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Speaker 14 Where is he?

Speaker 5 It seems so. He's here.
He's getting makeup, but it was a rush. The traffic seemed to get him today.

Speaker 15 Oh, he's coming in.

Speaker 16 He's snarling.

Speaker 17 He's coming.

Speaker 18 He just came in.

Speaker 16 He's coming in snarling, late again.

Speaker 18 I'm saying at this point, what is

Speaker 5 sweeping off his seat? What is anger?

Speaker 21 What is the anger at whom?

Speaker 13 I don't know.

Speaker 19 In traffic, what is the percentage of times, Asla, that you would guess that Cody, since you've been around, is on time?

Speaker 26 What percentage?

Speaker 1 I would say 20%, one out of five. Please.

Speaker 27 90%.

Speaker 29 I really don't understand what happened.

Speaker 19 I got word on a text that you were going to be here at 8.10 in the morning, and then you're just walking in right now.

Speaker 33 A couple wrong turns.

Speaker 34 50 minutes after that.

Speaker 17 So do you have any excuses, explanations?

Speaker 18 Why did you text us that you were going to be in at 8.10?

Speaker 36 What are you smiling about now?

Speaker 27 I mean, I texted my initial estimate was 8.16.

Speaker 27 Never 6.10, 8.16.

Speaker 5 This to me feels exactly like the PFPI controversy from yesterday. Whereas maybe the traffic is mostly to blame, but there's a little look in the mirror of like, maybe I should leave a little earlier.

Speaker 38 No, no, there's got to be a smidgen of blame.

Speaker 21 He doesn't want to do the blame to him.

Speaker 18 He hasn't changed any part of his routine.

Speaker 18 But I want to ask the question again, because I pointed out yesterday that Spotify sent us that big, heavy trophy saying we had 100 million streams last year.

Speaker 23 And I will say again, that's just Spotify.

Speaker 20 We're on in a lot of different places.

Speaker 31 We're a big show.

Speaker 13 Tell me all the other big shows where Ryan Clark walks onto the set seven minutes after the show has started.

Speaker 5 In my guess my dad's defense, I did see Cam Newton walking onto the first take set last week.

Speaker 44 I saw that too.

Speaker 15 About like 10 minutes late.

Speaker 27 Right. And we start wearing hats like Cam Newton.

Speaker 5 There you go. Maybe that's the punishment.
He dresses like Cam Newton next week.

Speaker 32 You know what, though?

Speaker 46 I understand when Cam Newton does that once.

Speaker 35 You said you've seen it once.

Speaker 13 Right, it was the first time.

Speaker 48 I've rarely seen it happen with anybody.

Speaker 1 There was the one time Stephen A. Smith was running alongside the Seaport Studios, remember?

Speaker 29 But these are one, like to your point.

Speaker 32 One time. Yeah.

Speaker 27 You know, this is something that people can relate to. You know, that's why people love me so much because,

Speaker 27 look, in real life,

Speaker 27 sometimes you're tardy, not always on time.

Speaker 31 I know, but Zaszlo just guessed that you're on time 20% of the time since he's been here.

Speaker 18 I doubt that's happening with Cam Newton.

Speaker 35 He wouldn't be on first take anymore if it were happening with Cam Newton.

Speaker 27 He'd be on second take if he demoted.

Speaker 54 Well, you see, when it's jokes like that that you get, you gotta be, you gotta tolerate talent when it gets here.

Speaker 55 You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Isn't 8.30 technically on time for us?

Speaker 5 If 8.30 is the number, it's way less than 20%.

Speaker 27 You should start at 9, quite frankly.

Speaker 18 But 8.30 is when the rest of us are here.

Speaker 27 Well, normally I am. Normally I beat you in.

Speaker 59 No, not normally.

Speaker 5 Normally is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

Speaker 27 I think normally I beat you in here. You know, you live a minute and a half away.
I live a mile

Speaker 27 hour and a half away based on Miami traffic. If you think I'm going to leave my house at 5:30 to get here, you've had another thing coming.

Speaker 13 Was that a hi-hat?

Speaker 60 This is the Don Labatar Show with the Stew Gats Podcast.

Speaker 61 We've talked for a while around here about how time got sort of distorted at the start of the pandemic.

Speaker 34 But if you use that as a landmark and we went back right to the start of the pandemic and I told you, do you think it's possible in any circumstance where the greatest player in soccer would be playing in Miami at the top of his game

Speaker 36 for the championship in Miami and that would happen quietly?

Speaker 18 Could you have imagined a scenario, could you have concocted an imaginary scenario where Messi would play well and have his team within a game of the championship against Vancouver, and it happens quietly?

Speaker 1 You don't think that, and this has been the case for a few years now with Inter Miami, you don't think they've done an extremely poor job at

Speaker 1 the promotion of their team?

Speaker 33 They promoted Messi very well.

Speaker 25 It's been promoted all over town.

Speaker 18 I have felt the promotion of Messi everywhere.

Speaker 20 I have not felt the talk about this team and its championship chasing everywhere.

Speaker 1 But Dan, how many times has Inner Miami come to you and say, you know, can we get someone on your show? Can we talk about it? How many times in the history of them existing here?

Speaker 32 Yeah, but I...

Speaker 13 I'm going to guess probably zero.

Speaker 22 Okay, it's right.

Speaker 17 It's zero times, but I also think that's less important than it's ever been.

