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The numbers that I am about to share are really hard believe.

When I saw them yesterday,

I found them shocking.

But I want you to close your eyes for a second and imagine

that you're standing on a dock.

You're standing somewhere on the East Coast, the Atlantic, but you're in the 1800s.

The sun is setting

and casting an orange glow across the water

as you stare at a massive ship that is coming your way.

Around you, there's a crowd of people, each one holding on to what little they brought from their home country.

And you're amongst these people who are welcoming friends, neighbors, and countrymen.

Some are from Germany, some are from Ireland, Poland, Italy, from all over the world.

They don't speak the same language, they don't eat the same food,

and they don't share the same customs.

They separated themselves while they were on the ship.

But all of these people, with all of their differences, all the things that have kept them apart from one another in their own countries have one thing common.

They're all headed to America.

Why?

What was it that brought so many people from so many different places to America?

What did they see in America that made them leave behind everything they knew, their homes, their families, their identities?

Some of them left their names.

Perhaps we should ask this question

today.

How did we become a country of e pluribus utum?

Out of many,

one.

I'm going to come back to that, but

let me give you the tales on the numbers that I saw yesterday, because they tell us something very important about where we are as a country.

Over 28% of Americans, 28%,

and an even higher percentage of Democrats, 35%,

believe the country would have been better off if a sitting president, Donald Trump, had been assassinated.

35%

of Democrats, 28%

of all of us.

I just, I want to talk to you about this and please listen

and don't think of Donald Trump because this isn't about his policies or his personality.

Is he a polarizing figure?

Yes.

This is, however, about something much deeper, something much more dangerous that is brewing in our country right now.

It is about the fabric of our democracy being stretched thinner and thinner and thinner.

The fact that more than a quarter of Americans who live in this country,

founded on the principle of peaceful power transfers,

could think that violence, the assassination of a leader, is the way to improve our nation.

What does that tell you?

It tells you that many of us do not hold certain things self-evident anymore.

It tells us how fragmented we've become.

All right, let's all of us, left and right, take a deep breath and walk back a step.

Because this is not the first time that America has faced division.

It's not the first time we've experienced anger and disagreement.

Let's go back to 1963.

Wow, what a horrible time that was.

Civil rights marches, the Cold War, nuclear threats.

People were angry, they were terrified, and deeply divided.

Sound familiar?

The deep state with J.

Edgar Hoover and the CIA were

possibly plotting to kill the president.

And yet when President John F.

Kennedy was assassinated on that November day in Dallas, no one in this country celebrated.

No one.

No one was thinking, well, we're better off now.

It was grief.

Deep national grief.

Because it wasn't about the loss for Kennedy, and it certainly wasn't a loss for Kennedy's supporters or his political party.

That's not what it was about.

It was a loss for America.

The whole nation stopped and mourned.

Why?

Because at the end of the day, despite all of our disagreements,

we still believed in the American idea.

We believed in our republic.

We believed in democracy.

We believed in the peaceful transfer of power.

We still had faith in our institutions.

Kennedy's death wasn't a victory for anyone.

It was a tragedy for everyone.

And that, my dear friend,

is where the story starts to change.

Because here's the kicker.

We don't feel that way anymore.

Today we're living in a different world, a different America, where political differences aren't just disagreements anymore.

They are hardened battle lines.

In the 1960s people were divided.

Sure, they were.

We still had a shared identity, however, as Americans.

We still all believed in the Bill of Rights.

Well, now it's not just about policy or ideas anymore.

It's identity.

People just disagree with each other.

They see each other as enemies.

One side thinks the other is destroying the country and the other side thinks that side is destroying the country.

And when that happens, when we start seeing our fellow Americans as existential threats,

it becomes much easier to justify extreme violence.

Suddenly, violence, even assassination, starts to look like a solution to some.

That's a sign of insanity.

I mean, if you want a civilization.

So how did we get here?

What changed?

Well, it didn't happen overnight.

There are three major reasons why we're seeing this level of division, and really they're all connected.

The polarization has deepened.

Our political polarization has reached an all-time high.

Why?

Because we don't teach what united us anymore.

Back in the days of Kennedy, people had fierce disagreements.

There were fights over the civil rights, the Cold War, nuclear weapons, all the really big stuff that's happening yet today, but we're not really talking about those things.

