speaker 14 The drop-off from Lane to that guy, I do think would be more significant than the drop-off to say if they lost Trinidad Chambers to whoever the backup is.

Speaker 13 Oh, my God.

Speaker 15 It is Charlie Weiss Jr. No, God.

Speaker 16 You don't think so?

Speaker 19 No, guys, they've been working.

Speaker 2 Look, all year, they've been working on whatever it is that they do offensively in practice. You need a good quarterback in order to do that.

Speaker 2 I don't assume that a backup quarterback can just come in and do what Trinidad Champions is.

Speaker 14 Yeah, but it's not a backup quarterback like a backup in the NFL.

Speaker 1 A backup quarterback for FSU won the ACC championship game for that.

Speaker 22 Backup QB is going to be good call.

Speaker 1 I should produce for first take because this was a winner.

Speaker 23 Also, if you look in the NFL game,

Speaker 2 so this is funny breaking news here.

Speaker 15 Oh my god, what?

Speaker 9 Zaz got hacked again?

Speaker 31 Yo, you better not say anything about my Twitter, man.

Speaker 2 Jordan Hudson, Bill Belichick's girlfriend, just tweeted to Pablo Torrey Finds Out for being one of the best podcasts of 2025.

Speaker 16 You're welcome.

Speaker 15 No. Petty play.

Speaker 13 I mean, she's.

Speaker 2 It wasn't her podcast that was nominated as one of the top podcasts.

Speaker 7 It was the stepping stone. It was the stepping stone.
They were a part of it.

Speaker 2 It was the Mississippi Job.

Speaker 21 Jordan Hunt.

Speaker 5 It's amazing that it wasn't that episode.

Speaker 2 Also amazing here is that Pablo responded, of course, by inviting her

Speaker 2 and that Bill Belichick attended her adult cheerleading competition last night and looked bored and tired.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Third.

Speaker 2 Tony's so right. Yeah, he is.
Pablo is shameless. Put it on the poll at Lebittard Show.
Is Pablo Torre more shameless than Donald Trump?

Speaker 23 When it comes to him, I mean, God.

Speaker 23 Inviting people on your podcast 24/7. Anytime I see a reply from Pablo, it's come on the podcast.
I'm like, dude, shut up.

Speaker 1 I'll take a sab at this question. No.

Speaker 16 The Lane Kiffin one?

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Speaker 12 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 14 I've never stepped foot on that campus. If you told me right now your life depends on it, go to Santa Fe University and just

Speaker 29 take a picture. Stugats.
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Speaker 2 I'm surprised that she spelled your welcome correctly.

Speaker 2 You just said shut up, and I think that's something you should immediately take back.

Speaker 30 Shut up for a second here.

Speaker 2 Get me the entire sound there so that I can hear and that the audience can hear how it is that that Cleveland radio host arrived, how quickly that radio host arrived after arguing about Shador Sanders at saying shut up and then immediately taking it back with a rare moment of self-awareness because I really think that shut up in sports radio should escalate to no you shut up or don't tell me to shut up.

Speaker 2 But the apology was so fast here that I believe that the shut up almost got drowned out by the apology.

Speaker 30 They used the term development. I didn't use the term development.
That's not what you didn't. That's just not.
So I'm going to blame them. That's not what this league is.

Speaker 30 It doesn't matter what this league is.

Speaker 30 But this league is not Kenny about making sure to force feed a fifth-round pick that should not have been drafted after they took a third-round quarterback.

Speaker 30 That is not what this league is.

Speaker 30 We're not a charity case.

Speaker 30 This league is not set up to make sure that Deion Sanders' son gets a thousand reps. I'm sorry, Josina, and I'm sorry, Ken.

Speaker 30 And I'm sorry, all these people that are trying to act like the Browns are sabotaging him. He's a fifth-round pick.
I didn't say it was. What are you guys expecting this league is about?

Speaker 30 Hold on, hold on. This isn't Little League.
Hold on. This is a T-ball.
Hold on. We're not trying to foster some great environment for kids to learn.

Speaker 30 It's the NFL. This is not sports talk radio in Seattle.
Oh, my God. This isn't.
No, shut up for a second here. Sorry.
Sounds ridiculous. I take that word away.
I take the shut up part away.

Speaker 30 But let me get

Speaker 30 back to the matter.

Speaker 14 Why'd Seattle catch astray?

Speaker 9 Dan, I think I have an explanation. Without happening to know anything,

Speaker 9 just by reading the body language, the way he retracted that shut up so quickly, they must have had an HR violation in that office at some point. Wow.

