The Big Suey: This Is War

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Speaker 7 Welcome to the Big Sue,

Speaker 7 presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? It's a podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebetard podcast.

Speaker 13 I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that.

Speaker 7 In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries

Speaker 7 if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.

Speaker 14 I've done it.

Speaker 7 And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.

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Speaker 7 Did we then agree that, by consensus, that today is the most mailing-it-in day of the year in the American work-labor economy?

Speaker 24 I'm working two jobs today, pal.

Speaker 9 Yeah, Mike's getting Miami into the college football playoff. Just ask him.

Speaker 2 Three jobs. I got a full day today.

Speaker 7 I thought you were going to introduce, I'm not talking about whether you have a full day or not. I'm talking about the effort level of a meme yesterday, given that

Speaker 7 what this week is, where his weekend observations, he goes, he gives us three observations. He didn't have anything.
He doesn't deserve to be paid for that. That was bad.

Speaker 18 It was real bad.

Speaker 7 It's just not, it's so not trying that it deserves to be publicly punished.

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Speaker 1 F1 Minute and an internet mission.

Speaker 2 Oh, I can't do it with the spider behind me.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we've got a lot of that going on. This is not a fake fear of Zaslow.
Don't do this to him on the internet. Do not do this to him on his social media accounts.

Speaker 26 People have been very kind so far. Like, someone sent me a Donovan Mitchell picture.

Speaker 26 That's, you know, that's.

Speaker 27 And he spider whip?

Speaker 7 That's cheeky. Yes.
And then, yes, you also had John Sally made an appearance. I have a couple of different things, though, that I wish to get to.

Speaker 7 I believe it's pretty rare in sports, but I believe that there are certain things where we all have the same reaction.

Speaker 7 And I believe all of us had the same reaction to Brandon Cook to the Bills, which is like, oh. Cooks.
Cooks, excuse me. Brandon Cooks to the Bills.
Cooks.

Speaker 5 Thanksgiving. We'll allow it.

Speaker 7 Brandon Cooked. Oh, so we didn't have the same reaction?

Speaker 7 Okay, so we don't have the same reaction.

Speaker 26 I feel like he's good. He's on a different team every year.

Speaker 7 Well, but I believe he's just fast. Used to be fast when you get older, but not fast.

Speaker 10 No, he's so fast.

Speaker 15 Those fast guys, those straight line speed guys, they find a way to hang on in the league for a very long time.

Speaker 24 And he's had a remarkable career.

Speaker 28 I feel like that's putting it a little bit more.

Speaker 17 No, no, he's had a remarkable career.

Speaker 27 He was a first-round draft pick.

Speaker 11 He lived up to expectations.

Speaker 29 Everywhere he goes, he produces when he's healthy.

Speaker 30 He's won championships, I believe.

Speaker 25 And yet, he has played for like a dozen teams.

Speaker 26 He's on a different team every year.

Speaker 8 It's wild.

Speaker 7 Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Brandon Cook's remarkable career.
Yes or no?

Speaker 7 That wasn't even one of my football topics today because Justin Tucker getting a tryout from the Saints was interesting.

Speaker 26 Why would they do that?

Speaker 7 Oh, just to put a finger in the air and test the air on is Justin Tucker welcomed back by society or not? We're not going to lead here.

Speaker 26 But why would the Saints, like, why do the Saints care?

Speaker 10 The franchise is clearly a saint.

Speaker 18 The franchise that allegedly helped cover up

Speaker 18 with the Catholic Church and

Speaker 27 they gave them PR

Speaker 24 tips on the side.

Speaker 7 So, Mike, it sounded like this particular subject matter was weighty enough that perhaps you should get all of your facts correct on, and it's a bad scandal, and it's a bad under-reported scandal on what happened with the Saints, the church, and how the Saints provided for the church, allegedly, cover in ways that is super distasteful for the kinds of crimes that Justin Tucker is involved in.

Speaker 7 But I wanted to get to Dylan Gabriel being cleared and not starting. So the Browns won a game, and that's leadership.

