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Were the NHL teams trust their players away from the rink ever again? This is the hockey show.

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At the hockey show DLS, we have a TikTok account as well at the hockey show 7 and on x instagram and threads at hockey show dls we hope that you have had a great american thanksgiving uh with you and yours i again did my famous turkey and again i won thank you very much um

uh well I didn't really beat anybody, but everybody really enjoyed having that turkey. So, Roy,

I missed the turk off last year. Even though you did the year before, I was not here yet for the the Turkoff, I believe.
So I still have not tried your delicious turkey.

And I'm trying to get my family. I'm really adamant about, I think turkey is the wrong meat to eat on Thanksgiving.
I want to go with ham. But is there any chance

I could get your recipe? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you will?

Actually, yeah, absolutely. I didn't know if you were like one of those people that's very protective over their recipes or if they'll help.
Okay. No,

I've put over Twitter a couple of times last year. So yeah, I'm not protective.

I'm just happy that everybody likes the fact that they want to, you know, you just like that people like your food, right? Yeah, I like people like my feeling good. Exactly.
But you know what?

I think ham is actually a Christmas. It is.
It's a Christmas meat for sure. But for me, like one year during the pandemic, we did a very small Thanksgiving and we did honey-baked ham and turkey.

And it was the best Thanksgiving we've ever had because I had an option besides turkey. Oh, I love it.
I love honey-baked ham. Ham is good.
I love honey-baked ham.

My non-Jewish side of the family, we do ham Christmas Eve and, or turkey, Christmas Eve, ham Christmas, I believe. Or maybe it's the other way around.
I don't care. It's delicious.

Yeah, oh man, honey-baked ham is the best, especially on the bottom. What's your ham-go-to sides?

Sides would definitely be

sweet potato,

yams, you know, with ham.

Yeah, I can have it with ham, yeah. I mean, it's a sweet component with a sweet component, but I'll have it with ham.
I like going like

potatoes with like cheese melted on top, maybe some like crispy bacon on top. Yeah, or this is just Thanksgiving, though.
Yeah. Well, I'm talking about with ham.
In general, you know,

baked beans, baked beans. And again,

that's true. It's a sweet component, but you can.
You got to have some kind of apple sauce.

Sorry. Would that be your top barbecue side would be baked beans? Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, interesting. Absolutely.

Every single barbecue dish that I've ever had at a restaurant, I check the menu to see if there's baked beans on it.

And if it has baked beans, I'm getting it every time. Yeah, I like the one they put the pieces of pork in the baked beans.
So you get like different

pulked beans.

No, no, not like, not like that. Like little chunks of like, you know, sliced beef or whatever.
I don't know. It's just yummy.
Yeah, it is yummy. Yeah.
Burn ends always get burnt ends, by the way.

By the way, Thanksgiving is always the time that teams happen to look at the calendar and see where they are and in the standings. And they're not doing it.

Let's not do that today, guys. I don't want to look at the standings right now.
No, we're going to look at the standings. Unfortunately, we have to in a little bit.
They are there.

You know, they happen to be there, and it's a line of demarcation. But anyway, the Toronto Maple Leafs are constantly getting trolled by Brad Marshand every single time.

And this time, Brad Marshand brought up looking at Thanksgiving as a line of demarcation in a team's season. In this case, it happened to be the Toronto Maple Leafs.

This is what he had to say about Toronto season and trying to quell the fears of Maple Leaf fans.

Obviously, with the media attention and the fan support that they have in Toronto, they're, you know, things get blown way out of proportion up there.

But yeah, they definitely don't think that in the room. What are they? Four points out of a playoff spot, or

if people are thinking they're out of playoff spot for the season,

they got to find a new job. I'm going to do my best Chris Rock impression here for you, Jay.

Right message, wrong messenger. Right message, wrong

messenger, right? Because he's not wrong. It's 25 games into the season.
The Leafs are just on the outside looking in.

The Leafs are in a position where they've been very good in the regular season for a long time, and they better have some confidence and some belief behind closed doors that they could still make the playoffs.

But this isn't the guy who should be saying it because it's not sincere. Now, it was Brian Hayes who joined TSN Sports Center to basically say that Brent Marshahand was not sincere.

Do you agree with that assertion? No, I thought Brad was pretty sincere when he was.

I think Hazy is hurt by first half of his career, Marshand. I don't think he's taking into account mature Marshand.
The Marshand that's won a Stanley Cup now. The Marshand that's just a good guy.

Oh, well, he had won a Stanley Cup before. No, no, that's won a Stanley Cup since his rookie year.
That he's won a Stanley Cup as a mature person. But on the road to that Stanley Cup.

I was going to say, he had a big part in that Toronto series. I mean, he saved the Panthers in that series.
He was on the ice, though.

I don't think he's being, I think that's just the thing. They did beat Toronto, so he doesn't have to, you know, I agree with you, drive it home.

I think that was being sincere, especially considering anybody could just turn around and say, well, if he's trolling the Maple Leafs, where are your Panthers? Below the Maple Leafs.

So, like, you know? Not for long, probably, right? Hopefully, because there's a chance that Matthi Kachuk will return at the end of this month. Yes.

And hopefully, some more of the players, like Etulus Reinen, maybe will come back at the end of the month as well as he

recovers from his burns from that

tragic propane accident. Barbecue accident.
Sounds like a fried turkey situation gone wrong. Or was it before Thanksgiving? It was before Thanksgiving.

