GOOD FOLLOW - Lexie Brown Talks CBA Negotiations, Seattle’s New Head Coach, Athletes Unlimited & More!

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Speaker 3 It's your girl, Ros Goldenwooder, and I am coming to you from Nashville, Tennessee, because I am here here for a preseason welcome week of

Speaker 3 extravaganza activities for Athletes Unlimited heading into their fifth season. And for this episode, we have a very special guest joining the show.
She is a WNBA champion.

Speaker 3 She is most recently of the Seattle Storm and will be rejoining them. And for Athletes Unlimited, entering her fifth season, also my homegirl and friend, Lexi Brown.
My girl. What's up, Lexi?

Speaker 3 How are you? Great.

Speaker 3 How are you i'm good i'm always happy to see you um we always run into each other yeah never for work though this is like our first work thing this is a work thing last time i saw you it was the women's final four

Speaker 3 and you were like let me get you us an individual photo shoot and i was like no there's no way like lexi you do not have to take a picture of me because i was like what's the problem she was like having no no no no

Speaker 3 no no no

Speaker 3 no but i was like what i look like at the women's final four having lexi brown taking my photo i make everybody take my pictures my friends already know.

Speaker 3 If we're going out, you have to take photos of me. Not for nothing.
You nailed it.

Speaker 3 They look good. You posted them.
The likes went crazy. That's what I'm here for.

Speaker 3 Yeah, actually, you know, before we even started this, it took us a while to even get to the basketball because

Speaker 3 to me, you're a little sis, you know? Like, this is, you know, the youth coming up. And you just told me you're heading into year nine of the W? Yes, nine.
I'm proud of you. Thank you.

Speaker 3 That's a testimony considering all you've had to overcome through your basketball career. It's been a lot.
I didn't think I was going to even get to five years, honestly.

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, I got cut after year three. I was like, oh, wrap it up.
But now we're heading to year nine. I'm so blessed and grateful.
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 And there's also been a lot of things that have been outside of your control, whether it's Crohn's disease.

Speaker 3 You know, it's also just a competitive league. You've played in it during a time where there were less teams,

Speaker 3 a lot of changes. Roster spots.

Speaker 3 Everything. Yeah.
Almost anything you can experience as a WPA player, I've probably experienced

Speaker 3 like a walking testimony of just how hard it is at times, but also how amazing it is at the same time.

Speaker 3 So knowing that as you step into Athletes Unlimited this upcoming season, which will now be your fifth, you know, what do you need from this experience? What are you trying to get out of it?

Speaker 3 Honestly, I think this is like the first season. I don't need a thing.
I'm here to serve and pour into everybody that's here.

Speaker 3 And I think for me, this is going to be a really special season because it is such a transformative year for women's sports and women's basketball. We have like a really, really good roster.

Speaker 3 Like this is the best roster we've ever had. And we were very intentional of who we brought to Nashville this season for season five.
And there's going to be a lot of changes, a lot of excitement.

Speaker 3 And I'm just ready to pour into people. Like I've just been poured into constantly every single year I've been here.
I just felt like I've always been the person. Everyone's like, are you good?

Speaker 3 Do you need anything? What's going on? You got traded. Like I got traded last year during season, like right before a game.
So like I walked into the arena and everyone was like, are you okay?

Speaker 3 I think I might have been there last season. Were you there?

Speaker 3 I literally was like late to warm-ups. Like, I got the call literally on the way to a game, and like, we were, I walked into like our pregame meeting, and everyone was like, Are you okay?

Speaker 3 Yeah, oh my gosh, I'm employed. I'm fine.
It's okay. Everything's going to be fine.
But I just feel like every year has been something with me.

Speaker 3 And I think this year will be the first year where I can really just show up for everybody else. And I'm really excited about that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm happy for you and excited for you to experience that role and also to kind of pay it forward for all the people who poured into you. But it also kind of speaks too about

Speaker 3 how interesting and important

Speaker 3 these relatively new leagues that, you know, are alternative to the WNBA season are that have started to pop up.