Speaker 9 Somebody complained about the use of the word shut up, and it's a little hurtful and a little too grinding. And if we could really not do that anymore.

Speaker 9 And so he said it, and instantly his mind went back to that HR meeting, and that's when he went into immediate apology.

Speaker 30 Shut up for a second here, Sarge. Stop ridiculous.
I take that word away. Oh, it takes the shut up part away.

Speaker 26 Either that

Speaker 6 or

Speaker 9 his significant other has been on his ass about it.

Speaker 30 Shut up for a second here, Sarge. Stop ridiculous.
I take that word away. Oh, take the shut up part away.

Speaker 14 It's a good question. Is it about HR?

Speaker 14 Or is it about the wife?

Speaker 2 It's a good question. Put it on the poll at Lebetard's show.
Is shut up one word? Because I thought it was two words.

Speaker 4 It's one word.

Speaker 7 It could also be a parenting thing where he's told his kids, we don't say shut up in this house. And then he said it immediately.
He was like, oh, no, my parents didn't.

Speaker 2 Do you realize in the way that they were discussing it, okay, they kept interrupting each other, okay?

Speaker 2 They were very good at interrupting each other to the point that the host got mad and said shut up do you know how fast you have to be in order to get the apology in before the person's even been offended because he took it back almost before he'd finished saying the pee and shut up shut up for a second here it's already

Speaker 9 i take that word away i take the shut up part away shut up let's sorry to say that dan that's a conversation that's happened that's that that's a conversation specifically about the use of the word shut up that's already happened he says shut up instinctively and then he realizes, oh shit, I don't want to get in trouble.

Speaker 30 Shut up for a second here. Sorry to say that.
Stop ridiculous. I take that word away.
Oh, it takes the shut up part away.

Speaker 9 What does he say back to him?

Speaker 19 It sounds ridiculous.

Speaker 30 Shut up for a second here. Sorry to say that.
Stop ridiculous. I take that word away.
Oh, it takes the shut up part away.

Speaker 2 That's okay, Ken.

Speaker 14 Oh, he was really forgiving.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 9 it's not him then. It's definitely not the same.

Speaker 14 It sounds like Anthony understands that sometimes Ken loses control.

Speaker 30 Shut up for a second here. Sorry, I'm not.
stop ridiculous. I take that word away.
I take the shut up part away.

Speaker 14 At first, it's like, you sound ridiculous.

Speaker 15 Oh, you just said sorry.

Speaker 7 It's okay.

Speaker 9 I forgive you. Because he's a good teammate, number one.
But also, number two, this tells me even more. It's an HR edict, man.
That's not the wife at home saying don't say it.

Speaker 9 It's not the wife saying about, oh, the kids, you told them, no, you shut up. That's a, hey, I don't want my teammate getting in trouble because we're having a good conversation.

Speaker 30 Shut up for a second here. Sorry, stop ridiculous.
I take that word away. I'll take the shut up part away.

Speaker 23 If we put up the picture of them arguing again, you can kind of tell who's the guy that's about to to say shut up and who's not.

Speaker 26 So Ken is a shade of red.

Speaker 2 It is absolutely radioactive colored Brian Kelly. Yes, that is absolutely what's happening there.

Speaker 2 You can tell by the red in that man's face that there's a lot of people.

Speaker 20 There's a shut up coming.

Speaker 2 Well, there's just a temper control problem.

Speaker 30 Shut up for a second here. Sorry.
It's ridiculous. I take that word away.
Hey, take the shut up part away.

Speaker 23 Might be a therapist thing or like a doctor thing like, hey, Ken.

Speaker 7 That is the Ken Carmen show with Anthony Lima on 92.3 The Fan in Cleveland. Shout out.

Speaker 15 You get a little elo ao.

Speaker 23 Okay, we need you to be down here instead of up here. We need to be

Speaker 23 Donqui Tropi. Okay.
Not aborotao, com dutà.

Speaker 5 Tuta aborotao.

Speaker 23 Not no puestarasi shout out.

Speaker 30 Sorry to say it.

Speaker 30 Take that word away. Take the shut up part away.

Speaker 9 I'd like to go back to Pablo for a second, if I may. Oh, God.
And what he reposted, which says Bill Belotech spotted at a cheerleading competition in Raleigh, North Carolina.

Speaker 9 If I I put the top 10 things

Speaker 9 that you would hate to have to do, but you do it because you love someone, where would going to an adult cheerleading competition rank?

Speaker 2 For him.

Speaker 10 For him.

Speaker 26 Not for just anybody, for him.