But despite all of those in the 1960s, there was still a common ground, a belief in the idea of America, of working together to solve problems.

People could still sit down at the table and have a heated argument and still walk away knowing that they were in this together because we were all Americans.

You see, the hippie movement hadn't really started yet.

The tear down America.

America sucks.

America has never been any good.

That's not what Martin Luther King taught.

Martin Luther King taught, you haven't lived up to those ideals and those promises.

America, I challenge you to do that.

But

have you heard anybody really talk about that lately?

Now the common ground, that common ground, that beachhead that Martin Luther King was standing on, has all but disappeared.

We've retreated into our own camps, and you see it everywhere.

It's not just policy differences anymore, it's tribalism, because we've all, through fear, gone back into our lizard brain.

People today are more loyal to their political team than they are to one another, or certainly than they are to our country.

And we don't just disagree, we demonize.

And that demonization,

it's dangerous.

It opens the door for people to see their opponents as less than human, as enemies that must be destroyed.

And when you start seeing people as enemies, you start thinking about extreme solutions because something's got to be done.

The second reason this is happening is the erosion of trust in institutions.

So here's another big piece of the puzzle.

We don't trust our institutions.

It used to be that people had faith, faith in the system.

It was flawed, we knew that, but it was still working kind of for the good of the country, and we were trying to fix it and make it better.

Back in the 1960s, most Americans trusted the government.

It was a mistake.

But they trusted the government.

The media they trusted.

Even the presidency, despite their political disagreements.

I remember talking about Bill Clinton, and somebody said, I could never shake his hand.

And I said, I would shake his hand.

He's the president of the United States.

I respect the office.

Now, over the decades, that's all gone.

Watergate, Vietnam, the Iraq War, financial crisis, one scandal after another, yelling and bickering, and nobody getting anything done, lying to the American people when they're running.

It's just chipped away at our faith in the system.

And the result?

Well,

more often than not, people now seem the system is beyond repair, and so we have to start all over and throw all of it out.

They've lost hope in the democratic solutions.

Boy, Stalin must be so happy today.

You see, when you lose faith in the process, that's when radical ideas, violence, starts to seem like a viable alternative.

We have to do something.

And when you feel like voting doesn't matter anymore, like democracy itself is broken, that I can't cast a ballot and have it even count, the idea of resetting things through assassination or violence starts to creep in for some.

Now that's a scary thought.

But let me throw a wild card in.

The new wildcard of social media that accelerates everything.

This wasn't around back in the Kennedy years.

Back Back then, people got their news from a few TV networks and newspapers.

We all operated in the same public square.

Today, there is no mass of America.

There's no mass audience anymore.

It's totally different.

Social media and the fragmentation of our media has created a landscape where people are more isolated than ever before.

Isolated in their own digital bubble, in an echo chamber that just reinforces their worldview no matter how extreme.

Algorithms Algorithms feed us more of what we already believe, more of what we're angry about.

The more sensational, the more divisive, the better, right?

And this amplification of extreme views has allowed conspiracy theories, misinformation, radicalization to spread like wildfire and much of it coming from our government itself.

We're not just disagreeing anymore.

We're being radicalized.

When Hillary Clinton, a former presidential candidate and and a first lady, says that if you disagree with her version of misinformation,

if you are a purveyor of misinformation as she deems the truth, you should go to jail.

Ideas that would

have been way fringe in Kennedy's time.

Now they're just a viral click away.

And the worst part, it normalizes violent rhetoric.

It makes assassination or violence seem to some like a logical conclusion.

I mean, we're living in a violent world now, right?

What's going to stop it?

Who's going to stop it?

Well, here's where the story takes a turn,

because there is hope.

The fact that over 28% of Americans, 35 total, believe, sorry, 35 of Democrats that believe an assassination would improve the country is disturbing.

It is a death knell,

but it is also a wake-up call.

It's a signal that something is wrong.

But it is not the end of our story.

In fact, it might be the beginning of something really, really good, a chance for us to turn things around.

Because here's the truth.

We've been here before.

We've been divided.

We've been angry.

We've been scared.

We've even been at war with each other.

And every time we found a way through, this time is no different.

But it's going to take effort for all of us, including you and me.

