Hour 1: So...Do You Hedge?

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Speaker 1 This is the Dan Labatar Show with the Stukats Podcast.

Speaker 1 I don't know what Amin Amin is doing. He's smiling.

Speaker 1 There have been three times during the show today that I'm pretty sure Amin is laughing at things that don't have much of anything to do with what we're doing on the show.

Speaker 1 I think just now, I don't know what to do with this, Jessica, because we've been doing two hours of show unevenly.

Speaker 1 And Amin said right before we turned on the microphones, as I was headed toward other subject matter, ah, we buried the lead on the Jimmy Butler thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, I know, but Jessica, what am I supposed to do with this? Like, what am I supposed to do?

Speaker 5 I mean, you already lost your bet, so stakes on you. Second of all, very dangerous game when you call someone out for laughing off air, and then they have to think of something to say.

Speaker 5 Yeah, like, just happened to the last time.

Speaker 5 I didn't want to say what I was thinking. I made something up.
I don't even know what I said.

Speaker 5 I just hit it to a mean. A mean.

Speaker 5 Tell us why you're laughing at me.

Speaker 5 Because I sent him a funny sesame street.

Speaker 1 Jessica. That's why.

Speaker 1 Sunny days.

Speaker 1 Sesame sweet.

Speaker 1 It was a funny one, right? I mean, it was hilarious.

Speaker 5 jessica so grover had this like hilarious fake moustache and a hat on and i said that's you i wanted jessica

Speaker 5 you're right that's akbar

Speaker 1 so badly in the last hour to have the words that you were saying to billy behind a hand while laughing because you didn't want the cameras to catch whatever it is that you were saying billy i've wanted those words for about 35 minutes

Speaker 1 i don't know. What did you say to me? But it was like a mound visit.

Speaker 1 It was like LeBron and Wade. She was hiding.
I was in the middle of talking, and she was laughing and hiding her hand from me in the audience. Try not to be distracting.

Speaker 1 I've wanted those words for 35 minutes. It is allergy season.
Maybe she had to sneeze. No, it was pretty clear.
She was just laughing with you on a wild Willie Wednesday. Me.
That's right.

Speaker 1 There are two serious things that I actually wanted to get to with Amin that we have not gotten to.

Speaker 1 The Kane Velasquez story is something that I wanted to get to.

Speaker 1 And before we got to that, I wanted to talk for a second because I did think that something interesting actually ended up springing from all of that Jackie Robinson Defense Department stupidity from last week.

Speaker 1 Whether it comes to the. Do any of you find yourself alarmed that when it comes to artificial intelligence,

Speaker 1 the stories you get are about the Enola Gay being removed from the record books temporarily because a World War II bomber from Hiroshima had the word gay in it, and Jackie Robbins' history has obviously black in it.

Speaker 1 Are you at all

Speaker 1 confused and scared that artificial intelligence is literally

Speaker 1 trying to erase humanity with these stories

Speaker 1 that are coming out about stupidities because you've got artificial intelligence handling how it is that things are seen as equal.

Speaker 5 It's not artificial intelligence doing it. Like, they're using, people are using an AI tool to scrape things from websites, but it's people that are behind it.

Speaker 5 And also, what I'm scared about is that's the second worst thing that's happened around the DOD in this past week. Like, there is

Speaker 1 another ginormous scandal unfolding.

Speaker 7 And that one ain't AI.

Speaker 1 That's correct. That's quote-unquote.
Human error. Human error.

Speaker 1 Inordinate stupidities where

Speaker 1 war plans are being sent accidentally to the wrong journalist.

Speaker 7 Not just to the wrong person, to a journalist, right? Like, of all the people, like, not my nanny, not like...

Speaker 1 Was it Adam?

Speaker 7 They said, yeah, Adam Schefter, right?

Speaker 1 Not wrong Adam. Adam Lichtenstein.

Speaker 1 Adam from the Sun Sentinel.

Speaker 1 A star of Oddball. Oh, there you go.

Speaker 5 How would Amy know who that is?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Awkbar met him. I wanted to bring David Sampson back because I wanted to do a Patrick.
I didn't even get to the real parts of these two stories. We'll get back to to it.
We'll get back to it.

Speaker 1 We'll get back to it. No, because it's the one of the things that sprung from the Jackie Robinson, just sheer stupidity.
You can't even do funny with it.

Speaker 1 It's just so dumb is that RG3 is going on Stephen A. Smith's show.
This is after RG3, you know, he was trying to make the rounds recently. He reached out to Jamel, reached out to our show.

Speaker 1 There was something that he wanted to correct because when it came to Jackie Robinson, he had tweeted out, I just miss when sports shows were about sports. And he went on Stephen A.

Speaker 1 Smith's show and he explained something that I had not considered when I saw that as people turned RG3 into whatever it is that they are willing to say when they say he's not black enough.