Speaker 36 I think at this point,

Speaker 20 I don't think that these teams in general need the support of local media.

Speaker 69 They need support of their partners, but local media is not something.

Speaker 35 Look, I've seen at the games the way that the local media press seats have gone from courtside to the teams all realizing, oh, wait a minute, that's very expensive seating.

Speaker 47 Let's put the local reporters up somewhere else where they're not close to the action.

Speaker 72 Dan, you mentioned partners, and

Speaker 77 we've talked about putting their entire season behind a paywall at Apple and how that subscription service failed miserably to the point that Apple's doing away with that, and it just comes with your Apple TV.

Speaker 43 But not only do you get fewer eyes on your product, you lose a partnership.

Speaker 72 This is a cup final that used to be on ESBN back in the day.

Speaker 63 You at least get some daytime programming dedicated to promotion.

Speaker 79 ESBN, remember when Versus was a thing and the NHL went away from ESBN?

Speaker 73 The NHL essentially almost died because they were largely ignored by the worldwide leader.

Speaker 33 And now, Messi and MLS are totally ignored by cable sports programming networks.

Speaker 21 You mentioned the correct thing when you said baseball and hockey suffered from what used to be the biggest and only alternative, ESPN.

Speaker 29 We've had a lot change, though, in the last five years.

Speaker 33 And one of the things that I think has changed is these leaders in sports don't actually know how to react to a shifting tectonic change.

Speaker 18 And NBC is doing it very well.

Speaker 21 I've never seen Carmelo, Tracy McGrady, and Vince Carter on a pregame set.

Speaker 69 That's three Hall of Famers.

Speaker 35 I've never seen it before.

Speaker 31 So it's a golden age of sports television money.

Speaker 69 Last night on NBC for a regular season game, they had three Hall of Famers on the set, and it's something that I have never seen for a pregame show before because Hall of Famers generally don't do that.

Speaker 21 Or if they do that, it's Scotty Pippen who does it poorly, and everyone at ESPN is excited to have him around.

Speaker 47 But when you talk about how it's shifted there with leadership, what's also shifted is the coverage of it is so bad.

Speaker 69 For example, I'll give you an example, an easy example, but it's something that nobody's covering. It's being reported that the Bill Simmons move to Netflix is a hugely positive thing.

Speaker 28 And I think I understand that, why it would be reported that way.

Speaker 69 I assure you, Bill Simmons is not happy about that.

Speaker 66 He's an employee.

Speaker 58 He works for Spotify.

Speaker 35 They've done something to put his audience behind a paywall.

Speaker 47 He's worked very hard to build that audience.

Speaker 21 He has an idea of what what kind of damage that can do to an audience.

Speaker 36 And

Speaker 35 what Apple and MLS and Messi underestimated is they thought, well, if it's Messi and Apple, surely there's enough money there to make all of that work.

Speaker 65 But we have a championship being played here.

Speaker 69 The playoff format is terrible.

Speaker 20 You can't go months playing the playoffs and you can't go weeks without a game. That's ridiculous.

Speaker 83 Like you can't do that.

Speaker 85 But beyond that, that's not the primary problem because we'd wait for football.

Speaker 58 Even if football was doing it that way, we would wait for American football.

Speaker 69 The best player in soccer, the best player ever is playing at the top of his game.

Speaker 10 He's dominating the sport, and that can't happen quietly.

Speaker 6 You don't have a promo on Monday Night Football saying the MLS Cup is this weekend.

Speaker 24 During the big game of Ohio State and Michigan, you don't see promotion for the eventual MLS Cup final.

Speaker 81 I understand that it still needed to be sorted there.

Speaker 73 But Fox and FS1, say what you will about their daytime programming, I don't know if Nick Wright's Wright's going to dedicate any of his show time to, hey, we have the MLS Cup.

Speaker 77 Spoiler, no.

Speaker 68 On Network Fox.

Speaker 81 The big thing about losing a partner like ESBN is, and MLS has data to suggest whenever they did these big pieces about Zlatan and El Trafico, those MLS games would do numbers.

Speaker 86 It's not on people's radar.

Speaker 72 They're so totally unaware because conventional sports in this country, the two biggest ones, pro football and college football, are not promoting it.

Speaker 77 This is why the ESPN-WWE partnership is actually a good thing, not just because of all the money that they've made, but they've normalized talking about wrestling on daytime programming.

Speaker 77 MLS, in going over to Apple and taking the most money available to them, actually hurt their product because of awareness to the casual sports fan.

Speaker 1 It's a good example. I mean, Stephanie McMahon was on ESPN radio yesterday.
How many times this year do you think anyone related to MLS has been on any kind of ESPN players?

Speaker 18 So there's a language issue, right?

Speaker 20 Messi is a notoriously bad interview in any language, but especially in English.

Speaker 18 Cody, you know this is a historic game.

Speaker 51 You've described this as a historic game.

Speaker 85 Yes.

Speaker 25 History doesn't happen quietly.

Speaker 54 Yeah, I don't think that's historic. I don't think it's a historic game.

Speaker 27 I think it's historic because soccer, pro-soccer, has been around in this town since the early 70s, and a half a century later, they're on the cusp of winning a championship.

Speaker 27 I think that's what makes it historic.

Speaker 1 It should be an historic game.

Speaker 27 It should be. It should be.
Yes, for sure. But let's be honest.