Speaker 3 And this year, all eyes are going to be on a league like Athletes Unlimited as the CBA is, you know, hopefully renegotiated or continuing to be.

Speaker 3 And certainly free agency is about to be the biggest ever. Like,

Speaker 3 what is it like having all eyes on women's basketball during this time? It's amazing. We're like, finally, we've been waiting.
We've been waiting. I mean, you know, you played in college.

Speaker 3 Like, we be here. Like, I'm glad y'all aren't coming to the party.
You're all a little late, but welcome.

Speaker 3 Like I said, like, this is the season. Like, I'm one of the two vets signed.
So I'm not going to be a free agent. So that's something that I don't even have to worry about.
That was by design, right?

Speaker 3 So for everybody, like, this is going to be a huge free agency for just about. everyone who isn't a rookie in the WNBA.
It's going to be mad. It's going to be very exciting.

Speaker 3 But you, like you said, you're one of two. And that was by design.

Speaker 3 What, how did you make that decision to have that? So the front office at the time with the Sparks were around when I got really, when I was peak illness time.

Speaker 3 And honestly, we didn't know if I was going to get better. We didn't know what was going on.
And they were gracious enough to extend me an extension in the middle of me being sick.

Speaker 3 I hadn't played in months, but they were just like, you know what? Like, we're going to trust that you're going to get better. You're going to get back.
We're going to give you this extension.

Speaker 3 I needed the health insurance. You know, I wasn't worried about the salary.
I'm not afraid to work hard for something.

Speaker 3 I knew I would make the money back on the back end, but just having that protection, not having to worry about if I was going to be employed or not, where I was going to get my health insurance, if I was going to be straight with my medication took such a weight off me.

Speaker 3 And that's why I decided to do the extension. And I know a lot of people just found out during the finals because they said it a lot during the finals.
And everyone was like, what? Like, how?

Speaker 3 Why would they do that? Like. It was very intentional, 100% intentional.

Speaker 3 And I like, I knew maybe in the back end, I would lose like a year of this new CBA money, but there's a possibility for them to like renegotiate it, rip it up, whatever.

Speaker 3 But I know for a fact that like, at least I'm going to have my health insurance. And for me, that was like top priority.
Security is a real thing.

Speaker 3 Again, especially when you've, you know, had so many situations or setbacks that have also been outside of your control. You was like, I could lock this up.

Speaker 3 I mean, this year, last year and this year will be my first two protected contracts in my whole career.

Speaker 3 So I was like, I'm just taking, I need this. And you've got an interesting situation coming up with the Seattle store for year two of this contract in that you've got a brand new head coach.

Speaker 3 Brand new head coach. Yeah.
Well, first of all, shout out to Sonia Rahman. She's amazing.
Very much known for her intellect. Super high IQ.
I mean, literally, the lady's a lawyer.

Speaker 3 Very, very well regarded in coaching circles. Also,

Speaker 3 you know, makes history as the first of Indian descent as a head coach in the WNBA. Very cool.
Like, so knowing that is happening heading into year two, you got a new coach.

Speaker 3 How do you respond to that? I mean, I'm excited. We've been texting a little bit.

Speaker 3 We're going to talk a little bit later later this week but again like you said a high cute intellectual basketball mind that like that's me head to toe so hopefully that we can see eye to eye you know i'm waiting for a coach that i can just build a really good relationship with i just haven't been able to find that in the wnba yet so i'm hoping that she's the one i've heard nothing but great things about her so i'm really excited yeah what are you guys talking about so far she's told me she listens she's gonna listen to my podcast i know which like my coach last year never even mentioned my pod to me ever but i knew she was listening, but I could tell she was listening.

Speaker 3 But she never mentioned anything about it, but she straight up was like, Yeah, I'm gonna listen to your pod.

Speaker 3 I downloaded, I'm gonna listen to the flight, which was great because we actually talked about her on that recent episode and how excited we were to have her in Seattle.

Speaker 3 And I was excited to get to know her. So for her to even mention, like, we were, she's, she just reached out to me, mentioned the podcast.
Like, that was, that was really special to me.