Speaker 1 RG3 came out and was hurt and was viewing it through the narcissistic eyes of, I want sports shows to be sports shows because when they used to talk about me on First Take, Rob Parker was calling me a cornball brother.

Speaker 1 And it was a black guy saying another black guy wasn't quite black enough for his taste. And I've been that since.
I had never heard it before.

Speaker 1 And I've been that since for people because I've married a white woman and because of whatever you think of my politics that makes Stephen A.

Speaker 1 comfortable enough to say on his show, hey, nobody at ESPN liked you, RG3. I liked you, saying Stephen A.
Smith, but no one there liked you because you were somebody who didn't fit.

Speaker 1 And so RG3 brought the perspective of I wanted to be talking about sports, not whether I'm black enough.

Speaker 1 This is something that I run into a lot with certain black athlete friends of mine where they're too white for black people and too black for white people.

Speaker 1 And so they find this space where all of a sudden that's what they're talking about on first take. And RG3 has to represent a certain kind of black.

Speaker 7 Yeah, for what it's worth, RG3's defense,

Speaker 7 as I heard it, not on the show, but behind the scenes, as someone who got reached out to, is that his comment had nothing to do with Mina.

Speaker 7 He didn't even know if Mina had said that or gone on the show. Okay.
But because he didn't, I'm just telling you, I'm not, don't shoot.

Speaker 1 Don't shoot the message. You guys are just trying to tell a story.

Speaker 1 I'm not doing that to you. I'm divisively doing that to RG3.

Speaker 7 But basically, he's saying that, like, it was said

Speaker 7 not according to what Mina was talking about. It just happened simultaneously.

Speaker 7 Like, he had the worst timing ever, to which I responded to an intermediary, that why didn't you immediately just say, hey, by the way, I'm not, I see a lot of people saying, connecting me to this.

Speaker 7 I'm not. And then I got sent what his correction was, and it was as convoluted as anything I've ever seen.

Speaker 7 But I kind of saw the seeds of him trying to say, oh, it wasn't about me to, but he said it in such a convoluted way that it didn't really land.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's just unsurprising, right? Like, that's RG3 is one of several people in the sort of sports media landscape who will just say anything for clicks, right? I mean, that's what that was.

Speaker 1 That's putting something out there at a time when the topic was the topic du jour.

Speaker 1 And he knew that that would be divisive. And not only knew it would be divisive, he knew the specific audience that he was attracting with it.

Speaker 7 I would say, Jeremy, the only thing I would say is I'm willing to accept that he didn't know that she said that and had no idea. But once he saw the fervor and fur,

Speaker 7 instead of like.

Speaker 1 Let it sit there on purpose.

Speaker 7 Let it, yeah. That's fair.
Absolutely, because it's pretty easy to me. If I was talking about something and someone's, oh, you said that about Dan Levittard?

Speaker 7 I'm like, oh, no, I didn't even hear what Dan said. I would go immediately and correct it.

Speaker 1 It was 24 hours he let that sit there.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so, you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 1 David Sampson, I never got to the Patrick Ewing

Speaker 1 off with you and Amin, and I meant to. Are you ready to do that now? I'm going to, you say it's your wheelhouse.
Amin says he's got a better wheelhouse than your wheelhouse.

Speaker 1 Can you please tell me what a wheelhouse is? I don't even know what an actual wheelhouse is. House of wheels.
Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Do you know what a wheelhouse is?

Speaker 1 It has to do with boating, I would assume. Wheel?

Speaker 7 What do you mean? Buses?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Do any of you know what a wheelhouse is?

Speaker 1 According to artificial intelligence on Google, it says that in your wheelhouse originates from the nautical term for small enclosed area on a ship where the captain steers. So score one for Billy.

Speaker 1 A seaman.

Speaker 1 Dan.

Speaker 1 Davis. It's a raise for him, by the way, Dan.

Speaker 1 Only if it makes it.

Speaker 7 Only if it makes it all the way.

Speaker 7 Get to the end zone, then yes.

Speaker 1 I think two for two. It's a great.

Speaker 1 We need the third one, though.

Speaker 7 That's where the money comes from. Red zone conversion.

Speaker 1 Billie, the way that you describe being married, where you have to go to a NASCAR race in order to get a peace of quiet. That was a private conversation.

Speaker 1 I just said I got some peace and quiet over the weekend. You said where? I said at Homestead Miami Speedway during the NASCAR race.

Speaker 1 The loudest place to have some quiet time.

Speaker 7 You're going to learn not to tell Dan things.

Speaker 1 Just, you know, the moment that I was sitting there in the grandstand, and I thought, man, I could just think here if it wasn't so damn loud, but this is also the quietest it's been in a long time.