Okay, because there was another one, not Jimmy Snuggerude, but maybe Vorankov on the... No, not Varonkov.
No, no. We don't talk about that in a story.
Torpachenko. Torpachenko.
Torpachenko.

We're going to talk about that.

We'll get to that in a second.

I'm actually thinking maybe it was pasta. Pasta water that fell on her.
Oh, no.

I'm thinking that. I'm thinking.
Maybe. Maybe.

But I don't think it was a fried turkey situation we'll talk about that in a second but just on the panthers like i know it's rough right now and they're out of it and the the leafs are out of it as well but they're only five points out of the atlantic division yeah that's the thing i mean we're making a mountain out of a i hate using this term a mountain out of a mole heel all right i mean we're we are early in the season

it's I mean, if you get on a winning streak and hopefully some of the teams lose, then you'll be back in it. Now,

it's going to take a little bit of help, but that's the situation. They're going to help themselves.

My positive spin is something that we haven't had to experience the last few years as Panthers fans, right? And that's. Winning?

No, we've experienced. We've been doing plenty of that.
Panthers fans, I keep saying we.

Stop doing that. You're a journalist.

I am. I just, you know, my youth versus my adulthood.
But anyway, my positive spin is that it's been a few years since Panthers fans have had to sweat out a playoff race.

Like they haven't had to watch the standings that much in March and April. But this year, they may have to do that.

And the fact that they could have a team that's like way better than most if they get as healthy as if they get everybody back except for Barkov, which they may by the time the playoffs roll around, I don't know.

That sounds like fun to me. I think they just need to be within striking range at the Olympic break.

If they're just still hanging around at the Olympic break, they'll be able to make a charge late season and they'll be able to hang around. But again, it's five points.

It's December and teams are playing at ridiculous paces. They won't play at all season.
Like the Flyers are on like a 102 point pace. It's going to slow down.

Win four games in a row and you're right back in the standings. Like it's fine.
Speaking of the Olympic break, the progress on the building of the Olympic ice rink in Milan is not going well.

In fact, the rink is going to be smaller than NHL standard size. How does that happen, Roy? It's a classic Europe to U.S.
mistake. It's the metric system versus the customary system, 100%.

That's literally what happened. As you know, usually international ice rinks are bigger because, again, the metric system.
Usually bigger than NHL ranks. Usually.

But they're going by NHL regulation size for these Olympics. Now,

I mean, the word is, and this is coming from Team Canada's assistant, Coach Peter DeBoer, the rink is going to be three to four feet smaller than standard NHL ranks.

And, you know, the ranks are usually 200 by 85 feet. So it would come in around 197 by 85.
By comparison, and we're talking about old rinks now.

By comparison, this would make the ice just about the size of Boston Garden. 191 to 83 feet.
Now, the smallest ice rink that we've probably seen would be Chicago Stadium. Yes.
185 by 85 feet.

That's the boxing ring that they played hockey in. How did we live in a time where hockey ice surfaces in the NHL were not regulated? That seems

asinine to me. It seems like ballparks.
Asinine. How did we play on different size surfaces in different cities? That's insane.
It depends on the size of the arena, right?

Chicago Stadium was a barn, literally a barn. Well, I think that's because so many of the buildings were built before they thought about regulating that kind of thing.

And it's hard to wind that tape back. Yeah.
I don't know.

I'm trying to remember where it was earlier this week when this was on.

And I don't know if it was Laz or somebody was talking about how, like, why wouldn't hockey arenas do it like baseball and have every stadium have its own unique dimensions that could be like catered to that particular team?

I think that's a cool idea. I find that crazy.
I don't find it crazy in baseball at all, but I find it crazy in hockey. And

what we're going to see with small ice, but there's not going to be a lot of room. No, it's going to be a lot more checking, right? Yeah.

It's got to be more, like, if it's bigger and bigger, if it's international ice, it'll be like three on three.

The way the ice is going to look out there with all those. Well, that's what I was looking forward to, is the wide open ice.
So you can, the steel guys can do their thing a little bit more.

It's certainly not Panthers hockey, but it's still, there's entertainment to be had. Just to note, for those that don't know,

they played on a smaller ice surface in Sweden when they had the Global Series this year. And what will happen is they'll shrink the neutral zone.
So that's the fix.

They'll paint the lines differently. They will shrink the neutral zone so that the offensive zones are the same size.

I'm concerned, guys. Like, are you guys freaking out? It's going to be the same amount of room behind the net.
It'll be the the same amount of room in the offensive zone.

They're just going to shrink the neutral zone probably by, what, a foot and a half each on each side, right? If it's three feet.

Guys, I'm concerned. Like, Bill Daly was asked recently, what are the chances that NHL players don't show up? And he said, what are the chances that the arena is not finished?

If the arena's not finished, he says they're not coming. Well, so

there's no plan B.

There's no plan B.

There's no plan B for an arena. That's it.
They would have to use somebody else's arena outside of Milan, right? Well,

they're formulating that plan now because they've said that there was no plan B, that that arena that they're building was the Olympic arena.

Torino hosted the Olympic Games in 2006. They brought this up on What Chaos, which we'll have DJ being on later,

which I'm really excited about, guys. By the way, I love DJ.
But can't they just play in Torino? Like, how far are Torino and Milan? There was an Olympic Games there 12 years ago.

Like, there's got to be an arena that we can play in. Is that arena still there?

He ain't there anyway. 12 years?

