Hour 2: Marty Smith Will Not Complain (feat. Lucy Rohden and Marty Smith)

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GoPro! I'm Ohio! Dan, we are here in lovely Ann Arbor, Michigan for one of the greatest rivalries, not only in college football, but in college sports. Ryan Day versus Michigan.

Let's see how the game plays out. Rose isn't here, so there's no risk of pepper spray this time.

Do you feel like it's appropriate to call this game a rivalry if only one side is winning? It's always a rivalry. No matter who's winning or losing, it's always a rivalry.
Not really.

It's really just like

a little, like a grade school and then a shitter school. Like that's kind of it.
That's all it is to it.

Yeah, I mean even though Ryan Day will have P coming down his leg later today, it is a rivalry because you know like I look at all these people wearing red right now and I just feel like they're just like below me.

It is a rivalry going back to the War of Toledo in the 1800s. So this is a long time coming.
All the Hawaii State fans crying on Twitter. Oh, this game doesn't mean much anymore.
Oh, blah, blah, blah.

They go crazy for it. It's all they think about 364 days a year.
And today we're going to win for the fifth straight time. And they're going to go home sad just like the last four years.

TJ, you got to take me through the fit today. What are we wearing? So we got Michigan pajamas on.
And you're warm enough. I am so warm.

I have three hoodies underneath this, some thermal pants on, so I'm really, really warm. This is our everyday look.
So

we just woke up, you know,

a little makeup. So week, we base in blue.
Yeah. So we just...
So this is just our true spirit coming out.

Are you guys a couple? Yep, we're married 10 years. 10 years?

How do you make it work?

It's hard. He literally crosses out all of my M's.
I'm my Christmas stuff.

And the whole house.

So are you two friends? No, I don't know. I just met this guy.
Oh, okay. So

what's your first impression of each other? I don't like him. He talks too much.
He's wearing the wrong hat. And your impression of him?

I think he's soft, just like Ohio State's defense and their coach, Ryan Day. Is there anything redeemable about Ohio State? Um,

they sure know how to spell their state name. No, not at all.
I mean, I'll give them credit. Like, do I like red? Sometimes, yeah, but like, this color in general is just really, really ugly.

Like, it makes me want to throw up when I look at it right now. No, no, no.

This one down south. Michigan's a bump down for a reason.

They're also little brother. We own Ohio State.
We will always own Ohio State. What is one nice thing you can say about Ohio State?

It creates really great people.

That is so sweet. I have a feeling what he's going to say is not going to be that sweet.
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You lost a day and it could guarantee a national championship this season. Is that like a bargain you'd be willing to make?

Unfortunately, yes, because the national championship is the best thing. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Five minutes ago, you just told me the complete opposite thing, so now he's lying for the TV.

That's not true. That's not true.
He's lying for the TV. Oh, oh, okay.

That being said, we're going to do both, so it doesn't matter. Harbo devalued the game in 2019, and I think Michigan lost, was it, 63, 35? By a lot, by a lot.
By a lot.

And we learned from that year, you cannot do that because it's just bad karma, bad juju.

You gotta value the game because if you beat Ohio State, you're most likely going to be a national champion or in the playoffs, whatever.

It's the same thing for Ohio State, even though they're going to deny it, like, what they do. Do you value the game? I value the game so much.
And we're going to win it this year.

We're going to win it next year. We're going to win it for the next 20 years because we're better than Michigan.
Our program's better than Michigan. Our coach is better than Michigan.

Everything's better than Michigan. You've never seen Michigan lose to Ohio State as a student's year.
No, no. And we won the championship in our freshman year.

And we're going to win today. Spike.

Dan, that is a wrap on off-roading regular season number

three.

This one was so special. Thank you guys for following along, watching, loving.

Anyone who didn't love it, I don't acknowledge your opinion because it's wrong and it's bad and we did a really wonderful job.

I want to say specifically to you, Dan, check out those expense reports because I barely spent any money. I didn't even buy anything this whole season.

Not one singular hat did you pay for, which is actually kind of messed up now that I think about it.

And I think you should retroactively give me a gift card or something so I can go buy, you know, hats.

They don't have to be team hats, they can be whatever hats I really want, but it's kind of messed up that that is where we're at these days. But thank you guys, we'll see you in the playoffs.

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He seems like a not-nice guy, and he's always been a not-nice guy. I don't care for him, and I hope he has the day he deserves.
Oh!