Speaker 1 Anyways, David, if I were to tell you, guess which sports a young Patrick Ewing excelled at as a child, which sports would you say?

Speaker 4 I have no idea. I would say that it seems hard to imagine that he was late to basketball, but I guess it's possible.

Speaker 4 So I would assume it's not tennis.

Speaker 7 Can I steal? Yeah. Okay, so he was late to basketball because he emigrated here from Jamaica.
So he played soccer and volleyball.

Speaker 1 You got one of the two. He played soccer and cricket.

Speaker 7 Cricket. Cricket.

Speaker 4 Huge in Jamaica. That's a wheelhouse amend right there, knowing what he did in Jamaica.

Speaker 7 Okay, guess what, man? When you like the sport, you know everything. You don't just, oh, I know for the seven years.

Speaker 1 You know half the things because you got volleyball wrong. So you know.
I mean, your question,

Speaker 1 did Patrick Ewing win Rookie of the Year?

Speaker 7 He sure did.

Speaker 1 David, please spell Patrick Ewing's middle name.

Speaker 4 A.

Speaker 4 Is it A-L-A-N?

Speaker 1 It does start A-L. That's close.

Speaker 1 What is it? Alistair.

Speaker 1 It's A-L-O-Y-S-I-L-U-S.

Speaker 7 Aloysius. Aloysius.

Speaker 1 So far, our wheelhouse guys have gotten just about everything wrong. Like when Amim tries to steal it, he steals it incorrectly.
Well, close enough.

Speaker 1 closer than david david thinks his name's alan but other than that we're close

Speaker 4 i was just looking over at the signed pair of game use sneakers i have and

Speaker 1 he doesn't spell out his full name all right here's a question he does sign it with c33 okay here's a question what size sneaker does david sampson own autographed by patrick ewing

Speaker 4 Amin, do you know his foot size? So there's a funny thing about this story.

Speaker 4 Patrick Ewing does not have large feet at all. And I would assume, as I'm looking, it's probably only a 12 to a 13.

Speaker 7 And that's it. Patrick Ewing wears 13s.

Speaker 7 Yes?

Speaker 1 It's up to you to compare. David has the shoes.
You can see. I don't know the size.
It says 15 here, but that doesn't sound right compared to what you guys are saying.

Speaker 7 Yeah, small feet.

Speaker 1 You guys are getting everything wrong.

Speaker 7 Well, because I'm not a... Look, it's not a.

Speaker 1 You said, you guys said, you you guys said,

Speaker 1 David, how do you not know the size of the shoes that you've purchased that are in your house? How could you get that wrong?

Speaker 4 I, I, I literally could care less how big his foot is.

Speaker 4 I have the shoes because of the meaning of those shoes in my life, not the fact that they're a 12 or a 15 or a 20.

Speaker 4 I have Shaq shoes because I can live in them, and those are like a 24, Amin, and those are just shocking. They're so heavy to even lift.
Patrick's shoes are just normal.

Speaker 1 I worked with a guy i know okay so next question amin what do those shoes mean to david sampson the world

Speaker 1 look at me liro

Speaker 7 uh oh is that for david that was

Speaker 1 you worked with him is what you said of shaq you're in the tank for shaq i'm not in the tank i work with the guy that's his guy though he'd show up to the funeral Do we believe that Shaq forgot that he bought a car and it just showed up at his house?

Speaker 7 And the cameras. There were cameras.

Speaker 1 Exactly right. Like that was, i that was a lot why does he do these things you know shaq why does shaq do these things because he thinks it's funny

Speaker 7 because he thinks it's funny like i it's i'll be honest with you like and by the way 90 of the stuff doesn't make it out for a variety of reasons not the least of which is you can't do that one big fella i'm gonna tell you right now you can't do that

Speaker 7 i'll tell a story Remember when he called Chris Bosch the RuPaul of big men? You guys remember that one? Yeah.

Speaker 7 So what happened was Shaq caught the ball and made a legal basketball move, and Chris Bosch

Speaker 7 over-exaggerated the reaction. Refs, toss them.
Flagrant two, you're out, right? And this is before they could review these things. So Shaq comes to the back and sits

Speaker 7 with us in the video room, and he's literally workshopping all the things he's going to say about...

Speaker 7 Chris Bosch at the end. And we're like, Big fellow, you can't say that one.
No, you can't. You cannot say that.

Speaker 7 So then we said, said, what if I say he's the RuPaul of Big Men? And we all looked around the room and we're like, I think that's just on this side of acceptable.

Speaker 1 This is why DEI should rest in all our

Speaker 1 toe.

Speaker 1 Amin was there. What do you mean? DEI.
Amin was there. I can think of some other voices that might not have loved RuPaul of Big Men.

Speaker 1 It doesn't really mean anything.

Speaker 1 Does it not?