Speaker 7 Just, we won won one time we're gonna keep we're gonna stay with this this is the quarterback killing franchise that has Deshaun Watson as a veteran on the sidelines counseling new winner Shadur Sanders the first time a Browns starter has started a quarterback in the last 17 tries with his first game and actually won the game

Speaker 26 I don't agree with that I I think this

Speaker 26 This should have, and maybe it was, the plan at the start of the season. Like, wouldn't it have made sense give Dylan Gabriel a bunch of games?

Speaker 26 They're not going to do any winning, and then give Shador Sanders a bunch of games.

Speaker 7 I thought that before the season, what was made clear to all of us is that Dylan Gabriel would do about what he would do because Shador Sanders wasn't any kind of ready.

Speaker 7 And then the moment that Dylan Gabriel is cleared, I would have assumed that most people were expecting him to have played well enough to get that job back.

Speaker 7 I think most people were expecting Shador Sanders to lose.

Speaker 7 We were told that that was going to look incompetent on Sunday, and what looked incompetent is just the general status of Tom Brady's Raiders.

Speaker 19 I don't think there has been a season in NFL history that has gone more according to predictable plan than what's happened with the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 30 Flacco in there for a couple of games and a little spark, but then, you know, pushed out.

Speaker 18 Gabriel comes in, you know, whatever.

Speaker 16 And then Shador comes in late in the season, all while Miles Garrett potentially earns a sack record.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Well, that defense is obviously good without question. And if you think that Max Crosby and the Raiders are good at defense, no, that defense in Cleveland is actually the one that is good.

Speaker 7 And so, by merely being something close to mediocre as a quarterback, which Gabriel's been? I mean, yeah, but it's yes, their skill position guys are no good. They're not an interesting team.

Speaker 7 This is the only interesting thing about them. The fact that the Browns are being talked about, I just can't believe the last 10 years of the Browns.

Speaker 7 I know the last 30 years of the Browns have been ridiculous,

Speaker 7 laughingstock stuff, but the last 10 years to have, like, Johnny Menzel is in that list of quarterbacks that I just gave you. 17 first-time starters at quarterback hadn't won a game.

Speaker 7 For that defense to be championship good, championship good.

Speaker 7 The Lions would kill to have what the Browns have on defense.

Speaker 7 For that defense to be championship good and the franchise to be so broken in so many ways

Speaker 7 that this is where we are with the story of the Cleveland Browns from Baker Mayfield and Odell Beckham and a season of expectations we get to Shador starts because he's famous and people will talk about him.

Speaker 7 Like that, that the last part of this season, the only thing that's interesting about the Browns, the only thing, the only thing

Speaker 7 is, is Shador Sanders going to win games 20 to 17?

Speaker 18 It's like a train wreck that you can't take your eyes off.

Speaker 16 Everyone knew this was going to happen.

Speaker 19 You knew the Deshaun Watson thing wasn't going to work out, in part because of who he was at the time, what we had seen recently, but also because of that franchise.

Speaker 7 I don't think we can say that.

Speaker 27 You just knew Cleveland going all in on a move like that, guaranteeing the entire contract. You just knew it wasn't going to work out.

Speaker 10 Mike. I did.
I did. Because I was a Cleveland Browns fan for most of my life.

Speaker 7 I understand that you've been scarred your whole life. Man, please don't forget what Deshaun Watson was as a quarterback before they got him.
He got that.

Speaker 19 Yeah, but don't forget what he was like prior to the Cleveland Browns getting up.

Speaker 32 He was bad for a while, Dan, before he got treated.

Speaker 26 No, he had the one year where he wasn't that great at the end with Houston. Then obviously what was like two years in between, waiting for you.

Speaker 7 You guys are doing revisionist history. He got that guaranteed money at a time that no one thought that quarterbacks could be good, and he was one of the six or seven best of them.

Speaker 7 That was by, the reason he got that money is because more than one team was willing to give it to him.