Speaker 3 She probably thought it was just like a regular thing, but like having her and knowing that I even have a podcast is like super cool. It's an investment.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, she's like, yo, I'm going to put time into what it is that you're pouring into, yeah. I was like, I said great things about you, by the way.

Speaker 3 Like, imagine if I was on there, like, who is this dude?

Speaker 3 No, definitely don't listen to episodes.

Speaker 3 No, we literally had such high praises with her, dude. We have high praises for her, so I'm glad she listened to that one, yeah.

Speaker 3 And actually, you know, you're one of the gibbons for the storm again with this free agency coming up. A lot of teams, we don't really know what to expect.
That'd be insane.

Speaker 3 I can't wait to watch it all unfold. It's gonna be you have no idea who your teammates are gonna be.
None, I think it's me right now. It's just me and the babies, so those

Speaker 3 again you have the expansion draft too like

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Speaker 3 It's gonna be crazy. The regular drafts.

Speaker 3 We have no idea what's gonna happen. There's so much new.
There's so much like on the timeline that you you need to get to. And the CBA is still

Speaker 3 hovering overhead. I mean, what are you most concerned about or is your biggest interest right now with the CBA, especially given y'all just renegotiated a extension through November 30th?

Speaker 3 So do you feel like the time is ticking to get this done for sure? I mean, the last CBA we went through January, I think. So this is like nothing new.
So we've had extensions before.

Speaker 3 I wasn't as hands-on with the last CBA because I was still relatively new to the league and I I didn't really know what was going on. But this time around, I'm like very invested in it.

Speaker 3 I'm on the calls. I'm, you know, NECA has been my teammate in LA and in Seattle.
So I'm always asking her, bothering her, like, what Kathy say? What's Harry saying?

Speaker 3 What y'all talk about at y'all meetings? And she's like, Lexi, please leave me alone. I talk about this all the time.

Speaker 3 But I'm not. concerned.
I mean, the only concern is just like pushing back the season more and more. We have more games, more teams.

Speaker 3 We need more roster spots, obviously.

Speaker 3 But the fact that we're going to be seeing all this new money, whatever that looks like, is something that like I never thought I was going to be able to experience in my career.

Speaker 3 So I'm just really excited. I mean, I think even it's like getting a little messy.

Speaker 3 It's getting spicy, but like deep down, I think everybody's just like really excited about where the league is going and hopefully we can figure it out. Yeah.
Do you feel like you're close?

Speaker 3 No, unfortunately.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 But maybe I'm not in the big, big meetings with the executive committee, but we just saw AC when she was in Nashville briefly when we were here.

Speaker 3 And she was just like, yeah, I mean, the talks are, they're moving, but like they should have been moving like a few weeks ago a few months ago so but moving forward is better than moving backwards who do you think is first to feel the pressure of missing out on momentum built by not getting this done properly I think the league now that we have us and unrivaled, like we just have more leverage and more power than we've ever had.

Speaker 3 We have so many opportunities outside of the W, which is amazing. And I feel like this is the first time that we really can afford to like not play.
We don't want to do that. We love the W.

Speaker 3 We love our fans. We want to continue to push the league forward.

Speaker 3 But for the first time, I feel like in the history, there's enough of us to be like, oh, no, like we'll be okay if we don't have this season. But again, like that is.
worst case scenario. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But the perspective, there's got to be an attitude shift. I was just talking about this with Angel McCotrie actually.

Speaker 3 And I was like, how the attitudes have to shift because maybe in the past, it used to be that, you know, WNBA players might have been lucky to have the platform of the W. That's an old mindset.

Speaker 3 It's old. This is now an era of NIL, of people having star power before they enter the W, of people being millionaires before they enter the W.
Like, y'all are partners. Yes.
Right.

Speaker 3 It's like not this, this power hierarchy. Like it wasn't like, y'all just be grateful to be here.
Just grateful. Like, I mean, it came out of Kathy's mouth.