Speaker 7 And yet it means everything, right? It does. That's why it toes the line.

Speaker 1 I would side with Jeremy on this one. Kevin Durant toe on the line.
Not surprised, though. We're too woke.

Speaker 1 In 1984 at the Olympics, when Patrick Ewing was one of the players for Team USA to win the gold medal, what jersey number did he wear?

Speaker 7 I'll give it to you, David. I think I know which one, but go ahead.

Speaker 4 My best guess would be six.

Speaker 7 Me too. Six.

Speaker 1 It was number six. The wheelhouse, ladies and gentlemen.
There it is.

Speaker 1 That includes the wheelhouse. Thank you, David.
Thank you, David.

Speaker 7 David, one last thing for the wheelhouse. Patrick Ewing went to as many NBA finals as Jimmy Butler.
You still throw that out there.

Speaker 4 Oh, wait, Tommy. They made the same number of rings.

Speaker 1 That's not correct. What do you mean? Is that correct? Yes.

Speaker 7 They went to the same number of finals. You know what?

Speaker 1 It's his wheelhouse down here. And you know what?

Speaker 1 Hold on. Let me give you another one.

Speaker 7 Jimmy Butler played more NBA Finals games than Patrick Ewing did. You know why? Because Patrick Ewing didn't play in them second finals.

Speaker 7 He was sitting nursing a wrist, injury, by who was the guy that hurt him and what city?

Speaker 4 It was 1999, and I don't remember. I mean, I just know that it was a nightmare that he couldn't play.
That was when I believe we beat the Heat as an eight seed that year.

Speaker 4 That was the Allen Houston shot in Miami. Game five.
But 1994 was when Jordan was retired, and we got seven. He got seven finals games.
So he's played a total of seven finals games.

Speaker 4 two finals, no rings.

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 7 The other finals he didn't play, Dan, was because he was hurt. They lost to the Spurs in five games, but Jimmy Butler played in his five games.

Speaker 7 I also want to throw out real quick, David, yeah, they beat the Heat in the first round, 3-2.

Speaker 7 Who did they play in the second round that year?

Speaker 4 They played the Pacers in the third round. The second round would have been, could have been the Hawks.

Speaker 7 Yes, and what was the series?

Speaker 4 We would have gotten that. It didn't go seven, so I'm going to say six.

Speaker 7 Sorry, it was a sweep. Go ahead.
Go back to your little wheelhouse.

Speaker 1 Okay, no, you guys stink at wheelhouse. I don't know.
That was pretty good on the top.

Speaker 1 But he's just

Speaker 1 supposed to be an expert. No, but he's picking the facts that he knows, and we asked them questions, and they got them all wrong.
Thank you, David, for being on with us and

Speaker 1 showing off of your expertise.

Speaker 1 Before the end of the show, I want this bet with Jessica, but in the meantime, we've got a start of the day involving Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 1 Stat of the day is presented by Miller Light.

Speaker 1 In his triumphant return to Miami, Jimmy Butler was outscored by both Davion Mitchell and Alec Burks as the Warriors scored the second fewest points that they've scored in a game this season.

Speaker 7 The laziest stat of the day ever.

Speaker 7 The laziest stat of the day ever.

Speaker 1 What would you have preferred?

Speaker 7 I mean, a stat of the day that was actually insightful.

Speaker 1 You've cheapened the stat of the day. The stat of the day is to be respected, and it's almost always great.
That was not great. That just stunk as a stat of the day.

Speaker 1 The stat of the day is meant to resonate historically. Like it's meant to be something you remember and maybe tell your friends later.

Speaker 7 Something that people who don't know the show might hear and repeat. Like, wow, Shoe Eotani did all of that on half a tank of gas or whatever.
Like, that's what it should be.

Speaker 7 Now, Dan, I want to present a theory, if I may. I think that Jeremy was a plant.
I think Jessica was like, hey, let me get multiple stakes on this. Jeremy, get Dan to say Jimmy Butler one more time.

Speaker 7 And Jeremy said, I got it right now. I'll pretend I have a stat of the day.
And then Dan, he can't, he knows Dan can't resist the stat of the day.

Speaker 7 It's like, it's like putting steak in front of him, right? Like, oh my God, a stat of the day.

Speaker 5 It's like tuna steak.

Speaker 7 A tuna steak, a tuna steak in front of him. And so they say, okay, Dan, we got it stat of the day.
And of course, Dan takes the bait because how could he not take the bait?

Speaker 1 Look, we have not made the bet yet, and therefore I can say Jimmy Butler's name and talk about him as much as I like because the bet will be made toward the end of the show if we remember.

Speaker 1 We often don't remember. Do we negotiate round?

Speaker 5 Also, it was always multiple stakes.

Speaker 5 Stakes, that's like we're starting at the starting point, is at least two stakes.

