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Speaker 11 Grateful that Nick Wright is making time for us today. I imagine he's in a bit of a state of despondence.

Speaker 11 So how many body parts would you give up of any kind injured to yourself if I could make Patrick Mahomes not have a torn knee ligament?

Speaker 11 Which body parts would you give up in exchange for having him not be hurt right now?

Speaker 3 Listen, far be it from me to question the editorial judgment of this show, this same show, I think, that

Speaker 3 at least the Miami studio multiple times tried to derail podcast and radio gold to give us, I don't know, baseball updates. But we're not leading with the NBA Cup, Dano? It's,

Speaker 3 I mean, hold on, put me on camera. I even dressed for the occasion.
I'm like Rob Lowe, just with the generic NFL hat, except it's the NBA. A Wimby, Jalen Brunson, you want to talk football?

Speaker 3 I guess people still care about it.

Speaker 3 All of my knee ligaments, Dan.

Speaker 6 All of them.

Speaker 3 What do I need knee ligaments for?

Speaker 3 I mean, like, if that were like a serious thing where it's like, okay, listen, he can, you know, guaranteed to be full health, which he he will be, and back better than ever, which he will be.

Speaker 3 But also, just so he doesn't have to go through, he deserves an offseason. It's been a long seven years.
Yeah, I'd give him my, I don't need my knee ligaments.

Speaker 3 I mean, I like riding bikes, but I'd give that up. It's no problem.

Speaker 3 I mean, what did you think I would say?

Speaker 11 I didn't know, actually. I managed to be wrong twice about your team.
I said they were dead offensively 10 games in. I changed my mind after two games.

Speaker 11 And then, yeah, I got it wrong two times with your team. But what I hadn't realized, Nick, and I don't know if you felt the size of this as well,

Speaker 11 I didn't consider it possibly over until, like all of it over until his knee went out because it affects next season, and I don't know how much your coaches want to be around and your salary cap problems and everything else.

Speaker 11 I thought it was more doomsday than, I hadn't considered doomsday scenario.

Speaker 3 Well, you still shouldn't consider doomsday scenario.

Speaker 3 They have the most talented quarterback in the history of the league who, if he never plays another down, is the second greatest quarterback of all time in the prime of he just turned 30 and like listen this sucks this is a huge bummer this this was the one part of following the brady trajectory that i wanted him to skip the blown out knee in his eighth year as a starter but right after playing for ring four and being the greatest team ever in your seventh year as a starter but he checked this box as well the doomsday stuff is

Speaker 3 foolishness. Like, it can't, and here's why it's foolishness.

Speaker 3 It cannot simply be either the Chiefs this year were going to supplant the 11 to 18 Patriots as the greatest, most successful eight-year run in NFL history, or if they don't, it's doomsday.

Speaker 3 Now, I understand

Speaker 3 the Patrick's knee injury is, you know, more than a fly in the ointment, but it's 2025.

Speaker 3 Like, guys come back from ACLs as good as ever, particularly guys that aren't, you know, I am, I am, if I'm being totally honest, I am sicker for Packer fans this week than I am for Chiefs fans.

Speaker 3 Because Chiefs fans, while I was late to admit it, it was pretty evident during the game. Juju doesn't believe me.

Speaker 6 Oh, he, or he's, he's a Packer fan.

Speaker 3 I don't know if he doesn't believe me or he's a Packer fan.

Speaker 6 I'm a Mills fan.

Speaker 17 I got a lot of words for you.

Speaker 6 Keep going.

Speaker 3 Okay, so we can discuss Juju.

Speaker 3 The Packers were an excellent team that might have had a real shot at the Super Bowl derailed. Like, that is a special type of torture.

Speaker 3 While I didn't want to admit it, it was pretty clear by halftime of the Chargers game, if not weeks prior, that this Chiefs team didn't have it.

Speaker 3 So the 2025 Chiefs, with or without the injury, weren't going to play in or win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 The Packers could have, and their two best players on their team, Kraft and Micah, both went down with injury.

Speaker 3 That is a potential championship taken. And this idea that next year is in question, like,

Speaker 3 I will believe that when I see it. I would, and Dan, I don't know if you know this about me, but I am a gambler.

Speaker 3 um i would bet a lot of money that patrick mahomes is the kansas city chiefs week one starter next year what's juju mad at me about you guys should win the go to the super bowl now like it's never been laid out more perfectly you guys should mahomes isn't there burrows not there lamar who is actually the one guy in the playoffs you guys can beat he might not be there you go go to the super bowl and i'm hoping you do it Like, Bills fans deserve it.

Speaker 3 Bills fans are great fans. Josh Allen's a great player.

Speaker 3 Just no pressure. But if you don't make the Super Bowl this year, you probably never will.
So I'd go ahead and make it this year.

Speaker 17 Yeah, that's my problem.

Speaker 17 Yes, Patrick Mahomes isn't there. Lamar Jackson isn't there.

Speaker 18 You know who else isn't there? The Bills' defensive line. The Bills' receiving core.

Speaker 17 You just can't just, just because Patrick Mahomes isn't there doesn't mean Julian can win a championship this year.

Speaker 2 You have to have a good team, and that's what the Houston 10.