Speaker 27 MLS Cup is drowned out by the NFL chugging toward its playoffs, by the college football playoff and all the controversy and debate around that. It just gets lost.

Speaker 27 And magnified by that is the fact that Leon Messi is unlike any other athlete in the world. He is his own industry.
He's in a cocoon. He's not available to anybody.

Speaker 27 Under normal circumstances, Leon Messi right now would be doing interviews. He would be doing Spanish TV.

Speaker 1 Did he used to do interviews when he played overseas?

Speaker 13 Like right before he came in?

Speaker 22 Interviews with him are rare and

Speaker 21 usually not very interesting.

Speaker 83 He doesn't, he doesn't, there's not a lot of access.

Speaker 81 You don't need an interview to make Messi interesting. He's interesting because, to many, he's the greatest to ever do it.
And he's astonishing when you watch him.

Speaker 75 He captivates you with his play.

Speaker 59 And universally agreed, the greatest player to ever play in that league by a wide margin.

Speaker 75 The story writes itself.

Speaker 6 The problem is, no one's telling you the story.

Speaker 35 50 years ago, it was Pele at the end of his career making soccer matter in New York, and he was bad.

Speaker 61 He wasn't any good at that point in his career.

Speaker 30 The point that Cody makes, though, is a good one.

Speaker 18 When you're a growing league, this happened with the WNBA, you can't play your championship games when important American football games are being played.

Speaker 66 Like you can't have important playoff games in the middle of a Sunday when

Speaker 21 everybody who cares about sports is watching something else.

Speaker 52 Right.

Speaker 87 Yes,

Speaker 27 you can't do that. And look, Messi is appreciated by people who know soccer.

Speaker 73 How about

Speaker 27 you make him known to people who don't know soccer that well?

Speaker 77 Everybody, like if you go up to anyone in the world and name one soccer player, it's either Messi or Reddit.

Speaker 35 He's been promoted a ton.

Speaker 85 Look, I don't think...

Speaker 36 I think I've got this right.

Speaker 88 I don't think there's ever been a player locally that I see plastered around town, everywhere, like restaurants in little Haiti, just

Speaker 69 more than messy.

Speaker 86 Number one for athletes, for sure.

Speaker 63 Number two in the market behind Andajar and Levine.

Speaker 69 They have sold Messi plenty.

Speaker 71 This is not a sales problem.

Speaker 32 I don't know it is.

Speaker 35 I don't believe it's a promotion problem.

Speaker 48 I believe it's more scheduling and

Speaker 22 it's more paywall.

Speaker 63 Paywall ties into the promotion in that you don't have a big-time partner that is known by sports fans.

Speaker 80 No one's going to Apple TV for sports, really.

Speaker 72 No one knows that as a destination.

Speaker 63 They don't have dedicated programming to promote those events.

Speaker 81 So I think that is a huge misstep.

Speaker 79 They don't have ESPN. If I'm MLS, I say, Messi, you have to go to first take.

Speaker 81 Someone, you have to do that.

Speaker 13 No, but my.

Speaker 77 MLS Cup, Taylor Twelman, someone help us.

Speaker 44 Yes.

Speaker 35 My point, though, is that I could put Luis Suarez on first take as a controversial polarizing figure.

Speaker 90 The paywall problem is

Speaker 84 a bigger problem.

Speaker 54 The paywall. Why can't Beckham do something?

Speaker 91 The football, you can get your football for free.

Speaker 69 You can be broke and get football. You can do that.

Speaker 34 You simply cannot do that with Messi.

Speaker 78 No, you can't do that with soccer in this country.

Speaker 81 If you want to be a soccer fan in this country and follow all the leagues around the world, you are...

Speaker 63 paying through the nose on this stuff. But again, it's promotion, promotion, promotion.

Speaker 75 I know this is probably too much soccer already for our audience, but on Friday, it's a huge soccer day because you have

Speaker 79 the national soccer media descending upon Miami because MLS Cup is here.

Speaker 73 It's Messi versus Mueller, Vancouver versus Miami.

Speaker 77 I think that's a big game.

Speaker 12 But also on Friday is a World Cup draw emanating from Washington, D.C.

Speaker 77 So we'll have Tom Bogart, who is the number one U.S.

Speaker 15 soccer.

Speaker 72 Well, you will on Friday. He's the number one U.S.

Speaker 81 soccer insider, and he'll just be around here on Friday to help answer some of these questions for us.

Speaker 1 In a year from now, more promotion around the city.

Speaker 1 If we could fast forward in a year from now, more promotion around the city. Leonal Messi or Davion Mitchell?

Speaker 78 That's a great question.

Speaker 72 Guys, you can't make this all about promotion they have the best player there's ever been uh if not at the height of his powers not appreciably declining in the performance of the play that you're watching uh you know an important game three assists and a goal you're i don't think there's anyone in this studio or in our audience that knew this game was on network fox before i said i i did not i did not put it on the poll at lebittard show did you know the ms mls final was on network fox this weekend but if we're going to do before we get to yet more soccer, because it's a championship game and it's okay, we'll get to the University of Miami stuff in a second.

Speaker 70 What happened with them?

Speaker 61 I'm sure people are tired of that one as well.

Speaker 62 But I'd just like to quiz Chris and Roy here just as local sports fans.

Speaker 36 Are you familiar with, could you get either one of the nicknames for either Inter Miami or Vancouver?

Speaker 20 Could you tell me what their

Speaker 69 nicknames are instead of?