No, sorry. that's not 12 years.
Oh, my God. What am I doing?

That's 20 years. Kind of like with Stockholm.
I've stated five Winter Olympics ago. Yeah.
Oh, geez. So they're relics now.
Oh, boy. It's probably mold and grass growing inside the arena at that point.

But we were talking about weird injuries. Obviously, we talked about Alexi Turochenko, who is weak to week for the Blues right now after he sustained scalding burns.

And did this happen after Thanksgiving or during the week of the? I heard the news right after Thanksgiving. So I was kind of like, like I said in the hockey hockey chat,

I was like, is this a fried turkey situation? And then somebody was like, you have Torpachenko frying a turkey?

And I was like, okay, that would be never going to get through a show without him mentioning the hockey situation.

And just so you guys know, Roy, they renovated the Torino Arena seven years ago. All right, so it's still in use.
Seems like a pretty easy backup plan, if you ask me, guys. Well, next question.

How far is... Milan from Torino?

Yeah,

you look up Google Maps on that one, buddy.

Oh, it's close. How close? Less than two hours.
It's yes. Two hours.
You have to remember, this is Europe, guys. Okay.
You can get

there from a train.

It takes you seven hours to get, and you can go like five hours. We are single-handedly solving this problem on the hockey show right now.

I hope everybody's listening because we have solved your problem, everybody. But yeah, Torochinko getting hurt like that, scolding burns, adds a loose rhino with the propane situation.

I got a solution for this, too. It's a cause and contracts.
What do I say when I see a goalie bleep up outside the crease? Stay your ass out of the crease. Stay your ass out of the kitchen.

Damn right.

It'll be like the most misogynistic hockey rule since who knows? Well, what about Jack Hughes? What are you going to do? Stay your ass out of restaurants? Stop hanging out with Frank the Tank.

Maybe hockey can just get some kind of endorsement deal where the players can buy their own.

I don't want to say a name because I don't know who's sponsored and who's not, but somebody to get them to deliver food. You know what I mean? Just whatever.
Just stay out of the kitchen. Stay safe.

Yeah.

Last week, by the way, the Sharks and the Senators, speaking of safety,

they got fined by the NHL because the NHL has this rule. They got fined? Yeah.

Somebody got fined.

One of the teams got fined by the NHL because they, as you know, they grandfathered the rule saying that

this is during the 2019-2020 season that those drafted that season and thereafter

must wear helmets during pregame skate. Now, the Sharks and Senators last week did not wear helmets at all during pregame skate.
Oh yeah they were both in Vegas and neither one wore helmets.

Yeah yes they were both in Vegas.

I think the senators did that for luck because they had lost six in a row in Vegas. They ended up winning that game.

The Sharks did the same thing although they didn't claim that it was luck but they decided not to go with helmets during pregame skate.

That is a copycat league so yeah they lost five in a row in Vegas and then lost again so now six in a row. So that's the situation there.

And one of the teams got fined. So what do you think about this?

Audio, this is the front office and the NHL right now being fuddy duddies because they don't want people getting hurt during pre-game skate. I feel like

I hesitate, but then like my, I just go back. Maybe it's the dad in me, but I'm just thinking, do you want to change it after someone gets clocked in the side of a head with a puck during warm-ups?

You do you want to maybe change the rule ahead of time and save somebody from getting their brain mashed? But I mean, it's a personal choice, right? They are playing hockey. It's not a safe sport.

It sure isn't. They are grown men.
And they look so much cooler when their buckets are off and they're out there letting people. Well, not all Timmy Pinner and he's bald.
Yeah.

All right. It's time for Puck Luck.
It's a choice, though. Yes, it was a choice, and it actually worked out for me.

He's actually doing better this season. Yeah, he's doing well, actually, dude.
All right, it's time for Puck Luck. It's sponsored by DraftKings.
DraftKings, the Crown is yours, David.

Well, that's one money, man. I'm broke.
Let's go. I got a good feeling about this week, and I think maybe it's because I just stayed my ass out of the Eastern Conference.

It's enough with the Eastern Conference. But all right, so puck luck tonight.
First off, I like Dylan Gunther on the Utah Mammoth. They're having a fun season.

Utah has been, it's a fun team to watch, right, Roy? Yeah. So Utah is in Vancouver, who we just love.
I'm thinking Dylan Gunther goes over his shot total of 2.5.

He's been over that line in seven of his last eight road games and four of his past five overall. Vancouver also allows the seventh most shots in the NHL.
So there's that.

Next game, we're going to go to Dallas. I like Will Smith on the Sharks' top line to go over the 2.5 shots total as well.
He's over that line in

four of his past five overalls. Speak the English language, David.
Hey, you're doing good. And four straight on the road as well.
And in that game, we're going to get a little same-game action going.

We're going to take Dallas on the puck line over San Jose just because Dallas has been dominant both at home and everywhere else.

San Jose, they're okay this year, but I think Dallas coming off a loss is going to hand it to him. Total odds on that parlay plus 533.
Go make yourselves some money, folks.

All right, ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the stat of the week.

The Hockey set of the week.

Roy, you've got a stat this week, huh? That's right. The Toronto Maple Leafs, for the fourth consecutive game, have scored on their first shot on goal.
That hasn't been done.

Two teams have done that, including them

for the first time in 15 years. That's gross.

It's my inner goaltender talking, but ew. Of course.
Yeah, of course. I mean, of course, you're not going to like that.
Well, because after it happens the second time, right?