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Speaker 1 I don't think that I think the bet has to have greater stakes than that. I think it needs to be, if we're going to build it up all show, we've got to

Speaker 1 have some consequences.

Speaker 7 I mean, stakes are pretty good.

Speaker 5 I also agree when the stat of the day is like, hey, 20 points is more than 18 points, it's not that stings.

Speaker 1 Kyle Anderson was plus 24. It stings.
And thank you for all of your hard work. And when I say that, it wasn't hard work at all.
It was incredibly lazy.

Speaker 1 So I wanted to talk about something here, March Madness-related.

Speaker 1 Can we get a poll together on the following? Because somebody made a $5 bet, $5, on the following parlay. Dodgers to win the World Series.

Speaker 1 This is from last year. Dodgers to win the World Series.

Speaker 1 Ohio State to win the national championship in football.

Speaker 1 The Eagles to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Tennessee to win in college baseball, to win the college World Series.

Speaker 1 Still in the way.

Speaker 1 And now they have Duke to win the national championship.

Speaker 1 What do you think that that should pay? A $5

Speaker 1 bet that has those five in play, what do you think that that should pay roughly? Five figures at least. Five? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm going. High five figures.

Speaker 7 I'm going seven $37,000.

Speaker 1 No, that's close to like $50,000, $60,000, $70,000.

Speaker 7 $70,000? $73,000.

Speaker 1 So it's $168,000 on a $5 bet. And what I wanted to ask you guys is, what is the correct way to hedge that? Like, what is what? Because I'm not a professional.

Speaker 7 I'm a terrible gambler. Amateur.

Speaker 1 Like a really terrible gambler. I'm not good at it in any way.
DraftKings should be ashamed for giving me any of their money, but I give it all right back. Don't say that.
It's a contract over there.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, like, I could be the worst gambler there's ever been because I just like, I just want to have one bet on one game, but a lot of games.

Speaker 7 He is the perfect person for DraftKings to pay because, as he just said, he's going to take all of that money

Speaker 1 right back into the back.

Speaker 1 They might as well be laundering their money right back to that. Well, no.
No.

Speaker 1 Where's that music?

Speaker 1 So my guess is he'll win $7 million.

Speaker 1 We already gave it. You aren't listening.
We already gave the answer, but that's excellent producing. You got to let it ride, Dan, because Duke is the favorite right now.

Speaker 1 Tennessee in baseball that's you gotta let it ride you guys wouldn't hedge that you guys so wait a minute tony i know that's not true tony you're you're no tony you just had a baby if you made a five dollar bet

Speaker 1 and you need now duke to win the national championship for 168 000 you have to hedge that if and i'm asking you how do you hedge it do you bet do you bet 10 20 000 on uh on their next four opponents as you go to make sure that you guarantee yourself X.

Speaker 1 What's the lowest amount of money? Now, I know some people would just sell this ticket. This ticket might go.
Somebody might buy this ticket for $70,000. Like this is something

Speaker 1 that is done and that's how you get out. But how do you hedge this bet? I'm sure a professional gambler would easily answer this question, but I don't know how to do it.
So I was confused.

Speaker 1 I thought it was Tennessee baseball from this season, but it's from last season, so they already won it. They won it in May of 2024.

Speaker 1 So it was last season.

Speaker 7 Do we know when this parlay bet was placed? Because if it was after May of 2024, then we're talking about this upcoming College World Series. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 It was last College World Series. No, when all the four

Speaker 1 bets have won, they've already cashed everything else.

Speaker 7 Duke is the only thing remaining.

Speaker 1 So how do you forgive me for not explaining that correctly? It's been an affliction today. So should the poll be should this person hedge or should they write it out?

Speaker 1 I'm asking, first of all, I'm asking you guys. We'll get to the poll in a second.
Thank you, Billy. Perhaps you can help me with that and create the poll yourself.

Speaker 5 I'll go first, Dan.

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Good. I have no idea.

Speaker 1 that's this is this i i don't know look i'm not gonna say it's in the same zip code as uh as that stat of the day but it's close it's close yeah i can see neighboring move off of looking for me to answer because i don't know all right dan so here's here's the thing so the cash out i just looked it up the cash out for the guy is 50 grand so if i tell my wife look baby listen we got 50 grand cash for sure obviously uncle sam's gonna take his piece you know things are gonna happen whatever but Duke right now, I mean, is steamrolling dudes.

Speaker 1 Like, they are not close. Like, they are just beating.
Their third guy is great Okay,

Speaker 1 you know you've seen Cooper flag right you get Cooper flags like oh, yeah, I saw him in the select thing and the thing on Max I was like yep

Speaker 1 same guy. He's incredible.

Speaker 1 It's gonna be the number one pick maybe the wizards maybe the hornets who knows not the point the point is he's the best player in college basketball right now Duke is churning.