Speaker 64 The Herons for Inter Miami? Yeah.

Speaker 13 Could they White Caps? Glad Roy went.

Speaker 70 The Herons and the White Caps.

Speaker 50 That is correct.

Speaker 32 Yep, we both alleged.

Speaker 13 You get the White Caps.

Speaker 32 We both knew that.

Speaker 37 Or would have gotten White Caps.

Speaker 27 The Vancouver White Caps have been the Vancouver White Caps dating back to the NASL days in the Middle Ages.

Speaker 40 So he cheated.

Speaker 73 They didn't cheat.

Speaker 32 What are you talking about?

Speaker 81 Their official name is Vancouver Whitecaps.

Speaker 89 Yeah, they have a white capital. The Herons are a nickname.

Speaker 73 Vancouver White Caps are an official name.

Speaker 43 Yeah.

Speaker 29 I don't understand the distinction.

Speaker 15 There is a distinction.

Speaker 10 That's spoiled. Yeah.

Speaker 13 Because there's a distinction.

Speaker 59 Because they're not the Inner Miami herons, they're just Inner Miami.

Speaker 45 Yeah, everyone knows that's their

Speaker 77 heron on everyone knows, yeah, everyone knows that Inner Miami is a heron, that's their thing, it's in their logo.

Speaker 33 I mean, the official name of the team is right behind you.

Speaker 79 I guarantee you Spanish, if you polled most people in America, they don't know that those are actually herons, they would say flamingos, yeah, or ibises, they would have to say,

Speaker 50 they might have guessed ibises.

Speaker 1 Those aren't the same thing.

Speaker 13 Uh, put it on the poll at Lebatar Show: Are herons

Speaker 92 are herons, uh, ibises and cranes and flamingos.

Speaker 22 The same thing.

Speaker 22 The same thing.

Speaker 89 I think they are. Put it on the poll as well.

Speaker 5 There's a lot of cranes around that stadium in Miami.

Speaker 14 At Lebatard Show. Yeah,

Speaker 55 I think they should be the Inner Miami cranes.

Speaker 88 Yes.

Speaker 90 Put it on the poll as well.

Speaker 18 At Lebatard Show.

Speaker 71 Did you know Inner Miami was the Herons?

Speaker 14 And did you know Vancouver was the Whitecaps?

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Speaker 39 You're saying, Mike, I'm stunned to hear you pull the parachute on too much soccer talk after 20 minutes when there's a championship game that Greg Cody is calling historic.

Speaker 42 But let's go to Zaz here as the official decider on big game or not a big game.

Speaker 14 We're bringing in a soccer expert to our studios, so we're not talking about whether they're called the Herons or the White Cops, and we're talking about this more intelligently.

Speaker 18 Big game or not big game, Friday, the White Caps against the Herons.

Speaker 1 Well, the game's going to be played on Saturday, Dan. So if you tune in Friday, you may miss it.

Speaker 1 Inter Miami, Vancouver,

Speaker 1 Drive Pink Stadium.

Speaker 37 It's not called that anymore. Okay.

Speaker 27 Hasn't been for a couple of years.

Speaker 1 Chase. Right across the street from empty graffitied warehouses.

Speaker 5 Hannawendy's.

Speaker 1 The MLS Championship. Also known as the MLS Cup.

Speaker 27 Usually known as the MLS Cup.

Speaker 1 Lionel Messi

Speaker 1 and them boys versus the white caps and them boys.

Speaker 96 I'm going big game.

Speaker 1 I have been out on Intermiami, but I'm going to be in Atlanta this weekend for the SC Championship, and I'm going to make sure that I watch it. So if I'm watching it, that's a big game.

Speaker 57 Big game. That's right.
Yo, chicken thigh. We're not going to watch it.

Speaker 57 We're not going to watch it.

Speaker 57 You're out of Miami.

Speaker 57 You're out of Miami because you guys didn't want to cover them or pay attention anymore. White caps and them boys.

Speaker 57 Come on.

Speaker 5 The white caps and them boys.

Speaker 53 They're either the white caps or them boys. They can't be the white caps and them boys.

Speaker 22 Them boys are the white caps.

Speaker 44 Thomas Mueller. There's like one.

Speaker 1 No, but there's like one, and he's like the main one. Thomas Mueller's off Vancouver.

Speaker 5 He is.

Speaker 45 That's funny.

Speaker 52 Don't look up his record against Messi head to head.

Speaker 21 So last night.

Speaker 69 Last night,

Speaker 30 the committee committee got together and the wet sock came out again.

Speaker 36 And I believe he said the thing that should give Miami fans hope.

Speaker 28 I do believe that all of this is stupid.

Speaker 62 I believe we all are in agreement that NCAA leadership, such that it is, has been terrible for a long time.

Speaker 34 And this manifestation of it is the worst.

Speaker 30 And I'm kind of rooting for Duke to win because then they'll just stop doing it.

Speaker 65 Like if Duke, if Duke make, if Duke wins the ACC Championship and beats Virginia and gets into this playoff scenario with

Speaker 49 five losses.

Speaker 81 There's a good chance that they don't because they won't be ranked.

Speaker 86 And then James Madison would make it.

Speaker 81 Then you have James Madison and whoever

Speaker 81 to Lane in North Texas.

Speaker 5 Duke wins and the Dukes get in.

Speaker 40 It's just chaos and

Speaker 25 it's dumb.