Speaker 20 Let's agree to disagree.

Speaker 16 I think that there was plenty of skepticism around like what is Deshaun Watson going to look like because the last time we saw him out there, he wasn't that great and he's been away from football for you.

Speaker 7 was the team that was up 21-0 on the Chiefs with Deshaun Watson at quarterback back when we thought before C.J. Stroud.
Yeah, he was good then. That was going to be the offense.

Speaker 10 He was good then.

Speaker 10 That was going to be the offense that, look,

Speaker 7 I believe this is fair to say.

Speaker 7 I believe that this has as much to do with the Browns as anything that is responsible for

Speaker 7 Deshaun Watson's failure.

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Football.

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Speaker 7 That contract is one of the epic disasters in the history of giving money in sports, especially in a salary-capped sport. That quarterback was good to great,

Speaker 7 good to great. And everything that he did to himself there, I believe has ruined him every bit as much as going to Cleveland, a place that will ruin all quarterbacks.

Speaker 7 I believe that his life, whatever it's been away from the huddle for the last five years, has enough public shame in it that I believe it wrecked this man as a quarterback.

Speaker 11 That's fair to say.

Speaker 20 He also made a decision.

Speaker 30 He's like, I'm not going to run.

Speaker 16 as much.

Speaker 15 And then what ended up happening was he started getting sacked at a crazy clip behind a solid offensive line because he was holding on to the ball too long because he decided Cleveland's going to be a great place for me to reshape my career.

Speaker 17 And they moved him out of there and Joe Flacco got him into the playoffs.

Speaker 29 Statuesque Joe Flacco, who everybody wrote off, got them into the playoffs. He was the problem.

Speaker 10 I watched a lot of Browns tapes.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he held the ball too.

Speaker 10 Because we talked about it all the time. Like, what is this?

Speaker 28 He held the ball.

Speaker 28 I believe it sucked.

Speaker 7 I believe Deshaun Watson's decision-making was short-circuited at life.

Speaker 7 I believe believe that whatever that is to bring upon yourself, look, Mike, the thing that we knew about Deshaun Watson before that is just that he grew up in one of

Speaker 7 Warwick Dunn's homes, that he's one of the great success stories in sports, coming through Clemson, becoming a champion, being a model pillar, ready to be a quarterback who would be a face and voice for a team.

Speaker 7 And that's the scandal that I believe everything around Deshaun Watson short-circuited.

Speaker 26 I remember Dabo said that drafting Deshaun Watson is the equivalent of drafting Michael Jordan.

Speaker 19 If you pass on this guy, you're passing on Michael Jordan.

Speaker 18 And for like a season and a half, Dabo was right.

Speaker 32 His last year in Houston in 2020, 4,800 yards, 33 touchdowns, seven picks, quarterback rating of 112. Like, he had a really good season.
They were just four and 12.

Speaker 32 But then after that, you look at what he did in last year at Cleveland, seven touchdowns, five picks.

Speaker 10 I don't believe there's

Speaker 10 five touchdowns, three picks.

Speaker 7 I don't believe there's been a story like it in the history of that sport. Not one like that, where it's like, oh, that was going to be great at quarterback.

Speaker 10 And, ooh, uh.

Speaker 7 And every choice he made after that swallowed him in a way. Man, can you imagine having that? Just everywhere you go publicly, everyone's looking at you and they're like, you're a deviant.

Speaker 7 You used to be this thing.

Speaker 10 You're a rock star.

Speaker 18 Are you trying to get me to feel bad for him?

Speaker 7 No, no, I'm just telling you that that's what's happened at a position I've never seen it happen before.

Speaker 17 It happens all the time.

Speaker 30 It's happening to the same franchise in Houston.

Speaker 10 Maybe we should ask Justin Tucker.

Speaker 25 It's happening to C.J. Stroud.

Speaker 17 Do you not remember Kyler Murray's first season?

Speaker 19 It happens in the league now.

Speaker 7 It does.