Stugats! I hope

he has the day he deserves. That's how I get people when they're really mean to me.
I'm not like, go F yourself. I'm like, I hope you have the day you deserve.
It's a great kind.

It's a great kind of thing. Yes.

It's beautiful.

It's leaving it to the cosmos to sort it out. That's a less southern, bless your heart.
This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stew Gats.

I have noticed, Lucy, that you have kept expenses down this season, although we did get hit hard at the beginning of the season with all of these college towns and hotels where you have to stay that are awfully crowded.

But I appreciate you staying within budget this season and doing another fantastic job. We've got two more appearances from Lucy.

She's going to do the Orange Bowl back in Miami, and she's doing some of the games.

You're doing something this weekend, next weekend. When are you doing your next game? You're doing your next game in a month? Yeah, we're going to do the first round of the playoffs.

So the ones that's at the homeschool, the most expensive one.

Yeah, I assume that you're going to spend on an assortment of souvenirs to catch up on lost spending. Did you find the Lane Kiffen stuff as funny as we found it and interesting as we found it?

I think that I reached like my fatigue level yesterday where I was like, okay, I don't know how much more of this I can take. But overall, yeah, I thought it was pretty funny.

I mean, like, this is the most just Lane Kiffin being who Lane Kiffin is. There was no way this was ever going to go casually.
Like, this is, it's what

my angel, when someone shows you who they are, believe them. Lane Kiffin's done this a million times before.
And guess what? If that Alabama job ever opens up, he's doing it again.

Lucy, you reached the point where you're tired of this story? Marty Smith will join us in 10 minutes. Wait.

Wait, you guys, look at my t-shirt. It's a lane.
Can you see it? Something Something careful. I got it at Tennessee.
It says, hey, Kiffin, payback's a butch.

I'm going to get expensed for that. We're going to get expensed.

We're going to get expensed for that. I expensed this to you like two years ago and you didn't notice.
Dan, did you see Lane Kiffin in one of his recent tweets?

He put out like a Bible verse, and in the tweet, he put a picture of the flag of Trinidad. It's a dick move.

What I've loved online the most about this is all the women who go to his Pilates studio being like, this is the best news ever. He was the worst person to take a Pilates class with.

How can you be bad at a Pilates class? Why is he said he would tip people over when they were planking, that he would pour water on the floor, that he would change the humidity of the water zone?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That he would like tell an instructor he hated the music.

Like, there is a whole section of the internet right now that is just like ole miss students and Oxford residents being like, I'm so happy I get my hot yoga back.

What do you feel is the fairest criticism of this?

Because I really do find interesting how appalled people are while clutching their rosary beads that this guy would be this much about business when he always did this to be about business.

I think the fairest criticism is like, maybe not even with Lane Kiffen, maybe more the like conversation happening around Lane Kiffen where like I can't tell you how many times I've seen a Nick Sabin type or Kirk Herbstreet be like, yeah, this guy's a victim.

This is just how college football is set up. Not really.
Like, yes, the schedule is bad and that's something we'll we'll have to look at later.

But, like, John Sommerall was able to leave Tulane very casually, very amicably, where I just don't, I don't have any problem with Lane Kiffen leaving saying, hey, I'm getting a better job.

But you chose to do it in a way that like drew a lot of attention to yourself. It's not the first time you've done this.
It's not the first time you did this at all miss.

This is a year where you had a great roster, a team that's going to go to the playoff. And like, I think the fairest...
like criticism of this is, hey, you don't get it both ways.

You don't get to throw this giant Lane Kiff and spectacle, I'm leaving, here's what's happening, but also give me everything I want. I want to still coach this team.
It doesn't work like that.

Lucy, because of that, I totally get the Ole Miss AD telling Lane Kiffen, we want nothing to do with you in the playoff run. What do you think about that? No, I think that's absolutely the right move.

People like, forget, LSU and Ole Miss don't like each other. They're a rivalry.
These are two teams that do not get along.

So starting when Lane Kiffen signed that contract, you are now recruiting the same guys.

So you're going to give Lane Kiffen extra time to be with your players and your coaches to convince them to leave to go to LSU. And whatever happens, let's say he's like, you know what?

He said there would be guardrails in place. That's like made up.
I don't know what that would have been. But let's just say Lane Kiffen's like, I'm leaving Ole Miss alone.

I'm not taking anybody with me. Like, this is just going to be separate.
That entire Ole Miss playoff run will be about LSU.