Speaker 20 Look, this is what I know about sports.

Speaker 18 And I know obviously people are going to accuse us of bias because we feel like the Miami team is wronged.

Speaker 21 But what I do know about sports is that people do have at least the illusion that it's supposed to be a meritocracy.

Speaker 23 Like you could complain about the officiating and all sorts of things, but the scoreboard ends up telling the story that gives you finality.

Speaker 29 We have all sorts of imperfect measurement systems for our championships.

Speaker 85 All of them are imperfect. Basketball is the best, but all of them are imperfect.

Speaker 28 There's going to be possibly a champion of professional football this year that isn't actually the best team, is just the healthiest team at the end of the season that happens to win the game.

Speaker 23 One-game samples are not representative, but they're the best we've got.

Speaker 19 And so we have the illusion of merit being the reason.

Speaker 23 It's not judges, and I think so, and let's get this conference, let's get this athletic director to come out and try and talk for a month in front of the cameras more than he ever has, be more famous than he ever has, been, be more polarizing than he ever has been.

Speaker 21 Let's get this sound.

Speaker 66 I don't want to remember this person's name. I don't know what his nationality is.

Speaker 18 I don't know.

Speaker 43 He's a white man.

Speaker 89 Yeah, but his.

Speaker 79 As most administrators in that sport.

Speaker 75 With a hockey name.

Speaker 18 But his last name, I don't know what.

Speaker 85 Hunter Yurich.

Speaker 3 I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 69 I'm not going to say his name. I'm not going to give him this platform

Speaker 88 of knowing his name.

Speaker 21 But I think whatever the ethnicity is or the

Speaker 42 lineage is of that last name, the history of the last name, I think it stands for we're making this all up as we go along.

Speaker 91 Okay, here is a really important factor too, because you're still honoring head to head between Alabama and Oklahoma with the sooners being up, but it has not carried the day for Miami and Notre Dame.

Speaker 91 Neither Miami nor Notre Dame play anymore.

Speaker 91 Among the teams who are finished playing, do not play this week, can their order flip next Sunday in the final rankings, or is the order for the teams whose hay is in the barn, whose resume is complete, are they set in terms of where they are relative to one another?

Speaker 98 Great question, Reese. The management committee during the offseason provided some clarification to some comments that were made last year.

Speaker 98 And indeed, idle teams can move following the results of the championship games and how they impact the teams that are around those that play in the championship game and data such as strength of scheduled teams that may be idle.

Speaker 98 So yes, teams that are idle can move up or down

Speaker 66 i think that's going to replace the hello uh in terms of your evolving from your father and making noises and sounds meant to uh indicate the pleasure of being right

Speaker 47 I uh I will not feel any better about this system if Miami gets in, but he just said the thing that will allow you to watch for another week because all of this is just content to get you to the last 12 games when it becomes a beauty pageant.

Speaker 1 So Mike, you heard that last night and that made you feel good, right?

Speaker 80 If Texas Tech handles business, Miami's in.

Speaker 1 And only in meaning because BYU, I thought Miami's going to jump BYU last night, but if BYU loses again to Texas Tech, then you believe that Miami will then move ahead of BYU.

Speaker 77 I already know Jeremy's take on this, and I'll speak for him because I don't want to hear him talk.

Speaker 77 BYU is being done wrong here, and they're going to get penalized if they lose that conference title game.

Speaker 79 Normally, that is a credo of mine.

Speaker 43 You should not be hurt by losing your conference title game.

Speaker 73 It's a quality loss.

Speaker 5 But because it benefits Miami, you're changing your stance.

Speaker 45 Well, that's because there's another life principle that I have that all football guys should have.

Speaker 82 If you're tied in record and you played head-to-head, the chief tiebreaker is head-to-head.

Speaker 77 So if you're going to normalize that not mattering, we're going to go ahead and normalize losing in the conference game mattering.

Speaker 5 So just so we can clarify, if two teams played head-to-head in their season and they have the same record at at the end,

Speaker 5 and it's a matter of whether or not they should get into the college football playoff, head-to-head should be the deciding factor, correct?

Speaker 52 There are mitigating circumstances, though.

Speaker 5 So the mitigating circumstances are that last year when BYU beat SMU,

Speaker 5 you didn't think it should be the case, but this year, when it's Miami and Notre Dame, it should. And the reason is what?

Speaker 89 Head to head.

Speaker 45 BYU was not at all talked about last year in that cluster.

Speaker 4 Oh, because they weren't talked about.

Speaker 81 No, no, no, no, because they weren't talked about because they were not in that cluster.

Speaker 59 It was South Carolina, Miami, Alabama, and SMU.

Speaker 49 Thank you for participating. These are two losses.

Speaker 52 Thank you for participating.

Speaker 85 Now, it's really interesting, right?

Speaker 1 Okay, can I add, though, real quick here? Like,

Speaker 1 I think you're probably right that if BYU loses again, this time in the Big 12 championship, that Miami would jump them. But why should BYU get penalized there?

Speaker 1 And I'm not saying why should they get penalized for losing in their conference championship, which I do agree that they should not.

Speaker 1 But why would they get penalized for losing in their conference championship to a team we already know they're not as good as, meaning Texas Tech. They already lost it.
We know Texas Tech.

Speaker 78 I'll answer that question.

Speaker 80 They're being penalized or penalized, as you say,

Speaker 79 because the CFP basically admitted that they use buffer teams.