It's going to take all of us, no matter where you stand politically, to recognize that we're part of the same country.

We're part of the same American story.

And if we want that story to continue to be written, then we must restore civility.

We have to start talking to each other again, not shouting, not attacking, but actually talking, engaging in real conversations where we actually listen to one another.

And that's not easy because we're all angry, I get it.

But if we don't start talking, we are never going to find our way out of this.

We also need to return to civic education.

A lot of people don't understand how our republic even works or why it's important.

We need to invest in teaching our kids and adults, frankly, how the system works and why it is so worth saving.

When people understand truly what's at stake, they are less likely to believe that violence is a solution.

And then we need to rebuild trust in one another.

And that is not easy.

But it starts with accountability, with transparency, with leaders who put our country over party.

And it's not going to happen overnight, but step by step, we can rebuild that trust if

we are together.

Here's the bottom line.

Those numbers, 28%, alarming.

But they're also an opportunity for us to step up, to take good, hard looks at where we are and decide to do something about it.

Because the America I know doesn't celebrate violence.

We don't wish harm on our leaders, no matter how much we might disagree with them.

And if we want to save our republic, we have to take a step back.

We have to take a deep breath.

We need to recommit ourselves to the principles that have always made our country great: decency, civility, respect.

The truth is, there is hope.

There is always hope.

But it is up to us to choose.

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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

I wanted to bring Brett Weinstein on.

He's an evolutionary biologist, co-host of Dark Horse, the podcast.

He is also one of the founding members of the team putting together Join the Resistance.

And you can find out all the information at jointheresistance.org forward slash donate.

It's September 29th in Washington, so that is a week from this weekend.

I know how you probably feel about going to Washington, kind of the same way I feel about going to Washington, but I am doing my best to clear my schedule and be there just to stand in the crowd with everybody else because I think this is really, really important.

Brett, welcome to the program.

Thanks so much.

It's great to be with you.

One minor correction.

The website is jointheresistance.org.

The name of the event is Rescue the Republic.

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Yep, Rescue the Republic.

So tell me what Rescue the Republic is

for people who don't know.

Rescue the Republic is more than an event.

It is really, in my opinion, the first meeting of the vast unity coalition that is forming in large measure in response to the tyranny that is clearly unfolding and planned by what I call the blue team.

I'm embarrassed to say that's the party to which I still belong, the Democratic Party, which has obviously gone rogue and opposes all of the values that

are foundational to the West.

So

many of us across the political spectrum have recognized this hazard and are putting aside our political and ideological differences in order to protect this civilization, which has been so good to us, and to stave off the disaster that will unfold if

it is destroyed.

So, Brett, I mean, what, eight years ago, you and I wouldn't have been talking, I don't think.

We would have seen each other in the opposite camp.

What is it that, I know what brought you out of that and decided to say,

you know,

I need to stand on my own here because some things don't make sense and they're not right.

But what turned you?

What was the turning point for you to say,

this,

my own party is so dangerous to the Republic that

I have to sign up and be on the side of Donald Trump?

Well, it wasn't one thing.

It's a consistent pattern of hostility to the things that make the West so productive, vibrant, and innovative.

And, you know, any one of those things could be just myopia of some sort.

But the consistent pattern suggests that we are under the control of people who do not value the system for what it is capable of and find the rights that we are guaranteed by our Constitution galling.

So I can't stand by and watch that happen.

I have children.

I love them.

They need to have a nation and a world that is livable, one in which they are not seen

as a host to some parasitic force, but they are understood to be citizens with rights.

So

in light of what we are up against, what possible difference could there be between us that would matter?

How do you talk to people?

Because you must hear it all the time.

You must hear from people who say,

you know, things, crazy things like, you're a traitor.

How could you possibly do that?

I mean, Donald Trump is out of his mind crazy and he's a danger and we're all going to be in shackles and chains.

How do you talk to those people and

get them to see the

hypnosis in some ways that they're under.

Well, I have

a couple different approaches, but I would say the key thing is to recognize that this is a kind of hypnosis of some sort.

And I believe that literally, which means that the people that you're talking to who say that,

nine out of ten of them, maybe 99 out of 100, are victims of something that they don't understand.

They don't see it.

And the way to reach them is incrementally.