Speaker 7 You think maybe this gets him out of like Thanksgiving with her family?

Speaker 15 He's like, all right.

Speaker 7 No. I can't make it to Thanksgiving, but I will be to this thing you got to do.

Speaker 14 I mean, he did a stupid photo shoot on the beach with her, you know?

Speaker 2 That's got to be ranked pretty high that has to be he's had multiple stupid photo shoots on the beach you guys say they're stupid photo shoots but i don't feel like he was not enjoying the photo shoots i can say without having seen anything that he did not enjoy the uh adult cheerleading competition i'm looking at the picture right now he's not he's the picture looks like he's sleeping right he kind of has his eyes shut no that's that's the bill looking down at a phone kind of situation that's the bill belich i'm pissed look yeah i've seen that many a time on a sideline No, man, this guy doesn't want to be there.

Speaker 19 Nobody wants to be there.

Speaker 9 Nobody wants to watch cheerleading.

Speaker 26 Do they?

Speaker 9 Does anyone actually enjoy just the watching?

Speaker 5 Be careful.

Speaker 2 Of course. I mean, of course, some people who aren't cheerleaders.

Speaker 9 Obviously, for them, people who are into the cheerleading culture, it's a big deal. It's like me liking watching basketball.

Speaker 9 But if you're not into it, I just cannot imagine people like, great, let's watch these.

Speaker 2 Well, to answer your question, this may surprise you, but absolutely, I will stop on a choreographed dance routine that is televised cheerleading competitions that they used to do on ESPN

Speaker 2 and I would stop on those

Speaker 21 That's not even being an ally.

Speaker 21 Dan,

Speaker 2 I don't think that's an ally. I think that's simply something that a lot of people would stop on.
I think that's why it was televised.

Speaker 9 Dan, not since Justin Long and Dodgeball have I ever sat there and watched a cheerleading competition.

Speaker 7 Bring it on was last time for me.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's a good movie. Great movie.

Speaker 9 Dodgeball's a great movie. What are you guys doing?

Speaker 7 I've never seen Dodgeball. What? What?

Speaker 19 Whatever, man. I'll tell you, this guy's a sucker.

Speaker 23 He's been a sucker since day one.

Speaker 6 You'd like to know what he's very wealthy in crypto.

Speaker 13 Hold on. We got to.

Speaker 2 Well, not anymore.

Speaker 2 I don't know how to do this, but I've been wanting to do a couple of different things, okay? And I think this is one we can do with Zazzler. I don't know exactly how to do it.

Speaker 2 You guys help me think this out on air.

Speaker 2 If you don't get distracted by him being hacked or anything else, I'm trying, trying, Dan.

Speaker 9 Has anyone noticed? He's a sucker. He's doing sucker things.

Speaker 2 I believe that

Speaker 2 getting a review of Dodgeball from Zaz, watching it for the first time, would feel to me not unlike some of these videos in my algorithm that I watch of, for example, young people being introduced to In the Air Tonight or Stairway to Heaven, or when a generation several generations removed from something that was popular, you get to watch the awe and discovery of someone hearing or watching something for the first time that you already like.

Speaker 2 I thought that we should do this. I requested this a couple of months ago.

Speaker 2 I thought we should do this with seminal sporting moments that some of the young people around here might not have any sort of reference points for that the rest of us have enjoyed.

Speaker 15 White right?

Speaker 15 Just anything.

Speaker 2 It could be anything. It could be Marshawn Lynch

Speaker 2 in a golf cart on the Cal Field after the game, just doing wheelies in circles.

Speaker 1 Oh, so other teams, not just Florida State.

Speaker 2 What is your hacking update?

Speaker 14 You're asking me.

Speaker 11 Dan, I've been hacked. One tweet.

Speaker 14 I don't have access to my Twitter.

Speaker 11 There's no update.

Speaker 7 That one tweet went out. Nothing since.

Speaker 9 Should we respond and interact with it? We can't.

Speaker 23 We can't? We cannot because they blocked whoever it was. So the only person that you can reply to that tweet to is the person that they tagged.

Speaker 23 But I don't want to click the tag because then I might get hacked. I'm not a sucker.

Speaker 1 I know this because I wanted to retweet it and I couldn't.

Speaker 19 We can't quote tweet it.

Speaker 6 No, we can't do anything.

Speaker 6 I was gonna ask Grok, hey, did Kate Grok, did Zaz get hacked?

Speaker 5 Or is he a sucker?

Speaker 9 I was gonna say, hey, Zaz, thanks. Like, kind of just pretend like it's still Zaz.

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