That is Ole Miss basically running an ad for LSU with Lane Kiffen coaching that playoff run. It's just like, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

I know we've heard that a million times over the last couple of days, but it was just a very like, you don't get everything you want all the time.

But you're getting like a billion dollars, so you should be coming.

I'm not willing to say that LSU and Mississippi have a rivalry. A hammer and a nail don't have a rivalry.
Like, Mississippi can think that's a rivalry. LSU doesn't think that's a rivalry.

No, I think that's a fair statement, but I think maybe you're looking, you should look at it more from the perspective of Ole Miss, because Ole Miss is the one making the decision of whether you get to coach in the playoff or not.

Those fans hate LSU.

This is like, obviously, Egg Bowl is number one in the rivalry terms for what Ole Miss, you know, hates, but they do not like LSU. This is someone who you are now competing with on a regular basis.

LSU plays a road game at Ole Miss next year. Like, this is not Tulane to Florida.
This is not, you know, a group of five to a power four. This is within the same conference.

All right, so speaking of Tulane to Florida, I totally agree and get with Ole Miss not allowing Lane Kippen to coach in the playoffs.

Why are we potentially good with John Summerall coaching Tulane to playoffs? They're not in the same conference.

John Summerall has handled this in a way that has been like, I think he came out yesterday and was like, I'm not telling any Tulane commits to decommit and come to Florida. Those are Tulane's guys.

I'm not taking them. It's a very casual transition of power.
And John Summerall also, like, the last month has not been about him. John Summerall has not been egging this on.

There have been reports and things like that, but it has not been the world's biggest distraction.

So I think it's just one, Tulane probably understands, yes, Florida is a better job than us, and yes, LSU is a better job than Ole Miss, but you're in the same conference and you've chosen to handle it in a way that, like, you are not a victim.

This was the Lane Kiffin show, but that's who Lane Kiffin is. It's the risk you sign up for when you hire him.
It is just they're different circumstances because they're different levels.

And LSU or Florida and Tulane are not competing against one another. I really do wish that Lane Kiffin had gotten off the private plane and slid down the railing

on his ass, down the stairway, just slid onto the tarmac with his tongue out.

So the one thing that's been interesting that's come out of this that I'm curious if you all have been on this part of the internet, there are lots of rumors

circulating that Lane Kiffen does not have custody of his dog. Have we seen this? I follow Juice, now Juice Rebel, not Juice Kiffin.

And a lot of people were trying to see if the dog was giving hints because the dog on social media was kind of dropping all these hints that Lane was going to stay at Ole Miss.

And we turned, it turns out, Deadbeat Dad, not the dog's actual dad, it would appear.

Yeah, Juice is saying in Ole Miss, he's got to live here now. You know, Kirk Herfie's got a dog? Lucy, what are you laughing about? You just love that.

That's crazy.

What do you mean you have a fake dog?

Well, he just changed his last name. No, it was a prop.
I thought that this dog is not his dog.

I thought it was his dog.

The entire time I've been under the assumption that that was Lane Kippen's dog because I had no reason to believe otherwise.

And then Lane Kippen leaves, and it comes out that that is not his real dog. He does not have custody of that dog.
So like why, like, why did you have the dog around you all the time?

It's not your dog. He has to live here.
You know why, Lucy? Because it was a very effective device to make Lane more likable as he publicly rehabbed his image and had a documentary made.

We all love the dog. He has to live here.
People love dogs. He has to prop here.
But it was a prop dog. Prog.
Crazy.

Do you think that Lane Kippen walks around with a bag of fake poop? Oh, hell yes. Tan, there was a moment I was pretty plugged in on this story.

There was a moment where I was reading a dog's tweets being like, wait a second, is he staying? It's a great way to gather news.

I love the way we're gathering news in 2025, checking in with the social media account of a dog that is not actually. So is it a real dog or is it like an

live dog? It only exists to make Lane Kiffen appear human. Gotcha.
He would go to the games with them. When we went to Ole Miss, we saw Juice at the games.

So like you assumed this was Lane Kiffen's dog that he brought with him wherever he went. He was was like a very popular you could buy juice merch when you went into like the old Miss Student store.

Like he was a very like key part of that university and Lane Kiffen. And then it came out that it was like that's not his dog.

Is it a rental?

Put it on the poll. Yes.
Put it on the poll. Are you surprised that Lane Kiffen was renting a pet to appear more human at Lebatar? Come on.