Speaker 17 You say it happened to Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 21 It happened to Sam Darnold. They were lucky enough to dig themselves out of it.

Speaker 32 Not this way, though, is what Dance Lee is.

Speaker 7 5,000 yards, 33, and 7 is you're going to be a star for 10 years.

Speaker 2 Tua led the league in passing.

Speaker 30 He was elite, but it's happening a hell of a lot more in the league these days.

Speaker 7 Fine. Moving on to a couple of other subjects I wanted to get to.
Do you believe that Elle Duncan, I want everyone to make this assessment for themselves. Elle Duncan, we are thrilled for her.

Speaker 7 Really happy. She's going to Netflix.
She's a star. She's obviously a star.
She's been a star for a long time. Big enough to leave ESPN and go to Netflix to be the face of their coverage.

Speaker 7 Do you think she's leaving ESPN because

Speaker 7 what Kendrick Perkins had to say?

Speaker 7 And of all the shocking things that Kendrick Perkin has had to, Perkins has had to say, you guys tell me where exactly this ranks on the list of things when you think about, look at you smiling before

Speaker 7 it started.

Speaker 26 I love this clip so much I mean this was a few weeks ago right this is a few weeks ago and Elle had you know they're doing their their coverage they're talking NBA on sports center right and Elle's obviously hosting and she's got Kendrick Perkins on and they're doing the split screen and he's like sitting there giving real analysis for like four five six minutes or what have you and then finally we get to a place where you know like it's it's time to say goodbye, right?

Speaker 26 It's time to say goodbye to Perk. And, you know, Perk's gotta, he's gotta light lighten the mood a little bit.

Speaker 18 What did he say?

Speaker 7 No, I don't think you want to know what he had to say because on

Speaker 7 Perk's list of things,

Speaker 7 as a public orator, Chris Cody's looking for the sound, but he's been too busy just being lazy with Thanksgiving sounds. So he told me before the segment started, I'll have this perk sound for you.

Speaker 7 Now he's looking for it because he's been eating too much turkey.

Speaker 7 How many curses has he thrown out there back there with you guys as we've been filibustering? You told me to go to Perk, did you not? Perk on Shador.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 32 What he said, Dan, Dan, really quick, if I may add, he said, why do you need an Ibu propho and you can have a perk?

Speaker 8 Which was a bar.

Speaker 29 It was a berk. It was a bar.

Speaker 7 But what did Perk have to say about Shadur Sanders?

Speaker 37 Shadur Sanders is the most powerful

Speaker 37 black man

Speaker 37 since 2009.

Speaker 37 You know what happened in 2009?

Speaker 37 That's when President Obama got elected in office. You said you were sitting there watching the game in your house and what you did,

Speaker 37 you ran with the TV.

Speaker 10 God damn it right out of it.

Speaker 37 What was you doing, DB?

Speaker 10 I was cheering. I was having fun.

Speaker 37 You was cheering like a mother.

Speaker 37 When Shadua Sanders is on the field, and when I say powerful, powerful because it's two sides of it, right? Think about it. Okay, you got the black community.

Speaker 37 He bringing the whole black community together.

Speaker 37 I ain't ran across one black person that didn't say one bad thing about Shaddua.

Speaker 10 We won't even.

Speaker 37 And guess what? Not one, because he has the balance. He has the balance of that, i'm arrogant but i'm humble too yeah he had fun with that he having fun with this

Speaker 37 and on top of that y'all want me to say it ain't y'all want me to feel it ain't gonna happen yeah he talking

Speaker 37 he's the most powerful black man in sports no other no other matter of fact black man he the most powerful player in sports

Speaker 7 I mean we're going to talk to Jamal Hill about everything happening around Shador Sanders because it is interesting to watch. It really is interesting to watch.

Speaker 7 And the rallying around Shador Sanders, because he represents, well, you tried to break his father when his father came through. We really like Deion Sanders, who's, you know.

Speaker 7 You saw what happened around Colorado last year and what the party was around Colorado.