Tampa's the other team, by the way. Of course it is.

After that happens the second time, then you're aware of it. Like, oh, God, they've scored in their first shot the last two games.
Like, the third team is aware. The third goalie is aware.

The fourth goalie is definitely aware. The e-bug is aware.
Didn't Tristan Jari do the reverse of this last year?

He lit up like the first shot, a goal on like the first shot of the game in like four straight games or something. Maybe it was just six in total.
I don't know.

Last year was bad. You have a pit in your stomach, don't you? I don't like it.
Okay, it's time for it.

I'm going to be watching Toronto, whoever they play next, I'm going to be watching to make sure that they don't score on their first goal. I guess they play Montreal Saturday night.

Oh, that's going to be

hockey night in Canada. They better not give up the first goal.
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David, what is your win? My win is sticking with the goalie theme. It's a double win.

First off, we had in the USHL a goalie fight. Nope.
We had a goalie fight, and it was a great one. Oh, my God.
The Green Bay Gamblers and the Sioux City Musketeers, great name, by the way.

Gamblers goaltender Leo Enriquez and Musketeers tendy writer Shea went at it. And oh my God, the haymakers were flying.
The footwork was spectacular. The referees could not get in and rip them apart.

It was so good. So we had that, a great goalie fight between the gamblers and the musketeers.
And then we're going to go to the WHL because Tri-City Americans goaltender. Oh, wow.
Look at the bench.

Oh, we're still talking about the fight. Yeah, my take on this is the guys on the bench were a little bit too excited.
Dude, goalie. They look like they won the Stanley Cup, man.

They're throwing sticks, jumping up and down, like a little bit too excited for

these things are amazing. Yeah,

I would definitely have the same reaction. If it was a goalie fight on the bench, I would have the same reaction.

No, it's like when a goalie scores a goal, which we're going to get to in a second, you got to do what players do when they score the goal. You do the benchline.
You enjoy it. Yeah.

So as I was saying, we're going to go to the WHL now. Tri-City Americans goaltender.
Xavier Went went for it. He scored a goal.
Jesus Christ did. But like, credit to the Swift Current Broncos.

They're down 3-0. They're still pulling their goalie.
You got to go for it here.

But yeah, Xavier Went scored from behind his own goal line right down the middle. He scored a goal.
I love a good goalie goal. It was just a great week for goalies and some minor pro hockey.

He went, he did the benchline, all that. Good for him.
He's pinned that off, too. Well, hell yeah.
All right. My win of the week.

That was for when.

That was the delayed reaction. Delayed penalty.
Retroactive. I thought that was great wordplay on my part, but whatever.
All right. What happened to Calam Palmieri definitely was not a win, right?

Like he injured himself trying to get a check off along the boards in the Flyers Islanders game. But what happened after he got hurt is the win.
Now, he tried to check Jamie Drysdale into the boards.

He got hurt. He ended up with an ACL tear.
He's done for the season.

Flyers cleared the puck. They cleared the puck out of the zone, but it was brought back in via possession by Emil Andre.
And Palmeri just took it off his stick.

It was not offside because the Flyers brought it back in on possession. He was not offside.
It could have been too many men in the face, though. That's the best assist ever.

Took it off of Andre's stick, gave it to John Nenduran, Duran, and he had a drop pass to Emil Heinemann, who ended up scoring.

So that means that Carl Palmeri ended up with a secondary secondary assist. That was the last act of his season.

And he had surgery ACE. Yeah, who's got an assist with a torn ACL?

I think it's a win of the week, just the fact that you're giving the Islanders any flowers.

Oh, well,

I'm not done there because once we get to the Phils,

you'll see why. CYA, very good.
Yeah, Ethan, what's your win? Guys, you know, I love Connor Berdard so much, and he's having such a good year.

And it continued the other night in Vegas with not one, but two spectacular moments. Let's roll the clip here.
First, this breakaway goal here just shows everything he's about.

His speed has been so improved this year. And then watch this release.
Bam. Top left corner, right over the shoulder of Carter Hart.
And then this is just so dirty. Let's run these back again here.

This first goal, breakaway speed again. The fire, he has had some insane releases this year on some of his goals.
Snapped it off top corner. And then this is just absolutely filthy.

This kid's amazing. Put him on Team Canada.
Everybody wants to see him at the Olympics. Put Celebrini on there, too.
Both of these guys deserve to make Team Canada.

It would be, I'm not going to say it's a shame because it's going to be Olympic hockey, but it would be really upsetting if we don't see Connor Berdard in Milan. Or Torino.

Nobody in the league can change their release point the way Conor Berdard does. It is.

It's awesome when you showed the way he brought the puck from out where it's normally to all the way next to his skates. And then he fired that ridiculous shot, Top Cheese.
Yeah, normally.

Like that earlier this year, too. It's amazing.
He's unreasonable. It's spectacular.
Normally,

nobody in this league shoots with the puck that close to their skates like that. No, with that velocity, with that accuracy while moving to his right, he brings it back to his left.

That shit is special. What do you think the flex on his stick is?

I have no idea.

For him to do that. Goalie sticks don't have flex, Roy.
No, Conor Bedard. Yeah, I know, but I don't.
What do I know about that? Yeah, I mean, what you know about it. I'm not ripping slappers.

Clappers. Okay.
Oh, no. You should be.
You should be out there saving them. Yeah.
Oh, wow.