The first job is always to let them see your humanity and let them understand that you know what it is that they feel

and that you're concerned about it too.

And what you want is to leave them with the question, if the person I'm sitting across from sounds reasonable to me, they don't sound crazy, they don't sound like they have bizarre objectives or values, how could they possibly have reached such a different conclusion about what we must do now?

That's the question to leave them with.

And then when you return, hopefully they will be curious.

They will have questions about how you could possibly be doing something that in their mind is the height of insanity.

And that's a conversation that most people can have.

You'd be surprised if you can break through the first layer and get past the instinct to either avoid the topic or shut down the counter arguments, there's a lot of room to discuss where we are and where we should be headed.

So we're running out of time.

What do we have?

50 days before the election?

That's about right.

Yeah.

We are running out of time.

And I've had really great hope.

I mean, you know, you look at the people who are coming to rescue the Republic.

It's

Bobby Kennedy and it's Tulsi Gabbard.

You're going to be there.

Russell Brand is going to be there.

Charlie Kirk is going to be there.

I mean,

it's a lot of very different people.

Some of the best doctors are going to be there.

Some of the best people on economics is they're going to be speaking.

Very short bursts from everybody on all of the things that are being violated and

how we have to fix it.

How do we do this in 50 days?

Well,

it's obviously a heavy lift, but it's also easier than you would imagine.

And

I'm not sure how to make this point to people, but all of the political analyses about the election are inherently wrong if they calculate what the race is going to look like on election day based on what we think of as voters.

Because there is a huge collection of people who are not voting.

Some of them don't vote because they're tuned out.

There's nothing to be done in 50 days about those people.

But a huge fraction are actually not voting because they're fed up.

Those people can come off the bench, and if they do so in significant numbers, they can swing any election.

So from my perspective, as somebody who has frankly thought it wise to vote against both parties in almost all of the elections that have taken place for president in my lifetime, this is not the moment to do that, and it is certainly not the moment to sit out of the election.

This is the moment to come off the bench and to stand up for the values that make our marvelous nation possible.

If we can get people to recognize that, we can actually make a decisive enough victory that it can overcome what is presumably the margin with which the blue team is capable of cheating.

You know, Elon Musk has said repeatedly now that he feels this is pretty much it.

Western civilization is at stake this time.

Now, that sounds like hyperbole to a lot of people, but on September 11th, you know,

2001, we...

We all instinctively knew that.

When we were hit that day, we all thought, oh my gosh, this thing is fragile.

It could come apart at any minute.

And

what they were trying to do on 9-11 could be done at the ballot box this time and

destroy not just America, but the entire Western world.

How do you convince people that

that's not hyperbole?

Because most people don't believe that could ever happen.

Yes, I truly believe it's not hyperbole.

And in fact, I believe that we are being slowed down in our recognition that it is actually an ongoing process.

What we are living through is the looting of our system.

The resources are being drained out of it because

those who are orchestrating this understand that they are pulling the plug.

So we need to wake up faster that all of this money printing is not the result of foolishness.

This is the end game.

The same can be said of the bubbles that we see in our markets.

And the fact that they have come up with rationalizations for eliminating our most fundamental right, the freedom of speech, tells you that this is the end of the process.

This is the point at which they do not want us to be able to talk about what they're doing because it's going to go on fast forward.

So I don't think Elon is being hyperbolic at all.

I think he's right on target.

I do too.

And I'm so glad to see people that are

open-minded

and

generally don't

vote the same way I do, come to the same conclusion and understand where we are.

So tell me a little bit about the event on September 29th in Washington.

So the event is a free event.

We are hoping for a very large turnout for a couple of different reasons.

One reason is that it will make it obvious that the support for this new unity coalition is tremendous, and that will make it very hard to sell the story that Kamala Paris has been swept to victory by a wave of support.

The other reason, though, is that seeing people, flesh and blood people, gathering across political differences,

putting ideology aside, is going to be meaningful to the large number of people who are debating in their own minds whether or not to vote or to sit this one out.

We need to motivate them, and motivating them in large numbers will do two things.

One, it will make it possible to win this election decisively, and two, it will make the point to the new administration that really governing from this vast storehouse of talent and insight that exists in the Unity Coalition is the right way to accomplish the job.