Speaker 3 You don't have a good team?

Speaker 6 No, we have a Superman.

Speaker 3 James Cook's in a rush for 1,700 yards.

Speaker 6 Too

Speaker 6 Right?

Speaker 3 James Cook's pretty good. Your offensive line's pretty good.
Josh Allen is spectacular. And you have a top three past events in football.

Speaker 3 Nobody gets to have a perfect team, guys.

Speaker 3 I'm so sick of hearing this from fans who tell me all year long what a superhero their quarterback is. And then when we approach win, it's do or die.

Speaker 3 It's like, I got to hear from Justin Herbert fans about how bad the offensive line is. I guess Juju's upset that you guys have a bad run defense.
Get over it, bro.

Speaker 3 You have a great pass defense. You have a superhero at quarterback.
You have a great running back.

Speaker 3 You're playing kids and old men.

Speaker 3 You're going to play young, 22-year-olds and 44-year-olds en route to a Super Bowl. Go to the Super Bowl, bro.
It's not that hard. Jeez.
Oldman is five last six. Gary Oldman.

Speaker 18 It It is hard whenever you have random people playing wide receiver for you. We don't attack the free agent market.
All Josh Allen needs is one go-to receiver.

Speaker 18 Instead, he has to find where Dawson Knox is in the year 2025.

Speaker 3 I have listened to Bills fans, and again, I think you're going to go to the Super Bowl this year. I've listened to Bills fans.

Speaker 3 to run this hypothetical of, if you drop Patrick in Buffalo and Josh in Kansas City, what's the ring count? All right, and my answer is, Patrick still has all the rings.

Speaker 6 But Bills fans disagree with me.

Speaker 3 So you mean like they are asking Josh Allen to go to a Super Bowl with like Juju Smith Schuster and Mark Wesvaldez Scantling as his lead receivers, except he also has James Cook instead of Isaiah Pacheco?

Speaker 3 Sounds pretty awesome. Go do it.
Like,

Speaker 3 believe in your team, believe in your guy.

Speaker 3 Give me a break with this woe is me. We don't have a Madden create a team.

Speaker 3 Everything's been laid out perfectly. You're peaking at the right time.
You just walk down the Patriots. I believe in you.
This isn't like some reverse jinx.

Speaker 3 I believe Josh Allen one day is going to win a Super Bowl. Part of me kind of likes the fact that

Speaker 3 if this is the year, I'm like, yeah, he won the Super Bowl, but Patrick wasn't in the tournament. So it's kind of like half a ring.
But this is a great year to do it.

Speaker 3 Go to the Super Bowl, bro. If Bo Nicks or Drake May get there before Josh and it's because, oh man, they had better D-tackle play, then go jump in the ocean, bro.
Like, go to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 13 I'm sorry. I got to point out a couple of things that you said.
Number one, you said it was apparent by the Chargers game, if not a few weeks earlier. Didn't sound like it was apparent to you.

Speaker 13 When you come on the show, you were talking pie in the sky.

Speaker 10 We got this. We gotta do this.

Speaker 13 The other thing you said is, I'm sick of these fans complaining.

Speaker 14 They say, oh, my quarterback's a superhero, but when they lose, oh, they start complaining about the line and all that stuff.

Speaker 6 That's what you just did. You just did that about your own team.

Speaker 3 Okay, so Amin, I again, and I'm not trying to start more like beats with people on the show, but

Speaker 3 I would strongly recommend in the future: if you're gonna run back words that I said, you actually listen to the words that I said. Because

Speaker 3 to deal with the first thing, what I said was it was apparent to everyone but me.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 I was front-running that obvious criticism that I was going to receive because I was the last one. I even think I said I was the last one holding out hope.

Speaker 3 It became apparent to me, I said, by halftime at the Chargers game. And you don't know what I was saying during the Chargers game because I was watching that alone, sad in my house.

Speaker 3 That's first of all. Second of all, what damn excuse did I make at any point in any of this for Patrick Mahomes?

Speaker 3 And first of all, no excuses are necessary. Prior to this year, he'd played in five of the last six Super Bowls.
But

Speaker 3 when have I at any point said that, yeah, there is nothing that could be done? I haven't said any of that. I said the Chiefs didn't have it.
He's on the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 Everybody needed to be better this year, including the quarterback. So I, like that, the, we can do the argument jiu-jitsu if you want, but the, you know,

Speaker 3 you got to tell me what I'm arguing with.

Speaker 13 I kind of feel like you're making the same argument that Juju just made about, hey, even though my quarterback is amazing, there are structural issues with my team that makes it kind of perhaps an obstacle for them to achieve the ultimate prize.

Speaker 3 Sweet Christ, man, are you comparing the worst, the 2025 Chiefs, which were from quarterback play on down, the worst Chiefs team of the decade, to a Bills team coming off its best win of the year.

Speaker 3 Josh Allen, some people believe, is the league MVP. They're the, I think, the highest scoring team in the conference.
They have the best past events they've had in the last three years. Like these are

Speaker 6 these are apples and bowling.

Speaker 13 I'm not comparing the teams. I'm comparing Sergeant Semantics.