That dog was also not neutered. Whose dog is this? Lucy, are you laughing? It's a rebel dog.
It's on its own terms. It belongs to the university.

uh can you can you tell us lucy whether you think it is funny what is happening right now to the university of miami

i i think it's more funny in the it it's funnier that duke's playing in the acc championship game that's the funniest case that's the funniest case scenario ever that is like it is awesome seven and five manny diaz it is so stupid well so here's the thing duke may not realize it but right now they are the most powerful team in college football because whatever happens with duke in the ACC championship game and potentially the playoff, even though I don't think they'll make the playoff, they will change the rules because they'll never let this happen again.

Like there's no way Duke will ever play in the ACC championship again if they're seven and five. But it's objectively like hilarious.

Should an ACC commissioner just do the right thing, Lucy? Just say, hey, it makes the most sense. Virginia, Miami, they're playing.
No, I disagree with that because...

I like college football because it's stupid. Like, if I want to watch things make more logical sense, if I want to watch really good football, I'll tune in on Sunday.

I like college football because it's big giant and dummy and duke playing in the ACC is the dumbest thing ever and I will be tuning in Marty Smith's gonna join us here in a moment but not before we get to Lucy's internet

minute

time to get in it it's Lucy's internet minute

so there is a big like controversy on TikTok right now with this one family who did a turkey trot prank on their son's fiancé.

She had never met the family before and they told her that they were were a turkey trot family and they ran the turkey trot 10k and then the morning of the turkey trot they filmed her being like okay let's get ready for the race and they were like just kidding we're not actually running the race and she burst into tears and started crying and they posted the video being like ha we're a funny prank family how hilarious is this and people are really split on the matter they're like hey that was kind of messed up you guys humiliated her put her on the internet all that stuff and then other people are like it's a prank but i do think there's an important qualification here she was training for this.

She spent months training for this.

So that's why I'm like, I think this is kind of messed up because her fiancé let her train for this for months and knew it was a prank. Knew the whole time that she wasn't running the team.

It makes it better prank than

there's humiliation involved. It makes it an even better prank.
I don't like it. I should have known that's what you guys would have voted.
I felt like this would have been good.

What's the point of a prank?

And that's the person that she's agreeing to marry. Like, that's the family she's marrying into.
I personally have to. It shouldn't cost you months of preparation.

Oh, sorry, you're in better shape now. You're getting better.
What do you mean?

No, if they had like woke, if it was like day up and they were like, hey, girl, we're doing this turkey drop prank, she'd be like, oh my god, that's crazy. And then, no, I think that's a fun prank.

I think that's fine. Months of preparation.

Months of work. She went and spent money on running shoes.
Like, she got ready for this. And then they filmed it and they put it on the internet, which is like, oh, I don't know if that's nice.

And they're like, ha, we're just a prank family. So I think I'm on team, not that family side.
But I knew you guys would vote on this. All right, well, let's get Marty Smith.

Thank you for being on with us, Lucy. We appreciate it.
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I need

way more.

I'm sorry. I just said in his headset, haven't you been to all of them too? It sounded like you were speaking aloud.
My bad.

Totally on me. That's 100% on me.
All right.

Stugats.

But that goes without saying that it couldn't happen. Well, now he said he didn't.
He didn't say head. He said

that

he hadn't. Craig, my apologies.

Greg, yeah. Craig.

He apologized. I mean, Craig.
Sincerely. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

Marty Smith is always having a hell of a year, although I do believe he's coming off of his worst professional assignment.

Since Marty came into our life,

since then, he's probably had worse before then, but since we were introduced to Marty, I don't think he had a worse professional assignment than the one he just had.

Before we get to that, I think he loved it.

I don't think he loved that.

He was begging Lane Kippen to put an end to it. He dispensed with all pretense of journalism and just begged his subject, please stop making me

chase you around this brown lake in Mississippi. Please, I don't want to do it anymore.
Before we get to Marty, though, Marty, can you settle what it is that Lucy is needing an arbitrator for here?

What is your opinion on pranking a family member and making them train for months for a turkey trot that your family's not actually participating in? It's pretty sinister,

but I do appreciate the,

I mean, that takes a lot of planning and it takes a lot of personal personal conviction and discipline to not let that person know that you're completely screwing with them.