Speaker 1 They're the best Duke team we've seen in maybe 20 years long time.

Speaker 7 It's been a long time maybe

Speaker 1 you know what's better than 50 grand cash

Speaker 1 after Uncle Sam taking his piece, which, you know, we're going to leave him like 30 something. Okay.
You know what's better than that? What's better? 168. What? That's a lot of money.
So maybe hey.

Speaker 1 A lot of money. All of a sudden, Miami Real Estate, you know how it is? So take that money out of it.

Speaker 1 Jessica is saying she doesn't know, and I don't know, and there is a professional way to do this. But what I'm asking all of you is the hypothetical.

Speaker 1 Would you guys hedge that or would you just try and ride it out?

Speaker 1 Because I would assume all of you would hedge it to guarantee yourself an amount of money that doesn't wait for whether or not Cooper Flag, Cooper Flag's ankle goes again, and Duke can win it, obviously, without Cooper Flag.

Speaker 7 Well, I don't know if they can win it without Claude.

Speaker 1 It makes it easier with Cooper Flag.

Speaker 1 I think you have to wait till you get to the final and then just absolutely monster hedge on the other team, right? Because you're still waiting.

Speaker 1 Because right now, you can't just pick Duke or the field for $50,000. I can't take a second mortgage, I HELOC out of my house and then put it on the, on, on the field.

Speaker 1 I do think that because it was a $5 bet from the jump, this changes a lot, right? Like, if it was a huge bet with then a huge payout, maybe you continue to invest.

Speaker 1 But the fact that you only put five bucks on it, it's like ride what that feels like until the end. And maybe, maybe you don't come up with $168,000.
But in the worst case, you lost five bucks.

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 1 you lost $50,000. You didn't lose five bucks.
The worst case is you lost $50,000. What kind of math are you doing?

Speaker 7 Terrible math.

Speaker 5 This is why I was a journalism, Major Dan.

Speaker 1 He couldn't sell it to his wife. That's the issue.

Speaker 7 There you go. Number one, number two.
This is what's giving you that kind of stat of the day.

Speaker 1 Arithmetic. Okay, why is he in charge of the stat of the day if he doesn't know basic math?

Speaker 7 Rook understaff. I was really good at calculus.

Speaker 1 Were you? Yeah, I was great. Yeah, I got a five on the AP exam.
You plus me equals us.

Speaker 7 There it is. 50 grand, Dan.
50 grand's a lot of money.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 168 more.

Speaker 1 What I'm asking you guys is, do you have the confidence in Duke to lose $118,000?

Speaker 1 Do you have the confidence in Duke to bet $118,000 that they're going to win their next four games?

Speaker 7 Tony, got to sell it again. Hold on.

Speaker 1 Again, Cooper Flag. You seen him, Dan.
You saw when they threw him that alley up and he screamed as he dunked. And then he got off and the crow was like,

Speaker 1 is there a cash out option for fifty thousand dollars yeah right now right now he can cash out for a cash out walk but again have you not been listening to this he hasn't he hasn't no because like

Speaker 1 he's he's losing only five actual dollars that he bet that's what i'm saying thank you billy like thank you what he's put into it is five dollars if he cash fifty thousand is what is he giving up the opportunity to take fifty thousand dollars but he's also missing out on the opportunity to win ninety eight thousand a hundred and eight thousand dollars if i can't if a genie showed up now, Billy, and just said to you, hey, I can either give you $50,000 now or we can wait and see if Duke wins and I'll give you $168,000.

Speaker 7 What are you doing? Are you saying, no thanks, Genie? No, I would take it. You take the 50 or you say, I'll hold out.
No, I'll take the 50.

Speaker 1 There you go.

Speaker 7 That's your answer.

Speaker 1 It's easy money, but Tony's talking me into, you know, the 160. By the way, Con Knipple, another guy in the lottery, K2, very good from the outside, but can mix it in with the big boys inside.

Speaker 1 Big body. They got Malouk, who's incredible.
Are you pronouncing those names correctly?

Speaker 1 Conkinipple, a lot of the other guy knows it doesn't seem like kinipple should i but i know it is because i've watched him play but it just doesn't seem i saw people being critical of tony earlier saying he was mispronouncing multiple names on duke not today an earlier cooper flag and con kinipple is exactly how you say it so whoever that guy is dork yeah i want to combine um Spoiler Wednesdays with this current Duke conversation for a moment.

Speaker 5 Did you guys see that, and this is a white Lotus light spoiler, so fast forward if you don't want to know anything about the most...

Speaker 1 Spoiler Wednesday. I thought we were allowed to do whatever we wanted to do.
I'm still getting the spoiler alert.