Speaker 13 The argument that you are making is strikingly similar to the argument you're striking down from other people, regardless of the caliber of team that we're talking about.

Speaker 3 What is the argument you think I'm making, bro? What are you saying?

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Speaker 6 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 11 But it's just his titties are sitting on the shelf that is his belly.

Speaker 6 Stugats. He said titties anyway.
It like shocked me a little bit. I wasn't quite prepared for titties.

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Speaker 11 All right, this is happening again. This just general tension with Pablo, with Amin, with Juju.

Speaker 11 He's coming after everybody.

Speaker 3 I have no tension with Juju at all. Trista, I have no tension with Juju.
I'm telling Juju, believe in your team.

Speaker 6 Hi. Believe in.

Speaker 6 Hi, hi, I'm Trista.

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Speaker 19 I just was wondering why you're so hyped up right now.

Speaker 3 It's the job, man.

Speaker 6 What are you talking about?

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Speaker 19 Yeah, I want wet blankets.

Speaker 6 Oh, pardon me.

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 3 I'm not going to do it. Like, here's the thing, and this is what I think

Speaker 3 I owe the audience.

Speaker 3 It is not...

Speaker 3 Packer fans. are in just as much pain.

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 3 guys get hurt in pro football.

Speaker 3 it happens and for me to if i were to have come out on monday or today or whenever and been like the the sky is falling when pats fans lost brady for a year in week one cults fans didn't know there was anything wrong with peyton manning and it's like his necks hurt and then they got rid of his ass.

Speaker 3 The Packers, 15 years ago or 10 years ago, had a Super Bowl caliber team and Aaron Rodgers gets his collarbone snapped.

Speaker 3 Like this happens in pro football, and it's not just sadder when it happens to your guy, and it's not just sadder when it happens to the face of the league.

Speaker 3 It might be more damaging for the league marketing-wise, but that's part of pro football.

Speaker 3 And part of what has made the previous seven years so special is they've danced through the raindrops on this stuff. So, I'm not gonna ask for a bunch of like woe is me sympathy stuff.

Speaker 3 I, it's it's pro football, man. Guys get hurt, and you

Speaker 3 try to duck it

Speaker 3 when you have a Super Bowl championship team.

Speaker 3 The only saving grace to this whole thing is, to Amin's point, if he didn't hear me say it earlier, I'll make it clear, I was wrong about this Chiefs team.

Speaker 3 They weren't Super Bowl caliber, and if there was ever a year you were going to lose your quarterback a month for the playoffs, I guess it's good that it's the one year the team stunk.

Speaker 11 I understand that you have to sort of be strident and defiant by calling foolishness me bringing up the the doomsday scenario.

Speaker 11 But the only reason I'm doing this to Patrick Mahomes is because I think you know this. The last seven years must have been really physically hard on him.
And so

Speaker 11 I'm assuming if Kevin Durant's body breaks and they break up after four years, twice as long is really going to hurt a lot more in that sport, emotionally and otherwise.

Speaker 6 That's what I'm most curious about because I've kind of wondered aloud for the last several years, how is Patrick Mahomes' game going to age?

Speaker 6 He leans on his athleticism a little bit more than some of the greatest quarterbacks we've ever seen.

Speaker 6 Every year in the blogosphere, we see some kind of photo of him and his belly in the offseason, him now coming off of a knee injury, in which I believe he tore two ligaments.

Speaker 6 How do you see this guy playing into his 30s? He's going to have to change his game. We trust him to play from the pocket, but it is going to be different, Nick.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so listen, this is where

Speaker 3 I can't prove it to you, and I guess we're going to have to wait and see, but I believe

Speaker 6 an

Speaker 3 insane competitor who also happens to be the most freakishly gifted quarterback in the history of the sport, who also happens to be, by any available metric, the most clutch player on a per-game basis.

Speaker 3 Obviously, Brady has had a 3x longer career in the history of the sport, is going to

Speaker 3 come back and be just as good. Maybe I'll be wrong.
Like, I can't prove that to you. The surgery happened 36 hours ago.

Speaker 3 But I, yeah, I mean, I don't, I, I, I don't, I, I, this is, and this is where I guess I can be annoying to your crew or whomever. I think stuff like this is the dumbest shit imaginable.

Speaker 3 You, like, showing, like, showing a picture of a guy.

Speaker 3 When I think he was in the midst of another

Speaker 3 Super Bowl championship run, and I think that was a photo from the locker room after the first game he went on the road and slayed one of these teams that was better than him.

Speaker 11 For the audio audience, it's a photo of Mahomes shirtless in the locker room.

Speaker 3 And it's supposed to be like, you know, the, you know, like, oh, look at this. Evidently,

Speaker 3 what folks think is

Speaker 3 the ideal quarterback body, they've been wrong about.

Speaker 3 And so, uh,

Speaker 3 I don't, yeah, I mean, I.

Speaker 6 But Nick, that's him. That's also a photo of him in his 20s.
and I I'm with you I don't I don't doubt him either. He's got a special arm talent.
He's at his apex perhaps the greatest I've ever seen.

Speaker 6 But I do think it's fair to question his motivation when it comes to keeping his body in shape. It's not Brady-esque.
That's how Brady got to the three times longer career.