And as a family in the Smiths that does a turkey trot every year, and in fact, did so on Thursday before I got on a plane to fly to Birmingham and then drive a conversion van to Starkville and onward,

that's a hell of an elaborate effort. So good work, family.
Well, I want to talk to you more about the misery of this, but is the Smith family a prank family? Not really.

No, we don't do a whole lot of pranking. One of the greatest aspects of my wonderful marriage with Laney 25 plus years now is that we do bust each other's balls a lot.

But in terms of like those

pranks you see on the internet, nah, we don't roll like that. We don't have that kind of effort.
Like we don't we don't put that much energy into it.

It takes a lot of energy to create content like that and stuff. Marty, you have a lot of energy.
You seem to have been

just really defeated by everything. Life was sucked out of it.

I believe that I don't, this is the carcass shell of Marty Smith, energy and entertainment personified. And Mississippi and Lane Tiffan have defeated him.
Look at this picture of yourself.

I was shocked to see you on ESPN

looking this way.

It aged you terribly. Like, honestly, what have the last five days been like? Because I felt sorry for you.
I just hope my hair looks like that when I'm 104 years old. It looks like me.

Yeah, look, I'm not,

I am tired, but I'm not going to sit here and talk about it or complain about it because it's the job that I get paid to do. You know, you get commissioned to an event that

ESPN and the rest of the world, I mean,

Lane is interesting because he's polarizing. Lane's interesting because he makes people feel.

one way or another. And that is interesting.
In a world that is so vanilla in so many ways, he's anything but. And so that's, you know, look, that's interesting.

And so they decided to send me down there and I did the Egg Bowl and then I kind of drove across Mississippi.

And I will say, man, Saturday was interesting, Dan, because it had been made pretty apparent that a decision was expected from the athletic administration at Ole Miss on Saturday.

And that's unfortunately, I made a mistake, and I thought that would happen as a result of it being an expectation. I should have known better.

And as it went on into Sunday, you just sit there and hope: all right, man, let's get a resolution here

because I love this job. And again, you're not going to hear me complain about it.
There's a whole lot of people who are. No, that's not an anyway true.

I heard you complain on air as you begged Lane Kiffin to please put an end to everyone's misery. Will there be a resolution tonight? Please, God in heaven, tell me yes.

Yeah, I don't know if that's, I don't know if I would characterize that as a complaint. That's a statement.

And

it's a prayer. It's a prayer to God.
It's a prayer to God. Please,

bro. Please, God in heaven.
You've done this. Any of you guys who've ever worked in the field and have, I don't care, like, this is not the first time I've ever done this.

I've sat outside of courthouses. I've sat outside of NASCAR headquarters of all God, you know, places.
I have waited on NASCAR to tell me if some.

crew chief isn't going to be able to work because he had an illegal spoiler for 15 hours. Like, this is just the job.

And you're put in a position to do this job and you do it to the absolute best of your ability with the most accuracy and energy that you can muster.

But it is a fact at 8.46 p.m., I texted Lane and said, God Almighty, can we please do this tonight?

So, Marty, you did eventually get him right before he left at the airport, but was there any moment where you thought I might not get him at all? Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

There was a lot of moments where I thought I might not get him because it wasn't just wearing him out with phone calls and text messages trying to get to him.

It was also like what did or didn't come from those text messages. There's a lot of logistics involved in it.
Where is he going to enter the airport? What is the law enforcement presence going to be?

Like, you know,

it's against the law for me to just walk through the FBO onto the tarmac.

So, you know, like there's a lot of obstacles here and hurdles that you have to manage.

And we did a good job of it.

Put us there as you're driving around the fire trucks. Like, how much off-roading are you actually doing? How much? Okay, I'll paint a picture for you, man.

So we take a left off of whatever highway the Oxford airport sits on. And as we take this left, and it's myself, my producer, Luis, who's a Miami boy, he went to the U,

and our camera guy and our audio guy. All right.
And I see you. And so

there's like a barricade of fire vehicles and individuals and people, presumably firemen. And I was saying to Laney, I don't know why I reacted the way I did.
I didn't. really even slow down.

I just whipped this van to the right and through a field and there was some equipment sitting in the field and I don't so I did slow down a little bit like it's not like a full throttle bonsai run.

I'm trying to make sure I don't hurt us

and I'm weaving through all this equipment and then I get back to the road and up on top of the hill maybe 150 yards is where Lane Kiffen stood along the fence that goes to the runway of the Oxford airport where he was entering the airport.

You were chasing him? Like, did he see you in the river? No, he was, he was stopped.