Speaker 5 Duke was not happy with the usage of their trademark in the most recent episode of the White Lotus, and they released a statement saying, The White Lotus not only uses our brand without permission, but in our view, uses it on imagery that is troubling, does not reflect our values or who we are, and simply goes too far.

Speaker 5 And then they further talked about, you know, suicide awareness and things like that. But I want to know who the Duke person is that Mike White, the creator of White Lotus, hates.
Because

Speaker 5 the usage of Duke in the last episode is something that, if you haven't seen it on social media yet, is going to become a meme for our times. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, let's take this to the poll. Do you believe that Duke will win four games? Yes or no?

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Speaker 1 Enjoy responsibly, 210. Can we also put on the poll, are you losing $5 or $50,000?

Speaker 5 You guys don't like that Duke is pissed that they're in a funny meme now?

Speaker 7 I love it. I love it.
But also, I'm not fond of Duke. That's why.

Speaker 1 He just really hates Greg Brown.

Speaker 1 That's why it's funny.

Speaker 7 Dude, that's an interesting question. Who is the person? It's Christian Leitner.

Speaker 1 You think so?

Speaker 1 It could be Mason Allen.

Speaker 1 No, it's J.J. Reddick.

Speaker 7 J.J. Reddick is another good one.

Speaker 1 We already had this conversation. Those are the three Mount Rushmore guys at Duke.
I don't know who's number four on Annoying Guy. Annoying.
The secret sauce.

Speaker 1 Is it Shane Baddy Age?

Speaker 7 Shane Badier.

Speaker 5 I mean, does Coach K count?

Speaker 1 He does. Of course he does.
All right, let's make that fourth spot.

Speaker 5 So wait, Mike White's 54. I thought he was a little younger, so it probably is Christian Leightner.

Speaker 7 Yeah, Christian Leitner.

Speaker 1 So we have on the Mount Rushmore of most annoying Duke players ever, because if what you're telling me, like, man, Cooper Flag, Boston's going to really want him.

Speaker 1 So is Utah. Oh, Utah.
Utah. Utah is elevated now.

Speaker 1 Danny Hinge left everything Boston to go, I'll build you out here. I'll build you out here with Cooper Flag in Utah.

Speaker 7 So you know the Vince McMahon meme of like, he's going and he's leaning back. Oh, that's Utah, right? The first one is like, what if I gave you Lori Marketing? Oh, that's pretty interesting.

Speaker 7 Then the next one is like, Walker Kressler.

Speaker 1 What if you walk Tressler?

Speaker 7 And then the third one is, what if I give you Philipowski?

Speaker 1 Oh, and then the fourth one, Cooper Flag.

Speaker 1 The laser shooting out of his eyes.

Speaker 7 That's how it goes for Utah.

Speaker 1 Well, you guys are saying, you have to understand, okay? So you've got John Skipper and David Sampson asking the question, how do we pay these people?

Speaker 1 And what does it mean if Duke, we're all watching Duke and we're like, whoa, them in Florida, they look a lot better than everybody else. This is pronounced.

Speaker 1 This looks like they're, maybe, yeah, maybe, maybe somehow Calapari can sneak some Calapari magic in somewhere. But we're watching,

Speaker 1 you tell me if there's a third team that belongs in here because Duke and Florida to me look like they're a level above professional,

Speaker 1 between professional basketball and what's now minor league basketball. They seem to be a good deal better.

Speaker 1 So if I make Duke better at recruiting and better at money than everyone when I'm walking around now doing the absurd thing of saying, yeah, your roster costs 20 million.

Speaker 1 That's what it costs in college football. You got to have $20 million.

Speaker 1 If Duke gets all of the winning and they have a monopoly on annoying guys right throughout history, there's no other school. Is there another school that you assign even two?

Speaker 1 annoying guys to for a Mount Rushmore in the history of college basketball. Is there another school that you would say, I've got two Mount Rushmore America hated this person?

Speaker 1 When you're talking about everything that Duke represents, all of of it, Reddick, Grayson Allen, and Christian Leitner are all-time hated players.

Speaker 1 I don't even know if we can make those anywhere outside of Duke anymore.

Speaker 1 Like an all-time hated player because of the school you're at, because we know you're good, because you're arrogant, because you think you're better than everyone, and you slap the court on defense.

Speaker 1 I hate that.

Speaker 1 Wojo. Oh, you play defense.

Speaker 7 Woojo's a good one. Woojo should be on that mountain.

Speaker 5 If we're going with coaches, that's a different story because I think Dan Hurley has arrived.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 7 He's way worse than Coach K.

Speaker 7 Way, like, way more polarizing than Coach K for sure. I think coaches, actually, there's a conversation.
Petino, people didn't like Petino. Coach Cow, people really didn't like Coach Cal.

Speaker 7 Cobby Knight, obviously. Bobby Knight.

Speaker 1 No, it's easy with coaches. No, I'm talking about players.