Speaker 6 So given that on top of that.

Speaker 18 Brady was kind of soft though in the beginning.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but then he got into the best shape of his life and playability.

Speaker 11 We can't do it that way.

Speaker 3 After the injury.

Speaker 6 Right.

Speaker 6 So is Patrick Mahomes built that way, is what I'm guessing.

Speaker 6 Because I think part of my concern about how is this guy going to age is he's never been fully dedicated to taking care of his body in the season. And the other thing is,

Speaker 3 hold on. That last thing, I fundamentally disagree with you on.
The idea that he's never been fully dedicated.

Speaker 3 The guy has played an extra season of every other player in the league, and we saw him come back,

Speaker 3 miss no time with a high ankle sprain en route to winning the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 He was playing through a knee injury this last month on the injury report, and it finally gave out on him. The fact that

Speaker 3 that's why I think that picture is dumb, because it implies the guy is not putting the work in on his body. When I think what it actually, I don't think that's the message it sends.

Speaker 3 I think that it is what leads to, like the show Lamar

Speaker 3 shirtless compared to Patrick. Lamar's dealt with injuries throughout the whole tenure of it.
Like, I don't think those things go with each other.

Speaker 3 Like, the chiseled upper body, and therefore, that is, I'm putting in the right work to stay on the football field as a quarterback.

Speaker 3 And he didn't, this was not an injury that he suffered because he was out of shape or something like that. This just happens.
It's football.

Speaker 3 But if you're asking me to be a seer and guarantee he's going to come back as good as before, I obviously can't do that. Is my money on him?

Speaker 3 Literally and figuratively? Of course it is.

Speaker 6 My money is on him too, but I'm saying they just missed the playoffs and he tore his knee at 30. I think it's totally fair to question how is that going to age when at 30 it seems to have hit a wall.

Speaker 11 And I just think that he's not, you cannot doubt Mahomes and doubt what football and ravages of the body are done over seven years of trying as hard as he has, even if he's, even if he's built like Derrick Henry, like you're allowed to.

Speaker 3 Hold on, he turned 30

Speaker 3 three months ago.

Speaker 6 We are, we're, quarterbacks play at a super high level. And he missed the playoffs.

Speaker 3 Say it again. What's your best friend?

Speaker 6 But yeah, but I understand. It's not myopic, though.
Like, yeah, he turned 30 three months ago, and they just missed the playoffs after playing in damn near every Super Bowl the last decade.

Speaker 6 I think it's fair.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and I guess,

Speaker 3 and I,

Speaker 3 the, you're, again, I guess you're asking me to prove something that is unprovable.

Speaker 3 The point that I would make, and I'm not trying to be combative and I'm not trying to be annoying, but maybe I don't know any other way,

Speaker 3 is

Speaker 3 there was, unless they were going to have an endless run, at some point, they were going to have a down year. And whenever that happened, it would also,

Speaker 3 as a tautology, be when Mahomes and Andy are the oldest. So,

Speaker 3 at any point, whenever they have the down year, it could be like, well, all of it caught up to them, and they're older, and Andy's lost his fastball a bit, and Patrick's all of it.

Speaker 3 Now, there is a real factor of a real, you know, sports tragedy of he suffered a devastating injury, which I am not overlooking.

Speaker 3 What I am saying is, we consistently see guys at skill positions come back. So, the Stefan Diggs come back from a torn ACL as a much older wide receiver.

Speaker 3 So, I don't think that this is going to have some super long-term knock-on effect.

Speaker 3 I am worried that if he continues the Brady trajectory, Brady, his first year back from the torn ACL, they won 10 games. It was one of his worst statistical seasons.

Speaker 3 They got clocked in round one of the playoffs, 33-14, by Baltimore, and he wasn't back to being Brady till the next year when he was the best quarterback in the league in 2010, and they were 14-2.

Speaker 3 But even that year, they ended up losing in the first round of the playoffs to Mark Sanchez. And so Brady went three years wrapped around the ACL without winning a playoff game.

Speaker 3 If that happens to Patrick, it will just be conventional wisdom. He's done, they're done.

Speaker 3 Tom, of course, then went to eight straight conference championship games and five of the next eight Super Bowls. So I guess we'll see.
But you keep wanting me to say, I'm worried. I'm not worried.

Speaker 3 And maybe I'll be an idiot, but I'm not worried.

Speaker 11 He's got to go because he's respectful of his colleagues and he's got a meeting to get to. He's the host of FS1's First Things First.

Speaker 11 He's also got the podcast, What's Right with Nick Wright that he does with his son.

Speaker 11 You came on here and you said at the beginning, I don't want to do editorial judgment for this show, but let's do some on the way out.

Speaker 11 Would you like me trying to say, would you like to hear me trying to say the word matriculate earlier in the show, or would you like to hear the sound of Pablo making a joke to Adam Freeland that made you roar with laughter?

Speaker 3 I'd like to hear

Speaker 3 matriculate, please. I'd like to hear that.

Speaker 6 I don't, you know.

Speaker 3 Let me hear it again.

Speaker 11 Matriculate the ball down the field.

Speaker 3 You know what, Dan? I think that was a good effort.

Speaker 6 No edit there.