Speaker 3 Like, we heard it from Fi when she was like, y'all, everyone should be grateful that you even have this. And yes, we are grateful.
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 We love being able to make money playing a game that we love. But at the end of the day, there needs to be some type of, you know, value added.

Speaker 3 Like you have to show us that you guys value us as the players. Like there's no league without the players.

Speaker 3 So I feel, I feel like we are headed in the right direction, but I think we had to kind of like light a little fire under the league a little bit. And that's not what we wanted to do.

Speaker 3 We wanted to kind of keep it behind closed doors, but sometimes you just have to kind of. Yeah, let everything out in the open and see what happens.

Speaker 3 Do you wish it hadn't gotten quite as spicy and personal as it as it did? I mean, yeah, you don't ever want to throw anybody under the bus because we are, like you said, partners.

Speaker 3 At the end of the day, we want to keep things civil, but some things just have to be said. And I mean, fee of all people saying it, you know it was bad.
Yeah, you know it was bad.

Speaker 3 And Sue Bird said something interesting, too, on another podcast. She was saying,

Speaker 3 We have found, this was like me paraphrasing what she said, we have found that nobody will listen to us until we yell and start screaming. And I was like,

Speaker 3 so like that's kicking screaming throwing things against the wall right that's basically what that was and i mean they've res they have responded and i think people now i've said it a lot like people aren't being so dense about the conversation anymore like oh your league just loses money like i the amount of comments i see i'm like okay like you guys don't know that if the league was that much of a failure it would have been done already like let's let's move past that and just get down to the the nitty-gritty of what we're asking we're asking for a bigger share of the pie that we have helped bake.

Speaker 3 You know, the pie keeps growing, and our slice is getting smaller and smaller and smaller.

Speaker 3 We're not asking for the entire pie, we're not asking for a huge piece of the pie, just a bigger slice than what we have right now. And we want the pie slice to grow as the pie grows.

Speaker 3 And right now, it's going the opposite direction, and we need that to change.

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Speaker 3 What do you think about this concept or the truth that the ownership structure is really complicated

Speaker 3 for the WNBA? There's like some maybe 42% of WNBA owners, 42% owned by NBA owners.

Speaker 3 There's this other slice of 16% that was divvied out to an independent group that invested in the league, but also was comprised of WNBA owners who already had a slice where they got extra.

Speaker 3 Very complicated. So what do you think about that?

Speaker 3 I mean, I think that's just the way that the league has had to survive. And it's been in survival mode for so many years, but it's like...

Speaker 3 Again, it's like a lot of layers that you have to get through. And just the league is just not very transparent about anything.
So yes, we are probably just as confused as everybody else.

Speaker 3 Like, do we owe these people money? Like, who wants money where? And then all of a sudden, the league explodes. And now everybody probably wants their money, their return on investment.

Speaker 3 But like, y'all weren't really investing in us for real. It was just a tax write-off to some of you.
It was just something that you had to do for some of you.

Speaker 3 And now you have the owners, our Seattle owners, the New York owners, the Vegas owners. Like, they are the first ones that really put the money where their mouths were.

Speaker 3 And everybody has to follow suit. But I feel like people have been really hard on Kathy, as they should be, but she works for the owners.

Speaker 3 Like, everyone needs to be looking at the owners and like, what are y'all talking about in these meetings? Like, who's who's for the players and who's for themselves?

Speaker 3 Like, that's the questions that need to be asked. Like, it's not all on Kathy, but she's just like the face of it.
But she works for the owners.

Speaker 3 So, I'm like, what are y'all owners talking about in y'all's meetings? Like, do y'all really care about us? Do y'all really want to invest in us? Do y'all want everybody to have a facility?

Speaker 3 Because right now, it's giving no. Y'all don't because everyone doesn't have one, and that's ridiculous.
And that's bare minimum.

Speaker 3 Y'all want us to come out here and do our jobs and be put out a good product, and we can't even have facilities. Like, we haven't even gotten to that in the CBA yet.

Speaker 3 We're still stuck on salaries, but like having facilities is that there's a that there's a minimum level that like you can't have any team not have you playing in a rec center like everybody's got to have a certain requirement.