Speaker 75 That's why Alabama all of a sudden moved up ahead of Notre Dame.

Speaker 6 Yurichek said the hot debate in that room for weeks has been Alabama versus Notre Dame.

Speaker 79 Yeah, that's what the national media has been arguing about for a month.

Speaker 33 Way to read the room.

Speaker 77 The BYU is solely there, so they don't have Miami and Notre Dame side to side.

Speaker 1 Okay, so then it was bullshit, the whole talk about bullshit. Tears.
It doesn't matter if you're in the same tier then. It matters if you're next to each other.

Speaker 38 First off, tears weren't a thing.

Speaker 89 Right.

Speaker 82 Even though they told us they were. Then tears were a thing.

Speaker 38 Because we all learned about tears together after week one, after the first week of the CFP.

Speaker 37 But it's bullshit.

Speaker 81 Okay, so then Miami had to move up a couple of spots to be considered in the same tier.

Speaker 74 They move up a couple spots.

Speaker 82 They were compared directly, but Notre Dame's still better.

Speaker 52 That was the most recent thing that we've heard.

Speaker 73 And now tears are no longer a thing.

Speaker 82 I swear to God, I sound crazy.

Speaker 33 This is what they're saying.

Speaker 83 You say, you say, you call it bullshit.

Speaker 35 And I do believe most people listening to this would agree that they're making it all up as they go along.

Speaker 18 That is absolutely what is happening.

Speaker 79 This is what Bruce Feldman, one of the more respected voices,

Speaker 69 did he say the F-word last night on television?

Speaker 74 No, no, he was replying to a Kevin Clark tweet, to Miami Hurricanes cutting it up.

Speaker 21 This is all so bleeping stupid.

Speaker 79 They just keep making it up as they go along.

Speaker 75 It's like the CFP committee is going out of their way to show that the sport is run by morons.

Speaker 87 I agree. And yeah, I feel bad for BYU.

Speaker 52 BYU should probably be slotted ahead of these teams, but head-to-head, as Mario Chrisable likes to tell you, should matter.

Speaker 81 And you're starting to see the tide turn.

Speaker 79 You're starting to see Kirk Herbstree come out and say, no, Miami deserves to be in there.

Speaker 81 Nick Saban, say it.

Speaker 75 Greg McElroy, say it.

Speaker 72 I woke up this morning and Jessica Smetana was tweeting out FEI ratings.

Speaker 38 They're shook because they know what's going to happen.

Speaker 89 I feel so good this morning because I know that if Texas Tech, a 13 and a half point favorite, handles their business, Miami will be in over Notre Dame because.

Speaker 28 Head to head, Chris.

Speaker 23 Stop looking at your phone.

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Speaker 85 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 80 I think I would have been on his side.

Speaker 44 I would have went to you like, what did you say?

Speaker 10 I'm telling you, me and my friend, the rest of the way home, all we kept saying was, I ain't cheating.

Speaker 85 Stugats.

Speaker 10 It's like, why?

Speaker 13 Why did you get your ass?

Speaker 101 I think he got your ass.

Speaker 85 I got his ass.

Speaker 5 Hey, Chris won this one for sure.

Speaker 13 Not pathetic.

Speaker 5 Ballad, Jeremy. Ballad.

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Speaker 9 It's just wild to me that the BYU thing gets wiped away, right?

Speaker 5 Because this will be their fourth loss in two years. A thing that we're saying Miami, having four losses in two years without going to a conference championship game, will be in the position to do.

Speaker 5 And that's why they're this aggrieved party. But BYU, a team that lost two games last year by a total of eight points, didn't make it, wasn't even close to the conversation.

Speaker 5 This will be BYU's out of the last six seasons. This will be the fourth season where they started unranked and finished the season ranked.

Speaker 5 And that's what's really hurting them here is confirmation bias on the rest of these teams because all 11 teams around them, the 10 ahead of them and Miami, all started the season ranked.

Speaker 85 I get you.

Speaker 2 And so you continue to move them up regardless of merit. Regardless of how much.

Speaker 33 It's not a BYU, Miami thing.

Speaker 89 This is about head-to-head.

Speaker 32 Okay.

Speaker 5 Okay, last year, 9-1 BYU, 9-1 SMU, head-to-head.

Speaker 2 You just said those rankings.

Speaker 74 You just said they lost by eight points, and you touted that as a merit.

Speaker 79 They lost 29-7 this year to Texas Tech.

Speaker 38 By the way, that is more points than Miami has lost their last four games combined.

Speaker 15 Okay, but in unconsciously,

Speaker 2 you lost two games.

Speaker 32 I'm not doing this with one ranking.

Speaker 10 Miami's in the college football playoff.

Speaker 43 Why am I doing this with him?

Speaker 5 Because

Speaker 5 just because it benefits you now doesn't mean that the process is done.

Speaker 102 No one's talking about BYU-Miami. They don't matter here.
They're named after a guy. But they're Miami and Notre Dame.
Stop it.

Speaker 82 Stop it. Miami beat Notre Dame.
They have the same record.

Speaker 13 Miami's playing the best football they have all season.

Speaker 50 Shut up.

Speaker 51 It's not just a guy.

Speaker 18 James Madison might have been just a guy.

Speaker 20 Brigham Young was not just a guy.

Speaker 1 He was more than a guy.