Speaker 3 Whether you did that intentionally or not, I mean, to start with the Chiefs and then to end with a phrase that was created by the first legendary Chiefs coach, Hank Strom. I mean,

Speaker 3 that's why you're the GOAT, bro.

Speaker 6 I mean, really, you really wrapped it all together.

Speaker 3 I didn't, by the way,

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 I wasn't trying to yell at you, bro. So I, like, this is sincere.
I wasn't trying to yell at you.

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I just, I don't, I don't need any more. I don't need any more beefs.
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Speaker 6 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 11 While there's nothing official and conversations are still ongoing.

Speaker 22 Was that a fake chef turkey?

Speaker 6 Because it was pretty good. It was excellent.
I feel like there's legs.

Speaker 11 I tried at the beginning and then I lost confidence in it. Wow.

Speaker 6 It was good. It was good.
You got this. There's nothing official.

Speaker 6 And conversations are still ongoing.

Speaker 6 Stugats.

Speaker 11 It is trending towards Nick Siriani remaining the head coach of the Eagles.

Speaker 6 This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

Speaker 11 I've got a couple of questions that I want to get to with the group because Chris Cody said in the middle of that, we're stuck in the mud.

Speaker 11 We're stuck in the mud talking about Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 11 And I don't think there will be a bigger injury in that sport because that's the guy who's inherited from all the previous quarterbacks as Aaron Rodgers hangs around and Tom Brady is in the booth.

Speaker 11 Like, that's the centerpiece, biggest star in the league. I know Travis Kelsey as well, but like him getting hurt and us wondering aloud, ah, is that it? And him saying, no, it's fine.

Speaker 11 It'll be another decade. That's a pretty big gulf.

Speaker 6 He did cite blind faith.

Speaker 6 He's the best I've ever seen, so I trust him to do it.

Speaker 6 But we're just holding up the very recent post-30 data point of, well, they're not in the playoffs and he just got hurt in a way that he's never been hurt.

Speaker 13 That's the problem with Nick's counter-arguments because Mike isn't saying he's fat now.

Speaker 13 Mike's just saying, hey, this is a legitimate concern. And Nick's like, no, it's not.

Speaker 6 And I know he's just holding it. I'm like, well, if it isn't, then what just happened? Because they miss the playoffs.
He's 30.

Speaker 11 But the gulf here, to me, that's sort of most interesting on, well, I saw Brady do it.

Speaker 11 He played forever. I think it sort of ignores that Patrick Mahomes on third and six is always running for seven yards.
Like he's been doing it for 10 years.

Speaker 11 He runs for seven yards on third and six and extends the drive.

Speaker 10 Brady didn't have to do that.

Speaker 11 Like Brady, they didn't ask Brady the last 15 years when the margin in that sport is the guy who's the running back, you know, a bunch of people are blocking each other and the guy who's the running back hits the corner because he's this much faster.

Speaker 11 than the corners. When Lamar Jackson can be derailed from MVP to wait a minute, what's happening here when he's got to play differently? How did that happen that fast? I think it's fair to wonder,

Speaker 11 can football grind up Patrick Mahomes like it does other human beings?

Speaker 6 I think everybody agrees, though, he has the mental fortitude and the arm talent to change his game up.

Speaker 6 But in invoking Lamar Jackson, we were like, he relies on his athleticism so heavily that if he loses just a quarter of a step, that is going to make him a lesser quarterback.

Speaker 6 And I think it's a big unknown as to how much this is going to affect Patrick Mahomes going forward, given that he was rushing this year more than ever.

Speaker 11 The thing that is amazing to me about how that sport

Speaker 11 turns up the people who play it most athletically, as you watch Aaron Rodgers sort of stumble around, you see all the age on him.

Speaker 11 There haven't been a lot of quarterbacks in the history of the league that are real good running for seven yards on third and six every time.

Speaker 11 Like he's playing right in the middle between the most athletic of the scramblers and the most the most precise of the dropback guys. And I would assume there's a physical cost to that.

Speaker 6 It was almost as if Nick, even though he conceded that he knew the Chiefs weren't good enough, which is, I believe, the first time he admitted that, the first time he admitted it was after they were eliminated from playoff contention.

Speaker 6 It feels like history is already going to forget that they weren't good enough to make the playoffs on their own.

Speaker 6 It's already become kind of like how the Raptors, I feel we're going to beat the Warriors either way. Warriors fans can always hold on to the injuries that happened there.

Speaker 6 This little blip in Nick's mind, and it's going to be a blip, was, ah, Mahomes got hurt that season. Let's take away from Josh Allen.
That ain't right either. He was healthy.

Speaker 6 He had to make that field goal to continue making the playoffs. And even then, they weren't going to make it.

Speaker 6 And it's often, it's awfully super lucky for Nick and Convenient to turn it around and say, ah, Mahomes got injured. That's why Josh Allen got that ring.
It's a half a ring.

Speaker 11 Get out of here.

Speaker 13 So 10 years from now, do you think Nick's argument is going to be, well, that was the year Mahomes got hurt? Yeah. And he'll completely forget that they were terrible.