I don't know about saving Connor Medard's shots. Oh, that'd be different.
I would love to see Connor Medard up against you, Dave. That would be great.
No. No.
I can't even stop Roy.

I'm going to stop Connor Redard. Bar down.
You went bar down on him? I did. There's video evidence.
Oh, man. How have we not seen this yet, dude? Well,

drop it in for the next rose didn't do the video. But yeah, I think it was Jordan.
Jordan McPherson right now got that video.

My lovely wife. Yeah.

She laughed at your ass.

I remember that. That was hilarious, man.
She just, she pointed and laughed at you. Happy wife, happy life.
All right, what is your fail?

Other than that,

we're going to go to the ECHL this time.

Roy, I think you might join me in this fail. Ethan, maybe, I'm not sure, actually.

Maybe. 100%.
Okay. The Kalamazoo Wings had a themed night last night, another one of these themed nights.
They're fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it was for the movie Wicked. They painted the ice.

They painted it pink and green. Cosmo and Wanda, what are you doing there? What in the world is happening? Do you guys get that joke? I did not get that joke.
Are you the fairly odd parents?

You said Cosmo. I thought you were talking about the sign film.
Fairy odd parents. Fairy odd parents? Dude, I am 41 years old.
I did not watch the Fairy Odd Parents.

So my fail of the week is Ethan referencing the Fairly God Parents.

Fairy Odd Parents thing. My failure of the week.
But I don't know.

I feel like Rose might have liked that.

Stranger Things, but you can't do red and black because the puck is black. So I don't know.
I just. Like, if you want to do a theme night, I'm all for it.
Bring the fans in, get them excited.

But that, like, yuck. So the left side of the rink was pink, and the right side was green.
It looks like a. Do you guys.
Okay, here's a reference you might get.

It was like the wicked, yeah. I remember it.
Remember the east and the wicked witch of the west situation? I think like one of them represents Glinda the Good Witch, and the other one represents

Alphaba. I can't think we all remember that.
Honestly, like, when I'm looking back at it, it looks like this rink is brought to you by Pepto-Bismal. It looks like a go-gurt.

Like, like, you have it mixed up, you know, like the two yogurts, one on either side.

And then Cosmo and Wanda, they were Timmy's very odd parents, and they used to disguise themselves in things, and you would just see pink and green. So there's Cosmo and Wanda.

Remember those yogurts that came out with the toppings that you could mix in for a minute? Like you got sprinkles. Oh, yeah, the Oreos.
We've got some of those sometimes in here. Those are good.

Yeah, I'm sure you're happy about that. My fail of the week comes from...
Same game as my win. And I am very happy I get to do this because it finally happened.

The on-ice reason why no sensible team should sign Tony D'Angelo happen during the Flyers Islanders game.

Take a look.

Here, Bobby Brink. Pressure on D'Angelo.
D'Angelo thinks on his forehand he's got an easy play to make.

No looks at his partner's not there. It's Katurier.

No look pass. Trying

no look pass, trying to get that puck to

Adam Pellich and did not see a flyer. It was a tape to tape pass Deshaun Catorier, and Katorier made damn sure to score on that goal.

And I'm very, very happy that it did it because I get to talk shit once again about Tony D'Angelo and what a bonehead move it was for the New York Islanders to sign this man. What were you thinking?

What were you thinking? And now you get to pay for it by giving up a stupid ass goal by. Oh my gosh.
Oh.

Roy, my fail of the week is how you put you put it out on. No, no, no, no.
How you puttered out on that rant. No.
You, you tapered out, man. You had it.
You were, you were doing so good.

You were doing so good. And then you just totally, totally, totally peetered.
You left a pot on for the video. I know.
I know. I threw it off.
That's my bad. All right, fine, whatever.

But yes, I am very happy that I get to talk shit about Tony D'Angelo yet again because of something stupid he did defensively as a defenseman. Yeah.

You can get a job at Papa John serving pizzas like that.

Yes, you can. Extra large, some sack, extra large pizzas.

Ethan, what you found. All right, I actually do have something.

I went to the game last night. Yeah.
It's a 1-0 game in the third period. Were you guys there?

No,

I was there. They were there.
They started the wave in a 1-0 game in the third period. And I want to ask DJ about this because this goes under the behavior report column.

That's bad behavior by the fans there. It's a 1-0 game.
I'm trying to watch the game, and people are doing the wave like it's, you know, we're up 6-0 or something. They played Peppers before the

Maybe that's why we lost. So, yeah, a double whammy by

the Panthers entertainment staff and the fans. Faux pas.
Yes, losing to what, the second worst team in the Western Commons.

You could make an argument. There aren't many that have less points than the Panthers, but Nashville is one of them.
Yeah,

that's not good. You got 11 games,

11 home games and 12 games. Sport teams in the West with less points than Florida.
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All right.

And the one thing that I can get swag, we don't get swag. Yeah, we don't, exactly.
That's my favorite hockey show. I aspire to getting free stuff.
Yes. They get free stuff.

I don't get enough free stuff. We don't get enough free stuff around here.
How do you guys do it?

Well, first of all, I just caught a glimpse of a jersey. Is that a Seth Jones winner classic?

Dude, I'm telling you right now, DJ, when you guys mentioned on the show that you're buying a Seth Jones winter classic jersey, I had already purchased a Seth Jones Winter Classic jersey.