Speaker 7 And now college football will spit out Deion Sanders because he will not be able to do the things that he did in elevating his son and Travis Hunter to the top of that sport.

Speaker 7 And so now there's an emotional rallying around

Speaker 7 around these people, the Sanders family, of you will not break arrogance.

Speaker 7 You will not crush our star.

Speaker 7 What are you laughing about, Zaslow?

Speaker 26 I'm just laughing.

Speaker 7 Like,

Speaker 26 here's my problem with these podcasts, with the players like Kendrick Perkins on. I don't think it was his podcast.

Speaker 19 He's laughing because it was the most ridiculous thing he'd ever heard.

Speaker 18 No,

Speaker 26 my problem is.

Speaker 26 There's multiple other people in that room with Kendrick Perkins. And it's just nothing but agreeing with the statement that he's the most popular,

Speaker 30 the most powerful black man in the world.

Speaker 18 That's former athlete podcast.

Speaker 26 I know. That's what I'm saying.
There's not one person.

Speaker 26 Let me think on that first time.

Speaker 18 Do you want to walk this one back a little bit?

Speaker 9 I'm glad we're talking to Jamil because I don't know that we have the room to answer this question.

Speaker 20 No, I'm curious to see if she acknowledges if this is a thing or not.

Speaker 7 The symbol for black excellence is something the Deion Sanders family has been carrying around through sports and hardship for a long time.

Speaker 32 It feels like Dion is more powerful than his son is, right?

Speaker 7 Well, he got to. Look, he got...

Speaker 7 Man.

Speaker 19 So you disagree that Shadora Sanders is the most powerful person in sports?

Speaker 38 I think he's not even the most powerful person in his own family.

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Speaker 5 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 11 I think I would have been on his side.

Speaker 29 I would have looked at you like, what did you say?

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, me and my friend, the rest of of the way home, all we kept saying was, I ain't cheating.

Speaker 28 Stugats.

Speaker 8 It's like, I think you got your ass.

Speaker 7 I think he got your ass.

Speaker 10 I got his ass.

Speaker 4 Hey, Chris, Chris won this one for sure.

Speaker 5 Not pathetic,

Speaker 5 Jeremy.

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Speaker 28 This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

Speaker 7 Okay, this is one of the things I didn't want to get here with this, but

Speaker 7 the pull of Deion Sanders as a representative for defiant athletic excellence that will not bow in face of anything.

Speaker 7 For his son to now come through the league and on a whole assortment of people making comparisons, no lie, I've heard it too much over the last 10 years, of Shador being held back in some way because of what the league or how the league did Kaepernick.

Speaker 7 Like, you can see a whole bunch of things in the shadow. When Kaepernick happens that way,

Speaker 7 you can find conspiracy in a number of different ways if you have all of your race biases and you can find that Shador Sanders is being wronged by a league who doesn't want black excellence to succeed.

Speaker 7 So he becomes a symbol and an avatar for something, him and his dad.

Speaker 8 Yeah, no, he definitely became the symbol.

Speaker 38 The president of the United States was saying, what are teams doing?

Speaker 27 The guy's on the board. Go ahead and draft him.

Speaker 26 He took a victory lap over the weekend over Shatur's performance.

Speaker 8 You should,

Speaker 18 given his take.

Speaker 7 He's just modern-day Tebow, is what I'm saying. Just like you like to say, FSU is the equivalent of what's happening with religious evangelicals, Christian evangelicals.

Speaker 7 You realize that Shador Sanders is modern-day Tebow? Just something to talk about because he's super famous, super hugely famous.

Speaker 19 He represents a cause, and I think we're out of our depth on it, and so we'll talk to Jamel.

Speaker 15 But I should probably acknowledge what True said about FSU and Evangelical.

Speaker 24 Yeah, what was that?

Speaker 22 So you remember when FSU got shut out of the CFP and it was unfair?

Speaker 18 Of course I do.

Speaker 22 Like they won't let you forget it.

Speaker 11 Something happened then.

Speaker 10 Something happened then.