Speaker 3 And honestly, would I say it's like a competitive advantage? In some ways, yes. Like I've been on teams in the rec center.
I'm now in Seattle with a beautiful facility.

Speaker 3 Like it is like night and day, but like it doesn't like automatically give you wins. Does it automatically give you championships? It's the investment from the top down.

Speaker 3 And that's why Vegas has been running through the league the last four years because they are doing it the right way over there. It feels like teams and ownership groups are following suit.

Speaker 3 It's almost like a facilities, you know, arms race at this point, and a coaching arms race, and an analytics arms race.

Speaker 3 So, you know, look, with the demands of this level of investment in every single way, it's raising everybody's bar, right? Exactly. So, hopefully, we do see the CBA,

Speaker 3 you know, come to a positive place where everybody's winning together and we can get back to the to the court and the games and the schedule as planned.

Speaker 3 And let's actually, that'll be my transition into let's get back to the court here

Speaker 3 because we've been all over and it's been beautiful. But I want to come back to

Speaker 3 something you said in your exit interviews with the storm.

Speaker 3 You said, I, I, nah, man, you keep it real. You said, I don't believe I got the opportunity I deserved here.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 You want more. And you clarified that you were healthy.

Speaker 3 So what is it that you want

Speaker 3 out of

Speaker 3 your career this next season coming up with the storm? And at this point, heading into year nine and your pro WNBA career? Yeah, I just feel like a reintroduction is needed.

Speaker 3 All these new fans like just know me as the podcast girl that happens to also play in the W because I've been battling getting back healthy.

Speaker 3 So the last two years prior to this one, I like was not fully healthy.

Speaker 3 This was my first year healthy had a great season last year in nashville got traded they were so excited for me to be there we're gonna need your shooting we're gonna need this this this i get there and it's just like everything changed and i was just kind of like y'all told me y'all needed a shooter like we literally had papers in our lockers of everyone's role and my number one role was efficient three-point shot maker.

Speaker 3 Nobody else on the team had that role but me. We had three roles.

Speaker 3 Nobody else had three-point shot maker but me and on the entire team and the biggest struggle for us this season was three-point shooting and i was just like okay

Speaker 3 we have drills we have shooting we have pd we have the gym like i was in there doing what you guys asked me to do and y'all just didn't put me on the court and that's just something that happens at times you just have to be a professional about it and get through it and that's what i did but it started getting to the point where i was we were going to games and i was seeing other players and other coaches and they're like are you are you okay like are you still sick are you still then i was like oh no no no no no we're not going through this again like i'm fine i'm healthy like i can't check myself into the game i'm just not playing so that's why i decided to use that opportunity to to address the media because i was like i don't really talk to none of y'all all season long for real like i don't really know y'all for real but i appreciate y'all so i'm just going to use this opportunity just to clear that up like i'm healthy i feel amazing i just wasn't given any minutes and that's happens sometimes.

Speaker 3 How did you deal with something like that that you are not in control of?

Speaker 3 When you're getting subbed in and you're playing time oh man throughout the season honestly i thought those days were behind me i haven't had it i'd had a dmp in like three years so i was like i got one the second game of the season so that kind of like took me out i was like a dmp y'all brought me here like i was cool in la like i had a whole life in los angeles and y'all picked me up just to not play me any minutes zero minutes second game of the year against dallas no disrespect to dallas but it's like you saw how their season ended but i'm like okay

Speaker 3 so it it took me a little bit of time to just wrap my mind around what this season was going to look like for me personally.

Speaker 3 And I just felt like, okay, let me pour into the young ones because I wasn't the only one dealing with hard things this season.

Speaker 3 So I just decided to pour into Mackenzie, Dom, Zaya, you know, I was with in LA, me and her were able to like rebuild our relationship because we both had a hard time in LA too towards the end.

Speaker 3 So That made my days, that makes showing up to work a lot more tolerable for me because I got to see them every day day and made sure that they were locked in.