And I was like, I cannot wait to have DJ on the show so that we can talk about the fact that we both have Seth Jones winter classic jerseys.

I want the story of why you have a Seth Jones winner classic, Two now Seth Jones Winter Classic jerseys. Absolutely.
First, I'll answer Roy's question.

We, a lot of people don't understand that, yes, we do get some stuff sent to us, but so much of the stuff on our set has been purchased by Pete and I. Like,

it would be embarrassing if I told you

how little

I've netted from this show relative to what we could have netted if we did not buy stuff at every turn. We go, we're obsessed with team stores.
We love it. I mean, who doesn't?

Sean's caught the bug for sure. We go, like, we went to a Chargers game, my Chargers, and we went nuts in that team store.
I'm a Chargers fan.

Those guys don't even care about the Chargers, and they're going nuts in there. So, yes, we have...

We work with a lot of good companies and brands. So we certainly do get some stuff, but you would be surprised by

the percentage of the stuff on our set that is just

no sale, just like bought out of pocket, 100% price from Pete and myself.

As for the Seth Jones Winter Classic jersey, I'm a Seth Jones guy, always been a Seth Jones guy.

We had Emily Kaplan on last yesterday, and she was saying, you know, like, Nobody thought the Blackhawks were going to trade Seth Jones.

And I was like, hand up, two years running, I've been saying a playoff team like the Panthers should go out and trade for Seth Jones. Like, I love Seth Jones.
He eats minutes.

I'm very big into very good players. Like, I love elite players.

I love like top end players.

But, like, Seth Jones is a very good player. And when a big name or a high draft pick is not elite, people decide they stink and that's just wrong.
Seth Jones is a very good player.

So I loved the Winter Classic jerseys last year. Got that Seth Jones one after the game, oddly.
He was terrible in that game and demanded a trade following it.

Not long following it, but I still got it and I loved it. I got the A sewn on it.
It's one of my favorite jerseys.

And then when these Panthers Winter Classic jerseys came out, which I think we can all agree are beautiful, I was like, I got to get one. I'm going to get a Marshawn.

And Pete and Sean were like, the hell you are. You're going to get another Seth Jones Winter Classic jersey.
So

before I I knew it, in the mail was a Seth Jones Winter Classic jersey. And I love it.
You're rocking it.

Are you coming for the Winter Classic? Like, should we, is this a matching scenario? Should we match for the Winter Classic if you're coming down? What the hell is the matter with you? Brother,

I'm not as of this moment, but something's come up where we might be able to go. I think Pete has a scheduling thing so he can't go.
And we don't really do stuff without each other.

So so i would guess i'm i would say that i'm doubtful but if i go we said the last winter class that we went to we're like we got to also get tickets we do the

um of course we go with credentials and we sit in the press box and it's nice but one of the i'm like damn like i i just want to be among the the people in my seth jones jersey just looking 100 out of 100.

i like it what'd you think about the uh the rangers uh winter classic jersey i I mean, all it is is just the road version of the Centennial jersey.

Yeah, I mean, first time for everything, the Rangers did not do something interesting. It shocked me.
I could not believe it. It is a good jersey, we have to say.

It's not very creative, but it's good. It's just like, I don't know, like, would you rather be the Rangers who have a 10 out of 10 jersey and will only generally do kind of slight variations of it?

Or would you rather be the Celtics who have a 10 out of 10 jersey and every now and then they'll be like we got gold jerseys now we got we got like black and green jerseys now and everyone's like worse yeah that's worse don't do that so you're kind of damned if you do damned if you don't So DJ, something happened in the Panthers game last night.

They lost to Nashville in overtime.

But I think it was in the third period. Philip Forsberg tried something that is becoming fairly common these days, and it's a Michigan goal.
And we'll put it up here for you.

Bob defended it beautifully. It was almost reaction for Bob to just pop his glove.
As soon as he saw what was going on right here, you see him snap before he's even snapped his head around.

He already had his glove up. I thought that was perfect.
My question to you is, is the Michigan now outdated? Is it over? Are we over it?

Is it so easy that goalies have it in their repertoire to stop it? Do we need the next Michigan? We've been trying to figure that out on our show for a while. Like, is the Michigan over?

I think it will honestly get cooler the more. like Philip Forsberg is no spring chicken.
He's not old, but he's no spring chicken.

I think that if it's not just the Trevor Ziegrases and Connor Bedards doing it, I think that it actually becomes cooler and not in the way that like I think it's cool when I do 6'7 as a 5,000 year old.

I think that if you have older players trying the Michigan, it's kind of interesting, but...

You hit on what I like about it.

Our friend Steve Peters, who's one of the former Coyotes video coach, like the best hockey analyst in the world for my money.

He has been very big on stand up, just like yelling at the goalies, like stand up. Reverse VH has taken over the world and you don't always need to be in that position.

Sometimes standing up is the better play. And Bob didn't stand up, but at least he was accounting for.

the top corner of the net there because you see so many goals that are now scored by players banking on a goalie being down. So I like that players are trying to outthink it.

And I like the goalies now finally, we saw it last night with Bob, are kind of starting to answer for it.

DJ, your team, the Edmonton Oilers, they beat the Seattle Kraken 9-4 last night. But the way the season is going,

what are they doing?

It's weird because The Panthers and Oilers obviously are intertwined for a lot of reasons, reasons that you probably prefer

and that don't make me super thrilled. But going into the year, I was pushing the idea of a fallow year, which in agriculture is when you don't plant anything and you don't grow stuff.