Speaker 6 He will totally forget. I think he already has.
I think the nation already is subscribed to this narrative that, well, Mahomes got injured that year. Dog, they stunk.
That's a good show.

Speaker 2 He got injured after.

Speaker 11 It's a good show, Yo.

Speaker 11 You yelling, get out of here, and him yelling, you jump in the ocean. Like, that's where all of this has to descend to.

Speaker 11 Can we get the useless sound montage ready as a palate cleanser here? I need to laugh at Mike Tomlin and Sean McVay.

Speaker 14 Mission accomplished.

Speaker 23 Simple as going back to work, and we got to get better.

Speaker 25 We always talk about let's not react, let's respond.

Speaker 26 Out there for the anthem, and as the game just got going, I was just thankful, grateful that I was out there.

Speaker 22 There were just some things offensively that we were doing. They were messing ourselves up, basically every aspect.

Speaker 27 Their team was better than our team.

Speaker 24 There's a number of issues that we have to end up looking at and some of that you don't have to look at the film.

Speaker 21 We have to make sure that we move on quickly. We look at the film.
We make sure we tidy up the things that we need to.

Speaker 16 You know, I want to look at the film first, Calvin.

Speaker 23 Staff and I, we're going to come in, we're going to watch this thing together tomorrow, all of us, in all three phases.

Speaker 27 In all three phases, there's different areas that continuously need to improve upon.

Speaker 24 It's inexcusable. You don't make excuses.
We had a young player that actually was blocking out of balance. That's what they were saying, allegedly.

Speaker 28 Just being able to earn the right to be able to get the pen back in your hand a little bit defensively.

Speaker 26 My wife always tells me I'm crazy because there's been times in the last three or four years I said, I wish I could just throw one and get hit.

Speaker 16 Certainly we wanted to engineer victory, but we wanted to do it in a certain way.

Speaker 17 The major focus to me was getting the ball in the end zone.

Speaker 22 We got to play better ball if we want to win games against good teams.

Speaker 24 When you give up that many points,

Speaker 22 that's tough.

Speaker 24 How well do you know your job? How well can you do your job?

Speaker 25 Guys, just playing one snap at a time, Kurt. I think that was the key and critical factor.

Speaker 16 Man, we love Monday night football. Strong lower body guy.

Speaker 26 That's real. I know that on the end of the book, it says we turn the ball over, but we didn't turn the ball over.

Speaker 9 I don't think the weather was a factor.

Speaker 27 I think their team outperformed us.

Speaker 21 What's resulted in not having penalties has been the discipline of how we've been playing.

Speaker 24 You had a game like that.

Speaker 23 New we're going to need some points.

Speaker 28 You don't look at the scoreboard. You just continue to try to stack good plays, stay totally and completely present.

Speaker 23 They executed tonight and we didn't.

Speaker 16 We didn't expect it to be easy, but certainly after we got it going, we had a little bit of fluidity there.

Speaker 22 Really, at the end of the day, it's about pride that you have for yourself, your last name on your back You know who you are as a husband who you are as a father as a son as a teammate Isaiah has a knee.

Speaker 21 You know, we talk about our play style, you know talk about play smart and finish that did not show up for us today You do feel like we are improving in some ways It should burn at you, you know, it should eat you up.

Speaker 29 You gotta care enough where this hurts. You gotta f ⁇ ing care enough where this hurts.

Speaker 24 It gotta f ⁇ means something to you. It's more than a job.

Speaker 26 It's your f ⁇ ing livelihood. The fact that it's been 1,800 days since I'm throwing a touchdown, you know, or an interception for that matter.
So we got both of those in check.

Speaker 25 Staying in the moment, they kept making him snap it one more time on the defensive side of the ball.

Speaker 27 Supremely disappointed in the outcome.

Speaker 30 And, you know, I think it does a disservice to the objective, the work that we're doing on this opponent.

Speaker 29 I think the score was 13 and 13, 13 and 10. So we still had a fighting chance.

Speaker 9 Are we out of the playoffs?

Speaker 29 We are.

Speaker 29 Okay.

Speaker 16 It's that time of year. It doesn't need to be said.

Speaker 25 I mean, how do I answer that one, right, without you really putting me in a...

Speaker 28 You know, obviously the family stuff is...

Speaker 25 What the hell kind of question is that right there?

Speaker 16 We believe in the strength of the pack, and a lot of guys stepped up, certainly, and made that a truism.

Speaker 25 My wife is a total stud. You know, my respect just watching and getting an up, close, and personal look at this.

Speaker 28 I could never do this stuff.

Speaker 16 You know, see you next week.

Speaker 6 Keep watching.

Speaker 11 Put it on the poll. Is your wife a total stud at Lebetard show? Trista, are you cold? This seems to be an affliction in our studio.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's freezing.

Speaker 11 Okay, so you're struggling with it.

Speaker 19 Was Sean McVay saying he got an up-close and personal look at the crowning of his child coming out of a vaginal canal? Is that what he was saying?

Speaker 11 I'm pretty sure that, yeah, she's a total stud.

Speaker 6 Graphic.

Speaker 13 They gave the child a crown?

Speaker 6 Did you guys do that? You got a peek. No, I didn't.

Speaker 15 I went into the game there knowing I don't need to see what's happening. I peeked.