This needs to be a new era in which, frankly, the Republican

new Democratic Party is removed from power.

I'm sorry,

you cut out the last sentence or so.

What did you say?

I said

that if we get a large turnout, that this will make the point that this unity coalition, which contains so much talent and insight, is the proper team to usher in a new era in which the Republican Party is transformed into something new and the Democratic Party is removed from power.

That is

remarkable.

And I have have to tell you, I'm so excited for Elon Musk and

Robert F.

Kennedy and Tulsi and all of the people now.

We're getting the real

innovative thinkers to join with Trump.

And I think that it promises to be a completely different world

if he takes advantage of it and the American people take advantage of this team that is growing.

Thank you so much.

I want want to encourage you to not only go

to rescue the Republic, it is happening September 29th in Washington, D.C.,

but also, if you can, you can show your support by donating.

This is a very worthy cause.

This is honestly, this is the 9-12 project from

the people we would have said are the other side.

They agree with the principles that we put out.

This is so incredibly hopeful and important.

And I know what it's like to put this together,

especially with the names that they're bringing in.

My gosh, you have everybody under the sun.

They asked me to speak and I was like, no, I think I can just go and listen.

I don't think I need to speak.

RFK Jr., Russell Brand, Tulsi Gabbard, Matt Taibbi, Laura Logan,

everybody.

is going to be there.

If you can donate, please jointheresistance.org slash donate.

Jointheresistance.org/slash donate.

It is critical as the government always makes things more and more expensive as you get closer and closer.

Jointheresistance.org/slash donate, and it's happening next weekend, September 29th, right at the Washington Memorial in Washington, D.C.

Brett, thank you so much.

We'll talk again.

This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Welcome to the program, Carol Roth.

I'm hoping you can make sense and maybe some good news out of what happened yesterday, because I can't find a way to it

because of the history of cutting the interest rate this much.

My first thought was, this is election interference by the Fed.

My second thought was, when did they last do this?

And it didn't lead, neither of those lead to good things.

So what's really going on here, Carol?

Well, first of all, Glen, I just want you to know that I am unburdened by what has been.

And now the

market is in terms of interest rates because we are in a rate-cutting environment.

And I think the important thing to remember is that when we talk about rate heights, rate cuts, anything the Fed's doing, we have to keep it in context.

And the backdrop is that we came out of 15 years of what's called ZERB, zero interest rate policy,

where the interest rates were at or near zero, unprecedented, as well as the Fed putting $9 trillion plus on its balance sheet.

So, this is an unprecedented,

does not have an analog that we can directly compare to.

Not to say that it's not important to go back and look at what's happened historically, but it doesn't mean exactly the same thing.

And cutting 50 basis points or half a percent today is different than when we're cutting it when interest rates are at 2%.

So, I just wanted to put that out.

I also am somebody who, as you know, have said on this program many times that I think the Fed's been way behind the curve.

I think that they went up too high and that they were too slow to cut to begin with.

So we'll put that from a backdrop standpoint.

So how does the market interpret and how should individuals interpret a cut?

Well, there's the potentially the bad and potentially the good.

So we'll walk through both of those real quickly.

So the potential bad is the signal.

When you are saying that the economy is doing amazing and it's just, you know it's ripping along and then to do a very large cut they could have done uh half of that they could have done 25 basis points but to come out after not doing anything and say oh we got to move 50 points can send a signal to say things are not going so well right if you looked at the market yesterday they were not taking the news so great but they went it went up and then when he cut it it went way down and then it went they gave up back all the gains yesterday but today they've had a day to digest it and the market thinks that this is a good thing now the market's not the economy so you know yes but but again after 15 years of zero interest rate policy you know it does make sense for us to get back to what's considered a neutral rate is this a is this a inflationary move though

So that's the question.

So if you think about what the neutral rate is, which is theoretical, we don't know the number, but basically it's the dividing line between policy that is restrictive and policy that is accommodative.

And what we're trying to do is have the Fed have no influence in either direction.

I believe that we are still in that restrictive area.

So bringing it down from, you know, two, four, three-quarters to 5%,

again, is not the same as bringing it down to 2%.

And so I don't think that will cause inflation.

We have to remember, too, again, going back to where I started, companies and individuals had 15 years to take out debt at basically no cost.