And you say, you know what, this year we're going to let the soil get all its nutrients back, be in tip-top shape for when we grow stuff again.

I didn't know if it was going to be this year, but I knew it had to happen at some point. I didn't know if it was going to happen

this year, next year, whenever, but at some point during the Marshawn contract, we'll say the Panthers were going to need to take a year off and

a year off from like a deep playoff run and then come back strong and with a couple of new guys and kick the ass they typically kick.

What I did not expect is that like a lot of playoff teams seem to be doing that. I don't know why.
Panthers, you can at least understand it given their injuries. The Oilers have been weird.

The Jets have been weird.

In the case of the Oilers, no one's going to remember this, but before the season, the Athletic put out rankings, like statistical researched rankings on all of the strengths and weaknesses of all these NHL teams.

And the Oilers were ranked the number one defensive team in the NHL, which I was like,

I love the Oilers. And I kind of see why you mean that they're a good defensive team, especially in the playoffs, because they shut that the hell down.

I don't know if they're the best defensive team, but I guess we'll find out. They have been defensively dreadful this season.
And there's been a lot of nights where the offense hasn't been there.

I mean, when Jack Roslovic, who was basically a free player they got after the season started, got injured, I was like, oh no. There goes one of their best offensive players.

So the short answer is the kind of cliche of not enough guys have really shown up this year. They were without Zach Hyman for a while, but he's back and he's really starting to get going.

Ryan Nugent Hopkins was a big miss because he's been playing some of his best hockey of the season this year. So without him, that really, really hurt.

They've been without Jake Wallman for a long time. Everybody makes it about the goaltending.
And yes, I would love to upgrade the goaltending if I'm the Oilers, but

it really is not their biggest problem. And I think it's such an oversimplification to blame everything on Stuart Skinner.
Like.

Yes, he's got probably like an 890 save percentage, which is not good. Calvin Pickard's been way, way, way, way worse, but ultimately the issue has been team defense.
It's been dreadful.

The first half of last season, Darnell Nurse was one of the best defensemen in the NHL. That's not happening right now.
Matthias Etcom has his good days. He has his bad days.

Evan Bouchard, as you know,

he doesn't have good days and bad days. He has best player on the ice days and he has

unemployable days. So they've been inconsistent and/or hurt.

I think they're going to turn it around. I think that they'll, they'll probably have a harder time turning it.
And they haven't been playing good hockey the last few games at least, but

I think they'll have a harder time kind of recovering from their early season slump than, say, the Panthers will, because I think the Panthers have some catchable teams in front of them.

I don't know how many, like there are some obvious ones in the West that'll drop out, but not a lot.

DJ, one last thing before we let you go as we're getting shoot out of the studio here. Yeah, they're throwing us out with pitchforks over here.

But no, I wanted to get your take on, you know, they're talking about how the Olympic ice rink might be too small or smaller than they expected.

We talk about all the time how much we love NHL playoff hockey, Stanley Cup playoff hockey.

Could we be getting ice the size of the NHL, Stanley Cup type intensity, but with the Olympic like type of gravitas attached to it? Like, I'm trying to spin this into a positive here.

Well, I believe we're getting ice the size of the Stanley Cup. We're just drinking it.

It's just getting smaller and smaller and smaller, which Pete's very happy about that because he's like, small ice, small boys. Put Cole Caulfield on the team.

And he's rattling off all his short kings he wants on the team. Sean Moore wants like a bunch of Taige Thompsons kind of crashing into walls, having stuff on that doesn't fit them.

I think that this is going to be, I mean, we all saw four nations set the table for what could be an incredible Olympics.

The biggest problem, of course, other than the dinky ice is that you can't fight in the Olympics. And I personally don't like fighting in hockey.
I loved the fighting in Four Nations.

It seems so much more genuine and the kachuk of it all.

I know that we're mad that the kachucks have a podcast and that's the end of the world. But

I think the like the

just the emotion that so many players across multiple countries have brought to this, it's going to be amazing. I cannot wait.
Pete said something yesterday about, like, we should do an event.

We should do a watch party for these. And I was like, no, we shouldn't.
I want to go to a bar and watch with the people and scream my head off. I don't want to have any responsibilities.

I want this to be a blast, and I think it's going to be.

I want to be drunk at like 11.30. I want to be drunk at like 11.30 in the morning, you know, watching us play like Latvia or something.
Yeah,

that's a crazy accusation, bro. That is a crazy accusation.
Well, you're getting drunk at 1130 in the morning.

You have a flood of cornflake in it.

Well, DJ, we appreciate you joining us today as they just like that. They're coming in.
They're throwing us out, man. I don't appreciate that.
But

doing the work.

They probably have guns. Yes.
Yes.

Stand your law. Stand your ground over here.

If someone ever tried to kick us out of our office, we just start crying and then they leave. Massachusetts rocks.
Yeah, well, we do things differently down here. DJ.

I can't stop looking at that that Seth Jones.

It's the logo. It's a beauty, dude.
Everybody's wearing them at the Panther games. They're gorgeous.
Yeah, yeah. Everybody's wearing them.
Yeah. Yeah, they're everywhere.
They love them.

Zephicat, brother.

DJ, thank you for joining us, man. We appreciate you.
Hit that ice bath. Appreciate you guys anytime.
Hit that ice bath.