Speaker 6 That was the advice that I got. Don't look.
And I didn't.

Speaker 16 Don't look.

Speaker 13 I'm going to tell y'all right now. As crazy as it sounds, have you ever seen a a C-section?

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's actually what I looked at. That one is crazy.

Speaker 15 That's that I saw.

Speaker 6 That one is crazy.

Speaker 6 I was trying not to look there. A lot of red.
I saw the organs.

Speaker 13 Dan, listen to me.

Speaker 6 Listen to me.

Speaker 6 No, no, no. Dan, you gotta look at it.

Speaker 15 Do you know about that C-section?

Speaker 6 Dan, Dan, for years, Dan, for years,

Speaker 13 I'd watch movies, and they're like, oh, you know, the Predator, like, disembowels the guy in the guts and all that stuff.

Speaker 13 I'm like, that looked fake as hell.

Speaker 6 It's pretty surreal, too. Boy, this shit was on point.

Speaker 13 I owe a massive apology to Hollywood.

Speaker 14 You guys know exactly what the insides of a person look like.

Speaker 10 I seen it.

Speaker 6 It's wild having a conversation, trying to motivate somebody while they're like in your peripheral vision, a spleen is just being lifted out of a body. They put it on a tray.
It's just on a tray.

Speaker 14 Yeah, here we go. Just put it on this TV tray over here.

Speaker 6 Miracle of birth, huh? Holy hell.

Speaker 11 28 points for OG on Anobi last night.

Speaker 19 Why would you need to motivate someone who's having the baby cut out of them?

Speaker 6 It's just something you say.

Speaker 19 they don't have to do any work.

Speaker 6 I don't have to do any work at all. Keep it up.
You're doing

Speaker 6 my spleen removed.

Speaker 2 I'm so proud of you. Yeah, you're doing great.

Speaker 6 Love you so much. You're so strong.
Yeah.

Speaker 13 It's optics.

Speaker 6 Oh, I see.

Speaker 13 Because if you don't do that, like this bastard, his poor wife was there getting shredded to pieces, and he just stood there checking fantasy football scores on his phone.

Speaker 4 20 more minutes and you can eat sushi again.

Speaker 2 Ice chips.

Speaker 19 Ice chips.

Speaker 11 Wife is a total stud.

Speaker 11 I want to get to McDaniel talking about benching Tua, but before I do that, because this got away from me earlier in the show.

Speaker 11 So the Miami Heat are getting bleeped here in a way that's super strange and needs to be covered a little bit better because the NBA is unprepared

Speaker 11 for a gambling scandal that looks like this. Because how would they know what this whole Terry Rozier thing was, given that

Speaker 11 they helped normalize all of this when they decided to

Speaker 11 get in bed with gambling partners like our beloved partner, DraftKings, because there are dangers around some of this that we've seen, and they're not totally prepared to handle all of the dangers that come as they try to figure out what the rules are.

Speaker 11 So it really seems like Adam Silver doesn't know what he's doing about the blatant unfairness that the Miami Heat traded for a player who had a gambling issue and now can't get rid of that contract and can't trade it.

Speaker 11 So let's listen to Adam Silver. This is the first time I've heard him address this and it seems fairly obvious.

Speaker 11 I'd like to know what I'm missing here that the Miami Heat are just getting bleeped by the NBA doesn't know how to handle any of this because it's all new and so he's out here pretending like he doesn't know anything and can't do anything as the commissioner of the league.

Speaker 31 It's essentially out of our hands. As you know, these are federal indictments in the case of Terry Rozier in the, you know, in Brooklyn, New York, the Eastern District of New York.

Speaker 31 We had investigated him at some point earlier. We had not found sufficient evidence to discipline him under the rules of the league.

Speaker 31 And then at some point, that investigation was taken over, you know, by federal authorities. So, as I said, it's in their hands.

Speaker 11 It's out of their hands.

Speaker 15 Like, does he think that people want him, the NBA, to put Terry Rush here in prison?

Speaker 10 What's out of their hands?

Speaker 13 So, the question was a long question by Tim Reynolds.

Speaker 15 Good job by Tim Reynolds for bringing it up because I don't know who anyone else is doing.

Speaker 14 It was the first question of the press conference.

Speaker 13 It was the first question. And it was a long.
Yeah, I don't know why.

Speaker 11 Well, no, Mike Ryan made Tim Reynolds excommunicado. No,

Speaker 6 he did a good job. You got to ask him.

Speaker 11 I think Mike Ryan gave you a blistering stare because you saluted Tim Reynolds.

Speaker 6 I got to be fair. I don't shush my boy in the Panthers press box.
That's not something you do. Well, Manzo! You don't shush him.

Speaker 11 Mike Ryan bullied Tim Reynolds, and it was unfair what you did to him, and it was excommunicado. And what else? What was the other friend? No longer friends.

Speaker 13 no longer friends with me not friends you guys just reminded me now

Speaker 13 there was a moment when i walked into the media workroom and i was gonna ask vinnie goodwill something

Speaker 13 and i came in a little a little jocular but not not overly loud and not long and pronounced it was just like hey you know some funny thing and tim was like typing and he turned around and he did give a look yeah he's a professional

Speaker 14 That has nothing to do with professionalism.