Speaker 11 Not just the trajectory of FSU, Arrow pointed down ever since then, but they got weird.

Speaker 15 They're very strange online and it was a traumatic event.

Speaker 25 I get it.

Speaker 19 And so privately, I liken it to like when evangelical Christians saw a black president.

Speaker 15 And then the country just kind of went in the direction that it did.

Speaker 20 That was something that forever changed FSU fans.

Speaker 19 And now they're just stuck in this really strange, culty place where they think every conversation's about them, but it isn't.

Speaker 11 No one really thinks about them.

Speaker 27 They think they move the needle.

Speaker 19 No one cares, but they are the center of every conversation around college football that exists.

Speaker 30 Lane Kiffin, no, let's talk about FSU. And I understand I follow a fair amount of FSU media, and in part, they're doing their job.

Speaker 7 There's a lot of it, too, incidentally.

Speaker 7 FSU, the following that this program has for 20 years of finishing finishing in the top five makes it one of the like they want to believe they're one of the powers in the sport because they have been.

Speaker 30 They do. I saw Bud Elliott, who is a great follower, does good work.

Speaker 18 And as someone that also is like a propagandist for his program, I'm down with it.

Speaker 29 I get it.

Speaker 8 But Bud put out a video in which he's like, this bringing Mike Norvell back sends a message to the big 10 in SEC.

Speaker 23 Hey, come get us.

Speaker 20 And ACC, pay us more.

Speaker 16 What?

Speaker 21 Dude, you got like two ACC wins in the last three years.

Speaker 19 This is crazy.

Speaker 42 The Big Ten?

Speaker 10 No one's thinking about you right now.

Speaker 42 If anyone's seeing that, it's not even a headline given everything that's in the coaching carousel.

Speaker 21 Like, you have to remind people.

Speaker 22 No, FSU made a formal decision to bring Mike Norvell back.

Speaker 29 Why?

Speaker 5 Well, they're flat broke, pal. Like, that's what it is.

Speaker 29 And they know that where they stack up with all the available jobs is they're not going to get a good guy to fill that role this season because they're a bit of a joke right now.

Speaker 11 and it's going to take them some years digging themselves out of this.

Speaker 42 And we mentioned this yesterday.

Speaker 27 Go back to when they got shut out and we were over there pounding the table.

Speaker 25 They should be in there.

Speaker 22 The regular season should matter.

Speaker 27 It's a theme that has been consistent with me anyways.

Speaker 11 But I told you, this is a house of cards.

Speaker 7 Okay, the Seminoles were 13-0 two years ago, okay? And the collapse shouldn't go to 2-10 the season after that. But I do understand the history of the place.

Speaker 7 And when you consider culti campus communities,

Speaker 7 Saszlo visits them every weekend. Culti-campus communities.

Speaker 7 Do you understand how FSU comes by generationally as the rulers of the ACC, a weak ACC, but no one questioned what was at the top of it?

Speaker 7 FSU knows that for 20 straight years,

Speaker 7 top five. at the end of the season, they think they are the SEC.

Speaker 7 They think that they deserve to be treated with their history as one of the greats in college football because that's Alabama before Alabama without the titles. It's 20 straight years of top fives.

Speaker 7 They think they're one of the big programs and they got left behind in two years.

Speaker 7 Left behind in two years.

Speaker 20 Which is odd.

Speaker 19 Granted, Miami hasn't been 13-0 good.

Speaker 15 Miami hasn't won an ACC championship with its backup quarterback good.

Speaker 15 Hell, Miami's been to the ACC championship once, but I watched what happened with them and they've gone a little nutty and not and not just by a little.

Speaker 18 And I'm like, man, if miami gets shut out of this cfp for the love of god i can't become that because that's embarrassing

Speaker 21 to be this to think that you're the central focus of the college football world when you're an absolute joke no one no one cares no one cares about florida state university you have to make people care you made them care two years ago the whole world has left you in the dust you were trailing behind and you thought you were smarter than everybody else despite every single warning that your opposition laid out in front of you.