Speaker 86 Like, now you're caping up for

Speaker 38 your mark?

Speaker 102 You're caping up for Brett. Your mark.

Speaker 1 You're getting to a group of five guys in, Jeremy.

Speaker 60 The aggrieved UCF guy is being taken care of this year.

Speaker 82 Big boys are playing football.

Speaker 32 Let me just say that.

Speaker 95 And if you're a football guy,

Speaker 82 if you're a football guy, you know, head-to-head.

Speaker 25 Look, I want to talk for a second about just the conundrum that BYU has found itself in the entirety of my lifetime, because this goes back in my memory to like Lavelle Edwards having undefeated BYU teams that nobody respected because

Speaker 18 BYU was playing lesser opponents.

Speaker 31 But I've told you this story before, okay?

Speaker 20 Head to head.

Speaker 35 One of the stunning results of my lifetime in college football was seeing Miami go to Brigham Young and lose as, I believe, a defending champion to Ty Detmer.

Speaker 20 And when they lost, I heard the single greatest explanation I've ever heard in a locker room for why they lost.

Speaker 28 Jesse Armstead, a professional linebacker who would be a top pick,

Speaker 48 said after the game that Miami was too fast and that Brigham Young was running its routes and they thought that the routes would be run faster and so their guys were out in front of the routes instead of like actually covering the receivers because they were too fast for Brigham Young.

Speaker 69 This has been an affliction.

Speaker 54 I would be, if I were Brigham Young, I'd be so consistently mad. Mike says it's not a national conversation and it's because it's just happening on local BYU radio somewhere in Salt Lake City.

Speaker 54 Like it's in Provo even.

Speaker 53 It's not even getting to Salt Lake City.

Speaker 22 It's just in Provo.

Speaker 27 Nobody nationally cares about BYU, let's be honest. And here's the thing about the CFP.
It does matter. Reputation does matter.

Speaker 27 That's why Alabama survives losing to Florida State because they're Alabama. And by the way,

Speaker 27 Miami would have won the ACC tiebreaker and been in the championship game had FSU finished with a 6-2 conference record instead of 2-6.

Speaker 27 So it's hurting Miami, but it's not hurting Alabama. The whole process is weird.
Louisville, and here's another one.

Speaker 27 SMU and Louisville would be the fourth and fifth toughest opponent on Notre Dame's schedule. Nothing makes sense here unless Miami gets in the chart.

Speaker 13 Or the UCFC.

Speaker 62 You have mentioned Alabama here, and I want to know if something is accurate because I saw Kirk Herb Street saying

Speaker 20 while putting up a link that Alabama is now changing its schedule, that Alabama is going to do what this entire system is going to cause, which is don't play any difficult games out of conference.

Speaker 69 You're an idiot.

Speaker 21 You're going to get, you're not going to get rewarded for it.

Speaker 47 You're going to get penalized or penalized.

Speaker 13 You could get rewarded.

Speaker 55 If you win, if you win the game.

Speaker 18 But when you mention the allies you did, Mike, I noticed you chose purposely credible allies.

Speaker 69 You're going to have some difficulty with Marco Rubio now coming to your side.

Speaker 21 He is an ally of yours, Mike Ryan.

Speaker 66 He's a boy.

Speaker 13 Yeah, just like Governor DeSantis.

Speaker 3 And he is now talking to a, you know, next to a Donald Trump who is clearly sleeping throughout everything he's saying.

Speaker 103 And I know I'm last, so I wanted to be fast, but there was a lot to cover. I do want to say this is the most wonderful, magical time of the year.

Speaker 103 By that, of course, I'm referring to the college football playoffs. And

Speaker 103 I just want to say this as a point of personal privilege,

Speaker 103 and I'm a Florida Gator, but if the University of Miami gets screwed out of the college football playoffs, after going 10-2 and beating Notre Dame, the whole thing should be scrapped, and you're going to have to take take over next year.

Speaker 5 He kind of woke up when he said that.

Speaker 13 More power?

Speaker 22 I can have more power.

Speaker 99 Yes, that's a good idea. He said he agreed with it.

Speaker 18 He co-signed it. He's like, that is a good idea.

Speaker 22 That's a smirk.

Speaker 22 Put me in charge of more things.

Speaker 21 That's going well.

Speaker 48 I'll just bomb some boats.

Speaker 15 Marco's son plays for UF.

Speaker 1 Didn't know that.

Speaker 1 Can I potentially pour a little bit of cold water on the theory that Miami is going to get in if BYU winds up losing because

Speaker 1 Hunter Urich

Speaker 1 said that you know teams could still move up and down after conference championship week even if they're idle

Speaker 1 he also mentioned there that that's based on strength of schedule being affected because the conference champions so does that mean a team like Miami whose strength of schedule is not affected because of anything that happens in conference championship games is actually not what what he's talking about.

Speaker 80 You could be talking about Notre Dame. Boise State's playing for a conference championship.

Speaker 75 Boise State, not your father's Boise State, but they're playing against UNLV.

Speaker 77 They're favored by three and a half.

Speaker 72 They could become a Mountain West champion, and perhaps that's enough if Miami gets up there next to Notre Dame.

Speaker 80 But Miami and Notre Dame, by every conceivable metric, are very close.

Speaker 29 I have a couple of questions for you guys based on what we're talking about.

Speaker 30 Was there evidence from last night that the committee is positioning itself to allow Alabama to lose a close game to Georgia and still get into the playoffs?