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All right, it's time to go into the Panthers den in Florida. Is a shell of themselves.
They have now lost five of their last six,

and four of those came in regulation. In fact, if it wasn't for Nashville, they would have zero points in the last three weeks.
Dude, they're all on home ice. Like, what happened?

I said two weeks weeks ago, you know, when the Panthers came off of that West Coast trip, that this would be, this section of the season would be the one that turns it around for them.

Excellent home team at the beginning of the season. 11 home games in 12 games.
Yeah.

And it has not worked out. It started out well.
I mean, they won three of the first four, and it seemed like they were starting to get some, build some momentum. They were playing good hockey.

They were figuring things out just in terms of getting the puck in the net. And whatever happened

around Thanksgiving. I mean, it started with the Edmonton game, but Bob was just bad in that game.
Yeah. So he put them behind the eight ball right away.
Then they got that big win in Nashville.

And you're like, okay, you know, we're okay. They're going to be fine.
And four straight home losses, where two of which they had two-dole leads. Yeah.

One of which did not have a top six forward in Carter Verhege as he went on paternity. Yes.
So about two days. Congratulations to the Verhege family on the birth of a little boy.
Yeah.

Came back strong as I mentioned with DJ

baby bumping. The baby bump the body.
You knew he was going to do it. Yeah.
Yes. And ended up with a goal.
He ended up. Yeah, four or five shots in the first period.
Yes.

In fact, I told everybody on Twitter,

X, as it's called now, apparently,

the baby bump theory.

Like, bet on shots. Yeah.
Bet on any time points. Got a goal and hit the shot threshold.
In the first period. He did one money.
In the first period. Yes.
In the first period. So he got out of the way.

Maybe he should have scored in the third period. But yes, he got out of the way.
So yeah, the Panthers right now, just not looking good. And hopefully, they'll try to climb out of this hole.

Yeah, it's just...

You can only survive so much, right? Like, Barkov and Kachuk is one thing, but then you add in Lusterainen, Kulakov, Gadjovich, Nosik, Schwint.

There's one more. Is there one more? Gotta be.
Lucerainen. No, I got Gadjovich.
I think I got all of them. But anyway,

it's just too much right now. It's just too much.
There's too much depth missing. There's calling up guys from rookies, Jack Devine.

They're playing Studnica, who hasn't played in the NHL in two years.

Petrie got scratched. It's just Petrie got scratched for Sobrango.
It's just too much right now. There's too much attrition for the Panthers to handle.

I mean, you see a lot of these games, and it's like the Philly game I was at. They go up 2-0, and then they get dominated for two periods.

They go up 2-0 in the first period, and you're feeling really good. And then they get dominated for two periods, end up losing 4-2.
The Calgary game, they go up 2-0 right out of the shoot.

They get dominated. They end up losing 5-3.
Like, it's the same game right now, and it's very frustrating. They do not have the players to play their style of game.
Correct.

Gajovic, it's so key at the bottom of the lineup.

Like, you know, they're doing as good as they can, but when you miss Gajovic and Nozick and then Greeter's playing up on the third line, which has been effective. Like, I love A.J.

Greeter the way he's able to flip between the third and the fourth line, but it's just...

Yeah, he had a rough night last night. He had one really bad shift, the one where he took the penalty at the end of the day.
He had two turnovers before the penalty. Yeah, that was really rough.

But guys, you know,

the last time we had a show, I said, let's take a deep breath because they were playing well. Let's take a deep breath because when you really look at it, they're five points out.
It's December.

A lot of these teams are playing at ridiculous paces, and they're not going to play at these paces all season, like the Flyers and the Penguins.

You look at it right now, the Metro division is the stronger division in the Eastern Conference, which is never really really the case the last few years. That won't last.

The Panthers are only five points out in the division to the Montreal Canadiens. I don't know.
Is that sustainable?

Is the Bruins having 32 points sustainable? No, no, alright, in the middle of the division. We're at the point now where you can't just not write off teams saying, well, they're having a good start.

You're 30 games in. You're right about that.
We got to start looking at some of these teams like serious contenders.

The Panthers also have three games in hand on the Bruins, and they're six points back. Oh, we're back.
I know. We're doing it.
We're back.

But if they win all three of those games in hand, they're even on points. So it's like, we're doing the math again.
I know it's boring. It's annoying.
Nobody wants to do it, but you have to do it.

And like I said earlier in the show, if they can just get to the Olympic break and be in striking distance, they'll make a charge late. They'll find their way into the playoffs.

But right now, it's frustrating. They're a hard watch.
I don't enjoy watching the 2025-26 Florida Panthers right now. And how could you? They're missing seven regular players in their lineup.

All right. They closed out the homestand against Columbus and the Islanders.
Now, that is far away

two better teams than the Nashville Predators, who they lost in overtime too. So, whatever.
We'll see if they bounce back from

that loss.

They could not close the show against Nashville, even though Bob played pretty damn well. It's just too bad.

Thanks to Mike Ferrents and Jason in the back. Thank you to DJ Bean for joining us.
I appreciate you. Brunder, thank you for joining us.
And Ethan, good job. Rosie, feel better.
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My name is Roy Balamy.

We have two shows left this year. Two shows.
So

just, I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. And I hope that you will have...

Great holiday season. We'll see you next week.
This is the hockey show, and hopefully the Panthers climb out of whatever the hell they're doing right now. This is terrible.

Turbo.

Terrible. It's terrible, Ernie.
Ernie, hey, Kitty. Kitty.