Speaker 21 And you kept thinking that your way was the right way.

Speaker 30 And now they're rationalizing this move as thinking it's the right way too.

Speaker 11 And I'm just a little bit sad because I don't hate FSU.

Speaker 27 I respect them as a rival.

Speaker 21 I love the game. And they've just gone crazy.

Speaker 27 Like an old aunt that just went on Facebook and started doom scrolling and made it her identity. It's crazy what's happened with them.

Speaker 9 You know, Steve Spurrier has more ACC championships than the University of Miami?

Speaker 19 You know, Steve Spurrier never beat the University of Miami as a player or coach.

Speaker 24 It's cool.

Speaker 7 That is like UM Tourette, you have.

Speaker 21 That

Speaker 18 disarmed his ass real well.

Speaker 10 He was down the propaganda list. He's got to go halfway down.

Speaker 10 I see your tweets too, pal.

Speaker 30 I see your tweets too, pal. You want to invoke a guy that is a career loser against Miami?

Speaker 24 Cool.

Speaker 7 You didn't even let

Speaker 7 the stat sit.

Speaker 24 That's why I'm a minister of war.

Speaker 7 Steve Spurrier.

Speaker 21 Notice he didn't say defense, Dan.

Speaker 23 He said war. That's offense.

Speaker 10 Sis war.

Speaker 32 He had a bar earlier to washoose him, by the way, which was unreal.

Speaker 16 Yeah, it's a famous quote about war.

Speaker 27 It was great.

Speaker 16 I've been googling famous quotes about war.

Speaker 7 Well, speaking of which, thank you, because I have this disagreement off-air with Stephen A. Smith

Speaker 7 about right and left and right and wrong. And

Speaker 7 I want to talk to Stephen A.

Speaker 7 a little more before I discuss some of the things publicly. No, and I'm not happy with him for a number of different reasons.

Speaker 7 So, like, that have to do,

Speaker 7 Mike Ryan tried to protect,

Speaker 7 I guess, me for, I thought it would be least insulting to stay that Stephen A. Smith is a useful tool.

Speaker 26 No, Mike jumped right in.

Speaker 10 No, but I tried to protect you because

Speaker 15 you were taking some of that responsibility off of his shoulders and you were speaking for Stephen A.

Speaker 18 And it just wasn't right.

Speaker 11 And Stephen A has come out publicly and kind of co-signed what I said, which is like, you don't speak for me.

Speaker 21 We don't agree.

Speaker 27 I'm not a victim.

Speaker 8 I'm not being used.

Speaker 7 Right. He's not being used and he knows what he's doing, allegedly, right? Right up until you do that to Jasmine Crock and then have to apologize.
And then you don't know what you're doing, right?

Speaker 7 Because you apologize. So you didn't know what you were doing on how it is you got used as a useful tool there? Or you did know.

Speaker 7 So, but I want to talk to him more about this privately before I have a public fight.

Speaker 7 I don't think these things, I don't think I talked about it well a few weeks ago when these fights become instead of Trump's on McAfee, it's, oh, look, Beatle and Kerry Champion and Stephen A are fighting over here.

Speaker 7 Or instead of, you know,

Speaker 7 again, Trump's on McAfee, it's not political, but it becomes us fighting with each other in public, the minorities fighting with each other in public.

Speaker 7 I'd like to talk to him a little bit about this particular thing before I talk about it more publicly, and I will at some point,

Speaker 7 because

Speaker 7 I don't actually want to ruin a relationship or a friendship over something that gets said here that I haven't said to him, because he does me the courtesy, whenever he's critical of me, he does me the courtesy of telling me it's coming.

Speaker 7 And so he tries to talk it out with me, and I want to talk to him about it before I go any further.

Speaker 7 But I regret how I talked about that Beatles Beatles stuff because it's just, then the black woman gets trampled at the bottom of that and it's Trump on McAfee.

Speaker 7 Like, I don't want to lose quite that way publicly.

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