Speaker 1 I'm asking America to give me the program that's got a player that you recoil with the three I just named. With that guy just annoys me.

Speaker 1 It's not even, it's not because he's, it's not because he's a bad person. It's just, it's your face.
It's your face.

Speaker 7 I'm going to, it's, this is going to lose perhaps a shipping container, Dan, but Indiana and Steve Alford, people really didn't like that dude, man.

Speaker 1 The 5-5.

Speaker 1 Oh, it was their shorts.

Speaker 1 More than the shorts.

Speaker 1 Their shoes.

Speaker 5 You saw the story about UConn threatening the reporter who posted the video of Dan Hurley, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 5 I mean, that's some like

Speaker 7 Bobby Mullen, the SID over at Yukon, which I love. He threatened them.
He said, I will end you, right?

Speaker 1 He said, I will ruin you. I will ruin you.

Speaker 7 And then they come out with the statement afterward, and he said,

Speaker 7 New at six, SID threatens reporter, or whatever. I'm like, guy, you can't start your apology with shtick, or can you? He did, and I thought it was glorious.

Speaker 1 Really quick, really quick. I mean, I have a question because you talked about Utah and Walker Kessler, Maury Markinen, Cooper Flag, possibly possibly Filipowski.

Speaker 1 Could they field an all-white starting lineup?

Speaker 7 I'm glad you asked that because just the other night in Los Angeles, the Bulls fielded an all-white lineup.

Speaker 1 They scored 150 with an all-white lineup

Speaker 1 on Luke and that team is so good. They're fun.
Yeah, they're fun.

Speaker 7 So we revealed this on Basketball Illuminati the other day, and it was, I was, I was like, is that right? No, I don't even think they have five white players, but nope, it was right.

Speaker 7 They had five whites on the floor. It was Matas Buzelis.

Speaker 1 Who's not bad, by the way? They're giving him minutes. He's pretty good.
He's looking good.

Speaker 5 I just realized the joke.

Speaker 7 Thank you. It was Matas Buzelis.
It was.

Speaker 1 Sounds like Buckeye.

Speaker 1 What happened there? I was looking for the white guys. What'd you say?

Speaker 1 Who's been playing Doc and Kevin Herter, Kevin Herter, Vucevich,

Speaker 7 and Kobe White.

Speaker 1 Five whites. Five whites, and one of them actually named White.
There you go. Well, Well, that one.

Speaker 7 Poor White's.

Speaker 1 Oh, I thought. Wait, no, I don't know.
Forgive me. I was going to trade for Derek White.

Speaker 7 Oh, no, Kobe White's already there. Yeah, we didn't need him.
But Boston could counter with Porzingas, Luke Cornette, Pritchard, Pritchard, Hauser, and Derek White. White versus White?

Speaker 7 That would be the great NBA Finals ratings, right?

Speaker 1 Can I just examine for a second? I simply want to examine an sid

Speaker 1 a sports information director so this is somebody who is working in communications

Speaker 1 who uh their job is to disseminate sports information do you realize how great a threat it is to be able to shout at someone I will ruin you.

Speaker 1 To shut the confidence you have to have to shout something like that in public and the rage that you have to have to shout something like that at somebody, at a a journalist.

Speaker 7 So I know of some journalists who have yelled stuff like that.

Speaker 5 I can't think of a single SID that I know in real life that would

Speaker 5 like fly off the handle like this.

Speaker 5 Like the job of the SID is also to make the team look good and to like make the players look good to have media relations where they're like, hey, we're the good guys here.

Speaker 5 We didn't do anything wrong. And he's like, I'll ruin you for posting a thing that actually happened that we all heard.

Speaker 1 When your job is to disseminate sports information that you don't want disseminated.

Speaker 7 That's why I love his apology because it starts with the sarcastic new at six. SID gets angry at Reporter for saying something.
That's how he started his apology.

Speaker 7 Like, I went off the handle a little bit, but first, some shtick. It's so good, though, that I'll ruin you.

Speaker 1 Hurley is, and gosh, I love when these coaches are content machines.

Speaker 1 His arrogance is earned. Of course.
And he knows it. Like, he speaks it, he yells it at referees.

Speaker 1 And and it's I'm stunned to see it because Belichick didn't behave that way.

Speaker 1 Like, there have been people who have been as great as he is, and he descends from coaching, so he really like his whole story crafted by Woge and a basketball family of how it is that they rule basketball in the Northeast because they teach it better, they have respect.

Speaker 1 The Hurleys have respect. Oh, Hurley's a good Duke-hated guy.
There you go. That's a perception.

Speaker 1 His brother is a good Duke-hated guy. The Hurley name feels like it's basketball royalty

Speaker 1 in the Northeast, where they celebrate the white.

Speaker 1 There's no other point I wanted to make.

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