Speaker 3 They were in the gym all the time working out, doing all the things that they needed to do to be pros. So just seeing them doing that just continued to keep me inspired and happy to show up to work.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you have that characteristic about you. Like you know, you're a leader.
You also enjoy, you know.

Speaker 3 helping others and you know building something and you know brings us back to a you athletes unlimited where you're on the player executive committee and you mentioned right at the top of this interview you like to pour you know you want to try this year to pour into other people's.

Speaker 3 I think in my knowledge of AU, last year was my first time pulling up.

Speaker 3 And one of the things that I didn't even know, and I think is an incredible story that people could know even more, is that this league is player-led. There's a player-led aspect.

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 3 what is the role you have in the player executive committee? What do y'all do? We literally do everything. Like, the only thing like we don't know is like what everybody's like getting paid.

Speaker 3 Like, that's the only thing like we don't know.

Speaker 3 We have weekly meetings we handpick the roster we discuss uniforms what reps we're bringing in if we're doing any rule changes we all collectively decided to come to Nashville I mean we had other cities that we wanted to go to like we vote on everything um we're like extremely hands-on and I feel like we don't really have a group that likes to like toot their own horn but like we have a very humble group but I feel like we need to like pop it a little bit more.

Speaker 3 Like we really built this league from the ground up with the help of the Johns that, you know, founded this. And, you know, having the other sports has been amazing.

Speaker 3 But I feel like what we've built basketball-wise, like, we tapped into this off-season thing way before anybody else did. John believed in women's basketball before anybody else did.

Speaker 3 So, like, we're always so grateful for him. He's on all the meetings.
He was in Nashville with us this weekend. And it's just so much fun.

Speaker 3 And it's like, I'm getting my feet wet in the front office GM role that I want to have one day, hopefully. But

Speaker 3 it's been a blast. And it's really like the optimal opportunity for me to just pour into each other, pour into others, um, and continue to grow the women's game.

Speaker 3 Okay, I'll get you out on this one because another cool aspect of this season of Athletes Unlimited is your dad

Speaker 3 is going to be having a role in AU. So, like, what's he going to be doing, and why is that special for you to have this with him?

Speaker 3 He's so he's going to join Danielle in doing a player development, skill development. So, he actually asked me if he could come do some AU stuff.
And at first, I was like, no, like, this is my thing.

Speaker 3 And people are going to be like, oh, Lexi and her dad, and la la la la la. But I was like, actually, like, that's a great idea, dad.
So I just brought it to Megan and the PC.

Speaker 3 I mean, the PC, they had a vote on it to make sure it was okay without me present. And they know that everyone's really excited.

Speaker 3 So he's been away from the women's game for a long time, but you know, he's been training me since I've been a kid. He coached my AU team.

Speaker 3 He's really passionate about women's basketball and the game. He coached the W.
He has a lot of knowledge. So he's just really excited.
We're really excited.

Speaker 3 And I haven't really been able to spend a ton of time with him. You know, in the last few years, I've been on the move.
He's been on the move.

Speaker 3 So for us to be able to, you know, have some daddy-daughter time in Nashville. I'm not gatekeeping him anymore.
So I hope everybody just loves him as much as I do.

Speaker 3 Oh, it is so sweet to see your father-daughter relationship and the love through the game and bonding. Yeah, he likes to be behind the scenes.

Speaker 3 So even him asking to like, come do this, I'm like, are you sure? You like to kind of be in the cut, like Batman, a little bit.

Speaker 3 But he's like, no, I'm ready to come out and show everybody like my knowledge and everything everything that I can teach y'all. And he has great drill.

Speaker 3 Like, I'm so excited for everyone to see his drills. Like, just his basketball mind is just incredible.
So, I'm really excited. Oh, it's going to be a family affair here at AU in Nashville.

Speaker 3 You know, I can't wait. I'll be back in February to see you there.

Speaker 3 But thank you for pulling up to Good Follow Show.

Speaker 3 Thanks. Yeah.
Everybody, that'll do it for this episode of Good Follow Show. Lexi Brown and her pops coming to you.

Speaker 3 Papa Brown from Nashville, Tennessee. We'll see you next time.

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