He was at the top of the hill stopped i was not chasing his car but he did see the entire thing happen he was from his vantage point atop the hill he saw the entire so chase whatever you got he's will farrell with baxter after he's eaten the wheel of cheese he's like i'm honestly i'm impressed i'm not even mortified by you i'm just yes he was i mean his word to me was holy bleep you really are scooby-doo yeah like that's what he said and because he'd been making fun of this van i was driving all week anyway.

Any fear of getting arrested?

Did you know you were doing something when you're going around the fire trucks?

You know, honestly, it never entered my mind in the moment. And I don't know why.

Because,

like, like the Oxford police officers that were at the airport, world-class dudes. So cool.

But they made it really clear, like, you can't go onto this tarmac.

And so I was like, all right, how far do I push this thing here i would have loved to have seen you arrested getting arrested would show that you're dedicated yeah i would have loved it would have been it would have been terrible for you but great for us well i appreciate that yeah i appreciate that perspective gentleman but i really wasn't interested in going to to the oxford county clink uh marty there was a scenario that would have seen olemis potentially play in the sec title game i'm sure a lot of the hang-up was the iron bowl lane had made his decision well before you you actually got to Oxford.

So how much was this arguing about money, the kids, and the SEC title game, and what would have happened if Ole Miss found its way into the SEC title game? I have no idea, man.

I don't know.

Look, Keith Carter, the athletic director, made it pretty clear Sunday morning that Lane wasn't going to coach that team. And now...

I know contextually you're talking about Saturday night and the Iron Bowl if Ole Miss makes their way into the SEC championship game against Georgia. I don't know.

I heard yes, I heard no while I was there. And once Alabama won, that was completely off of my radar, and I didn't follow up on it.

So I don't know if he would have coached in that game if they got there or not, but it seemed like Keith was very dug in that when he made the decision to go to LSU, that was his time.

I know that because we have Marty here, and I know we're lane kiff and obsessed, but I know that Greg Cody and Mike Ryan have some NASCAR questions for him.

So certainly, now that you have Marty Smith's attention, I think we'll get more energy. He's been defeated by this story.

I think if we talk some racing with him, I think we can get the Marty Smith we've been accustomed to here who's not defeated. I don't mean to be down on energy, Danny.
I love you guys.

I know.

I've wept for you

over the last few years. You keep doing this thing.

I think Marty was loving the last thing. This is what he does.

He eats

happiness. He breathes these moments that would be fine.
Leave it to the TV professionals to tell you.

He would have liked for it to be half as long as it was, half as long. Wow.
What's Roy's outfit all about? I am John Tesh.

That is amazing. Are you round ball rock, bro? Are you on a keyboard out there? That's exactly.

That outfit sucks.

That's awesome. I think that he looks so good.

Marty, Denny Hamlin appears to be trying to find himself, going to childhood tracks. One of the more devastating losses in the history of motorsports.

How do you envision next season going for him? It looks like that loss took a toll. It's hard to tell when someone's sad when they're wearing a helmet, but Denny Hamlin pulled that one off.

I don't know how you could be in a moment like Danny was right there.

Some of you guys watching may not know Denny's dad is ill, not doing well, and he introduced Denny to the sport and is the person that really cultivated and shaped the passion that Denny has for the sport.

And so to dominate, like, first of all, the way NASCAR's playoff is structured, it's so hard just to get an opportunity to be in the moment to win a championship.

Four drivers, one race, 300 miles, and, you know, for the rest of your life. And he dominated that race.
He was gone. He was running away from it, boat racing the field.

And then another really good driver pounds the fence and knocks the fence down. And so you have a caution.
And then another driver, strategy-wise, takes four tires and Denny takes two.

And there were a lot of drivers that stayed out on that caution or only took two tires on that caution. So there was a lot of static.
It was a... I don't know, man.

It was a crazy, crazy, crazy thing. Marty, I'm trying to get my idea off off the ground.
What do you think of it?

It's that in the championship four, instead of a full field, it should just be the four finalists on the track.

I mean, I might have misspoke there, Mike. Did I? I think Denny took two, Kyle took four.
I don't remember if I might have misspoke. Kyle could have taken two.

I appreciate that.

You didn't even tolerate his question. He was bowled by the five cards.

I do want to answer Greg's question. Thank you.

Certainly, look, man,

it makes sense to me because those are the only four cars. But look, again, man, this industry is such a unique industry.
Everybody is a sole proprietor. It's not like a

every, and you have sponsors that are paying for this sole proprietorship.