This is sitting on companies' balance sheets.

They took every piece that they could.

And consumers right now don't have a lot of runway.

So the idea of a rate cut unleashing massive demand when we've gone to Ford's three-quarters to 5%, I don't see this as something that's going to unleash massive demand.

So here's, here's, I just love your opinion on this.

As a businessman, I know I wouldn't be spending a dime right now on hiring, building,

anything, not a dime, until I see what happens at the election.

And depending on the election, if we go with Harris and we become much more restrictive and harder and more global and everything else, I'm, I mean, then I'm just battening down the hatches.

If Trump gets in, I'd be willing to invest because, all right, good, we've got somebody who understands business.

We can hire some more people, et cetera, et cetera.

I don't see anybody making

those moves rationally, no matter what the interest rate is

at this point.

Do you?

I think that's a logical way to digest it.

I think that in terms of one of your first statements, is this political?

The Biden-Harris administration are going to be pushing out and saying, look, we've got inflation under control.

The Fed said so.

Otherwise, they wouldn't have lowered it and lowered it by so much.

So I think that is the push that they're going out and telling trying to convince people now they've been trying to convince people of things that make absolutely no sense for the last three and a half years so you know if i'm a business person do i go ahead and and make the investments Probably not, but are there some people who might?

You know,

it's a push.

But I do think, you know, the challenge is it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that if you get worried that there is a recession and you create these restrictive

behaviors, that becomes self-fulfilling.

And that's one of the things that we end up worrying about.

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: All right.

So let me just ask you one more thing.

He mentioned

the problem with unemployment.

Unemployment's going on, because you just added 7 to 20 million people to

the country.

I mean, people are saying anecdotally that

and we are, I guess, seeing it in numbers, that the jobs that are being filled are being filled with illegals and not American citizens.

How long can that go on before it's just,

you know, an absolute wreck?

So the way that I've interpreted the economy is I see it as K-shaped.

If you think about the letter K, you have, you know, that one part of the K that goes up and the other part that goes down.

And you have the people who are at the lower end of the K who have been struggling and the people who are at that higher part of the K, the asset holders, the people with the white-collar jobs and the homes who have been doing well.

And you have to remember that what we've been seeing is it really is that higher part of the K that has been pulling the economy along.

So not only do we have those illegals who are coming in and creating drains on everything, right?

They're creating drains on employment, on the national debt, on housing, on everything, but we're also starting to see these cracks in the white collar labor market.

When you hear Amazon saying, oh, we want everybody back in the office, it means that companies now have the power to demand that when they didn't have the power.

And buried in that statement was, oh, we're trying to get rid of some managers.

We've seen more and more layoffs on the tech side.

So if we see that crack from the white collar piece, I think.

at least in the short term, that's going to have the biggest impact on shifting what's going to happen here.

And I think that's what the Fed is signaling.

They're trying to get ahead of.

Whether or not they can do that remains to be seen because usually they're always late.

But it's true, we have a drag on both sides.

We have that drag that's happening on the white collar piece.

And then we have this massive illegal immigration that's putting strains on the system.

And that is going to completely shift things.

And I will say, Glenn, we hear all of these people talking about

technology and AI and how it's going to replace jobs.

If you think that it's going to replace jobs, the jobs that are going to replace are unskilled workers, right?

The person who's making your burrito and Chipotle and the like.

You could possibly make an argument that we do not need any more legal immigration in this country, with the exception of some very high merit-based people at all.

In addition to this, you know, travesty that's happening with the illegal immigration.

So this is going to be, you know, hopefully we can get President Trump in there.

But this needs to be attacked in a serious fashion because it's going to have massive implications for the economy on top of the biggest issue, and it feeds right into it, which is the debt and the deficit spending that continues to grow that debt, the fact that that's unwieldy.

So all of these things are puzzle pieces, but we can't let the noise about a Fed rate cut or what's happening distract us from that big issue.

We need to grow the economy and we need to reduce spending so we can get debt to GDP back to a normalized level and be able to.

save our country.

Carol, thank you.

Appreciate it.

Carol Ross, the author of You Will Own Nothing, former investment banker and

contributor to Blaze and also to this program.

I just love her.

She explains things the way, you know, people like me talk, just regular people.

Carol, thank you so much.

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