Speaker 75 That's all that was last night, was to protect Alabama if they lose a game. Like, the only way Alabama is affected by what happens in that game is if they're embarrassed.

Speaker 18 All right, so the second question I have is: give me more information on Marco Rubio's kid playing at Florida. He is small.

Speaker 21 You are correct. He has to be small, but he has to be physically small.

Speaker 3 Marco Rubio fits in my pocket.

Speaker 5 Anthony Rubio is 5'9 ⁇ , 191 pounds.

Speaker 40 What position does he play?

Speaker 15 He's a running back.

Speaker 17 He's a running back with what kind of bona fides?

Speaker 18 What kind of high school credentials does he have?

Speaker 31 Is he on scholarship? Has he scored

Speaker 5 5.4 yards per carry? Now that's on five carries. But I'll go ahead and figure that out from high school, but that is with the Gators last year.

Speaker 13 He had six carries a year before. Yeah.

Speaker 13 Really?

Speaker 37 Well, if he fits in. Seeing he went to Berlin.

Speaker 70 If he fits in my pocket. Yeah.

Speaker 33 I don't know what kind of pocket he'll wear in that day. Whatever, man.

Speaker 27 Good small hands as well, according to Trump.

Speaker 40 Cargo shorts.

Speaker 30 If you can get me any more information on Marco Rubio's son, I'd like to know if they're just giving him political gifts in the backfield,

Speaker 29 that they're giving him carries for touchdowns, late in games, just because there's some.

Speaker 90 Well, I don't know how he's gotten that 5.4 yards per carry average on five carries.

Speaker 21 I'm assuming it's by blowout.

Speaker 99 I blame Florida for Miami not being in the playoff because that would be a quality win for Miami if beating Florida meant anything this year.

Speaker 53 Losing to Florida is keeping Texas out of the playoff.

Speaker 5 I'm seeing Marco Rubio's son was third team all day, his senior year. He chose Florida over scholarship offers from Buffalo, Charlotte, and Bryant.

Speaker 78 Sounds like he's a walk-on. Tough decision.

Speaker 26 Maybe he's a priority walk-on.

Speaker 61 Well, Billen and back a long time ago, when my friends played at Pace and Columbus, I will not forget their reaction when they went to play against Edger and James.

Speaker 16 And he was in the backfield and

Speaker 88 he's carrying six of them into the end zone on his shoulders because he's just much bigger than everyone who's playing for.

Speaker 53 Let's pair these two sounds here, these two Cody sounds of being right and how good it feels to feel right. We've got, that's yours, very Christmassy, very Santa.

Speaker 21 I'd like to hear that with Diana Rossini's kids, but also I'd like to hear your dad which of these is better as a form of passion and excitement about being right

Speaker 18 Chris why did you get that excited that you became that you summoned a hysterical joyful Santa

Speaker 13 when I'm right I like it

Speaker 27 doesn't happen often

Speaker 13 maybe that's why

Speaker 51 Also, the Panthers have the last playoff spot, got smoked by Toronto.

Speaker 32 They aren't a very good team.

Speaker 59 Well, the shell of themselves, seven players are out right now with injuries.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but Roy, you spoke to something before the show.

Speaker 13 Bob, been bad.

Speaker 104 Yeah, he has an 883 save percentage of 289 goals against the average, adjusted to 3.06 or something.

Speaker 15 That sounds bad.

Speaker 13 Really bad. It's bad, Dan.

Speaker 97 But he has goals saved above average, negative 5.

Speaker 89 That can't be good.

Speaker 72 And I want to clear up something that Dan said.

Speaker 44 He said that they had the last playoff spot. No, they're bottom of the Eastern Conference right now.

Speaker 72 But, you know, you get hot for three games and you're right back in playoffs.

Speaker 24 How many many points are they out of the final playoff spot?

Speaker 89 Well, let me see how many games in hand that they have today.

Speaker 27 10-9 way tonight.

Speaker 43 It looks like, Dan, you're not going to believe this.

Speaker 93 The Florida Panthers have come full circle.

Speaker 72 They are just five points out of the final playoffs.

Speaker 21 They lose last night 4-1 at home to Toronto, and Bob can be forgiven for not taking the regular season real seriously, right?

Speaker 32 I told Roy this year. I told Roy,

Speaker 5 I said there's literally nothing that guy can do to not start start the first game of the playoffs.

Speaker 5 Like, he could be worse than he's been the first half starting game one if we make that. I mean, granted, if he is worse, we won't make the playoffs.

Speaker 27 But this is the year you need good Bob, not bad Bob, right?

Speaker 89 Yeah, especially with all the injuries that they have.

Speaker 19 No, I would say the last two years is the playoffs.

Speaker 35 They've needed good Bob, not bad Bob.

Speaker 67 It's totally fine for it to be bad Bob the first 25 games of this season.

Speaker 1 The year when they're hammered by injuries anyway.

Speaker 27 You've got guys going out with barbecue injuries. I mean, it's ridiculous what's happening happening to the Panthers this year.
And another thing, the home ice advantage has disappeared.

Speaker 27 I think the Panthers have lost like four of their last five home games or something of that nature.

Speaker 26 It should be noted, Florida's a bit of an older team, and the schedule is a lot more congested this year because of the Winter Olympics.

Speaker 30 Didn't need to be noted.

Speaker 61 I didn't feel like.

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