And

it is a crazy business that the only business model more messed up than NASCAR is the NCAA, I think.

Were you aware that that is not Lane Kiffin's dog, that he does not have custody of that dog, and that they've changed the name of that dog's last name from Kiffin to Rebel? That's funny.

I did not know this.

That is a shame that we're losing one of the greatest social media accounts there is as someone who loathes social media. How did you not know this, though?

You are the source of information for all Lane Kiffin things. How has this escaped your attention? This important.

I am so damn proud to report that I had no idea about that. That means I'm doing this right.
Marty, it's nice to see you. Thank you for always making the time for us.

I was sad for you this weekend, but not me. But I was

happy for him. Look, my man is on the beach.
No, he's no one's going to get this story before Marty. He'll remember that for the rest of his life.
Look, he's above this.

I'm going to go ahead and say it. He's 13 and 25 against top 25 teams.
He should be chasing around Saban if he's got to chase him around. That's Marty Smith.
That's Marty Smith.

He doesn't have to be chasing around Lane Kiffen. It's Marty Smith.
He's the hottest coach in football.

He's the hottest guy. He's the hottest coach.
That's why they're covering each other. That's why, yeah.
Now, he's outgrown this. He shouldn't chase Lane Kiffen around Mississippi.

If not, Lane, which coach? You just cited. I'm the retirement one.
I mean, that's a good question.

Look, look,

I don't, other like Coach Sabin is just a different thing because, to Dan's point, he's the absolute greatest to ever do it. But again,

Lane is this enigmatic character that has

done this and had this history of of very polarizing, controversial exits from multiple stops. And that makes him really interesting and makes people feel.
And so it's my job.

I've got really fast, okay, one-word answers to all of this.

Who's better, Miami or Oklahoma? Miami. Miami or BYU? Miami.
Miami or Utah?

Miami. Miami or Notre Dame.
Oh, Miami beat Notre Dame. There you go.
That's this guy. That's the

James Madison. There you go.

You get some rest. Look, man,

we have to be in a

context of the playoff has to be. I do agree it's important that a team's playing well,

but beating someone has to matter. I don't even know if I'm on anymore.
You are. You are.
You guys.

I'm laughing and Mike dancing and Tony. I love Mike's dance.
Waving a flag.

Put up one of your polls. What do we name Mike's dance? Puppy Aaron Hearn.
Is that LeBron James or the robot? It's Aaron Dwen running down the sidelines after blocking.

I want to see a social media post that has Mike's dance, a graphic that asks to name it, and

I love you guys. I love all of you, man.
Thank you. Good to see you, buddy.
Thank you for making the time. Mike Ryan just danced like Aaron Glenn in front of a flag.

That was Aaron Glenn.

It's down the sideline after blocking a field goal in 10. I thought it was a combo of a robot and LeBron's celebration.
It's a bit of Ric Flair, too, and he's like...

Didn't Dylan Brooks do that to LeBron yesterday after scoring on him? Didn't he do the LeBron celebration in front of LeBron? You're having a great game, Brooks. Don't do that.
It is disrespectful.

It's indisputable.

What's happening to Miami? Huge disrespect.

You didn't ask about James Madison. You coward.

I should have kept going with that until I got something other than Miami from him as an answer.

It sounded like he thinks Notre Dame's better, but he's like, well, they beat him, so I have to say Miami.

Whatever. There's head-to-head.
It used to be a proper country where two teams would play, and then the winner would be the better team. Didn't ask about BYU either, coward.

You look ridiculous, don't you? He looks ridiculous.

Before we do the post-game show here, are you guys interested? Netflix documentary tonight. It's being made by 50 Cent, and it's about Diddy.

And it's coming out tonight. And I saw a video that I was shocked to see because...

It's Diddy talking to his lawyers on camera a few days before he's arrested. And I thought to myself, as I'm watching this, I'm like, how did he get this video? Is it legal to have this video?

And is the answer to the second question answered by my first question? How did he get the video of Diddy talking to his lawyers, telling them what to do?

Like, I'm interested in whatever it is that 50 Cent is making here.

I've got to think the rest of you are interested as well, right? That's going to do monster numbers on Netflix, 50 Cent specifically producing.

And he is incredibly petty, Dan, so you know he's not holding any punches. He may go extra overboard, too.
Diddy, the actor from Get Him to the Greek?

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