Speaker 6 You're not professional.

Speaker 13 No, a professional, you know what a professional does? You keep it trucking despite all the distractions.

Speaker 14 You don't do the...

Speaker 6 Stop making noises. I'm paying attention.
We're writing over here.

Speaker 13 Put on headphones.

Speaker 3 Getting in the weeds. Welcome to 2025, huh?

Speaker 4 A lot of ways to make content.

Speaker 6 It's not my only problem with Tim.

Speaker 13 But to answer Zazzo's question, Tim's question was long.

Speaker 13 And the first part of his question was, can you shed any light on the status of the investigation into the arrests of Chauncey and Terry Rozier? That's the part that we just played there.

Speaker 13 That's the part Adam Silver was responding to. Tim's other part of his question was, is the part within that

Speaker 13 Rozier remains on the books in Miami? Right. He's 17% of the cap.
Draft pick going there. Has Elite considered any relief to the Heat about what they can do in that situation?

Speaker 13 That answer that he's giving is not to that part of the question.

Speaker 15 Okay, so then so then, yeah, so then the commissioner does

Speaker 15 answer the part about the Miami Heat and like if there's anything that they could do in regards to that situation I believe we also have that no he does not have it yet.

Speaker 11 We'll come back with it in a second. But before we go any further on this, what is the framing that anyone outside this could say, this is not Miami homerific protectionism.

Speaker 11 It seems like the Miami Heat are getting bleeped here by something that the NBA doesn't know how to handle.

Speaker 13 Right. The thing they're getting bleeped on, right, is

Speaker 13 if it was known this guy is under investigation, even if Adam Silver is saying, hey, we only have limited tools in terms of investigating this kind of allegation.

Speaker 13 We exhausted those tools, and so we couldn't have an adjudication there.

Speaker 13 But if they knew that there was something greater at play than them, meaning the federal investigation into him, and they allowed that deal to happen,

Speaker 6 then

Speaker 13 to me, I feel like there has to be a recouping of that conversation. Having said that,

Speaker 13 This is kind of like Mike's thing with Mahomes Dorris ACL, so that's why the Chiefs missed the playoffs.

Speaker 6 Well, no, they were awful anyway.

Speaker 13 He did the deal with Terry Rozier. It was a bad deal.

Speaker 6 Him,

Speaker 13 like getting indicted or not, does not impact the value they got out of the deal.

Speaker 15 Okay, so here is the commissioner now addressing the Miami Heat part of this whole situation.

Speaker 29 In terms of Miami, you know, this is an unprecedented situation, and I think I'm incredibly sympathetic to the heat and to their fans.

Speaker 29 But I think, you know, we're going to try to work something through, work this out with them. But there's no obvious solution here.
I would just say that, you know,

Speaker 29 there's no doubt at the moment they have a player that can perform services for them.

Speaker 29 And, you know, and as to the draft pick they conveyed,

Speaker 29 you know, obviously he hasn't been convicted of anything yet either.

Speaker 29 But this is an unfortunate circumstance. But, you know, sometimes there's these unique events and maybe sometimes they require unique solutions.

Speaker 29 So we'll be looking at this with the heat and the other teams in the league and see if there's any satisfactory relief. But at the moment, there is none.

Speaker 6 He makes the rules, right?

Speaker 13 Yeah, but what's the rule you want him to make here?

Speaker 6 The one for my team.

Speaker 6 I mean, like an unprecedented situation, so because it's never happened before, he just doesn't know what to do.

Speaker 15 He doesn't have a clue.

Speaker 6 He's such a nothing.

Speaker 11 It was once unprecedented to take someone's team from them.

Speaker 15 He's a nothing.

Speaker 11 He can make the rules.

Speaker 6 They're his rule. What is the rule?

Speaker 14 What is the rule that you guys are looking for here?

Speaker 11 He's sitting here arriving in a situation that he's saying this has no precedent and he's correct.

Speaker 11 And because they've gotten it wrong on how they handled it the first time, he could say, yeah, they should have their draft kick, draft pick back.

Speaker 6 It's okay.

Speaker 14 Go back.

Speaker 13 Okay, so then what happens if it comes back Terry Rozier innocent, not guilty?

Speaker 6 Then what?

Speaker 13 Oh, wait, wait, wait, that pick that you got back? Give it right back?

Speaker 12 Wait a second. What are we doing?

Speaker 6 You look at the precedent can be we look at these things case by case. Sure.
That can be the precedent. Sure.

Speaker 13 I don't think he made a ruling in that statement. I think he's saying, like, I don't, we've got to see how this plays out.

Speaker 15 The Miami Heat claim that if they knew about the investigation, they would not have made this trade. So it doesn't matter if Rogier is innocent or guilty.

Speaker 10 Give them the pickback.

Speaker 11 It's not due process here, I mean, that's not due process. That's criminal.
That's court. That's not due process.
It's I'm the commissioner. I decide.
I've made this decision.

Speaker 11 If I got it wrong, I'll fix it the next time. Let's be honest and transparent.
Or, holy shit, I didn't realize that this could ever happen to me and I don't know what to do.